Cory Daniel | The Phoenix Enigma, Freemasons, Giants, & Esoteric Arizona

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02:16 Ley lines, energy vortexes, sacred geometry, ancient mounds, ruins that align with the night sky, cannibalistic giants, healing hot springs, the amplification and harnessing of the Earth's natural energy flow etc. Of course, many of these things are spread all across America and while a lot of Americans might be enamored by the Giza Plateau, Gobekli Tepe or the stone circles in the British Isles. Sadly we are largely ignorant of the sullied history of our own surroundings Most likely because the official version minimizes the crimes of the European invasion, but also because many of the colonialists and early founders were deeply embedded in the esoteric arts, Freemasonry and a plethora of other secret societies. And they have both co-opted the environmental magic that was used by people who were here before, and also built and ritualized many of their own structures and monuments that harness these very same forces they'd rather you just know nothing about

03:14 Well, we've talked about the Freemasonic layout of Washington DC nearly to death. But we know the American landscape holds many other things of interest and that brings me to today's guest Corey Daniel Corey is a third-generation Phoenician, writer, researcher and professional guide currently living in the Phoenix Arizona area. He has spent most of his life immersing himself in his environment and learning all he can about desert flora, Native American cultures, religion, physics, poetry, botany, philosophy, primitive survival, traditional archery, and the occult He's since taken his passion and knowledge to the net with The Phoenix Enigma, a deeply fascinating website devoted to decoding and reverse engineering the esoteric symbolism history and mystery of the magical microcosm that is Phoenix Arizona. He has blown my mind more than once now I wish every major city had someone so dedicated digging out good stuff, the teller of untold tales, an Esoteric Arizonian explorer extraordinaire, Corey Daniel welcome to the higher side

04:16 Thank you for the intro very much. I appreciate that yeah, i wish everyone was so enthusiastic about my work as you are Great! I think they will be man because there is just so much to talk about and we're not going to get through it all and I've been really looking forward to this for a couple of weeks It's become one of my favorite types of shows to do A deep look into one area or city full of rich history and mystery to unpack. We've talked to guests who have become similar types of scholars about places like the Susquehanna River or the city of Philadelphia, and I'm just pretty psyched to expose the audience to the awesome stuff you've uncovered about the Phoenix area. And maybe to kick this off, you can give us a little overview of your thoughts on Phoenix Arizona now that you've learned all these things and maybe a bit of how you got

05:06 All that inside i mean this is not the kind of stuff you come across everyday and now you're right it's not. It didn't all come at once it was me growing up in phoenix entire truth there was really no interest in my own town until i moved out of it and, i move to the western part of the state when i was about eighteen cowboy for a few years around family business we owned operated gas stations but that gas station where i went to was in the middle of nowhere It's about three hundred people halfway to las vegas from phoenix is called wiki up arizona and that town is probably one of the most mysterious places in my opinion, any arizona and i met no hippie been living there he was into the occult and egyptian mysteries. I befriended him we just rome those desert for years out there when i move back to phoenix everything that i had become

06:03 Out there in that desert with my hometown coming back at me i just started studying and i don't know why and, i started recognizing all the pyramids around phoenix and then i got into the history a little bit. That became a tour guide i had to reinvent myself after oh wait oh nine the crash came and like a lot of people we lost everything we had in i became a tour guide and just dove in a hundred percent into the history of phoenix and that's when everything coalesced, And if you have a background in the occult and you have a background in botany or pharma key or witchcraft as we know it can you start putting together with. The modern day pieces of art that's commissioned and speeches and then, it just rolled make long story short there's a point at which all knowledge really does dovetail whether your talking about western history or botany

06:58 Or the occult there's a point where all intersects and that's where i'm at in my bubble is phoenix and i'm glad it is because it is a rich untapped undiscovered. Nest and hive of free masonry and that's what i've been concentrating on for the past four years here yes seems like a real hotbed for ancient civilization as well as being established in this round of human history has a freemasonic, ritual, or I don't know experiment or haven and both of these things speak to some natural qualities that certain people appreciate and others miss entirely. But if we were going to focus on the naming or the founding a Phoenix or even the whole state of Arizona these are loaded names that mean something to people in the know how did they get them because you seem to be at the mindset that this was very calculated free masonic operation from start right

07:56 Yeah so i'm gonna give up some of the long answer here but it's gonna come back around the conversation when we get there later on to understand everything about phoenix and why is a hive of free masonry you have to understand the ancient culture that used to be here. Anthropologist archaeologists the group native americans kind of into two groups tribes after fifteen hundred or spanish european contact and cultures prior to that cuz really don't know a lot about them. And we just kinda separate them by artwork in burial rights trading patterns architecture in the phoenix area was a culture by the name of the home, h o h ok m how come

08:38 And that's a pima word and local tribe today and the world means those were vanquished those are all used up they were here between about three hundred bc and fourteen twenty five ad. And they were known for doing primarily two things one of which was digging canals they constructed a canal system in the phoenix basin or the salt river valley, of over one thousand miles of canals two hundred miles of which were called trunk canal seven seventy feet across by twenty feet deep. And if you're gonna math that's about fifty four point six million cubic yards of earth those then fed out and the feeder canals in distribution canals eight hundred miles,

09:22 Twenty feet across by five deep in the air get a hundred thousand acres of land wow yeah this is not just spear chuck and hide where i'm wagon burning savages you got some serious engineering going on here and this is where i first dove into the beginning of my journey when starting here, They found the canals were all covered in the floods that happen from fourteen twenty five cents i just cover all these canals and that's when the whole com dispersed. But before we get there know that these canals are dug to a perfect gradient of three to four feet drop per mile, any reason why that great is important because for the salt in the salt river

10:06 It's the perfect gradient so that it doesn't i eat here out the sides of the canals or dozen deposit. And fill them up they used we're switches a three quarter damn pointing up flow so pressurize the water to get to go over, i feel your pump uphill a little bit the utilized floodgates and a farm fish in these canals their main crop was cotton Which are can stay if you're thinking along the lines here in fact today that pima indian still produce a cotton called peanut cotton if you ever bought that. Men shirts and sheets made out of peanut cotton the second finest caught on earth, that's because the botanist came here nineteen oh five found this car that been grown for two thousand years in the phoenix basin and hybrid with egyptians train and they still grow it today but to the point here

