Whitney Webb | One Nation Under Blackmail, Big Tech, & Agenda 2030

00:00 These days, so many podcast hosts just riff through unprepared segments until they get to the next ad break for pills they know nothing about cheap razors and whatever else they can get a buck from. But The Hiresite Chats does it differently We succeed or fail on the quality of the content and your desire to hear more of it. So you're about to hear another free first hour episode that's here to prove that two-hour shows are worth subscribing for! Five shows a month for just $8

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01:36 Serenity now Hireside Chatters from sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood and when you acknowledge that certain cold and calculated people will stop at nothing to accomplish their goals the level of corruption and deceit we have in the world shouldn't be so surprising. And when campaign contributions, fundraisers and handshakes aren't enough you'll find bribery blackmail and shakedowns. Because there is a level of the game we just don't usually see hidden behind the flag waving patriots and cackling talk show hosts where organized crime intelligence networks billionaire philanthropists in the world of finance are so tightly interwoven and effective that even those who would carry out any proverbial justice are already under their thumb

02:17 It's a sad situation that has eroded confidence in government beyond repair for those who see it and has made it hard to take seriously fellow citizens who don't. But, in the internet age we do have independent journalists doing the dirty work the legacy media has failed to do and one of those we couldn't do without is The Great Whitney Webb. She's been here twice before, taking us through her research that spiraled out from an investigation of the infamous Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, her father Robert Maxwell and more. But now she has put this research into a impressive two-volume set titled One Nation Under Blackmail that clocks in at almost 500 pages apiece and gives the term deep dive new meaning

02:57 You can find a slew of other articles, podcasts and videos on her website unlimitedhangout.com as well but it is great to have her back the covert crime ring chronicler justice seeking journalist and Epstein Network investigator extraordinaire Whitney welcome back Hey Greg it's great to be here thanks for having me that's quite an introduction thank you I try, and I do appreciate you coming back. I know the interview requests never stopped coming in, but you were kind enough to come here when you didn't have a whole lot to promote besides some free articles you'd written and now that you do have this really well done two volume set of books published by Trine Day for people who remember Chris Milligan being here. And I just wanted to make sure we could do it again so that we can help make these bad boys best sellers!

03:47 Oh, thanks. Well you know... They're gonna be available soon and like a ebook an audiobook and stuff like that. And to be honest, you know book sales are great I mean I did put a lot of time and effort blood sweat in tears into the book You know because it was pretty intense cuz I have two young children and I was the only adult in the house For all part of the time this book was going on so it was pretty intense But what I care about is that people read it To be honest more than my part of the royalties or whatever Because I mean It was a lot of work. There's a lot of detail in here and even though we're going to be talking for two hours today, there is so much that we're not going to be able to get into because like you said it's basically 1,000 page book when you're counting citations and stuff like that and source documents and stuff. So it is pretty extensive

04:38 But I think it's a really important, I guess crash course in true government corruption that is going to lead people hopefully to have very important and necessary discussions about what's going on in the US and in the world right now. More specifically, what I mean by that is you know i'm trying to document extensive government and intelligence crimes basically showing that organized crime runs the U.S to a significant degree and that you can't tell where organized crime ends if intelligence begins anymore and it's been that way for some time so there needs to be a major investigation

05:16 that has subpoena power and all that stuff. But what do you do when the government isn't capable of investigating itself? And that's the discussion I think, you know, the US really needs to have. Yes well said it is quite a catch 22 but the books are great A Serious One-Two Punch that belongs in the corruption section of any home library! I expect a lot of other people have a corruption section in their library like I do but But it really is great. You probably name over a thousand names in this thing, the indexes are huge and the two volumes are somewhat chronological but how would you describe them for the people who want to know what stuff is in what volume? Okay yeah so its 2 volumes The Bulk of the Epstein-Golan Maxwell-Leslie Wexner Materials Volume Two

06:04 The reason it's two volumes is because in order to really understand the information I'm putting forth in volume 2, which you know you can read as a standalone book. I would assume but you're going to be missing a lot of the context And so what I'm showing in volume one is that context. And basically, what I'm trying to do is situate Epstein and history and this particular network because it's a network that enabled and protected Epstein crimes for a number of years. And that network not only continues to exist after his death but it precedes his entry into this world by decades So, you know it's important to really flesh that out. So basically the two books together is roughly a hundred year history which is why as I mentioned there are a lot of names in the index but I'm covering a lot of ground here or at least attempting too so volume one is basically a crash course and organized crime intelligence and sexual blackmail in the United States and how those elements are woven out most of the well-known political scandals in modern US history

07:08 and how it has, you know basically informed our present today and where Jeffrey Epstein fits into that. There probably will at some point be an unofficial volume three its own separate book about the contents of chapters 16 & 17 which is dealing with Epstein's relationship with the Clinton White House and also his relationship with Southern Air Transport in the 90s during this same period he was meeting with the Clinton White House Since publishing the book, my research assistant Ed Berger and I have found a lot more information so it's probably going to be its own book at some point. But there is a whole lot of material here. So basically Volume 1 opens up with a quote from an Iran-Contra whistleblower from the CIA named Bruce Hemings. He basically talks about this group

07:56 that Epstein at the time was basically a part of this group. And they were identified in Iran Contra testimony as The Enterprise, and The Enterprise has obviously changed since the way it is in the 1980s but the name basically tells you what the core of the group is about – It's a business based on illegal activity A lot of these illegal activities that have enriched this group and allowed them to accrue so much power are rackets and activities that were originally used by organized crime in their ascendancy to power in the early 20th century. And, by the time they got into bed formally with intelligence which happened around World War II things just got out of control from there on out.

