Topic: David Shoemaker

The discussion transitions to the study of Thelema and practical magic, referencing previous guests like Lon Milo DuQuette and Simon Parks. Dr. David Shoemaker is introduced as a clinical psychologist and high-ranking member of the OTO and AA who specializes in Jungian psychotherapy. The host notes that the segment will focus on the practical application of magical vocabulary and the differences between various occult organizations.

Dr. David Shoemaker describes his transition from a scientifically oriented atheist to an esoteric practitioner through the works of Carl Jung. He explains how Jung’s exploration of mythology and the collective unconscious led him to Israel Regardie’s "The Middle Pillar," which bridges Qabalistic psychology with Jungian concepts. This intersection of magic and psychology became the foundation for his clinical and spiritual career.