10:58 You have this ancient culture called the whole com who constructed over one thousand miles of canals to a perfect gradient they had no written language. They left no mathematics they had no metallurgy skills they had no wheel and i had no pack animals supposedly dog these canals with sharp sticks and flat rocks in the move the dirt with baskets from yucca cactus fiber, Okay, there are other accomplishment was platform mounds. We know the biggest platform mound in the United States to be at Cahokia in southern Illinois has a footprint of about 14 acres That's one acre bigger than the pyramid of Giza you know The Great Pyramid on the Giza Plateau You don't see any platform mountains again till you get out to Phoenix and when the founding fathers got here they found 48 of them

11:45 Three of which are still around the rest have been demolished in the late 1800s early 1900's because it was primary farming area and they had to bulldoze them down and blade them down so they could plant. In fact if you had a canal, if you had an ancient ho-ho-kum canal or a platform out on your property It was worth less money back in the day at turn of the century because you had to do work before you could plant it strangely enough But all this history just got bulldozed over and it's still today underneath modern day Phoenix. You can go to parks in central phoenix and south phoenix, and you go on the back there and you will find pottery shards all the time. All this history is very real and relevant today

12:27 When the founding fathers got here about 18 well when they named phoenix in eighteen sixty eight there's a couple primary fathers that i've written about him lord darryl dupa and fell by the name of jack swelling we know lord dupa was a high ranking free mason rumored to be thirty second but no one really has any proof of that He came from a well to do family in with whales i believe and he traveled the whole world found his way to phoenix and made this is home Him and jack swelling a bunch of other founding fathers were sitting on some ruins some hokum ruins about a mile from the airport right now, is called pebble ground it is a museum and talks about those platform mounds and all those canals i just told you bout. Pretty cool five dollars to get in need to walk up on top of this platform out one of three left

13:21 The trying to decide what's in the martown and our name was called pumpkin bill. That was a first name not know that is pumpkin though i hate it we almost became known swilling after jack they almost named us stonewall because most of the founding fathers were veterans from the war northern aggression will speak in onus salina, after the salty river salt river runs through phoenix but lord darryl do pasta up and he says Gentlemen this can now was constructed in an age now forgotten prehistoric cities lie in ruins all around you a great ancient civilization once thrived in the valley let the new city arise from its ashes what it be called phoenix. And that's how we got him yeah it harkens right back to the whole time we were named for this ancient culture,

14:13 Pretty cool he also wanted to be in the town of ten people you for the temp years on a right issue well, can't be was named by lord daryl do as well if your gonda grease there is a valley called the vail attendee or the veil of tempe and it's not unlike thermopolises that strategic location it's gorgeous run through this rocky outcropping and. Only one way through it will the greek believe that when i got on the mobile coils and came down they spent their time hanging out in this beautiful temperate green place down there. Well if you ever been to tempia arizona there is a rock outcropping on both sides of the two freeway goes through them as called the mountains, and that's a conglomerate rock formation that rises out of the luvio philip phoenix basin what does that pushes the water

15:03 The salt river water up to the surface there so even in times of drought back in ancient days there was always water right at ten piares on a will this spot in the eighteen hundreds reminded lord do you have ten degrees so he needed ten years. If you travel the rest of our state, you will find Egyptian names from southern Arizona all the way to especially the Grand Canyon. There's tons of Egyptian and Hindu names all through the Grand Canyon. The Masons really got here first and they claimed it. They grabbed all their resources, they implemented their institutions, and today they're still allocating these resources and managing them for whomever. I don't pretend that know all that but

15:46 That's kind of where it's at today. Very interesting man and i've interviewed so many guests and researchers about the idea that when it comes to the elite they have this secret religion so much what they do has egyptian or babylonian symbolism its drenched all over the place, and they have a tendency to try to rebuild or recreate biblical events in locations and it seems like phoenix arizona and the surrounding area There might be something in that mix making a city of modern phoenicians i mean finnick lee they pay a lot of attention to those types the details it seems yes they do if you follow western civilization, we know that samaria was the first right and from there egypt came out and of course you have no one's not finished and all the other jared cultures and their from there went into greece. And then to rome

16:40 And then to england or europe right and london actually means new rome i'm sure you know that. And then we came over to the united states and we have washington dc or the district of columbia columbia is the goddess isis. Add them we had a western expansion across the united states it's just one big continuation with the same religion the same backbone the same god in goddesses with new names but its the same ceremony and religion dogma all the way through, what you learn how to read it you can just go right back and connect the dots all the way back to the beginning You can even go back and study other people's work you can say the people in charge there the same people the same family should know we all know that i just love how this local researcher doing ties into the big story and.

17:29 Speaking of weird secret beliefs of the elite i was also really interested in hunts tomb for people who are familiar george w.p hunt, what is arizona's first governor and he had a pyramid to built and nineteen thirty one for his family himself you also note that this isn't an arbitrary thing because it's the exact same size as the capstone of the Great Pyramid was. Of course, it's not there now but dimensionally it fits and he was a high-ranking Freemason who oversaw the dedication of every Masonic lodge founded in Arizona when he was alive so he really seems to know some stuff and Egyptian mysteries and sacred geometry are always just a big part of that knowledge I guess what else do you find interesting about Hunt or his tomb?

18:16 You know i was there this week and it's just on the way home i stop their walk up there next to my think sometimes and yeah there is a pyramid technically it is a capstone. Added measures the same size as the missing capstone from the top of the pyramid in giza over there who was pyramid george wiley paul hunt, From huntsville missouri came out here seven term governor of arizona state of arizona as well as i believe the territorial governors welfare while, he can hear and give me one he was a bad ass they called him the walrus it was liberal i mean in the jeffersonian. Turn liberal is a true liberal thinker

19:02 Progressive with women's rights and voting all that stuff but he was a bona fide thirty second degree scottish right free mason and he was all over the state of arizona himself made man to get his history, tough as nails kind of up by the bootstrap kinda guy educated himself. And if you go to papa park right next to ten p arizona named after the vail attempt increase, you will go place called the hole in the rock that's apart there at papago park and near this. Ancient hokum rq astronomical calendar which is just off to the north of the pyramid you will find hunts tomb and seven people are buried in that too with him it looks

19:50 identical to the pyramid on the back of the one dollar bill in fact it is the same angle i just went up there this week to do some more research on it took measurements and it is the same angle as the pyramid on them back the one dollar bill. That of course get into the latitude lines and sacred geometry with the seventy two squares you know bricks that are in that, it is masonic all the way and what's really frustrating as researcher here You can go there and hear the rangers in the park range all he was just a quirky arizona guy and all this egyptian stuff all those free masonry, all these ancient cultic symbol is embedded into our very fabric of arizona is dismissed every time some quirky western caricature you know.

