Dana Kippel | A New Force: Plasma, Consciousness, & The New Human Potential

00:00 Goodness gracious, Ironside Chatters. Doing what we do from the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and when it comes to the many mysteries we might explore from ether physics and exotic energy systems to expanded states of consciousness and high strangeness experiences with bizarre beings

01:13 What if a major reason we're still wondering about these things without being able to settle on any solid conclusions is because we lack a complete picture of the nature of reality itself? Even conventional science says 99% of all matter in the universe is plasma, and yet we go through two decades of schooling where it's barely even mentioned. Maybe it's worth asking if there is an intentionally engineered ignorance around plasma, because it IS the missing context required to understand a wide range of unknowns across a full spectrum of alternative topics. It's certainly hard to solve a puzzle with such a big piece missing and thankfully today's guest Dana Kipple has exactly what we need! She's a self-described plasma nerd whose incarnation into this round of the human story seems almost faded...

01:56 Not only was her birth father struck by lightning a mere three months before her conception, but she's had experiences with entities since a young age and an intense trauma-triggered download experience in more recent years left her with an overwhelming amount of psychological stress. scientific and esoteric knowledge about plasma's role in pretty much everything. That she has taken now four years to properly unpack, and has now methodically had transcribed through her 800-page superbook A New Force Plasma Consciousness And The New Human Potential We've gotten our hands on different parts of the elephant with guests like Aaron Murakami Eric Dollard Dr Greg Little Andrew Collins Dr Joseph Farrell Dan Winter Wal Thornhill David Talbot George Wiseman and Kosh

02:39 But consider this the Dumbo drop of plasma interviews here. She is the plasma polymath puzzle solver Cosmic information teacher and liaison for a lady plasma Dana welcome to the higher side Wait, am I also the first girl to talk about plasma? I think so. Yeah obviously that series was a bit of a sausage fest This is a real pleasure i've been interested in so many topics that seem disconnected but the Commonality the further you dig seems to be plasma it keeps coming up

03:15 And I know that you refer to the stuff that you talk about as a bit of a knowing. You do research, like clearly you do research but it also comes to you in another form. Talk to us about that because the download experience in general is probably the thing I'm most interested in and people who have those experiences usually can't talk about them all that well. Yeah okay so the knowing Yes, I do. I hate using the word downloads because everyone uses it but i don't know how else to say basically how it works is if I try, it doesn't work. And it's just something like, I don't know what guiding me throughout my day where for instance, I'll think about, I want to know today about hydrogen and then I can I curse? Yeah. Okay. Today for instance, I wanted to think about hydrogen cause I didn't know much about it and I shit you not all of a sudden

04:13 I first looked up something about hydrogen plasma and then the science fiction book I gave you, I opened up to a page that was talking about mythology in hydrogen. So it's things like that. It's just like... I feel like nature and reality talks to you. And when your intention is, to me connected with your heart and soul or your destiny things reveal themselves to you so i just consider myself open and very focused and I listen to what I see and then I use discernment after So I like to...I think it's called negative capability this is from the 1700s This guy, his name was William Keats talked about it but its basically

04:56 being open without grasping. So yeah, somehow I just get information that way and as far as how the plasma information came to me Had no intention but to feel better so that is what's so beautiful about plasma and My unique angle on like mental health and connection is I just wanted to feel connected because I haven't felt connected my entire life too even myself reality people whatever and Plasma came into my head when I had the intention of wanting to feel better and connected. So I think that's pretty cool, right? Right on right on. Yeah when it comes to your personal story and how the book came to be relevant details Obviously I said some of this in the intro, but your father was struck by lightning like 90 days before conception yeah you also see

05:44 entities or you, you even still I guess. But as a kid he used to see entities and this is one of the things like the notion that they are reflexive of what our emotional state is has always kind of been out there but this is your experience right from childhood to now still having a connection to entities they have changed as your attitude about them has changed 100% and For instance, even last night I because I get I'm sure a lot of your listeners can relate to this. I can get stuck sometimes in what you could call a

06:21 pendulum or an egregore I get stuck in this thought bubble of oh because what i'm doing is you know risky and revolutionary, someone's gonna come kill me because that has happened. But I also remember there are so many people who have not been killed who've done amazing things and it's I think its a self-fulfilling prophecy and this will get somewhere but last night I was in that state of fear for whatever reason it still plagues me from time to time cause im human and basically I was feeling Like I didn't, I don't always see them now but i was feeling darker entities in my room and I knew I was resonating with that because of fear. The second thank god for therapy I was able to resonate with a all I simply said no ritual or anything I would like to be the frequency of love and the frequency of a timeline where I'm safe

07:11 and I don't get killed, and then I'll be fine. And I know this sounds crazy but that's how my mind works. And right away it's like the energy in the room changed whatever entities were there were love. And I had this revelation and I might've put this in my book, I might not have but in the edit I'm going to. I feel like plasma as our cosmic mother always when we feel fear wants to give us a warm hug and parents when we feel fear hold us tighter So if plasma is reflecting my fear and she's trying to help me, the more I feel fear, the more she's going to grip me. And I'm going to freak out. So when I'm able to it, it's like almost like the Calvary is not coming. We can save ourselves when I can switch my attitude on my own. No one's gonna help me with that then she will reflect love and immediately I feel supportive instead of squeezed to death. So it's kind of, it's just funny. It's I know it's anthropomorphizing her but it really is how it works. No, I think that makes sense.

08:06 Health guests say that You know, they put a lot of the symptoms that we have in the context of a healing response. And then I've had people say actually you know, a healing response can kill you if your body is working so hard to heal. So maybe your fever goes to one Oh five one oh six year healing response can kill you. So yeah like scary Yeah like Lenny and the rabbit you know you can love too much you can try to heal too much Yes yes i want to know a little more about the download experience Like it was triggered from trauma I've heard you talk about this before I think it was relationship trauma and that, you know, spiraled into a big trauma tunnel. Yes. What was the download? Like when did it trigger and like, was it like just uh, an instantaneous thing? Was it on out of body thing? Um, I guess it was a gradual thing. So I mean the trauma sounds so silly but once again, I hate him. I'm not comparing myself to like Carl young or any of these inventors who are really famous but

09:04 We're all human and what I think people struggle with most is relationships. So it's just kind of embarrassing that other people like Jason Paget, the acquired savant his trauma is like being beat up in the head and becoming a genius my heart was broken and I became a genius so but I think it's...I didn't really become a genius but I connected with myself The way that happened was very simply, and it's so embarrassing. And sorry ex-boyfriend but it is my truth... Is that my ex boyfriend wanted to be in like an open relationship Don't they all? I don't they all especially when they're 25 and you date someone 10 years younger because your silly And I will say though, he said that in the beginning of the relationship and it was COVID. And I agreed because I thought we would never see people again and I was lying but then a year into it, I told him I didn't want to right? And I was honest so then three months later after that, I find texts on his phone and he was sexting girls. So now this sounds silly but it really is what happened for some reason because I really never thought

10:04 I thought I could really trust him. Like, I've been betrayed by so many people and I had 100% trust in him which I know I shouldn't have had but I did because I was like oh he's at least open about his feelings when I found those texts and it sounds crazy of them planning to meet up my heart broke more than any other time it broke ever and when I had that heartbreak I don't know what it felt also like an awakening, all this trauma rush back of me feeling disconnected when I was maybe adopted as a little baby. Not ever feeling very connected with my parents always feeling like this monster and all these feelings of self-hate throughout my addiction when I was younger so it's just everything that you're discussing your not good enough

10:55 all came back at once and that's when I was so desperate to make the pain stop and i wasn't going to go back to you know using drugs or drinking. And, I was like I'm gonna try transcendental meditation! Yeah, I went to – I'm almost at the start of this long-winded. But I went to take a TM course and that's how it started. I don't do it much anymore but somehow my first time meditating I had a very blissful experience. The second time I felt like I was in the pits of hell and then I think it was between the third and seventh time that this plasma thing came to me so anyway that was the gradual So a plasma thing came to you. Were you at home? Did it, did you see it come to you? Yes. Okay. It's hard explain. Um, especially cause like my memory is not that reliable. Um, no one says so all I can remember as I was sitting in Los Angeles and my apartment at my computer desk, I had a post-it note

