Anthony Peake | Consciousness, Altered States, & The Pleroma

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00:58 Well folks, a major unifying component of these mysterious encounters with aspects of the other side is us because all these experiences come through the lens of human perception. And of course the mainstream often uses that fact as an excuse to dismiss these strange occurrences entirely which is wrong but it's still a fact that shouldn't be ignored What role does human consciousness play in this situation or any situation for that matter? If the Gnostics were right and the material world is a persistent illusion in itself, categorizing things by their realness seems like categorizing water by levels of wetness anyway. So today, once again we're getting deep with Anthony Peake. One of the kings of consciousness research He's written several great books along the way But most recently his decade-plus study of reality The Mind in Altered States has come together and is latest masterpiece Opening The Doors Of Perception The Key To Cosmic Awareness Back in the THC saddle after four long years and still blowing more minds than the US military Anthony Peak welcome back to the higher side

01:55 Wow, Gregor. Can I actually live up to that start? Wonderful analogy with water! Really really brilliant. Yeah, water and wetness – you're there man, you're really there. Thank you thank you. Man but it's been a long time and i've definitely been paying attention to your work along the way. I love this new book and uh... The title is of course a play on Aldous Huxley's famous Doors Of Perception written back in the fifties And to kick this off, you write that you called the book Opening the Doors of Perception because you believed the time has come to re-evaluate the model of perception suggested by Huxley and view it through the lens of our modern science. That is well said! So where do we see the greatest need for updating? What have been our biggest insights since Huxley's time?

02:37 Well, I think with the developments in quantum physics the development in neurochemistry and the development of our own understanding of the true nature of the universe. And also the expansion of our understanding a virtual reality I think all lead us to the idea that we are more aware of the idea of external reality being some form simulation than ever done before. Now when Aldous Huxley wrote his book back in 1954, it was an excellent book but he was writing from experience and he couldn't necessarily link that to known science whereas now we are in this very very strong position

03:21 of understanding exactly the relationship between consciousness and reality, how that relationship can be widened by certain substances or certain neurological or neurochemical states. Yeah, I mean obviously we've learned quite a bit since then. And I mentioned Gnostics in the intro and you talk about the pleroma quite often in the book for people who are unfamiliar tell us about how the gnostics viewed reality and this pleroma they described and how that fits into your view Okay, the Gnostics were a group of individuals, a religious group around about the first and second century AD. They've always been around and they were probably around before that period but effectively they were a group of theologians and individuals who thought very deeply about the true nature of reality

04:17 And one of the major issues they had with the belief systems at the time was something called Theodicy. And Theodicy is why it is that a good God, Yehwah or whatever we want to call him, is willing to accept the existence of evil? The logic being that how could a truly eminently good god create childhood cancer or how could he allow evil to exist and indeed why would he allowed the existence of lucifer whatever we want talk about now, add that time obviously most people had a religious worldview and a mystic world view of reality worked and the nostics concluded quite rationally. I'm sure this is a position that most thinking individuals come to at some stage in their life

05:10 is that maybe the God that is the God of the Old Testament or even the God of the New Testament isn't necessarily the real god, but there's an existence behind this existence and this existence has been created by what is known as the demi-urge. The half creator Yaldabaoth And the idea we are trapped within a simulated world that keeps us away from the reality behind the reality Now the Gnostics call that reality, the reality behind reality or the God above god as my friend Miguel Conner calls it. That is the pleroma and the pleroma is from Latin I think its from Latin may even be from Greek and it literally means fullness and it's the idea that there is something behind

06:02 this reality that we can under certain circumstances perceive or part of us can perceive. The Gnostics argued that what has happened is, we have all within us a shard of the pleroma and little kind of nugget within ourselves that is lost from the pleroma that is beyond our understanding and this yearns and knows there's something greater and Gnosticism, of course the word gnosis means knowledge is that by gnosis we can enlighten literally and metaphorically that shard of the pleroma that's inside ourselves to realize that we are far greater than this illusory reality we live within. Of course the issue is that the Gnostics also argue there are elements of the demiurge

06:59 Yaldabaoth, that are agents within the world which they termed the Archons. Now anybody who knows the movie The Matrix will know this is the central concept of The Matrix and in fact The Matrix and the Wachowski brothers readily acknowledged that they were talking about Gnosticism here And of course the idea that Neo becomes an enlightened being he becomes aware when when he takes the red pill He becomes aware of the fact there is a reality behind the reality and the agent smith and his associates of that actually denies, that overall existence now the issue here is always good. Spirituality and mysticism as opposed to religion which is dogma mysticism and spirituality teach greater truth using analogies because effectively if you are

07:56 an entity or something, you're trying to explain very deep esoteric ideas to the masses. The only way you can do that is by analogy so effectively I would argue that the whole Gnostic worldview is an analogy of a knowledge that has been known for centuries and has been carried through the Gnostic traditions of Christian Gnosticism, the Kabbalah of Judaism and Sufism of their Muslims And on top of this, this idea that reality is an illusion is also found in all Eastern religions. You know the concept of Maya and Hinduism? It's all the idea that this is some form of brain generated illusion. And of course we now know from our knowledge

