Dawn Lester & David Parker | What Really Makes Us Ill, Germ Theory, & The Four Factors

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. Apart from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation... I'm Greg Carlwood These are the higher side chats.

01:45 Because we know that our water is in piss poor shape, chemicals and heavy metals are being sprayed in the air and our land has been thoroughly trashed by one giant dirty industrial process after another. Yet the international conversation seems focused on climate change while few are talking about making our environment less toxic." Nearly every autoimmune condition, neurological issue and debilitating illness is on the rise and even our current news cycle is centered around the spread of the oh-so deadly coronavirus. What if germ theory itself, the notion of infectious disease viruses and bacteria being the root cause of our problems was fundamentally flawed. And at best is based on more guesses and faith-based doctrine than The Big Bang. At worst is a vast conspiracy to find an invisible scapegoat as well as drain our bodies in our bank accounts

02:37 Well, sometimes it's best to go back to the basics. And according to today's guests Don Lester and David Parker, germ theory itself—the scientific basis that our entire medical system is based upon—has never been proven. It's the subject of their massive nearly 800-page book What Really Makes You Ill? Why Everything you Thought You Knew About Disease Is Wrong and I'm Psyched To Get Into It! The infectious disease doubters and medical system slayers, Don & David welcome to The Higher Side Hi Greg, thank you very much for inviting us on and we've been really looking forward to talking to you about this. Oh absolutely it is a real pleasure your book is massive and full of interesting facts in history that really do make me start to wonder about these things that we've taken for granted as to why we get sick And you really do go back to the beginnings of medical history It is quite a trip

03:30 And in previous episodes, we've talked about how toxic our environment is plenty of times as well as the suppression and demonization Of many cures that have popped up more from the natural world than from big pharma But to say germs and viruses have never been proven to cause disease is a much bolder claim What was it? They got you looking at the fundamentals so thoroughly. How long have you been doing this research? Or as you say, it's a big book 800 pages. And we've been researching this for, well at least 10 years. Over 10 years! So a lot of research has gone into this and as you'll know from having a look at the book there's 40 pages of references alone where we've looked at white papers and stuff put out by the WHO World Health Authority for those that are not sure what the abbreviations are so yeah it's a bit of an expose really of the whole medical establishment

04:28 We have to be careful what we say because some of the big money behind it in the pharmaceutical companies and others who've got huge vested interests, and they don't take kindly to anyone criticizing what they do. But to answer your question more specifically as to how we sort of got into this is really from personal experiences with close family and friends over a period of time who were diagnosed with cancer, various cancers and various age groups. The people... they all I'm talking at this stage of six different people who all took the normal medical treatments whether it's chemotherapy or radiotherapy or combinations to two. They all obeyed what the doctors said they all followed it faithfully and they all died

05:22 So, I started to wonder what was going off there particularly as I had another relative an elderly lady who was also diagnosed with cancer but she was very adamant that she was not going to be messed around and she didn't want any of the chemo or radiotherapy. She just wanted to be left alone and she'd just live with it. The medical establishment still monitored her over the period of a year or two until they came to the decision that they were able to tell her that her cancer had completely gone. So that was really great news so i was left wondering what's going on here got six people who, follow the medical advice taking the treatment and i've all died and one lady refused to love it and she left. So that's what really started me thinking and you know don't like we know one another for many years and we talked about this

06:16 and thought there's something very peculiar going on, something wrong. Particularly when we'd heard the medical establishment as they still do crowing that their cancer research is getting better and better and you know they have a growing at least 50% success rate with curing cancer Well, I thought well you know just for the six people that i know. You had a hundred percent failure rate so where does this fifty percent success right come from. So it was not sort of thing that god is interesting to start to have a look and see just what was behind all this and we found out the more we dug into it

06:57 the mercury got and the more we found that the things were being told in a big boat up to believe. Why medical establishment where i'm true instead of it being a science became, always choose it was more a belief system people talking about doctors now just following a dogma And we're not here saying that doctors are evil people and they're out to deceive the public, you know far from it. I mean the general medical staff whether they're nurses or doctors believe they're doing the right thing and they want the best for their patients but like anyone they can only do what they're taught and if medical school as we know because we've talked to doctors you know they teach them certain things

07:46 And as we know, most of the medical schools are funded by or wholly owned by pharmaceutical companies. Or affiliates to pharmaceutical companies so there's quite a bias there in the type of things that they're going to be taught and basically they told them medicines are the answer to everything. Whatever the symptoms, got a name for it and then prescribe a particular drug or treatment So, as we realized that this was quite a murky thing that we were looking at. We thought where do we start with it? so we decided that we'd started the beginning. We take nothing for granted. We both follow the true scientific method which is follow the evidence and will start with the most basic question of all is what really makes you ill

08:37 We knew that we were told by the establishment and still are, that it's almost everything is due to germs of one sort or another either viruses or bacteria. So we started to look for the proofs of whether this was true And in a nutshell, we found that it wasn't true. That the whole thing is based on assumptions as much as anything and there's no true scientific evidence to support the germ theory. I guess in a way, the clue is in the title germ theory ie its not proven fact and thats really where we started

09:21 Okay i don't want this to be a monologue so you know you're welcome to jump in and ask some questions as we go along. Sure sure yes that teases up quite well and I agree with the other cancer situation is quite dire i think that's a huge conspiracy chemotherapy and radiation can hold a candle to a proper diet and just increase n, Nutrition and focusing on things that way i mean there's plenty of examples the gerson institute where basically they're healing cancer with green smoothies and that's essentially what your book is about largely as getting away from the toxic environment and focusing on nutrition. And with cancer i think thats at least for this audience,

10:06 fairly well established that there's something crazy going on there but viruses and germ theory i mean this is way more fundamental in the book you say there are a number of sources that provide, corroboration of the assertion that germ theory lacks any original scientific proof. And this is probably the element of your positions that sounds most radical to listeners what sources do you find most convincing that people should know about? Well the first thing you need to remember is that it's important that those who propose a theory are the ones who actually need to prove it and it's not just for us to say oh, it's not been proved. We look at the evidence and we see that their theories haven't been proved

10:53 A lot of the sources that we've used, I mean we have quoted a number of medical doctors who were around at about similar time to Louis Pasteur. He's given the credit for the gerb theory but he wasn't the first person who posited the idea that there were these small agents that invaded the body, infected people and are the cause of disease. And these germs then started being looked for in the body and then it brought about the whole idea of assuming that these entities invaded the body and caused infections. Now some of the sources we've got are Dr John Tilden