20:36 It's frustrating it really is but it's there for the whole world to see his white and color has four inch by four inch white tiles interestingly enough the gypsum of course covered their pyramid without white limestone you can see it up to twenty five forty miles away it's been reported. Governor hunk over his pyramid with white tiles, And the angel who can't which we just talked about those forty eight platform mounds they believe they covered with a college which is a white clay about three feet under, the valley floor in phoenix insta remnant of an ancient ocean that was here years ago the western interior c.

21:14 It's really thick and it's hard to manipulate move but we know they covered their platform out with this white clay as well to make it visible so we have a lot of symbology going on here, what time together ancient egypt with the modern day phoenix with the old com who live in this valley once again. Not just the pyramid itself but the pyramid is three levels high there's three main levels including. The stone pad it sits on and that is the three degrees of free masonry you know the entered apprentice the fellow craft in the master mason when you look at from, the air on google earth it looks like steps or three steps as well so this is truly been built in three dimensions

21:58 On top of an ancient whole com powerpoint you like that ancient earth magic the ancient earth energy. Right now is gonna be one of my questions for ya i had pulled a lengthy paragraph off your website that you pretty much gave us all the good stuff out of, you're clearly recognizing some important details but i'm interested in this ancient earth magic and the ho come you right that it was astrological magic and I'm just curious if you can elaborate on what you think the ancients were doing exactly, magic-wise. Because i see the attraction to some of these energy points...I see the smoke but I don't understand the fire fully there seems to be differing opinions out there or at least some holes in the full picture Can you tell us anything more?

22:45 Be a tour guide spent a lot of time in sedona and i understand the theories about the earth energy in the way lines are dragging lines i have navajo friends native american friends talk about this roundabout but i don't pretend to understand exactly how it works other than that there are points on the earth obviously, is that these sacred sites line up with. You can go to all the ancient megalithic sites and there's of course video after video about people's research right from peru to egypt to turkey all over. And these sites are always there when the muslims come in and conquer the christians they'll turn on church and build it, write on top of that church with a christian going take over the pagans will builder churches right on top of that as the same thing with this continent

23:32 I don't believe that the european colonization of america was the first time. Other people were over here is obvious beyond the pale to me that we have been here, over and over and over again how many times who knows but. We know about ten thousand years everything goes back to dirt rust dissolve gone you don't even know that it was there except for the mines ancient minds right the pyramid thing got a stone that stuff sticks around right and thats what we're finding across this country in arizona today You know i work the grand canyon for a year and they find stuff in the grand canyon all the time yes but as far as hunt goes as far as the two of us have been going through the actual phoenix itself and there are power points and their our buildings.

24:20 Significance at certain locations in the phoenix valley get all that later if you want as well but this papago park is definitely a powerpoint, the military has an underground base right there i don't know if you know that or not didn't know that yeah on the west side of this park it's bedrock really hard conglomerate rock and they go straight down in a body of mine was a contract to go down seven rate levels. No one really in phoenix knows that but yeah why is the military there doing what they're doing this is a harder location i don't know about i can find anything else about that it's mom's the word on that you know. Right and they are just so many interesting little,

25:00 bullet points and red flags you can point to that there's just something in the periphery here in Phoenix that a lot of people seem to know about but it under wraps, its in the shadows and you probably have to be initiated to really get a handle on exactly why it is important and what those ancients were doing. I mean obviously thats a big question, cant expect you to know but I definitely notice those same patterns of rebuilding on the Earths energy grid and just this certain like even military bases internationally were told are usually about controlling these places, banks churches yes everything they can do and let me ask you I guess a little more practical question that i've heard you talk about that also just think is quite interesting. I never really thought about it much but you've written about the natural environment in Arizona itself how similar to places where civilizations tend

25:51 to develop, why is this template of a dry desert with the river running through it so typical for civilizations as a starting place as opposed to areas that are more lush? Yeah this occurred to me after my probably four hundred two or down here given sonoran desert ethical botanical tours and it really occur to me one day on these people were thriving is ancient hoho calm we're thriving first of all, there are six rivers that meet in phoenix right with the healer river the salt river the birdie new river aqua free and the house and buy some of those meet the other rivers but they needed a place called three three which is about seven miles west downtown phoenix so

26:32 So imagine hundreds of years ago six riparian lush water systems flowing in from three directions into the valley where gently rolls through and can be irrigated informed. Those were highways back in the day going out to the great plains new mexico up to the anasazi culture and four corners area to all that, sinaguan aqua free and muggy on salado cultures to the north of which the grand canyon in the petai and culture in colorado plateau to the west everything anything flooding from. Anywhere america down had come through phoenix anything from you can talk about how to come right through phoenix and

27:13 Is it from these canal systems the amount of labor and time what are taken to done that people been here for a long time probably the beginning we look over to the middle east you have iraq, you have afghanistan pakistan right these deserts where we know that civilization started maybe not. Humanity but civilization definitely the first recorded civilization with summer and that is modern day baghdad. And it's because in my opinion it is a desert you have a hot dry climate with perennial water sources coming through, this allows for three to four planting seasons per year specially if we have good green like corn you can get two plannings of that then your tubers right in the fall if you ever garden your spring greens near fall greens

28:03 You can farm as the water comes in and floods your rivers like denial it read a positive more nutrients right and then it goes back down again so you have a cycle there are no tropical diseases could not in the jungle ride so you don't fight that life is little tougher in certain ways and. We see a lot of violence coming out of jungle cultures right, All the way around the world no matter what kind of your on and they say it's because the anthropologist said because life is easier so people in a little hand the devils work to spend time fighting instead of surviving. And they put all their energy to that need to develop violent cultures well you don't see a lot of violent culture developing, end desert cultures and because that you have more cooperative cultures like the hopei like the ancient arab cultures and you have no snow you know downtime