11:52 And I was meditating and I think, I saw the infinity symbol either in my head or right after. And then I didn't hear the words but I just knew all of a sudden like plasma. And then I was like plasma is intelligent, plasma's answer to lot of things? Like I don't know and then I connected that infinity symbol with plasma. I wrote down this infinity symbol and then I connected it like a half donut Like if the infinity symbol and then you connect it, I was like oh well that's a Taurus. And then I started just making all these weird connections that lasted for four years. It's like I knew so much in an instant and it took four years to bring back down to earth but that's the only way to describe it right on. So it sounds a little like Philip K Dick's experience If you've heard that one he was focused on a symbol

12:43 blew his head open and he went down the rabbit hole of just having all this information and then trying to get it out. So let's get into plasma itself, you say the conventional scientific definition is way too limiting surprise surprise but a better definition is a living ether elaborate on the definition for people so they know what we're talking about because reading your book It just sounds like it's ubiquitous with everything Yes. We can I say something about Philip K Dick? Yes, just because there is a huge similarity and difference with us that is important for anyone to know that's because more and more people are going to have these things happen here

13:23 He, what I've observed and most people including myself for a very long time don't have the nervous system for this kind of light or knowledge because of trauma is very hard to hold things this expansive so it results usually in isolation addiction paranoia. such good care of my mental health because of how much fear and intense energy comes with this. And I wish he did that too, and I'm not saying anything bad about him cause I struggle with the same mental health stuff but I'm saying that it's very important to take care of your nervous system. And then I think that's where the disconnect was with him and maybe why some people say he went a little bit off the deep end so I just wanted to share that. I think that makes sense. Yes. Good clean nervous system health.

14:10 Okay, what is the question with plasma? What is plasma basically. What's a more nuanced understanding of it? What came from the download? Um okay... A lot but and I've been able to put in like human words so yeah plasma instead of uh the scientific definition an ionized gas you know free electrons and positive ions it's almost like a soup Yes, that's in science. Basically it also means that instead of something solid – I mean plasma is all around us – if you really think about it and my expanded version of a living ether is basically like hey there is a finer plasma that maybe we cannot see or haven't had the tools to test yet and as above so below just like at

14:54 base reality is quark-gluon plasma what came right after the so called Big Bang or I call big birth or What happens in the CERN colliders when that comes out of basically everything? Just like that makes up our reality. What makes up the subconscious reality, I think is also a plasma It's just a finer plasma That makes it I mean when we dream there has to be some some kind of substance Like what the F is it So anyway, I started kind of putting that all together and realizing that it's all just a spectrum of plasma down even humans which are more dense plasma. It's like if it's a plasma ocean we're each a bubble and we have our own kind of bioplasma in the torus and our aura and yeah...

15:38 Turtles all the way down. Plasma's all the way down Yes, I like that and I think that's a good analogy your book is full of good analogies But yeah to say we are bubbles in an ocean explains how there's a larger plasma and a smaller Set of individuals that are out So when it comes to the beans that you see that people see that we call angels or demons or aliens? I've heard you talk about this And it makes a lot of sense. Like you have a pretty good breakdown of what people are seeing. Let us have it there basically are I've categorized them even though they're hard to categorize into 5D and 4d, I feel like and they all use usually what I find is this pool of like four d plasma almost as

16:24 Robert Temple's it uses the word overcoats with plasma but like clay overcoat if you picture like The singularity of a black hole and something coming through the event horizon and that cloaking them And then coming into this reality, that's the easiest way to explain it as a visual So when like 5d beans which are just beings have intelligence. I think there may be like mix of our Kind of like future selves. I don't really claim to know but they seem to be guiding us whatever people see them as and i feel like when they come To, us some people may have an experience where they seem a sacred geometry or holographic mists

17:01 or they might come as an angel, or any kind of cultural symbol that person is comfortable with. They actually respond to our nervous system. That can come to us in any moment in times of grief love whatever it doesn't really matter I feel where we're resonating and just kinda like what's meant almost divinely to come to us Then there are the 4D plasma beings. So these also come in these overcoats and we can see them as demons, as aliens, as witches, shadow people, angels, as well as dikinis whatever you can see them

17:38 based on what you grew up in, in your culture or your spiritual beliefs. Or sometimes just what you saw on TV like I had sleep paralysis that a basketball player threw his head at me because I think I was watching basketball the night before so that they're all kind of yeah just coming to whatever's like familiar to us I guess? Like what our nervous system can handle so we don't go actually insane even though some of them can be very scary And these 4D beings are beings not of intelligence, they're of information. They come to you with what you're resonating so if I'm resonating in fear, I will probably attract those and there will be two types of information. There'll be unconscious information from other people like demons like real demons that people made up and everyone believes in them but now they're like real entities like those can come to people in really dark times. You can also have something come to you

18:30 that has to do with your trauma and will remind you of your trauma, that's like a scary being or whatever. But they're all to grow you and if we can keep that in mind that this is all for our evolution the intelligence or the information underneath it, depending on if it's like 5D or 4D. When we can open to the real truth inside and not let our perspectives reflect off that plasma that's when it gets really interesting and you know people have gnosis and think of new inventions Become thought leaders blah blah blah. So yeah, if that's hopefully I'm making friggin sense Jesus. Yeah, I get nervous no me too and I've done this for so long but

19:14 I love the idea that they are spirits inside a plasma sheath and that this plasma is a neutral medium. These are quotes from your book, programmed with benevolence from these higher beings it reflects things on one level so the way you come to it shapes the experience on a deeper level you say will reveal more hidden truths And this is another quote. So you say, there's a fascinating area of study I came across that may explain why we see UAPs and UFOs as metallic disks in the sky. It's called the Jellium model. Explain that?

19:49 If I can remember everything, I wrote about the Jellium model. But I believe that in the Jellium models steel and certain metals have very similar properties to plasma. I've not researched it in depth but when I... The way I kind of view it in my mind if I don't know if I'm right or wrong is when we see UFOs as steel they're just like very dense or sped up plasma And or there's some type of metal that's not from this earth. That is plasma It is like a just a plasma that looks metallic that is like, you know Like Lockheed Martin has that's kind of like shape-shifting metal I mean those all have ionized behaviors so they're

20:29 Literally all plasmas. But yeah, the Jellium model for people to look up there's a wealth of knowledge in there and if I had a PhD i could say it in a more elegant way. I mean I could just read a quote that makes it easy too so this is why come prepared people but The jellium model describes a sea of free moving electrons within metals which gives rise to conductivity interestingly this mirrors the nature plasma where charged particles move freely and remain unbound This similarity suggests that what we perceive as metallic UFOs may not be solid in the conventional sense, but rather plasmatic in structure appearing metallic due to high electron density and reflectivity. This could explain why these crafts seem to shape-shift or alter form mid flight. Yes Their structure maybe dynamic more like a plasma field mimicking solid matter through resonance and coherence if so they are not just machines but

21:24 conscious, adaptive plasma-based intelligences utilizing a new form of plasmatic computing beyond quantum. Responsive to intention and frequency their so called metal may be an intelligent interface fluid reactive and alive And maybe the ones that have crashed have been those metals programmed to solidify, close or shut down upon impact. Yes. So yeah I think that's really great. Good job Dana! Well yeah think about how many people have been looking at UFOs for how many decades? And there's never an explanation for why they shape shift, why some seem like actual vehicles and then some look like orbs. Orbs? This explains that! It does! So to me I think you're really on to something. Like this deserves a real attaboy. Attagirl I guess. Thankyou! I feel like I am too