11:38 Dr. Beddow Bailey and Dr. Leveson, all of them are medical doctors or were. They're all kind of around the end of the 19th century some of them lived into the 20th century but they were fairly close contemporaries of Pasteur and they looked into what was going on and they would were not at all convinced by the information that Pasteur was putting out in some of his papers. And there's even some, I believe his name is Gyson who has written a book showing that some of Louis Pasteur work was in fact nowhere near as methodical as it's made out to be. So Louis Pasteur held up this

12:21 hero of modern medicine as a germ theory and A lot of his contemporaries were saying no, but of course it didn't suit The people at the time or the people who are running the medical system at the time to have that theory Questioned at all if I could just mention here. Sorry to interrupt Just to mention that in case people don't realize that Louis Pasteur was not a doctor until He was a chemist and in later years after his death he left notes to say that none of his papers or research work were to be made public, which is an interesting fact in itself as to why someone want to do that. And many people who have sort of looked into this work

13:06 Of course you actually is a fraud and my talk later about some of this stuff particularly his association with rabies in arabes vaccine. So we can talk about that a bit later but i need back to do yes i'm just quite a few examples but the ones we've included in the book are just a few i mean It takes a lot of effort and the way the internet is going in the way that information has been closed down and becoming more difficult to access. It does take quite a bit digging into some of the older papers, and some of the old writings of people of late 19th century early 20th century but one

13:48 Dr. Tilden's comments, I think we've got it at the head of that particular chapter about the germ theory where he says that germs as a cause of disease is a dying fallacy He actually called it a fallacy now dr. Tilden died in about 1940 so we're talking the best part over 100 years ago The idea that germs were the cause of disease was just not accepted But it's been pushed and pushed and pushed There are reasons for it, which I'm sure we'll go into in more detail later on. But some of it is because it's a very useful something to use to frighten people but it also distracts and you rightly say that the environment is getting more and more toxic

14:29 and more people are aware of that but of course it's much easier to say oh well it's all germs, its nothing to do with pollution. There are more and more germs and they're all affecting us and they're all invading our bodies and thats what causes disease Well that just simply isn't true there are many examples we discuss in the book how this theory just doesn't follow the empirical evidence, you know. The experiences of real people in the real world don't match this theory and so it really starts to fall apart and it's quite obvious that its useful but isn't actually true. If I could just come a little on that because going back those early years when they sort of with optical microscopes this is in time before the electron microscope was invented which didn't come until around 1930

15:18 But in those early years when they just had the optical microscopes and they first discovered bacteria, which are living organisms. Because they saw them if they found either diseased or dying flesh then they assumed because they saw bacteria around those damaged areas, damaged tissues, then they assumed that it was bacteria that had caused it And as we've seen, and I think it's quite a nice sort of anecdote is to say that would be the same as accusing firemen if starting fires just because whenever you see a house by there always find me around it. This was the most fundamental mistake that they made with bacteria. I assume because they saw them around dead disease tissue that day with the court has proper research shown actually clean up agents

16:10 and should be thought of as that. So all the normal, if we think of bacteria and fungi, the various sorts they're always breaking dead tissue down without them I mean you see it in woodlands, you see it in many aspects of life that bacteria and fungi Which instead of being blamed for causing disease are actually essential to the body. In fact it's been estimated that in the human gut there is something like a pound and half of bacteria, millions and millions of them without them your digestion system wouldn't work and without then well life would not survive on earth so they're actually essential

16:52 not a hindrance. So completely given the wrong sort of stigma to them, but as Dawn said earlier as time went on it became convenient to blame them bacteria because then sort of lotions and potions could be prepared to kill off this bacteria no doubt we'll talk about antibiotics a little later too Many of the diseases that they were then attributing to being caused by bacteria, but bear in mind as we'll talk more on. None of it was ever proved it was just assumptions but they realized that there were certain illnesses, diseases that they couldn't pin on bacteria so they thought there must be something else but didn't know what it was and then in 1930's when electron microscope is discovered which gave them ability to see smaller things

17:44 they were able to say tiny particles in the blood which they gave the name viruses too even though as we say in the book virus, the word virus is a very old word I think from latin which just means poison but it's been corrupted now to talk if these tiny particles are actually living things like bacteria In actual fact, true science shows us that they're not living things. They are basically tiny bits of protein which are not alive at all. They don't meet any of the criteria and this is not our idea, this is held by science. They don't meet any of the criteria for something to be alive which means it should be able to eat and excrete and have a certain minimum DNA and reproduce these are the things that define whether something is alive

18:38 And these particles that i call viruses don't have any of those attributes basically they're not living thing right. Sorry i just wanted to jump in and say that i did have this written down cuz it is such a curious thing i think a lot of people have the saddest trusting the experts they've got this on lock they been studying these things for a long time, from your book you have this thing where you say and august two thousand eight scientific american ran an article entitled are viruses alive and quote that article they say

19:14 First they were seen as poisons then is life forms then as biological chemicals. Viruses today are thought of to be in a gray area between living and non-living, it's like what that basically says nothing so i can back up what you're saying is like they don't really even know what the virus is exactly what is their purpose for them to say that viruses are alive But they have never been living organisms. We quote biologist Lynn Margulis saying that, you know as a biologist not a virologists saying that they are non-living and bacteria are the origin of all life

19:58 Because bacteria are so predominant everywhere and ubiquitous, they are one of the fundamental particles of life. As such it raises huge questions about how they can actually cause illness But at the same time, viruses are convenient for those diseases that they want to say aren't caused by bacteria. So they bring in the whole virus thing which of course probably takes us on to what's going on at the moment with a whole coronavirus. There is an awful lot of misinformation being put out about that. Yeah I think probably just because this virus thing is really big issue as Dawn said you know and it's very convenient to blame

20:41 A virus for almost anything and the medical establishment i will say inventing new viruses all the time you know, what there was an interesting case this is only a few years ago when this was in germany doctor stephan lanker people might want to look him up. It's only a few years ago. He is a doctor, he is also a virologist although he now states that he doesn't want to be called a virologist because as he puts it its bankrupt science and he is quite disgusted with it all in fact he is on the record saying

21:22 Neither he nor his team have ever found any virus to be the cause of any disease. And that's a bold statement coming from a doctor and a virologist at that, in fact one of the most famous things we have seen about Dr Stefan Lanka is and this again is only few years ago, to prove his point he put out a challenge to ask anyone to prove that a virus was the cause of measles. Okay? And he offered money for this, you know if anyone could do it Well obviously the pharmaceutical companies wanted to push him and forward to take that up and they took it into court. Cut a long story short They were unable to prove in court

22:09 that any of the scientific papers i could bring forward none of them prove that a virus cause measles and doctor stephanie when is case now you may find it surprising that. You default that would have been headline news all around the world you know there isn't a virus that causes me so, Therefore, it begs the question well what are vaccinations for? What is the measles vaccination for that they're pushing all the time and frightening mothers to get their young children vaccinated against measles because it's a terrible thing and could even cause death. And yet a court case in Germany in recent years only two or three years ago was able to show that there is no virus that causes measles at all so that just shows you