28:54 You don't have to plan and sit around for six months you know you can keep working this allows for more food the sales from work. Time they start developing technologies and more religion and ideas and kind of just get a jumpstart on civilization i don't think it's a coincidence that we see these ancient technology in the canals and the platform mountains here in phoenix there we see in the middle east, Yeah man i just thought a lot of that was really fascinating is that ever thought about it much either especially the point you just made about, are the scale of violence and jungle cultures versus something like ancient egypt or these places that are more. Desert like me i definitely think there's a link between place and psyche that we are as much apart of our environment has environments part us and

29:46 I don't know, there's something there. But just the idea of there being less disease mild or winter fewer dangerous animals are at least better visibility river travel for trade trade those are just great points and it's weird to Think about Arizona in that context of being a match for all that and then you know, you get into reading between the lines of its history. And maybe there's been multiple cultural layers some obviously suppressed and it all just forms a pretty interesting picture of the area when we generally write off the Southwest. You know? We don't think about the American Southwest generally as all that interesting but it definitely seems to be

30:31 No and i'll tell you what i tell people when i take him out into the desert on tour we think of america starting with your western with a cowboys but it didn't going backwards, we have the american right and then we had the mexicans part x is all mexico. And then it was a spaniard new wave our newspain prior to that it was pm area alta which was the pima empire prior to that it was the whole calm for sixteen hundred years Prior to that it was the archaic cultures in a basket weaving cultures we know prior to that i was the clover's culture is about as far as we can really find stuff going back on but when you get into. The stories of atlantis and play don't start all they talk about far away lands when u talk about more modern like the main dynasty right now the star fleet and

31:21 He said what three hundred ships forward i believe and two didn't come back for about five years if i can make some we discover this great huge land off to the east end, we got the ships when inland and there's a huge canyon we could get the bottom of his massive unfathomable. Just talk to me i can only be the grand canyon you know when i spent time with a medicine man by the name of man and then up on the wall pie indian reservation years ago, i get set up on a mountain top him for about eight hours just listen to them and he said that. He was hunting bears boy something nineteen thirties it was down in canyons what's a tributary coming into the grand canyon instead he took refuge in a cave and he began finding symbols to know what they were

32:03 years later he found out they were chinese you went back and wrote them all down and there's a chinese written in these cave systems all through the grand candy says we don't know about all their chinese were here prior to the americans prior to the spanish without doubt, is this what matter of fact i think people been coming her for a long time. Well, not only just coming there but making your way to some remote natural beauty and then feeling the need to carve something in it is a very human thing to do if you've ever been anywhere remote or unique. Kind of a sad thing really but at least in this context it's a clue to the truth and the fact that someone would do that at any time depth is very easy for me to believe. It just makes sense

32:47 Yeah when you go through and you can study european colonization. World time school that the thought the world was flat right in a big chance coming over here bs no absolute bs the moors knew that it was round new was over here on sale with the mores and he knew that there was a spring over here will get out later but everyone knew the chinese new that the earth was around and i came over and sorry flattered there's out I respect your opinion you have great arguments by the way but what's something yeah. When we came over here i have a sneaky suspicion that these ancient societies and the monarchy, new they knew my heart was changing and the next phase was being laid out they got here first

33:37 They stick their claim and they made there western expansion and claimed all this territory from arizona i mean all of the whole country was taken by mason. I don't know if you notice but everyone who died at the alma mater free masons no, they found billy the kids apron couple years back pat garrett was amazing all these western men were mason stale came out buffalo bill cody with amazing. The history the southwest in masonry And further to my point the conquering and the acquisition in managing of the resources and that's what this is all about it's the control of the resources and thats where am i, research ties into all this ancient history they're still here in phoenix and laying out their fingerprints all over and manage the insurance companies and the water srp the salt river project and the colorado river pact.

34:26 What is life out there the manners of politics all that direction where the new highways are gonna go all these power points and they put their little, no shrines up everywhere they can to mark their territory right on the open for those who have the eyes to see it's over. Absolutely resource management something we take for granted because we get water pipe the door house so it just don't think about all that much but i live in san diego where they're finding people for watering their lawn meanwhile i drive down the highway and i see just these massive. Big agri farms weather just watering dirt or it's watering the highway road like their wasting gallons and so it's all about well you regular people need to conserve but we can't even touch the waste that, agricultural corporations are doing and of course they get a free pass sets just an interesting little side note but.

35:18 This is really awesome, and I'm sure you have just many personal anecdotes that are fascinating to someone like me. And to switch gears just a bit, I like this one section of your bio where you say... For awhile, you rode for a local ranch working cattle the old way and teamed up with an ol' prospector to explore the surrounding mountains & valleys Many afternoons were spent in trading posts listening to first-hand accounts of ruins, lost mines, secret springs and the caves deep in the desert. You then headed into the desert and found those places and more i mean wow man i'm always particularly interested in stories of caves an underground cities may pop up all over the southwest there's a pretty famous. Forty and story of finding the ruins of an ancient underground city giants and death valley for example sure but, i'm curious what you could tell us about lost mines are caves in that area that you find most interesting or have tried to find yourself

36:16 So when i was living in wiki up eighteen i met a little prospect of jim miller, I mean he was just a modern-day shady pirate of a guy you know that proverbial man with Pickaxe and the mule wandering out of the desert. Yeah, that was this dude He had a limp if he had a patch it actually did have a fake eye So, you know this was him and we just clicked he was a cool cat. He wasn't a prospecting He knew Carlos Castaneda from California. You known him for 10 years and worked with him over there so yet all these crazy stories in for an 18 year old boy That was awesome I was studying body at the time and he wasn't a prospect he had perpetual gold fever so we teamed up and i would go help him find mineral. In the desert because certain plants grow where certain minerals are heavier right now copper you can find more juniper june to find octo cactus over limestone deposits which is indicative of caves on non so we can doing all that,

37:16 There were some cowboys old mexican cowboys been in that area forever and they tell me about these spots back in the desert where these caves and cavets send, i went back there we found this indian barrel grounds we found places where people don't go. People think that everything's been found out here in the desert you know great if you think about it Probably all what percentage of people do you say get out here and walk around in the air is on a southwest in the back country man. Almost none because i just recently drove to and from vegas and i know it's obviously not the same but everywhere you look you just think go five hundred feet off this road who knows the last time a person actually stood there right we just drive on these two lane highways don't ever walk out even,

