Del Bigtree | Vaccine Deception, Big Pharma, & What The Science Really Says

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. But from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation... I'm Greg Carlwood These are the higher side chats. Here we go people from sunny San Diego just trying to stay warm and informed, I'm Greg Carlwood and if you ask me there is no shortage of subjects to focus on in these troubled times. The debt squeeze is getting tighter, the poison issue in consumer products is growing, and the rape and pillage of the planet continues on

01:45 Not to mention that we've been around the block enough to know that our regulatory agencies are completely captured, multinational corporations are insulated from their crimes and the media is little more than their own personal propaganda pusher. So on rare occasions when news does leak out that a company like Johnson & Johnson has had asbestos in its baby powder for five decades, or more and more experts are raising concerns about cell phone radiation. Or the number of vaccines we give to children skyrockets to over 70 in an era where it doesn't seem like a drug manufacturer can make products for adults without harmful side effects let alone our most vulnerable humans using the most invasive delivery system

02:24 What are we to do but ramp up the personal responsibility and keep an ear to the ground for the few who are brave enough to speak out against The Big Machine when confronted with facts? Well, one such brave speaker-outer is today's guest Del Bigtree. The producer of Vaxxed from Cover Up to Catastrophe which I consider the gold standard in vaccine documentaries and he is the only journalist I know who has dedicated the last three plus years specifically to vaccine safety. Del has made one helluva name for himself as both a filmmaker and investigative medical journalist and even won an Emmy for his six years of work on the daytime talk show The Doctors

03:02 He is also the founder of the non-profit informed consent action network and host of a rapidly growing internet talk show, The High Wire boasting over 33 million views to date. And I couldn't be more psyched to have him here. The vigilant vaccine journalist counter propaganda producer and widespread corruption commentator Del my man welcome to the higher side. It's great to be here man that was quite the intro i think you nailed it we could practically just throw an ending on it move on he covered it all Well i try to write you know these are complex things so that get people summarized in the first thirty seconds is tough but well done this is a real pleasure man thank you thank you, i have been a big fan of yours ever since vax came out and two thousand sixteen and i really like what your doing with high wires well. I sometimes think i over focused on vaccine centered episodes and then i see what you're doing and there's just so much more that i learned from your episodes

03:57 I think a good place to start today is to say that one of the big criticisms of vaccine skeptics is that we're not doctors, we're not scientists and were just ignorant and paranoid. Well the reason I like your work so much as that the science, the clinical trials, the published papers this is exactly what you are focused on in the proof is there isn't it? Yeah I think That statement we're not doctors and scientists no i'm a journalist and journalists have been investigating science we investigate the government without presidents when they make mistakes we out warlords one word you know backing them with our government that's what journalists do we get to the bottom of story doesn't matter how well educated you were there still a paper trail of what you've done in that's why i've been investigating

04:46 you know, to say that the anti-vaccine movement as they like to call us is that we're all one similar group. We're actually much more diverse than that I like to call us the vaccine risk awareness movement but if you grab anyone who considers themselves an anti-vaxxer You'll find someone that has read far more science than your average person calls themselves a pro back to her ten just believe the doctors right and they do whatever their doctor says, train that's what you do in that there better educated then you are so don't ask any questions just do what they say.

05:21 What people that are waking up recognizing that is not the way to live and doctors really are not informed either they're being sold products by. advertisements and drug pushers really. I mean, the pharma salespeople come to their office tell them how great something is nobody opposes that statement and the doctor moves forward and sells it to you and vaccines are really no different except that now you have government agencies promoting them so surely they must be good my government says they're great and therefore i'm going to push them on you without any understanding of the science and I mean that. I know it sounds arrogant or something to say that doctors don't know what to talk about when it comes to vaccines but

06:01 The case is that when you're going to be a pediatrician, when you're in school there's like one page in the textbook that talks about vaccinating and all it says is where you put it in the arm or the leg. And then if anyone questions you about it just tell them it's one of the greatest life-saving measures ever created and you're crazy. Okay, I'll give you a little test just the next time you have the pediatrician just ask them say that vaccine You want to get my child today? Whether it's Tdap or flu shot or whatever else they can do for their kid and then if they really start pressuring you, then just tell them you're going to kick him out of your practice if they continue it That's the entire education of vaccination for your pediatricians and they'll say, oh well I could certainly read the no no. No i thought that you went to eight years of school and since there's really only two things you do as a pediatrician-you either inject one of these or you take it out and you give it to your kid so he can get vaccinated. And then you're like okay but what about my kids? What if they don't want to be vaccinated

07:02 multiple versions of these 16 vaccines we give our kids, or you're going to weigh and measure my baby's head. So I'm going to assume that what's in these and they won't be able tell you they can't tell you they would have to read it. And I find that disturbing. I find that disturbing because, you know, we hold them on a pedestal as you open this up. Why would I question the doctor? We put them up on this pedestal was though there are these brilliant geniuses in the eight years of school overrides any of my own intuition But if I go to a restaurant, if I go to the local restaurant and I have an allergy. I can ask the waiter and the waiter can tell me every single ingredient in it And if not the waiter certainly the cook back in the kitchen So If I go to a pediatrician say I'd like to know what's in this In case my child has an allergy and they cant do it you just

07:51 So that's just the beginning of this discussion and it's unfortunate. As you pointed out, I was a producer on the daytime talks to doctors. I've been celebrating the greatest doctors in the world and I love great doctors and I love great medicine cutting edge techniques brilliant surgeries. I am pro science but as he pointed out in the last three years have looked at nothing but investigating

08:31 reading the studies that they're pointing to when they tell us that vaccines are safe. And I am telling you, that science is deplorable. Well said and you're right the way the system is set up is very telling people think they know and they don't, and really there's a great analogy in the restaurant because there's a major difference between the cook who makes the food and the server who gives it to you if the cook put something in the food differently that night. The server would have no idea they were just keep telling me about how great their restaurant is and how good their Yelp review is and how excellent the food is. And they really don't know so a pediatrician, we think of them as the scientists but they definitely aren't and I'm sure you're constantly getting into conversations about the vaccine issue to the point that you've got your best arguments down. You know what to say to cut through the propaganda and get people's mental wheels turning? And I think that's what people need good arguments to push these conversations forward

09:32 What are some of the first points you make to pro-vaxxers? You know, a lot of people here probably heard the arguments but we still struggle with our network and expanding the information to friends and family. So what are some of those first things you say to people?" Yes a great question the truth is it's getting harder and harder to narrow down i could speak for six hours on this topic and never stop wanting to sign so i still try to remember that whoever i'm talking to you is brand new with this they are defending of belief system. almost like a religion and you have to remember that. This is not a scientific discussion, people cling to this idea I mean i think that vaccines are unlike any issue I've ever covered as a journalist. I've gone out and done man on the street interviews for most of my career but vaccines the only issue you can stop almost anyone on the street and they are going to have a very intense

10:26 and Everybody says they're safe and therefore they are. But I'll tell you how, I talk to a lot of politicians. And I travel around trying to talk to politicians that want to take our right to exempt out-of vaccines away and so I always start the conversation very similarly. I will say to a politician just out of curiosity would you mandate penicillin on every person that gets an infection in your state?