22:17 So this last part here about the ones that have crashed. Yes Yes, this comes up in Diana Pasolka's work I don't know if you've read American cosmic but she was kind of initiated into the inner circle of this invisible college they go out to the desert and some of these people in the deep state Nexus are They just know there's places in the desert where they can go and these metals will be left from them. They call it the gifting fields This might be an aspect of the whole phenomena You don't know a lot about but what do you think about that? That some of them I mean that they seem to become so solid And they're not moving around or anything It's almost like if it's a plasma sheath, it's almost like

22:59 Like a cocoon it's been released and left there in the desert. Yeah, and then people find it and analyze it And they say all the ions are different this is metal space Yes, I think maybe it might not work because we'd be way further along or I think they're I think We may have heard rumblings by now if they were further along. I think they're very confused Maybe don't say that out loud but So yeah, I think that what they may be missing is that Plasma harmonizes with our consciousness. These are beings of higher consciousness or more evolved consciousness, not in a derogatory way like we're stupid but just know how to work with plasma dynamics in an interdimensional way and when these beings are using the plasma it has to do with their consciousness mixing with it

23:44 it. So when you're studying plasma like it's a trapped unicorn, it's not going to reveal its magic to you so they can have fun studying pieces of metal and making planes when we realize should be doing like way cooler stuff Fair enough. So another thing I was going to bring up with Diana Pasolka's work, and I'm sure the audience is sick of me saying this but we don't get these kind of details very often and she recently did an interview where she said Tyler D., Tim Taylor, this guy who works at NASA who brought her in, she said that Saw pictures and had it explained to her these rituals they do with rocketry. They write Latin phrases on the outside They write the names of ancient gods on the outside, and she said to him Why are you doing this before you send a rocket to space like who's gonna read that? And he said our sponsors so there's just this thing I've always thought Rocketry was a little occult II that it had more to do with the occult than it had to do with a distant planet

24:41 But now there's this like these details that kind of show us that they don't need to get these rockets anywhere except up into the upper levels of the realm. I mean, our plasma magnetosphere? Yeah, yeah! That's what i'm saying so it seems like if they get it up too The plasma magnetosphere, something talks back to them. It recognizes what they've done and like a game of telephone it talks back does that make sense to you given what you know? Yeah I mean given i've literally never heard of that but given what I know if for instance if it is a cult and the cult usually comes with rituals and that's how they're communicating with it. The plasma field responds to belief, so once again I would call that an egregore of a lot of those people thinking that if they are responding to an entity... If the entity is responding to those things then that's an entity either built or has been build for a long time. So its completely especially you know that it isn't magnetosphere ionosphere like its all plasma membrane just like a cell. That makes complete sense

25:45 And what I would say to them and everyone is that, what is so cool about plasma is you can have your own relationship with it. So like they think that works but it can work making up your own little thing with it too. There's a lot to explore there but yeah, it tracks. The idea that it responds to belief This is why I've interviewed a lot of people who say, Maybe there's enough momentum behind the idea of Jesus that like it responds or maybe it's essentially you saying, just say maybe the important part is the be gone part. Not that in Jesus name part. It's the feeling. Yeah. It's the vibe. You're putting out the vibe. It's the truth encased in the plasma belief of Jesus

26:38 There you go. There you go now, you're right when it comes to ufology though I've thought about this before so like the idea of the gray Is there even a real gray because there might it could be a total fabrication? Yeah Have you ever seen a grey something that looked like no they don't resonate with me. I've never seen in my life I've only seen these uh light beans. I know people have seen greys um and they've asked me about them. And I don't have a very popular opinion about grace, but do you want me to share it? Yeah, I assume it's that it's a fabricated archetype and then we see it because it's been given us. Yeah, I think it's one of those...I actually think it is created by human fear. Um, I wouldn't call it evil but it's just fear and they come to us because all of us yes, it's created by human fear so yeah It's a 4D archetype

27:27 it is also a little bit of a distraction, because you know it's easy to get... I don't want to be offensive at anyone cause I get obsessed with things too everyone. But its easy to get obsessed with grace and forget the real disclosures more about these intelligent beings that really are family and are very like whimsical and playful we can have a direct connection with them there's really nothing to be scared.. That why all the spiritual greats were like theres something to fear but fear itself It's cause that what makes all this things So, yeah. And I think...I believe everyone that has experiences with them because they are real but it's like you can also not resonate with them and then they're not real. It's real and its' not real. Yeah obviously its a little paradoxical the way we're talking about things is like you can have an archetype build up

28:13 a cultural engineer, let's say could seed an archetype and then you adopt it. And then you see it in a different context. It does become real like realness is kind of in a gray liminal space with this but I've thought this about the grays. You have Crowley writing his his, uh, grimoire and Lam is in there. And then years later you have Whitley Streber which a lot of people think he's an op I like Whitley Streber but clearly something going on there. He's talked about the experimentation that happened to him as a child so he might even be some memories by the way it turned out to be horrible trauma

28:52 So I just want to put that out there. Like my mind made it into that, I was abducted and experimented on when I really think I had trauma that I won't talk about right now but its just I'm not saying that's true with everyone, but like for instance even if you have not trauma and you're just like in a fear state as a kid. Like for instance, I actually think this is just my opinion and maybe people resonate with this. I think these beings who have always been there for me to protect me were there for me when this trauma was occurring. And at the time I felt abducted and like I was being...I literally have a memory of them with clipboards looking at me and I was on the wall like that almost

29:30 And then the more I think about how everything's optically constructed and not real, and they're all just responses to our feelings. In my trauma, I was feeling those same feelings so seeing this stuff when it really was there were these beings protecting me and I was able to kind of see the truth of that once I worked through So anyway, that's just my opinion. I'm not saying it happened to him though. Fair enough. Well there is definitely a cultural response from the 70s or even going back to Roswell in 47, the idea of The Gray

30:07 They had the alien autopsy footage, which looks like a clear hoax. But it presented the archetype of the gray and all these things and then Hollywood like it just gets put out there. And then suddenly people are seeing them in their room. But I will say this so when I got married, like most people, yeah, others, there's going to be people from different areas of your life coming together who really wouldn't normally interact. And at my wedding some guys started a conversation about seeing These things in their room at night. Friends of mine that I never knew had these experiences, never ever knew but you have a couple drinks to start talking and then they start comparing notes about what they see and they're both like yeah it's like that for me it's like that for me and the thing

30:48 Thought was interesting both of them said they're just like shadow beans or even like a hag one referred to as a haggard They say that the beans tend to just look at them until They get really really scared and then they rush him and then there's like almost like a blackout experience I've had I've had that with a hag where she dragged me into the corner of my room in like brought me this weird hole Like I've had crazy shit like that. But, as I said now with understanding there are all these whether it's made of fear or unconscious things like they're all real but it was because also I was in a huge state of fear so you can energetically protect yourself from these experiences by literally just not being in a state of fear. There really is nothing to be scared off and yes, it feels very real and scary and it is real paradoxically it's real and not at the same time

31:37 Yeah, because I mean, even like a few weeks ago. I used to judge people who actually would say this. Um, I woke up and there was like a big foot looking Yeti in my bed with me just like this, like looking at me and I was like, okay well i'm clearly going nuts and then it just fizzled away and I didn't...I know by now though that that symbolism or that archetype meant something like protective whatever reason that was just there but like I know by now whatever I see But what the plasma stuff is, my studies have shown me is that it's the meaning more than like what we're seeing. And we never should be like I'm a bigfoot worshiper now because I saw Bigfoot. It's not all these things have meaning for us and it's just the amazing intelligence of this universe and there's more trying to communicate with us than you'd realize and it comes in many shapes