08:42 how the brain works and our knowledge of neurology and our knowledge of what is now called consciousness studies, the idea of how the brain recreates within itself. An image of what external reality is we might be able to touch upon that later but effectively gnosticism has great truths within it I need to be abused and has been walked over the centuries but the message is still correct that we are trapped in meet machines. We are existing within me machines that we presume ourselves very quick thinking of grammar here make sure you realize that the illusion, is not a strong as well let's believe because u turn around new say my leg my arm my face

09:29 My brain my ears you never ever say me in reference to these things these are things that i'm outside of yourself, did you perceive now there's a guy called harding many years ago who wrote an amazing book on i think it was title something like realizing he didn't have ahead and he was sitting on the mountain top. Douglas holding any setting on a mountain top and he looked at his body for a second had one of those amazing moments of clarity What he realized that he was a headless body as far as his own perceptions were concerned there was this body underneath him but he couldn't see is on head and from then you realize that is head is tuning to a much wider reality.

10:16 Then the reality that we normally see your brain your consciousness interfaces with two realities in two phases with the external reality they phenomenal world it's presented to your consciousness but then there is the other reality be in a reality. the reality of emotions in a reality dreams about the body experiences and this is what i try to approach my writing on this is that the major steam of my latest book opening doors perception. Well said man and yeah that nasty world view is probably my favorite perspective of the ones that are offered up end,

10:51 On the subject of those consciousness studies you mentioned, there are a lot of people in this alternative realm that talk about the examination of out-of-body or near death experiences. They study psychedelics and entheogen use but I don't see a lot of people trying to tie in conditions like migraines epilepsy and schizophrenia just to name a couple That's a big part your latest book probably one my favorite parts How is this component helped in you understanding the big picture? Totally i mean one of the issues that i had for a long time is silo thinking and the way in which out there.

11:28 There are experts and it's the by the very nature of academic study. What you do is you study in smaller and smaller areas of knowledge so therefore, you become a world leading expert on I don't know the knee function of the lesser spotted antelope or something. And effectively you become the worlds expert in that but what you don't do because you specialize to such extent you don't have cross fertilization ideas from other World views and other areas of research now you can expand that out to say that you could end up studying psychology, but effectively studying psychology also need an understanding of neurology chemistry and what is happening is that there are very few people out there.

12:17 that are joining the dots, not because they're not deliberately doing so. You know I'm no one of these people who believe that science is somehow in denial of altered states of consciousness it's just that scientists run down a certain path and they effectively from...I know from when i was at university in the 1970s there was an overlay cause im social scientist and sociologist And there were areas of what's called positivism and the idea that the only thing that really exists is physical reality. And the only thing that is, is the physical material world whereas there are other people who argue the material world is just one aspect of a far broader worldview but as long as you are denied academic tenure

13:09 by pursuing areas of ideas that consciousness itself should be studied. In greater detail the very fact that you start to be interested in the further reaches of consciousness tends to cause you problems and academia i know this because there are no associates and friends of mine, who are academics and working at academia and whenever i meet them for a drink or whatever we talk on skype everything else they will always turn around me inside but extraordinary experiences they had their parents the body experiences they have near death experience is they have. Received aliens they've seen ufo's

13:45 But all these individuals will always say, I can never ever discuss these things with my fellow academics. Purely and simply because if i do so that will compromise my credibility and the issue is that they're all thinking this that all of them are stuck in this materialist paradigm whereby you have to deny the inner life there is a form of psychology at the moment known as eliminative materialism Unlimited materialism is the mainstay of most psychology and most neurology. And effectively that is, we do not have an inner life

14:27 We do not, we are fooling ourselves into thinking we are self-referential conscious beings. Now believe it or not that is the status quo and that is the approach most research scientists in neurology and social sciences and science of consciousness studies take. We're fooling ourselves into thinking we are even conscious now just a moment's reflection shows how incredibly stupid that is because if i am being fooled into thinking i'm conscious by my brain i have to be aware. Be fooled in other words i can't fool a rock into thinking it's an elephant because the rock is not conscious you know what you have to be conscious to be fooled

15:16 And they don't seem to join those dots. The Daniel Dennett's of this world, the Patricia Churchans of this world are in complete and utter denial and every single sentient consciousness on this planet – the three billion sentient consciousnesses on this planet know that that is utter crap but we still believe in it because its scientism. It is not science, it is a referred belief that we all have to nod like nodding dogs to agree that this is correct We need to break out of that. And what I'm trying to do is in my work, I discuss everything from neurochemistry to neurology to Gnosticism and quantum physics to the latest research in terms of consciousness studies and I really genuinely do do my research if you go on the web you'll find that there are people who will criticize me this is a cycle rational wiki I think it's

16:10 and if you do a search on the second or third one will come up you read that article me it's not home in attack. There is no where in that article it criticizes even vaguely my understanding of quantum physics my understanding of neurology my understanding of neuro chemistry, the reason it doesn't use the my understanding of these subjects are pretty damn watertight So in other words, if you read my books you will find that every single reference I make and i mean every single reference will have a reference number. And that will refer you at the back to an academic article or an article written in a scientific magazine... ...and it will give you the opportunity to read back to the peer-reviewed analysis that's being done! I believe I'm probably the only writer in this field that is doing that

17:03 And I scare them shitless because I scare the hell out of them. because it's so easy to dismiss these weirdos who say that they're channeling information from the planet Tharg, you know that they're ascended beings, that they are starseeds and all of that nonsense. They are very easy to attack and they love attacking them because they're easy to attack I'm not! And because i'm not...I have been invited on two or three occasions to address groups of skeptics on every occasion they back down they back down they run away and the runway because they don't have any answers to things i'm saying because i am a skeptic i'm a skeptic by background i used to be a reader of skeptical inquirer i read all the skeptical books i know all the arguments the skeptics use so i can throw their arguments back at them.

