Wayne McRoy Jr. | The Autism Epidemic, Transhumanism, & The A.I. Agenda

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the fireside chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. I'm Greg Carlwood These are the Hireside Chats. Holy hell and hallelujah, Hireside Chatters from sunny San Diego! I'm Greg Carlwood and even though i've gotten about as lucky as a person can get when it comes to making the best from The Rise of The Internet & The Digital Revolution... ...I definitely still have a lot of concerns. Obviously technology like any other tool can be a double-edged sword but it seems that lately the side facing society has been getting sharpened a little more than the other

01:55 Behaviorist think tanks and social engineers have crafted our phones to be psychologically addictive and manipulative, social media has been thoroughly weaponized we've been drained of our ability to communicate in person, and a swarm of unhealthy digital signals surrounds us 24-7. Yes like a frog in a pot of water the heat is turning up with the rise of increasingly sophisticated algorithms aimed at tightening the screws of control through devices that we have been so quick to adopt What's also curious is that when we really get under the hood of this machine, we see a scary level of synergy between where we seem to be going and a strange transhumanist philosophy that jives with the esoteric principles of the elite secret religion. Might there be an esoteric or even spiritual context that most people will never realize? Could even autism be part of this digital dystopia?

02:45 Well, after reading the works of today's guest Wayne McRoy I'm starting to think it might be possible. If you haven't heard him drop a knowledge on the conspiratorial podcast scene let me just say that Wayne is an independent researcher who revisited the rabbit hole after a strange UFO sighting sent him on a path of studying THAT phenomenon which, as many of us know quickly branches out into subjects we did not expect to enter the fray. And now he joins us to talk about the threads on The Conspiratorial Cardigan that concern him most which are laid out in his two books The Alchemical Tech Revolution Fulfilling Ancient Esoteric Agendas Through the Use of High Technology and his most recent work The Autism Epidemic Transhumanisms Dirty Little Secret

03:28 So hold on to your hats people, the transhumanistic tyranny teacher and autism agenda educator trying to keep us alive past 2045. Wayne my man welcome to the higher side Thanks greg i'm a little humbled by that introduction that was awesome and appreciate it no worries just trying to do you justice cuz you have done some deep. Research here and i think this is really gonna connect some dots for people between a lot of things we see, raise the alarm about but maybe haven't been able to see with this level of clarity. Autism in particular, because all due respect to those people and families affected you can kind of see how the characteristics of autism things like lack of eye contact social withdrawal bluntness lack of social awareness and even the savant-level intelligence in some cases

04:21 it sort of mirrors what you'd think an engineered living AI might be like. You can see just a similar shape to some of these subjects and you start off the book saying that you have two children that are on the spectrum, and our hearts go out to you in your family because we know this sort of thing can be tough but you also have an insight into this condition that most others don't which really has probably been quite helpful in writing this book I assume right? All right. Yeah, I have two kids on the autism spectrum so it's kind of given me a unique insight into this whole thing. I have a 10-year old son who is on the spectrum and a 7 year old daughter who is on the spectrum as well

05:03 They're both on the higher functioning end of the spectrum, so you know they're what you would call Asperger's or identify more as Asperger's on the end of that autism spectrum. Now how that works is Aspergers syndrome used to be diagnosed as a separate disorder from Autism but since they updated the DSM manual to the DSM-5. It's all categorized together under autism spectrum disorder, so what that DSM manual is this is the go-to manual that all the psychology and medical professionals use to identify different mental illnesses and you know different things like that, so they've kind of put this all together under autism spectrum disorder now and That's kind of where I come from my kids are both on the higher functioning end And in my research. I've actually discovered that that seems to be a thing that's happening now is there's an increase in

05:55 the percentage of these kids on the autism spectrum that are being diagnosed on the higher functioning end and the ones under lower functioning, and that number seems to be decreasing. So that kind of suggests to me that there's something going on—that something is driving it in this direction so that suggests to me that autism could possibly be an engineered epidemic Yes, so that's super interesting and we're gonna get into the nuance of seeing the data and these trends change because it isn't the same condition that it used to be but you do note that like So many other parents. You saw the changes occur in at least one year children right after vaccination Can you tell us a little bit about that?