38:05 A hundred feet from that road. Yeah, I'd say probably 20-30% of the US population is healthy enough to go backpacking in this off trail rugged stuff out of them Probably 2 percent have the inclination to do so and out of them Probably almost none of them know what they're looking at once they get out there because they're just out there for recreation You know watching the birds and you know the rocks They're not looking for ruin systems or ancient markings How it all plays in line with the history and the patterns of migration so if you go out there looking for the right things your gonna find stuff. It's out there right now just laying there waiting for someone to connect those dots cornado i'm sorry cortez came up through the big sandy valley that's where wiki apps at a friend of mine showed me years ago jimmy, i'm not gonna give his last name on one is family harassed but he pulled out these beads show me strings of beads daddy had and they were clay hardened clay

38:59 And here's where you go down the rabbit hole partner yeah i saw these beats first hand touch them i looked at him for a couple hours while we made biscuits and bacon is that there in talk come to find out later he dies. I try to track these beads down last year i talk to his buddy and get a hold of me says yeah man you know we didn't know about those beads he's not gonna cave. About twelve miles north the wiki up off to side on the highway there is any found in nineteen seventies, can they have these little itching all around the world smooth head aching with no what the right word that way he had show because you know that i studied ancient cultures at that time come to find out, they took him to an expert and they were polynesian wow

39:43 Polynesian that's what the guy told me to either without a now back in the late seventies he had contact this is so you institute and told him that i had him and email them over there, you got a phone call about two weeks later saying anymore these things like nope no of course get hundreds more. What is it we don't know yet which can hang on to find anymore u let us know where to keep these they wouldn't give em back they wouldn't tell but They were polynesian when i took him in again the guy walked into the grooves and the clay and they found micro etchings, end the groove wow of this polish language yeah that's one thing that we find up there in wiki.

40:24 You know people have men have their proverbial man caves i have a cave you know i go to my cave up there and it's spring in the back of it no one ever goes back there are at some initials from cowboy from nineteen twenties i think on the wall but, it's an ancient putty in. Migration camp when they came through from the colorado delta up to the press area you know i know what it is i am done down but its there stuff all through their and it's amazing i discovered couple years ago some pictographs on the ceiling of a cave. Not far from wiki up and i took the photos to an expert on picture graphs in petroglyphs specifically arizona cultures, any he could not contain himself want me to take him out there

41:09 He's written three books on you know the stuff but we can never come to an agreement as to naming rights or anything else he just want to grab the glory of it and i'm working on a deal to take an expedition out there currently, what he says they're more likely put in if they are the only ones in existence. So their stuff out there man all over the desert im current anyone listening to this go on google earth go fifty mile radius of your home and start exploring your gonna find stuff man Yeah it's awesome i'm with you and i absolutely used to have this attitude that everything has been discovered and there is no great mysteries and that is so so untrue, nobody spotlight is on ancient american cultures for the most part i think theirs malls built right next to mounds in all kinds of crazy stuff like we probably covered a lot of it but i think they're still allowed out their all across america.

42:04 Yeah without a doubt without a doctor is you know it's like when we gave that worthless strip of land to the navajo years and years ago then they find out there uranium and coal under it right now so worthless anymore what are we gonna discover hundred years from now when we have equipment. To tap into dark matter energy where there's forces around us at these energy spots that are gonna be revalued You know that's what i think about when i walk by the ancient sites right so let me ask you about these stories of ancient giants or this uh... all this cannibalistic tribe of red haired giants that some native american tribes have legends up do you think there is truth to that again the smithsonian comes up in those stories not returning the bones that were sent to them so that was kind of interesting correlation there but

42:55 What are your thoughts on those stories so giants are one of my favorite topics. Of course i'll never be a stephen quayle he writes amazing information about it but not all that there's a lot of him because he can't you know get everything I've asked everyone my native american friends apache hope you now the whole pie you every one of them without fail talk about giants not only the fact that they were cannibals and hunted humans but. That sometimes a came from those giant as well and it is ubiquitous just like genesis six four talks about the creation story those giants are always tied to a flood story there's a store i wrote about

43:39 hulk h o apostrophe okay down here on the river with the people there's k which is a modern day story of a so called alleged giant. Around the hoover damn that they found the bones right something i believe fifty, there's the red hair giants up in. The love lock cave and nevada the navajo have the stories of the twin giants writing the answer of the jones twins that kill them The apaches call the giants the wind up and they live in the superstition mountains just east of phoenix arizona, in fact if you ever come to the valley any go out towards patchy junction into this superstitions you see all these rocks spires. Coming up on the west side will they believe that those are the giants that got caught by the water can get up and turn to stone which kind of ties into the story of what was on the more when his wife turns around it turns to a pillar of ash or assault pillar

44:36 You see congruence is in these metaphors through these ancient native american stories and the biblical ones and the biblical one is the one night you know. In european another story's i'm sure they go into all the other creation stories as well we know that the vedic talk about him india right angel island gay like the pagans talk about it ancient england has for giants just ubiquitous and here on the southwest its no different a couple commonalities between all the stories, Is that there's a woman who goes off on her own and she is for sure raped in the desert comes back. And nine months later gives birth to a large child,

45:16 I'll just kinda retell the story of hope for you here this takes place not far from san tan which is kind of town but it can be considered a suburb of phoenix off to the south east, the sand and mountains in the hill indian tribe out there i want to go out gets violated gives birth to a girl and the girl is. Big and she bites a lot and she's violent cries a lot and as she grows older. You know she starts developing these paws like feet i pause of the dog or animal and she has claws on her hand not nails, Any other boys won't play with their girls will play with her so she joins the hunting parties with a man and she hunts with the men for a couple years and after while the menu i can't even mean you know if she's like chasing down rabbits rip apart with your teeth in, and she fighting with them and she killed a man once and no more she had to come up with this anymore she got control show they kick around of the tribe and she goes to live in a cave.