22:55 The corruption is going on in the medical establishment and the authorities generally, and also the complicity of the world media in propagating this deception rather than doing their job properly which is to expose these sorts of things to the public. To show just what a nonsense it is And that's just that one virus. But as I say, Dr Stephan Lanker said he or his team have never found any virus to cause any disease so we have to ask ourselves what is it going on particularly with this huge scaremongering that is going worldwide with the coronavirus which will come back too now

23:43 Well, I was actually going to go back to the point with the measles because soon after the court case it was actually very interesting and possibly well it wasn't particularly surprising for us but there was a great deal of media attention on measles cases i'm really high enough the apparent danger of measles now measles always considered to be all you know what can tell very recently was considered to be something about my disease and children jenny's kind of got over it The only problems were called complications and complications weren't actually necessarily as a result of the measles such. The complications were to do with other factors, but of course they didn't necessarily report all that but they certainly happy to report lots of measle cases and all these different children and reason there are more measles cases is because parents weren't taking their children to be vaccinated so you know these

24:42 points are all connected together, but it was quite an increase in media reporting about measles and measles cases soon after that case was decided in Dr. Lanker's favour so yeah... It's funny how these things work but not too surprising that it just erupted in that way What let me ask you this real quick because we can talk about it in the context of corona virus if we want but just the idea of being contagious weather is measles or chicken pox are the common cold, it feels like we've all experienced getting sick after our friends and family have gotten sick and just from being around them. Is that not right cuz thats kinda thing that makes me think

25:27 Well, clearly they have something in them or on them and then it got to me. What about contagiousness? Is this not a phenomenon?" It's an interesting question and one that obviously we looked at very carefully but bearing in mind what we've just been saying that there is no proof that either bacteria or virus can cause any disease okay and we can give more evidence for You start question exactly what you said well how does it if someone in an office environment to know someones got a cold and then people stop going down with this, gold conditions and blame one another for coffee germs over one another so its a common experience but there are many factors to be involved. In that sort of phenomena again which we explain in the book because we're quite categorical say well

26:22 We're not denying that people get ill, we're not denying that groups of people can get ill. But because we know it's not a bacteria or virus then there is some other cause, of course there is! So these are the things that we started to look at and it brings in things like environment and the environment that people working again which can be they polluted air, food & drink as we know electromagnetic radiation which is an increasing thing particularly with the advent of 5g, which many people are extremely worried about so all of these things within a group can affect that group and depending on the health of their bodies depends what they eat or drink.

27:11 We discuss as we found over the ten years that we've been studying this, that we broken it down to four factors which we discussed in the book which are root cause of all illness and mechanism they work through. We can talk about this later which is production free radicals in a body which is normal process will talk little bit about it now since I mentioned it all these things make people ill is when you get an overproduction of free radicals in the body which are not mopped up through the use of antioxidants. Okay, now it's a natural process for the body to produce free radicals during normal living activity but if person is eating correctly and has got the right intake of nutrients which contain antioxidants then the body just mops those up and they're excreted in the normal way also during sleep

28:09 The body's natural healing process again whilst you're asleep goes through a process of mopping up these free radicals. But if there are things that disturb that, and this can happen with night shift workers who sleep in the wrong part of the day as far as their body is concerned or people who are not having a proper nutritious diet. They don't contain enough antioxidants in their diet then they get this build up of free radicals which damage tissue and this is a fact. And if you've got enough of them for long enough you can get very severe damage. So it can go from just a light illness or fever to literally cancer, which is what cancer is. It's long-term damage to tissue but the body can heal from that

28:58 That can be corrected if it's caught soon enough. Hence the little story that I mentioned earlier with a relative who did refuse everything and basically, if you like cured herself of cancer without doing anything special other than living normally The other thing with the whole idea of contagiousness is the fact that people are attributing their different symptoms to being indications of different diseases. So if you've got X, Y, Z symptoms then it's this disease and if something slightly different then another disease. Interestingly many of them have actually got very similar or rather many symptoms in common I mean fever cough runny nose maybe sort of digestive problems they're common to so many

29:43 And so we wonder, well how come you've got all these different diseases? Why are there so many different diseases but not only that they seem to be increasing in number. It's not easy to find out how many different diseases there are supposed to be but it's hundreds if not thousands I just don't know But they're making up different names and subdividing them into different categories all the time That's really another major problem We found another big revelation that there are different disease entities, there are different collections of symptoms and people have similar symptoms. So if there's something that is going around the office as it were

30:25 people will have similar symptoms or they may have many similar symptoms, but they won't necessarily have exactly the same symptoms and for the same length of period or the same intensity. So they're not easily identifiable as exactly the same disease now the reason that people have different symptoms is David was saying it's because of different states of the body Now sometimes people have similar symptoms at the same time. So for example, you know children get together during the summer holidays and then when they go back to school they seem to have lots of colds or something now

31:06 It's because of similar circumstances, it could be just going back to school. There are all sorts of possibilities of what caused those symptoms but it is nothing to do with diseases, its to do with what the symptoms actually represent which are the body's normal processes or dealing with toxins and just releasing them so Sneezing is expulsion of different irritants that have gone into the respiratory system. Obviously, you know diarrhea and vomiting are problems in the digestive system so these are natural processes and the body's far more capable of dealing with them because it's got its own natural mechanisms for healing itself and this is again another

31:51 quite important point that the body is not given anywhere near as much credit for the ability to actually look after itself, heal itself and become and remain healthy. But it needs to be given the right circumstances. Yeah again our research has shown that only the body can heal itself Providing as don't just say providing you have a healthy diet as much as you can and healthy lifestyle as much as you can this doesn't mean that you have to be down the gym every few days you don't have to go to the gym at all but you do need to be able to eat correctly you do need to get the correct level of nutrients and vitamins

32:28 through natural food, good food. In fact there's a doctor Dr Henry Bela did write a book called Let Food Be Your Medicine I think it was and i think he is quite well known in sort of A-list people in Hollywood I think Jane Fonda was great believer in I think they call it Belas broth which was particular nutritious soup that she swore by but I digress slightly Basically, we found it's only the body that can heal itself. Now certain medicines shall we say whether it is herbs or whether something the pharmaceutical companies provide may mask the symptoms but they don't cure anything and thats for sure they dont cure anything and there are so many I know they call them side effects from pharmaceutical products

