Topic: Jeff Turner

Researcher Douglas Hawes joins the show to discuss his work on occult secret societies and his primary source, Jeff Turner. Turner is described as a Santa Cruz resident living on disability who claims to track cult priestesses and KGB agents. Hawes details their meeting in 1987 at a messianic Jewish congregation and the beginning of their long-term association.

The discussion turns to the documentary "I Think We're Alone Now," which follows Jeff Turner and another fan's obsession with the pop singer Tiffany. Hawes critiques the film for portraying Turner as a lonely outcast and argues that the relationship between Turner and Tiffany is more complex than the "stalker" narrative suggests. He hints at deeper conspiracy tie-ins involving the singer.

Hawes reveals that Jeff Turner will appear in an Adult Swim show titled "Hot Package," a spoof of celebrity news programs. Greg Carlwood thanks Hawes for the interview and discusses the possibility of future segments featuring Turner or Peter Moon. The interview concludes with a final exchange of thanks between the hosts and the guest.

Following the interview, Greg and Jake discuss the lack of concrete evidence for Jeff Turner's claims, noting the "disconnect" between Turner's stories and Peter Moon's account of their relationship. They describe Turner as lucid but acknowledge that his information is largely anecdotal. The hosts debate whether the lack of other sources for the "Kronos" story makes it more likely to be fabricated.