Alan Stivelman | Witness Of Another World, Contact, & The Inner Earth

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the fireside chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. I'm Greg Carlwood and these are The Hireside Chats

01:30 Alright, how we doing out there Hiresight Chatters from sunny San Diego? I'm Greg Carlwood and it's crazy how much time we spend distracted by digital screens or sequestered away in some office for green paper in a world where people are having real face-to-face experiences with nonhuman intelligences aliens flyers of the crafts spirits Or what have you and we don't know much more about it today than we did 40 years ago. And whether it's an out-of-body experience, something strange appearing in their bedroom at night or a lonely drive down a two lane highway that ends in spaceship surgery. Thousands of people experience things that our larger culture just won't accept or even examine

02:12 It's a damn shame because even when people are willing to come forward with their experiences, it is all risk and no reward as they're often ridiculed or thought of as crazy. Or if they had a career in the military or aviation it might very well be over And they're not closer to the answers that desperately seek about what the hell that was Maybe we're being bred and harvested on a planet-shaped people farm, maybe we're being seeded with valuable information to take us into the new age or maybe Earth is at cosmic truck stop on the way back to Zeta Reticuli. What we do know is that will never get any closer these answers if we don't consider all the options and talk with these experiencers openly and honestly And today were gonna talk to someone who's done exactly that

02:58 Our guest today is Alan Stivelman, a filmmaker all the way from Argentina who recently released a documentary called Witness of Another World that is the first of its kind to dive deeply into the human side of one particular close encounter. That of Juan Perez who came face-to-face with some reality shattering beings in 1978 when he was only 12 years old And now, over 40 years later, Alan brings the world-renowned Jacques Vallée back to Argentina to find Juan living a simple life in isolation so they can examine the physical psychological and emotional impact of that fateful day. It's a film chock full of THC themed goodness and I am psyched to get into it! The deep diving director and Argentinian alien encounter chronicler, the maker of 8mm magic, Alan welcome to The Higher Side

03:50 Thank you thank you great thank you for the introduction and thanks for doing this it's really been a while since I was compelled to watch a UFO documentary but there is a lot to like about yours first the encounter itself is pretty spectacular as are the lasting effects from it But also i'm a big jack valet fan and jacques actually met with one when he was just a boy to talk about this encounter and then. One's case made it into some of jocks writings now for decades later you want to go, meet with one and really try to help him heal from this because it wasn't experience that deeply affected his life

04:31 And obviously gonna break down that encounter but i wanted to ask you how ones case got on your radar and became the subject of your latest release because i understand it's a somewhat directed story involving automatic writing in synchronicity right. Yes yeah it was pretty weird. It's a change of events i was writing that script seven years ago, i was doing out of magic writing by the time i was trying to improve my skills of writing. And I was writing a fiction story about that couple that suffered an abduction, the girl suffering an abduction and was kidnapped by entities. And she got pregnant in after 30 pages, I start to say what I'm writing why am doing this stuff because

05:26 my field of work and research was more archaeology, the search of lost civilizations rather than UFO or the supernatural world. So then I stopped and I remember I bought a book from John Mack and also I bought a book from a psychiatrist and psychologist from Argentina that put together in this book plenty of cases of Argentina And one of the chapter was about Juan Perez. And while I was presenting my previous movie in Rosario, is a city in Argentina, in the cinema, in the audience was the author of this book. Wow! While I was speaking to these audience, I was grabbing this book with my hand and he was really surprised and shocked because he left

06:25 the investigation of UFO and aliens about 15 years. And he said, why is this thing coming to me again? The next day we spend the whole day together we ate a pizza and while we were eating he started to tell me about one of the most significant cases from from his research and it was the Juan's first case. And he showed to me one of his footage, and it is on the movie at the beginning of the movie we saw Juan when he was 18 years old He is in a UFO congress trying to speak to an audience about what he saw what he experienced

07:13 and he's not able to start speaking, he grabbed his head and said something like you won't trust me. You won't believe me." And when I saw that footage, I felt something really strange. I felt a connection with Juan, with his case, with his tale. Immediately after, I asked Dr. Berlanda if I wanted to meet Juan And he was living by that time in a very far house, in the countryside. In a very isolated way and after four months I went there, I met Juan it was one of the most significant meetings that I ever had for me It was the first time that I met someone who dealt with the supernatural with the unknown

08:08 And I remember, I was having my DSLR camera. I tried to make a short film because... ...I never thought that i was going to make a film out of it and while Juan was trying to explain what he saw what he experienced He started to cry and then I stopped my camera because I was not I felt really strange trying to record while he was crying. So then, I stopped and sat next to him and just listened to what he was telling me. And I remember his last words when we were saying goodbye. He told us something like please come back don't forget about me. And I kept Juan in my head during four years

09:00 After plenty of research, studying about the UFO phenomenon I realized that one of the most important things in these studies are the human aspect of the UFO phenomenon. And...I felt very confident in order to make a movie so I spent three months making this script tried to fund my movie also And then i started three years ago and now we have the movie ready to everyone yes it is a very cool story and the fact that you end up.

09:40 Really kind of healing a broken man so to speak and giving him some answers it makes the whole thing feel that much more purposeful But to make sure everyone is on the same page and understands one story tell us about The encounter he had when he was a boy, so that people have the context they need before we can really dive into it Yes well let me say When Juan was 12 years old. One was a very shy child His grandfather passed away two years before this contact, and his grandfather was a very special person for him. It was his guide. He was the one who taught Juan to hunt, to live in the countryside, to connect with the animals, with nature. And 2 years after, Juan had this contact. It was 6 o'clock in the morning of September 6 1978

10:40 Juan leaves his house to go in search of the herd of horses, to begin the task of the field. And before going into school, Juan has strict tasks to do. His father was very severe with him and Juan rides his horse Comet that was the name of his horse Comet and gallops a few meters until suddenly three lights in the sky began to dance frenetically His horse was scared, he did not want to move forward. So Juan returns home and explains the situation to his father. His father ignores him completely so Juan returns and goes back with Comet and observes that a thick fog was covering the entire field

11:34 Without fear, he decides to cross it but his horse was a little scared so it was difficult for Juan to make him move forward. When crossing the fog bank, Juan sees that a white circular object was landed on the ground. in the original reports mentions that he thought that he was seeing a kind of tractor or house for farm workers. He never said the word ship, UFO, craft whatever you want and I want to hide this detail because Juan throughout the whole experience always thought that he was seeing something familiar

12:21 He never thought that he was seeing aliens, extraterrestrials or a UFO from outer space. So that was why he was not afraid the whole experience so when he was seeing this white circular object A gate from it opens and a tall being looks out and invites him to go up A ladder descends from the ship. Juan shyly approaches with his horse, gets off and ties the stirrups to the ladder. Juan climbs the ladder as he can each step is very high so he finally succeeds an enters this ship. Juan sees a very strange space for him on his left side

13:13 He observes that there is a small being, 1.5 meters tall who is cutting meat on a transparent table Instead of hands it has scissors and instead of feet it has wheels The small being ignores the presence of Juan the whole experience On his right side he sees the tall being He's about three meters tall. He is watching monitors and making hand movements as if he were typing on a touch screen A very important detail is that in front of Juan there is a transparent wall That prevents one from going to the other side it was something like an electromagnetic field

13:56 So Juan tries to cross the wall with his hand, but he can't. On the contrary, the small being moves from one place to another without problems. Suddenly, the gate begins to close and Juan is scared because he's afraid that his father will challenge him for being entertained. He quickly gets off the ship and sees that his horse was injured because it hit a ladder So the tall being appears next to Juan and Juan asks him for help. Suddenly, the tall being squeezes Juan's arm and scratches him I need to stop here because what happened was that in the original report after this tall being squeezed his arm Juan returns home but before that The tall being gave him a present A glove

14:59 from his arm as a souvenir in order for Juan to be believed by the others, by the family that this encounter was real. But before he arrived at his house three little lights came out of this spaceship and got the... gets off this glove so Juan wasn't able to have these gifts This scene is not in the movie because what happened was while we were doing the regression to Juan because we wanted to find evidences or To find if there is some lost memories during this event what happened was that after this Tolbin started to squeeze one's arm, Juan make a little noise or something like whoa and he started to describe that he was seen as

15:57 a lot of stars. Suddenly he was traveling or seeing, having a vision we don't know but he started to say wow this is beautiful the skies and he was like traveling with plenty of other beings there was not just this tall being there were plenty of others around him and before the end of their regression Juan saw something that was really powerful and emotional to him, that we needed to stop there. Dr. Néstor Berlanda decided to stop there, the regression because it was two hours of regression and it was so emotional and powerful to him that we needed to stop there. And I don't want to say what he saw

16:52 because I prefer that you see the movie, but it was something that it was really powerful to him. And it has to be with the idea... Because Juan by that time was asking this Tolbien why me? Why me? And Juan had an answer very special and we need to link that vision with this question. Why is this happened to me? Why did you choose me Yes that is a great summary it is a very intense story with a lot of detail and of course authenticity is a big factor because anyone can say anything yes. But in this case we have a simple farm boy an argentina was only twelve he never seen a sci fi movie or anything like that, he has a physical mark left on his arm nobody believe me had no reason to come up with the story and

17:49 Then there's that video you mentioned of one standing at the podium in a crowded room set to talk about his experience and he just completely. Breaks down into tears it's very telling that this kid experienced something real and it's not easy for him to talk about and of course now he is an adult man but this has followed them through his whole life through forty years right exactly It's really hard to show hardcore evidences from UFO cases. We had it, for example you mentioned that he had a mark on his right arm For example the horse comet died 24 hours later there was also a mark on the grass where the UFO landed but I think those evidences are not enough to prove that the UFO

18:47 phenomenon is something that is real. So as a filmmaker, I try to focus in the evidence that for me it's one of the most important things that is the trauma. The trauma is real we have someone who was carrying something really really big in a psychological aspect or way for more than four decades We don't know what one saw. We don't know if we are dealing with aliens from another planet, or if we are dealing with a vision or a shamanic appearance, or if we are dealing with interdimensional or multidimensional beings and also I don't care because this is something really big to deal...

19:39 help a person to try to helping in order to put all the pieces together and Thanks to the story of Juan, tried to reflect about or meditate about the idea of the unknown or the supernatural with the help of Jack Vallee With the shamans because this movie has plenty of voices We have the voices from the spiritual realm thanks today shaman shamanic view from one of the most important indigenous cultures from South America, that they are the Waranis. We have the voice of the science thanks to the psychiatrist and Jack Vallee for me it was really beautiful to see these voices that are in the same way of thinking they seize the supernatural connection in the same way with different ways

20:35 communicating but they are speaking the same language yes and this is where we really should give some credit to jacques valet because he was one of the people that really opened up this you follow g field by saying hey these aren't just alien ships from space that conclusion leaves out way too much data something's going on within the consciousness of these experience. Some don't see ships at all some see the virgin mary for christ sake exactly exactly what you know he really expanded beyond this hypothesis and spend some time with him had to be pretty great i mean he was involved with jay allen hynek in project blue book as well as russell targets remote viewing research.

21:21 I'm sure that you spent a lot of time with Jacques that wasn't in the film. Did he give you any added insight or information about his latest studies, their realizations when it comes to this stuff? Well, I remember one of the last day of his trip we were having dinner in Buenos Aires and I asked him well Jack after so many decades of research, studying What is your conclusion? What we are dealing with, what is the UFO? Please tell me. I will keep this secret with me don't worry." And he laughed a lot and said something like... I still don't know what we are dealing but I can assure you that the most important thing of these UFO phenomenon Is that create bridges or links between people

22:18 Because thanks to the UFO phenomenon, I was able to meet Juan and meet you Alan. And for me now on my age is the most important thing a lesson of this phenomenon that the UFO phenomenon connects people and we are able also to help them because we have so much to learn from these contactees or abductees that we don't know yet he was speaking on the ufologist side, that we are so worried about what the contactees saw. For example, what was plenty of details about the entities or the shape of the UFO that we tend to forget

23:07 There is an impact on the consciousness of these contactees. And it's really important to make a follow up in the long term because we were going to be able to find new evidences and other thing that he told me, that they contact itself is just the beginning of this journey for these people. In the case of Juan I can assure you it was like that Four years of meeting Juan, Juan was able to remember that he had other cases. Other experiences after this event and the last one was just two years before it was after the movie and also I found out that his mother

23:57 was also a contactee when she was a child. And this was a very top secret for her, even Juan didn't know that his mother suffered the same thing so it's really important to make a follow-up in these cases because we were going to be able to find plenty of new information to understand the nature of their reality and also the UFO phenomenon Well said and yes it is a little unique i mean very unique that this movie revisits the person forty years later to see how its affected them they're still dealing with aspects of it. This thing you just mentioned about ones mom being an experience or i think that is mind blowing because she was,

24:49 Was very tight lipped about it she didn't wanna talk about it because she's like if we ignore the problem maybe it'll go away i don't want my son to get taken sexy, you know she had all these real fears and that's legitimate but what does it say about the multi generational aspect you mentioned his grandfather earlier i mean this is where i think the documentary really shines because so many. abductees or contact these have this in their family line and he was so. Concerned about being kind of isolated with this case he didn't have anyone you can connect with and meanwhile, he's got family who says yeah i know what your experience and they just didn't kinda let him on it

25:34 Exactly, exactly. And he thought the whole time he was the only one in the whole world that had this kind of experience and one of the most traumatic things for him was the consequences of being countered and one was the premonition dreams that he was starting to have Every night, every night when he goes to sleep he started on his own words. He was entering a real dream. He told me that this dream was more real than our reality and for him it was living curse because he was dreaming about accidents about death from his colleagues

26:26 friends, family and he thought that it was his fault. He was feeling guilty because he thought that he was actually producing this reality thanks to his dreams. Yes prophetic dreams I mean he started having the same dream every night and it felt more real than waking life That's correct? Exactly Correct But he was able also to distinguish from the ordinary dream because, for example, he told me that if we go to sleep on his left side, he will enter a normal dream or an ordinary one. But if he suddenly during the night flips to their right side, you will enter a real dream. He knows how to distinguish one dream to another and when he enters our real dream

27:25 he's more real than when we are wake up. I think that is so amazing, there's definitely some connection it seems to be in his case that this place where he was touched its like if you sleeping on that side its one thing or the other side it's another and it seems pretty obvious that it's related to that touch exactly thats what I was going tell you it is related because Spot that is the spot of the mark right. Man and you also mentioned his mom in her previous experience but there's also something interesting about her and i just resonate with me when I heard you talk about it cuz i met someone who said the same thing they said they didn't like to be touched because a certain thing happens when their touch done what did she tell ya wow

28:23 Well, she didn't tell me because she's really shy. Juan told me that after the movie, after this process her mother was so happy that she felt really relieved seeing Juan as he was again happy that he recovered his life and she confessed to Juan that you also had these experience when she was a child and also she explained to Juan why she doesn't like to be touched. It was the first time that she revealed this information, and she told Juan that she felt everything every... For example if I touch her, she will feel all my fears what will happen to me in a year or two years and sometimes she sees some things that are not really

29:19 good images or happy moments. She will probably see bad things and she doesn't like to see those things because this is my opinion, perhaps now that I know her she felt responsible for seeing those things and she doesn't want to be the one who had these responsibility because she likes to live her life pretty normal. She doesn't like to be a shaman, but I know from my research that her father was something similar to a shaman so

30:01 For my way of understanding, the UFO phenomenon came to this family as an indigenous cult or culture cult or lineage cult. You can put the name you want but it is something that is related with her lineage because she carries on his blood a shamanic lineage that was cut off when his father or the grandfather of one passed away. Right Sometimes people might have this in their lineage but especially today especially americans we know so little about. Our family history just going back even to three generations it's easy to see how something like this could be lost if it wasn't carefully cultivated and passed along and the person given context for what they're lineage is exactly exactly the lineage

31:01 It comes to aid and anneal, UFO phenomenon is not new. For my way of understanding we are dealing with a UFO phenomena that comes from the first night of the humanity so... Yeah! it's fascinating to see the UFO phenomena as a whole that is connected to humanity, to our consciousness And we don't know why or when was the first contact, but for my way of understanding there is a relationship and connection between not only the afterlife. The consciousness, the collective unconscious and the UFO phenomenon and ourselves. Yes I'm very much on the same page with you i think it's all in the soup

31:55 And a big part of your film is speaking with these shamans in paraguay and you interview several of them they have a more spiritual take on these experiences but it's just amazing to hear from these wise old. illuminated folks living off the grid, simple lives. These are the exact places that I would like to see filmmakers go to get insights into these types of things or what it is to be human. Tell us a little bit about them? How did they get looped into this film and what similarities does Juan have to them? Well my first step for this project was to go to the jungle, to Paraguay meet these shamans

32:41 because my inner question was if there is a connection between the lineage and the UFO phenomenon. So I prefer that my first step was going to the origin of Juan, directly to his lineage so i went there... The first community that I met was the closest one The shamans for the Guarani tribes are really friendly, but they don't like to connect with white men. They have their reasons we can assume that but I went there and the first night I was received by Plutarco and he told us that he already knew our questions our quest why we are there

33:31 He dreamt about our visit the previous night, so we were shocked and we were really surprised. And he told us that he was going to reveal all the secrets about the supernatural world that was never revealed to a white man. So he was welcoming us. We spent two nights there and visited other communities from the Guaraní Nation And for me, it was one of the most beautiful experiences because I understood the way that they perceived the UFO phenomenon. Because before that, I was trying to deal how to explain to them the word UFO phenomenon because for my... But at time, my perspective of the UFO phenomenon

34:28 that was not linked to the past or to the supernatural realm. It was something, you know... it's like a machine and I don't know if in the jungle they are connected with this reality so i tried to find words that are similar to a UFO try to describe them So I went there with images of one, of UFO sightings He was never surprised in any words. I was also very surprised and shocked because when he started to explain his way of perceiving this reality, his words were the same that

35:14 Dr. Jacques Vallée had in his book, he was telling me that this phenomenon is real 100% real but it doesn't come from this universe or realm It comes from a realm that is next to us But it's not from this dimension. He doesn't come from this universe. It comes from another dimension they call these beings as Tupamiri. Tupa means God and miri, little so they refer to these beings as little gods that comes from the realm of god or something like that but another detail that was really really powerful for me was this phenomenon when it enters this dimension or this reality

36:04 what we see, it is not real. It's something that this phenomenon connects to our consciousness and to our way of perceiving reality but the shape is an holographic, it's not something that is real so saying that he told me that we need to be really aware of what we are seeing because this phenomenon has two sides one side represents the goodness and the other side comes from the dark side. For me it was listening to Star Wars so... Yeah! And he and she also Sylvia another shaman told me the importance, do not be blinded by this light So in a way we don't have to worship that was what she was telling me

37:02 because we need to know from which side they represent. So, they have tools to identify them for example they have songs and chants ancestral chants in order to obligate that like or that entity to identify. In the case of Juan Silvia gave to Juan a very ancient chant that is not on the movie. Oh, yes! Yes sorry it is on the movie but it's in the minute 15 something like that when Juan is riding a horse she started to sing and this chant is to confront to no be afraid because

37:52 One of the messages that they gave to Juan was that he doesn't need to be scared or afraid from this phenomenon. He had to be very confident, very secure of himself and not to be afraid there is no necessity to be scared so I spent 10 days in the jungle my first trip And my second trip was with Juan. At the end of the movie, you see that one reunite them. It was really emotional for Juan because he felt that he recovered a very special piece for his soul because he lost his connection with his roots and for me it was really really special and I also reflect about my origins because i also

38:51 broke my lineage, my religion and culture. So I stepped away from it was very powerful for my own experience is not in the movie but he was part of my inner journey Yes man is that funny how that works out i feel a similar thing myself with what i currently do and then actually reconnecting with stories from before i was born in my family it almost seems like destiny of sorts but, i just love the insights from the shaman saying look don't be overly astonished with this stuff like you need to start religion because so many people do there's these ufo calls are these people become up.

39:33 They get a jesus complex like i've been contacted i've been touched yes you know follow me and these shamans are like. Bro this is nothing special this is like you know we do that's all the time like a weekend contact these things and when you talk about their protocols chanting yes summon it almost sounds like magic like banishing negative entities bringing in the good ones this sounds like exactly your cult. Can you set the right word there is a protocol on what she was telling me he's exactly that, Because it's really easy to feel that I'm the chosen one. I have the messianic archetype, so I like the ambassador of this entity follow me and I will guide you to the stars but sometimes

40:26 you are being manipulated by this force of this phenomenon. So that's why she was telling me that, whoa whoa slow down we need to be very very careful when we contact the supernatural realm there are plenty of forces on that realm and you need to be protected and the Guarani had the rules had the protocol and somehow In Western side, we forgot this protocol. We used to have it but with the capitalism progressives and religion plenty of stuff we tend to see the past as an old fashioned way of living I think we need to learn more about the past than to see the future as a techno

41:23 New age way of living amen and i get really excited over that idea of entities and not taking them at face value because, You know not to get too taboo topic but you look at the major religions and how many wars have been fought the spreading of christianity and how many indigenous cultures were destroyed, add a lot of these people never had a direct experience with this quote unquote god but they have priests who are like hey follow me in god has great things in store for you. But it's like if you look at the actions of some

41:59 Religions of the past and present they can be quite dark and it's like do you really know what you're channeling your energy into I mean, You got to be quite careful Exactly. Exactly that was their message not just for me She know that I was recording It was a message to all of us and also Plutarco in the movie he said something like My words, probably no one will care. From 100 people? Probably 1 or not even one I don't know but i need to spread this message I love it i love that is the power of technology to go those off the radar places where there just aren't cameras and extract a message that can be propelled out, i just love them mechanics their but so i wanted to switch gears a little bit before we get through this first hour to ask you about your other passion before this film and this project that seems to be your next film the secret of the inner world.

43:00 because I'm very interested in inner earth mysteries, lost civilizations underground tunnel systems and all that sort of stuff. And it seems as if you're also interested in that stuff? Yes. I mean this field for more than 10 years and I did my first movie, Humano thanks because it was a journey with the shaman across all the Andes It's something like a spiritual film about life, about death. But I went there because I wanted to investigate the Lake Titicaca is a lake that is shared between Peru and Bolivia and there is an ancient megalithic structure below the water underground because I was trying to find traces footprints of this civilization

43:56 In the Andes, they were called the Wiracochas. But it has plenty of names in different civilizations and now I'm preparing a new project, a new book... A new book sorry! A new movie It's about the journey that we are going to lead to the Andes, to Egypt, to India. In India, we are going to dive into the secret knowledge of the Vedic culture, the Vedas. Yes! In the Vedas it says that in the beginning of humanity there was a war of two civilizations or two kinds of entities one was the Asuras

44:41 and the other one was the Devas, you will find the same archetype in plenty of places. You will find it also in North America with the Hopis, in the Andes with the Quechua's and the whole point of this movie is to show that in ancient time probably 20 or 30 thousand years ago After the last Ice Age, there was a civilization. It was like mother civilization in the Golden Age that gave birth to plenty of cultures to the Sumerians, Egyptians, Mayas, Aryans that probably came from the Arctic zone and moves to India

45:36 And there they started to create the Vedic tradition. So, the whole idea is to expose this big idea that will shift our prehistorian and proto-historian at the end of the movie after these trips to these different places The idea is to expose a hardcore evidence of this civilization doing a real excavation in the heart of the Andes, in Peru, in Cusco. We are going to excavate there with an archaeological team that I'm part of this team and the head of the field department of these association. And the idea is to excavate in Cusco

46:29 in order to find the tunnels that are mentioned in the Spanish chronicles, in the Inca's legends and do expose and reveal that this civilization is real. And it was settled in the Americas way before that are the Incas because you know Now we are in a very big struggle in the academic world, and science because we don't know the origin of men in the Americas. It is said that comes from Asia and started to come to South America thanks to North America but the evidence from their archaeological side

47:21 it's way much more different. And one of the most important writers that are dealing with this battle is Grant Hancock, hopefully we are going to have him on board because from my perspective he is the one who is challenging the academic world saying that for example a comet came to Earth and with that begins the last Ice Age He's doing for me the right work. And also, the other researcher that went to find these evidences... The proof is Anselm Pirembla. He was the one who excavated in the Coricancha, the ancient Inka Temple of the Sun. Now it's a church obviously but below this church

48:20 There is this ancient entrance to the tunnel and it is said that according to the chronicles, all the Andes are a big network of tunnels and chambers. We need to find this as proof! It's really important because it is related with our origin And no one should prohibit this knowledge, even the church, the government. Now it's the time to reveal this knowledge because now it is hidden, still hidden

48:58 Yes, awesome. And man this has been really great you put out a very unique film that contains a lot of nuance and not one mention of the military so I'm into it! Thank you. It really seems like this phenomenon is way closer to something spiritual or metaphysical than it is anything we need the Navy or Air Force for but thats just me Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's useless money to spend millions on radars or antennas in order to prove this, but it's not my money, but I prefer to spend on research on consciousness and making yet to understand the nature of our reality. We don't know nothing about reality. We say plenty of things about reality, but at the end we don't know what is reality in the case of Guarani tribes

49:48 For them, it's way much more important the dream world rather than our reality when we are waking up. So yeah there are plenty of works to do. Yes indeed and before we go here is there anything more to tell the listeners? Obviously The Film is called Witness To Another World It's available on all digital platforms Anything else social media links other websites The main website is witnessofanotherworld.com and the good news is that on December 15, it will be available also on Amazon Prime for US. Oh cool! Just for any subscriber or for a fee? No, its for all the subscribers that has Amazon Prime will be able to see it for free

50:36 Awesome wow that's pretty great it's gonna coordinate really well with the release of this interview thank you yeah. Very cool and before i let you go how long are we gonna have to wait for secret of the inner world i'm really psyched for that one is just a funding thing, yeah it's not just a funny thing because now in development stage I'm still reading and putting all the pieces together to make the script but hopefully if i find a good producer

51:12 I will be able to start next year. I hope so it's a matter of money and time that is the same story It is, it is and then hopefully you'll be cracking that alchemy case next Yes! It is...I want to make an Alchemy... I don't know if I want to make a fiction one or a documentary but definitely this really necessary to speak about these ancestral knowledge. I love it, well definitely stay in touch if that's your path but for now man thanks again for your time and for your film and take care out there! Thank you so much Greg i really enjoy it thank you so much. You got it

51:56 Happy days and hallelujah people! That's what I'm talking about. A deep dive into one particularly impactful entity encounter that checks many of the boxes on Santa's higher side list. Physical contact, seeing the beings not just the craft, lifelong dream experiences as a result, contact from ancestors, a shamanic lineage... It's great And as we said, it's a much richer and deeper lens to view this stuff through than the militaristic one of To The Stars Academy. In fact I just saw quote from Dr Diana Pilsulka along the lines of Tom DeLonge shouldn't make fun of people who have religious experiences because it's all wrapped up in the same phenomenon and the Silicon Valley invisible college that she's interacted with are believers in a spiritual good and evil

52:52 So maybe Tom is missing a big piece of the puzzle. I thought he was an expert on this stuff, but hey for me i'd rather look at a story like this rather than one that is essentially A Navy pilot saw a thing once and to be honest when the production team For this film first reached out it seemed like we were gonna get Jacques Villay himself on the show along with Alan And it fell through But I saw the film, and I also of course really liked Alan's other work. His other passions where he wants to further explore the inner earth? And i thought let's do it anyway! It's a good story. Alan can share some insights from Jacques and we can talk about that inner earth thing

53:39 and I'm happy with it. I think Alan made for a great guest, and it's also Christmas week! Why shouldn't we celebrate Juan's story and the relief and closure that he got during the process of this documentary? I think it lines up pretty nicely with a holiday such as this. It's a positive thing, and it's largely about family. And if you're interested in hearing or seeing The Shamans firsthand which is a real rarity, or if you're interested in getting a better gauge on one to see how you feel about this story I would definitely recommend the film. I like lending support and the old THC endorsement to projects that support this idea that the whole phenomenon is bigger than aliens and a flying saucer... And I hope you understand why! I'm sure you do

54:34 But that said, big thanks to Alan again and to his people for sending this to us. Again the film is called Witness of Another World I think i might have said To Another World at one point but it is Of And as Alan said if you have Amazon Prime You can watch it for free Seems like you gotta go to Amazon to hear from the shamans in more ways than one! And im sure that Just the viewer numbers are going to be a big deal for Alan's career, for his next project, for how everything is received. And if we show this production team that The Higher Side Chats is a better vehicle than some of the other shows they put Alan and Jacques on... We'll get better opportunities too! So help me help you. Gotta play the game to win. You can call me the Palpatine of podcasting I guess

55:25 No, I'm absolutely kidding there. But...I guess I should also apologize for pulling the joint session at the last second. I was pretty sick this week and had actually fallen asleep before I could post that I wasn't going to make it and then woke up after it should have started so apologies if you were waiting! We're gonna do one though the day after Christmas December 26th 7pm Pacific. I'll get that link on the site when I can Come over if you want to get involved with that. Obviously something we talked about in the Plus show actually came up on the last joint session Also for plus people I did get the bonus content page reworked all the songs are there, bonus episodes that never came out except for two plus people The Q&A shows which We should do another one of but also the joint sessions All of them are backup if you're interested in combing through them

56:25 I know 75% of people just want good interviews. They really only pay attention to the core stuff i do, which makes sense because it's the best thing I do! But I still try to throw in little extras just to show appreciation...just to sweeten the deal.... Try on other hats you get it but if you're a plus person check that bonus content page out. I'm sure you'll find something there that you might have missed or maybe wasn't on the old one now that everything is better organized And speaking of the core show, got another YouTube strike. This time for David Icke's last appearance about the Trigger and the satanic death cult that caused 9-11

57:05 It's a show that has been up there for two months but they looked it over and they think that is hate speech so I'm not surprised. We have been talking about this for a long, long time if you listen to the Hireside Chats on YouTube I wish you would stop and just get a podcast app like a normal person and plug us right on in there because that way the corporate behemoths at Google and YouTube Cannot come between us as they're trying to do in the fine print of this particular strike They told me that I should be able to continue posting But if I get another one that posting privilege will be revoked and I'll be put back in YouTube timeout again Don't really care about YouTube. I think it's kind of messed up how we give them so much power and so many content creators are

57:58 basically living or dying by what YouTube decides to do this week, and that's stupid. So as a person making a show I'm gonna continue to put it there until I can't anymore but i need you to be aware of how limited THC's life might be on YouTube and I hope that... You know? I've been creating this content for you for a long time And I just hope that maybe your loyal to that even though we don't really know each other Just because YouTube makes it slightly more difficult for you to listen, that doesn't break us apart. I mean it's Christmas guys! Come on... Also for Plus people, I did send out an email with a little video and a few steps to move old accounts into the new subscription system from this year And a lot of you did thank you so much A lot of people said well, I never have a problem with my account So I guess I don't have to do this

58:53 Well, you haven't had a problem because I've been making a manual fix for you every month since August and you just haven't noticed. And I can't keep up with it anymore so please complete those steps before you have an issue Or it's gonna take me a while to fix because I got family stuff going on for the holidays. My inbox is pretty full already, so if you got the email please do the thing! I'm one guy trying to communicate with many many people at once And as for the plus content in today's show with Alan, we talked about hidden treasure in Peru. We talked about the costs of a true underground excavation project I was just saying on a previous show that some of these things eventually...I'm like why isn't THC just saying okay? We're gonna just do this but it came up again and we talked about Anselm pre Rambla, the Taos caves in Ecuador

59:53 Juan's recurring and prophetic dreams, deeper insights from Jacques Vallée about the contact experience. More details about contact experiences in Juan's case Differences in interpretation here in the US versus South America My favorite detail from the Plus show Apparently real UFO artifacts just on display in an obscure Argentinian UFO museum And the icing on the cake, we talked about these six months of indigenous rituals that Alan participated in during the making of his first film, Humano. So another plus podcast packed with conspiratorial and paranormal goodness and I hope you come along for the ride!

1:00:38 Sign up for Plus, I could use you. And you could use me! I guess maybe... But big thanks to Alan, great stuff and hope your intrigued but that is it for now. Joint session in just a couple of days two more shows coming out before the end of the year Enjoy Christmas try to find common ground with your friends and family in time of chaos and conflict Try to nurture your real-world human interactions in an era of digital middlemen for pretty much everything, and just have a good time. Take a break from your troubles, take a break from the old 9 to 5, spread some love! And with that I'm getting outta here. You're all the best!

1:01:20 A couple more shows coming at you and then it's off to 2020. I've done my part, your move etheric entities Amazonian shamans and craft captains of the greater cosmos... You're fucking- Woke up this morning with light in my eye And then realized it was dark outside It was like coming down from the sky I don't know who or what Must be those strangers that come every night Whose saucers shaped light put people uptight Leave blue-green footprints that glow in the dark

1:02:25 I hope they get home Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along? I won't do anything wrong Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along the high side Woke up this morning

1:03:05 I was feeling quite weird, I had flies in my beard My toothpaste was smeared I opened my window they'd written my name Said so long we'll see you again Hey Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along? I won't do anything wrong Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along the higher side Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along

1:04:09 I won't do anything wrong Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along the high side?