08:42 Yeah there is so much context and material here that it really is just about where a person wants to dive into the story because the corruption kind of timeless in a great classic american way but. To talk about the beginning, because I didn't really want to retread a lot of the ground we've covered before. So I figured we just bounce around through some of the material that was new to me and there is plenty starting with how this network actually formed with something called Operation Underworld pretty on-the-nose code word but talk to us a little bit about that Right, so Operation Underworld took place in World War II. It was the Office of Naval Intelligence but the precursor to the CIA called the Office of Strategic Services lurking somewhere in the background and of course behind the OSS you have this weird intrigue of British intelligence officers and all this stuff who basically wanted the US to enter the war and things like that

09:41 The Office of Naval Intelligence wanted to gather intelligence from dock workers in New York City, and in order to do that they had to make an alliance with organized crime because at that point organized crime specifically what is referred to today as the National Crime Syndicate controlled that union. They actually controlled most unions in New York City because at that same point in time they basically controlled the Democratic Party in New York City Even the mayor at the time, William O'Dwyer was just up to his neck in organized crime and actually was given an ambassadorship to Mexico by Harry Truman to avoid being prosecuted for his organized crime connections and criminal activity. His top right-hand man actually ended up taking a fall after that ambassadorship took place but this is all you know that's New York At the time Operation Underworld takes place it's allegedly to prevent German saboteurs from

10:33 attacking ships at that particular dock. But the concerns about saboteurs were actually a talking point from British intelligence and weren't necessarily accurate, so it's basically manufacturing the pretext to make this alliance with organized crime and you know it leads to a very cozy relationship. You end up having several organized criminals who were locked up at that point deported to places like Italy, you know this is the Italian mafia we're talking about in that particular case. And a lot of them were instrumental in wartime efforts to land in Sicily or conduct other operations in Italy and what have you so this alliance very quickly expanded beyond New York stocks and for anyone that's a student of CIA covert operations in the periods after the CIA was formed in the late 40s it

11:26 it becomes pretty apparent, especially if you're looking at things like the JFK assassination or the efforts to overthrow Castro or The Bay of Pigs and all this stuff. You have a lot of organized crime elements in there specifically on CIA assassination teams and things like that in the 50s and 60s. And these type of alliances really expand in a considerable way from Operation Underworld, but it seems like that formal alliance started there when it comes to intelligence. Now if you look at the FBI for example as an intelligence agency technically has always more or less been a domestic intelligence agency It is the top law enforcement I guess body in the country more or less

12:06 But at this point, it had already been compromised through the sexual blackmail of its first director. It was director until I guess like the 70s or so J Edgar Hoover was sexually blackmailed by organized crime and that's allegedly the reason why he never went after organized crime why he was FBI director and he was actually very much in bed with people who were intimately linked up with organized crime who I detail in the book people like Louis Rosensteil and Roy Cohn. So J Edgar Hoover, after he was blackmailed himself ended up being involved in some sexual blackmail operations that were happening domestically specifically one that involved both Conan and Rosensteel and was allegedly linked to the McCarthy Red Scare era in all of that in which Roy Cohn was publicly very involved as well so there was a lot of you know intrigue there

13:00 way, way back. And these types of tactics have really continued through the years so what I'm trying to show in volume one is the continuity of these types of patterns of behavior sexual blackmail being a major one and how this particular network has engaged that activity over the years and how really a lot of key players that I am highlighting in the book end up ultimately interconnected and that includes a continuation until we get to Jeffrey Epstein Right on yet you definitely make a pretty ironclad case for this continuation of organized crime and government in this cozy relationship i heard you say another interview that because of this intertwining that sprawled out of operation underworld,

13:43 pretty much any mob arrests after the 1940s and 50s was just eliminating competition. And that is a pretty scary thought because I think a lot of us know there's corruption, but they will sometimes justice is served just in the name of justice. But to think there's always this ulterior motive and that they have even more carte blanche to act with impunity without competition when you sit with that it's kind of intense Yeah, well I mean...I think that's definitely true. Look for example at recent cases against some of the biggest banks in the world for money laundering for drug cartels like HSBC nothing happened to them you know what i mean?

14:25 When there's arrests for things like that, for drug trafficking, for sex trafficking whatever almost always it's small fish. Yeah For sure or people who are competing with the people that are on the top at this point I would say that its intelligence that basically dominates drug trafficking arms trafficking The illegal type stuff today And it's really been that way for some time because, you know these agencies view that type of illicit revenue as essential to financing their operations. Specifically operations they don't want to have to ask congressional approval for and that's how things like Iran-Contra started

15:04 Iran-Contra started basically because Congress said, we're going to allow you to provide humanitarian assistance but not lethal assistance so the Contras in Nicaragua and Bill Casey was like fuck that I'm gonna find a way to make this work without having to ask you for permission. And that's essentially what Iran-Contra allegedly would sort of led do it but you could really argue that particular network around Casey was interested in doing this type of stuff well before Great points and not that it's hard for the CIA to set up their own networks and fronts But it's even easier if you're in bed with the criminal underworld who has developed these trafficking processes And systems, and then you just say well We're gonna arrest a guy here knock off a guy there study how they do things and just slowly infiltrate and take over the whole game

15:53 And knowing the Operation Underworld context does add a lot of clarity to what the CIA seems to have become. Just gangsters, essentially. But in terms of Epstein and his inner circle I did learn a lot more about Leslie Wexner and Victoria's Secret infrastructure and this pipeline of models And there are definitely some details there that I'd like the audience to hear, but you have said that you think the establishment is fairly content with The Spotlight being on the sex trafficking stuff because it overshadows Epstein's financial crimes. Yeah So let's go where they don't want us and what can you tell people about those financial crimes that they haven't heard nearly as much about?

16:36 Okay, so Jeffrey Epstein is a financial criminal just as much as he was a sex criminal. And so what you're referring to is the fact that mainstream media when they talk about Jeffrey Epstein they only talk about his sex crimes from 2000 to roughly 2006 and that's it and pretty much everything else is off limits. I mean, maybe they'll give a little bit of lip service to the relationship that Jeffrey Epstein had some sort of relationship with Bill Clinton and Bill Gates but they won't really get into the meat and potatoes of what that relationship is because if they did it would basically mean the end of the Gates Foundation and the Clinton Foundation which Jeffrey Epstein appeared to have

17:12 either set up or played a major role in depending on which foundation you're talking about. But in the case of both Clinton and Gates, for example, Epstein's relationship with them actually goes back to the 1990s contrary to mainstream media narratives and The reason they won't get into what Epstein was doing in the 90s Or the 1980s is because it was by enlarge financial crimes Maybe with some dabbling and sex trafficking at that point, and sex blackmail. But really by the time you get into the 2000s is when that starts to take over And thats why the focus isn't on Epstein before then

17:49 I mean this is a guy that was born in like the 60s and so to ignore all of the previous decades of his career is very significant. And also, too, ignore the stuff that happened after his first arrest like his apparent role in the collapse of Bear Stearns which had a role in 2008 financial crisis unexplored by mainstream media his role in advising Elon Musk companies later on and his relationship with Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia, among other things. You know all of this is completely unexplored by mainstream media and I don't really think that's a coincidence So, talking about financial crimes. It's important to look at I guess an overview of the history of Epstein and I'll just try and keep it pretty brief. Obviously if you want all the minute details of it, you can read my books so