11:07 They're always intelligent enough to say, well no I wouldn't. And I say why? And they said well because some people are allergic to penicillin and they could die. I said interesting right! Well that's true and i'm glad you said that. You do recognize that the pharmaceutical industry has actually never created a drug or product that won't kill somebody there is always an allergic reaction for some subset of people no matter what the drug is and vaccines are no different. You know, vaccines are pharmaceutical products and they too have allergies and people who will die if they receive them in fact I'll take it one step further they have never found a single piece of food we can feed everybody where someone's not going to happen anaphylactic food allergy and die so

11:52 The conversation I want to have today is not whether vaccines are dangerous or whether vaccines are safe. We know some people will die from vaccines, so the discussion I want to have is how many people being killed by vaccines is acceptable? That's what I want to discuss—is where's the data on that and where is your personal threshold On that because i think it's different for every person some people might be killing one innocent child in america a year is too much in fact i've said often times enlarge audiences at the first time i did was nyu, i was speaking to class and i said let me ask you all the question if there wasn't non profit that was like the number one greatest nonprofit in the world

12:38 fed the poor, it put in sewage where there was dirty river water. It put in clean running water is safe elephants rhinoceroses. It cleaned the air pollution. I mean they do everything. It's the greatest only one thing. Only one little issue is that once a year everybody gets together and they sacrifice one innocent child who would join that nonprofit? And No one in the class raises their hand like that's crazy i would never support killing an innocent child no matter how much good someone does and then i will point out that. Even if you are pretty use seventy seven virgins after life even what is we offered you this mythological idea of herd immunity,

13:25 and you hear the air sort of leave the room. And they recognize that that's exactly what our health departments are doing if you ask any scientist or doctor, if you really drill down on them come on, you have to admit some kids will die from some sort of reaction to the vaccine it happens every year and they say well that's the accepted casualty to achieve herd immunity That's what they say about heads of health department and so that's where we're at so we will kill children a future president or a future scientist to come up with a better product to create immunity will probably die this year because it forced vaccination program so the discussion has to be how many kids are willing to kill and where is the data on that and that's where i really like to get this conversation rolling.

14:18 because we have got to be aware. I asked that exact question to a head of the CDC up in Washington, and she said well you know it's an accepted casualty for herd immunity. I said oh okay will you please tell me then since your head of CDC in Washington State here exactly how many children do we believe were gonna kill this year as a part of that casualty? And she said well we don't have any data on that And i said wait a minute i thought you were scientist i thought this was science i thought if you're gonna say it's an accepted casualty should you know what number u are willing to accept, i mean that seems a little reckless to me that you know you can kill some kids we have no idea how many but you say acceptable see you can't have a sliding bar on except the bill casualties.

15:08 So that's where you start seeing the politicians start to lock in and those are the questions I ask my friends. Well, okay because What I think the mistake we make when we start talking about vaccines with our friends and family is, we immediately try to just bulldoze them with all this information that we have. And when was the last time that ever worked on a subject for you? You tune them out, you feel like oh, you're a know-it-all, you're just trying to bully me in this situation. I like to ask questions of the people I'm talking to see where is their line, where are they really feeling comfortable. So then, you know I might say since i'm there let me talk about herd immunity because this is the number one argument that they have. It's the reason they're saying there's literally right now as we speak if your living in America You were watching a destruction of freedom and it's all based on the pharma takeover Of this country Now I know that sounded like conspiracy theory but now I can actually say for real you just had a senate hearing today to try and force a federal push

16:11 to book burning we haven't seen for a very long time in the country that swore it would never do that, would never be that country that is so angry about an opposing thought that is starts burning away your access to it. But herd immunity is what they're selling this entire thing to us on. So here's the science of herd immunity, and I'm gonna destroy it like a magic trick and I've done this in huge audiences if I'm in audience let say 100 people, I was actually in Mississippi

17:01 and agree, let me just make sure I have my math right that measles since measles is the big terrifying black plague of our time even though if we go back to 1960s it was a Brady Bunch episode and we were giggling ourselves stupid when the whole family got the measles because the kid says boy if you get sick he sure can't beat the measles and like yeah they're all playing board games and eating ice cream because that's what measles really

17:41 but we have changed that story. But measles is the big story, so the pharmaceutical industry and the CDC say that you need 95% vaccine uptake in order to achieve herd immunity. You've heard this argument that the growing groups of anti-vaxxers were moving outside of 2 and 3%, it might be 5% in certain areas maybe even 7% are now unvaccinated kindergarten and we've got to get those kindergartners vaccinated, right? That's the whole argument in every news station is being pumped into us ad nauseum. But here's the problem with that The CDC doesn't say that 95% of kindergartners, it doesn't say 95% of kindergarten through 12th grade or kindergarten to college. It's actually 95% of your entire society needs to be up-to-date on their vaccines in order to have herd immunity now

18:35 when I was standing in that room in Mississippi, I brought up a slide. It said here is the CDC's adult schedule? Yes there is one for those that have just heard this for the first time and they are going to start force vaccinating all adults in the next year or two based on that schedule so that's around the corner but On that schedule, it says that you need two more MMR vaccines as an adult if you were born after 1957. Why after 1957? Because anyone before 1957 probably got the measles infection and has the Ferrari of immunity they have lifelong immunity, they never have to worry about it. They can walk into any measles ward in the world and never get the measles but if you've been vaccinated and you got your two vaccines as a kid and now they're talking about third one in college and then two more is an adult, the reason for that is vaccines wear off

19:28 You know the Tdap vaccine looks like it wears off every three years now. They're starting to struggle with why we're having pertussis outbreaks. Measles, at best maybe 10 years and the odd person might have their immunity last for 20 years so I said to this room of over a hundred people health officials since you need two more measles vaccines as adults to be compliant will you please raise your hand if you've had your measles vaccine in the last ten years? You know how many people out of the entire health department and senators and congressmen raised their hand? One. One little old lady raised her hand, and I said there you go! And everyone listening to your program right now can think for themselves gee Dell's right, I can't remember the last time i had a MMR vaccine

20:11 And I've said the politicians they're telling me herd immunity. Well what about herd immunity? Have you had your MMR vaccine in the last 10 years like no and i said then technically you're an anti-vaxxer because you are no longer immune to measles, You need to get another vaccine and so does probably probably 90% of all the adults in America. So that means we're nowhere near 95% herd immunity, we're somewhere probably around 60%. And we've always been there. The only time we might have been better was when we all were getting natural measles. We probably had higher rates of immunity back when everybody was being infected and getting their immunity. So the point being is this

20:49 There has never been the 95%, we've always been somewhere around 60%. We will never get there. Herd immunity is a myth, it's been written by the ad departments of the pharmaceutical industry I've challenged every scientist to prove me wrong they cannot and so this whole thing is a lie And that's the biggest pillar of this entire push to take away your rights as citizens is herd immunity, protecting that immunosuppressed child. And here's what I want to say. I'm not going to advocate that every adult has to go out and get their vaccines now. CDC will believe me you're gonna hear this argument in about a year or two from their own mouths. I'm trying to warn you ahead of time. This is where this is going

21:30 But in the end, no adult is vaccinated. And we don't have some return of polio that the news agencies are trying to tell us to be worried about. We don't have some giant epidemic of deadly killer measles killing people. In fact, no one has died from measles in the last 10 years in America and before that it was like I think seven years earlier one kid and one old man. Before that you can barely find anybody this is not a deadly disease Though they say it's deadly, it's like saying water is deadly to drink. Yeah once in a while you hear stories of someone who drank too much water and died that doesn't mean water is deadly you know? And that sort of exaggerates what's going on so that's where I start let me kill herd immunity right out of the bag for you and then ask somebody what they think about them. What do you have to say about that

22:16 So that's probably where it started to go on and never let you speak for the rest of your two hours when it was another question. Well some people do so i would be used to it but man is all about the gas here cuz you know you guys are the ones who have the information and while we're talking about measles something that, i consider to be pretty radical that i learned from the high wire Is that there apparently are some benefits to having measles not only is the immunity lifelong as opposed to the vaccine which wears off but theirs apparently new data that suggests that the benefits are. Even stronger than that yeah so we know for a fact in fact, we've known this studies throughout years that have shown that if you get a measles infection as a child they did study looking at non hodgkins lymphoma which is one of the most dangerous