17:58 Yeah, man. Your work is definitely well sourced and pretty ironclad the gatekeepers of monoculture they're going to do what they're going to do but it seems like you're definitely passing them up and something I've been interested in lately is the similarities between modern encounters with The Greys and old stories a fairy folk and little people and how was really psyched to see that your book brings this up when you talk about this Charles Bonney syndrome which was completely new to me Maybe you can talk to us about that a bit and unfortunately your mother's experiences with it. No, absolutely I have been heavily into ufology since 1966 which is million years ago way before a lot of the listeners out there were even born and i have been studying ufology for the whole period and It has always intrigued me

18:52 as to the cultural aspects. And when I was at university, I studied sociology. I studied the sociology of religion and the sociology belief so I am qualified in raised commas to discuss these things because you know I've written extensively in academic stuff about this kind of material and it is interesting to note that the idea of other entities and little creatures and little things is in every culture right across the world and it has been recorded since recorded writing. You know so effectively goes back a long way now i came across a book called project trojan horse by john keel that was written i think about nineteen sixty nine nineteen seventy

19:40 and then followed on by the fantastic research of a French ufologist called Jacques Vallée who wrote a book called Passport to Magonia. Now if you read particularly Vallée, and also a guy called Brindisi Leportranche who's very little known Lord Clancarty who was Anglo-Irish lord who wrote a book called The Sky People way back in about 1963 which is amazing but effectively What these guys are arguing and what valley is arguing is that the ufo phenomenon is closely tied. To our own psyche we're dealing here with archetypes we are dealing here with young in archetype sin fact call gustav jung wrote a book about you fos, end up at the architecture of your phone and ufo entities

20:30 Now, I'd followed this through for many years and funnily enough breaking news you may be interested to know that the new book Opening The Doors Of Perception my publisher Watkins is so stunned by this book they've already paid me in advance to write the sequel. You know not to be in my writing career it's unknown you know the book has only just come out and before the book came out they had already said we want you to write a sequel on this book And the sequel will be Through The Doors of Perception So it will be dealing with these issues But going back to the idea that they are archetypes in some way, the story gets very strange because it involves my own mother. And around about four or five years ago... Now the background stories is that my mother lost her eye with malignant melanoma in mid-fifties and she started developing glaucoma in her good eye so effectively she's partially sighted

21:26 And she's a widow lives on her own or do you still have around in house and place called pool village which is on the world peninsula near liverpool, add she was traveling home to the village walking onto the village with my aunt my father mother my father so i'm far sister. And my aunt stopped to tie her shoelace and this incident, my mother phoned me up this evening because she was so disturbed by it. As my aunty stopped, my mother looked over my aunty's head and saw in the sky what she described as being a cloud of smoke

22:05 circling around itself and i just noticed smoke a little smoke which is your high side chats thing as i said smoked nice little bit of synchronicity there I think yeah, and as the she said it started to swirl round itself and turn into a disc shape. And then suddenly shot off at high speed towards north wales so effectively to her left hand side if she was looking at him She phones me up and she says, I'm not sure what i saw there. Now my mother doesn't know anything about UFOs she has never been shown any interest in my UFO books or anything so I genuinely know this is just not something in her world view at all. She describes this and I said mum you probably it was just your eyesight you probably saw something peculiar. I leave it that and about two three days later she phoned me up one morning and she's in absolute hysterics. She lives on our own

22:59 My aunt's gone back and she woke up in the middle of the street scribe that she wrote copy the middle of the night and she swore blind that she had closed her bedroom door, she woke up and she was seen a state of sleep paralysis you know remind trusion whereby. You know your asleep but your awake at same time because your body when u are in these states paralyze yourself to actually stop yourself damaging itself it's a phenomenal known as rain intrusion when the dreams overlay the reality that you're perceiving outside and she said she was looking towards the door of the bedroom on the door was partially open, can she thought to sub wise the door open and i should do that she noticed. Two or three spindly fingers come round the door and then this tiny head. Okay it's head around and she described ahead as being the creature must have been about 3 foot tall

23:57 She said it had a completely bald head, it had huge black eyes. It had two holes for nostrils and a slit for her mouth. It looked at her and realized she was looking at IT! And dodged its head back. My mother then spent the rest of the night terrified before she eventually I guess went into full REM sleep She found the next day and i'm listening to this time going my god yeah this is intriguing because you know the forward. For my new book is written by what would be streamer and she know with the street was the guy that put the graze on the map with his book communion great, because if you look at the cover of the book communion it's a classic gray

24:41 Now, my mother the only science fiction film I think my mother has ever watched was E.T.. Now you look at E.T., E.T is not a grey in any shape or form that's the only linkage i think she could make but she wouldn't have made... She was in her mid 80s then there's no way she would make any kind of association with the object she had seen three or four days before with this other being that was in her room Anyway i call round to see her regularly but it was a few weeks later after i come down with this thing and we're talking and she goes.