46:12 In the sand town mountains i know right where the caves and been there yet cuz it's on the indian res and i don't know any any healer, native take me out there but its their big effigy by the way made in rocks at the base of this cave that's for her still there today this rock design at the bottom of this cave is still out there. But she goes to live in this cave and notice you no months later that all the deer disappearing And then the children start disappearing and they realize that she has this insatiable appetite and hunger. Any know what's going on so we go to the medicine man say what are we gonna do and if they will throw a big party for her, add we have to kill or somehow so let's get drunk anyway the story goes on but they bring your to the festival and four days ago alcohol fermented cactus fruit wine and dance maker exhausted in the carrier back to her cave

47:04 Any sticker in this cave and a pile up with mesquite wood light on fire and she screams that she's dying. And she is dead the story goes on from there that her spirit comes out of body and cracks top of the cave in order to crack in the rock right there and it shoots into bird no bird comes down When's the pot of beans and some medicine man eats the beans so it's possession the story goes on to, possession and they have to go to the top of south mountain in south phoenix get a medicine man to come down that's where the medicine men live in south mountains its own thing as well but they eventually get rid of the spirit of hulk. And she no longer torment them

47:44 It's kinda crazy if you start studying native american stories mythology you know where the lines are drawn between the morals right. Yeah actual event can i get a bible with the parables and what not, I love those kind of stories and i just love the tales of giants it seems so far fetched but i think there's enough there to know put in the true column and i took a research tour, of armenia with graham hancock couple years ago is like two weeks and. the local researchers would talk about giants and places where bones were found in gram what role is eyes and say wasn't interested in those giant stories didn't believe him for that i would always pry a little bit more i'd be like you know i get the translator hey can us baskin a little more about that giant thing like an idea of few more sentences

48:38 And I just love to throw that out there because these local Armenian researchers have almost zero reach, but they also have a lot of fascinating stuff they found in the area. But to go back to that section of your bio that I read it in that paragraph you mentioned secret springs and I'm curious if this is a reference to Castle Hot Springs or something else? No There's other springs out there on map you have to keep in mind that i walked and backpack miles and miles and miles of desert and there something mystical and little spiritual sacred about water in the desert, there are springs better not maps out their secret springs.

49:19 that are coming out of an old pipe you know that some cowboy stuck in the ground or underground and don't surface and you can go under these caves and find them there are secret springs in the desert. And thats what I was talking about, there is a half breed eddie benegas half mexican cowboy out there back then i used to brew beer he was a bit of a imbiber, you come over and i would give my homeboy tell me these ancient stories all the secrets of the desert how dare you get arrangement And he told me to get your maps and we sit there have a couple bruise in here tell me where these ancient places were i was lucky i was lucky to have him there. But yeah they're out their castle hot springs is another story yet you set the base of the bradshaw mountains it is the first territorial,

50:07 Capital of arizona before rolling around. It's very powerful spot is known as the healing springs to the apply as well as the patch even in times of war people were granted pass to go in there, More modern day times when the colonization happened. The governors in a wealthy carnegie's rockefeller would come to arizona date hang out there and springs later on jfk came their any healed up right, what's up famous people wealthy people have come from around the world to sit in these springs castle hot springs is known as the deepest rock water. In arizona that we know of it at least seven thousand feet deep

50:45 It comes out i want to see it i can't remember what the article years ago is one hundred and twenty degrees i think and there's three pools in each pulls a little bit cooler. They built the capital of arizona right there and when the train came through wickenburg stagecoach would run up there in those mountains to where that was these two hang people from the front steps this terrible it was the governor's office and it was the hanging tree and it was the whole you know business everything is kinda cool piece of history. It was bought out by number different people through the years, Arizona state university bought it and as of last year i think you just changed hands again i have to who's got but they're talking about opening up back up for a membership send to go in there and sit on the springs and heal. So this caught my attention because i had been studying the colonization, our country and ponce de leon right now found of youth

51:41 Will this also ties into a guy who was doing a lot of work here in the seventies on the monotonic gold you heard that whole thing started right here in phoenix he was a farmer to the southwest and. He had was trying figure out how to chemically get rid of the alkaline soil his point chemicals on a soil and He takes in the soul to get assay any finds this new element right it intrigues him he spends hundreds of thousands of dollars and by the spectrometer, and discovers a new element what he calls monotonic gold when you hit certain frequency for the burn off it leaves the dimension it disappears completely then reappears again while this is happening.

52:23 He's patenting it he is forming his own dare i say religion but you still out there. You can look up monotonic gold and get all the research yourself its quite copious exhaustive to the truth what do you saying is that this model atomic gold, Is what bridges the synopsis in the brain kinda like spice on a movie doing your old sci fi dune yes basically is just like spice and that the natives would eat it medicine man would he's parking back to ancient egypt with moses and mount sinai that they use to manufacture there. Well i met a guy in florida,

53:01 Who said yeah well the fountain of youth down here in for what it is you have this gold washing off of the mainland it hits, no limestone bed and it goes down deep in those caverns becomes pressurized all these heavy metal sinks way way way way down there. Can you have a new trisha salts coming off the ocean All this cocktail getting pressurized underground for who knows how long and then coming up in artesian spring so a natural engine or natural foundry if you will that creates the monotonic gold under ground to the salt in the limestone nutrition soils they heat no pressure and then coming up through an artesian spring, what is back to arizona here the bradshaw mountains are.

53:51 The most mineral eyes mountain range united states of america it's been told there is more heavy metals gold silver metal around that mountain anywhere else the concentration only its not confident enough to actually. Dig it out all spread out what you have on the southern end of that right at the bottom that drainage, Spring coming up what's the chances of those heavy metals going down and pressurizing seven thousand feet in coming up we know there is a healing spring their that's been revered by all native americans in ancient times, we know that the wealthy in the elite came here the first thing they did near zona was build a territory capital on the spring. There something to it you know i'm convinced money and wealth and power does not gravitate arbitrarily

54:37 They seek out power and they take the good stuff if they came right here when i first got to arizona there's a reason for it, you know we wouldn't know until nineteen seventies about monotonic gold but i think that the science. Underneath and that's for someone else ago through and figure out how can be expert everything but i can connect enough dot tell me something there Absolutely man we have talked on the show about alchemy and the idea of or miss i think that's what another term people use for this stuff in you mentioned that popping into another dimension as exactly how they describe this stuff there is a documentary out there called all the gold you can eat where guy talks to five or six different,

