• 1:12:48 - 1:15:29
Lance Baker & Mat Dragonstone | Reiki, Talismans, & The Pleiades Pendulum Set
Service to Others, Shamanic Healing, and Occult Critics
The host defends the practice of magic against critics, highlighting that both guests use their skills for the service of others through healing and personal insight. He notes that Gordon White's "Rune Soup" community was built on this principle of service. The segment argues that those who see through the "veil" often develop modalities to help people solve real-world problems rather than just satisfying their own egos.