25:19 I wish the children would stop singing they really bother me and i said which children are these moments you sent over children follow me around when i'm shopping wow what happens in she said little creatures like little children, i miss seeing this really kind of weird way to go these really high pitched sound voices. And i said mom where do you see them she said i see them when i'm shopping and i see them in the house there in the house I said what these creatures are in your living room she's not threatening the very friendly and they chatted to each other, i'm going to get a lot and then she said i don't like the man i see in the kitchen and i said. What mans this moment she said oh that's all elderly man i see in the kitchen he never speaks but he knows me any smiles so nice man i'm thinking does she let people into the house to local children to the house clearly she wasn't

26:17 Bell started to ring in my head and because I've been involved in this kind of work for many, many years. I started thinking there is something here happening and I thought it's Charles Bonnet syndrome Now Charles Bonnet syndrome was discovered, curiously enough by a guy called Charles Bonnet. It's fascinating isn't it how these people have discover things that subsequently you discover are the same name as them? You know it's like Einstein's theory of relativity How did Einstein discover Einstein's theory of relativity I'm being facetious but Charles Bonnett was a French doctor

26:55 I think around about the 1780s, 1790s. I can stand corrected on that because i'm not sure but it was about that period and his father or his grandfather started to claim that he was hallucinating little creatures and little people and bonnet started to look into this and discovered that it was part and parcel of growing older and the older somebody got and if they were likely if they were partially sighted all losing their site they started to see little creatures everywhere now i then thought well this sounds like what's happening to my mother so i started to read up on the subject and to my little surprise because I was expecting this, i discovered that Charles bonnet syndrome is a pro-drug it is a precursor for alzheimer.

27:48 And my mother's behavior was becoming more and more erratic, and her memory was going and everything else. So I came to the conclusion that she was developing Alzheimer's but of course i'm a layperson and you know I needed to get assurance on this so I took it to her doctor And her doctor had never heard of Charles Bonnet syndrome. Why should they know? Why should they know, and to be reasonable why should they know but with an aging population you would think that more doctors should be aware of this psychological state because it is a way of early diagnosing Alzheimer's because we subsequently discovered she did have low cell Alzheimer's and she was diagnosed with the Alzheimer's and it became progressively worse and she's now literally catatonic

28:34 Now the curious thing about this is that my research into Charles Bonnet syndrome and there's a whole chapter on Charles bonnet syndrome in the new book, is that charles bonnet syndrome. Is also experienced by young children and it is also known as the mythical friends you know the way children was a monster under the bed all day series all they see entities this is the same thing so your children have it and elderly people have it. Now what is this telling us about the way in which we develop as we get older? And I then started to read up, and i found that Charles Bonnet syndrome is also experienced by individuals who suffer from classic migraine now i'm a classic migraine

29:29 I've never ever seen little entities but i have the or state and i have everything which we can touch upon later but i discovered that there are writers and individuals who into their twenties and thirties seem to carry forward, the scene of mythical friends or imaginary friends into the post pubescent period because most children lose this. Usually it's eight or nine but definitely by the time they get into pubescence they stop and i think i know the reason why this happens which will touch upon later and do in passing with the corpus callosum in the brain, which is the thick body of fiber that holds the left right hemisphere together.

30:16 the neurons in that area open to the ages of six or seven don't have myelination. Myelination is actually insulation of the neurons in the brain which effectively means that the right and left hemispheres of the brains, children do not communicate which effectively means they are bicameral which means that they either exist in their dominant or non-dominant hemispheres which opens up for I argue for the doors of perception which will touch upon later But with people with classic migraine, you find that they see many of them do. They see little children and there's an American writer called Siri Hussfeldt and she still experiences Charles Bonnet syndrome when she is now in her 40s And she describes in her books what she sees and one incident she describes is uncanny She was sitting on her bed

31:15 And suddenly through the door of her bedroom was a little farmer about eight inches tall with a little cow. And he's pulling the cow and the cow is responding and pulling back at him so he gets to stick out, and he beats the cow. As he does so, a little police car comes around full of little police officers who get out and arrest him, push him into the police car and drive out. And she's sitting there watching this and this hallucination for in raised commas is out there in three-dimensional reality now this phenomenon is known and before people think I'm making this up I strongly advise you read the book Hallucinations by Oliver Sacks, The late Oliver Sacks