32:30 Let's go into some of the more data stuff rather than personal, but you have a great deal of mythology and ancient culture material in the book. Australian Aborigines, shamanic cultures, the Dogon, the Greeks, ancient India talk to us about the plasma context for understanding these ancient cultures and their cosmologies. Oh my God there are so many I mean yeah it started with like The Dream World and Everyone that's like the first one I researched from my book Basically, in that time it was a more non-crystallized reality. It's like a more plasmatic state not like liquid as in we're all liquid but somewhat fluid. Yes! Somewhat fluid in the terms of once again everything we are seeing is pixels and optics and our brains making sense of things but I see pictures when I see so literally just looking at

33:23 tons of pixels that are shared reality but also have to do with our belief system. Back in this time, it wasn't really as much about I would say like belief systems as it was just like they were working with the elements and nature and it was more fanciful and fluid. Consciousness obviously has evolved over time, so back then it was all merged. Plasma and consciousness were kind of together if that makes sense? And then I feel like there was some sort of separation. Like for instance, we can get into like Shiva and Shakti or the dragon Tiamat, I think was the name. There was this dragon Tiamat she was...I would call it a divine feminine plasma and then she existed with these you know, the townspeople are beings of consciousness and they separated her into heaven and earth and then they kind of separated from her

34:19 And to me it marked the separation of consciousness and plasma. And just like any teenager who goes to college, and anyone who leaves their parents, it's crazy how everything connects Plasma and consciousness used to be more together in dream time. And then consciousness actually chose to leave, to separate, to grow. Now in this age of Aquarius or whatever people want to call it – that's a fancy term but our consciousness is coming back to this mother, this plasma as an adult with a more refined tool or brain and is ready to harmonize with her and just like you know We come back to our parents and realize oh we understand, you know. We don't hate you as much as he thought it was all projection of our psychotic teenageness so And she even shakti for instance Shiva is consciousness in Shakti's plasma I found a lot of interesting correlations that they're even down too. I think it's called a shakanta

35:18 It's spelled S-H-A-K-O-N-T-A. And it is like, I think it's five triangles up and four down but it resembles Shiva and Shakti together. It makes a hexagram. And it also plasma is quasi neutral and leans a little bit feminine or into the electron and this shakanta thing however you say everyone knows him bad at saying things but that represents basically to me literally plasma So anyway, I thought that was cool. There's so much mythology if you have yeah, oh fair so And encapsulate the pattern you say there's an ancient pattern reflected in the structure of reality the

36:01 father is consciousness. The mother is plasma and the divine child is awareness. These archetypes are not bound to religion, but appear again and again across spiritual traditions encoded in language symbol and geometry they map onto the cosmos itself everywhere. What about the divine child awareness? So this gets into all kinds of stuff because in the book you go into how to emotionally heal. You go into essentially manifestation without liking the word manifestation Finding your deeper truth and living with it in the life you're supposed to have, the perspective you're supposed to have like going whole hog into that. That all comes down to this divine child awareness talk to us about that aspect. It isn't quite as obvious as the other two.

36:43 Sure, I'm sorry. I'm stuck on Sun you said as far as the It's almost like you know Holy Trinity kind of thing like mother father child one thing. I wanted to say about that Everything in the future. I think is gonna be more triadic than binary So I just see that being a huge thing almost like with the yin-yang it's like everyone focuses on the dark and light but they forget like this circle behind it and it's like all of that together makes reality. So yeah, I think in the future a lot of even computer stuff will be more triadic in that way but yes sorry had to get that out my mouth so The Divine Child what did you want to know about it? Well awareness how is awareness this third component of the Trinity Yes!

37:28 It's almost like a trinity but it is secret diamond too. So it's almost like our awareness or what I call multi-dimensional self, is up here and there's consciousness in plasma almost as an infinity sign and uses both of these almost just like your hands to mold reality which is the divine child So we could call reality the divine child, we could call ourselves the divine child. We can call matter the divine child It is basically anything that is created from plasma and consciousness or a mother and father And what it's so beautiful about the divine child is with the word child reality What we've forgotten should be about play like it. I think it's called Leela or divine play Which is associated with Shiva and Shakti But reality should be all about playing whimsicalness, and it doesn't mean dark things don't happen It just means having this

38:19 more playful, unattached perspective that we have lost. And I think going into the future and now we are going to have more of that and not even comes down to math and science it's like everyone needs to pick their wedgies and like stop being so scholarly it is someone you can be smart and funny Like Are You The smartest people? I read about like Albert Einstein or Winston Churchill were known to be like goofy in children. I mean even Albright says his tongue sticking out Nickel Tesla was like obsessed with pigeons and ate really weird at weird times. Like everyone's just weird. I don't know why we're all pretending to be cool. Embrace your weirdness, but like really though? Yeah on the subject of Tesla so I actually had the patent. I mean who cares the number of the patent

39:01 But you mentioned the Lockheed Martin thing where they have explored and filed patents related to technologies that are basically shape shifting metals. And so, you know this plasma context of shapeshifting metals it's already here in a company like Lockheed Martin. So it's not that weird to think that it exists in another context, but on the subject of Tesla. This is a quote about x-rays something that stuck out from your book. So you say Tesla like Crooks was deeply engaged with radiant matter slash plasma his experiments with high energy electromagnetic interactions led to some strange phenomenon unexplained voices disturbances and hints of nonlocal intelligence

39:44 While he never fully published these findings, he strongly hinted at their existence. If plasma is indeed a vehicle for consciousness and information as I believe then x-rays interacting with plasma fields might generate or detect signals beyond our normal sensory perception." Sadly instead of following Crooks's advice to go straight on exploring these forces X-rays were rapidly commercialized and confined to medical imagery medical imaging and industrial applications. What if x-rays were more than just a tool for seeing bones? What if they were a lost key to interdimensional communications capable of revealing not just physical structures, but informational ones as well?" Yes! I agree.

40:28 I agree. Apparently you agree with what you wrote? I don't know how to prove it, but no, it's just funny hearing what I wrote just because it's like when you write your kind of in a trance so many authors say that and the synchronistic aspect of writing and finding what you're looking for right when you're writing and then it just keeps you going on the track there is definitely some strange stuff at play, I think in that whole thing. But it kind of goes back to attention and awareness and focus and being in the moment all these are terms to kinda try to describe this state where you are in the moment for lack of another one of these terms. And yeah, and your focused on a singular task

41:09 and the universe kind of helps you along. Like you would help a kid play with something, and you're like oh no, you need to put the block here or do this- Exactly our mother and father whoever they are. Consciousness in plasma apparently. Yeah I know for real. What do you think? This isn't in your book but what do you think about crop circles because when you look at... Like I've seen people make posters of here's 200 crop circles and there's always some kind of pattern to them where some people say they're exotic energy systems. Some say they're 2d representations of 3D mathematics or something. Some people have said that they are stellar configurations, which I could also see because there's a lot of orbs and you could say oh they're trying to express that there's

41:54 There's this time period, which they can't use human times. They say looking up at the stars here's what the map of the stars will look like at this important time there's all kinds of weird explanations for what they could be I think that technology thing makes sense but from a plasma perspective I would imagine you're kind of on that page too yeah i'm just thinking about it now so I do think number one it's weird that crop circles were kind of talked about and then like now they're almost never. And then they are again, like it's weird that they're not more studied if that makes sense? Like it just feels like a very underground undercut thing so I think that's weird

42:31 And then as far as like, I think plasma like these higher beings of consciousness probably use some type of plasma laser or kind of plasma thing to make them because it would explain how you make them so fast and there's no heat that's given off. Like he doesn't create fires by making these things sort of me. It made perfect sense that using plasma somehow is how these things are created and as far as like what they are, yeah I can't claim to obviously know that but everything you're saying tracks. And then if there's anything else I'd maybe say kind of this symbol staring thing so maybe if we stare at them with more of an open receptive mind like see what comes through that would be interesting for someone to do a study on that

