Ben Joseph Stewart | Esoteric Agendas, Cosmic Colonization, & The Mud Flood

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01:38 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a I'm Greg Carlwood piece on The Hireside Chats It's the end of the world as we know it people, but I feel fine doing what we do. From sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood Just trying not to stare directly at the big huge hypnotic pocket watch of propaganda swinging to soothe the nation to sleep from cradle-to-grave Facilitating our mass form psychosis society and keeping the creative spirit of the people sufficiently suppressed between the morning commute and the nightly news

02:31 Sadly, it seems like we were all born into the third quarter of a game where the opposition has a double-digit lead. But who doesn't love an underdog story? Well the good news is that when you realize the world is run by a psychotic parasitic sorcerer class controlling this silent earth with a complex tapestry of tacit agreements deceptive symbolism linguistic programming and manipulative media... You don't often forget it And people like today's guest Ben Joseph Stewart have dedicated many hours to packaging metaphorical red pills into powerful paradigm-changing documentaries for years now. Those who remember the glory days of the early YouTube documentaries would most likely have stumbled across Ben's masterwork, Esoteric Agenda a personal favorite of mine from the much simpler times of 2008

03:17 Since then, Ben has made several other provocative films from Kymatica and Ungrip to the recently released Esoteric Agenda 2 and Awake in the Darkness just to name a few. He's also the man behind the aptly named Ben Stewart Podcast, as well as Waking Infinity News. You can find all that and more at his website benjosephstewart.com and it is a real pleasure to have him here! The esoteric agenda exposer, psychedelic cinema sage, and 8mm magician...Ben Joseph Stewart! Welcome to THC! Holy cow man i think I need you to just walk around with me whenever I go to parties and that way You can introduce Me like That I Like it I like It we'll talk

04:00 And man, this is a real honor. Going back to 2008 I was managing a Sunglass Hut kiosk in the Columbia Missouri mall and i probably kept Esoteric Agenda playing on my laptop for several weeks when I first discovered it one of the most impactful documentaries of my formative years one of the first really to weave magic into conspiracy it covers The Rothschild's Coven of the Golden Dawn, John D. and Queen Elizabeths, Saturnian symbolism, corporate logos, central banking in the Federal Reserve, the 13 Illuminati bloodlines, CFR, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg Group, and even a bit about how climate change would be a major catalyst for policies to control the people around

04:46 A real home run from the early days man. It felt like it went pretty viral but I am curious what kind of impact this first film made? What kind of feedback did you get because from where i was sitting, it seemed like it really put you on the map no? Hmm yeah it definitely did! You know...I guess the only thing I would say is right before making that film What my intent was, I was in a touring kind of prog rock group called Hyrosonic. And you can still find our album up on Spotify or last album which is out in 2011 but people were asking me like yo Ben I know that your lyrics are meant to be a little bit cryptic but we can tell that you're speaking about the world and not speaking about nothing so could just tell us what the message is about? That was in 2007 and I decided

05:34 Really when i saw zeitgeist that I wanted to make a film about what I was noticing in the world cuz like guys it came close to summing. The only thing that I felt was i'll say two things about zeitgeist, free for people it was anonymous it wasn't there for credit and adulation It was well done, it had a good soundtrack and the scope was huge. It wasn't all about one thing and I really appreciated that but the only thing that I saw that it was missing was...it didn't really leave you feeling hopeful And the kind of hopeful words at the end of it, it wasn't enough to really drive home- it didn't feel like it was researched. It just felt like some kind of like hopeful words at the end That's in no way whatsoever a dig at the film because

06:23 is still incredible, but that was me basically noticing that there was a gap that needed to be filled. You mentioned that magic and conspiracy hadn't really been combined at that time only in books had I seen it combined or YouTube lectures and I really liked how Michael Tasarian combined those things and I like the few other artists that were talking about those things but I really felt like I needed What Peter Joseph had done but include human potential and to me that inevitably includes magic even though that's still a word that people. They consistently go to the Hollywood version of what magic is and not the Arthur C Clarke any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, the kind of understanding that real magic in miracles and things are

07:15 reality playing itself out in ways that we can't conceive of but are nevertheless part of reality. So anyway, you know that was really the impetus to get into it but the impact... I didn't know what i was getting into because i never went to school, i never made demo reels and never tried to break in the market. I just decided you know what im gonna make a 15 minute film that has to do with the message of the band six months later i come to realize that it was a two hour film having nothing to do with the band and I don't think YouTube was a thing yet, or maybe it was but it wasn't on my radar. So it's just on Google videos and you could only upload 15 minutes at a time You couldn't upload longer things...I forget what the stipulation was But I just put the entire film up in fifteen minute segments And within a few weeks I realized that

08:08 I had no concept of what viral meant because i only sent it to a few people but, A lot of people were finding it. The numbers just rose and rose so when i started to conceive the fact that there's a way To get the word out to quite a few people I had some people saying When are you going to finish this film and put an ending on it? And that was when i was like oh You know if i finish it just like this then its Just a conspiracy film What I really need to do is speak about our human potential and really get to the point of what the esoteric agenda is, which I think is what has stuck with me for the longest time. When somebody says esoteric agendas like oh yeah, the esoteric agenda's what the bad people are doing and to me I'm like no there's really one conspirator beneath a conspiracy

08:54 and you could say that's the highest version of the self, you could say it's the Tao. Some would call it God or universal intelligence To me I just felt that none of this is wrong It's just kind of an abrupt awakening And shortly thereafter I started having people asking me Hey come down to the Amazon and try ayahuasca! And to me when I tried ayahuasca for the first time That really kinda sealed the deal Why sometimes conspiracy is necessary for people to hear now, people will push it away but I kind of feel like I've had people say, Ben why can't you just focus on the happier stuff? And you know you did psychedelica that was great. You did limitless talking about human potential Why can't you just focus on that kind of stuff and i say because there's already people out there they're doing that but nobody is bridging the gap between The uncomfortable things we should at least look at it. I'm not gonna call them uncomfortable truths because conspiracy people are just as biased as people outside of conspiracy Just a little bit more well read

09:57 And so the impact that I was getting was people were coming out of the woodwork saying, Ben you changed the way that I see the world. And I kept trying to put it back in more humble terms like hey listen I didn't wake you up, you woke you up all I did was I made a piece of art that had a message that came from my heart beyond that I didn't do anything that was you saying yes seeing what resonated about this film in your real life and realizing that you are more. You can bring more to the table than you've ever been told before because I was sick and tired of all these conspiracies that they disempower people, they just make people feel like yeah yep The problem is big getting bigger And your small getting smaller. I was tired of that so I really wanted to

10:48 push for people to understand there is something you can do. And it may not seem rational at this point, but it's just about trying and engaging and really stepping into I want to know what my potential is. I want to know where my community is. I wanna know what I can do because conspiracy didn't make me shove my head in the sand for me personally. It really caused me to notice the clarity of when there seems to be crisis All you really want to do is serve. All you really want to do is help and, and... You know? Do something good So that was the impact I was getting People were saying Ben, your film changed my life And that's when I noticed wow a film can really do alot so I started taking it more seriously When I did It just came out one year later And I think it made even bigger splash It even won the New York Independent Film Festival Award for most scientific film

11:47 So I started noticing that there was a not a market but a place for this in society and i kind of feel like you know just to ramp it all the way up to what i've been up too lately. Throughout all of 2021, I had my Waking Infinity news show going and still doing the same thing. I'm speaking about kind of like the nonsense that I see in the world and trying to make sense of it not as you know other people are just kinda crappy and they got their heads in the sand take a look at all the bad that's going on in the world is really trying to change the perspective of what's going on in the world