32:04 and all of us is one of the most fascinating writers on extraordinary psychological neurological experiences that people have you wrote a famous book called mike the man who was stuck his wife for a hat wonderful title and it literally was one of his Patients was suffering from agonies here and various other problems and he literally thought his wife with his hat so he tried to pick her up in potter on his head. Okay and he has a whole chapter In his book hallucinations on Charles bonnet syndrome and in this chapter he discusses in great detail the things I have discussed in greater detail in my book about elderly people. And the way charles bonnet syndrome seems to start developing now why believe this is because old age, end youth it being an infant directly related

33:03 and that as an old person of you notice with all people as they get older. They become more childlike they start to look like a child my mother i've watched my mother going reverse From being a woman in her seventies been very fit and active and very very bright to becoming more like a child, i need even more like a child till now she's virtually a fetus she's cold up in bed she tiny cheese in the position she doesn't move she doesn't communicate just like baby does. I believe this is because when you die go back to being reborn again

33:46 and everything psychologically you are developing i'm going back down into childhood into infancy, and then you get reborn again install of course in my books i discussed this in great detail but what the first place is the first book i don't know if actually pulled together. Powerful powerful information was a guy called barry riseberg in nineteen eighty four again he's scientist, he's a neurologist heat came up with the hypothesis cold retrogenesis and retro genesis is exactly what i have just said it were the old person becomes a child they go backwards in time.

34:32 But of course he wouldn't argue they start again, but I argue they do. Our life is a circle or life is like well it's like a spiral and when we die we go back and were reborn again. And there's more evidence this powerful evidence from neurology that this is the case because what happens is when the child starts to become aware of its world What does it doing? It sees the world as extension itself We know this how children's minds work you know from pierre j and the developmental people by goski and other people that looked at developments of young children all through the centuries, all three recent years we know this is how to child develops can i believe they carry through. Third doors of perception as old sucks describe them when in fact it wasn't older soxley it was william blake. From the park from the poem from songs of innocence i think it was

35:31 But effectively, the doors of perception are open and this is the whole theme of the book. So from my mother's experiences but I think the important detail here is the alien encounter the way in which the alien seem to be the facilitator and seemed to be something that was the start of opening doors for perception. And I think this is a profound significance, especially when we start discussing which hopefully will later DMT experiences. Man, those are powerful observations and a really elegant way to describe old age and the dying process makes it seem a lot less scary. I really do like that! And you know you mentioned

36:14 hallucinations and your book talks about that a lot but it is such a loaded term. And to be clear, this isn't to say that these things people are experiencing or seeing aren't real autonomous or conscious entities only that they can't be sensed in brains of neurotypical states which is a term I liked that I got from you But I guess it gets really weird when UFOs leave physical traces or people are found with implants. How do we rectify some of those physical traces of what the monoculture would want to say are just hallucinations? Well, this is where the problem lies because my mother's experience of seeing the UFO over Price's factory on The Whirl

36:55 was subsequently vindicated by a Facebook friend of mine called Morrigan Hawkins. And again, if you want to link up with me anybody out there wants to link up with me on space but on Facebook and as a Freudian said effectively do so because I'm very very active on there and i have thousands and thousands of people involved in my work across the world who contact me. But morrigan is somebody who lives all over and she contacted me because we have a mutual friend of mine richard fleming and she is a friend of his and she said i saw you put up on facebook. Your mother's experience and she said i'm ninety five percent certain i sold that object at that time, when she was crossing something called white bridge which is only a forty one highway on the world and she was looking towards the very same factory that my mother so her experience in june exactly the same object

37:47 and it flew in exactly the same direction. And Morrigan described to me that she was in a taxi with a friend of hers, and the taxi driver, and they all saw it." So here we have some kind of external reality that is impinging upon internal reality but if we conclude that both internal hallucinations and external reality are both elements of the same thing Suddenly the idea that physical manifestations in three dimensional reality somehow discredit or credit. The hallucinations something becomes a new point in other words, the reason we perceive external reality when you do it because the brain itself internally generates a model of external reality within the brain and presents it to consciousness

38:45 Which means that external reality is much a brain generated hallucination as internal reality. Now this again is not mad nonsense anybody who actually understands how the brain internally models reality knows this is a fact I was in a debate with skeptics of formal debates in london two years ago, three on my team and three skeptic And we wipe the earth with them. That's why they never involve me in these kind of debates and one of the guys on my side was a guy called Professor Raymond Tallis, and Raymond Tallis is an absolute polymath brilliant mind brilliant guy and Ray in his presentation now again if anybody's interested Ray's presentation is on YouTube If you just look up Raymond Tallis London debate

39:42 You will find it okay and in his opening presentation he makes this amazing comment what she says that the idea of that. How to body experiences and nds and other extraordinary expenses are extraordinary and strange is weird because it's just as extra ordinary strange but i'm having a real life experience right, it is justice old people never ever think about that i am something Some work somehow behind my eyes and between my ears that somehow aware of all this that surround me in a ordinarily dead universe i am something perceiving something, this is why people never ever think deeply enough you know they dismiss any news nate's miss obes.