33:16 We just call them effects you know that's what they are there affect some of these medications which are actually far worse than anything had start with and very often lead to a chain reaction if you end up taking another medicine to actually immediate the first message that you took. And I've come across people which have got shelves full of medications, which they're taking on a daily basis. Which is really scary! But of course this is all great money for the pharmaceutical companies. Of course and uh...I'm totally with you with the idea that just the body can heal itself that the drugs were given from the medical system aren't doing a whole lot as you say in the book A lot of the symptoms of a toxin exposure are nausea

33:59 headache vomiting is the exact same side effects of medication so it's like what are these just toxins and i guess im still on the contagion thing i hear a lot of your points but let's look at something like maybe chicken pox because there is a visual component to chicken pox you know its hard to quantify someone's cough or someone getting the chills but when you see little red dots on a person that's pretty easy to quantify and then you take those kids because they're apparently contagious and u have them interact with each other so they get the virus i mean this is just. The conventional one oh one chicken pox stuff but because we can see that one and it jumps from person to person or so it seems what's really going on there if we have kid a with red dots on him they say yes chickenpox he interacts with kids

34:53 and next week kid B has those dots and has similar symptoms. What's that about? It is a very good point, first of all let me explain when someone had a certain level of toxic intake shall we say the body is trying to get rid of that as it recognizes there's a poison And as Dawn had said earlier, that can come out being sick or diarrhea, catarrh because the body is employing the mucous membranes. Various ways that it has for getting rid of those toxins but one of the main reasons and one of the main processes that it uses is the skin. It's the largest organ in the body and the body will use the skin to expel various toxins through the skin. This is where you get either rashes or blisters

35:44 appearing on the body. Okay, now for a group of children to seem to suffer these things all at the same time you would have to look at again as we sort of alluded to earlier what is in their environment? What is in there...the local things that are happening to them? Now as we know many children go through right from a very early age process vaccinations okay which are highly toxic Again, we may talk about them a little later. So you can end up with a group of children who've all gone through, similar vaccination process because they all seem to get them the certain rate of vaccines at the same age. Well of course the body is seeing those as toxins that have some quite dreadful things in them and it's going to get rid off so you can have a group of children or coming out with their bodies trying to expel this rubbish from them and its coming out through the skin and its coming in you get the blisters the doctors call

36:43 chicken pox but these sorts of blisters appear for all sorts of different reasons and the doctors often put also a different diagnosis on them but it's basically all stems from the same problem, have the bodies just trying to get rid of the tops in as quickly as you can. I need to employ all its systems so that children can feel really bad they cannot headaches that can i vomit in the canada area and they can also have the blisters coming up on the skin because the body is employing all of its systems to get rid of the toxin as quick as you can. And, the reason you get a group off them is because they've all experienced um... The same intake shall we say? Of whatever the toxin is and I'm just suggesting cause' we have seen it happen that one of these reasons that you get a group with children or experiencing this same thing at the same time Is because they have just gone through probably very similar

37:41 intake of vaccinations. I would also say that even though it happens in many cases, there are exceptions. There are although possibly less so, I don't know the exact statistics but even as you say sort of you know child A has spots and blisters plays with child B. Child B might not always get the same skin eruptions or whatever you can get it doesn't always happen It's not an inevitable. It is seen as, oh well you know my child had it so your child is going to get it. It's not always the case but that also brings in another aspect of the idea about contagiousness Is that its sort of tied with belief systems as well because when people really believe that thats what's going to happen quite often they can get

38:38 It's not quite psychosomatic, but there are real symptoms that can develop as a result of believing that something like a virus or whatever is going to cause the disease. You know in recent years many people have said, oh you know keep away from me I've got the lurgy and i said don't worry you've got nothing I can catch. And I absolutely know it but its just common for people to say oh no you dont get near me because people believe germs are spread between people It really is so ingrained Its just not the case If I could just come on that a little more Don mentioned the placebo effect

39:19 Now this effect is very well known in the medical establishment and it is so powerful that when they are doing drug trials, they have a placebo pill which is just a sugar pill to test against whatever The drug is that they just manufactured okay but of course when i do what i call a double blind so they have two groups one group to get the new drug too and the other group will get placebo pill. Of course not told thats what it is both thing getting the same truck And they can get surprisingly the same results from both group A and B, even though one's had a drug and the other has had a placebo pill, sugar pill which they thought was the drug. So the placebo effect is very powerful and is used to great extent by the medical establishment today. They will give it people and tell them yes okay you've come into surgery and do believe that this on the other end here's this

40:17 particular drug that people think they're going to get and doctors will administer a placebo pill but of course the patient doesn't know that. And they'll go away quite happy and believe, as they often do say come back and see me in a couple weeks if all is not well because by that time all is well so then never see the patient again So we shouldn't underestimate the placebo effect and as Dawn said this is the belief in something is going to happen and this plays a great part in people. Becoming ill because they think they just been sneezed upon, i mean using that example it's not many years ago when some experiments were done by the medical establishment using groups of men who got

41:06 I think it was influenza and they were bringing in healthy men to sit in front of them whilst the sick person then coughed in their face. It sounds disgusting but this was the experiment that they conducted, to see if they could pass the flu germ through, we're only talking sitting a couple of feet away by coughing straight in the face of the healthy person. And they did this numerous times and not one, not one of the healthy people caught the flu so that starts to tell you there's again it's another one of these holes appears in the idea that you can pass germs through the air to another person in close proximity and give them your flu. There are many cases like this

41:52 Just because this is a particularly interesting one, it shows one of the holes in the medical establishments theories. In the late 19th century Dr Robert Koch some people may have heard off and the medical establishment still use today what are called the Koch postulates okay? Now one of what I think is the most telling of his postulates is that he said that any sick person you should always be able to find the germ in that person that has caused the disease. So whatever it is, let's say it was diphtheria or tuberculosis or something like that... That a person who is sick with it should always be able to find the germ in their system which has caused it. Okay? And that sounds pretty sound reasoning! Yet there are many instances where this is proved not true. Someone lets say they have got tuberculosis but they don't have the... I think its the tuberculin bacteria

42:57 in their body and also the same thing where they done test with people with diphtheria and yet they not got the bacteria in that body so again close big holes in medical establishments theory that you know the germs cause disease when people can have a disease but not have the germ in my body and you actually go to converse of that as well is just more and more of this evidence that you shows the theories are just bad they are totally unproven and totally unscientific yes i think those are great responses and in particular the placebo effect we take a bit in the context of healing but it could also work on the flip side of getting sick if u think your gonna get sick absolutely

43:44 Man time is really flying by here there was something i wanted to get into in the first hour you know before we eclipse that and that is plagues because we have this history. That involves outbreaks like the black plague or smallpox even using it to kill the native americans they talk about or malaria which were told comes from mosquito bites, So in the book you talk about the fact that there have been three major plague outbreaks in history, the plague of Athens and the fifth century. The plague of Justinian and the sixth and the black death in the fourteenth century which was said to have killed fifty million people worldwide. You write in a book