12:26 to this thing where humanity is just a disease on the planet, but really that like we're species that is in the process of waking up. Awakening is not always pretty you just look at anyone who goes through an awakening process they need massive amounts of support to go through that process just so they can come out the other side no more traumatized than when they went in So I think that's what is happening in the world and that is what I have dedicated my life to since the impact of Esoteric Agenda. But that was when I started noticing that what I was doing actually moved people, and I was a musician beforehand and as a musician trying to prove anything about my mindset or my views on the world it really was...I wanted to move people because when they feel moved

13:10 It's almost like this inspiration that doesn't cash itself out trying to copy the previous person who gave you inspiration. It's just, you want to live your life to the fullest more when you feel that kind of inspiration So that was what I noticed after...in 2008 when Esoteric Agenda came out Within a month I noticed that this was my calling Right on. I love it, great summary! And yeah maybe the deepest level of the conspiracy is that we have this crazy human potential, this creative spirit that we are co-creating magicians trained to feel powerless

13:49 and if that is true then a typical conspiracy documentary that does leave you kinda just in all of the totality of the big machine, it is kind of serving the big machines purpose because of course the almighty elite at the capstone cabal they want to seem like super villains that can never be toppled. And so for you to put towards the end, yeah maybe it's just more about making you feel powerless. That's important because it is kind of the medicine to The Big Sham Yeah, I mean if you look at it when you try and talk to somebody who really is not in the world of conspiracy and really like we can maybe clarify later exactly what i mean by conspiracy because there's so many ways to look at that word. I forget who was on your show but somebody was mentioning the word conspiracy and saying like there's a very normalized one which is Santa Claus and The Tooth Fairy

14:47 But really, colloquially it's become anything that authority does not like. But if you think about it when you talk to somebody who hasn't gotten into too much they're like well then how come I need you to spell it out for me? Why can't I just see it out there in the world and we can go into how we choose not to see things that don't fit our paradigm We can choose those things but another thing is I also have asked myself that question and lately since 2000, it feels like there's some desperate attempt to grope for power. But it's also you know potentially your right these films that really only leave you in fear showing you that this conspiratorial prison system that is building around us Is too big for us to do anything about And when they say we need to stand up We need to rise up That's way too vague For most people to be able to engage with

15:42 I think it does cause for people to, it doesn't cause for people to engage in ways that could potentially help. It causes for them too For the most part, if you look at the majority of people it just causes for them to become squeaky wheels on social media. Which doesn't not have its place but I think that's what causes for a lot of people to just tune out are the louder squeakier wheels are the ones who are... I don't know if you ever heard the term college kid syndrome? It basically means when somebody has a download like a period where they're downloaded with a tonne of information

16:19 And they get it, they get it to a certain extent but its not applied to their life so all they can do is really debate people or catch people and like no that's not what Thomas Jefferson did blah blah blah. I kinda feel like thats whats happened on social media and all the memes that are being created most of them I would say, I don't know what percentage I'd put on it but most of em They're kind of mean. If you look at it, the tone of it is just kind of mean and some are very sarcastic and they're funny and they can make you laugh but deep down inside I feel that there's an emptiness to a lot of... You know we could say look everyone's awakening like yeah but The alarm clock made us all grumpy if you take a look at all the memes out there in the way people speak to each other through social media

17:06 So, I mean, to just kind of reign this back in what I foresee as being a really empowering tool for people are more examples of how we can communicate not just the one another to spread ideas of what the world looks like but what can we engage in that were actually creating more beauty and creating something that empowers people. That's to me why I keep making art. I just made something about 40 minutes long with Charles Eisenstein And it was a kind of crappy interview that i did with him the only crappy part was the visual the video was very over exposed. But I covered and put soundtrack to it and i sent it to charles and he's not easy guy to please me says this is,

17:50 the best somebody has covered my material without making it cheesy or syrupy or new agey, you really hit the nail on the head. And to me that's what I think we could be doing more of. Think back to Alan Watts with like down-tempo electronica behind him It's a pleasure to listen too and i definitely feel especially in this web three world that looks like is really gaining traction The decentralization and the more owner and builder control over things like NFTs, and over things like pieces of artwork. I think that may actually gain a lot of traction. I would just really like to see it done in an inspiring tone rather than such a catty frustrated

18:39 angry or sarcastic tone. As much as I do like some good sarcasm, it really needs the artistry behind it otherwise it just sounds cheap and rude so... Well cheers to that i agree with you tone is important leaving people hopeful is important i struggle with it we all do it is what it is and if were talking about a documentary that's fourteen years old now and something as dense. as esoteric agenda, there's going to be hits and there's going to be misses. And in terms of the uncomfortable stuff that sounds like a hit to me, there is a clip of a woman speech about Codex Alimentarius this initiative that she says was run by the World Health Organization and the Food and Agriculture Organization on behalf of the UN. She says that in 1994 they had a press release where they declared nutrients toxic

19:34 They created the policy that every dairy cow must be treated with Monsanto's bovine growth hormone. Every animal must be treated with subclinical antibiotics and growth hormones, and that the vitamin and mineral guidelines alone she says when it was going to go into global implementation in 2009 would result in a minimum of three billion deaths one billion through starvation. The next two billion would die of preventable diseases and subpar nutrition And rewatching that from 2021, it's like well there is coordination between global food and medicine think tanks. Sure 3 billion dead sounds like a lot but how many people since 1994 have died of preventable disease? Obesity bad diet cancer I'm not sure if we're hitting those huge numbers but people are way less healthy than they were in the 90s and the fruits of those plans seem as ripe as ever

20:31 The part that maybe didn't age so well were the aspects focused on 2012 and this premise that we were primed for a level jump in human consciousness, that the light body was on the way. That this was a race with the global elite to suppress this evolution of man that was coming from this new energetic bombardment from our position in the cosmos Because as you say in the film, this isn't your idea. It's something that has been talked about by gurus and spiritual masters for years so it is really just an interpretation and trying to bring a bunch of threads together to make some kind of sense out of what was going to be the next few years. People are still saying that we should expect that but what are your thoughts now? Did The Elite win in managing to suppress it? Is it still coming on just longer timeline? What do you think?

21:21 Well, you know honestly a lot of what you said I do feel it is still very much so in effect. I appreciate you bringing up the 2012 aspect because i could say that was probably the first time and one of the last times ever that I have spoken about like a prophecy coming to fulfillment and a specific date where something may happen. So, I let Greg Braden say it you know? I found this footage of Greg Braden and...I let him say it when he was talking about the Schumann resonance admittedly I mean this guy- I'm forgetting

22:00 the exact credentials of Greg Braden. But as I looked into it, I was like well this guy's checking on the Schumann residence and if what he is saying is correct... It does look like there's this flatlining point around 2012. Turns out didn't happen and happy to admit that and you know just for everyone listening again when I set out to make that film in 2008 Esoteric Agenda, it was stream-of-consciousness everything I researched Just about made it into the film. It wasn't like I was researching for 12 years beforehand and then decided to make a film The research really started happening at the same time that I was making that decision. So, the 2012 thing really didn't pan out unless you could say well we just got the numbers wrong and it's really 2021 and then I could probably point you towards yeah it looks like something is happening right now but I haven't been getting into what were in those films a little bit more of