18:36 Most people are familiar with the fact that Jeffrey Epstein was a math teacher at the Dalton School in New York, right? In the late 70s. Having been hired to that position by William Barr's father Donald Barr at a time when William Barr was already working for the CIA so after that he gets hired at Bear Stearns by Alan Greenberg who is a top guy at Bear Stearns and just a couple of years later after bringing Epstein into the bank becomes the top guy at Bear Stearns During this period of time where Epstein is at Bear Stearns, he has a very meteoric rise and basically starts advising their top clients about esoteric markets as the term and also tax issues. He basically is their top tax evasion expert it seems like for their wealthiest clients It's also worth noting that during this period of time the top legal counsel to Bear Stearns' Bill Casey

19:34 who in 1981, January 1981 becomes director of the CIA. Around the same time that Casey becomes director of the CIA there is an SEC investigation into insider trading involving Edgar Bronfman I talk about the Bronfmans a lot in the book and both volumes 1 & 2 But basically it seems like Edgar Brompton was one of these wealthy clients that Epstein was advising. The SEC was tipped off that Epstein had information about the insider trading and basically right after, I can't remember if its right after or before interviewing with the SEC...I think its after he leaves Bear Stearns

20:12 I think, and I argue in the book that Epstein pretty much had to go to protect the big kahuna at Bear Stearns. That was his close mentor Alan Greenberg who's CEO of Bear Stearns at the time because if Epstein was caught doing stuff with the top clientele it probably would have led to the top or caused major headaches for the bank And I also think it's very interesting that you have this Bill Casey legal relationship because this happens just a month or two after Casey leaves his role as Bear Stearns' top legal counsel. And he is CIA director and obviously, he would have entrusted his legal clients to someone he trusted and it's possible even that person whoever it was had consulted Casey about that because by the time that Epstein leaves Bear Stearns

20:56 He starts to orbit around people that are involved in the genesis of Iran-Contra, which of course Bill Casey is basically setting up. One of these people is Adnan Khashoggi and at the same time Jeffrey Epstein takes on Adnan Khashoggi as a client two other people take on Adnan Khashoggi as a client one of these people is Roy Cohn who's very intimately involved with these networks particularly the organized crime side of things and a sexual blackmailer The other person is Robert Keith Gray. Robert Keith Gray and Roy Cohn worked very closely with Bill Casey in Reagan's 1980 campaign, so it's just interesting to see this mix of characters around someone like Adnan Khashoggi at the time that Adnan Khashoggi is putting into motion what later becomes known as Iran-Contra

21:39 which is illegal arms trafficking and illegal drug trafficking, paramilitary training arming paramilitaries around the world. Not just in Nicaragua covertly that's essentially what Iran-Contra is more or less a misnomer for Going back a second, Robert Keith Gray is also a sex blackmailer very tied to intelligence in this particular network we're talking about that involves a mix of CIA operatives, OSS veterans organized crime people. People who straddle both of those worlds and also Israeli intelligence and UK intelligence to an extent as well

22:17 So, sorry this is taking longer than I had thought. He's in this world with Ednan Kishogi and during this time Epstein describes what he's doing to friends as a financial bounty hunter. He saying that he is hiding away looted funds and also finding looted funds all for powerful people Okay, so if he's around Adnan Khashoggi at this time engaging in that type of activity and other powerful people doing that type of work. He obviously has a very intimate understanding of the offshore banking system and where people would hide massive amounts of money they have looted from The Powerful or looted from other places they want to hide away It's most likely because of the Adnan Khashoggi connection. Adnan Khashoggi main bank during this period is BCCI

23:08 Stephen Hoffenberg, who died recently confirmed to a journalist that I have a professional relation with that he did have a relationship with BCCI. So that's pretty significant BCCI for people that don't know is the Bank of Credit and Commerce International but it was basically in a private intelligence apparatus masquerading as a bank it was involved arms trafficking, money laundering. You know pretty much everything we've been talking about here on an industrial scale it was nominally set up by you know people tied to Pakistani intelligence but there's definitely CIA fingerprints all over the origins of BCCI as well and you know it's really used by a transnational mafia of organized crime intelligence linked people before its collapse in 1991

23:56 And it seems like a lot of people that made use of BCCI, made subsequent financial networks as BCCI was collapsing in the early 90s that basically were meant to replace BCCI. Which is you know I'll be getting into that in the book right after this because there's a lot of history to dig up here so you know I can only do so much at a time But after that financial bounty hunter period where, by his own admission, Epstein is helping at least on some occasions hide looted money for powerful people. He's an accessory to financial crimes. He teams up not only with Leslie Wexner in this period

24:33 We can get into how that happens, but basically it happens around the time that Leslie Wexner's tax attorney is shot in the face because of major tax issues right before he's about to testify to the IRS and then Epstein comes in to fix all the tax issues. What do you know? But aside from that, he also teams up with Stephen Hoffenberg around this same period and with Stephen Hoffenberg constructs what is one of the biggest Ponzi schemes in US history Towers Financial instead of being held accountable for that crime. Steven Hoffenberg takes the entire fall for that crime and Epstein's name is dropped from the case. The same time he's dropped from the case, Epstein starts going around some of the most controversial fundraisers in the history of the Clinton crime family

25:12 the first formal association he has really with the White House. Well, the first meeting is with Robert Rubin but we'll leave that out for a second but the other two meetings in 1993 are around this donor reception and this fundraiser supposedly for The White House Historical Society But it's very suspect you have people intimately involved in BCCI involved an offshore banking organized crime companies in The Bahamas all sorts of crazy stuff at this supposed fundraiser Epstein there as well And it makes an appearance in Vince Foster's suicide note, quote unquote suicide note. Which is very alarming to see that there and I explain why it isn't the book and all the other intrigue around Vince Foster's death which you know he was officially called a suicide but there is ample evidence to doubt that was the case so

26:03 That's essentially Epstein's first formal involvement with the Clinton family. And then he pops up again in what is remembered as Chinagate, sometimes remembered as the campaign finance scandal of 1996. Epstein was involved in that as well because the person who he's meeting most frequently with at The White House in this period is a man named Mark Middleton who also died under very suspicious circumstances relatively recently and Mark Middleton was at the center of this particular scandal in 1996 and so scandalous it was that it was George W. Bush, not the Clintons that stepped in to hide documents from Congress about Mark Middleton a couple weeks before 9-11 in 2001. So you're having the Bush family step into protect someone who is nominally an aide to who was then as senior advisor to the president of the previous administration blocking those documents from going to Congress so it's big enough that the Bush family is covering for the Clinton family