40:37 But they never ever think, but isn't it absolutely staggeringly amazing that I'm here? And indeed is it not staggeringly amazing that anything exists rather than nothing. But it does and it's perceived by me now again as an analogy I've used in my previous writings here when people turn around and say external reality is real internal hallucinations are not The only reason that an hallucination is a hallucination is because it's not shared by anybody else. That is the absolute definition, It is a perception that is external to yourself that nobody else perceives but there is something else in psychology called a folio d'oeuvre and a folio d'oeuvre is when you and another person share a hallucinations which has been recorded many many times

41:30 So, here we have a problem for materialist reductionists science. Because the only way they can explain a folie-a-deur which is a shared hallucination is by falling back on telepathy. Communication between brains at a distance but they don't believe in that anyway so they use one thing they don't believe in to explain something else they don't believe in When you then have a group of individuals who collectively have an hallucination, like many of the mass UFO sightings with the incident at Fatima where that sun supposedly spun in the sky. These things were seen by thousands of people. That's collective hysteria! So we have thousands of people sharing and hallucination

42:24 But if thousands of people can share hallucination why is external reality similarly not an elucidation because the only reason i believe that external reality is real because other people correspond and agree with me it is consensually real it's actually a term called consensual reality we consent to the fact that we see the same things but Clearly collective hallucinations destroy that argument right so there are researchers in recent years of those a couple guys many many years ago came up with the book on hallucinations is lady called cd green and her associate i think it's christopher calling mccreary

43:09 And they came up with something called a metachoric model of perception. And the metachoric model is simply this, everything is an hallucination. Everything! And to me that makes eminent good sense. Absolutely, I agree and maybe we should throw dimethyltryptamine in here a little bit because you could consider it a bit of a clue that...I mean i've heard other researchers suggest that because the alien abduction phenomenon and UFO sightings seem to repeat with people they seem to be multi-generational. I've heard some people equate that to

43:47 the reasoning being that maybe it's because of a hereditary DMT dumping condition of some kind or some kind of chemical issue. What are your thoughts on that? And maybe, you know also what role does dimethyl tryptamine play in the big picture? Okay well the things we have to discuss here is there will be people out there who will be believing Some people know that DMT, just an explanation. Dimethyltryptamine is the most powerful hallucinogenic substance probably known to man. The most powerful one thus discovered It's in nature it's in plants It seems to be everywhere. It seems unusual to find places where its not Its been found in the cerebral fluid In the back of spinal cord Its been found in liver and I think its been found in lining stomach

44:41 But educated people will counter the argument and say, yes that is it maybe but it's never been discovered in the brain. It has been discovered in the brain its just that people don't know about it and the reason being is I think this discovery has caused incredible problems with deniers of greater reality 2014 I think he was There was a paper published by a lady called Jimo Borgigin, who is at the University of Michigan. And she's been researching the brains of rats and she did some tests on rats that year and she found inside the pineal gland of rats dimethyltryptamine

45:40 The rat's brain is a mammalian brain. It has evolved in exactly the same way as the human brain has evolved. The reason that they do experiments with rats is because the neurological, the way the brain communicates with a rat is incredibly similar to the way the human brain comes about. They found it in alive rat. Now if that is the case either dimethyl tryptamine is generated by the pineal gland or it appears from somewhere else in the body, in the pineal gland. But there is no question that it was inside the pineal gland Now this then explains why its in the spinal cerebral fluid It explains why its in the body and it explains why its in the blood Its part of us we have evolved in this way now the reason we don't know that dimethyltryptamine is in the pineal gland of live people Is obvious

46:41 It doesn't last very long and it changes into other substances so unless anybody is willing to volunteer. I have the brain split open and have a sensor put inside that pineal gland, We'll never know, but if somebody volunteers to do that I guarantee they will discover that DMT is generated by the pineal gland. There is lots of supporting evidence for this for example there are things called the TARS receptors the trace amine associated receptors and there's something called a sigma 1 and sigma 2 receptor sites

47:19 And these receptor sites within the neurons of the brain are known to react with dimethyltryptamine. It's as if they are designed, they're like little harbors and receptor sites are always designed to work with particular neurotransmitters which are chemicals that are generated by the brain to communicate send messages across the brain These are designed to work with dimethyltryptamine Now, if dimethyltryptamine these have been designed this means that dimethyltryptamine is something called a neurotransmitter. And if it's a neurotransmitter It is our modulator of reality and this is something that Rick Stressman argued So suddenly we have something very curious here because Dimethyl tryptamine has been known for many many years and I'll touch upon ayahuasca later If we get the opportunity but just to focus into dimethytryptamine for a second

48:13 In the early 1990s, a guy called Professor Rick Strassman was employed by the American government. This is known this is not conspiracy theory this is unknown fact... Was employed together with his university University of New Mexico to do research into the effects of dimethyl tryptamine on volunteers and they had scores of volunteers who volunteered to take intravenously have injected into their bloodstream Dimethyl Tryptamine And then their job was to have the dimethyltryptamine experience and report back to the scientists what they experienced. Now, the curious thing here... Again if anybody's interested I'm sure there are a lot of individuals out there who've already read the book it is called Spirit Molecule but Rick reports as he would do in a scientific way The reports that the individuals gave all of them said that when they were in DMT state