22:59 the new agey or pseudoscience-ey predictions about what's happening. But I also very much so appreciate that that expresses who I was at the very beginning of my journey, and you're right. The film hit the way it hit. The thing about Dr. Imre LeBeau, and she was wife of Colonel Stubblebine? The guy who is featured in the beginning of Men Who Stare At Goats he tried walking through that wall or running through that wall But anyway, that whole idea of Codex Alimentarius as soon as I put out that film. I was asked to come up to Canada to start doing a series of talks and so it did and as I was speaking to people in Canada they said well this is not called codex alimentarius up here i think it was bill c6 or c36 or i forget exactly which one it was but they were saying what seems like is happening up here in canada is there are these councils getting together saying

23:59 Parents and especially mothers are treating their children with vitamins like vitamin C and vitamin D. And God forbid we let these unaccredited scientists try and treat their children as with, you know whatever's in there cupboard like a witch right? So we can't have that. And so apparently it was this thing that was going to start in Canada as a test bed and maybe trickle down this way But when you're mentioning like the bovine injections, I remember putting all that stuff in there. But what's interesting? What it makes me think of is have you heard about the deer

24:38 That like almost a third if not more of the deer population in at least in the US that have been studied seem to have covered and they're thinking about vaccinating the deer. I heard about animals at the zoo even the san diego's there was this thing about oh we gotta vaccinate the gorillas and im not surprised that they're going into that degree cuz it just like it seems like a giant money-making scheme where we got to get this product into each and everything that we can. Trees will be next, I suppose? Well for sure! So there's two places i want to go with this and then maybe have a question for you like when you say trees there is this thing called International Barcode of Life Maybe initiative...I'm not sure what the last word but it's International Barcode of Life one of the main funders of it is Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation or maybe Microsoft

25:30 It's one of those two. But the International Barcode of Life is basically this idea of taking the sequence genome of every living thing on planet Earth and having it in this database, which is at the end of the day I think this also where science is going you don't need a conspiracy to see why tech companies would want that if you go to man what was it called BG It was this Chinese genomics company, it was the largest genomics company in the world. Bill Gates helped bring a headquarters of them to Seattle and they also have the dream of basically sequencing the genome of every living thing on planet Earth and having a barcode attached to it

26:20 And in that, I do believe there's a connection between that and this thing called the Sentient World Simulation. The Sentient World Simulation is something that is loosely operational right now nowhere near where you know let's say It hasn't hit its stride yet. The data proliferation hasn't hit its stride yet, and it's basically something that using all the points of data coming from all the different places where data can come through through the internet of everything into this sentient world simulation, which basically does what you saw in Westworld. Which is making a mirror of this world but with a lot of data points coming in real time and maybe let's throw out the minority report idea because the idea of the sentient world simulation is to be able to predict things in real time about not just individuals but groups like collective groups

27:19 Where are their interests? Are they going to rise up against a new bill where might they amass, where would they go if they were going to speak behind closed doors and this would be happening in real time and potentially becoming predictive using the algorithm to become predictive. And one of the main I guess philosophies that it goes off is that a human being is actually more mysterious than a collective of humans. So you would imagine that human is very complex, so an entire civilization must be even more complex but it actually turns out at least philosophically and theoretically that entire civilizations are much more understandable and its really just...it comes down to statistics. So for me will it be the trees next? And what would be the agenda I really do feel like

28:15 It doesn't matter what the excuse is. Can we harvest the genes and the genome so that we can sequence the genome of every living thing out there? And to do so, what excuse would we have to make? Could we just say that this is what we want to do potentially? They have said it out there but I wonder For me, I'm not sure what your thoughts are on the PCR tests. You know there's this Biden $173 million testing facility for COVID that is slated not to be done until late 2024 if that maybe 2025 meaning it sounds like we're planning on their being more or at least preparing for the possibility of there being more epidemics from this point whether its coronavirus or something new

29:08 This is going to be the way of the future whereas a year ago, The Sun reported Kooky conspiracy theorists, especially anti-vaxxers are saying that there's some agenda to implant people with microchips and then the very same company one year later comes out and says look at this amazing company called epsilon out of Sweden that are having these vax parties and Introducing this microchip that will stand as their Vax passport underneath their skin right it's this very same Company that reported on this so my Again, getting back to the PCR thing where Kerry Mullis said you know this isn't the way to test if somebody is actively sick with coronavirus. Really PCR is there to replicate genetics very rapidly and then you send it off to God knows where a lot of them I think go to Boston University at least here in the United States where it gets sequenced and it gets stored. I'm a filmmaker. I'm just gonna say it like that. I'm not an investigative journalist

30:09 like some of them out there. I'm more of a filmmaker and I really try to move people rather than prove, but to me, I kind of feel like yeah if the plan is oh it looks like half or almost half the deer population has COVID let's vaccinate them and if you're curious or maybe hesitant about what these vaccines are Wouldn't you just want to ask some questions put on the brakes a little bit more and ask like wait What is this thing? What are we really trying to do here and Is this injection, and again I have no problem with it. I really don't. Me personally not going to get it because I like going first resort rather than last resort first so I'll take care of my health through fundamental things like movement breathing detoxification sweat you know exercise being social getting enough sun the things that are foundational the things that news will never tell you about

31:11 the things that are for the most part non-monetizable. So to me, I don't know what's next. I do believe trees are next and I do know that there are many tech companies that aren't evil out there and they're actually trying to find ways to use technology to stimulate root growth for trees so we can get young saplings growing a lot quicker. I think it's a very muddled kind of world that we're in and trying to make sense out of what's happening especially if you're a filmmaker and you're gonna make it almost seem singular which I don't think it is anymore Again, I know I made a film where I was saying there's this thing called the Illuminati. But in my growth, I've come to understand that even if the Illuminati were still around in some capacity, that power is splintered. Yes. But the agenda almost seems to be an epiphenomena because the agenda doesn't seem to go away. So that's my thoughts and I guess I would turn it back to you and ask you

32:11 Have you been curious about the PCR test? Did you come to ask any questions inside your own head like, is it really just for testing or is there more to it. I have to ask you that because I know you do some hard work and you study this stuff Well yeah, you always gotta wonder with anything that's getting this much attention and full court press what's really going on because there is usually a game under the game. And it does seem like the idea that gives the elite the biggest teenage level control boner is really trying to invert everything thing that's natural and how will they achieve all this barcode of life stuff probably just through fear and making it seem risky to not do it. We need to know where your tomato has been from soil all the way to your mouth we got a track that because the world so dangerous, I think a lot of that is coming PCR tests

33:03 You know the most interesting part about robert f kennedy juniors latest book about anthony fauci as he goes over the aids crisis and he says this is exactly one of the techniques that she has recycled because. That was the first time where, people were testing asymptomatic individuals. The whole system said, we got to test everybody and it's a faulty test there's a lot of false positives so then you take people who are totally fine and healthy you test them and they hit positive and then they go in for treatment and they were doing this AZT stuff that was killing people but when you get someone with a positive test you put him in the hospital bed you pump him full of drugs and they die the system can easily say well

33:47 That was AIDS, HIV got them. And I think that a lot of that is also being recycled today according to Robert F Kennedy Jr and other people who know a lot more about these things than me but those are the people that i pay attention to but in terms of like a much deeper and darker and kind of esoteric-y aspect You know, what you're talking about now does kind of relate to something I was going to bring up about your recent follow-up Esoteric Agenda 2. And just to summarize that for people, you do cover the coronavirus and 5G not necessarily that there is an overlap but they are both topics in the documentary. You play clips from Dr Tom Cowan. You cover The Invisible Rainbow by Arthur Furstenberg things people would know around here