43:12 Fair. So while we're still in the first hour, I want to talk about how people can use this information because that is a huge section of your book. You talk about the bioplasma bubble you talk about the nuance of emotion, the fact that we're here with some true purpose in mind and we just need to look inward and that kind of stuff. And a lot of times I struggle with those terms they just seem too vague to me but Talk to people about what this plasma context can do for them if they, you know go whole hog into it and you know the value of this. What would it do for their lives? If they learned about this kind of stuff from the perspective of mental health, yeah and the nuances of emotion I think I'm a perfect test subject for it because I went from and am still going from being like a person riddled with fear and sometimes even paranoia

44:09 complete disconnection with life and you know having not good relationships experiencing a lot of betrayal and being scared of my own mind kind of thing like I went from just all these distortions and Plasma like single-handedly mixed with like maybe some, of course other things because we always other people stuff Like brought me back into connection with myself. My true power with believing I mean I was literally someone you know in their room like doing nothing with their life four years ago And now to see just how I've grown, I can't attribute it to anything but myself and plasma. So all the stuff that I teach in my book is...I wouldn't teach anything that didn't work for me but I guess the future applications are the most exciting. For instance

44:59 I'm just gonna say it might sound like lunacy, but in the future maybe in our lifetime. I don't know I believe that we're going to almost Just like anything can evolve like a caterpillar can be a butterfly sounds like crazy-ass magic But its science because it literally looks so different It's so weird We can do that if we heal our emotions and learn how to use them in different ways and if we gain more control or harmony with our consciousness, with ourselves and start to heal this fear and trauma. We free up a lot of energy to start learning how to harmonize with plasma reality which can result in telekinesis or telepathy I'm not saying that i can do all these things right now...I think it's possible

45:46 You know, I've seen little glimmers of things that are interesting and I plan to make this obviously my life study So much as saying this stuff and never do it like out. I will quit before that happens but I do see that that's the natural progression of humanity is healing our fear or this 4D plasma and learning how to literally consciously use reality almost is like our palate and I think that anyone who chooses to connect with the word plasma or just wants to call it reality, whatever they want to call it. If anyone who heals themselves using these teachings with plasma will benefit from it and I mean the results for me have been like me in my life and the fact that I went from no following to a bigger following how many people resonate with this stuff? And thats all because I felt like I followed my soul and gut and connected with this stuff

46:43 I think anyone can benefit off it. I don't know, yeah! Well i'm sure there's people listening that are like bullshit? I think about my desires and goals all the time and yet i'm no closer...I think about my own experience and like having this show work was a really unlikely scenario but in retrospect with hindsight it does seem like I was singularly focused you know, just really motivated to put all my energy behind making it work. And the hate of the job fueled the desperation to make me do nothing but this until it worked. I don't know if everyone has that level of dedication to their dreams and goals. I often say that If I just hated my job a little less, this probably wouldn't have happened. I would've gave up on it because I have friends who

47:30 are pretty happy with jobs that I think seem like they would drive me nuts. And I used to be jealous of that because I was like, man ignorance is bliss it would be so much easier for my life if I could be happy with one of these mediocre jobs sadly I can't So now i'm in a desperate position to throw a Hail Mary to ever find happiness you know luckily it worked out You say your life is not random. It's responsive to respond with wonder, let your awareness lead and the universe follows your melody well I think a lot of people would be like that sounds great it's poetic but how do i do it? How do we engage with it and actually get into respond yeah well I think just you're good example of it though as my as our

48:15 anyone. Number one, what is success? Right because for some people it's not money for some people it's happiness for some people it's having a great body for some people it's eating clean for some people it's having you know I think the first thing to identify is what is success to you and then it's like, okay how do you want to get that or what do you want to achieve? And then understanding that there are some surrender and failing forward through the process. Even if I'm getting a lot of support from my family and friends who have been in this My specific dream, I know number one it aligns with my heart and soul. I didn't always foresee myself doing that reality unfolded day by day as I'm sure it might have for you like maybe you had some idea but that is the cool thing about plasma and its emergent behaviors It's like you can just say oh I'm gonna do this and then do it And it's manifested That's why I think all that stuff is bullshit or sometimes ends up empty Like Jim Carrey said he wanted to get famous He got famous and he was a little bit miserable

49:15 This is different. I would call maybe, you know, living emergent living or whatever where you do have bad things can happen and you just take them as they come instead of worrying about them every moment of the day and that's another thing with healing yourself in training your brain is to why are okay thinking about all those things because they take up so much energy Just what I would say to everyone, because I've been there. You know? I mean you know...I was 20, homeless, in and out of halfway houses like if someone told me this it would have sounded nice too but it's been like okay my life literally is terrible. I just was a trap house the other day like what are you talking about It will give me hope but yes it might be hard to relate But all I would say that really does take like few days of this kind of thinking

50:05 Not just that you can manifest what you want, but of surrendering and figuring out what you really want to do in your heart and soul. And just letting every day unfold and starting to build your life around different ways of thinking it's not a quick fix everything as a quick fix is snake oil but its about shifting your life eventually one day wake up and you're like holy fuck And I can't say anything else is true because that's my truth. And I will argue to say if someone's truth is this will never happen to me, then it might never happen you because it's your truth and the plasma is reflecting that. I'm sorry! Well even with the health people I talk to about belief they'll say do you believe that you can actually heal yourself? You have to believe it first like Joe Dispenza work

50:49 He has this process where he'll take on a new client and I'll show them the data that you can self heal. Here's 50 examples of it, and then you start to think, huh? Maybe I can self-heal and then maybe eventually you do but what I always think about when it comes to this stuff is like, I know what you're gonna say that random things happen like, uh Uh, there are people who don't heal. Well, there's people who don't heal but also like the idea of intention and focus and being in the now and then driving your reality well what are we saying about? People who die in car crashes because they were being careless because they were so convinced nothing bad could happen and then boom something bad happens or medical tragedies where people go into the hospital because they believe and trust Western medicine wholeheartedly and then

51:37 victim of medical malpractice. And so many examples where at the end of the day, people say I never thought that could happen to me and you don't know what's going on in someone's head. So maybe they're saying that but they actually did manifest a fear really it's just like So many things do surprise us in life. So how can we say that manifestation is what's happening, co-creation and all these buzzwords are just constantly being thrown out there but like does that match when these experiences happen? I think everything is co-created and it's hard to hear that but I mean, I've been through some really dark things and I still understand I've co-created them whether I chose them...I mean the darkest things in my life

52:19 have brought out some of the best things in my life. And I know that's not the truth for everyone, but for instance like my dad passed in January, I had to watch him die through a coma. It was very traumatic watching him choke on his own blood and all these really disgusting things and that led to a huge catalyst of my life getting weirdly better but it was such a horrible time and I've really questioned suffering and knowing people suffer. Even on the way here I passed a car accident where someone was dead on the road and a sheet was over them, and that's the truth about no matter what we talk about here it really is the truth. And I'm sure I say this in my book like

53:04 as someone who experiences dark and light stuff, like yes you could die tomorrow. You could take Joe Dispenza and not heal like you could get cancer. And it's about I think it's the book or a movie called maybe It's Lion or something where this guy is on a ship and he's stranded with these animals he gets Home and this news guy interviews him, and he's like were there really He said these animals saved him on a ship And that's how we got to land and he was like I'm paraphrasing But the news guy was like were there really? Animals on this ship that save you because some people you know These animals were actually just personifications of his parents who were dead on this ship the whole time and he hallucinated That they were animals that saved him. And he is like oh

53:45 Well, which story would you want to believe? So it might… There's terrible things that happen everywhere and it could happen to you. Do you want to spend time thinking about that or do you want to think about good things and then if something bad does happen take it as it comes in as hard as it is here and as hard as for me even think when I go through really dark times Like these things will either help me or are contributing to a grander plan of earth that I will never fucking understand. And I'm very annoyed that this is happening to me, but that's the like beauty of surrender and it's also tragic and that's just life yeah