27:00 And, you know the types of stuff that Bush and Clintons collaborate with them together. You know that's stuff like Mina Arkansas and you know that type of I mean I'm assuming your audience is familiar enough with these types of terms to not have to define exactly what I mean by that but basically Iran-Contra was something that involved the Clinton family, it involved the Bush family. It involved US intelligence and Israeli intelligence and a lot of very powerful actors that involve organized crime, it involves drug quartels. And it's not just Iran-Contra you have Iron Contra BCCI and the promise software scandal essentially being the same giant scandal taking place at the same time right? Yeah! So a lot of the actors in those worlds

27:44 pop up in the 90s. But basically, you know that's Epstein trajectory and that's before the sex crimes right? And around the same time he is in a part we're allowed to talk about, he publicly going around with Bill Clinton after Bill Clinton leaves office and setting up the Clinton Foundation with Bill Clinton and the Clinton Health Access Initiative. He designing Bill Clinton's quote unquote philanthropic HIV AIDS program that later collaborates massively with The Gates Foundation And he's also involved in the Gates Foundation before 2011, like mainstream media likes to claim. I mean there is UK articles in their mainstream media from 2001 saying Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Gates had business links that preceded 2001 and that Jeffrey Epstein made most of his money with Leslie Wexner Donald Trump and Bill Gates. Wow! The mainstream media won't touch it Yeah yeah They're like oh its 2011 when they first met I mean... It's a joke

28:41 It is and all not another joke is that ebstein has often presented as like a buffoon that he talked to strong game about the financial stuff but that anybody who spent time with them could tell you was bullshitting and that there was all cover story i think that might be mainly from one of the wine sting brothers talks about meeting them in. He kind of gave that impression. But Weinstein, who's employed by Peter Thiel who created Palantir with the exact people my book is about? Yeah. So yeah. So I don't really know if I trust Eric Weinstein because Eric Weinstein before he was famous for like, I don't know going on podcasts and stuff and

29:22 I don't know, wasn't it his brother that was famous first Brett Weinstein because of some university issue at the university he was teaching at? Yeah. Some woke student uprising type of thing. Yeah so Eric Weinstein was involved in finance stuff. I think he was involved with...I can't remember exactly what it is now but as some sort of financial entity. He was a finance guy. So why was he going to meet with Epstein and what was it like 2004 2002 somewhere in that ballpark? Oh dicey dicey He was going to talk about finances. Right? And from what I understand, if you listen to Eric Weinstein talk about Epstein he doesn't really...he leaves out a lot like he doesn't..He just says, I knew this guy was an op and all this stuff but he doesn't really talk about why he was going to meet Epstein what they talked about. Yeah

30:08 I don't really trust the guy, mainly because if you're working for Peter Thiel, I don't trust you at all. Palantir is a CIA front company and it's one of the most dangerous CIA front companies in existence and it's basically the successor to the weaponized stolen version of promise that I mentioned earlier. And well, the link between that is a company created by Christine Maxwell and this guy at the CIA who later becomes the point man at the CIA for the creation of Palantir with Peter Thiel and in the mix there are Iran contra criminals like John Poindexter you have Richard Pearl

30:43 one of the ARC neocons who has a very huge conflict of interest when it comes to selling out U.S national security to Israel, like repeatedly and repeatedly and repeatedly over his career also in the mix with Peter Thiel and Peter Thiel co-invests with Epstein and Ehud Barak in a very Orwellian company that's taking over all the 911 call systems in the US? Why can't Eric Weinstein talk about that? Oh man I love I love it. He blocked me on Twitter, and you can guess why? I can guess why man but hey let the truth be known and it does seem pretty clear that Epstein was very talented with financial fuckery and structuring things advantageously for individuals and

31:26 It's really eye opening that he was so instrumental in setting up the Clinton Foundation, knowing how much influence they have. That he created the kind of African AIDS program that both The Clinton Foundation and Gates Foundation contributed to. And then Bill Gates, he had that home IT engineer got caught with a giant collection of child videotapes that are pretty unsavory and And it was child rape videos. Yeah, there you go. Well let's call a spade a spade and Mark Middleton That was a big thread that I learned about in the book. I hadn't really heard the name mentioned, but he was definitely involved in 15 of the 17 visits of Epstein's to the White House when Clinton was president and he is the guy who as you say, he was recently found dead. He was found hanging from an electrical cord with a shotgun blast to the chest, I believe? Yeah, he apparently hung himself and shot himself in the chest with a shotgun at the same time on an NGO tied to The Clinton Foundation makes perfect sense. Right. As you do.

32:26 for people listening. And so last time we did talk a good amount about the Maxwell sisters and the Promise Software scandal, and just how they seem to also be now a new generation involved in big tech and government software and the CTI league which you know if you look up the CTI League they say their mission is defending and neutralizing cyber security threats and vulnerabilities to the life-saving sectors. Well, that sounds like eliminating competition once again. You want to be the only one—you want have the monopoly on cybersecurity and violations of it."

33:04 But you also mentioned Elon Musk, and he does get a couple of name drops in the book. But in terms of Epstein & Tech—another sector that I don't hear about nearly as much as the sex trafficking stuff—this is a great paragraph and it hits on a lot of this. In 2019 Epstein claims to be advising Tesla and Elon Musk who had been previously photographed with Epstein's alleged madam Galeen Maxwell. Epstein had also attended a dinner hosted by LinkedIn's Reid Hoffman where Musk had allegedly introduced Epstein to Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook meta, Google's

33:42 Sergey Brin is known to have attended a dinner hosted by Epstein at his New York residence, where Donald Trump was also in attendance. In addition, Ghislaine Maxwell was reportedly close to Amazon's Jeff Bezos who she referred to as her pal and who invited Maxwell to exclusive events he hosted. Several of these companies whose founders had some Epstein-Maxwell connection include Google, Microsoft, SpaceX and Amazon are also major contractors to the U.S. government, the military and or intelligence community." I mean that is scary because that is like everybody on the bingo card you know everybody that you could capture is captured in that paragraph at least mentioned as touching up against this network I mean that's all of tech

34:29 Yeah, well I mentioned i'm doing a third book at some point it's going to completely intersect with the genesis of what is today referred to as Silicon Valley. A lot of the crazy stuff going on in the 90s, specifically with this network. The enterprise they basically engaged in wholesale tech transfer to the US's ostensible adversaries in a huge way and this intimately involves Silicon Valley you see whispers of this with what Robert Maxwell was doing before he died in a program called NAVA where it was Soviet intelligence they had all these people in Silicon Valley then at the time