23:06 and the measles, had a vaccine or never had a measles infection were 66% more likely to develop non-Hodgkin's lymphoma than those that had had the measles as a child. And then Hodgkin's lymphoma was even greater. You are 333% more likely to develop Hodgkin's lymphoma

23:43 lifting weights. If you don't lift weights, your muscles atrophy if you don't know you've got a tear muscle that's actually what you're doing your tearing muscle when you're lifting weights and then it strengthens and forces the muscles to move forward. So I think there are some things that can be done in terms of weight loss. And one thing is that you have to look at fills in those fibers and you get stronger. Your immune system is similar, if you never tax your immune system as a child, you end up being vulnerable to all sorts of diseases. In fact they looked at heart disease and again they found that if you had both it was even better measles was great but if you had both measles and mumps as a child

24:26 then you had a significant reduction in heart disease and death in your future. Some of the studies showed at least 10% and upwards of 20-30%, but what we know is even if it was 10%. So when we think about saving people from the measles, that immunosuppressed child that might die—and as I pointed out no one's died in ten years—but every year 610,000 people on average in America die of heart disease is the number one cause of death if Having the measles reduce that just 10% You would be saving 60 thousand people a year Just by letting them get the measles. How's that sound for? life-saving measures right well said and I

25:15 We started with that heavy question of how many people dying is an acceptable price to pay. I think it's a really great argument that you made to turn these things on the doctors and scientists themselves but i wanted ask about death in injuries and injury reporting cuz that is the big question, how many people are getting hurt by these shots can you talk to us about the reporting system we have and what happened when harvard looked into this because its pretty shocking It is very shocking and this actually blew me away. We hear all the time that vaccine injuries are, it's one in a million sure it happens but it's very very rare one in a million chance and so I looked into that and so did Bobby Kennedy I worked with a lot

25:56 We had the opportunity to go to the National Institute of Health and speak to all the heads of our immunization program. It was set up by Donald Trump right after Donald Trump had gotten into office, and we asked them how are you capturing the injuries? And we'll talk a little bit about why vaccines aren't safe and how they know they're not safe—they've never done safety studies—but when we talk about this sickness is called the vaccine. And it's a very, very simple thing to do. It's just that you have to get vaccinated and then you can go back into your normal life again. So I think we're going to be seeing more of this in the next couple years or so because the

26:54 the vaccine is causing it. If you read the vaccine insert that the manufacturer puts there, it has this caveat says that any reaction to the vaccine out of the normal or within the time of the vaccine reported to VAERS and then you'll be able look at the data and figure out what's really a good report or not but it should all be reported to VAERS so here's what we know And I use 2016 because that was the last numbers we crunched. In fact, we're just about done crunching through 2018s and then start using newer numbers but they're looking similar. So in 2016 the VAERS system in America alone for one year had 59,117 reported vaccine injuries

27:37 432 of those were deaths after vaccine and you know 10,000 of them were emergency room visits. So already for me 432 deaths sounds really bad that shouldn't be happening And it's a lot more than i think most health professionals recognize because as i said any room full of people won't even join non profit that would kill one innocent child what killing four hundred thirty two so that we know. Be on that though we have a bigger problem helping human services is the one that manages bears and by the way for those people that

28:17 don't understand how the human services is i think it was the mothership of our health department they oversee like below them cdc fda hrsa in a national institute of health so hhs sort of mothership. How many services has done multiple investigations and affairs including one you mentioned by harvard medical school what they asked was How efficient is the various system? Is it capturing what percentage of actual injuries do we think it's capturing and They come back multiple times in Harvard was terrifying because they came back and said It's capturing less than 1% of the total amount of injuries that are happening. Hmm

28:56 One percent. Let's just take one percent that means that there weren't just fifty nine thousand one hundred seventeen reported injuries in 2016 if we're to take health and human services internal review and their word for it Fifty-nine thousand injuries becomes five point nine million vaccine injuries in America in 2016 alone that are reported four hundred thirty two deaths of If we multiply by a hundred say it's one percent becomes forty three thousand deaths in one year from vaccines and ten thousand emergency room visits becomes one million emergency room business now

29:37 This is no way to do science. You shouldn't be extrapolating from a 1% measurement, and I get that. I'm sure there are anomalies in there but what we know is this number has got to be immensely larger than what's being captured there And so one of the things that I look into is, well CDC now knows that. HHS knows that what they do about it? Well at that same time Harvard Medical School was supposed to be trying to automate the Bayer system then we paid a million dollars for a study to see because look if we're the home IBM where the home Microsoft or the home

30:13 Apple and computer learning we got you know i saw robot in the parking lot the other day okay so obviously we have technology that is beyond anything that we need to investigate something like this so they said the harvard let's see if you bring it online lets have bears be an automated system that doesn't wait for the doctors to use it, did a similar reports of injury has put on the computer that can be released immediately puts it up as affairs report. Well when harvard did that for all of their hmo the harbor pilgrim medical group what they found was that thirty five thousand vaccines given there's three thousand injuries meaning ten percent of the people were getting injured by vaccine ten percent. That's much higher than one in a million

30:59 That's not even one in a hundred, that's ten per hundred are being injured. And so they reported that to the CDC and the CDC stopped returning their calls and at end of report says we were supposed automate this but once we reported our findings the CDC stop all communications with us basically throughout the million dollars and has made no effort to automate that system So that shows you that the CDC doesn't want an automated system. They don't want the data being collected because it's bad news for the mantra they've been telling us, that vaccines are safe and effective. Dr. Justin Marchegiani Great breakdown!

31:41 Obviously a lot of people out there have this false sense of security that the tests are being done but when it comes to the mr vaccine something i learned from your documentary is it seems like the only clinical trials were to test the vaccine safety against a group who got a delayed schedule and there's no true control group hpv vaccine similar thing they tested it against the adjuvant alone and even that cause damage but you won't find these cases where we have a true control group getting nothing, and then people getting the full retail vaccine and thats shocking but is true right.

32:18 That's true and that was something that we posed in our meeting at the national institute of health we stared tony falchi right now i have infectious disease who is just on the stand last week in front of congress, add francis collins head of national institute of health we said we cannot find. a double-blind, inert placebo study of a single one of the 16 childhood vaccines. And we've looked in all the manufacturer's data. We've looked on every .gov site where these types of studies are supposed to be shown. Are you hiding them is there a way you can show us these studies because it's very important people need to know whether they have been through safety study and so just some people that are if you don't understand double blind placebo study works this way every drug you take is going through it. So we have a trial drug and

33:09 when that drug, when they want to test it for safety to prove it should be okay to use for people. There'll be like thousands of people enlisted into a study and they sign off on the fact that they will not know whether they got a placebo or the drug and so one half of the group will get the drug. The other half will get if it's a pill, they'll get a sugar pill that'll be painted and look just like the drug or if it's an injection then they will get a saline injection and not be told it's placebo. That's why they call it double blind, no one in the study knows they got it and none of the scientists know which one got which. And this is important because remember this science is only being done

33:48 by the manufacturers themselves. The CDC doesn't do this study, the FDA doesn't do this study we ask the drug maker that is making a product that's gonna make them billions of dollars to be honest with us about how their safety trials went that they did themselves but these double blind studies are supposed to be done and they last for years like Enbrel was like a five year study or Biox was five year some of the studies went on 10 years where one group got the drug and one group got a placebo, and we follow their health for 10 years. And at the end of that we ask very important questions of the computer. We graph it out everyone's loaded in, we still don't know who is who, and we asked who had higher rates of cancer? Who had higher rates of diabetes? Who had higher rates of anaphylactic food allergies or autoimmune issues

34:38 Now, when I worked at the Doctors' Television Show, I was sure that every vaccine was going through this process. I mean, we're talking about about the first dose of COVID-19 and then you have to wait for another dose or two before it's approved for safety. And so, what we did is we took all those questions and we asked them in groups. We had a bunch vaccines are given to perfectly healthy children that have no problem whatsoever. So you have to imagine that it should be even more rigorous, the safety trial I would think because this is a very important step in terms of making sure that we're not just giving them drugs for cancer and then they get sick or die from disease. And so if we can't do that, then what's going on?