54:22 We say surrender, but then also you're talking about kind of not like taking the reins really. You know, Terrence McKenna said the universe runs on narrative and I definitely have some of the more magic-y people in my life say give yourself a better story about certain things like you can kinda move yourself into a different story and then kind of go with that track, you know? Cause they're all stories. Right Joe Rogan has said for all his flaws he has said imagine you are the superhero or you're the hero of the story. You're the main character in the movie and the movie starts with the main character hating their life and hating their job and being out of shape and having all these problems. And then most movies are a growth

55:09 you know, a story of growth. So imagine you're at the beginning part and you're about to go through this growth like I think that's probably a good way to approach life but a lot of people think about the things they don't have, why can't i get a job that pays me well? The goddamn Rockefellers have fucked banking up so bad. Yeah, and as conspiracy guy I do too. You know the other day? I was like maybe I need to get into the gun range more because shit's about to pop off with this Iran situation I almost got a gun the other day well there you go myself But you know what I said in myself then I was like um the plasmas will protect us the fucking it No It really is funny though no I mean the truth is somebody

55:48 The truth I was saying is someone could literally kill me at any time if they wanted to. I have absolutely no control and that's where the surrender comes in, it's like... Because I wanted to get a gun to protect myself and I was like okay but let me just try as an experiment if I do believe I'm safe in this timeline either works out or doesn't but I'll be a lot less stressed until I get killed. I think about that sometimes too, like you want to have control and the people who have guns are like, well, I have more control over my situation. It's like you are driving 80 miles an hour six inches from a semi truck can kill you in a second, multiple times a day sometimes how much control do you really? You really are trusting the universe that, you know, you're not going to go before your time, I guess. But yeah, it's interesting that your story is you got this download experience, you start

56:35 Talking about plasma all the time and then the government comes knocking at your door. It's a little like Chris blood So he had this experience yet his same thing Yeah, and I know obviously you did Ryan's podcast? I think I've said that a couple of times but you also Did it live and were there with him and the night before You didn't take him up on the offer that he gave to me which is come on out We have orbs all over the place. Do you see stuff? I didn't go yet Oh what but you did see stuff. Dude, yes and like I would never believe me so I don't expect anyone to believe me but like literally though okay so like I didn't even expect to see orbs and I saw orbs last night now I'm seeing them all the time it's like yeah I see them all the time now but what I haven't seen since and I think it is cause you know it's not scary but it does kind of what's the word ontological shock? Like it does kinda break your reality there were these two literal syndroical beings almost

57:30 just like a blurry or light that swooped right over us and you can totally call them angels but I think that's the biblical application. There are so many things with wings, but whatever it was 100% real! And there was like a projector on his garage and I thought holy fuck The fact that I, what I felt. That's why it was real to like yeah like your eyes plays tricks on you but the feelings I got from it and the downloads I had... I was like oh my god! Well I heard you say that well I read in a book that When you had those experiences at the property, the Bloodso property. You understood the bird person archetype, the angel archetype, the humanoid figure with wings and why it's so ubiquitous in our past mythologies because you're like there it was. It was a- Yes makes sense now. And these are often beings of light even in the realm of occult magic type stuff. Yeah. You draw the pentagram, you do the incantation,

58:32 being that comes out of light, it manifests out of nothing. So there has to be like some context for all this stuff and it does seem to be plasma Yes, I think so. So do you think that they we're going to start wrapping up here in a minute? But do you think that they suppress knowledge of plasma because obviously they want us to have less context. They want us to be more rooted in the external type stuff but do you think that they are aware that if they restore a plasma context, a living ether context that we will starts learning about these other things that we've talked about I will say, I do think that things have been suppressed. I will say that I'm sure 70% of it was national security which is like why thunderstorm generator the Oregon energy like all that stuff Tesla like all that stuff

59:24 I can see how it was matters of national security. I still don't agree with the government suppressing it, once again they're just from a fear state and care so much about suppression but I do think its like 70% that 30%, I hate to say this but yes we are easier to control when we dont know these things in these contexts but once we know how much power we really have as individuals At least for me, I feel so free. And when I don't feel free it really is my own fear and I could have someone come in tomorrow and be like no squash you your bug you're not free whatever but like I feel free what I feel no one can take from me even if I was put in jail or locked away. Like I have this inner world no one could take

1:00:12 Think the best is yet to come as far as people realizing like what they're capable of and I've course you'd want To suppress that if you're trying to like sell people stuff from like big commercial brands and like trying to get people into materials when it's Like life's not everything in life. That's beautiful is literally free So yeah, it makes sense And yes, I really do think a lot of it has been suppressed some of it I think has been suppressed from them just being fearful about And I think some has been suppressed on purpose. And I think that some of it almost is like, it's almost like the fear and the Not stupidity, the fear and the ignorance of like being like oh this isn't just scientific. This is paranormal and how do we... Where do we go from? The whole world will change if they were to admit this. They! Yes maybe that's a good thing to go out on but I've heard you say in that Ryan Bledsoe interview that you talk to an entity like The Lady all the time. Yeah, Saladius. Saladius, is that it? Saladius C-E-L-A-C

1:01:14 C E L A D a Y U S. Okay, well maybe this is two questions then because I want to know a little bit about what those dialogues are like and then also you've said a couple times like when i brought up the Philip K Dick experience you said that people will be having these experiences more often it's peppered throughout your book Just wait. Just wait till when? Because this is one of those things people have been saying that forever, I completely agree with you. People have also been fighting the technology rise since 1920 there's a thing called should we all commit suicide by Winston Churchill about how technology is taken over from 1924? And it's like, we're still fucking doing the same narrative. Like this all fucking distracting once again from our inner power but with that said I got on a small tangent there

1:02:01 When are we all going to blast off? So yeah, I don't think that. It's actually very natural and it is happening gradually so like I don't know but like especially with the plasmoid stuff that is pretty recent. That gives me a little bit of hope because it has happened forever With it happening so much more, I really do think it's more now. Tell me what you think? We used to hear about the indigo children and how all these kids were just basically the 5D self from birth and that's not real. Now we have the Gen Z people like the zoomers are most captured by technology

1:02:39 don't seem to be doing all that well, integrating all that well. We'll see I mean- I'm becoming an old man already, I can tell. I'll make a prediction. I think that we've swung so far in one direction that it's going to become popular to be in places without technology. I think it's gonna become cool to not have a phone, to being more like organic settings, to have more interactive fun entertainment stuff instead of the metaverse and I'm sorry, it's going to be like actual human meetups that will – I think all of the pendulum is going to swing and bounce back in our lifetime. I also think technology, this singularity point is actually realizing that there is nowhere to go like we think and it's about working with this technology and nature and just like in the book The Dark Materials using amber spyglass to see

1:03:32 Another dimension like I think that's real. I think we're gonna use organic stuff and that's a better technology than any fucking machine And I'm not saying all technologies bad It's how this podcast is made it's how we talk on the computer Like all technology can be amazing when its used by the right person behind it So that's why I'm so big on healing the people using these tools because that's the real problem is once again us But what as far as like when will it happen? Like what I do think. I really actually do think in the next five years we are going to have some kind of like weird thing where there's more of these higher intelligences and

1:04:09 I can honestly say, I'm just predicting the next five years something weird will happen. I'm not one of those people that's like we're going to ascend or where the world is going to end. I don't think it's any of that. I think it's a gradual thing. I think our awakening...I think once again the light is just as much of a distraction as the dark and If I'm being really honest, with all that said what can I do today to live my best life and love the people around me? And how can I bring a little bit of magic to my life today. But I really think it's in our lifetime I really do. And I know everyone says that, but you know what? We'll just have to see. But then again, that's like a future tripping thing. Like the truth is the magic's here now and like we just need to, I just need to wake up to it in the moment. Like I'm grateful to be alive. I've power me. I could do what I want today. Same with you. There's a lot of things to be miserable about if I wanna focus on that and there's a lot of things to enjoy phone and focus on that well

