Whistleblower “Grey” | Bloodline Families, Eclipse Rituals, Project Monarch, & The GATE Program Conspiracy

00:00 Hello, dear listeners. It's been at least a good year since I felt an interview would benefit from me saying something at the top but this one is a bit unique. The vast majority of interviews I do are with researchers and authors but this is one of the rare enough occasions where we have someone with a personal story claiming whistleblower status on things that are so deep that they're a little hard to vet and it's also one of the rare instances where we're not going to do the usual edit People know that around here we put a little extra effort into taking out the ums and ah's, you knows and pauses. And the talking over each other and taking a second to find a resource whatever it is. It makes this show easier to listen to 90% of the time but when you have a guest who has claims of ritual trauma and abuse in their childhood being brought into work in Project Monarch and a few other things that are big claims

00:54 I think there are nuances that help listeners assess credibility that would be lost with our typical edit. He talks so fast it would be hard to do anyway, but there are certain things you might expect from someone making the claims he makes and i just don't want to alter it and affect anyone's ability to make up their own mind organically It wouldn't even need much because he's a very fluid speaker, but I would be asking myself How would i expect a person with some kind of extreme trauma to speak or someone with military intelligence experience? Do they use the language and terminology of someone from that world and several other things it all contributes To trying to assess what you're about to get into And that said let's just get into it planets puppet masters almost sure

01:48 There's clearly maybe something there beyond the until early tested last closed chested mole. The less we really do, where would we go without TA? Cause we know they're lying to us just don't know DA! The higher sidechats show all wood and company

02:35 Race yourself people from the Sunshine State. I'm Greg Carlwood and the more we learn about the research done into the brain from mapping it and sending inorganic signals in the lab to sleep studies, even cybernetics The further back it seems to go and the more the intention always seemed to be weaponization, mind control and developing various behavior altering techniques. As we know MKUltra was a large umbrella officially involving over 85 institutions going back at least to 1940s in the very foundations of CIA with offshoots like Project Bluebird, Artichoke, MkNaomi & Mkoften

03:12 These programs utilized electroshock, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, involuntary drugging, verbal and sexual abuse and other forms of torture that were sometimes even labeled as therapy. Some would even say that the seemingly less nefarious research into consciousness remote viewing astral travel in altered states was very much entwined with MKUltra and the overall goal of cracking the codes of the mental safe of man. Well, today is going to be quite a ride as we're talking with a semi-anonymous whistleblower on such things who says that due to being born into a well connected family he was put through many aspects of satanic ritual abuse and more specifically Saturnian necromancy

03:53 used in the infamous Project Monarch and even prepared as a vessel for a Moonchild 2.0 type of ritual at a secret facility in the Andirondack Mountains He had very little memory of his childhood until it all came back on and shortly after, his 25th birthday. And through trying to understand his personal experiences better, it has led him to do some very high-level research on these sorts of programs in general including the CIA connected scouting done through the Gifted and Talented Education or GATE program that swept the nation through most of our childhoods Disturbingly, now in the internet age many people who were brought into these programs as children are forming online communities sharing their stories and realizing that having little to no memory of what went on in these programs is shockingly common. Our guest now works to educate the ignorant and find the others affected through the reporting database he created organizedsafety.org And you can be found on Twitter under grayareamonarch as well as most of the other major platforms

04:55 This is definitely not one for the faint of heart, but let's get it going. The monarch whistleblower, Saturnian necromancy survivor and crimes against humanity highlighter Gray, welcome to The Higher Side. Thank you for having me. Yeah man this is gonna be intense and thanks for doing it I happened to come across your Twitter profile and just sort of fell down your rabbit hole And I really don't know what to think Your personal story is super wild and we could spend two hours just talking about that But even if your personal story is too much for some people, you've compiled a huge amount of research and knowledge about these programs in general that doesn't even depend on your personal story because we have declassified documents, testimonies and all sorts of evidence to go on. So I hope we can weave back and forth. And just to set this up, I want to give some of the bullet points to your story as I understand them in the interest of getting deeper into all this without you having to go over things you've talked about many times

05:51 So as the story goes, your grandfather was tapped by the OSS during World War II because he was a NASCAR mechanic and logger. A combination of skills that helped navigate difficult terrain in the Adirondacks where they have underground missile silos and other facilities following paperclip and the start of MKUltra, he enrolled his his own sons in the behavior modification and enhanced development programs, and eventually his grandchildren including yourself. You were raised Jehovah's Witness because they have strict rules about interacting with others outside of the network that is convenient for them. You had a family tragedy which had you being raised by another family in the network of multi-generational morticians and Saturnian Necromancers there is trauma and conditioning along the way but what's interesting

06:40 that you were intentionally born two weeks late so your birthday would be May 10th, the same as your mother and grandmother. You were then prepared to be used in a ritual at one of these facilities in the Adirondack Mountains on your eighth birthday, May 10th 1994 which many might remember as a big solar eclipse event I was in grade school we made the boxes it was a big thing I have a memory of it and It's also a strange fact that on this day Jeffrey Dahmer was baptized in prison and John Wayne Gacy was executed, which you've suggested was strategically planned to try to draw down

07:20 some being or energy that day through the eclipse. Also on May 7th, 1994 NASA's Clementine probe which was sent to map the moon was lost and gone forever in an uncanny similarity to the song we know NASA likes their rituals And that was also probably most likely part of the eclipse ritual in some way. And I know I'm glossing over a lot of important context, but can we talk about this Moonchild 2.0 sacrificial divination ritual as you call it? The Dresden Codex Black Mountain and the events of that day what the hell happened there? Yeah so... You know people that are in these programs

08:06 and go through scripts, you know. And you'll hear some in the context of like Wizard of Oz Alice in Wonderland so on and so forth. This doesn't mean that they're shown the movie and told it's a movie and just told lies like, they will kind of be immersed in it almost as if they are part of it. These scripts are tailored to them individually Eric Sonia in fashion like Eric Sony and hip hypnotherapy, where it will kind of be partially created by the subject and go along with their psyche because if you're trying to go against the grain on the person's going to be, you know just refuting it and naturally pushing it away. And part of this is really have them accept it and bond to an anchor into their psyche.

08:43 So, in the manner of such was done to me utilizing the birthdays that were generational and then kind of going into going into some of this known lore and ritual schedules on that. for example, the Mayans used which is the same practice from the Mayans high level Freemasonry whether you're going back to Babylonian blasphemy or you're going to Egyptian mystery. It's kind of the same recipe. You might have different themed nomenclature but it's the same thing So, as such in the Dresden Codex which is a well-known Mayan codex. Yeah you say it's the oldest document from the precolonial Americas that we have it's like a tablet of sorts and it has hieroglyphs on it

09:38 rituals on it, divination calendars and the location of rain gods. And this is called the Dresden Codex in this event took place in Dresden County New York I understand odd synchronicity there this yeah games with words and names as always in play numbers as well but yes so this is an example of The Network looking for an ancient document that contains magical information that they can utilize in modern times. And just for people who didn't know what the Dresden Codex was, there it is but yeah sorry continue Yes, exactly and essentially you know what this was it was more of the same And you know people may have seen like apocalypto or be roughly familiar with the mind sacrifices at the eclipse right? Well they'll have someone up on the pyramid You know and essentially right there stabbing them in heart pulling out their heart things like this now In reality

10:33 what I had experienced and what this is based on is the Abraham, perhaps if you go according to the satanic ritual abuse nomenclature would be the Abraham ritual. But what's really happening here is, you know, you have someone that's prepared that has went through a series of near death experiences that were induced when they were young to essentially get used to going out-of-body because someone has one out-of-body experience or one year death experience it will kind of consume them and can be a lot But, you know some of these practitioners put themselves through this series of times to get used to it so then they can navigate. So the idea behind this was through ritually induced trauma, it was to force a near death experience and out of body of experience at the eclipse and, you know fun fact about