34:35 You show that the image of the virus was seated on the twenty pound note. That's very on brand for Easter agenda and you also mentioned the exodus of thirteen hundred CEOs just before covid hit clearly they knew something in advance and It seems like, according to the documentary and the major themes that this was another Black Swan event. They apparently plan one every 90 years 1779 Revolutionary War 1864 Civil War 1945 World War II And this is just another pre-planned worldwide reset in some super cycle

35:12 Makes sense to me, it's a very good and solid sequel. But even more recently what I was trying to get to is I saw the Omicron episode of Waking Infinity News and you talk about the film Omicron from 1963 which the plot of it is an Earth man's body being taken over by an alien so they could check out the place and see how they could take over the entire planet And you say I'll tell you, first contact has already happened. We don't understand what we're looking at and we're squirting it inside of our bodies." Now that is a provocative thing to say not exactly about testing but in terms of there being something deeper to the shot? That's about as deep as you could speculate can you elaborate on what you mean there how could the injection for this supposed global pandemic relate to

36:03 Aliens or some kind of other being colonizing us potentially even yeah well I appreciate that question and. I would say when it comes to i'm not making a straight up claim that Okay, I've seen enough video footage. There's oh my god just recently. I'm wondering if you've seen it? I'm trying to remember the name of who actually sent it out there as Ricardo something saying you know here I have video footage of The tech that's inside these vaccines to me okay. I'm not going to say that I fully believe it because I also believe that

36:47 Online, the best way to discredit legitimate conspiracy theories is not to attack them but it's to add to them a level of incredulity. A level of ridiculousness to it. So in that respect I do remember saying that and I do believe that we don't really understand what technology truly is We can categorize it we can name it we can say that you know. Right now we're looking at technology as being the smart gadgets that are hooked to the cloud, but really technology is also math in a much more crude sense. It's math it's a way of manipulating The resources that are around and within you in order to arrive quicker and more seamlessly without as much calorie expenditure At the result that you want so to me

37:48 Right now we're looking at a now. They're not UFOs anymore the UAP's and we're Hearing a lot about it, and to me it just feels kind of like oh right on time interesting Yeah It's like an onboarding process it feels like that And I've even put it in previous episodes where I'm like did you see the New Year's Eve event from? 2019 into 2020 it was a holographic projection around the Seattle needle in the sky Did you happen to see that Probably vaguely it sounds familiar, but it's not fresh in my mind. It would blow your mind you know so just for the audience YouTube 2020 New Year's Eve needle in the sky and it will show you what projection technology is up to now?

38:37 And for me, I just kind of said listen so now we're hearing about like contact and the Navy has no idea what this stuff is. I forget Richard Dolan was saying something about there being ASRO anomalous surveillance and resolution office and they are basically mandated to conduct investigations of UFOs and UAPS and to report it to Congress. And then also back in November the DoD established AOI-MSG, which is Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group. It's a mouthful but basically it's just showing you that intelligence agencies are getting more involved with what are these unidentified craft? What does it mean? And if you were to look at where projection technology is at today like that needle in the sky New Year's 2020 event

39:32 It almost goes back to Wernher von Braun, and I forget the lady's name that he told on his deathbed and said it many times before but there is going to be several different iterations of global events that will culminate in alien contact. And apparently he said to her, I wish I could remember her name but it was Werner Von Braun who said to her remember its all fake so she was saying this well before 2020 and the talk of the UAPs and any of those things. So to me, I'm just as I'm saying, I think first contact already happened. This is something that maybe Max Egan got in my ear a little bit too much but when I was living in Colorado he was out at my wedding and he was laying it all out for me like look at all these magic sigils and how close they look to like circuit boards And I really wonder you know John Dee and all these

40:31 Magicians from the past using these symbols and using some kind of emotional charge and focus of mental acuity while using these symbols and imbuing them with more power To me, I've come to wonder like is this technology that we have? Is this really something that we have created and i can see that as being very possible but also the more that i understand that like if there were some kind of force otherworldly or pan-dimensional whatever That could somehow communicate

41:10 through, okay people are talking about like DMT creatures and things along those lines. And we produce DMT in our very own brain and maybe not as much as we used to back in the day when you could get DMT and the MAOY that is in ayahuasca that helps it pass through the gut and gets your brain in higher amounts in things like oranges and citrus fruits So to me, I kind of feel that if there were something communicating with us beckoning us for us to build it almost like if you build it they will come. That's kinda what I mean by first contact To me truthfully I really do believe its already happened and we're building the infrastructure for it but it can't just arrive here

41:56 What has to happen is we need to retrofit, like if we are gonna go to Mars what do we have to do to Mars so we humans can live there? Well, we need to retrofit it. We need to have some kind of atmosphere that we can survive within and to me if you look at post 2020, you said it, Esoteric Agenda 2 just for the audience I raced to get that thing out just so I could talk about a couple of the topics that I wanted to talk about and since 2020 I don't believe that 5G causes coronavirus and i know that a lot of people were saying there's a direct correlation maybe the only correlation is since 2020 if you look outside how many more 5g towers do you see now than you did beforehand so it at least

42:42 Gave room all this quarantine and lockdown gave room for the infrastructure for the next telecommunications giant 5g to come online and by the way, The difference between 4G bandwidth like download time and stuff along those lines and 5g is The difference between a hose and the channel so the channel can fit entire vehicles inside it. So What is that like a hundred thousand hoses that could fit inside there? So it's really a quantum leap in the bandwidth. And this is important to get everybody into metaverse where they're more interacting, not with terra firma, not with the actual earth

43:25 but with this simulated reality. And if you look at Dr David E Martin, he's saying listen what people are injecting inside them I would not call it a vaccine i think its wrong to call it a vaccine because it doesn't meet the criteria of vaccines in the past and it is a simulation it's a simulated mRNA code that being injected some people say there's graphene in it yada yada I'm not gonna get into the details but to answer your question thats kinda where I was going with that I feel that nobody's asking enough questions, so I almost had to get a little bit more cheeky with it and say like listen yeah first contact no one believes that anything is going on but we're willing to just like oh wait there's this pandemic okay what's the first thing i should do? Okay well let's jump to last resort. That to me is what that feels like No...I'm sure you and many other people have noticed because I've heard people say before

44:21 Why does the news not mention at all how important social bonds and social connections are for health? Why is it not mentioned about the power of sunlight, the power of vitamin C, the power of proper hydration moving your body. Not sitting all the time. Why is that never mentioned? Not a word of it is mentioned right that to me if that's not conspiratorial you know It's at least that we are allowing for these archetypal giants, these gods. These huge transnational companies to basically have a stranglehold over not just what we can buy where we can buy it how we can move around where our data is sent but also what were allowed to think and talk about so to me that was my comment saying I do believe we've hit first contact and i think that technology

45:19 What we're doing to the planet really does seem like we're building a terrarium for something other than human. And I do believe that it is an offshoot of the human species, whatever you want to call it but It's an offshoot of the human species that will hook line and sinker fuse with technology as deeply as they are told to by The consensus, you know We police ourselves We don't need to be policed because we police ourselves if we get it into our brain that other people should follow Whatever the word of the day is so, you know like it's no longer two masks and whatever anymore It's been proven that and I'm just speaking out of the you know The other side of my mouth now. It's been proven that