1:05:04 Next time you talk to Lady Plasma, send her my way. I would love to see a plasma. Okay? Um, well, Have you ever had like one or two entities when you were younger, you are more connected to? Or no. Have you never had anything I saw one weird thing in the woods but when you say entities I was connected too Yeah No like a archetypal Like I can see yeah This is just me being weird But there's two kind of an orange and blue monkey type looking archetypes in your aura I don't know what that Oh no! I do not know if thats where wild things are

1:05:39 Teletubbies mixed with Bigfoot. But it's like some kind of, it's like a whimsical... There is a whimsical connection within your aura that I'm sensing that you can definitely connect to so maybe just try to have an intention hey let me connect to things that are for my highest good and just see what comes through. And my biggest thing is we can judge the images we see but try to just let whatever you see see write it down and then apply the meaning after because a lot of us can try to intellectualize when we see things And it's like, we can see Jesus and think we're God. It's like no, it's like if you're seeing that symbol there is a meaning behind it so like your game shown images in your head after setting an intention just write it down and then see what it means after

1:06:20 That's where you can start. Good advice and we are wrapping this thing up, but you said orange and what? Blue Orange and blue What usually are tails that are going like this Okay well I'm glad we did one in person with someone who can see my damn aura But what are orange and blue usually associated with auras Yeah so funny like i don't know uh...I think blue is calm has to do with the throat chakra um...orange is more like creativity Orange is like sacral chakra. So it's like, yeah I would say orange is more like creativity and the blue was more like using your voice so you are a podcast person so that makes complete sense but they're more those colored beans so maybe the beans are to help you with both of those

1:07:05 Maybe? Because color, plasma and color there's a lot to do with it. And as I said this can all sound crazy or it can't is really up to you make meaning of it but to me it's like if you connect with the orange one it probably helps your creativity the blue one probably helps you with speaking your truth without having Uh, you know carefully control what you say. Like you said as a kid it's like there's a lot there Yeah interesting It does seem to all be about our personal stories. It's it all comes back to us I'm telling you All right So as we're wrapping this thing up what is next for you? How do you plan to take this off? forward, where can people check in with you? Get the book. The last all that good stuff. So the book comes out September 9th I don't know when this is coming out but the book will be out September ninth danakipple.com You could sign up to on the email list for when the Amazon link is ready for the book or if it this after September ninth you're listening just go to Amazon It's a new force actually go to my website. I'll probably have a link there dana kipple.com My Instagram is Dana dot the alien. My Tik Tok is at Dana Kippel

1:08:05 What is next for me is I will probably make another science fiction movie down the line. Obviously, that has to probably do with plasma so that's in my future and then creating a second and third book more so on what I call halonic metadynamics which is kind of a mix of science and metaphysics and psychology about all these weird things and just seeing what I can invent out of it. And then another book that I'm working on, which is kind of like, I'm going to have to research first, like putting my money where my mouth is like okay if I think telepathy's possible, If I think we can use organic material to see in other dimensions let's fucking do it so just becoming a female, I would say Nikola Tesla mixed with whatever female poet there is and being my own Dana. Okay

1:08:55 I have a lot of plans. Yeah, well it's good to have plans so many go through the day without any and that's why we get stuck in these repetitive ruts working on someone else's dream Yes! I want to be a doer i don't want to collaborate with someone on supporting their dream i wanna...I want to do what I say in my book I think is possible So like thats what im gonna spend my life doing but also my life to be taken over like a lot of these inventors have. So if I want to make a movie, I'll make a movie. If I want to go to Outback Steakhouse, I'll go to Outback Steakhouse. If I want to hang out with friends for a week, I'll hang out with friends and play The Sims. Like I just wanna live my life! Don't we all? Man it seems so hard to do but this has been great thank you for dropping all this insight from the big old download on us and being the first in-studio guest pretty amazing. Thank you. Cheers take care

1:09:46 There it is. Goodness gracious, great balls of fire. All right? Not too bad another in-studio guest and one talking about a subject I clearly find very provocative with knowledge gleaned from essentially a download experience or some spontaneous connection to the field through what sounds like a trauma break or to be less dramatic, uh heightened range of Emotions brought on by the end of a relationship. We've all been there maybe, uh, not all the way there with the plasma connection and all that, but you know, relationships they come, they go to rollercoaster folks. But it is just another layer to what made this one really interesting to me as how the information and obsession with plasma came to Dana. Hmm.

1:10:40 Well, all things plasma. Did we stick the landing? You decide I actually recorded this one before Janice McAfee and the lesson I learned was never record in person without headphones for me it's very important. It might sound dumb but it changes the vibe entirely when I can't hear the intensity that I can with headphones and then I would watch her moving back and forth or tapping on the table. And I'd think is this effecting the recording But yet I couldn't actually hear it. So I wouldn't know, and then it would just distract me and it's a whole thing, but that's my problem overall. I liked it. It drifted a little bit into unpacking my own bullshit, which nobody cares about except maybe for the sake of example that's universal enough, but whatever. I don't see my marijuana usage as a mask for anything. I mean his coffee

1:11:40 A mask for trauma. You know, it's just another mild effect that I enjoy to relax the same way I like caffeine to get me going when I'm struggling. I think life is here to be enjoyed and it's okay not being an actual straight edge sober living person as long as there's no problem right? I've done pretty fucking well for an uneducated stoner and people can have whatever feelings about it they want, I guess. Clearly i'm high functioning no pun intended or at least mid-functioning and I don't record high either...or I should say I don't record interviews high unless it's Richard Stanley or Rick Simpson of course

1:12:21 Okay. So I hope you like this one content wise plasma is so hot right now, or at least it should be. I think it's a major missing piece of the cosmic puzzle. I thought we would focus a bit more on high strangeness in this, but it has peppered throughout the plus show goes a lot deeper. We talked about our metaphysical world and how our emotions filter our experiences. I think emotions do kind of sometimes seem a bit lame to talk about, but it is a huge dimension to what a person is. And it is a layer that does affect our physiology and we often aren't really taught much about how to handle that or harness it even. But we talked about healing past traumas and retro causality, that whole thing about how some of our actions can actually

1:13:15 Influence our past strange stuff, but what Dana refers to as 5d awareness got explained and the concept of demons as our own reflections of our own fears and traumas. Government suppression of this kind of knowledge you know the drill It was a bit more about how plasma relates to the self and consciousness and reality at large, and all that kind of stuff. And Dana's book is out now A New Force link in the show notes Now, I guess wrap ups are also places to talk about current events outside of the flow of guests that I have lined up and the topic of the interview itself. And I can say right now, I have the next three in the can already recorded so you're not going to hear any sort of commentary on Charlie Kirk in the interviews for a while and that's probably fine good even because everyone else is talking about them

1:14:18 But I should say something. And, uh, guess I would say that I don't care what his positions were on anything. Obviously there's a lot of things we wouldn't agree with and that's fine, but bringing it up in the context of an assassination is pretty sick. Get your fucking head examined if you're pulling out old quotes of a guy as some kind of justification for saying, see you don't have to feel bad because that's what you're saying when you put that stuff out there. And maybe that's people's way of dealing with some unconscious effect of seeing that goddamn footage because it is rough but yes he did say that if his daughter was raped at 10 years old he would have her carry out the pregnancy when he was in a debate and an extreme hypothetical example was used to try to move him from his position

1:15:12 Who the fuck knows what he would actually do if that really happened, but in a debate about abortion. He's not going to change his position because you came to him with the most extreme dramatic over-the-top example because that is a debate tactic and it's not real! And the guy was pro-life, so he probably would do what he said. Whatever it's not like he said, Oh I would abandon my daughter and make her raise his kid on our own. He probably would be like look we're going to get through all this together We are a family A life is a life A life is a blessing Let's deal with that which is really not that big of a deal or even bad People say that is evil No The rape is evil Trying to find a way

1:15:59 Make the best out of an awful situation with your family is just, that's what it is. It's not evil, but the rhetoric you see online, it is disgusting. Everybody is saying that now. So I guess some people agree with what I'm saying? It is the thing that has bothered me the most though. The lack of empathy. It's very gross. He was shot because someone, I think someone powerful did not like what he was saying. That should worry anyone. Now I do see a ton of narratives, but the one that makes the most sense to me and I hate to lay everything at the feet of Israel. But Harrison from InfoWars had tweeted about hearing from someone on Kirk's team that he was worried that they would kill him if he was too critical of Israel probably because Turning Point is a big organization over 150 million go through them every year and he's politically activated a lot of people

1:16:59 And yeah, he was very pro Israel for a long time until he wasn't. And then you was killed a few hours before a vote on the Epstein file release and in the midst of some Israeli aggression in the middle East and the whole peace talks with Hamas in Qatar fake out thing that happened I'm actually Reminded that, uh, earlier I just heard from my wife that she had read. That Israel has made six strikes or made strikes on six countries already in just the 72 hours since his death, which sounds like they knew the American media would be a little distracted or something right?