44:23 Fortunately when it comes to the black death several contemporary eyewitness accounts have survived that enable us to have a better understanding of the prevailing conditions which in turn offer a better explanation than that of an infectious bacterial disease. This was so fascinating there's a couple elements here but can you elaborate on, the conventional story and what these eyewitness accounts tell us something happened Yeah, sure. The Black Death is a particularly good one because it was always told as a frightening story to everyone and we were always told it was all to do with the fleas on rats transmitting bacteria to people which then gave them this horrible disease which for the most part people died of

45:12 And this was believed and propagated by the medical establishment and the authorities generally, right up to very recently. Up until a few years ago where various researchers other than us were looking into it and realized that they didn't hold up you know the rat fleas transmitting this bacteria that the whole thing was just a fallacy okay so then the next question is well okay well people are certainly getting ill and dying so what was it? And a guy, Mike Bailey who actually is a dendrochronologist. He's studying tree rings of all things but because of his research I think he was at an Irish university Because of his research he could find out what the atmosphere was in various times in history

46:01 And cutting a very long story short, but if you can get hold of it is a very good book to read called New Light on the Black Death by Mike Bailey. I would recommend it because he's very enlightening but this quite conclusively shows that during the period of the black death, the Earth's atmosphere was highly polluted poisonously so and from the various elements that appeared in the atmosphere these appear in the tree rings which Mike Bailey was able to analyze and show what the levels of pollution were white it was so poisonous it was this is the sort of thing that people would die in go such wide areas and so quickly, there's also a witness accounts you know the seas boiling lots of fish coming to the surface that we're going to surface dead well they said not going to be affected by rap fleas you know so he's quite obvious there with something else happening

46:59 The evidence definitely points to a poisoned atmosphere which seems to have been caused, again the records support this by comet debris entering the Earth's atmosphere and poisoning it. That is the short story which then fits in with all of these other strange experiences as people seeing sort of very dark and stinking atmospheres dropping down dead, rivers and lakes becoming polluted killing all fish And this has much more credence, again with Mike Bailey's work of a worldwide or certainly widespread around the world poisoned atmosphere rather than anything to do with fleas on rats. So again, very interesting subject

47:50 Indeed in fact his book is called new light on the black death the cosmic connection and the quote you have in your book is that he, you gotta says no look there really isn't enough information about comments and earthquakes and ammonium to be conclusive but it is quite a serious suggestion that the black death was due. Do impact by comet debris on january twenty fifth thirteen forty eight and i just think that's really interesting you talk about ice cores and of course is tree rings backing this up but there was some environmental issue that was much bigger than invisible virus, add to go back to the rats then you talk about anthropologist barney sloan and he says excavations in the city of london have turned out very little evidence of a mass rat die off

48:41 coinciding with the plague. So, the story we have—the evidence for it isn't there yet we do have this other collection of evidence that is not in the official story that seems to be a giant contributor but i guess the question that i would still have this ok so comment came and meet your came in, i've heard people talk about those containing viruses what what kind of poisons do you think. That would contain that would cause this kinda situation if not a virus or some kinda foreign bacteria we also have the thing about people traveling internationally the conquistadors the colonialists bringing over diseases of americans were ready for and that could be a cover story because it's like hey we didn't wanna kill them all they just got sick i don't know what to do but what are your thoughts on some of these things yeah that is certainly the cover story because again referring to another extremely important book called american holocaust by doctor david stanard

49:45 he has undertaken quite a lot of research and put together an extremely important book showing how lots of contemporary evidence about what happened when the conquistadors arrived on the shores. Obviously, you've got to be careful now because you're in America but really what happened was pretty brutal And it's possibly a good idea to say, oh well they just bought their diseases because then it kind of diverts attention away from some of the more horrific aspects of what happened. Because the invaders wanted the gold

50:27 and they push people off their land so people want to go to any more than. I'm pushing to gold mines and that's particularly what is known to be particularly horrendous plantations slaves on plantations, some of these horrendous acts are put one side because i said no it was smallpox Now, we do talk about smallpox quite a bit in the book because it's the first disease for which vaccines were developed. And again that's down to a chemist Edward Jenner rather than a doctor and the whole idea that smallpox was caused by some kind of germ although at the time it wasn't part of the germ theory but the idea that smallpox could be prevented by vaccines

51:14 But it was the first disease that was thought to be contagious. Well, let me just come in on this because Dool mentioned earlier a book about the American Holocaust for the whole of the Americas you know although it happened at different times in South America when they conquistadors moved in but something very similar happened then in North America when and the British moved in but in both cases Particularly in South America with the conquistadors, that occupation was particularly brutal. And Dr Stanard goes into it in quite revealing detail and is quite hard reading to see what went off what is based on his eyewitness accounts but yeah the people were slaughtered in large numbers chased off their land so people then dying of starvation so all of the normal so-called diseases come

52:02 represented with severe malnutrition. But worse than that, the conquistadors enslaved what people they could catch and because they were only there for the gold and silver so they were forced into the mines as slave labor many of them died because one of the things that can question doors always seem to get idea to them is there was lots of native people around so they didn't need to bother feeding. Is the people died and we just disposed off and i bought more paper in hard to believe on but there's evidence to support this So they were responsible for almost wiping out the entire population of South America and up through the islands surrounding it. And it was nothing to do with them bringing their diseases over, but its much easier to talk about oh yeah well, the conquistadors came across you know they didn't know that these diseases and you know the local population

52:54 didn't have any immunity and they died off, you know most regrettable but not really our fault sort of thing really rather than facing the brutal facts of what they actually did to the local inhabitants which was horrific. I mean these people these conquistadors who sort of came up against the local inhabitants i mean they had things like armored dogs which were trained to literally chase people down and rip them apart and they use these to hunt down the local populace. I mean, i won't go on into this in too much detail but if anyone wants to know what a real holocaust is about then have a read of what happened in South America The True Story which as I say has nothing to do with smallpox or any other disease it's to do with

53:40 pure brutality and wholesale slaughter of people, and mass starvation. And those were the real killers of what happened in South America. Something very similar happened in North America too with the North American natives Well that definitely makes sense to me i think that's a really great breakdown and we do have this long history of were told diseases and viruses so the conversation can quickly turn into how do we explain the situation i will explain that situation, add there does have to be some answer and clearly i feel like your book lays out some really great alternatives for every case and

54:19 i did wanna add restore that first hour try to throw in something about corona virus i mean before we talked about the black death it's like yeah comment or media came and disguise and waters were very clearly contaminated this is a big thing you can still find entry rings today apparently so, Obviously that was a giant environmental thing maybe they didn't know it was going on at that time depth but, corona virus today people are seemingly getting sick i'm totally on board with the idea that the media is blowing this up. A lot bigger than maybe it needs to be but how do we explain what's happening to people in this situation