46:05 If you sit down at a restaurant, you can take your mask off and you're fine. So now everybody should be crawling from place to place. You can't walk anymore." Right? And I'm curious how many people would actually do that. Right too many... And i'm not saying that we're all idiots what I am saying is that I think we find more comfort in the conventional view of what's going on in the world and most of us are not looking for truth. We're looking for comfort, and if you look at historically it feels more comfortable in the herd So what do you do when you're in the herd? You speak like the herd, you talk like the herd, you go where they heard wherever they go And its outliers that are consistently the ones that first hear about danger

46:55 I really do think that's what conspiracy theorists are worthy outliers were the ones that aren't afraid to look at the uncomfortable topics. Unfortunately we've lost our role in society we seem to come across as these lepers like you know we can say like, Look at the Jewish people and look at the African Americans, look at the Native Americans. Look at women by and large." And I say yes absolutely! Look at the inequality all around especially look at the conspiracy theorists because from the dawn of time they've never had a good name So to me that's kind of what i see is we are in a situation where most people...I just don't think they are going to wake up because it hasn't been

47:38 It hasn't been incentivized for them. And I do believe that all we have to do, the ones who see the writing on the wall is to bring it into fashion. And I actually see that that's what happening with conspiracy because now everything is a conspiracy, you know? Like just wait six months and it'll be proven right. Yeah business is good! Exactly and what I think we're normalizing what conspiracy is. I can almost see that in three to five years daily talk shows Those ones that most of us find repulsive daily talk shows are going to be just talking about conspiracy left and right. I think it's getting normalized, and I don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing And I know that I talked about 50 other things other than the question that you asked me there But I do believe we've made first contact if there is a first contact I believe it's already here, and I believe We just don't realize that

48:36 An aspect of it is sitting inside all of our homes and it is this thing that we're building the infrastructure for it The body that we are retrofitting this planet to To house is all this technology that's exploding like gangbusters and there's no trump that can stop it right. There's no like one savior, that's going to stop it because even though trump gets in there saying I worry about china what does he say you're like? I want 5g faster than China has 5G So he wants to race towards it just like the vaccines operation warp speed and nobody who even likes Trump remembers that this all started from Operation Warp Speed.

49:17 And then on top of that, if you look at Mar-a-Lago I don't know how big that compound really is but Trump made sure that no 5G towers are inside that perimeter. And it's the same thing as Steve Jobs inventing or co-inventing because it was his team that really did probably the hard work The smart tablets and the smart devices But what did Steve Jobs not give his own children? So I think we really need to start taking a look at there is a deeper agenda that maybe no one entity or person or secret society really has a stranglehold over, but maybe they just have their thumb to the pulse. A little bit more

49:59 Wow, a lot of great stuff there. But with that last point? Yeah I mean that to me is the value of conspiracy watch what they do not what they say if they're inventing smartphones and iPads and not letting their kids use them well That's pretty telling And so to me that is actually to bring it back to esoteric agenda That is why I got interested in magic Because it's like, if the elite are using these techniques against us that were taught are silly. Maybe they're not so silly and they're actually quite powerful and I should learn about them and how I could implement some things into my own life that might be advantageous but you are right there's so many different angles to look at so many different things i did actually. Look at the new year's eve needle in the sky i just seen an image of it but, it couldn't look anymore like a portal opening with demonic tentacles coming out of the top and bottom of it pretty wild it tells a story

50:54 It shows cellular mitosis, it shows a chrysalis and a butterfly emerging from it. I'm not going to break it down symbolically but I think it was also a story of what's happening maybe it was a hopeful one who knows? Makes sense make sense a lot like the london olympic games a lot of these ceremonies they do tell a big story and maybe they're using magic in seeding certain ideas to get us to co create them what about that two pack hologram we never seen anything like that since then, maybe you're right about that whole angle first were gonna use international terrorism then we're gonna use the

51:31 Fake alien invasion then i think he says it's gonna be asteroids and then i look at the bbc journalists that are obsessing about asteroids now like maybe there is flat in their arno asteroids just like you really never know but. But in terms of us potentially being terraformed, there's definitely something strange and unknown about the nexus of AI and spirits or alien beings. And Silicon Valley seems like it has some pretty deep secrets in that regard maybe we are dealing with some kind of terraforming, something similar to like giving Native American smallpox tainted blankets but on a cosmic scale. And it's in these shots they're just clearing the people out before they come in and take over there's a lot of strange possibilities but in one of your episodes of Waking Infinity News you say I love

52:26 I love when my beliefs are rattled by new incoming information and i so agree with that. It's very exciting, it has been a lot of the fuel for this show but I am getting a lot harder to impress feels like I've heard it all and for me the last rabbit hole that really got me thinking has been about the mud flood stuff and the idea of cataclysms in conjunction with a huge global reset. Everybody's looking forward in this global reset, like oh what would happen? Well maybe it happened before or maybe wasn't so long ago. It is something I know you've looked into. You did a great breakdown on the old architecture that we see before power tools were invented across Russia Europe and US San Francisco was a great example because we have this panoramic

53:11 picture of the city full of modern buildings, but no people and no photos of it during initial construction. That's weirder because people say oh well there is no people in the photos while long exposure times maybe they didn't show up but I think they would show up as trails But either way that fact that there are no photos of it during initial construction is weird And you can see plenty of photos of reconstruction after The big fire they had and the earthquake that happened years later It just seems like many places that you show examples of, that the mud flood people are examining. When you dig down when they excavate a lot of these early 1900s buildings, you find a couple of stories of detailed architecture as if the surface was a lot lower it's not just foundations like you'd expect digging up a basement no they chiseled in detailed

54:03 Formations that are supposed to be seen but they're underground and this is all over the place as if a lot of cities maybe they weren't built by the people who say they built some but they were just discovered and moved into like when the europeans came over maybe. part of that was already there. It gets really weird and some people start talking about plasma, and start talking about ether, and that maybe there is some mechanism in our environment that does just liquefy matter? And it's strange wild stuff but what are your thoughts on the whole mud flood hypothesis and hidden history and then maybe the whole timeline really needs to be reexamined

54:48 You know this is what I love about being a filmmaker because it's not really that. Hide behind and say well don't look at me i'm just the filmmaker trying to put ideas out there I really do as much research as I can but what I love about. having gotten into conspiracy is that it opens my mind to consider more. So, it's not really about the conspiracy itself because you and I have been in this game a while would you say your ideas of exactly what you believed back when you started have evolved at least if not changed? Absolutely! I'm pretty agnostic on pretty much everything Yeah so...to me thats kind of what I love about

55:31 Taking a look at these things and at least using let's say the archetype of conspiracy as the more powerful thing than the specific conspiracies that you're trying to prove because anyone who is into conspiracy, You've probably been that guy or girl who is at a party. Everyone wants to just relax and tell dick-and-fart jokes And your talking about building 7 right? Everyone who has been super passionate about something, has been that person who's trying to tell somebody who you can't seem to understand that they're just looking for the moment that this conversation ends so they can get away. And you're sitting there with buggy eyes talking about these things That's usually because it's like the college kid syndrome You get a download and you want to share it and you don't know how else to share it and there's not enough cultural examples of

56:21 How to share these things well, but to me as I've been on it in the long haul. I've started to realize that I love it as Some kind of vehicle that drives me through all these different theories? I really did look at flat earth and I'm not saying that I've closed the book on it. I think this planet is freaking weird I just personally think it's probably more of a holographic explanation that I will understand better than how the flat thing works and You know, I've talked to some really really intelligent people That just have not come out of the closet and they believe that listen. I don't believe it's just flat-flat I just don't know if I believe the round thing floating around in space And to me I still do I still do believe the round thing floating around in space but