06:42 Yeah, I can tell you about that. My son he was three months old at the time we took him to the doctors for his routine checkup and they suggested get this DTAP shot so we gave them the DTAP shot because at that time I didn't think anything of it. You know? I thought anybody who talked about vaccines as being something harmful was just either off their rocker or misinformed or something like that listening to Jenny McCarthy What had happened is that very same night we took him home and he was listless and lethargic, and he started to have a gray tinge to his skin. And he was unresponsive so we ran him into the emergency room and he almost died in front of our eyes. He had a reaction to that DTAP shot

07:27 But by the time the doctors in the ER saw him, he had actually made a miraculous recovery and was looking much better. He was drinking his bottle and looked relatively fine So they sent us home and you know pretty much nothing came of it And then a couple weeks later my wife was talking to a friend of ours who's a nurse You know it came up in conversation what had happened? She said she'd seen that happen before and that's a sign of autism I didn't think anything much of it until we started to notice some things had changed with him because he was up until that point a very happy, healthy on target baby and everything was normal. So we started to notice he wasn't making eye contact with us and he drooled excessively and this is a major problem right up until he was probably about three years old in fact we have old family portraits of him

08:16 like when he was two, where you could actually see the drool stain in his shirt because that's how heavily he drooled. We had to keep a bib on him all the time so these were the first things that we noticed and that and the other thing that became apparent rather quickly was with the autism he has a comorbidity of ADHD So he was extremely hyperactive In fact, the doctor classified it as extreme ADHD So this was the first and toughest and most obvious problem we had to deal with. He was climbing out of the crib at nine months old, and you know he was quite the escape artist We had to put special locks high up on the doors to keep him from running out the door It was bad it was hard to deal with so my heart goes out to any parents who deal with any form of autism Whether it's on higher end or lower end of the spectrum

09:05 Yes i agree and these personal testimonies are so important there is a pattern that repeats and the longer people want to ignore these stories you know the longer we're gonna be dealing with these problems movie vacs does so great at stacking up the personal testimonies from parents. And no, these people aren't doctors but they know their children. They're capable of seeing change or regression and yet the wider culture just doesn't want to listen and it's really really sad. Right? I see that as one of the bigger problems in issues in our society right now is people put way too much stock in titles and degrees and that something that needs to stop

09:48 Just being a regular human being with common sense you can look and see and know when something's wrong. You don't need to be a doctor or have a doctorate degree to be able to say, yeah there is something wrong here. And that's the thing people just put way too much stock in this whole thing with titles and degrees and stuff like that and it all ties back to you know the middle ages to that system where the noble people they got their contract from the king if they can do business and stuff like that's where this. Degree system comes from he gives your permission that you could do business and then thats were that whole thing stems from even right up in a modern day but now we, have these big universities that say your qualified to do this and if you don't have there backing behind it than you're considered to be not somebody listen too and i think

10:36 in this day and age, you know with the internet and all of this knowledge and stuff. This knowledge base online everywhere that doesn't necessarily have to be the case anymore and I could see with the whole transhuman thing coming where this is going to change because they're talking about being able to upload an education directly into your brain like within seconds rather than years and years of study so That's all gonna change that whole house of cards is gonna fall sooner or later But right now there's just so much money and everything tied up in it that they still push this whole Idea that you have to have this degree in order to talk about this and have your opinion heard mm-hmm amen man, and

11:17 To elaborate on the setup here and use a quote from your book, you say this autism epidemic is a vehicle for something more. More than just a desperate random set of symptoms it is a blueprint for the destruction of the human will The means of absolute control of the mind there is an entire social engineering campaign associated with it too And that is the heart of what we're gonna talk about, but to get there people could probably use a little history lesson on autism or at least some of the context that you've gathered from your research. What else would you say to lay a good base here? Alright well we could go back and look at the origins of where autism comes from and then we can discuss the social engineering campaign that goes with it That'd probably be a good place to start Perfect

12:06 So, autism. The first use of the word autism actually came in 1911 by a Swiss doctor who came up with that term first and he called it infantile autism and he used it to describe a subset of symptoms in schizophrenic patients so this was the first use of the word autism And that came in 1911. But it wasn't really its own individual diagnosis until 1943 with the work of Leo Kant when he identified autism as what it is and identified it as a unique disorder from schizophrenia, so...

