Topic: China Lake

Miller recounts his time as the Northwest Regional Director for Mankind Research Unlimited (MRU), where he investigated paranormal phenomena at China Lake and Groom Lake. He describes testing a mysterious artifact found in the Florida Everglades that was ten times harder than diamond. The object exhibited electrophoretic properties, allowing it to collapse under impact and slowly return to its original shape.

The hosts explore the possibility that the Charleston, West Virginia area was a testing ground for MK Ultra. Colvin notes that Charles Manson grew up in the same neighborhood and suggests that local "genius" programs were used to identify subjects for psychological operations. He mentions local ties to the China Lake facility and NSA listening stations in the state.