57:14 Conspiracy, because it's been around for so long in me. It has allowed me to say like listen I'm not here to make people feel stupid for their beliefs because that's the first thing that any conspiracy theorist Anyone who gets into this field? That's the first problem that other people will bring to you is that they just don't want to listen So I've decided to listen and one thing that came out of The Flat Earth realm of researchers is this idea of mud flood and Tartary, Tarteria. So there's this CIA document that got unearthed declassified talking about how through Russia an ancient tartary is not really that ancient it's where you would call like Russia and Siberia into China And so this theory that came out this CIA document to stay on point basically said that there is this push to erase

58:10 Tartary from history. Now, whatever that really means you can look at it as just tartary but you can also see that its possible and is a push for some powers-that-be to erase history So it makes you wonder, well what don't I know? All those book burnings. All of the potential even technology that's held in the Holy of the Holies beneath the Vatican God knows we with access only to the internet and maybe we can buy a few books every now and then We're trying to piece together the history of this planet which is incredible so to me as i've started to look into what is The Mud Flood

58:49 Well, a lot of people have researched and said that it looks to be that there are these maps. The Piri Reis Maps that come from the end of 1500s beginning in 1600s that show well mapped out territory of the North Pole not as an ice cap but actually as strangely almost looking like Atlantis this circle with four rivers pouring straight towards the middle And then shortly thereafter, the next map shows that it looks like it's flooded. I'm going to go on record saying that I don't know how to verify the legitimacy of these maps but I do know if you look at the Piri Reis maps they are and there is an interesting spelling to them but its at least enough to ask a question like

59:38 Were there actually ports? Was this actually a landmass and now it's just covered?" And, a lot of things about the South Pole have been brought up as well. And monuments found or this huge indentation under the ice and as the ice is melting satellite imagery can see that there are structures in Antarctica So I look at all these and I'm just kind of curious What happened on this planet and how many times has it been reset by a cataclysm or something along those lines? So the flat earth idea is that there's this liquefaction and liquefaction means that when there's a certain vibratory frequency, And this could happen by an earthquake. When it hits landmass It starts to liquify and everything turns into mud so you will see that there are houses I think there's even footage out there showing liquefaction in houses

1:00:30 in real time sinking into the mud, sinking into the foundation that they were once firmly rooted on. So there's that idea of liquefaction and how the earth can start swallowing large edifices And from that, also potentially mud having come down from Canada into the US and from the North Pole into other parts of the Northern Territory of the globe. So the way that these people have decided to research that is well what would've been the remnants of the bygone era? You see all these immaculate buildings that do... I mean you go throughout Canada, you go through out all of North America

1:01:15 all throughout Europe and I think somewhat in the Southern Hemisphere, but not as much. And I could be actually wrong about this maybe not at all in the Southern Hemisphere but these ginormous buildings with these huge doorways and some people are like well it must have been for giants Well we don't know that We just know that this is the kind of architecture that we are not seeing today And if you understand about resonance, there's this guy Dr. Ibrahim Karim with biogeometry he shows that the shape of a room will basically dictate how vibratory frequencies exist inside that shape so there are some shapes that are better for sleep There are some shapes that are better for school and learning There are some shapes that are better for inspiration

1:02:04 So if you look at these ancient buildings, it really does look like they are not just there for visual appeal but they actually have some kind of vibratory frequency built into their structure. And if you had Courtland Dale or Lindahl I'm not sure how you pronounce it on your show before talking about Thomas Jefferson and some of the sites that he was setting up on these specific lines that point all the way to Bale Beck across the Atlantic Ocean So with this, there's at least something to look into and why today most of the architecture seems very square.

1:02:41 And if you look at biogeometry and the understanding of how the shape of a room will allow resonance to exist inside it, these squares don't do the same thing as these magnificent buildings that may have been all around the world before some catastrophe that happened maybe in the turn of 1500s into 1600s. Some say all the way up until the 1700 or 1800's So that's the mud flood thing and I just want to say like there is one thing that I noticed if you haven't seen the One World Religion Headquarters set to open next year. It's literally called The One World Religion Headquarters, it's really supposed to be a collaboration between Catholicism and Islam but there are these three large buildings that are cubes they're just cubes and its not like old architecture

1:03:30 So, the last thing I'm going to say on that is I've studied a lot of the indigenous Indie Americas and where did they come from. And you can look at the haplogroups in their DNA it's quite diverse there were Europeans down at the...I forget what bog it was called but it was down in Florida where European DNA found more than 6,000 years ago Graham Hancock reported on his last book America before that there are around San Diego Native American. it wasn't a real finding showing that there was some kind of group there, but if they can piece through these elephant or mammoth tusks that are about 150 000 years old to actually prove that the incisions on these bones were man-made and it wasn't just time breaking them apart then the whole out of Africa theory would be completely different. So bringing this up to modern times there are a lot

1:04:26 Early, like William Penn and early writers from the US that have written about how a lot of the Native Americans have Tartar stature. And they look like Tartar Jews They dress in a lot of their ceremonies and stuff like that very much so resemble the Tartars So that got me thinking okay, Tartar, Tartarian And then there's also Africans that were found here and around San Francisco present day, San Francisco which apparently was built in 30 years between I think it was like 1740 something and 1770 something.

1:05:05 Most people are saying like there's no way San Francisco could have been built in 30 years the way that it was built without The excavation tools that we have today. It still would have been ridiculous even with today's standard It still would have been ridiculous With the population of roughly at what did they say 300,000? I think three hundred thousand and not all of them were workers So there's a lot of questions that came up to me with the mud flood. That's like, yeah you know like I've never even thought to question why all these orphanages were around and orphan power was used like child labor came from a lot of these children working in factories and just give one last thought

1:05:49 Is that in San Francisco where there were Africans there and some people believe from the Mali Empire I have a couple books right here. That's really digging deep into not just their presence here, but their presence all around the globe African kings and we never hear about these things but that they had incredible sanitation, they had these open air markets with any kind of vegetable and fruit chocolate candies breath fresheners deodorants you name it in these markets. And that a lot of the slaves that are here or that were here in United States may not have actually come from Africa and I think he was Imhotep Jesus who is on Joe Rogan who brought this up

1:06:34 And he even mentioned that like they pulled it up and they said, oh well it looks like 13 million something like 12 maybe 12.7 million Africans in the slave trade but how many documented boats came from Africa or how many of them are documented to have come over on boats? It was something like three to four hundred thousand So there are a lot of questions that even if you go to our very own literature, it's not like you just need to believe some new person coming up with new theories. If you go back and with the critical eye... Really ask questions to how did these world fairs get set up so quickly? Some people are saying the world fares that they had back in Tesla's day There's no way you could set that up in a matter of a couple months It would have taken two to four years by some engineers beliefs So that's really what got me into mud flood if anyone wants to dig deeper into the Tartary thing and the alternative timeline of

1:07:32 Even biblical history you can go to Anatoly Fomenko's work Yeah, and he's really just kind of breaking down like the Temple of Solomon is not where you think it is Egypt Is not where present-day Egypt? It was closer to being like Russia or Eastern Europe And I don't believe all of it. I have to say that I don't always believe all of it but it's at least enough for me to be like okay, I'm gonna look deeper at it and I'm just not going to hook, line and sinker believe what's conventional. I don't mind if i look crazy... ...I don't mind if people say Ben you're drinking the Kool-Aid because I'm not ruining my life over it. I'm not sitting in front of the computer telling other people that they're sheeple and you need to believe me. I could care less! I'm staring into the abyss but I'm firmly rooted on terra firma What I do supports a family of five