49:15 they realized that this here is the hallucination the dmt trip opened up their doors of reception to the pluroma for want of a better time i mean rick doesn't use that term but i do and. Suddenly there in another reality that is another level of reality above hours and in this level of reality though entities and these entities have motivations these entities Show planning these entities communicate the not like things that appearing to normal dreams they are things that were expecting them, what's something when they went they got into this place where they go into this kind of cloudscape and there is being so they can see through the clouds and then the bean start to look at them the beans were expecting them. The beans knew that they would take indian tea i'm ready for them

50:13 The beings in question were generally described in a very similar way to Gray's. Not only that, but Terence McKenna who is one of the major writers on DMT Call them the machine elves. And these entities are virtually identical to the entities that my mother saw, they are identical to lots of entities that people see in out-of-the body experiences, people who in remote viewing and people who are abducted with UFOs Now the weird and rather disturbing thing about this, and it will be a feature of my new book is what do they up too?

50:54 because they seem to be experimenting because again these individuals during the dmt trips recorded really awful things being done to them now what is significant here. Is that the candy parallels drawn here to shamanic traveling because when people should manage travel, they meet entities when they should make a travel and there is something called a shamanic journey And in the shamanic journey, somebody...the person, the shaman is dismembered and cut into by other beings. It's part and parcel of the process of becoming a shaman now in the book I describe a series of incidents that took place in the life of a guy called Myron Dial who is a Californian artist and Myron ever since his early childhood has been traveling to a place he calls Zellcon

51:50 And in Zelkon there are entities. And there's one sequence which I discuss in the book taken from his non-published autobiography called The Boy That Nobody Wanted, which I strongly suggest you should read. He describes how he is ripped apart by entities and then put together again and regenerated now. The intriguing thing about Myron is that he has temporal lobe epilepsy which in my book i say is the next level where the doors of perception open slightly wider from migraine. Epilepsy and particularly temple epilepsy so suddenly, i'm starting to pull together something that actually very very very structured it's only i'm not writing but i've had these weird experiences and then there's weird experiences the martians have told me all these things

52:50 I'm actually doing the science and saying there are direct links between migraine, and temporal lobe epilepsy in fact there is a known syndrome that is something called electoid. Electroid my brain where individuals you cannot tell the difference between a migraine aura under temporal lobe epilepsy or so these people who do looking into the pluroma starting to get wider and wider Now I argue with Myron and he's in agreement with me on this because i have to be sensitive about this, cause i said myron i think you have more than epilepsy. I think you have elements of schizophrenia and there is something called SLPE it's schizophrenia like psychosis of epilepsy and this is the borderline between epilepsy and schizophrenia and schizophrenia is when the doors of perception are blown off

53:49 And schizophrenics see the pleuroma and of the entities, whatever they are coming through and they are part of their hallucinatory life all the time. And it drives them mad! Man is just mind-blowing stuff You know, the first part of everything you said before you got to Myron's experiences describes what I experienced to a tee. Especially the element that you're transported to a foreign environment for lack of better terms and you instantly know that it is a familiar place that is more real than your everyday reality and you can't explain to a skeptic or non-experiencer what that feels like? It's like saying

54:34 It hurt when you stabbed me with the pen well how do you know it hurts because i felt pain I know it hurt just no it did and that's how the feeling is you just you know its strange but yet incredibly familiar and. If i had experience in myself mean that morning i woke up in atheist i went to bed not knowing what the hell was going on but, Amazing stuff, man. We got through about half the questions I had for you and we'll have to do this again sometime. No absolutely anytime Greg if you want to do it again i'm more than happy to be your great interviewer and you know your stuff Thank You Matt And you do your research you actually give me the honor of reading the book which is important Hosts only have a couple small jobs and that would be one of them but you know the rest of the world makes it easy for me I guess so thanks again man

55:16 Are you one thing i did take away from your been a fan of your work since we first got familiar actually the guest on my twenty first show ever so i appreciate coming on at such an early stage and. You talked about the lucid light device and you made me aware that and i was lucky enough to experience when it came through town, so im always gonna owe you that because that was okay okay could have you go time tells about your experience with it yeah um To be honest with you, it was a little... because they had to dial on the machine and it had 10 stages. And they said we can dial up the intensity as much as you might like and on ten they have the label DMT. I said well, you know, I've done DMT. I've done several hallucinogens let's just go for it! I'm here not going to see this again

56:03 It was interesting but it felt like, you know having experienced DMT it kind of felt like a synthetic version and I was left kind of dizzy which is not what I experienced with the drug itself. Definitely fascinating that you could get someone that close to a real psychedelic experience with just flashing lights. We are just a series of electrodes and we're big computers, and it was intense. It definitely was but I felt like it still felt slightly simulated and I didn't really get out-of-body in the way that I've heard other people describe

56:40 No, I totally agree with you on that. I think the thing is as you know, I point out a section in the book where I discuss Cliver form constants and cliver form constants i think of what it generates and these are hallucinogenic images but they are not as powerful as what dmg would be in other words dmg i think he's kind of looking at a tv screen and seeing something to distance where is the empty gives you i mean i never taken substance but i am told, can i reduce the analogy it's like being in an imac cinema surround sound 3d the whole caboodle that's the difference because i do not think you can simulate these things