35:25 This is something that, you know if there's a side effect on the drug okay but they were dying anyway. I mean they were willing to take their chances but with healthy children I think the bar should be even higher but it's actually lower what we discovered was then most of the vaccines include like hepatitis B vaccine we give today one old babies then instead having a five-to ten year placebo study it had a four day days and say years and say months than say weeks I said days Four days was the trial for safety on that vaccine and there's two versions So the other version really went deep and they went five days with their study I'm not making this up And they never used a placebo. And so we said this to the National Institute of Health and one guy said, oh well We do placebo studies It's just that they're earlier in trials They're in earlier phase 1 and phase 2 not in the phase 3 trials That you're talking about and we said great could you please provide those for us? We'd love to see those

36:23 And then there was quiet. And then another scientist chimed in and said, actually no it's true we don't do placebo studies because it would be unethical But now that's the official statement. We beat on this hard enough I've had several lawsuits against our health departments, which has got them nervous to lie to me anymore of one Lawsuits against the National Institute of Health and Human Services and we just settled suit with the FDA but now if you say it they will now be able to say that there is a vaccine for COVID-19 and that's not true because there are other vaccines out there that have been approved by the FDA and some of those vaccines are being used in the United States

37:03 admit it's true we can't do safety studies on vaccines because would be unethical meaning that look at like Gardasil the HPV vaccine that came out just a few years ago this was a brand new vaccine trying to do something no vaccine had ever done before which was beat cancer they're selling it as the first cancer vaccine because it says it can stop cervical cancer even though there is not a single study that can prove that that would be the case But that vaccine comes along is brand new it has a brand new adjuvant of aluminum that they will not let any scientist in the world look at its new toxic version of aluminum and all sorts of other things.

37:43 Well, you would think that should run against the placebo but it didn't. It was a brand new vaccine and the argument being unethical is we believe this vaccine is so amazing even before its ever been tested for safety that to have a control group of teenagers that don't get this brand new product would just be unfair to them it would be wrong to deny them this great life-saving measure we've never tested for safety, and so they don't do it. And that's their argument for every vaccine." And so what I say to people is okay you can buy into that baloney if you want that it's just unethical to do the studies. It doesn't matter. The point is they haven't been done

38:23 Show your children are a part of the giant experiment i was trying to think how i really get this through somebody and i thought about this the other day if i said you know you're going parachuting for the first time you know you say what has this parachute test for safety say actually no it be unethical to test it for safety. Does that make it safe? Does that make you feel like, oh I could jump out of a plane then. Oh well yeah so it doesn't answer your question So its never been tested and thats the problem we have And to deal with the unethical issue I've already sort of touched on it Remember We do placebo studies when people are dying of a disease We think its ethical to make them wait

39:06 for this new product but it's unethical to make kids that have never had a vaccine for HPV wait five years to see if it actually does any damage or not instead, its ethical. To take 16 vaccines that have never been through a safety study and give them two millions of Americans and people around the world and make them apart the largest humans experiment we've ever seen that Right is very backwards and the truth is if you don't do this studies you can say you knew it was harmful there's no. Paper trail that clearly shows you intended to do harm and so they just kind of obscure by saying well, you know the data isn't we can't do it on ethical

39:53 But it is quite backwards and let's talk about andrew wakefield and back a little bit like i said do you attended your screening in la jolla was super impressed and there still a lot of misconceptions about what he was saying a lot of people have simplified to linking vaccines and autism but the third factors actually the gut biome And I don't hear this discussed as much and only in the last year or so have i really gotten my head around this connection between gut health and neurological issues. Can you break that down for people who might still be unaware of that gut biome component? Yes, first of all when you bring up Andy Wakefield

40:31 Any conversation you try to have with politicians or reporters, I can be pointing out Dr. William Thompson a whistleblower at the CDC has said that they've committed scientific fraud. I can say Dr. Stephen Crailing who worked for Merck has got a lawsuit right now against Merck saying they forced him to manipulate data on the mumps strain Andrew Zimmerman, the leading witness for the government of the United States against parents with autism has just come forward because they've been using his line that there is no mechanism by which a vaccine can cause autism to throw out every person that's in what we call vaccine core. We can get into that later if you make a complaint that you saw your child regressing the vaccine into autism after a vaccine, you'll be thrown out court and they will say well that's

41:19 I was a state's witness in the United States, and I'm not going to lie. I've been there for 20 years now. And I know that it is true that we have an epidemic of autism. five of the most important autism cases because it was going to decide the fate of all future cases. And in the second case, he discovered the mechanism and he went to the Department of Justice lawyers who were the ones defending the government from the lawsuits and said alright I've changed my stance. I've actually discovered that in this case I'm looking at autism can be caused by a vaccine if the child has a pre-existing mitochondrial disorder

42:03 that is the mechanism by which a vaccine can cause autism. Guess what the Department of Justice did? They fired him immediately, they fired him from being the leading witness for the government and said well that's obviously not what we want people to hear but even worse they kept using his previous testimony in every case after that there was no mechanism therefore lying about his scientific perspective so Point being I will make all of those points to a reporter and they will say but Wakefield's been debunked, Wakefield has been debunked as though they're robots. We can point to Dr Chris Exley, Dr Chris Rashaw, Dr Roman Girardi, Dr Zee Binyow all over the world scientists are now coming to conclusion that vaccines can an do cause autism yet all we hear is Dr Andrew Wakefield has been debunked as though it's the only talking point they have in fact he is the longest lasting hit song

42:58 one hit wonder in the pharmaceutical industry. We still talk about Andy Wakefield, so I just want to make that point. So what happened in the study and why? What is the big deal about Dr. Andy Wakefield? Well we've referred it The Lancet Study It's the famous Lancet Study. Lancet as a journal lots of studies are published there but The Lancet Study tends to always refer to this one study in which 12 children were looked at and As Andy tells the story in Baxed I was a gastroenterologist, meaning I studied the gut. He'd written over 170 published papers and studies on Crohn's disease and intestinal health. A mother called him and said, ìI would like you to take a look at my childî

43:45 She said i just read your study on crohn's disease and my son seems that i think he is having pain either is constipated for weeks at a time or yes really violent diarrhea, add one of you look at him now he's autistic. And i noticed all the start when his autism started in any sound i don't know anything about autism must call the wrong doctor should not want to look at his stomach And so Andy agreed to and once he did, multiple parents reached out. So we ended up collecting 12 kids in what's called a case study. Now people will say this was a tiny study that should have never changed science. No one would agree with that more than Andy Wakefield you do not start a hypothesis and then look at 1000 kids. You look at a group small group just to see is there a signal? Is there something there

44:35 was a psychological issue, a neurological issue. Not a physical disease in your body." So that was what they were looking at and there was interesting parts of the study where not only did they look for autism but also looked for other diseases as well. And so this is one of those studies when they would have to do a colonoscopy to investigate the stomachs of the 12 children, a lot of them when they would clear their stomach the day before using the fluids all of sudden many of the mannerisms of autism will disappear. The hand flapping will stop and some of repetitive behaviors just from simply clearing their stomach

45:16 And so that led to this idea that perhaps the gut biome, the stomach is actually affecting whether it's creating autism. They weren't sure but it definitely looked like it was affecting the intensity of the autism huge discovery and that's what the paper reported that there did appear to be specific type of gut disease that went along with autism And where the trouble began was a little parents in the reviews and case study your interviewing every doctor that child to see everything the parents even baby sitters if they have something report on mannerisms of the child it's all collected in the case study did you get the most thorough understanding what's going on with these twelve kids and eight twelve parents said, that their child autism started right after the mr backseat.