1:08:22 i have a lot of joy in my life i just also happen to love questioning things that most people they'll just believe because it's the norm. You're here right there with you the bread and butter man just really excellent to talk to you i'm so glad we did this, Finally, you know as we're coming to the end of the road I wanted to make sure we touched on another one of your latest works. It's a film called Awake in the Darkness and it focuses on Aubrey Marcus who a lot of people probably know as a friend of Rogan and he is partner in Onnett He was the first one I ever really heard break down an Amazonian ayahuasca retreat And for that I'm thankful Now this film of yours follows him through a darkness ritual ceremony In the Black Forest of Germany

1:09:09 Where he does several days in pitch black darkness and it does crazy things to the mind. I know we're running over, the joy of a podcast is that there really is no over just like can't take up a person's whole day but before we go this is one year latest works gotta tell people about it yeah man well i really do appreciate that yes this film is still on putting a little bit work to it We're going to the 2022 film festival market and I really appreciated it because yeah, it was about Aubrey Marcus going into a week long darkness retreat. And what's very interesting about it was?

1:09:50 I don't even think he put together the significance until i went and interviewed him of the timing because it was. The very end of january twenty twenty that you came out of the darkness and that was when he realized, that the world changes like you went into the darkness in one world then he came out a week later and the world start going to lock downs and i think it was like Maybe a week later that he stepped down from on it I'm not sure but um he was another one of those CEOs that stepped down and i mean, he's hip He's with it. I've had some of these conversations with him He just doesn't go balls to the wall with A lot of some of the things he believes he also finds it very fascinating To just explore consciousness and that's why I love that he came to me for this film But we had 30 minutes to cover

1:10:39 in darkness because he filmed himself before and he did audio recording during the darkness retreat, and then he filmed himself afterwards. And I just did a couple more interviews and put it all together but i had 30 minutes of darkness He recorded four hours. I whittled that down to thirty minutes The very curious thing was how are you going cover as a filmmaker? How are you gonna cover thirty minutes of darkness? We did so with We left it dark for a little bit. We really covered it with sound design because... ...a lot of people don't realize that sound design, I think is more important than the quality of the visuals and many filmmakers agree And then with that, I worked for three months on a part that has just one minute and 44 seconds If you remember that while watching it, you'll know when the moment comes about

1:11:32 What I liked about it was, it wasn't a film to try and prove to you a way of looking at the world. It was just a journey into the darkness with Aubrey Marcus but he speaks very philosophically He speaks about why am I so sad? Why is this stuff going on with me? And... You know, I don't want to give away the whole story but he's really wrestling with something that happened to his father years before Not even too long before But when he did his first ayahuasca ceremony His father started losing his mind as he was on this religious crusade to find God. And so, he goes into the darkness in a sense that kind of finds like what is this thing that my dad had and I'm on this kind of crusade not a crusade but a quest to find the deeper meanings of me and life and religion? He's really battling a lot of very interesting things inside himself and it's really beautiful to watch him go through that journey

1:12:30 I mean the film, i really appreciated making it and i know we're going to do more work but if you go to aubreymarcus.com You'll find it right on the homepage and you can watch it It's free, you got to give your email address over. But other than that it's free and you get to watch this film and see my latest work I'm really proud of it. I really loved working on the soundtrack and all the sound design The visuals... And I think its go a great message for people. And also like if your not one who is If the audience is listening still but Your not one for all these conversations we've had so far today

1:13:08 It doesn't get into that stuff. It really just kind of shows a human on a journey of self-discovery, which is really like at the core of all my work That's really all I want people to get more interested in is themselves Right on. Yeah, I enjoyed it quite a bit. It brings to mind just the lack of rites of passage and ceremony in our current culture that void is definitely affecting people's psyche every indigenous culture has something of a right of passage some kind of ceremonies and The absence of that i think is really bad for us and it's probably why we've responded so poorly to the injection of fear and everything that's gone on over the last two years in all that but.

1:13:52 Dude, couldn't have had a better time. We both have been in this world swimming in these waters for quite awhile so after a decade we definitely I'm glad we came together to talk about some pretty high level stuff and some pretty out there stuff and just a real cornucopia of conspiratorial topics just a lot of fun but you are the man! I am really going to remember this one best of luck out there I guess before we really go, tell them about any other irons in the Ben Joseph Stewart fire. What else you got happening that people should know about? Any links to leave him with? You do have a membership thing going on too! Yeah and the membership thing... Everything is over at benjosephstewart.com And that's S-T-E-W-A-R-T So benjosephstewart.com You can find out anything i'm up to For most part throughout my film career I put all of my films online for free

1:14:48 And I still do like the majority of my waking infinity news is there in front of the paywall on YouTube. But, I have a membership section where people can subscribe Mainly because for one in this present day world I've come to realize that if you give everything away for free, but don't have a way for people to give back Then most of the time they won't but if you offer some of your stuff For people to be able to support then some people are more than willing To support like you'll get a lot of people just going the cheapest way they can But you will also get quite a few people that will pay

1:15:26 ten times that amount just to support because they can. And I think there's a lot of new models that are coming out like that, Charles Eisenstein and I he is making a page where the film that I did with him called In The Music Played The Band That's going to be gift based meaning you can take it for free if you want but if you want to donate some go ahead and Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead did that maybe a decade ago for one of their albums and they realized that they usually sell albums for $10 And it averaged $7 an album. So, it wasn't that much of a correction But benjosephstuart.com is where to go to find me and what I'm working on now are better edited periodical basically mini-docs so they'll come out periodically They're more like thought pieces They'll probably come across more like my old films like Chi Matica and Esoteric Agenda but maybe only 15 20 minutes long and they'll come out periodical

1:16:24 On Ben Joseph Stewart dot com mainly because I feel what's going to be the biggest solution in the days to come is an art revolution and if you hear people saying. The revolution will not be televised i think that's not so true with there's collective art being worked on and i do think that web three. Is part of that because it is this attempt to kind of decentralize and get those who let's say if people were to have created Harry Potter on an NFT or something like that, then whatever it does from that point forward is owned by the people who created it.