35:08 that were basically sending top US tech over there. And then this NAVA program, all these umbrella companies that Maxwell controlled in Bulgaria and other states would repackage it and resell it. I mean there's people all over this... It's going to take me time to flesh it out but you have the top people at IBM a top company of this era called Silicon Graphics that later gets sold to HP But all of these guys, including with Epstein are all over this stuff in a really weird way. I don't want to get too into it now because I hope they don't scrub everything on it before I can write the book about it now that I've mentioned what's to be looked at but there is hints of this already in the book even though I didn't get to get absolutely everything about it but there's obviously a lot more to be done there. If you look at just something like The Edge Foundation

36:06 Epstein basically made that his personal front in 1999 until I think, oh, I forget the year but several you know more than a decade later. And he's basically funding it entirely almost all of their donations come from him and some years he's the only donor and it's hosting these events called The Billionaires Dinner and all the top people at Silicon Valley are there every year. Not to say that everyone involved with Edge, Eric Weinstein was involved with edge by the way but not to say that everyone involved in Edge is necessarily. connected to Epstein or a pedo or any of that stuff. That's not what I'm saying, yeah? What I'm saying is Epstein used it as an influence operation and that's probably how he got really close to a lot of prominent people in big tech and a lot of prominent people in the sciences because that was a big focus and that's also a big focus that's been unexplored by mainstream media. The narrative you brought up earlier that Epstein was just incompetent and was a good talker sure he was probably charismatic but if he was so charismatic he wouldn't have needed Ghislaine Maxwell. Ghislaine Maxwell was the charisma

37:06 And it's very evident that Epstein was basically taking over for Robert Maxwell in a lot of ways when it came to this network, in terms of the types of activities he was engaging in. To write it all off as incompetence... I mean there is a lot of stuff I air out and the book has been open source. It's not hard to find if you look for it but mainstream media won't touch it about Epstein at all Talking again about the Clinton White House stuff, I mean mainstream media has maintained from the beginning that Epstein and Clinton didn't have a relationship or didn't know each other at all until Clinton left office. Last December The Daily Mail in the UK publishes White House visitor logs that show what people thought was five visits to the White House by Epstein in the Clinton era it was actually 17

37:52 and then showed picture of Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell shaking Bill Clinton's hand in 1993, and mainstream media in the US does not cover it at all. Why is that? Right. They won't touch... I mean they have to keep it so limited because Epstein is one of those threads that if you pull on a lot of other stuff gets aired out that they don't want to be aired out. It's true. Particularly in today's day and age, I mean if you're looking what's going on in the world right now, The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation plays a very central role to a lot of stuff that's going on right now And so does, well now the Clinton Foundation's basically back with the Clinton Global Initiative relaunching for the first time since Hillary Clinton's failed presidential campaign and is pushing really hard for the implementation of the SDGs. Also for Wall Street banks to combine with the IMF and The World Bank won't that be fun? So you know these people are still very much around and I think we do ourself in

38:48 Injustice if we're just focusing on some of the sex crimes of Epstein as I know in the book there's actually two parallel sex trafficking operations going on at the same time. And they're very different and you're only talking about one of them in the mainstream narrative right right and the other 1. Let's just talk about it because it is kind of interesting. I've heard you mention this before, It's more of the lure that these women can be helped in their careers and then they're married off to people within the network? Yeah yeah so that lure you were mentioning for both operations The same lure was used promises of help promises of modeling with Victoria's Secret and all this type of stuff

39:35 But some of the people that were lured in were chosen for what you just mentioned. They were educated, like their education was paid for by Epstein or Epstein hired them to some highly-paid position they may not have deserved or some sort of thing like that and then they They do engage in, in the case of someone like Melanie Walker for example they do engage in apparent sex blackmail activities with people like Prince Andrew and then they end up becoming the girlfriends or wives of The Elite. And those women have a very different opinion of Epstein than the victims that we're all familiar with. They love him even now and it's very bizarre to read what I mean that's just like night and day

40:16 They really feel like Epstein helped them and they think he's just the greatest man on the planet. One example would be Frances Hardeen, a lot of these women actually accompanied Epstein on his White House visits to the Clinton White House oddly enough But I mean, Frances Hardeen is one of them. She's born in South Africa. She was married off to this oil trader that's definitely a part of this network called John Dois who also had a very big presence in Bermuda notably where one of Epstein mentors Douglas Lease had a major business presence as well and Frances Hardeen when she was asked about Epstein earlier this year just fawned over him. The statement's nuts! I reproduce it full on the book It's just totally mental

41:02 When you consider what everything that's been known and covered in the mainstream media, she still like I love the guy. Yeah You know it's far so there are several women like this and they've played key roles in the operation but they're on a different tier It's like an elite tier And then you have the girls that were exploited and abused and trashed basically on the other side, which is what everyone knows about. But you have this development of basically sophisticated intelligence assets that are all these very attractive women that are basically married off to the powerful. It's bizarre to say the least but these women don't get talked about in mainstream media at all it's because they're influential and they're married to powerful people, very powerful people

41:44 Right, right. Man there's just so many different avenues to go down but I wanted to step back to kind of the sustainable development goals stuff and tech and by extension energy which of course you've said is Bill Gates next big grift And that is where things are going! You are working on a series now for the website about the UN Sustainable Development Goals and in it SDGs are policies cloaked in the language of utopia that, in practice will only benefit the economic elite and entrench their power. Well help us understand their real motivation here how they're going to profit from these goals? Okay so if you read the book what you're going to realize is that there have been a series of insane financial crimes perpetrated against the American public over and over again

42:34 And these are basically huge wealth transfers to the elite, right? COVID, the COVID economic response and the lockdowns and all of that is the most recent one. But I mean this happened in 2008 it happened in 2001 In different parts of the world It happened throughout the 1990's and then in 1980's This particular network of intelligence and organized crime stole $6 billion dollars in 1980's money from the savings and loans industry. And used that money to basically take over corporate America So At some point, they can't loot anymore. Obviously looting is unsustainable at this scale over time so the financial system because of that I mean these are people that involve some of the biggest banks in the world right? There's a lot of very powerful financial elites involved in this right? They can't keep doing this forever The economy is going to collapse and people are going to be angry They want to avoid what happened in 2008

43:34 In 2008, you have people like Henry Paulson saying to Congress bail out the banks or we're going to declare martial law and basically make a dictatorship. Why? So people don't demand that the bankers are held accountable. I mean, Henry Paulson was before he was Secretary of the Treasury at top Goldman Sachs guy right So you know they don't want to deal with that again so we're seeing this major effort to now move to a new economic system based around the central bank digital currency and programmable money. And in order to basically moved to this financial system people have to be sold narrative, they have to be sold something you know about what this new system is going to be and that it's going to be better. And they are selling it as sustainable development and as I know in the series with Ian Davis who's my co-author on it he was really great and I would encourage you to check out at iandavis.com thats Ian spelled the British way so I A I N

44:32 We basically point out the, well we've only really covered two. There's 17 sustainable development goals and if you heard the term agenda 2030 thrown around they're the same thing it's The 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development and the core of that are the 17 sustainable development goals so the first piece were talking about We're basically talking about SDG 17, which is partnership for the goals or strengthening the implementation of the goals through I forget exactly what it is. Something like strengthening the global partnership, which is a global public private partnership. It's a stakeholder capitalist model, which if you're familiar with The World Economic Forum and Klaus Schwab and all of that, you'll probably know what that means but it's basically more or less emerging of the public and private sectors.