55:18 Older gentleman who have spent their lives keeping this secret or working on this in secret and it's fascinating i mean there is even some suggestion that the large. Corporations know the stuff and they have highly guarded secret, Bunkers where they're actually making the things that they're saying are artificially scarce. I mean who knows you can imagine that would just be something that would be one of the biggest secrets you'd want to keep and in terms of water yeah absolutely think water has healing properties in certain conditions maybe natural sites did give ancient people Inside of this and there's techniques probably to amplify it further is no surprise that are modern water supply is such shit quality in this information so suppressed. And as a side note this was something that I thought was pretty damn interesting to from your article about castle hot springs david copperfield,

56:13 As claimed to have discovered a fountain of youth on one of his 11 islands purchased in 2006 for 50 million dollars. To quote Mr. Copperfield, I've discovered a true phenomenon you can take dead leaves they come in contact with the water and become full-of-life again bugs or insects that are near death come in contact with the water and they'll fly away it's an amazing thing very very exciting he also states we found this liquid that in its simple stages can actually do miraculous things. Brown leaves turn green, it is natural. Simple organisms that are near death are rejuvenated so we don't know about the effects on humans but we're doing research and development I mean that sounds like this kind of monoatomic gold ormis fluid i mean It all ties into ether physics and all this stuff I think is suppressed and also synergistic like you mentioned earlier

57:08 All ties in together and to point out david copperfield island are that far from florida. It's right there it's a raft the coast their it's like i said early on everything eventually ties intogether at some point, it's really hard to stay on topic what you talk about this stuff cuz the giants going to the bottom of the top which is just all ties together so Nuts fascinating it's really amazing stuff and to talk about another ancient site that somewhat of a mystery we've all probably heard, about the nasca lines these giant animals in humanoid figure outlines are made be seen from the sky which begs the question why would a civilization hundreds or thousands of years before conventional air travel put so much energy into building things you can only see from the sky well. Arizona actually has a site that's quite similar doesn't it

57:58 It does are called the blight and tag leo's that's the name for them right outside of life california on the california side there but there are several of them along the river all the way into the phoenix area if you know where to look they don't like talking about. The archaeologist don't want people out there messing with them they're made the exact same way there is a tarnish to put in a rock on the desert for that has been baked their for millions of years and. They move that rock aside and uncovered the lighter rock underneath it, add these designs that whomever may we know who made em are a horse or dog like creature there's one of a woman with really really long arms there's another one of someone spearing fish

58:43 And there's other ones there as well there is also the one like i mentioned just a minute ago with whole rocks are laid out their some of understand along the river not far from here bend, how did the desert along the river as well so they're all out there. To me it would make sense that the nasa's or maybe someone who was there with them migrated up their nowhere near as big and as perfect an intricate, add the ones in nasa but they are here is kinda like it would be the last lines what the later pyramids were in egypt to the great pyramid right just work quite awesome. They came after no doubt yeah they're here

59:27 i saw the pictures that you put up of them they're pretty impressive i mean a lot of people probably see these nasca lines on tv and like man i wish i could go there meanwhile your probably just a few states over from something very very similar is not on television so you didn't know about it's just crazy. Yeah in date dot through nasty natives they said why did you guys build this and thats mojave country no we did make it here when we got here You know, I love that kind of stuff. You know, I've asked a lot of guests about insight from Native American tribes because it is so

1:00:05 Kept close to the chest for them. They don't really give a lot of the secrets out and why would they you know, we don't really deserve them in a lot of cases but there are people like yourself who do make friends with them and sometimes get great insight from them when they open up a little bit I'm just curious broadly speaking if You could talk this a little bit more about that kind of thing because it's just like where else are we gonna learn this stuff? Yeah when you're talking with natives first of all they like everyone else there just human there just people right they know what they know european specially have something to do like magical creatures or something not their skin mammals the possible thumbs just like us and, they have cell phones and drive chevy trucks but they have something else i haven't ancient history that they don't want to be corrupted.

1:00:59 You know when i talk to my friend albert he's full blooded mescal era hill tell me stories of you know what is grandfather told but they only know what they know, some natives are more willing to talk about this stuff others are i've written a ton about skinwalkers and i have a gentleman i been in touch with from the resin he's open about skinwalker one of the only names ever known who is most will not You just gotta be courteous and you have to know when the stop asking questions and you have to ask a question certain way without being intrusive and it's just respect and politeness but if u let them tell you what they wanna tell you. If you know how to listen your really start picking stuff up,

1:01:41 If that makes any sense does you know i have a really good friend who's half pie you grew up with and we can get them we did a lot of hunting together he taught me no need to be a little bit more than the average person would anyone else when is it the grand canyon i guided with a hope we live in the same home for about a year we were. What makes right next door so weird grab bottle wine and we also there and talk and of course we're all interested what he had to say and you just leave stories and details those people whose coyote clan so he was a warrior using the marine corps, You know he ties is ancient duty as the coyote clan into the modern day life so you went to the marines and you want a battle came back and use now guide at the grand canyon, they will tell you all kinds of really cool stuff and if u ask. No if they can tell you that well if they say i don't talk about that okay school but they generally won't volunteer lot information in the themselves

1:02:32 Don't put it into a context that you and i are discussing now they might know the story. Right but they don't know what it means in relation to the ancient bible or the metaphysics that we're talking about so they don't have all the pieces either Well man this has been really interesting a lot of fun i know there's so much more to talk about hopefully we can do it again sometime i'd love to great until then do remind the people where to find your website and any other work you got going on. I got my website i'm a one man show it is the phoenix and negma dot com the phoenix and negma dot com. Of course i gotta pay tree on there because im just if you wanna support my work please like really use that mother than a bag for money but if you would like to support that is there as well i would appreciate if u do i have a youtube channel where i cover the majority of my political deal things,

1:03:29 And the website even though it's been more political i am gearing back into the phoenix area as of recently a lot of stuff i've been working on behind the scenes and some is going to come to fruition my book should be out early next year or mid next year, i have to get edited and its gonna be. Concentrating on the fingerprints of masonry in the phoenix area that's all it's gonna be about going deep into what we didn't talk a lot about today when another show on that by all means give me a call and we can talk about just that yeah when the book launches we should. Yeah it's gonna be a book dedicated to just that and its fascinating stuff but,