46:08 And so in the study it says near the end that eight of the twelve parents had claimed that the mmr vaccine they believe because their child's autism. It said this paper does not prove a causal connection between the mmr vaccine and autism more studies need to be done on that matter. That was the entire intense statement that Andy made, which was 8 of the 12 complained about it. I'm not going to say its proof that its happening but I would say we should probably investigate this and thats what started a firestorm. The idea that a vaccine could cause autism now by the way it wasn't totally surprising that it would be an issue because

46:51 What we look at the study we act like Andy did it by himself you hear the fraudulent doctor that fraudulently did this study and made up information None of which by the way has ever been proved and we can talk about that if you want to really get in the weeds But so Andy had 12 other scientists working with him on this study. The tops in the field a top gastroenterologist In fact, Andy didn't do any of the colonoscopies or any of the studies he stood there with a clipboard just reporting what the scientists and doctors that were working with the children were finding And those doctors sat Andy down and said, I don't know if we should put this part about the eight parents claiming the MMR vaccine caused the issue. And they said it's going to cause problems for school. We get a lot of funding from the pharmaceutical industry and the health department is gonna get pissed off. And Andy said well let me ask you all a question then because this is really about ethics then

47:41 If the eight parents had said the autism started right after they had a natural measles infection, would we write that into our study? And all the scientists said of course we would. And he said okay so then what you're telling me is the only reason we wouldn't write that vaccines do it is because we're worried the pharmaceutical industry would have power and somehow we'd have to protect them Is that doesn't sound ethical to me and they all agreed and let Andy put it in the paper now i want to make one point here you had twelve top scientists in the world there expressing concern of the heat that was going to come down over this statement by eight of the parents sat down about.

48:26 Now, if Andy was going to commit scientific fraud and somehow slip false data the data that these scientists had provided and they all signed their name to this study. Maybe I would guess that scientists are pretty keen on reading every single word of a study before they sign their name to it but how about 12 scientists who knew that they were gonna come under pressure because of this vaccine issue? I assure you, those 12 scientists must have combed through that thing like no study that's ever been done. And Andy said that was the case. He had to rewrite it five times to make them all happy. So this idea that Andy somehow

49:08 Manipulate the study under the nose of twelve the best scientist in the world were already paranoid that is what started me on this journey when i first heard about him like that can't be possible you are saying he's not just a fraudulent scientist and. You must be one of the greatest diabolical minds in the history of mankind that could manipulate the minds of twelve top scientists, I met him i assure you that is not the case what happened was a hit job who's a hit job by our health department in the UK and it was a hit job by the general medical council

49:44 They had to ruin and the way they did it is you will hear that he was a fraud he proved manipulated data. He didn't lose his license the general medical council had a long case against him in the other lead scientist professor john walker smith but they didn't lose their license for fraud or manipulating data, they lost their license for medical malpractice. And what it came down to and the reason I had the details on this and anyone can read this themselves is because John Walker Smith the other guy who lost his license won it back a couple years ago because he appealed from multiple years and got into our real courtroom and the judge wrote in 80 page

50:27 beat down of the General Medical Council saying this is the worst handled case I've ever seen and the General Medical Council has no jurisdiction or ability to properly handle this case. There were so many problems with how it was handled but what is laid out is exactly what I'm going to tell you they lost their license for malpractice because what was determined was that there's either a clinical investigation or medical research ok so those two terms decided the fate of these doctors and this is why it came down to did they need ethical approval to do colonoscopies in spinal taps on the twelve children you'll hear it really put an ugly way that's a handy weight field

51:13 abused handicapped children and did invasive procedures as though a colonoscopy is an invasive procedure. You have to remember these 12 kids all had intestinal problems, so the only way to look at it is a colonoscopy but they want to make it sound as ugly as they can but here's what it comes down too They didn't get ethical approval to do those and they lost their license because of it. Now, the question you have to ask yourself is was it ethical? And this is what the judge looked at so there's two terms You either have medical research or clinical investigation Now in clinical investigation, it's what your doctor does. If you come into your doctor and they decide to do a colonoscopy on you and a spinal tap, they're doing that for your health. They're trying to make you healthier. That's clinical investigation. And if that's what you're doing, you don't need ethical approval but medical research means I'm going to do a colonoscopy on you in a spinal tap not for your health. I could care less about your health than actually doing a study about national or world health

52:15 And so I'm not going to treat you and so obviously if your gonna do an investigation in someone's body like that, and not treat them. You would need ethical approval. And why John Walker Smith got his license back is the judge said it is so clear that these 12 children that it was clinical investigation because was going on with them. And the General Medical Council had ruled that it was only medical research and they needed ethical approval because they didn't get it, they lost their licenses so there it is. So I think we're in a very good place to be right now. We've got some of these things happening but what's really important for us to do is to make sure that we have an effective approach to this.

52:58 That's why Andy Wakefield lost his license. It was on a hoax put together by the pharmaceutical industry working with the General Medical Council, but I will still say this let's say it wasn't ethical Let's just go ahead and say that John Walker Smith hadn't gotten his license back I Still question the fact that the study was pulled The study was pulled from The Lancet and they said well it was retracted but hear me out this would be like if two police officers are called to a house and here screaming inside the rush into the house i hope there's no children because this is a graphic detail of the running in the house, someone laying dead on the kitchen floor in the throat has been slid. And they run in search the house in the closet master bedroom define guys standing there with bloody knife and arrest him

53:47 And then you end up in court and the guy gets off on a technicality because someone says well those police officers had no right to go into that house they should have gotten a search warrant from a judge because they didn't. This murderer is gonna walk. Does that mean that the murderer didn't do it? Even if it wasn't maybe the right ethical and they should have had a search warrant It's still we watch this happen We've watched it happen in cases, but we still know that that guy did it The same is true here It doesn't change what they discovered in the study even if it had been unethical and luckily it wasn't

54:23 And yet we have rewritten the history of the world on the mmr vaccine around this study it's really really a tragedy science and it will one day when I work with andy on backstage said you know are you worried that the world never know the truth and no not at all. Is there no way they won't know the truth because every year autism continues to grow and eventually it will be one in two children, i would love everywhere else and become obvious that the parents were always right the eyewitnesses had it right from the beginning. He said, so one day history will report it correctly and say it was vaccines that were doing. It the question is are we at one in two children with autism by the time they finally admit it? And that's what we're up against how long is it going to take and how long are you allow the health departments and the doctors of the world to push

55:18 this idea that it's not what the eyewitnesses are saying they got it wrong while we watch remember autism is gone from one in ten thousand children in the nineteen seventies to now officially, the most official capture of it is in New Jersey. One in 32 children in New Jersey's being diagnosed with autism. We believe that's probably the rate across the country somewhere between one and 32 and one in 36. And boys have a much higher prevalence so it looks like boys could be somewhere in 1 in 22 boys as being diagnosed with autism up from 1 in 10 thousand. That is a crisis!

55:55 That should be the number one story on every news station in America not Tens of people in Washington with the measles who were all going to go on and have lifelong immunity How about the 1 in 22 boys that are being diagnosed with autism this year? how is that not an epidemic, how was that not scary because we get two one into a And you no longer have the united states of america you can't mount a standing army you'll be lucky if you can mount standing starbucks because i do you or someone in your family are taking care of has a neurological disorder for life.