12:42 That came about in 1943, but it really didn't become popularized as a diagnosis until sometime later well into the 1960s. Because up until that point, until the 1960's it was basically categorized as schizophrenia because most doctors didn't recognize it as a condition they just thought it was a subset of symptoms that related to schizophrenia, especially when they saw it in children. They kind of thought of it as a precursor condition for schizophrenia So they didn't identify it as autism so there's not a lot on the record for autism up until about the 1960s or so It's kind of hard to compare data

13:20 from now, tell those times. But that's about where we could start the data tracking is in the 1960s and you can tell where the numbers go from there they really start to escalate starting in the 1990s and right up into present day And now it's an epidemic I mean let's make no mistake about it It's an epidemic so from there We could look at what exactly is, it could be causing this. So I did a little digging in my research and I made a little correlation going back to the late 1800s and early 1900's that kind of coincides with this rise in people identifying these symptoms and these symptoms coming about And what this correlation is...is The development of The aluminum industry so

14:08 With that, you know early on there were these byproducts that were pollutants in the atmosphere caused from this manufacture of aluminum and it's been shown that these pollutants can actually have neurological conditions associated with them. So, I think that's where it first appeared is back in the very early 1900s late 1800s and there's nothing in the historical records about autism or autism-like symptoms up until that point but to go along with it now let's look at this social engineering campaign that I talked about and it's a multi-tiered social engineering campaign

14:51 There's people in positions of authority right now, who are trying to make it appear as if autism has been with mankind all along and has been an important part in the evolution of mankind. So they're actually going back and rewriting history posthumously accrediting autism to people important historical figures with absolutely no evidence to support it, but they're doing it anyway to try and make it appear as if autism has been with mankind through all of history. And it's a good thing! So... They'll just say Albert Einstein had autism Charles Darwin had autism

15:28 Isaac newton had autism and they have nothing to back this up i mean there's no way to really know going back as far as isaac newton or before then if these people even were ascribed having these personality traits that are giving to them so they're just going ahead and saying this and trying to make it appear as if autism a good thing. And along with this you know rewriting of history to make it appears that autism has been with us all along, They're also shifting from autism awareness, which was a big social engineering campaign to autism acceptance now. And that's where we're at right now. That's the big thing they are pushing right now. They are trying to make it a socially normal thing. Autism and its on the increase even still The last official statistics that were put out by CDC say 1 in 59 has autism and those numbers came in 2014 so is likely much higher now

16:22 And those numbers are actually from survey year 2006, if I remember correctly. So one in 59 people with autism that's just a staggering number. Right and it's so Like this social engineering campaign is really difficult to pin down it's kind of in a gray area because. Like you said there's no way to know if these people who died before many of us were born had any kind of condition and he threw out a couple names their other ones you list in the book stanley kubrick, Nikola tesla mozart michelangelo lewis carroll it's just like you're really just picking people.

17:04 That are exceptional in our history and telling people hey look they probably had autism and. It's just a strange thing it does definitely make it seem like the condition has been around a long time even if its been recently invented, and they get to kinda hide in the ambiguity of the way people think of our medical history and the history of diagnosis and so it's really one those things that is gonna confuse a lot of people Right in this confusion is a lot of the problem to because i want people if you tell them autism on the rise that you know it's astronomical compared what was like say when i was a child growing up in nineteen eighties we had.