1:17:44 Kirk also hosted a big turning point event less than 30 days ago, where he did give the floor to several people who criticized what Israel was doing in Gaza. Which I think if you were backed into a corner and you were worried about that kind of stuff maybe that would be your way of getting the information out there without having to say it yourself but in the last few weeks, he was increasingly bold and actually saying things that you can find online. He also called for the full release of the Epstein files recently, surprise surprise who wouldn't right? But Kirk was a huge asset to Trump and the Republicans and I don't think that they would just let this happen or do it themselves unless they were forced to put him down because he wouldn't shut up about Epstein in Israel in general

1:18:35 I see these all as little mafias and I see one boss coming to another and saying, Hey. We're going to have to put down your boy is getting a bit wild out there and we're going to solve a problem for you at the same time so why don't you just look the other way? Netanyahu and Rabbi Shmuley both tweeted that they lost a powerful pro-Israel ally right after he died And yeah, you did! You lost him ideologically...and then then yeah, you got him killed i think It is what it is. Can't go back, but this seemed like a very professional hit. This was not some deranged pilled up lunatic who happened to outsmart all the security and the police and get away just doesn't make any sense even the whole notion of alone gunman if we look at all the things we've said this in a lot of examples, the school shootings, the political assassinations go down the line

1:19:38 They're all set up or well-connected to intelligence. And in a way that makes you less fearful out there because you're like, wow, nothing really does happen on its own. Like this whole idea of a random shooter is pretty unheard of I guess you can be in one of those locations, but a lot of it is well planned and well orchestrated and uh, Really can be laid at the feet of just a couple of different organizations. But yeah, Charlie Kirk and For a long, long time because he was so young and there's a speculation that he was killed now because in the next presidential election. He actually would have been of age to run and if you ran against JD Vance and fucked up that whole plan for the technocrats, Hmm, that wouldn't have been so good secondarily I do think it functions as a warning for a lot of people to shut up about Israel and shut up about Epstein

1:20:50 It's time to move on to something else, I think is what they are trying to communicate to all the much bigger podcasters and commentators than me out there. And all the gloating! I just can't get over the gloating on the left... it's so cringe Because this is not even a left versus right thing. This is a higher game, and if you're an American you should be concerned that this happened I think of America as my home or at least my neighborhood Someone came into my neighborhood And shot someone in cold blood That disturbs me I would not gloat about it just because I didn't know them that well Or maybe didn't even like that particular neighbor I want my neighborhood to be safe

1:21:34 So I think with the narrative, I kind of laid out there. I am open to alternatives, but it looks pretty case closed and I thought it was funny. I even saw Alex Jones out there trying to push the trans shooter narrative which we were set up for and it's a very convenient thing for people to just grab onto if they expect that sort of thing because of prior incidences But I saw him trying to push that narrative and steer people away saying that there's no evidence or reason to think Israel would have done this. And funny enough, I also heard that Alex Jones had an appeal going yesterday for the 1 billion that he owes for these Sandy hook stuff. He's probably just trying to get back out of trouble by doing whatever you can to suck up to the master

1:22:26 I don't really blame anyone in these situations. You got to do what you gotta do, I guess, but best just keep your distance really? And there are other weird little details like the fact that the city of Orem Utah is being proposed as the site of a $40 billion AI facility, the largest data center campus in the world from the article I read. Is that relevant? It might be maybe Israeli intelligence was already well aware of the terrain because of this scouting for this potential deal. Maybe it made for an easy location, I don't know but it really is as simple as Charlie Kirk was allowed to say and do anything for a lot of years but if you look at what changed in his rhetoric in the past few weeks

1:23:23 It was a couple specific things that would bother the kind of people powerful enough to pull this off and then in the wake of the tragedy they scrambled to do a lot of other things they would want to do. So there you have it, just kinda sad all around but I'd also say that for the people saying all that vile sick shit...I support their right to free speech too! They can make shitty comments and do whatever they wanna do but I would be cautious about anything that was said online that was controversial like that because we already know people in Europe are getting arrested for online comments and I've seen some insinuations that the administration might track down these people. You don't want that, you know? Even when people say disgusting stuff I disagree with

1:24:18 But there's a lot of people with heightened emotions that are looking for a reason. Don't give them one to come at you, you know? You're better off catching a baseball in an MLB game these days am I right? Like I kind of tweeted the real irony insane cold harsh inappropriate stuff about a guy that was just killed is that a lot of people are holding up these examples of cold harsh and appropriate stuff he said saying that you don't have to care because he sometimes says shitty things. You're saying a shitty thing right now! It's very hypocritical, but they probably don't see the logic because these are broken people So that's basically all I would say about it and who cares really what i have to say everybody is saying something but

1:25:10 Just to avoid the, it's weird that you didn't comments or the assumption that I hate all Christians. Like let's just get out there and say something, I suppose either way, sure we'll kick off all kinds of craziness, but you have the next three THCs to listen to without it being mentioned because they're already done moving on So the last episode was a nice return from Isaac Weishaupt. Always bring in something juicy, some conspiratorial pop culture stuff This was no different. And we went really dark in that second hour, I still think about it. I don't like it. I need a break from the screens to be honest with you. But to me, the Janice McAfee interview and this latest one with Isaac both do push further into things. We didn't really know before maybe semi kind of dangerous stuff, but Hey, I just asked the questions all right? But that episode was very well liked 4.8

1:26:13 Killing it. Thank you to all the plus people who have kept the faith and who enjoyed that and rated it well If you missed that full episode, I would say of course sign up for plus and support a truly independent podcast with no sponsors or ads or managers or agents or network affiliations. It's just me and a couple of freelancers doing the best we can to bring interesting interviews eight or $12 a month depending on how you decide to consume your THC But we are kind of, at least I think of myself as like the little conspiracy engine that could. Um, just trying to keep my head down and bring a great interviews and help me help you do that. All right. As for the meetup calendar, let's get into it

1:27:00 I do not know if the CAPTCHA thing has been fixed, but on deck is Sunday September 14th. Keepin' Austin weird at the Sour Duck Market. September 15th Monday Gail Brath's Alehouse in Auckland New Zealand. September 21st Tulsa Oklahoma at Neff Brewing and Sunday September 28th at bunk bar in Portland, Oregon. So no new ones that could either mean that nobody gives a shit or it could mean we didn't fix the capture problem I'll look into it all right well I love it as Adam Curry says connection is protection find like-minded locals and share and what life's all about away from the screens

1:27:42 And that's about it though. Thanks to Dana for actually taking the time to come to the studio, I think she's doing a good thing by focusing on the plasma issue and all the various layers to it and the science that's out there and applying it to every possible area. I think it's a huge piece of the advanced course of what this stuff is all about. And with that, I guess I'm calling it. Your move, plasma secret keepers consciousness deniers and emotional self-suppressors. Your fucking move. The inspiration said if we build it they will come the message was mysterious underneath the midnight sun The flicker of the fire gave a hint of something there I took its shape into it We'll try to call

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