56:37 Man is so sad and so dark but those details are very important when it comes to any way fields case because i was talking points are still out there so i do appreciate you walking us through that. And so i know that the last three years that you've worked its been dedicated to vaccine safety specifically what i heard just say that next you'll be looking at vaccine advocacy yeah and I guess i'm curious what falls under that umbrella can you talk to us a little more about this pivot in your work going forward? Well the reason we're moving on is because we have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the safety does not exist for vaccines. That there's no way for them to say they're safe and any decent scientist that looks at the work we've done so like, I said we've won several lawsuits against government health agencies but we've been in a debate with Health and Human Services

57:31 We sent a 37 page, I think it was 37, that's not how you print it out. But document with all the issues that we had brought up at the National Institute of Health meeting there were internal emails that went backward they continued to answer our questions but because that was so behind closed doors and off-the record and we weren't allowed to share those interactions with the health department we said screw it let's just make a public document and send it in and make them answer these questions in public since they're evading us behind closed doors in front of Trump's people that were involved. And so we submitted the Health and Human Services notice, and then after many months they responded with their own document pointing to citations of studies that they thought proved safety improved placebos or no placebos. We took a year reading literally thousands of studies so that it wouldn't be inaccurate

58:19 And we have just released about a month or so ago the ICANN response to HHS. It's essentially, ICANN is my nonprofit informed consent action network We had 50 groups representing over 5 million people sign on to these interactions and So all of that's available on my website icandecide.org but we challenged every part of safety and improved I think beyond a shadow of doubt that no one can tell you these things are safe but because the science is so poor shocking i mean i'm really actually surprised how many non-existent decent answer is when you seek to have discussions about safety i mean i assume they had done some other safety signs or even law averages they would accidentally done a decent study but they really haven't

59:07 So now it makes us think, well geez if they've been lying about safety all this time then let's start looking closer at their studies on efficacy. Meaning how effective it is at stopping the disease and how long that effectiveness lasts? And so that's where we're going to start investigating because there are a lot of problems for instance mumps The mumps outbreaks that we've been watching over the last couple years are happening in fully vaccinated communities. In college campuses where they all have had their MMR vaccines and are up to date, many universities already mandate that you have to have the MMR yet that's where the mumps outbreaks are happening

59:47 in hockey teams and professional sports where most of the time when they look at it, those athletes are fully up to date on their vaccines. Why are they having mumps outbreaks? And I told you earlier that before any of these mumps outbreaks we had Steven Crailing and Joan Wolakowski—I think is how you say her name—two scientists from Merck come forward as whistleblowers suing Merck saying that we were forced to manipulate the study on mumps because the FDA was seeing that all of these outbreaks of mumps were happening amongst fully vaccinated people. So, the FDA actually said to Merck, We want you look into this. You're going have to redo your study and prove to us that the mump strain your using is efficacious."

1:00:30 And so Stephen Crailing was the head, he's put in charge of this study. So they ran the studies in mouse models and things like that to try and see how long the efficacy was, and it was almost non-existent! The strain was no longer working to protect or create titers for mumps and they reported that to Merck. Merck said, we can't do that the reason being they couldn't change their month strain because that would mean they would lose the patent and they would lose control over the MMR which is a big cash cow in America around the world so if they shifted someone else could move in and grab that spot So then they forced Stephen to say use RabbitSpot This literally was a story that Stephen has told to the courts and it's still in court the

1:01:31 that you can look at right now in Los Angeles, there's a huge pertussis outbreak in a school. In a private school specifically amongst fully vaccinated children the article read and the paper they're saying that he cannot blame the anti-vaxxers on this pertussis outbreak and in fact there is 18 kids in the school who are not vaccinated and their one of only ones not getting pertussis which also proves a point I've been trying to make for very long time And when we looked at pertussis Specifically, there are some really alarming discussions that we've had about that. There's been two studies using baboons now you can't test a vaccine on a human being well they're already not doing the safety studies with placebos I told you about but they also can't do an assault study which means or in insults study where your given a vaccine and then they put you in contact with the virus of the bacteria is supposed to protect us see if it works

1:02:28 Obviously that would definitely be unethical to do to human beings. So they use baboons and baboon study pertussis actually the D tap vaccine diphtheria tetanus and a cellular pertussis Which is what we use on our children They gave it to a group of baboons They gave a saline injection to another group so that they got nothing And then they had a group that Oh DTP back see let's not even get into that that just adds a complication So DTAP and the unvaccinated group, and then they submit them and put them in front of pertussis. And as would be expected the group that had the vaccine didn't have a cough in the group of baboons that did not have the vaccine. They got pertussis, they coughed a bunch none of them died, they ended up surviving and were fine but than they did follow-up study. Than few months later they subjected to pertussis again

1:03:18 And what they found was that the natural immunity of the baboons held up, that they didn't end up colonizing their pertussis in their lungs. But that the vaccinated group did! That they started colonizing but still didn't have to cough And so what they discovered is that all the vaccine is doing, it's stopping your symptoms. Which is great! Who wants to cough? I get that. That's fine if that's what you want to protect but all of the advertising is saying... If you've seen the Big Bad Wolf ads, if baby's at home and grandma wants to come visit make grandma get her DTaP vaccine to protect that baby and they show grandma turns into a big bad wolf when she decides not to get the vaccine

1:04:03 But think about what they're saying. They're saying it's dangerous to visit the baby if you're unvaccinated for DTAP, but when the truth is that you're actually more dangerous if you've had the vaccine because you don't know if you're carrying it into that house! It can be in your body but you have no alarm—you have no cough warning you—you are a carrier of And then, you know, the vaccine is a great way to get rid of it. But if you don't have the vaccine and you're walking over, you can be a silent deadly killer. And then

1:04:41 a new study just came out, even more fascinating. We just talked about this on the high wire last week that looked at all the studies that are going on and reviews of the DTAP vaccine around the world and what they discovered is that the DTAP vaccine if you have gotten it you are going to have more pertussis throughout your life than if you hadn't gotten you are going to be developing more pertussis because of the way the vaccine works. It doesn't prime the body to actually recognize pertussis correctly and even more shocking, in an article it says this error that is going to cause more pertussis in everybody thats gotten a DTaP vaccine cannot be reversed

1:05:25 which is why I say you should always have a choice whether you want to use these vaccines because now we know every child that got a DTAP vaccine is going to suffer from pertussis more often the rest of their life because it and those that didn't get it guess what they'll have pertussis once And maybe there is some, I'm not gonna overstate it. It is one of the few illnesses that it looks like you may not maintain lifelong immunity to but you will certainly have decades if you got the disease whereas now the DTaP and suggestion by the way the suggestion of that study was not so stop using DTap. No the suggestion was I believe we should be giving DTaP then every three years

1:06:12 Packed with aluminum and all sorts of crap every three years. This is what's gonna happen if they mandate vaccines by the way, and we should probably get into that because the laws now are getting terrifying you have people that been brainwashed into thinking that vaccines have saved their lives They don't look at any of the science I've discussed. And now all of your politicians certainly it tends to lean more liberal, which is unfortunate. I say that as a lifelong progressive liberal and Bobby Kennedy is calling it out too. Yes, the son of the Kennedy family is saying, I don't know why liberals are getting behind censorship and you know they're taking away our right to opt out of the vaccine program and what that means

1:06:53 And it's probably in every almost, I think there are seven maybe moving towards 10 states are looking to remove all of your exemptions to opt out of the vaccine program. That means you can't just skip one when they call us anti-vaxxers lots of people just say I don't need the rotavirus vaccine or I don't think chickenpox is a vaccine I need and they're suddenly an anti-vaxxer for just deciding to drop one of the vaccines our government wants to make it so that you can't do that In California, we know that SB 277 took our right to choose a way if we want to go to a public or private school with our kids. But here's what's happening folks take the word vaccine out of it let's really try and critically think about this for a second We are saying that we're okay that the government force injects our children