1:04:07 Then you're my website i throw in some stuff you know some fun stuff about cactus everyone's wildest of the interest me being a botanist and what not. That's my work that's why do it is a great website and any interest of trying to coax out some support do you have any patrion specific content for those people that do supports financially, I will i just open my page on a few weeks ago so it's brand new and i will be making one video a month for just them, you know i got a couple i don't have too many tears i want to make really simple thing three dollar five dollars ten dollar maybe advertising one for sixty bucks a month you got someone to sell. Put an ad on my website for sixty bucks leave their work out give me a call when you help each other out in the genre no yes i agree i agree

1:04:53 Well awesome again fascinating stuff i do wish i had a guy like you and every weird city across america major respect for doing this work and i hope you keep it up thanks for taking the time to go over some of that take care out there well thank you for your time today i do appreciate. You got it Heyo Hireside Chatters, back in the saddle another one on the books. Corey Daniel with The Fire of a Thousand Suns! I don't really know what i'm saying guys but I thought that was a fucking pretty solid show if you ask me when I found the Phoenix Enigma website I saw more than enough to know we could have a good time thankfully Corey actually got back to me and we were able to forge a pretty fun path through his work

1:05:37 And he's a pretty good speaker for not having done very many interviews. Hopefully, he is going to get more requests now because I'm sure there are a decent amount of podcast hosts listening who are gonna want to pick his brain and that's great! I've lived in some rural areas but nothing as barren as the Arizona desert and i just think it's really impressive that he has cultivated all this knowledge, spent time with people even less connected to society and just heard their tales old ranchers and prospectors. These are the sorts of insights that I would love to dig out of obscurity and broadcast to all you guys. I just get this special tingle from that, I don't know why...

1:06:20 But what I was getting at is that even though i had a lot of questions and material fleshed out, I started to feel like getting a lot more open-ended because these little side stories and anecdotes tended to come out a bit more. And that is, to me one of those in the moment things you got to go with because you're not going to get it next time. I can always pull up his articles again if we have another show. I wanted to follow a few more of those personal leads And I think there are a lot of small town stories, so to speak that die out because they aren't told. Luckily the technology makes it possible for us to reach those remote areas before it slowly kills us. I thought this episode fit nicely with Michael Wann of the Sasquahanna River Alchemy episode and Ross Ben with The Philadelphia Ben Franklin Show as I said in the beginning

1:07:13 And this was obviously a bit broader than the description of some overarching ritual, but I still feel like we got our hands all over the elephant. There's definitely more meat on the esoteric Freemasonic Phoenix bone But now i do feel like phoenix is a pretty special place to those settlement sorcerers and it's not a city that was on my radar really at all! I just can't imagine soaking up all this knowledge that he has largely in isolation For me, it's just nice to be able to appreciate and then amplify that. And I hope you're into it too! I can't imagine you wouldn't if you're a THC fan. I'm not so sure about the jungle cultures vs desert cultures and violence thing the more I think about it though. Because like look at the Middle East... That's pretty violent. Look at shamanism in the Amazon. I know that's just an element of culture but it has to create a little bit of peaceful environment

1:08:12 I really just don't know enough about that to be weighing in or speculating, but when Corey brought it up. I thought it was an interesting concept. I definitely could understand how the environment would have such an effect on the psyche. I looked up some articles that said that It's just... The more warmer is the more violent a culture as I don't think it's THAT simple I mean, maybe it's just more general irritation. The heat is irritating but so are the bugs of the jungle that you wouldn't get in the desert You know give me a week of that and i'd be pretty ready to rip somebody's head off...I don't know But in THC news! I am sorry for the large gap in shows. I had two on the calendar that had to be pushed back a couple weeks So I was kind of just waiting around

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1:12:31 These things happen and I do have to wonder like am i going to be able to do this show in 20 years? Maybe I should put a little more energy and fuel into the pitch for the premium version. And I know everybody's probably wondering what was in this plush show well, I'm gonna tell you we talked about Arizona's own Nazca lines did you know that? Did you know Arizona had a Nazca lines type Thane? The Blythe Entaglios. How about that, Google that! We also talked about the secrets and rumors of the Grand Canyon Charles Dutton the US Reclamation Act Seth Tanner and The Forbidden Cave Story The Sedona Vortexes De-occulting John McCain's Freemasonic Funeral Ritual Now THAT was interesting There were a lot of weird things about McCain's funeral Of course he was an Arizona Senator

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1:14:20 Also in today's plush show that little anecdote about the glass company working on military contracts harnessing new properties of light. That was pretty damn interesting see i don't always need an author promoting a new book sometimes people just out and the world get little breadcrumbs to really out there stuff, And that's what I want those open lines to be. You know, these joint sessions we're doing? Give me your insights, your stories the little glimpses and clues that you've gotten at The Big Beast Last time I felt like it was a little more about promoting people and fighting over dietary choices Although the Unabomber caller was pretty damn compelling More of that

1:15:06 And remember, the next joint session where I sit here smoke and drink and answer your Skype calls or Zoom calls technically will be on the 25th of October. Not that long now! Coming up quick Either way, just to close this Plus thing out. Sign up for the whole shebang! If you're listening on your phone right now you can just click the text in the show description that talks about signing up for Plus it's a big link You click it...you put in your card two seconds later you add the new RSS feed Now you got Plus and we're best friends But as I said We are back in full swing I have these second and third shows of the month recorded already They are going into the editor

1:15:49 One of them is a return guest who is a preserver of an oral tradition, or should I say saga? And the other is a pretty perfect guest for this whole what's up with free energy devices ether physics and flying saucers kick I've been on because he runs those conferences. So I know you're gonna love him! And I'm outta here. I've done my part your move ancient secret keepers giant bone hiders and freemasons of Phoenix Your fucking move. You're gonna love this song too, and I kid! I kid the Freemasons. You would hardly recognize me i'm so glad now i'm amazing I don't care about you Why do I bother when your not in the club with me? I saw the sign In my eyes I saw the sign Like a steam engine

1:16:54 I saw the sun, as i saw the sun Three masons gonna bring you up Get you into the life where you are Under the pale moon These rituals will make who you are Nursing like you need joy A lot of scars I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes. I saw the sign, life is deep and understanding! I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes. I saw the sign this person's gonna bring you up, guide your way to the light where you- Oh oh oh oh! I saw the sign, it opened up my eyes and now yeah I'm happy

1:18:12 I have left you, I saw the sign And it opened up my eyes. I saw the sign Three minutes is gonna drag you out Guess we'll live to our life where you are I saw the sign Opened up my eyes, I saw the sign