54:58 Okay, well again we need to just cast our minds back as to where we started with this conversation about how we are told by the establishment and propagated by the media various stories about things. As we mentioned earlier whether it's 9-11 or JFK assassination or even start of Vietnam War We're told things that then subsequently turn out not to be true And we've had these various virus scares before whether it's or even hiv and we talk quite a bit about HIV aids and how that prove not to be i mean in the eighties, i'm old enough to know when this all started and we were told this was gonna be scared of the earth millions and millions of people are gonna die and things will never be the same again well obviously that never transpired

55:48 And we can talk more about HIV and AIDS because that's another fallacy that has been put out. What the true causes of that disease is, we can talk about later if we have time So we're told a lot of information which subsequently proves not to be true and I firmly believe, and i think many people are latching onto it now that this coronavirus thing is yet another one of those. And I think, and this is me speculating now slightly that what we could be witnessing here is what people may know as a PSYOP We know from all the things that we've just been talking about it's certainly nothing to do with a virus so we're gonna ask yourself what is happening.

56:28 But we have to also ask ourselves is what's coming out through the media and that's all we got a go on is it actually true are these numbers of people that are suddenly becoming ill, is it true the number of people dying is it true if there are people dying what do they really don't know you know they could be all sorts of things that were not being told. And as we know in china i have not got the best records for containing their pollution so we could have within that area and it's all centered in wuhan is one area, we might have to look at what the industry is round there what sort of factories and things.

57:08 are we witnessing an escape of certain pollutants which has happened in the world before, in different countries and killed thousands of people? Thinking of one in India. The Bhopal incident So I think that was eventually shown to be union carbide with an escape of some of its noxious materials which wiped out thousands. And we could be looking at something similar to that but as someone very wisely said, it's much easier to blame a virus because you can't sue a virus but you can sue a chemical company and it could be simple as that so people need to be very careful about accepting information given out by the authorities.

57:52 So that's one thing and the other is as we know, I'm sure many of you listeners are quite aware of various globalist agendas shall we say for world control. And we could be looking at a social experiment here seeing how they can lock down the country in fact lockdown the world if they get their way and scare people into believing something again blaming virus which we talked about and see just how far it can go with it And on the back of this, as many people are already fearing they're racing to produce a vaccine for this coronavirus. And what's the betting that they're going to try and make it compulsory? So bring in compulsory vaccination not only just in a country but you know their extreme dream come true! They can bring it into have compulsory vaccination worldwide I mean that certainly is a dream of the vaccine makers and we could be witnessing something like that

58:51 I mean you've only got to look at some of the things that have gone off with the coronavirus. It's been made law in China that everyone has to wear one of these masks which is what everyone wearing and yet even doctors in this country have admitted Because they believe in viral infections that you know remember viruses are so small tiny tiny tiny things you can only see with an electron microscope. So these mask would be if it was a viral infection would be no use whatsoever the virus will pass straight through it and infect the person, if that were the case and yet here we have a country now basically under martial law and everyone has to wear a mask even though their own scientists know that would do no good whatsoever. So it just shows the nonsense that's being talked and put out

59:37 Something we have to be very very careful in believing what the media tellers remembering that the media are just mouthpieces they don't have any. Technical ability of their own this and you don't do any proper research they just do what they told me given script announced it to the public and i was hoping ghost There are suggestions and some reports as well that the coronavirus may be a bio-weapon, and we need to stop that one in its tracks as well because obviously a virus being a non-living particle cannot be made into something that... A weapon. Well, some kind of weapon yes it cannot be weaponized That doesn't mean that certain particles cannot be poisoned with chemicals and turned into something that's then aerosol spraying into the atmosphere this is something that's extremely toxic that people can become ill with now the first cases

1:00:35 of coronavirus and I think most of them are cases that affect their respiratory system. And, I think...I read the first 99 cases were people who also had or people who had pneumonia so if they've got pneumonia then I don't know why they need to find some other kind of virus Or can you have some other kind of virus but if something has affected their spiritual system is definitely something in the atmosphere environment that people are sleeping in the car. that's something that is really bad affecting their lungs, the respiratory and obviously the symptoms that come with it are all this coughing sneezing fever because the body is trying to expel these poisons. So if it is some kind of poison in the atmosphere whether its been intentionally put in there whether the idea of a bio weapon is another aspect of the psyop

1:01:30 It's not possible to say, but these are all sorts of ideas and they could be being put out just to see how the public react. To see how far they can go with these ideas and I know this is probably quite radical but the point is that it's not anything to do with a virus that can be spread that's going to be the next pandemic, the next HIV AIDS disaster, Black Death disaster, the next 1918 flu disaster because again we can talk about that if you want to but you know these are called massive pandemics and none of them are as we're told. So we don't know what it is they're trying to do but just be very very careful and people should try not to be fearful of a virus. Because it certainly isn't that whatever else he might be it's certainly not a virus right

1:02:25 Well, definitely a lot to unpack because this overall germ bacteria virus theory it affects so many different areas and as we're starting to wrap this thing up I want i want to reiterate again the four factors that you have talked about in the book and earlier that would be the causes for us getting sick bad nutrition toxic exposure electromagnetic radiation any of my exposure and then stress those be the fourth things actually get people sick and the solutions to keeping us healthy

1:03:00 Or in a healthy state would be basically to avoid these four factors and we did mention doctor caroline dean and her book death by modern medicine earlier she also has a book called the magnesium miracle and, quote that it is a comprehensive guide to one of the most essential but often overlooked minerals magnesium which guards against helps to alleviate heart disease stroke austral process diabetes depression arthritis and asthma and that's just interesting i mean sometimes eating right isn't as easy as it sounds. Can you elaborate as were ending this thing on techniques to stay healthy or vitamins and minerals that you think are most crucial to staying in a healthy state

1:03:45 Again, the short answer is yes. She's absolutely right magnesium along with many other minerals and vitamins are essential for the body but we would disagree that you need any large amounts of it. The amount of magnesium a healthy body needs is very very tiny and he's easily assimilated from the plants that you eat. Okay, now we'd already mentioned earlier that we recommend a plant-based diet vegan if you can do it but would also recommend that you try as much as you can to get organically grown food and reason for this is The food that you get from your supermarket or wherever is not organic, the chances are it's been grown in ground which has had chemical fertilizers on it which deplete the ground of natural minerals particularly things like magnesium. So the plant

1:04:39 in its growth has not been able to take in all of the nutrients that you would normally have and so then it's unable to pass those on, the humans eating them. But if you are buying organic food, of course those types of chemical fertilizers are not allowed in soil and soil has passed certain tests to be healthy So then the food that's grown in it is healthy and a person eating that food will have all the nutrients, vitamins and minerals that they need. They do not need to take any additional supplements And in most cases unfortunately the supplements people would buy from their local health shop because they're artificially made In most cases they are either not easily assimilated by the body or not assimilated at all so you sort of wasting your money really

1:05:28 The best and most perfect way to get all the nutrients you need is to just have a healthy diet with plenty of fresh fruit and vegetables, which ideally are grown organically. And the less you cook them, the more nutrients they retain. The rules to a healthy body are very simple but they're also quite strict. That's what you need to do! Any compromise on that will compromise your health, it's as simple as that. Fair totally fair and Obviously we threw out some radical stuff today so really bold claims and you say in the book prove us wrong investigate yourself whether any virus has been conclusively proven to be the cause of any infectious disease, any investigation of this nature should involve contact with the organizations that claim viruses to be the cause of disease ask them the following questions.