11:17 In May 1919, Einstein's theory of general relativity was given credence because they could measurably note the displacement of stars around the eclipse. So there was some bending of space-time so the idea behind this was essentially these are the civilizations these entities, the consciousness this energy is purported to actually bounce a signal from their location off the sun. And then it is essentially essentially, you know transferred through the properties of solar eclipse quicker to receive so an out-of-body near death experience was forced through ritual trauma at this eclipse and I was instructed to Essentially what you would call astral project into the eclipse Which is something that people in these certain communities actually highly advise against natural projection during enclipses And so on and so forth. Um, but so uh You know this happened and um, you know it was inexperienced So, you know it was a

12:14 and conduit, you know for communication with these entities that they purport to commune with. You know and I like to say whether people believe in this or not um you take a little kid you know some kids believe in Santa Claus ,you know well if you raise a child and give him hallucinogens essentially, you know tell him that he's communing with spirits and getting instructions. You know the placebo effect at the very least will take hold and you'll have a hell of a little kid on your hands right? So anyways yes this event happened in out-of-body experience into the eclipse some interesting contact that was traumatic and has taken the greater part of my life to I think unravel and understand the implications but nevertheless

13:13 Well, that is really the big question is what motivates them. A lot of times you can talk about abuse of children sometimes it is just a power dynamic. It is just a taboo pushing the limits of everything because you're a billionaire and why the hell not? I'm going to exercise my power in the worst way as just evil depraved psychopathic shit but this seems like there was more of a intelligence motivation there like they're trying to gain knowledge from whatever this is that they are using you as a prepared vessel for and i just think some of these other details are really interesting the jeffrey dahmer thing john wayne gacy thing, that's legit i mean i looked it up i don't know why they're taking one serial killer and baptizing him in another one and executing them on the same day at the eclipse

14:04 The NASA thing, Clementine. I mean here you have a probe going to the moon. The moon is obviously involved in the eclipse it goes lost And it's like the damn song lost and gone forever my darling Clementine. Yeah, there's just so much weird stuff going on it does seem like it's all like a script. Yes So I mean and you know trauma bonding at these events aside right um yes There's a script and you know uh A lot of people would describe these ritualists as cosmic fishermen, if you will. And they know the exact place that they're fishing and they know the type of fish that they want to catch. These types of things are in text in documents. That's why their lured and these cosmic fishermen may take a bug or worm, they make wrap certain twine on it and put bugs wings on top of a worm and try to make it look like a certain lure to attract a certain fish. Well akin to that, they were kind of crafting

15:00 different elements here to attract the fish that they wanted, the big fish. Right? And and kind of put these things together as sort of a lure if you will in attempting to commune with right with the big fish I guess, you know, as they see it Yeah, I think that is a great analogy cosmic fishermen yeah They might have a whole lot of knowledge about the waters that they're fishing in but you got to get the fish to bite and in this case The fish is some arconic, cosmic demonic energy out there I guess. Shamash right? This eclipse if you want to go do it it's many different names across many different generations but Adad and Shamash being kind of the ritual that we're dealing with a Amash, Shamash being comparable to sun face in the Mayan or Incan or whatever

15:55 kind of theme, but which is kind of like the sun god, the sun face things like this. That's what they're reporting and if I may about Clementine see it originally was called DSPSE which is the Deep Space Program Science Experiment and it was Livermore Laboratory Naval Research Laboratory BDMO which that is the successor not just NASA BDMO that is the successor to Star Wars program and Star Wars is infamous for funneling black budget funds to other programs and there was actually a big scandal over it on once Cheney took office. And you know, I'm not the first one to say things about this Star Wars program for example Paul Bonacci who's known from the Franklin Scandal so on and so forth has been quite outspoken about that Star Wars was essentially brainwashing children to be spies in Monarch with split personalities and if

16:48 Basically they access sensitive information within that was, you know partitioned off in their psyche right through the disassociation compartmentalized right which is kind of the underlying reasoning for the dissociation and compartmentalization. Other than the conducive dissociative trance states. So the kind of reasoning was if they access unauthorized information internally or disclose unauthorized information externally, it triggers an automatic post-hypnotic suggestion that will cause one to flash back with no context some of these more out there elements. And then it will confuse their disclosure. For example, if I start talking about specific trafficking that was ran under intelligence agencies managed through the clandestine services and like some

17:33 the next thing I'm talking about aliens and eclipses right in communing with spirits on though you know it is significantly muddies the water so you know it's it works on many levels. Is there some reality to it, perhaps do you think that going back a few years ago? all of this hoodoo voodoo talk is about nothing or is there perhaps a method to the madness? I mean, that's for people to decide. To me it's irrelevant because I think it's indisputable at this point with the bulk of knowledge that's out there and the bulk of testimony that's kind of collaborating from sources that don't even know each other so I think it's important uh to separate things here you know whether this is known or that's known whether this is true or that's true well perhaps an experience happened

18:16 deliberately muddy the waters, to deliberately confabulate or confuse on the disclosure. Or perhaps there is actually something to it at the same time and these people do commune with spirits I mean what's going back? Is it the same practices all the way going back to Babylonian times than before to Assyrian to Akkadian You know, I mean you know it would seem so if you follow the different religions and different documents and kind of look at the commonalities over time. Yes, true that. And what I like about your presentations is you often include old clips from like 60 minutes or 2020 back in the nineties and they're talking about some of this brain research obviously they're not saying everything and it doesn't sound as nefarious on 60 minutes but

19:14 But they're telling people things that they didn't expect them to be able to piece together with the internet. You know, in the internet age you can take those old clips there wasn't even DVR yet. You know, imagine what you're able to compile now? You're like no, they were doing this in the eighties because here's this clip from a mainstream news show and you put it all together and it becomes quite clear and I think that's an interesting aspect to what you've done and continue to do on your YouTube channel. But, I've also heard you say that oftentimes what we call black magic is really just black neuroscience. And that's super interesting talk to us about some of this neuroscience as you understand it

19:57 Yeah, absolutely. You know it's you can demystify essentially we're talking about the highest order of unethical behavioral neuroscience applied right? You know applied neuroscience. It's just there are certain methods if you ring the bell when you're feeding the dog and then you feed the dog and eventually the dogs start salivating just when its hearing the bell knowing its coming conditioning reinforcement condition stimuli response sequences Well, it's the same thing with the child unfortunately and the younger the better. And that's apart from the fact that some of this weird trauma will elicit what's known as dissociation which is a mental defense okay? That comes into play on that kind of when there's no fight there's no flight and you're just stuck fawning is not working so on and so forth. You can really separate in go out of body but at the same time there's specific ways to do this and

20:53 magic if you will, for example the lesser key of Solomon these different seals. They're included in the recipe if you will is different stimuli for each of the five senses including light and sound frequencies that are aligned to this same frequency. Is it to attract something or I compare it to 5 pin master key locks right? Well each of those five senses adjusts the pin and unlocks a certain part of the mind and it kind of affects on certain things. And like, just like with clinical hypnosis if you get someone deep, deep, deep into a hypnotized state they can be more suggestible and you might be able to change some deeply ingrained habits whether they want to stop smoking right or you want to conquer a fear well it's the same thing if you really break someone down and not just in clinical hypnosis but through trauma and torture um get them in this disassociated state well if you really deeply understand neuroscience you might

21:46 carefully crafted individualized scripts, Ericksonian style that also kind of utilize neuro-linguistic protocol which is all tailored into these age old occult stories. That's what this is. Essentially you can have that master key to different areas of the brain and affect functioning and just really it's all about positive disintegration which interrupting the brain's integration of a naturally developing child and just shattering it even further, just into pieces. Which you then assemble carefully into structure of perhaps your design is why they call themselves architects because what they're doing as designers occult pathworking and these true ritualists in these people that practice this age old some of this you won't even see in text This has passed down akin to invisible college And these stories and tales are told

22:39 in a fashion that utilizes mnemonics, right? So you can even pass these down to a child and have them remembering. At the same time though what's really happening is it's affecting development and occult path working into what the ultimate goal for these ritualists, these pedo-cultists is what I call them which is apotheosis. These people are looking to break themselves down then build themselves up to become a God. They want to reach godhood and just all these little parts, you know they believe hey if I put myself through the worst through the best if I ultimately embarrass myself if I ultimately de-sense myself with every single emotion then I can master these emotions just like some people if they have a near death experience or out of body experience it shakes them to the core well these are the type of people that do this repeatedly

23:29 to gain mastery over it and be able to handle themselves in all situations. And this is really why it goes hand-in-hand, even going way back um to the dynasties of age old where they would have their seers they would have this you know essentially these people are mastering elements of the human mind and spirit and just that's what they look to gain over this is mastery of oneself and faculties And, and you know it's it goes hand in hand because you know if you have say a spy once they reach adulthood like if they don't have any experience in the field. What are they going to do around, you know horrible scene with dead bodies what are they going to do about or if they have to, you know get into some sick sexual thing that's not their preference as a means to an end in order to you know honeypotter gain access to an asset or pull those strings so

24:16 you know, really introducing someone and initiating them with different aspects to condition them and to build them up so they can best conduct themselves and handle the situation. So it's just... It's really essentially conditioning in training and again on a deep neurological level where there are no qualms here about unethical methods. It's all about the end justifying the means here. And in your video breaking down that May 10th event, you go into a lot of detail about the facility built in 1911 decommissioned and 88. It was active for 77 years. That seems like a significant number

25:02 It's on land that was gifted, I believe from the grant was given from the queen. It's 88 acres of land and this is up in like the Finger Lakes area we hear a lot of weird stuff about the finger lakes talk to us about just the area in general what you know about it? You've shown pictures of these silos sure they had a purpose when people were scared of nuclear war but they've been repurposed and used for other things clearly talked to us about the area Yeah, so I mean the area is well known and you know as you mentioned the not the Black Mountain itself although the Black Mountain is a seventh highest in the region. And it is on the oldest type of land in the world to like that landmass for whatever is like some of the oldest and I don't know exactly how they quantify that but like going up where it isn't some

25:51 So as you said, the land grant was actually from my next door neighbors that I grew up to what which was a part of this order. All right, this nameless order that involved some people from the dragon societies that came in through paperclip but also some of these Jesuit Malta societies are they that you know came in through OSS CIA that my grandfather was linked up with and he got with. And so the Van Dusan had this place called 88 a land grant from the queen was also a botanical gar you know, they would have which is essential ingred like the zombie drug if that kind of like a mind

26:33 of itself that is known for being used in South America to essentially give people to rob them you can give them the right dosage which you have to be very careful. But if you give them right doses, essentially put some in a transfer they're very suggestible people get them to empty out their bank accounts so and so forth gives him horrible breath that's why it's also known as devil's breath. But just are known for harvesting a and what you will um for of this black magic and t because, you know my gener came into play here well who also run Van Dusen's Botanical Garden in Canada, if I may which is a huge place that was involved with MKUltra. But the Van Dusens one of the family wrote a book called Astrogenetics which is essentially talking about how yours and your parents birthday affects your genetics and

27:23 And they know that like, for example you know most bureaucrats are like Geminides right or so and don't quote me on that but it's something like that. Like most professional athletes you know are this much and so on and so forth. So they really have the astrogenetics down to a science literally. Um so it's not just astrology or anything like this but they have it down to a science where they can really uh predict aspects of a person's personality and traits and genetics based on that. So it's funny that the Van Dusen put out The Astrogenetic Book Um, considering how the birthdays lined up and considering how the Van Dusen family was involved as well with this little cult. So, you know, some coincidence there, you know, we make of it what you will. Yeah man. And so we laid out that this was done because they wanted to gain insight from whatever this was their fishing in the cosmic waters. They've got this old Mayan texts that kind of talks about

28:16 the rituals and location of their gods. You could see a scenario where if you are an occultist or you have all the resources in the world, and you think the ancients had a better connection to spirits and gods, you would go on treasure hunts for these documents and then try to recreate the rituals that were described and just see what you get. Maybe you don't know who knows how many gods and spirits there really are? My understanding is they they were trying to contact something dark. You think maybe Quetzalcoatl himself, and instead it seems like they got something not so dark or you seem to interpret it in at least one area I saw that it was a being of light. Did you get the classic download experience? Was information given to you from this being that you then told to the people performing the ritual? What can you say about the content of the communication that happened there?"

29:11 So there was a very dualistic dichotomous occurrence here. So I will say, you know, I focused on the one side of it and it's funny, there's other survivors that have mentioned...I actually only know, I think, of one that really mentioned about a major event happening at Eclipse to where there was contact with the light they kind of rebuked them and this, I believe, was Jenny Hill which I haven't even read her book but 22 Faces Of Jenny Hill That was something way prior but outlined an experience that happened in Eclipse 2 where there was an interruption. But yeah, so essentially you know their belief and again You look at the mine and outlines all the different gods and stuff like this just like the lesser key of Solomon has 72 seals of lesser demons And then overseen by kind of like the lead Baal right? And so on and so forth but then you have Bael which is just a name for Lord but then also can be an individual name and going through time like Hadad, Adagadad, Ramon

30:07 You know and then different different things different cultures in Greek that would call it Zeus in Roman Jupiter And you know, then there's even overlap with Saturn and so on and so forth but uh, but so So what what really happened here? I mean, you know they wanted me to commune with this. Yes There is an extreme download and there was a download there was kind of an existing in in kind of like the crossroads of time and space to where there was a lot going on, right? Like I shoot into the clips and it's just... And you know, I had horrible experience and positive experience. There was a dichotomous but the main thing was that apparently their god that was invoked on to conduct the ritual, God,

30:58 wanting to commune through me a conduit to Shamash, which again is like the sun god or sun face. And these are the Oracles of divination like this is known if you look it up that's what this is so the Shamash essentially... The communication I received was too much to go into here but part was that it was upset with the men here and how they are carrying out and perverting age-old traditions, misusing a lot of this. And heavily rebuked them. Essentially sent back a message that they did not like and were so upset that I ended up getting the brunt end of that

31:40 And, you know unfortunately was extremely traumatized and tortured by these people to kind of suppress that information and kind of like hold that down. I came out with experience extremely damaged after that I was immediately pulled out of school. I developed twitches inside effects and I actually stopped growing when this happened. I stopped growing and didn't grow anymore until I took human growth hormone for the rest of my remainder of my childhood as a matter of fact There's been issues with the memory of my whole family from this and, you know happenstance be we received a settlement supposedly for some bad back surgery for my father at the same time and then, you know, we had moved locations there was there was a whole reshuffling of that. So yeah it wasn't it was an intense experience.

32:26 And there was a download of lots of information and they were interested in certain things. But the bottom line was that they were rebuked and scolded, and they did not like this and essentially wanted to suppress it and kind of threw me off to another sect of the program. And that's when I kinda left from The Family which would be The Believers and The Cultists just more into The Network you know which is more like the government technology and kinda operations at that point Got more out of the culty side. And then since I had that disassociative base that had already been trained, I went more into kind of like the official kind of like monarch aspect from there and that was my introduction to Marnar. Yes, yes. That's where I was going to go next so it seems like these guys went through all this effort

33:11 to line everything up at the right cosmic time there was a communication but maybe they didn't get exactly the information they were seeking they put all this energy into getting some information it seems like maybe they didn't get exactly what they wanted nothing did you know its trial and error kind of so let's talk about monarchs say this happened when you are eight Your memories come back at 25. Between these two times, in the early 2000s you're working in intelligence in the Monarch program A lot of people in the alternative community aren't even sure how literal to take the name project Monarch. We are aware this kind of stuff goes on and you say it's more than just a mind control program, it's a breeding and placement program precise getting controlled people into all sorts of positions across the country in government politics, even entertainment break this down for us what is monarch overall?

34:09 Precisely and just like MK ultra was a research umbrella with 149 known sub projects right that span the thing monarch is the umbrella, and it might as well be a catchphrase in a generalized term just like now Illuminati is just like MK Ultra is a lot of things that it might not specifically represent monarch. is simply a generational machine adjust start where the individual compartments may not even be aware of each other, but work together. You know in a synergistic fashion together they all are all amount to be the gestalt more than just the sum of the parts right. So monarch is the umbrella that covers all the same technology tradecraft we're talking about frequency warfare, frequency weaponry. Okay whether it be microwave weaponry and behavioral modification rays that adjust someone's you know behavior right there that put voices in their head that influence them micro adjustments in their brain that actually you know control

35:05 populace into some of these advanced physics and advanced propulsion systems or warp drives, or just any exotic technology. So Monarch is the umbrella that covers all of that and Monarch is the generational platform. Monarch butterflies their migration pattern takes several generations and they pass that information epigenetically onto each other and that's how that carried out. And as such, plan to where you know no It's all about the self re uses epigenetics through bloodlines are used akin

35:46 Pings pongs operations between NGOs and aerospace companies to escape Freedom of Information Act, you know to skirt limited oversight so on and so forth monarchies using family dynasties in breeding line breeding people for specific purposes. positions taking over ter Monarch would, we're talki geographical but we're all territories right? Um And personnel and everybody they are read in on monar Monarch personnel are all put through the heavy behavioral modification, not just passive but active Manchurian candidate level. And you know they will receive a variety of programming but their aptitude their specialty and perhaps what they were bred for will be focused whether they go into intelligence on whether they primarily are an actor

36:42 Then have a subsurface personality that can be tapped, you know as a spy for information. Whether they're a politician or bureaucrat or whether they are a honeypot being used there's a wide variety of personnel but the important thing is that everybody in Monarch is put through behavioral modification we're talking about like artichoke, blue bird deliberate creation of personality of multiple personalities by psychiatrists with no compartmentalized with access codes that can be activated and called up. And the subjects are not consciously aware you may even have, you know top tier special forces you know Special Missions units, You may have a variety of people that actually have a desk job at the CIA, but they are

37:26 also have an unwitting sub surface subconscious personality that can be called up as well that they are not aware of so monarch is a globalist Rand program where people are embedded in all aspects of life but specifically pertaining to covering the you know advanced technology and frequency warfare, you know areas. But yeah it's all about breeding that personnel in a self replicating machine and then placement of those personnel with door access for the globalists. The globalist only really have the, the access to that they have you know pawn out the low level conditioning of basically enabling a child abuse epidemic as a means to an end to draw subjects from right and then like they will run some of their operations in the government and manage it through the clandestine services but as far as the actual

38:17 access codes and the top level information it's tiered it's a pyramid, its hierarchical and the people outside of the government are the only ones that keep that information. And at truly have access underlying and overriding access to these assets that are spread out even though they intertwine with the government is largely ran by clandestine services and aspects of high up military intelligence again those kind of partitioned knowledge that's just enough so they can handle that part of the job and generate these assets. The true information is kept occult, and transcends governments and transcends nations through these age-old orders that have been around far before the United States—these age old orders that have been around since before everything was named what it's named in the Middle East. We're talking about the Jesuits we're talking about Malta and we're talking about these fabled dragon societies

39:07 That's a good breakdown and this gets really complicated. So I mentioned the clips that you sometimes use, there was a clip from TLC some random special in the pre-internet world where I believe it was this guy Robert Joseph White who you said is a night of Malta member and he's the guy who started this whole meme Brains kept alive in jars and of course they did take John Wayne Gacy's brain after the execution by the way maybe to see if he got a demon attached properly or something But this guy also did a monkey head transplant, which he said was successful and you can transfer personalities. And then he says to the camera is like, well what does this tell us about God and the spirit? Well I think it means that the spirit can be transferred. And so you also go into this astro genetics, this multi generational memory thing and DNA memory

40:08 I mean, there are some weird science going on here to use the movie term. But it just seems like that's kind of what this program is is like trying to find the connection between the soul or an individual consciousness and the brain. And can it be transferred from person to person? You get into some stuff that almost sounds like they're doing rituals of Immortality through using their own kids or using, I don't know clones or something. Yeah. Don't think you've ever used the word clone that I've heard, but vessels to transfer consciousness of a person who wants to go on to a younger vessel? Is this actually happening is this something they're trying but not having success with what do you think

40:54 Well yeah I mean here's the thing you know go going back to ancient times you know epic of giglamesh who was on a quest for immortality. You know what do people want out of life when you're already billionaire, you know when your multi have run a multigenerational dynasty right? Right? What do you want next?" I mean, and these people that really get involved with this. The end justifies the means of these people at the top of this that are willing to do this heinous acts they're after immortality there after transfer and now we're getting into that transhumanism phase where the technocracy like it's it's you know It's getting more of a realistic your project avatar here Russia Russia 2045 To where you know They wanted be able to transfer parts of the human brain and map it

41:37 And so if I may, like you know you have the say the Knights of Malta. You know Dr.. You know Robert Joseph white um you know he worked in the footsteps of a dr Harvey Williams Cushing Who was uh? He began the field of neurosurgery and dr. Vladimir Vladimir Nagovsky who founded resuscitation research laboratory The first one in the world and is known as the father of reanimated a lot to ology So, you know what these people will do is they'll have their guy like go into say national security and they'll say hey we have a way to resuscitate terrorists post-mortem um to try to derive information to stop future terrorist attacks or say you know they killed themselves before we get them and when didn't know where the bombs are. We essentially resuscitate them okay? We have mapped brains and we read their brainwave activity and essentially we're doing technological necromancy right is what it would be equatable too

42:30 So, you know, they'll kind of use that and then pour funding into it under the blanket of national security to exempt themselves from legality and also to, you know avoid the watchful eye of the public right. But at the same time what we really do is kind of funding advancing their own research where the true key in the true knowledge is kept a cult in these orders going way back. So what are they trying to do, you know can they do this or are they doing this. This is what they're trying to do and I mean look no further than the highest initiatives. There are people that are working on transferring and downloading their brain, and this is you know on the technological end but like a

43:09 I mean, you know and i don't advise of anybody getting into this. Of course I repuke denounce and renounce it all but if you get into some of this kind of dark black magic yes this is what these people believe they can do and its information that has been passed down and this is the lure for anybody that's climbing this ladder and kinda like the light at the end of the tunnel these people want to be able to live forever They want immortality whether this is a reality or not at the top, whether it's a reality now technologically or spiritually. Either way this is the carrot that's being dangled in front of these people that are involved and it is at least rumored and promised to initiates and people climbing this ladder as kind

43:57 You know and justifies the means so they claim yes They claim that this is something that they can do and this is something you will be rewarded with If you are successful enough, and if you are loyal enough to the cause to the order But you know it's a slippery slope. Whether you believe that or not once you start getting these acts and desensitizing yourself and stair-stepping yourself up I'm getting a taste of this power getting a taste of these occult knowledge in these secrets Right. And you don't have to believe it's possible to believe that they're trying to do it and maybe it's a lofty goal, but it seems like they are putting energy into it. That idea of bringing a terrorist back to life I think is really interesting and never really heard before, but you know with MKUltra they're experimenting on prisoners on people in the psych ward so they're looking for opportunities where can we test this?

44:49 without getting into trouble and without using ourselves. So like a terrorist is the perfect person, like hey this is bad guy he's been labeled with the T word so let's try to reanimate him oh it didn't work well let's do it 100 more times across the Middle East and all of this and its just wild but lets get into the gate program stuff these campaigns to find gifted kids across the school system and take them out of the school, away from their parents. Because the parents were told these kids were special and advanced. I mean, this is wild so i really just heard you talking about it and I went looking myself and there are Reddit groups of 1500 people all kind of talking about the same things that I was in this program And I remember shockingly little from it and that's common then its comment after comment yeah me too Yeah Me Too

45:43 Talk about this program. I know there's many offshoots, but just to call it the gate program again, Stargate what's with all the damn gates? But this was a big thing. I remember it coming through my school, but tell us about this. I mean, tell us the real objectives of this program Yeah, no absolutely and so gate whether it's a regional equivalent so on and so forth we're talking about gifted and talented education. So this was this was kind of formed under the National Defense Education Act which was a, which was a direct response on paper to Sputnik right? We essentially need to make sure that we are getting scientists up you write in the Cold War era

46:22 We have our own people advance into STEM, into the sciences technology, math everything. The curriculum is all under NSA CSS Central Security Service this is all a big funding umbrella from National Defense Education Act and then what was started was known as Project Talent and that was started by Dr Flanagan okay? And now John C Flanagan That was an aviation psychologist. He was in charge of selecting combat fighter pilots, which is something like the most strenuous right? So he put together Project Talent that's what scouts children that are then put into GATE and so on and so forth it's not just GATE they also might be under the guise of you know vocational or special needs um and then even some of this is under disciplinary but just calling it GATE as an umbrella first if they're in GATE

47:15 They're in talent. Okay, and there's different iterations of talent going throughout there and in talent everybody in talent is in something called plan program which again this is still made by john c Flanagan plan program is essentially individualized curriculum now that might mean the individualized curriculum might just be that you're in one gate class it but also might mean that hey, you are designated to skip two grades, and then you have these other classes Like it can be a lot of variants or it can be little. It's dependent, but once someone selected in talent they are put on a list for life and there is follow ups and that even on paper about talent But you know obviously they have individualized curriculum when their put into these gifted and talented educations And all these questions are kind of like covertly embedded into standardized testing Even back as far as daycare to where like the Weschler test

48:01 You know, in order to get the funding for certain daycares and certain grants that will be required to administer these testing so like it's really a systematic testing of as many people as I can across different classes in the populations to funnel people into these. And then engage you know if you're entered into the full on if they say hey this child is going Obviously it's been tested. They have a dissociative base on and so forth, then you may be funneled to a separate project that is essentially forming an army of sleepers That's what a lot of these people have been doing these globalists have formed sleepers I've been whistleblowing on this based on the hard data for over a decade And it's just now the gate stuff's just catching on But it's not just psionic testing because they have a lot of like out there testing like Stargate right? One thing we know about Stargate right

48:47 Is that it used Monroe Institute's gateway voyage, as some of the curriculum in. Well the funny thing is is that shortly after Stargate was officially shut down in 1995 right um it actually. It actually, there was gifted and talented education at concerns that came out in the paper through one of the gate equivalents called Odyssey. And basically what they described was the Monroe Gateway voyage curriculum and that people having concerns because the students information got sharded they were wondering why all their information saved on computers it was putting them through out-of-body kind of experience imagining remote viewing protocol so on and so forth

49:25 And the funny thing is that was under the Jacob Javits gifted and talented Education Act, Jacob Javits was one of the foremost authorities in MK ultra and people can look into that. The other funny thing is the person who shut down Stargate, the review was done by American Institutes for Research. Air and guess who founded the same person who found selected the students tha gate programs that went t curriculum. So it's comple the same umbrella, the sa started project talent to to enter them in these gi education acts or they'r

50:05 which were put forth from MKUltra personnel, then put them through the curriculum that was the same as being used in Stargate. And then of course they deem it as inconsequential and not actually giving any actionable intelligence so on and so forth but all the documentation says otherwise. So it's just very interesting how this is all under the same umbrella. One other thing for people to look into the father of gifted and talented education, another John, John C. Gowan. Essentially you look into his books like taxonomy of consciousness and so on and so forth he breaks down all the mystical states from the yogis to the monks in Nepal

50:44 all got transferred over into sounds more like scientif people listen to the Mon Voyage. It's going through steps, but it's got a sc on it so it sounds more d of people appreciate that it's not just about demystifying it and make it sound scientific. When you put these things into scientific terms, it kind of satiates that one hemisphere of the brain—the left brain which controls the right side is more calculated and scientific so it kind of like satiates that end and then allows the right brain which controls the left side to be more creative and do its thing otherwise what can happen is you're gonna have cross-hemispheric

51:40 kind of confabulation and you'll kind of like stop yourself from letting it happen. That's why some of these remote viewing protocols, don't, uh, you know, or don't tell you the target stuff that way it's just like you do whatever so you don't get in your own way. I'm still putting it in scientific terms even satiates the other side of the brain on to allow basically for the other hemisphere to do its job so it's not just know cross hemispheric kind of like working together but it's also making sure they don't get in the way of each other when they're working together. But yeah, so the whole gifted and talented curriculum is even based on a cult father education and it's just you know that that's really what it comes down

52:19 Obviously, there'll be a myriad of experience in that because not everybody went to the sub projects. But I mean if you go digging you will again find under Gowans books and the education and the curriculum, you know what I'm saying is checks out i guess on paper. Right? Yeah. You certainly know a lot about this stuff and you know, the names and connections and I just don't understand what the motivation would be if this wasn't driven by a personal quest to understand what you were a part of like if, if you weren't a part of this, I just don't know why a person would go this deep in the research

52:58 It seems to check out to me, but when it comes to some of the stuff I've seen with this gate program. You can find people on Tik TOK now being like, Hey, this is what happened to me Twitter all the main social media sites and they're using the hashtags so you can see the comments that are like yeah, me too. Me too. So the first thing is very common to not have much memory of it at all. But then some talk about being made to drink some sort of pink liquid and other people are like, yes now that you say pink liquid I remember that as well they talk about being hooked up to equipment that's playing a different video in each eye at different speeds

53:35 different sounds in each ear, total sensory overload. Just like you were saying the five senses, the five pins of the key they're hitting you with everything and then finding the thing that works like twisting the dial on a safe till you hear the click man it's just so wild I also read your piece behavioral modification and sensitive classified operations affecting disclosure. And you make a comment in there that they were looking for individuals less sensitive to radiation for craft retrievals and surveying areas of UFO events, we know there's a radiation element to some of that stuff even biblical angel encounters like there is a, uh

54:17 theme of sickness and a theme of beans, of light. I mean light radiation it's kind of all in the same soup but talk to us about this aspect of the thing that does bleed over into UFOs UAP and the whole movement there? Yeah, so I mean you know regardless of what people think about phenomena right? You know these people that are a lot of these people with gay or overlap with experiencers There's a lot of a overlap here. Whatever you want to call it contact ease experience your son and so forth um You know the one aspect is people that may be talented for say remote viewing people maybe talented for have these experiences They tend to have dominance right in the right brain that you know where controls the left side again And uh that's kind of like

55:03 Also that creativity and that imagination and intelligence is also, that's what's desired for unfortunately these brainwashing programs to make the sleeper assets tied to MKUltra. So you have that heavy aspect there and I mean that's really what it gets down Anybody that's put in these programs, and it has to do with this advanced technology. It has to do with deeply classified elements going back to the Manhattan Project they're subject to behavioral modification The most sensitive projects are nuclear physicists Do you think we're just gonna let them go and hope that they don't end up getting disgruntled? And talk to someone or hope that they don't get suckered into it No Essentially We make sure that these people are qualified and at the same intelligent people are the people that are qualified again to take part in these

55:45 Ericksonian scripts and they help brainwash themselves even once they're into this right? They're handing over all the information but uh, But essentially they are conditioned with these same aspects With you know gamma omega programming and then you know all this. Anybody that's going into these deeply classified elements will at least have base programming And everybody because if they can't be put through base programing They won't make it to the next level level and be accepted into these next programs it's, it's routed is what's called a sterile protocol so if people can't go through base programming well then they're going to be no good for the program everybody in the program as they would say has been programmed has been

56:24 programming and that's what it comes down to, you know whether they are talented in what people want to say remote viewing or some of these more out there aspects. Or whether they've had genuine contact or its been synthesized whatever people believe in them regardless is that they have been put through this conditioning which also always has synthetic contact experience elements. And again, that's just as been said by Bonacci just as me and many other have said is to confuse and confabulate disclosure so you know essentially there are post-technotic suggestions where if these people access the unauthorized information internally or if they start disclosing unauthorized information essentially they will have a flashback

57:06 with no context of the synthesized experience. And it's just you know it can be pattern messages that sent doesn't have to be audible to them, it can be inaudible but either way what happens is that starts flooding into their psyche and will start confusing disclosure so this is just like, You know if you really boil it down and demystify it. It's just a hard method that's applied to personnel to stop them from telling. And then if they do tell, to essentially make them sound or go crazy so it won't be well received—to discredit, to derail, to neutralize." Wow! It really does seem like you're splitting hairs between aliens and demons when you get into the thing we started talking about and this idea of disembodied

57:54 separate autonomous intelligences, consciousnesses. I mean who really cares if it's just up in the cosmic soup or on some far distant planet? It's really almost the same thing from our perspective so it just gets really wild. What is your take having gone through that experience at eight with the disclosure movement today do you think that there Obviously hiding some things and trying to steer a narrative that isn't exactly true just to make it more palatable. To the public? Yeah, so I mean here's what I believe from where I put through is that the people at the people are unfortunately the families that are even behind governments to wear their powers generationally, their bloodlines transcend these nations and they are the ones that started these orders. They call the shots in. These are the people that

58:47 purport to commune with these spirits are some physical or some non physical To me that's irrelevant. But what I believe is that they have hard agreements in place, and now what I believe is that as this disclosure movements coming up, what they don't want known is all the technology that they have and the communication an obscure scapegoat. Just like Operation Northwoods to where we were going to do a false flag terrorist attack, which was a real terrorist attack on our own American people and blame it on Cuba when you have non-human intelligence say you know you do a false flag and you blame it on non-human intelligence well unlike Cuba they can't just stand up as hey uh it wasn't us guys you know it wasn't us we're just Cuba and these people are faking it

59:31 to come get our land. No, so you have an obscure enemy that you can scapegoat and especially with some of these frequency remote technology because radiation we're talking about frequency and it just has those side effects right? So when that's coming into play um and you know especially now with the uptick of this disclosure which what I see is it's a planned technology rollout They've already developed ICD 10 medical insurance codes by a known mind control doctor Christopher kit green that did this study at skin Walker ranch, they based this ICD 10 medical inferior mental. interference syndrome study at Skinwalker Ranch on Skinwalker Ranch because supposedly it's NHI. That's really an exotic weapons testing ground, but so they made these ICD-10 codes to treat people because they know there is a huge adverse health effects. There is biological issues and even tissue damage to some of this increased surveillance in this gridded up that they used either for remote influence through blanketed frequencies to more direct influence through directed energy weapons and so on and so forth

1:00:34 But also the these new, these new advanced craft and so on and so forth that they want to roll out that they've you know had in a while that they just can't keep secret anymore. You know the billionaire zipping around in their craft military intelligence so on so forth its plan that you know they're rolling out this technology. So that's long been the plant so as they rolled this for the increased health effects, they want to be able to basically pin that on an obscure plausibly deniable NHI. So it's kind of being handed down that hey we have problems whether you believe some are hostile whether you believe some are upset that were shooting down their craft like they say or so on and so forth. The idea is that people are in contact with these things there's a lot of unknown events

1:01:15 We basically know nothing is what they say, and they can pin any of you know any of the damage from their deeds on this NHI so. So this planned rollout of technology is twofold one it's to scapegoat this technology and adverse health effects on on the NHI so sort And then the other aspect is just to completely control, to completely cross over to the new wireless control mechanism. A lot of this MKUltra Monarch was direct trauma but you know it wasn't just remote, you had to get people in a chair and helmet, you had to torture these children so on and so forth now technology has developed to the extent that they can do this remotely so completely

1:01:57 doing this controlled crossover during this window. They're kind of cleaning house and basically all the bad stuff they're trying to write off to NHI as they port over to this new system, this is what it is there. They've long planned this kind of consolidation of world powers for a New World Order or one-world government, one world nation right? And that was kind plan all along. So now they're able to do this, that the technology and infrastructure is there and while they port this over you know the whole purpose of it is to blame the side effects on the unknown so that's really what disclosure is about. It's about scapegoating anything that they can as they cross over and implement this full control and consolidate power under this cabal that has really been responsible for doing all this.

1:02:47 Yeah, it seems like a logical conclusion to what this is all about. Some of this stuff has really long arcs and it seems very lofty like to me, it's like how are you going to pull that off? But Hey we'll see maybe they spend five more years conditioning people before uh, we really see anything. Maybe they use holographic technology to make at It looked like you're seeing it with your own eyes through social media. And then like, how can you not believe it? They've got some sophisticated ways to make you believe pretty wild things, but this has been amazing man as we're trying to circle around the ending here. Like I said

1:03:26 It's really hard to vet a person in this situation. You have to do so much research, I just vet you by listening to speak and I think anyone who has listened to this two hours would be like the guy clearly knows what he's talking about. He has a lot of insights it doesn't matter what question I threw at you yet a lot to say uh, I think you sound pretty legit but They are muddy waters and we're talking about intelligence. And we're talking about a person who did used to work in military, as they say with the CIA you're never an ex-CIA agent. So there's that in the back of my mind a little bit, I'm sure you could understand but I would go online and look at your detractors. And a lot of them might get from your own feed because you're retweeting what they say about you and then deconstructing why it's bullshit.

1:04:15 You know, there was the thing about the gun. You said you made this PVC gun in high school and a fair... And then you just used a clip from TikTok as an example because of course you don't have footage of that. Of course you do not have- Of second grade PVC. That was odd one for them to focus on right after they claimed I was someone else, a movie star or something. I don't know what these people it's like they're trying to give me credibility In the pre-smartphone world, we didn't have cameras in our pockets all the time. So you just kind of put something together? I didn't think that was a reason to be skeptical of you but i guess one of the things one of the accusations as you know is that

1:04:56 Your big thing, organized safety.org some people are saying look this guy is going on these podcasts he's doing that he's got this database this is a honeypot to get people who have been victims or have been in the gate program or satanic ritual abuse to get their information to get them to come out of the woodwork maybe the network Lost some of these people and they're just out in the wild and they want to clean it up a little bit. I could see that being a thing, but we just kind of talked about Sean Ryan Except we don't get personal information We actually recommend you don't give personal information in jest of the perpetrator so that even on its face right? Fair

1:05:32 Okay. So yeah, I'm just going to stop and let you talk because uh, I just want you to speak to what you would assume might be the criticisms out there as we're closing this out and talk about what organized safety dot org is really designed to do. Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate you. Yeah and i mean you know people can always shoot the messenger You know it's about the message I you know I almost wanted to say nothing ever personal about myself just because like there's always going to be something that some extreme stories but a lot of survivors relate to that so you know in 2013 and 14 I learned this I learned the lesson of not collecting survivor information because that can always be intercepted or compromised

1:06:09 So, essentially organized safety is inspired based and expounds upon the work of Valerie Wolf at the 1995 ACH re and that's what people should look up because they're Claudia Mullen and Christy Nicola were survivors of this man train candidate level programming a delta spy assassin in a beta honeypot sex slave. and you know, they disclo And Valerie wolf in a we 40 therapists contact or approximately for patients nationwide tha right? So essentially we networked with nationwid other defectors, other s advocates and just people

1:06:49 people in general. And what we did was we designed a system and now this system is an end to end encrypted report intake form, persons of interest locations of interest just general report of interest right? And what people can do is they can go there completely anonymously through an end-to-end encrypted platform and they can report either information about a perpetrator information about location information about an event whatever it If they would like, then they can also leave an email address we recommend a brand new proton of email address. Don't lose it that way you keep it and if you want you can get a copy of the report. And if you want only if you want, you can.

1:07:31 Give grant permission for notification. If your information is corroborated, so we actually recommend you don't put any information about yourself what we do is say hey, you know drop the information if you want to be notified if some of a name your report program name if an event, information you report is it's detected within our have a liaison contact y Hey, so on and so forth. Would you like to be introduced to these other parties who you all can get together? So essentially we don't even need any of your information and even to the point if it is something like that where that comes up generally will be because there's multiple other parties with the same information. We use this system for anonymous reporting just of the perpetrators at the locations of so on and so forth. And then what we can do is use that to build

1:08:27 blind preponderance of evidence for civil law. We can do burden of proof for criminal law, or just it helps paint the fuller picture for the parties that investigate in this information to really get a full picture of the network families and how this thing's operating so you know people will always say what they want my you know we're here to talk to anybody and I think it becomes very clear just premise of our system stands on its own and we're not trying If we have, you know parties that we talked to are comfortable with. We will build a standalone system that you can run in your own space whether it's you know there's a suspect organization church school whatever it is, you know we can grant you can make your own system for you to run with their own parties and have a QR code say hey if anybody, you know has anything to report scan this report to this form like what we're doing is we are preaching the

1:09:17 empowerment principle of peer to peer, put the power in your own hands to safely build up cooperation. That way you only actually have to expose yourself if there's already cooperating evidence and other parties involved and you have a much higher chance of success to pursue justice so at that point people get together and can come forward. Imagine if all the people that reported in The Boy Scouts were doing it to a place that wasn't compromised and they actually took that cooperative evidence and didn't take so long? Epstein, how many sweetheart deals did he get? How many people brushed that under the rug. Nygaard you're talking about Larry Nassar in the Olympics You're talking about Sandusky and the wrestling team What if these people reported to a place That really was going to pursue this and then if they run into a stonewall say hey these reports aren't being taken Then we had the option to go public to leverage public awareness To force existing channels to do their job what they were supposed to

1:10:10 People can say what they want, but the system, the premise stands on its own and speaks for itself. And we urge anybody that has information or evidence to contact us even before you report and then judge for yourself if that's the right thing to do. Organized safety org. Thank you Yes, I think that's a good pitch intelligence gathering for good You could say and yeah, I could see how it provides healing for victims just knowing that they're not alone and knowing other people have similar stories and Possibly justice justice is a lot harder in a compromised environment

1:10:46 law system, but you can still try. Some things do get through occasionally and at least people are more aware so I guess i was just trying to prepare the audience for anyone who might go and be motivated by this to learn more about your background or try to do their own research you're going to find a A lot of detractors claiming stolen valor and all this sort of stuff. But a lot of those people have a vested interest in, well the military is good. I'm part of the military and it's a force for good pressure and graze out there saying all this nefarious stuff. And now motivated to take him down. There's a lot of that. So I just want people to be prepared. You're going to see things on both sides you just listened to an hour or two

1:11:32 With them, you decide for yourself. But man, thank you for doing this. It's gotta be frustrating to face such attacks on all sides and also to have these traumatic background experiences that people can barely even believe it's tough but thank you for sharing. You do have a Patreon I believe? You definitely have a YouTube. You definitely have Twitter tell people about the handles you have out there places your visible on the internet Yeah, no patreon but I have a YouTube, Rumble is gray area operator. The Gray Area. I'm very active on X that seems to be where i can get a lot out and it's not censored or deleted so on x I am gray area monarch On most other platforms I'm grey area operator Not very active anywhere other than X

1:12:24 And then again, I'm just now getting back to putting out more on my YouTube and more on my Rumble. Also though...and again, I founded Organized Safety but you know, I went public and I'm kind of the loud mouth liaison This is with a team of professionals and people that have been invested in this some for over 30 years at this point So people can find that at organized safety org and also on x at Organized Safety. I will also be putting a series of articles out through myself, Gray, for the gray area on Emma Catherine's sub stack. Emma Catherine runs the Imagination Podcast that my wife and my love she has one of the largest libraries full length testimony of survivors of this so people if they want to go to sources and hear from the survivors themselves they can go to the imagination podcast she is on exit

1:13:17 at the Emmapreneur. You can find her on Rumble and Substack, and acts under Emma Catherine or The Imagination Podcast. And I'll be doing a series of articles with basically never before seen an exact information about programming and methods on her Substack in organized safety will be putting out a series of articles as well just with really next level information that's not available anywhere else with contemporary programming methods. Nothing like this has been disclosed basically since some of these spring Meyer and Wheeler books on way back but we have a wealth of information that we've accumulated, that we can disseminate some safely just due to it coming from enough sources that it doesn't expose the source where it did come from. So will be exposing a lot but yeah

1:14:01 Gray Area Monarch on X, at The Emmapreneur on X and Gray Area and the Imagination Podcast on YouTube in Rumble. Hell yeah. Thank you Yeah, I think I must have gotten the sub stack and patreon mixed up because they're both paywalled Systems or can be if you choose to yeah And ours aren't paywalled to be clear anybody that wants to subscribe to Emma Catherines is welcome to do so in We appreciate it because you know this goes to supporting the operations and also direct survivors But there is no pay wall on any of our on our material It's all it's all full access for free right on well

1:14:37 It's exciting to hear about what you're going to be doing. Maybe I do a follow up with Emma that sounds like it'd be pretty good, but Hey man, you sold me although if I see you next on the Sean Ryan show, I'm gonna have questions. This is a good time. Thank you for spending the time with me and take care. Thank you sir. All right. Damn what a ride today? Huh? I like that we didn't go too deep on the personal life story outside of that one big weird key event. You can listen to his other interviews to get all that other stuff, but we certainly got a lot of good material if you ask me Like i said in the beginning If I was trying to see if the personal stuff could be believed... ...if he really did have insider status, I'd be assessing how familiar with some things He seems to be which is very

1:15:24 And if I was trying to assess if he sounds like someone who has the story he claims to have, I'd be thinking about signs of trauma. He does speak fast with a somewhat anxious energy maybe? Anxious isn't even the right word no disrespect but there is a subtle quality that actually resonates with me and helps his case makes him seem genuine and I would look for a militaristic cadence or language or vibe and I think he has that too I'd also be wondering, is this someone who came out of nowhere and is suddenly everywhere? And let it be known that for anyone familiar with early internet conspiracy culture Gray actually has several lengthy detailed posts articles really that were posted on the above top secret forums over a decade ago. To me that also really helps his case he's been talking he just hasn't really been noticed in a big big way

1:16:20 I personally came across him doing my deep dives looking for guests and reached out to him, and even then he didn't really jump at the chance. He wanted to feel me out first too it seemed not exactly media hungry if that makes sense And i never really felt like he tried to make this all about him unless i was asking Not exactly ego driven i would say another notch in the belt of credibility There's times where I do interviews that shouldn't be the least bit personal to someone and yet every answer comes back to something about themselves. And one other point that is probably worth making is if you look at some of his other interviews, he typically would wear a ski mask and use a voice modulator

1:17:06 And I told him, I didn't care about the ski mask. But I asked him if we could please not use the voice modulator because I just think it's hard to hear what is said sometimes and he opted for neither. And when you see these video clips come out on the social media channels in a week or so, I think seeing them would also contribute to a lot of people's assessment of him overall. And it's not a big deal at subtle things but I think he appears to be the person he claims to be Even more so with that video component. So those are just some of the reasons I believed Gray, at least enough to ask him for an interview and focusing mainly on information outside of the personal story also helps because it's not such a pass fail sort of assessment It's more than just the personal story. So lots alike here i would say we looped in a little NASA We got into the motivations and benefits of doing these rituals A bit deeper than usual The cosmic fisherman premise really was something that worked for me

1:18:06 I'm quite blown away. At the end of the last show, I said this was kind of like a better Donald Marshall episode and now you probably can see why I would say that some of the names and connections he was going through in the disclosure movement were even over my head. I really haven't been paying enough attention to the week by week stuff in the disclosure drama discourse and clearly I need to catch up another little side thing I liked was the botanical gardens growing poisonous plants angle Gotta grow him somewhere, I guess. But there were several things that he came with that were really unique perspectives that didn't just seem like he was regurgitating the usual stuff we hear. He said he was barely familiar with David Icke even! Also because it came up without any context I should explain that PVC gun criticism. So he had a tweet saying he put together a functional gun out of PVC pipe in 2nd grade for a project

1:19:04 And he tweeted this with several photos that to me were clearly just supplemental, not actual photos from his story. But one was of a PVC gun and his critics said hey look he took this from a TikTok video see? He's a fraud but I just didn't even think he was saying hey these are actual photos of me in the second grade doing this they didn't even seem like 90s photos And the hands on the gun making it in the photo were clearly not child's hands. So I think he was just showing what a PVC gun could look like that of course was his rebuttal and I had no problem with it and that's a small thing, the big thing would be using this organized safety dot org project as a honeypot and then doing what they call love bombing to victims to maybe gain their trust and get deeper information or something like that

1:19:58 And I do think those sorts of plants exist. And I think he would say they exist too, we're talking about intelligence counterintelligence all that stuff but his responses in this interview sounded good to me things are submitted anonymously nobody who has reported seems to have any complaints as far as i can tell I saw one person complaining about personal interactions but those texts are public now and I didn't think anything was that significant Again, I liked this a lot. Thought he knew a hell of a lot about all these different subjects and a lot of it seems to be from personal insight. So as good as the first hour was the plus show only added to it we got a little deeper into what the disclosure movement is hiding and misdirecting from and aiming for. We talked more about the astro genetics information, the rituals for immortality, the notion of bringing terrorists back to life

1:20:57 Some of the suburban hotspots where these kinds of people congregate, parasitology and some of that stuff. Man, that was fascinating physical parasites having a relationship with spiritual parasites and some of them being welcomed by these people. And we talked about the alt media and the Sean Ryan show in particular, and some of his skepticisms and interactions with them there. Lots to like, one of my favorites in a while. Join plus support truly independent and sponsor free stuff that you like get 700 plus shows in the archive many of them on timeless subjects rather than the stories of the week You'll love it! 7 day free trial to get started so really any one show can be accessed for free if you're not interested in the bigger picture

1:21:47 In higher side news, let's do what we do. Talk a little bit about the rating of the last episode in this case it was the long-awaited appearance of Sam Tripoli I didn't know how it would go or how it would be received but I'm pleased to report we got a 4.7 really really good I figured it would largely come down to how much crossover there was between our audiences and Sam can be a wild man. Is he really going to let me lead the dance? That was the thought i had but it was great in fact several people commented on the fact that Sam actually might have benefited from being in the guest's chair their opinion of him went up not down so that's great

1:22:30 Either way, it was long overdue and I'm glad that it went so well. If you're a comedy fan It was probably fun to hear his comments on that stuff in the second hour too And again with the Shane Gillis stuff because that seems to get the most attention I wasn't even trying to say he's a bad guy I was just talking about some connections made by Spade on War Mode and I looked those connections up They do seem to be legit I just find it interesting that in one of the trajectories up the ladder, that seemed the most organic to me. There are these aspects to it. He doesn't have to be read in on anything he doesn't have to have an agenda. It really is as simple as a guy his dad went to high school with also worked in the CIA with a guy who is now the CEO of Bud Light

1:23:16 And so maybe it resulted in a job or two, you know? Most job getting activities are based on networking anyway. So not really that strange just kind of wow here too! That was my thought good show though and as we do let's run through the meetup calendar events at highersidemeetups.com Looks like all the February events are over, but on March 3rd we got Pullman Washington at Rico's Public House. March 8th of course the event with me and Gordon in High Springs Florida but also The Trails Cafe in LA if you're in that area Saturday March 22nd Elko Nevada at the 7018 Brewery March 26th Dove Creek Colorado at Bangerz Bar & Pizza March 29th Sydney Australia

1:24:07 The Chish and Flips Kiosk, interesting. And March 31st Gail Brath's Ale House in Auckland New Zealand Not bad the other day I said it was a little light looks like a few have been added and let me just say it's available to anyone interested just go to highersidemeetups.com and make an event and some like-minded people will likely come meet you for a drink and some fun conversation about the show and its topics etc etc All right. And again, big thanks to gray let him know if you appreciate his insights or resonate with his story Twitter's probably the best way to do that gray area monarch is his handle and honestly I just want to get this one out fast so i'm not taking the time to make a song I don't think very many people care

1:24:54 and it would be hard to do anyway without it seeming almost disrespectful like I'm kind of mocking or making light of his story, so we'll just dust off an old one of the cover song classics and call it a day. But man...it is a dark world out here sometimes! So take care you and yours. I'm getting outta here. I've done my part Your moves, Eternian Necromancers, Child Abusing Elites & Bloodline Families Of The Power Pyramid Your fucking moon. You can try your best but you won't succeed In the transhumanistic future we see We'll keep you wired so you can sleep Tech is a curve It's just one chip behind your And some parts below that we can replace Chris leaves no time to waste Enlist the lights inside

1:26:17 Forever cannaise to fix you. Your computational hours grow while you run endless loops of cat video. Offense will soar and cash will increase your worth. Lights in sun dries, to fix you The people that first get it should have a massive advantage over people that don't have it yet

1:27:26 Well, I mean it's the kind of thing where your productivity would improve dramatically maybe by a factor of 10 with it. So you could definitely just take out a loan and do it and put the money back real fast. Yeah! Super smart When do you think YOU'RE gonna pay? How long will you wait? Our big dream New phase Embrace our big dream New phase Stand by our big dream

1:28:30 New face Ace of big dreams New face Stand by To fix you