45:22 Roughly speaking. So that's really what set the core of the SGDs, it's that stakeholder capitalism taking over the world. They're selling it as sustainable development because people most people think of sustainable development in particular terms and those are different than the way the UN and the people running the show here think of it basically the UN is using sustainability and sustainable synonyms for transformative and transformation they are not the same thing The whole point of the SDGs is to transform our world, that's what they say. And it's not the same as sustainable development as what they think basically what they say is if we don't implement the SGDs

46:06 things down the line, theoretically per them will be so bad that we can ignore all this other stuff. And we have to implement the stuff as laid out by this global public private partnership right now because it's so urgent you don't have time to think about it. Mm hmm. And I mean there's really so much to get into when we're talking about this but like I said earlier I mentioned this effort to sort of merge Wall Street with the IMF and The World Bank That's coming technically from the UN because one of the bodies implementing all of these SGGs, you have GFANS, The Glasgow Financial Alliance for Net Zero. It's co-chaired by Mark Carney a central banker and Michael Bloomberg an oligarch of the United States who I mean if you look into his history there is no way that this guy is like a good guy but trust him now they say so

47:01 The Glasgow Financial Alliance for Net Zero basically wants to turn the IMF and World Bank, no longer have it be a financial weapon of US empire which US military documents say they are by the way. They want it to be the financial weapon of the members of GFANS, which includes organizations like BlackRock, HSBC Bank Of America. I mean the biggest banks in the world basically and it's going to be their financial weapon and it's going to be used basically following the same debt slavery model to have countries implement the SDGs. So, SDG 17 says that this global partnership needs to establish macroeconomic stability as a prerequisite to all the other SDGs which by the way most people think that SDGs are about climate change only one of them deals with climate there's 17 of them only one deals with climate yeah it's about transforming every part of our lives from the most intimate to the most distant

47:57 in terms of most intimate, I mean they want to control family planning and stuff like that. Very intimate decisions being given to this top-down control system but when you're Going back to GFANs and SGG17, this macroeconomic stability stuff. The way the UN even defines it is not what most people think macroeconomic stability is I mean just like how they've redefined sustainable development they've redefined macroeconomics stability you know before it used to mean like a good economic growth at maximum employment low inflation no no that's not what it means to the UN anymore when they say it What they mean is

48:35 having enough what they call fiscal space to implement the SDGs. And then they don't even have a firm definition for what fiscal space is? They basically say it's the sustainable debt load, basically necessary to implement the SDGs. So it's the space that you have to make in your budget to implement the SDGs but for most countries it's going to be debt. It's going to be taking on more debt and even The World Bank has admitted... Basically I'm paraphrasing because I don't have it in front of me but you're welcome to look at my article they say debt is a critical form of financing for the Sustainable Development Goals they are going to entrap

49:12 you know, developing nations particularly in debt to make them implement the SDGs whether they want to or not because they're saying it's a global imperative. So a lot of these countries that are in the UN or that have signed on to Agenda 2030 or were signed on by previous government they're going to have to implement and they're gonna had to take on loads of debt which means cutting other services, austerity for everything else. And here comes the global transformation and it's bankers running the show. It's bankers that she's behind this Mark Carney and Michael Bloomberg are the people that you unpicked for their climate envoys basically I forget their exact titles but Michael Bloomberg is something like the UN envoy for Climate Ambition and Solutions. And I think Mark Carney is something about like climate financing or

50:00 or something like that. These are the people they've picked to run the show, right? By the way what I mentioned earlier about HSBC and getting caught money laundering for drug cartels one of the guys that covered that up was Mark Carney now he's in charge but trust him he cares about the planet so does Mike Bloomberg they care about the planet don't worry about it i mean it's just it's a joke it's a sick joke And no one's really looking behind the curtain here because sustainable development sounds nice and all of the little like phrase descriptors of each SDG sound nice, and things like we can get behind right? Like No Poverty. No Hunger. Health Care for Everyone. Protect The Environment you know okay so most people aren't going to be against that stuff but what people don't realize is that behind each SDG there's already a mechanism or entity

50:47 behind that, a public-private partnership in most cases. That's already deciding how to implement that or is already implementing it depending on the SDG you're talking about. I'm doing a piece right now for the series that's not up yet, but it's on the supposed SDG 14 which is supposedly about ocean conservation This of course was actually the SDG that Ghislaine Maxwell attempted to attach herself through Terramar Yeah! But yeah... So basically what's going here is It's the financialization of the oceans. It's a giant land grab And a lot of the stuff that they're doing in terms of what I mentioned earlier about debt financing for all of this, the way to pay back debt when these countries are drowning in debt and can't pay it back. It's already there. It's the age old debt for land swap but they've renamed it Debt For Climate Swap or Debt For Conservation Swap and The Nature Conservancy which

51:47 I mentioned Henry Paulson a second ago. He was chairman of the board of that for several years, and only recently he's moved on but that's the type of people who run The Nature Conservancy They did a pilot program with the government of Belize for a debt-for-conservation swap for the ocean. And it turns out there's all these new financial products that these UN backed entities are pitching as a way to implement SUG14, and it's just like a new casino for big banks and insurance companies And what it's going to do is it's going to end small-scale subsistence fishing in the third world, which is a major form of food for many coastal communities and the developing world.

52:30 I mean, it's egregious. And basically if they can't finance their debt for the other SDGs they're going to have to do a debt-for-land swap or a debt-for-conservation swap where someone else becomes owner of that land and becomes the supposed steward to conserve it. This network at the same time has developed something called natural asset corporations which are lying in wait to manage these resources where they're financializing the natural world and charging you for its services. And they become owners of everything, so as an example I live in Chile in South America, I live near the Andes So maybe some mining companies here and there own mineral rights to certain parts of the Andes but you can't sell the Andes But natural asset corporations now that they're here They can own the Andes and license it to you

53:24 And if you want to build a strip mine in the Andes, even though it's the natural asset corporation is there to conserve and manage it. And you just have to negotiate the license with the corporation and you can do whatever you want as long as you offset it somehow and negotiate it with the company. Yeah, so it's a giant way to enable business-as usual but create an insane new economy that is going to allow, you know, the central banks in the big banks to go on forever in this crazy casino economy they've built while the rest of us are basically living in a neo feudal reality that is enforced by technology so we can never again challenge our servitude. That's what the SDGs are about in a nutshell." Man, what a great summary! You really crushed all these little notes I had here. Yeah, Ghislaine Maxwell being involved in the non-profit TerraMar which was related to trying to save the oceans...I mean that was a preview of a little bit of this stuff

54:24 and the natural asset companies just opening up this new market that is the natural world. And your section on green traps is really great, listeners might remember they'd have to go way back in the archive but I interviewed John Perkins once who wrote Confessions of an Economic Hitman and this is like The Economic Hitman Playbook 2.0. The IMF makes these countries take loans they can't repay then they're like well what can you give us? It used to be a vote on the UN or something, according to John Perkins. Or opening up resources really it was that too like let us control your water systems or let us put in some oil fields over here but now it is like a land grab as you say and yeah it's so wild. But the difference now right? Is what they're trying to do instead of

55:14 the US being the top guy at the IMF, right? Or U.S. Empire or the Anglo-American empire whatever being the top guy at the IMF and basically wielding it as literally what the US military admits in leaked documents is a weapon of unconventional warfare financial weapon Wall street the banks you can argue control that empire yeah so they're taking the middleman out now they're gonna have direct control if she fans gets their way and it seems like they're going to i mean at the clinton global initiative recently. You had Larry Fink of BlackRock say, if we want to get serious about transforming the world. We have to reimagine the charter of The World Bank and IMF I mean these guys are serious and they're going to do it and it's gonna be a disaster It's gonna be disaster because basically The developing world is where a lot of the mineral resources these guys need for their electric vehicles and all that stuff are

56:09 the lithium, the cobalt. That's where I live and that is also in Africa to a significant degree and they're going to turn this whole thing into a giant strip mine." they've already said, actually a lot of the same people promoting the SDGs and climate change. People like Bill Gates for example, they have a company called Cobalt Metals K-O bold metals and they basically say we need all the deposits of cobalt in lithium on the planet to have the electrical vehicle revolution so they're using AI imaging like geo satellite imaging or whatever use AI to determine where all those deposits are and take it

56:47 So green, right? So green. Yeah well it's not green if you live close to a mine mines literally destroy the water they destroy the land I mean you can't do anything with land...I mean as i understand it in Canada I saw in, forget where the other day but it was a picture of an area in Canada that was strip-mined and they're like you can't use it for anything. They use it to test lunar rovers because it's basically like the moon nothing can live there anymore and they're dressing up this agenda as saving the planet It's total inversion of what its really going to do

57:24 Yeah, and consumers are really bad at seeing all the steps in the chain. They just get a pat on the head for having an electric car And they're like well it's not oil It's like yeah You really have no idea The damage that's done to get you that car and then also The fact that most of our electricity is from coal anyway, and then these batteries end up in landfills and there they're not recyclable you know, some of the minerals like most of the cobalt mines in the world use child labor. Yeah as with the cell phone supplies Man, it's really rough. And so I know you got to get out of here soon before we start really wrapping up. I just also wanted to ask you about Kevin Spacey now he doesn't come up in the book but there is that picture of him and Galane sitting on the Queen's throne and laughing. He does come up in the book. Oh yeah? Tell us what you know about spacey just because he seems to have more connections than your average actor who gets in hot water

58:22 all of his accusers ended up dead and he was never prosecuted. Yeah, I didn't get into Kevin Spacey's I mentioned it briefly, like a couple sentences about how he's been accused on multiple years. I didn't mention that many of his accusers have died under suspicious circumstances but basically it's all part of this trip to Africa where Clinton and Epstein are basically setting up the Clinton Health Access Initiative and the Clinton Foundation going on this Africa tour and Kevin Spacey is there and Chris Tucker is there right? Those are like the celebrities on the plane And then after, I believe that trip ended in the UK and that's when Prince Andrew who wasn't on the flights but he you know obviously involved with these people and he arranged for them to visit the palace. That's whenever that picture was taken

59:11 Interesting yeah maybe learn some dirt on that trip but it seems like he went to the network and was like look you let me go down for this shit and you know it's not gonna be clean for you either. And they cleaned up his mess is massive certainly cleaned up any put out those weird threatening videos around christmas in character of frank underwood weird shit yeah I mean I didn't really follow that but I mean, A lot of people, especially when they become powerful or they become celebrities a lot of weird stuff starts to take place. And the ones that are more nefarious I guess you could say start to realize that they can get away with a lot if their in with the right people ya know? Right

59:53 Well, it's a tangled web and you do a really great no pun intended but you do a really great job. All right Everyone makes the pun these days it's fine I'm used to it. I'm sure that one was totally accidental. It has been going on since like 4 or 5 so... I believe it as a new dad I guess I just had to make a dad joke it just kind of came naturally but yeah Either way, you are a perfect example of just how much of a difference one person can make if they really want to dedicate themselves. To something to some segment of this whole thing? Of course and you know, you didn't go to journalism school You just decided to do it and that's a beautiful thing I hope other people take that advice but of course the two volumes are

1:00:33 They're going to be out by the time this interview is out, but One Nation Under Blackmail Volume 1 and 2. Anyone who appreciates what you do and or appreciates what Chris Milligan does at Trine Day publishing these incredible books... I mean now anyone listening can support both of you by picking these up! And i think that's great too happy to see you guys linked up but what else would you add about getting the book? What's next for you before I cut you loose Alright, so I would really recommend if you want to support Chris especially that you order if your in the continental US through Trine Day directly by going to their website trineday.com

1:01:09 If you go there, you can order both books as a bundle. It's significantly cheaper than buying both books separately and you will get volume 2 before the official release date if you buy it that way I actually think also if you buy both books separately on Trinda You also get volume two before the release date Volume one is already out actually so that's probably the best way to do it. If you don't want to spend the money on two books, the e-book and audio book which should be coming out either next month or the subsequent month are going to be volumes one and two together so that's probably the most cost effective way. And if you're not in the continental US we're working with a European printer and distributor to try and lower the costs because international shipping is quite high and there are some

1:01:56 retailers in the UK who have, it seems like they're carrying the book like hive.co.uk seems to have it but It's a little complicated because international shipping has gotten really expensive in the past even just the past several months but really over the past couple years I mean that's obviously jumped a lot so you know if that's inconvenient for people again I would mention that there is going to be an audiobook and ebook. And you can order through Amazon if you'd like or the bookseller of your choice but you're gonna get the books a little later than most people except for volume 1, because it's already out. But volume 2 has a release date of October 22nd so if you order through Amazon you won't get volume two until that day but if you ordered through Trinidad you'll get in a couple days from now

1:02:40 Right on. Yes, order from Trine Day not from Jeff Bezos I mean come on people be smarter than that but hey it's gonna be out in every form just in time for Christmas so don't sleep on it people and Whitney this has been awesome thanks again for taking the time and keep up the great work! Thanks so much Well well well clearly great to have one of the most respected and well-spoken independent journalists of a generation back for magic number three how about it? No doubt she has amazing recall for her work and the relationships that she tracks within the Enterprise network. She clearly has an aptitude for it, even though she didn't go to journalism school Again it just shows what a person with some motivation and dedication can do Anyone can choose to master a subject write about it and speak out about it

1:03:34 Obviously, we do need action as well and for some things like food forest abundance we have people like Jim Gale out there working on a practical solution. But there's a lot more education needed before we can overcome a lot of our challenges and I'm glad Whitney has applied herself to that though the question does still remain how do we get out of this when a captured government is unable to investigate itself? It's easy to say just lock them up or wipe the slate clean and rebuild. But what does that even look like? It's obviously easier said than done because when you really think it through, how many people would die in the chaos between going from point A to point B even if we come out better on the other side

1:04:20 Although sometimes I do feel like it's the same old script, generation after generation where young people think that they can and will change things only to give up in their 40s and just say that it's always going to be corrupt forever. And then people's 50s and 60s they just vote for the lesser of two evils if they haven't just given up on even that. Then the next idealistic generation tries to highlight our issues until they lose steam rinse and repeat But really, this World Economic Forum stuff and this UN Sustainable Development Goals stuff does sound a little different. It seems to me like it is an ambitious level jump into individualized control. The tech is finally catching up to their psychopathic dream scenarios and its concerning because how many people are ignorant of it or even cheering on it?

1:05:15 The Parallel Society plan does seem like the best approach. We can't keep a bunch of idiots from following along, but we can network ourselves and make sure that when one of us gets kicked out of the mainstream, we have a pretty good stream of our own going with resources and support that softens the fall or in an ideal world even puts people in a better situation once they realize they don't need to be in that mainstream What threat is it to get kicked out of a party when there's a better party happening outside? And they are going for the money with people like Whitney and eventually myself, I'm sure. Alex Jones just got fined $1 billion if you believe that he's not still just playing a part but it's so important that this work be supported

1:06:04 We also had this recent story with PayPal and their new policy to just take $2,500 from people's accounts if it was determined that they spread misinformation. Thankfully they did get a big counter reaction and they backtracked but I'm sure they'll keep pushing! And Patreon kicking off Whitney & James Corbett? I don't like that You want to kick off someone like Owen Benjamin? I don't really care. The guy drops slurs all the time, so i understand a company not wanting to be involved in all that To each their own really! I'm not saying I endorse a deplatforming of Owen Benjamin He's just an example...I'm totally neutral but I use him as an example because I can't really argue against it when he makes it so difficult to want to do business with his content

1:06:52 But James and Whitney are just serious journalists who always maintain professionalism. To me, deplatforming either one of them is so much worse. The Hireside Chats does have a Patreon but it is very small part of my business and I encourage everyone to sign up through the website but some people just won't do that Now that its been made clear that Patreon has gone over-the-line with some our favorites maybe more people will make that conversion Because Patreon survives on taking a cut from their creators, so if you pay me on their platform you are paying them too. I would love to see a Patreon competitor come along that plants the flag of free speech but we don't really have that yet maybe Substack is close i know Rockfin tries to get me to join once or twice a year but i don't want to be paid in Rockfin coin

1:07:48 But I am glad that she's got the books out. I'm glad she published with Trine Day, and i hope it's a bestseller! My role is to highlight people who do good interesting work and try to give them the best showing on the biggest platform that I can manage It's not the most important link in the chain but it's not nothing So big thanks to Whitney. If you pick up her books from Trynda, mention THC and we can stay top of mind when new stuff from the best publisher of suppressed books comes out! That is always much more important than some iTunes review or any other thing really And I'm totally looking forward to her SDG series

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1:10:14 And as for the latest and greatest meetups on the calendar at highersidemeetups.com, on October 22nd we have lunch with Des Moines Hireside Chatters at the Merrill Hay Mall Food Court in Des Moines Also on October 22nd, the second London THC drinks at The Lamb in downtown London On October 23rd a Meet Up in New York City Central Park! That should be fun And then October 29th, the Philadelphia Clark Park Meetup in Clark Park, Philadelphia. And that will get us through the month of October! Good times with open minds and feel free to make your own local event if you care to meet THC listeners that are in your area but that is it another one bites the dust three shows in the can for october and two to go

1:11:09 I think this next one's gonna be pretty popular too. It is quite wild and... Wild has been popular lately! So, I will see you then that is it for me big thanks again to Whitney I wish her the best of luck with the new book she has worked very hard I checked Trine Day's website It IS available now You get a discount for buying volume 1 & 2 together And of course digital and audio books are on the way But take care of you and yours. I've done my part, your move Enterprising elite operation underground operators and agents of the Blackmail Nation Network Your fucking moon Get through the gate downtown Walking fast Security pass And i'm homebound Yeah well that was a plan but I got flagged Gagged in my hands Now im screwed Im so screwed

1:12:21 But I still won If i could stall Get past these guys Those documents Would expose the lie Cause I know they've got thousand files If I could just break Tonight, disease So many coups Bluebeam too and more concerns

1:13:02 I was close to the prize but now these guys are wiping clean my precious memo Now i'm screwed, i'm so screwed But I still want If I could stall Get past these guys Those documents Would expose the lie Cause I know they've got thousand files if I could just

1:13:43 Tonight I, I just wanted to know. I just wanted to see. I don't want to let this go. I, I don't get through the gate downtown walking fast security pass and i'm homebound yeah well that was the plan but i got flagged in my hands

1:14:38 Now I'm screwed, I'm so screwed But I still want If i could stall Get past these guys Those documents Would expose the lie Cause I know they've got files in files If I could just, if I could just Tonight

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