1:07:42 And there will be lost right around the corner for every adult force inject us with products we have no control over that they never tell us the truth on as you pointed out the pharmaceutical industry lies all the time i point out multiple lives by the cdc in this conversation. You are gonna be forced injected with products you have no control over, Now, I don't know that I need to tell you that Nazi Germany did similar things or other countries have tried similar things that ended up being considered atrocities. But do you want to live in a nation where the government actually treats you as property because that's what it is. Go ahead and keep referring to the herd, because they are considering you a herd. You're a herd owned by the United States government and if you allow them to take your exemptions away that means you no longer own your own body, the government does so forget about your gun rights, forget about your land rights, forget about your water rights, your right to free speech

1:08:45 Right now, hanging in the balance in the Senate, in the Congress throughout many of our state capitals is a decision to say you do not have a right to control your own body. People please, please wake up now Our founding fathers are rolling over in their grades don't be so terrified of two percent to the children that are going on and life long immunity diseases they contract at home there's no case of them ever killing anybody once they got it, can you end up being a healthiest kids by every study across the world doesn't matter.

1:09:27 Force injections and think about Donald Trump because this is a huge push by liberal progressives and Every one of them talked to me about Donald Trump as though he's the Antichrist in the end of the world for them They're anti-trump and pro vaccine mandate. I have this to say to you Donald trump who you're angry is going to try and force the bill wall could have control over your body if you let the democrats take away your rights to choose what happens in your body. The president of the united states folks puts into office that head of the cdc, the head of the fda, the head of the national institute of health, the head of the EPA

1:10:12 So all the people that decide what is going to be mandated into your body are put into their positions by the president of United States. So if you're afraid of Donald Trump, please wake up right now and know that it would have someone worse would have someone even more controlling do we really really think That our nation is so smart It will never vote in a Mussolini or Hitler or someone that has the least bad ideas for maybe the darker people, the black people, the African-Americans, the Asians, the Latinos or maybe gays. Maybe they don't like gays if you have a forced vaccination program where you're having to show up every year and get injected with things you don't know about. Don't be shocked if suddenly oh my God look at that in that poor community down there they're having real trouble giving birth it seemed to be sterile and we don't know why

1:11:06 Maybe i'm living in a science fiction movie maybe it's all gonna be ok the government's gonna own our bodies maybe it's okay to pharmaceutical industry is the most powerful lobbying washington outspending oil and gas two to one maybe it's okay that they said hearing today what's the line pharma and cc together emerge them. Do work hand-in-hand control your body Maybe it is you decide what do you make that decision i'm out of here yes man nice nice i love it and not, as a winding down here i guess i would just ask you anything else to say the people about how they can get involved or help to turn the tide on these issues ever going forward.

1:11:50 Yes you got to call your politician you gotta reach out it still works actually i travel the country and i talk to. Politicians all the time in a city del that's an intriguing page you made some really good points but why are none of my constituents here complaining about this end, When you have to know, I know it's hard to get up and go and call your senator or your congressman or your assembly member. They know how hard that is to do so if you bring your kids and your wife or your husband, you represent thousands of people to that person because they know how hard it is and you've gotta go in and tell the truth. And its easy to do on days where all the groups behind this are sharing and helping you do it So you need to reach out start looking for

1:12:36 health choice or vaccine choice, whatever your state is. Type in Health Choice Washington or Vaccine Risk Choice anything like that until you find that group. Or if you go to the National NVI. Oh shoot I've got too many letters popping around my head anyway come on to my show this week and i'll make sure to post it The High Wire so you can find a group near you but join that group and lastly You gotta get out! This is the issue of our time This is going to decide whether you are free or not. The pharmaceutical industry is taking over your government, they've taken over the CDC and they've taken over the FDA." My parents who are still liberals were like Donald Trump's gonna destroy all of our regulatory agencies!

1:13:17 And I say, oh my God. I pray that he does because here's the problem. I want regulatory agencies. I'm not crazy. I know industries lie to us all the time but if Merck is being run by Pfizer and Sanofi Aventis, I mean if CDC has been run by Merck and Sanofi Aventis and Pfizer which it Then you don't have a regulatory agency if the FDA is being run by people from Monsanto and the EPA Is being run by people from Exxon all of those things You can look up are true then. You don't have regulatory agencies And at that moment, at least then you will realize your all-by yourself and you better start questioning everybody and everything and reading every label

1:14:00 And lastly, when it comes to this issue we've touched on it. I want to simply put it this way the pharmaceutical industry lies to us on a constant basis there are lawyers under television every week saying if you've been injured by this drug get onto our lawsuit And we have seen lawsuits for by ox where they killed sixty five thousand people before we found out they knew the drug cause heart attacks from the beginning of a whole time as you pointed out earlier on johnson and johnson new there was a specialist in the powder we were sprinkling honor babies genitals they knew it the whole time and i think i'm looking at.

1:14:41 The Oxycontin epidemic is destroying tens of thousands of people are dying every year in America from that. They've been saying that Vioxx was safe the whole time until it proved not to be. They've been saying that talcum powder is safe, and they're the ones telling you that vaccines are safe." Now, I'm going to say this, because I think we all know what's happening in the world right now with COVID-19. We have a lot of people who are getting sick from it. And some of them aren't even aware of it yet. But there has been an increase Add to that every product i just mentioned you can see the manufacturer which means they've got to be worried about it and then paying out billions of dollars. But there's one product this industry cannot be sued for only one and that vaccines the products being injected into your babies,

1:15:37 And the product I have told you has never been to a safety study. All those others, even though they must've had to fake some things at least they had to go through a safety study not your vaccines So the only product that you can't sue the pharmaceutical industry for has never been through a safety study and add to that is the only product in this country that is forced upon free citizens So you have taken away every market force there would be for them to evolve this product and get the dangers in the levels that come down. You took away the market force lawsuits which would demand a better product any take it with the market course of choice, invite god all the industries you give up free ride too

1:16:21 Can not be able to see them is the pharmaceutical industry the one you choose and is the product being injected in your children the one you feel good about that on. I need your help we only get on this this is a crisis of astronomical consequences. Right well great points i hope people are feeling motivated you're doing great things before we really get out of here other resources or plugs you'd like to throw out so people can keep digging into these issues and following your work you got i can't hear hi wire. Yeah the high wire so the high wire looking we may all get kicked off of facebook at some point so that's the case our website hopefully launching this week the high wire dot com go to the high wire i do a live show every thursday eleven am pacific time it's a lot of fun.

1:17:08 We add some humor to the issue as we sort of give the pharmaceutical industry and our regulatory agencies the beat down. We try to talk about other things like Monsanto and things like that, but there is so much information about vaccines right now it's really hard to talk about anything else. Definitely go to my non-profit, The Informed Consent Action Network where you can find it. I can decide Look at the government papers. You can read all of the science I'm talking about and everything I talk about I cite and back up with published science All the links are on our website And every time you watch The High Wire, all you have to do is type ICAN into your comments while you're watching on Facebook and we'll send you all this science that backs up our points.