1:17:02 And the same thing goes for like you know if it's Facebook now it's Zion. If you look at Zion and I think Odyssey use this model those who own it are those who give their time and attention to it so, I'm excited to see where this goes but I really want to see in art revolution More than going to benjosephstuart.com and supporting me, I want you to discover what it is You came here To gift the world with because we all came here with a gift And I think most of us We haven't spent the time to unravel or discover what that is Let alone know how we can serve the world with it and the worst thing you can do with your gift Is hold on to it and not share it

1:17:40 So I want to see an art revolution. And that's why all I'm doing from this point forward is making music, making film and collaborating with people who want to make bigger and bigger worldwide projects. Yes solid man! I got so excited almost forgot that we had that promotional stuff to throw in there but those were great words to leave people with it's been a wild ride it's only going to get wilder It seems but...I really enjoyed this keep up the great work you're one of the best Thank you. Thank you very much." And boom goes the dynamite! Yes, people! Ben Joseph Stewart bringing the heat I've been at this podcasting thing for a long time now and there aren't too many names left on the list of people who made the most impactful material for me when i was younger We've talked to Michael Tesarion and Jordan Maxwell and David Icke and even Jacque Fresco who I really liked at the time

1:18:39 But Esoteric Agenda really was one of those documentaries I considered to be top tier, and if you went back to the boring kiosk in a shitty run-down Missouri mall and said to me hey man it's gonna be all right. You're going to end up living in San Diego and carving out such a niche for yourself in this conspiracy community that the maker of this documentary is going to know who you are when you have them on your show Pfft, that reality would just seem so unobtainable. It really has been quite a ride So just keep plugging away at those dreams guys climb the ladder one rung at a time run the marathon One step at a time and put the pants on one leg at a time or something like that But not only is this a sort of full circle thread for me? it was also just a really good interview

1:19:30 Ben has certainly stayed up to date in conspiracy culture and he's great at summarizing and articulating many different sub-genres of conspiracy, let's say. Mud flood, hidden history, antiquitech... But even just talking about the Codex Elementarius speech in Esoteric Agenda sure maybe it overestimated the deaths at this point But it is very much a spotlight on the establishment of the coordinated infrastructure that has allowed for something like the events of our day to happen. The interlocking cabals that rule food and medicine should be primary in anybody's study...of The Big Machine So I liked it alot! We talked about some practical stuff, talked about some really out there stuff A grab bag of conspiracy goodness if you ask me

1:20:20 And if you only heard the first hour, in the second hour we talked about what new information has been the most mind-blowing for Ben lately. Esoteric biology probably my favorite segment in a long time Light frequency water and DNA magic PCR DNA harvesting ancient stargates The past and future of the internet The Elite Secret Religion and the coming One World religion as well as the psychedelic revival in MKUltra. Sign up for PLUS if you're compelled to come over to the deep end of the pool at thehiresidechats.com, and thank you to those who already do! Ben is a thoughtful guy with compelling things to say about pretty much everything and anything that I could throw at him so it was just a good time overall

1:21:08 Such a good time that he actually invited me to be on his podcast next week, so add it to the unexpected life moment stack. Tune in if you might be interested to hear me on the other side of the mic! But in higher-side news I added new pre and post show plus pitches for The Free Show because I wanted to make sure we hyped up the seven day trial that is now standard And it's kind of just important because new people find the show all the time and I just like them to know how we're structured up front. And, the post-show pitch is great because i don't really like saying the same thing all the time in the wrap ups sometimes I only say half of what I should and so if I can address some of the common questions and concerns I get about PLUS and just record a pitch that I think hits all the important points in a tight little package

1:22:00 then I can say a lot less about it in the wrap-ups in general. It's easier for me, it's less filler for Plus members and I get the right stuff said every time and if people don't want to hear those things they can skip ahead or join Plus and it all goes away! I've just never used a post show ad because it comes after the music which is a little weird but there are a lot of podcasts that I listen to where the music plays and if there's something else there I hear that as well And I tend to let my experience be my guide. As for the next few events on the calendar at highersidemeetups.com, again this weekend January 14th we have a second meetup for our group in New York City On the 15th we have West Yorkshire UK as well as Fort Worth Texas and then for the rest of the month of January i'm only seeing three more on there. I'd love to see 10 more on there but what

1:22:58 Denver on the 19th, Nashville on the 28th and also a tinfoil hat THC swarm crossover that was put on here in Long Beach on the 28th as well. So I did tell a lot of other podcasters hey go ahead and use the calendar! I think folks just want to find cool like-minded people around them so i'm sure Tinfoil Hat or Gramerica has a lot of mutual listeners Might as well tell your audience if you want to and they can make events. I'm totally fine with that So i did put that out there to people and i'm gonna let this one go this time But in the future, I am going to remove anything that comes with a cost We are not plugging events here we're hosting free and open meetups so This is a tinfoil hat event And...I love Sam! I wish him well

1:23:53 But these sorts of things don't belong on the Meetup calendar, because they're not free. And they're not about finding the others, they are about coming to watch a performance. Let this one be what it is! Go see Sam at the event in Long Beach on the 28th. They are doing a Shark Tank type thing where you pitch your conspiracies to the panel I think it will be interesting and might even be there myself But in the future, these are supposed to be things made by listeners for listeners and no cost events. So that is important to me to keep that focus on in the future. These kind of things won't be there. With that said big thanks again to Ben I think even got an extra 15 minutes out of them for this one which was great because we needed to make up for some missing time and some others but he has done some great work and it was really fun to talk to him first hand

1:24:45 Thank you guys for listening. As always, take care out there! I've done my part... Your move Esoteric Agenda Architects Capstone Cabals and Puppet Masters of the Power Pyramid Your fucking move This is important hear what i said I'm trying to tell you It's not paranoia Not in my head it's just the hard truth Knocked on your door but still can't To ask you Cuz I know your head is still in the sand Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed But you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where are- Can't you just admit We're screwed! I'm gonna tell you anyway It's a scarecrow

1:26:01 okay can't you see? You sit and wish but we don't have a choice. It seems we're stuck here, but you can find nose to drown out the noise now use that altar end up your magic game and listen to THC you know go with the edities if you ever see

1:26:38 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where our c- Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you anyways It's okay

1:27:39 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we are kung fu? Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a skelly-skelling skirt cake

1:28:33 And that is another show complete. Remember, as much as you enjoyed this which is just the free first hour I hope you'll become a Plus member to hear the full two-hour interviews You also can engage with other plus members in the comments and the forums and you'll find your answer to one of the most common questions I get Which is where can I find those cover songs that you use at the end of the show? Well they are free downloads for plus members too And without Plus Members, I can't hire the occasional musician to bring these odd cover song ideas to fruition. Plus members are how I'm able to do what I do without ads and without the big machine being on my back! We can fit so much more into a two-hour interview and I'd do my best to make it worth your time and money." The conversation only gets deeper, weirder, and more controversial in that private hour. How could it not be the way things are going?

1:29:30 But the best way to sign up is at TheHigherSideChats.com, where new first-time subscribers always get a free 7 day trial because I'm just that confident! There's no PayPal on the website but if you need to use PayPal then sign up through Patreon and you get all of the same episodes Our website is a credit or debit system, but you can also scope out the other options like a few various cryptos. Cash or check mailed to the P.O box and I'll even barter with most people if you have your own business and produce something nice that my wife or kid or taste buds might like But the architects of consensus reality have made it clear that these themes and topics aren't really welcome on the main stage. And so this is how we secure a little counterculture corner for ourselves, and I hope you'll join PLUS because that's the only way it works!

1:30:19 Besides, you can cancel any time right on your profile page. The most common concern I hear is people just being unsure if THC Plus will work with their podcast app and the answer is probably yes! But if not we have several high-level app recommendations for whatever phone you use and the website is made for mobile too We're trained to tip a waitress for bringing us a sandwich, but that tip doesn't give you access to a second sandwich. Really I'm not asking for any more than that and think I offer better service. Come get your second serving of tasty conspiracy goodness in exchange for that small token of your appreciation. Beyond that let it also be known we have grown and survived as long as we have by word-of-mouth

1:31:02 I don't care so much about social media likes or follows, but tell the right people about THC. And not just listeners but the high level figures who are better suited to sit down with me than most other hosts. And if you can help me with any of these things, I can work to bring you better shows which is just a win-win for both us! Informative, entertaining and action packed It also never hurts to thank a guest you liked if you have the time either. We want them to know people are listening so they're willing to come back down the road too! Thank YOU for spending some time with me and cheers to a better tomorrow!