1:06:28 Is there an electron micrograph of the pure and fully characterized virus? What is the name of the primary specialist peer-reviewed paper in which the virus is illustrated, and its full genetic information described. And what is the name of the primary publication that provides proof that a particular virus is the sole cause of a particular disease Ask those questions and I guess you guys are confident that the listeners would not get any conclusive answers. Absolutely, we've been asking that question of many doctors and people for some years now and no one has been able to produce that evidence. And as we mentioned earlier Dr Stephan Lanker

1:07:13 Ask the same question in a court of law in germany only few years ago and no one can provide that proof so they have it, my biggest lie we've ever been told. Yeah, and he's certainly responsible for probably more deaths. I often remember a quote from Napoleon you know the French general who is quoted as saying to one of his physicians that one day we'll be seeing that you physicians are responsible for more deaths than all those generals put together. And i think very wise words Yes very wise words indeed and it does make me also think about all the generals like napoleon who traveled all over the world, add didn't die of malaria or whatever whatever but yes.

1:08:02 And before we go you guys have also written together before under the pseudonym and are for nature of reality, add i don't know if you moved on from there but you do have a couple books out under that collective name and i was a bit curious about your twenty ten book the nature of reality exploring the mind body spirit math you have chapters like the true nature of time that talks about how you can learn to manipulate it insights into reincarnation and death understanding dreams even a section called the magical approach to living, add i know that surely an entire interview on its own.

1:08:41 own but i wanted to at least let people know that was out there and if you have any cliff notes or an elevator pitch for that book are there any parts of think when interest people does it tie into the things we talked about today in any interesting way. In a way, yes. I mean congratulations to you Greg for your research! But yes that was some years ago but the Nature of Reality book is probably one of the first works that Dawn and i did because we were fascinated about as most people are what is life about? Is this some sort of biological accident that we're here or is there purpose to life what happens when do you die

1:09:19 Do the religions of the world have any truth in them? It's all pretty important stuff really. And that's really what that book is about, so yes you're quite right it's a good few hours talk all on its own but it covers many things including probably some small way of What health is all about as well as what life is all about. Also it was part of the research in compiling that book, that made us realize the power of beliefs and again referring to Bruce Lipton The biology of belief and how your belief actually can affect your health or body so you know the message really is not be fearful of viruses and bacteria they are not your enemies but yes certainly what you believe and what do you think

1:10:06 They're quite powerful. And I guess if you're going to carry anything from the nature of reality book, it is just how powerful beliefs are and you know how empowering they can be and good they can be but also they sort of negative beliefs just how bad that can be as you did actually mention yourself earlier on in this discussion. We sorta show that quite a bit in our book but he's also talked about true nature reality which we say is far stranger than you could possibly imagine So, yes it is a small book but highly recommended of course to your listeners.

1:10:43 Very cool very cool well are there any links or contact information to leave people with anything about getting this book that we've talked about today they should know. Well it's the simplest going on to amazon either dot com or dot uk or any any amazons really wherever you are in the world, it's on their side you can just put it names or you can just put in what really makes you will and the book will come up. It's got quite a distinctive cover with Rodin's sculpture, The Thinker on the front so it is quite distinctive. It's available in Kindle versions as well as paperback versions? Yes people may want to the electronic copy which is I have to say quite a bit cheaper but has the same information of course So people can get whichever is most convenient and most affordable to them

1:11:32 i can also look for other books written under a pseudonym at the time which was in a while since the nature of reality there reasons for that but yeah it's probably easy to look without one and exploding the mind body spirit. That seems to bring it up more easier than going into just the nature of reality so exploding the mind body spirit myth by a new all get a good read. Right on right on so yeah this is been a real pleasure are there any plans to work on future books together any topics you're gonna turn your attention to next

1:12:11 Yeah, yes certainly. We've got a few ideas! We probably have about four books planned that we're working on. Outlines yeah? But yeah only outlines but...we wanted to deal more with geopolitics and the world banking system which is responsible for a lot of problems so I know people have written various bits about it but we're trying to pull all of the stuff together in one book that will explain to people just what's going on how the world is really run who are the power players and hopefully what we can do about it to protect ourselves from their extravagances another one is possibly involving real problems with the environment and how the environmental movement has been completely hijacked by this whole

1:13:01 global warming, climate change, climate agenda whatever it is. It's diverting attention away from the real problems that are going on in the environment as you said quite early on There are lots and lots of problems within the environment, and they're not being addressed. They certainly not being addressed by carbon taxes that's for sure Yes yes well all good stuff I look forward to the next book let me know when it comes out we'll definitely have to speak again in the future And my mind is thoroughly blown. Lots of really interesting info and research talked about today, I very much appreciate the work you've done. I think we should be questioning everything we think we know and today we definitely did that so thanks again and take care! Thank you. Thank You Greg all the best

1:13:52 Well oh my my Hireside Shadows we are poking the bear today. Bold show, very bold show but we like it bold right? Big thanks to Dawn and David for their very interesting work having read the book it is really impressive I do appreciate that boldness their whole prove me wrong challenge But the truth is that two hours is just not enough time to make this case. It's so foundational to our thinking, it really covers the scope of the entire medical field and that's probably too big for any single conversation I don't know exactly where I stand on one hand you must be skeptical of the medical system because of everything it's done to discredit natural cures and nutrition-based health

1:14:43 Nutrition is a much bigger deal than the way it's presented, at least in this country. And petrochemicals are just a side hustle of the oil-everything Rockefeller elite! It's definitely not giving you the best unbiased care and that's a huge problem We know they're lying to us just don't know to what degree I also agree that the field itself isn't that advanced It wasn't long ago their best efforts would be considered barbaric even to the most conventional of thinkers. The history of medicine is full of dark quackery, lobotomies bloodletting rudimentary surgeries with no anesthesia Even something like circumcision is based on this fallacy that children don't feel pain Like there are some stupid ideas that are considered normal in academia things that are pretty counterintuitive