1:17:55 history will show that the science was actually on the side of the anti-vaxxers. That what was done by the pro vaccine community, which is one of the biggest Abominations of science that has ever happened it's gonna take some time we need you with us because the longer it takes the more dangerous to becomes the moral rights disappear, do not want to go beyond fifty four percent of our children with chronic illness one in four children leaving elementary school drug they'll be on the rest of their life wanted two adults now and drugs. This is the world this is a new normal if you don't like it

1:18:35 Step up and do something about it now. Well said beautiful stuff well i can't thank you enough again big fan of what you doing how you do it so keep up the good work take care and I'll see ya next time. Awesome Greg appreciate it sweet dreams are made of these dear people the man himself Dell Bigtree gracing THC with his presence and bringing the heat I really don't have much to say. That was excellent! I mind Dell's work for some of what i considered the most advanced level 2 things about vaccines rather than the basics and I just think we hit on so many great points The measles stuff was pretty wild that you might be immune to other things like certain types of cancers by getting measles? I mean wow, and also of course that a natural immunity lasts longer than a vaccine anyway

1:19:33 I kind of knew that, but it's good to reiterate. And it's pretty synchronistic too because I've gotten several emails from listeners lately who have sent me various articles about the political and media-based campaigns to force usage and limit liability and I would write them back and say, i got one coming for this just hang tight a little bit. And I'm sure those people are pretty happy that we highlighted this because it's not the same old vaccine conversation new stuff is happening new stories are coming out that are designed as hit pieces on anti-vaxxers and I actually really like that Dell uses the term ex-vaxxers a lot instead because it implies hey

1:20:16 I was like you until i really dug into the issue and now im an ex-vaxxer. To me theres this built in insinuation that you learned something then changed your mind, its a lot less polarizing, a lot less me vs them but it says the same thing And in terms of hit pieces obviously in the vast sea of the internet if you see the same story propelled to the top of your news feeds in several different places I always consider that a bit of bullshit story. It could be real but if it fits into one of these agendas then you know they just push it to the front as much as they can and one that got me recently is this kid who's taking his parents to court over being unvaccinated. It's actually pretty heartbreaking, everyone is already annoyed when it comes to these douchey toolbag smug millennial kids

1:21:14 And then you have one of these types of kids, this teenager who thinks he knows everything putting that sort of rift between himself and his parents siding with the system over his own family. What's scarier still setting up a template for more to do the same It's the sort of thing that scares me away from wanting kids entirely because I could not take that it's like a family who recovers their kidnapped daughter only for her to say actually i like him better than you mom and dad Which did happen in that R. Kelly situation for anyone who's been following that or watched the docuseries Two different sets of parents are all over the news saying I haven't seen my daughter in years She's brainwashed by this psychopath, she's in a cult And then R. Kelly lets her up from the basement to do a couple carefully planned interviews and she's like no My parents are crazy! I'm fine! I love living in piss-soaked cell number five We're in love actually

1:22:14 It's just so sad. I don't know how these parents stay strong in those sorts of situations This idea of suing your parents because you weren't vaccinated strikes the same chord with me If you opted out for the safety of your kid and then in their teens they started drinking the kool-aid and took you to court it would be crushing And when I think about that story from a strategic perspective like if we really are in an information war with the system, and we are I saw that story and i thought, wow. That's genius well played if parents aren't scared into vaccines over legal action not being able to go to Disneyland or the mall that will scare them into doing it what if you didn't circumcise a kid and then when he was 16 he sued you for emotional distress because some girl thought it looked weird but there are a lot of political and perception management issues in the vaccine arena right now

1:23:20 That's just the one that strikes me as the hardest to take on a personal level. I also thought it was interesting that Dell mentioned at one point that vaccines mask symptoms but you might still carry the virus, that's exactly what Patrick Jordan was saying and i love the guy but i do consider Patrick Jordan to be one of the most extreme in his positions. He considers himself the most extreme so it's not really news But it was nice to see some overlap here, some complimentary comments maybe we should say. But great show! It was a real milestone for me I remember when Vaxxed first came out THC was still a baby and i watched this great documentary in a theater which was kind of mind-blowing. I see Dell in the lobby shaking hands and taking pictures. I shook his hand, I said great job and I didn't mention that I had a podcast

1:24:23 Mainly because I almost never mention it in person when i meet someone who could be a potential guest. It's much easier and efficient to send them an email with a link to my twitter or my youtube where we see tens of thousands of subscribers, and they say oh okay! I get it now but I thought then man...it would be really great to have Dell on but I just don't feel worthy yet So i put it away and now years later i do feel like we built a platform where its not guests doing me a favor but its actually a large show with the well crafted intelligent high level audience. That is large enough for to definitely be worth against time

1:25:06 So I stayed patient and funny enough two different sources in the same week put me in contact with those people. One being a listener who had a few contacts and said, hey you got to go on this show! And the other was the Grimerica guys because they also had Dell on recently so big thanks to everyone involved. I am really glad that I waited and it's just a nice thing to see it all come full circle So thanks guys for listening. Definitely follow Dell's show, The High Wire You get all these lesser known threads and breakdowns of recent media hit pieces And all that sort of stuff that I think is really important to keep tabs on Of course if you like the first hour of the free version of THC Join THC Plus for a second hour It's $8 bucks a month but i bring you five great shows and it's all action-packed and commercial free! You're not paying to hear me talk to these guys about the weather

1:26:04 I definitely try to keep the ball rolling and value your time and financial contribution. In today's Plus Show, we talked about that idea that different races and genders are being disproportionately affected. Dell is a little more reserved on going there and i get that We talked about the problems with child protective services That's something that I definitely think needs a full show! I gotta find the guy for that We talked about eczema and other autoimmune conditions as vaccine damage, the complex story of the polio vaccine. The whole issue might have been related to the chemical DDT. We talked about what the world's leading expert in aluminum has to say about its effects on health. We dive deeper into vaccine ethics and I got to ask a question i've been thinking about since I first saw Vaxxed could my childhood meningitis have been caused by vaccine damage?

1:27:00 Dell is a little skeptical there's no precedent for a meningitis tainted vaccine to appear in Colorado. There is a president for it to appear and canada around the exact same time I was being vaccinated but unless we can find that that tainted lot of vaccines and Canada was offloaded in Colorado, then we can't really say it's related. Although it was offloaded in other parts of the world and another thing that is worth mentioning We talked about the Trump administration and the vaccine issue people give me a lot of shit for not being a Q guy For not trusting our fearless leader

1:27:44 But when something legitimately comes up that speaks to a good argument for that case, I ask about it and highlight those things that suggest i might be wrong. I did with Dylann Monroe too! I don't trust authority or any president and am actually surprised when I hear Trump sent a team of people with Dell included to ask questions about vaccines. It's a good thing I'm willing to highlight that and i'm willing to be wrong if it's actually getting movement on some of these things that we want done. I'm just skeptical of people in the presidential seat, still try to be fair though but yes that's the show good times great oldies i tried to set this show up in a way that makes it a nice tool to show people in your life who aren't yet convinced we don't need to yell and scream

1:28:38 We just need to tell folks what they aren't being told and make rational, well thought out simple arguments. So huge thanks to Del for not just taking the time to talk to me but for all the work he does! Tell him if you liked it and I'll see ya next time Your move propaganda pushing pediatricians perception management media manipulators and regulatory agencies that do not regulate your fucking move Have a drink and a smoke Listen to the cast, we shine a shiny spotlight Put criminals on blast The pinstripe men of mourning and families of finance DuPont, Windsor and Rothschild, the kids don't stand a chance

1:29:32 The kids don't, the kids don't stand. The kids don't stand a chance I said the kids don't, the kids don't stand. The kids don't stand a chance We're looking for the answers to questions never asked So we come to the Carlwood for the higher side chats The pinstripe men of mourning And families of finance DuPont, Windsor and Rothschild The kids don't stand a chance. I said the kids don't, the kids don't stand, the kids don't stand a chance

1:30:34 Involved in shady business We try to get a glance We're working on the number Resistance must advance The pinstripe men of mourning And families of finance DuPont, Windsor and Rothschild The kids don't stand a chance The kids don't, the kids don't stand The kids don't stand a chance I said the kids don't, the kids don't stand The kids don't stand a chance