57:25 In that way, I think they have to be simulated differently. And there could be an argument that it might actually stimulate the pineal gland to release dimethyltryptamine endogenous dimethyltryptamine but I remain to be convinced but until i have done dmt obviously can never really comment. In that way cuz i can you can and i think your opinion on that is very very important thanks for sharing thank you man i wouldn't even give it a second thought had not emphasized how, useful could be as a tool and i'm glad i cannot get off the bucket list for sure So man, I definitely love this. We could do it all day but that pretty much is all the time we have. It's been a serious blast talking to you again before we go remind the people where they can get the book and where they can follow more of your ongoing work maybe on your website

58:14 Okay yeah my website is Anthony peak dot com it's recently been totally revised so to completely brand new website there and you'll find tons of material on that, all my interviews this interview will be up there with my previous interviews with greg will be out there everything else we will all be in terms of my books get them on amazon you can order from your local bookshop probably find some of them in your local bookshop. They're on Kindle. I'm about to spend three days in two weeks time recording an audible, or the audible whatever they called book for my first book so that will be going into sound lots of material out there but my books and if you want to help me

58:53 Always, always the best way to help me financially is to buy the books off my website because there is a section on there where you can buy the books and get signed copies. I cannot compete with Amazon in terms that I have to pay distribution costs but you get the book at the same price as you would pay in a bookshop and I'll sign it and everything else and obviously you're then part of my world, but join me on Facebook. Check me out on Facebook check out the website and everything else and I'd love to hear from you if you've had experiences it's important to me that i get feedback. I get scores of messages every day so I try as best as I can to get back to everybody but I cant guarantee it but I will try. Right on cool Anthony amazing keep digging in and we will be eager to digest what you discover until next time thanks Greg thank you

59:41 Alright, Anthony Peake. Big thanks to him! Great speaker, passionate about his work, touched by more than one personal connection to the research and you gotta respect that And hey life is weird Consciousness is weird and to talk about it at these depths is pretty refreshing because when was the last time he actually sat with a buddy? And contemplated why We need sleep to live Why we need REM sleep specifically the dream cycle you don't dream and 48 hours are probably gonna die I don't know exactly how long you can go but the point is that you can't go along was last time he said hey instead of going out downtown tonight let's do mushrooms in the backyard.

1:00:24 I don't know, but I almost asked Anthony about how animals might sense the pleroma. But I've been way too into animal questions lately probably because of planet earth 2 and the fact that i don't get out of the house enough. I sit on a couch with two cats and a dog and smoke weed till I try to send them telepathic messages It's not a healthy lifestyle, but it is where we're at. Although there was that one story or maybe it has happened multiple times but I think there was a pretty famous case of a house cat that lived in hospital and would always spend time in person's room the day before they died. It just knew! Or it was killing people? But I think it just had a sick sense about things... Who knows why?!

1:01:02 I actually recall my dad telling me something similar about an old uncle of his or somebody in the family who was really highly accurate at predicting deaths of loved ones. Dig back a few generations and i think most of us will find something like that also the great minds behind Westworld which we talked about are actually Michael Crichton and Jonathan Nolan, Christopher Nolan's brother And I'm only three episodes into the show and I find it to be pretty slow But I'm going to try and stick with it. It's just so frustrating because what do you say to a person who is completely sure of themselves, wrong and also in the majority? It's like the conversational equivalent of nails on a chalkboard. To me when I'm driving in a car with someone and they say they want to turn on the air conditioner because they're hot. I don't say well, I'm in this car and I'm not hot So there's no way that that could be your experience or if someone says they're hungry. I don't say nah That can't be

1:02:23 I mean, how do you respond to that? Someone doubting that you're experiencing the sensation of hunger. It's the same thing with psychedelics! Don't tell me what i experienced if you don't have the balls to do it yourself then get insight from those who do. Don't shit on their experiences. Don't put up a wall sponsored by The Establishment Coalition for A One-Note World Fuck That and fuck them. I'm out of here Your move, brave psychonauts and entheogenic explorers risking it all to further explore the depths of the multiverse in silent defiance of a multi-generational campaign to regulate our brains to wavelengths they deem fit. It's your fucking move!

1:03:02 Lucid dreams are so vivid, cause you go to bed at seven And your brain comes alive because you hate your nine-to-five You wake up with a dread and make sure your cats are fed Did your brain talk to a ghost who moved your coffee and toast As you listen to the higher side chats You get to your desk and your boss says it's a mess And your soul slowly goes To a place where nothing grows When you think he's not around, you insert a SETI sound The OM says turn it down and you say It's just the higher side chats Oh do you think you'd be invited? To Bohemia Grove. To a Bilderberg club Do you think you'd be invited

1:03:52 Buy a Rothschild to a party on a submarine Diving down To the center of the earth Through the Marianas Trench Your teeth begin to clench From the sulfurous stench The mask you're given doesn't fit Cause you're not one of them Starting today, you'll make plans to get away There's no one to hold you down And the what-ifs start to drown Then you wake To the glare Of a cold fluorescent stare and The light winks at you Cause its life is almost through But it's holding on to quit time just like You It's time for the High Side Chats!

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