1:15:39 And we know the history of several vaccines, including the original polio vaccine is pretty dark as well. Polio is another one of those diseases that people think was eradicated by other means more so than the vaccine that gets all the credit We know about SV40 and that's another thing what do they think of SV40? Did the simian virus in the polio vaccine cause cancer Ed Haslam thinks so, and I've been a big fan of his book Dr. Mary's Monkey and that whole research thread And it's also true that like they say there's plenty of good useful necessary bacteria But is all bacteria positive and helpful? I'm not so sure What is Salmonella isn't that bacteria Is there really no disease or virus that can make us sick? Is contagiousness not a thing

1:16:34 I don't think i'm there yet, but it's useful to talk about this sort of stuff in the wake of a major virus scare. Because I fully agree that you should be less scared not more and the guests are right that there are major psyop elements major media hype elements and a ton of disinformation But on the other hand It does seem like people are getting sick Are these all supposed to be actors? Granted I do only see this through screens But if I had to guess, this coronavirus thing is the release of a bioweapon. Either on accident or on purpose. I'm not sure to which degree our guests would consider something like a bioweapon possible—that might be how they define vaccines—but even if all bacteria are naturally beneficial can it be altered in a lab? Like I said still so many questions!

1:17:31 I had one friend of mine mention that in Chinese government labs, the scientists commonly sell their animals after testing. Could they have injected an animal with something and then it was sold at that market? And then consumed? Seems possible... It's good to be really cautious when you're talking about such a serious subject. I would never want to lead people astray, and i'm clearly not even smart enough to know How much validity to put in this kind of stuff so you need to think for yourself i'm just presenting with an alternative that you probably wouldn't have heard anywhere else. I wanna make sure that we're not giving people bad information that they just run with and i think our guests would agree with that too, they did all the research and because of that research they are certain about his conclusion

1:18:24 And they also encourage all of you to do your own research like any good guest should who's confident in their position. So I don't know if they are exactly over the target with their conclusions, but they have a lot of great data and i think they're much closer than anyone who's telling you to stock up on canned goods and water! It is awfully curious how many conditions like say autoimmune conditions for example When we do shows on certain nutrient solutions or iodine or red light therapy, the laundry list of conditions that these things help is so long that you have to wonder if maybe the way we define all these conditions is wrong. It's not 10 different autoimmune conditions it's ten different ways your body can react to a lack of x y or z. You see the distinction there?

1:19:25 It's also curious how when you look at these major human die offs in history there is a reasonable alternative explanation or lack of surviving evidence for the official story. In several of these cases we only got to talk about a few but their book is full of them and that is i think one of the best things about their book so i'm intrigued and i would have this conversation again I mean, Patrick Jordan is somebody we've talked to twice in the past who would probably be pretty aligned with Don and David. His whole thing is the serum sickness postulate that disease in the modern world starts with vaccines—that it's all vaccine damage from psoriasis to fibromyalgia to cancer to autism. Don't inject kids with chemical cocktails and this won't happen!

1:20:18 I think there's a case to be made that that's why people like Bill Gates and the CDC are so obsessed with getting their vaccines down into the depths of Africa. We have to obscure the data, and make sure we infiltrate any natural control groups that people can look at. There is something real sketchy going on there! But like most things my simple stoner mind thinks that truth is usually somewhere in the middle But the notion that illness comes from the four factors of bad nutrition, toxic exposure, EMF radiation and stress? I think that's a great way to live. Even if those are the causes for 90% of it and not 100%. It is closer to truth than a system that tries to say its all random while shoving junk food, GMOs, geoengineering, corporate chemicals rampant pollution several dozen vaccines and 5G down our throats

1:21:17 And saying, well we don't know why we have the rising rates of everything and why everyone's sick. We haven't cured anything in forever but don't look at any of these things that we are responsible for and put the blame there. And we know how powerful the mind is There is also something to that point about a reverse placebo effect If a sugar pill is enough to make some people believe they're healed so it was right philosophy So, consider all this when you're inundated with coronavirus paranoia and do your own research. But if you liked hearing Dawn and David, do let them know! Do let me know! Do we want to hear more? Should we have them back to unpack this again? I would like to know. I expect this to be fairly divisive because it is so extreme

1:22:12 But of course, like every episode we have a second hour for our precious Precious Plus members. Sign up at thehighersidechats.com Double your THC pleasure double your THC fun! In today's episode we throw several more interesting logs on the fire We get into the motivations The reasons for the deception The economics of it all and the control mechanisms And of course Agenda 2030 We talk about travel vaccines and malaria And they made an excellent point about having billions of dollars and all this energy poured into fighting malaria and tropical diseases through vaccines, but that same amount of money is not spent on just getting them clean water and clean stable food sources. I think that's something we all agree would be a better use of that money instead of just letting them be the guinea pigs for these chemical cocktails that only benefit the private piggy banks at Big Pharma

1:23:12 But they also broke down the immune system fallacy, SRIs, psychiatric drugs and the brain chemistry imbalance deception. There's no way to test brain chemistry yet so many people are taking very serious drugs under the pretenses that theirs is off We also talked about over-the-counter drugs and how risky they really are So all good useful stuff we learn more every day And I think it's worth your time to get that second hour but what do i know That said, take care of you and yours. Pick up a copy of Dawn & David's great book What Really Makes You Ill if you want to go whole hog? And I'll see ya next time! I've done my part Your move disease deceivers friends of big pharma and dark sorcerers of the modern medical system your fucking move. You know the plan has always been to hack your brain

1:24:08 MKUltra's trying to drive you insane They'll explode your heart if they think that's what it takes You think I'm answering the phone, well I ain't You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking you're at home Well you're not. You should tape the mail slot And baby if I seem withdrawn Let me say it's cause' I just don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that The trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just the game plan, it's what the world's become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know

1:24:58 You're better keeping on your own cause you can see The masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself I hope you know the elite aren't your friends They'll suck out everything from you in the end And if for some reason you think I might be wrong, I wonder where you got that opinion from You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking your at home Well your not. You should tape the mail slot

1:25:48 And baby if I seem withdrawn Let me say it's cause' I just don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that The trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just the game plan, it's what the world's become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know You're better keeping on your own cause you can see Masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself Da da da da da da da Da da da da da da da Da da da da da da da

1:26:46 You might think that these problems are small Or maybe they aren't registering at all Now they know you're naive and vulnerable You won't believe all of the stunts that they'll pull Cause you can see the masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It isn't You can only trust yourself Cause you can see the masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself

1:27:43 And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself