Topic: Saturnian Symbolism

The host and guest discuss the prevalence of Saturnian symbols in modern culture, including corporate logos, the black cube, and judicial robes. Mathison suggests that while these symbols are real, they are often used by "elite" groups who apply "spiritual kung fu" for selfish or oppressive ends, similar to the "Cobra Kai" school of karate. He acknowledges that these groups may be tapping into real invisible powers for control.

The hosts examine the symbolism of graduation caps and mortar boards, linking them to Masonic "squaring the circle" and Saturnian references. Crow argues that the education system is designed to teach people how to function within a system without ever understanding the system itself. He urges listeners to wake up to these deceptions and begin saying "no" to various forms of institutional control.