17:48 In the school I went to when i was in elementary school we had two children, in the special needs program. In the entire school at that time and now it's like its unbelievable how it escalated but people say oh thats just because they have better diagnosing tools and stuff now No thats not true if that was true then we would have a whole lot of adults running around right now on the autism spectrum like you know vast more numbers than what there really are So that's not the case. It's not just better diagnostic tools, there's more to it than that This is actually on the increase which suggests to me That there are some kind of environmental factors involved with this so That's where we start from and The big environmental factor that I see over and over and over again in every facet of my research i've done Is aluminum Aluminum is the big link with this? If I could figure this out Why don't the doctors realize this

18:45 Yes man i'm right there with you i had an interview with del big tree a vaccine researcher who in his own show interviewed the expert who's considered. The best when it comes to studying aluminum and its effects that he straight up said, in terms of alzheimer's which is another area where we see it says no contact with aluminum no alzheimer's it's that simple and it's really kinda messed up people need to get Aluminum cans, aluminum foil even out of their house because I've heard a lot of people talking about just the history of that as well and we're told Alzheimer's is this genetic condition. Well you know families have the same habits so if you're drinking soda out of aluminum cans drinking beer out of aluminum cans covering your acidic

19:35 pasta sauce with aluminum that's leaching into your food. Surprise, surprise multiple generations are affected by the same condition but we can probably chalk up a lot of autism and Alzheimer's to aluminum poisoning which has now gone from just cans and aluminum foil to nanoparticulates in the sky and injections in the first few years alive right along with the food it's in the food as well i mean this stuff where we're inundated with aluminum and like you were saying they site a genetic factor with alzheimer's they do the same thing without his. And this is partially true and this is what causes confusion and this is where are really kinda missing the boat cuz they say oh its genetic,

20:19 Well, yes that's partially true because my research has found that many people on the autism spectrum share several different gene mutations. The most notable being a mutation on the MTHFR gene which this is a gene that regulates methylation in the body so what this does is this is the gene that allows your body to be able to eliminate heavy metals from your body. So if your body has a reduced capacity of eliminating these heavy metals, if you're being injected with a large portion of say aluminum nanoparticles then your body is not going to process it out like somebody who doesn't have this gene mutations would so this causes all other set problems and this could be part of the reason for the onset of some of these autism symptoms same thing with Alzheimer's

21:08 I think it's part and parcel of the same thing going on. It just, the symptoms display differently in different age groups with different levels of immune system immunity Yes man well said and i wanted to step back to that history a little bit where autism used to be lumped in with schizophrenia then it got separated out you mention the book that the person who did that was recruited and funded by the macy foundation and the rockefeller foundation way less familiar with the macy foundation but Is it safe to say that when you look at this history and the manipulation that went on we're seeing a lot of the same old interests, the same old think tanks, the same old behaviorists and social engineers. And the money train goes right back to these places is not the case? That's the case with everything i've ever researched that money always ties back in place

22:03 The macy foundation they became famous from the nineteen forty six macy conferences which this is the start of the cybernetics group, this is where cybernetic comes from and this is actually a very important facet in what we're talking about today most people won't realize that. We should probably go ahead and like kind of define certain terms so people understand what we're talking about. Sure The first one being autism, okay? Autism is a spectrum disorder So what that means is that people with autism they have all different kinds of symptoms and combinations of symptoms from this No two people on the spectrum have the same symptoms or have the same capacities so this kind of makes it very difficult to diagnose first of all but

22:49 But there are some common traits that go along with it and you mentioned some of them earlier, that being the lack of social skills. lack of being able to make eye contact, lack of empathy a hard time communicating repetitive behaviors things of that nature. This is basically what the standard definition of autism is if people have these certain types of behaviors and difficulties they can be considered on the autism spectrum but there's a whole gamut There are over I think 500 different possible symptom combinations or something that people could have so everyone's affected a little differently. So that basically is what autism is and early on in the early days, autism was basically lumped together with schizophrenia because schizophrenics oftentimes have trouble communicating and exhibit some of these same symptoms that overlap on the autism spectrum so people categorized it as the same thing going back many years but next let's look at the next term we just talked about cybernetics

23:50 And people think of cybernetics and they think of robotics and things like that. So, that's part of it but what people need to understand is cybernetics actually... What it is this is an interdisciplinary study of holistic systems so this looks at whole systems It takes a whole system perspective on things whereas Our standard education these days is they break up our subjects you know i break up what we learn in the separate subjects little short time periods so you have like say a forty minute science class and then you have math and then any of social studies english things like that.

24:26 What this does is, this is by design. This breaks up whole thoughts into different subcategories and keeps people kind of confused really when it comes down to it whereas cybernetics is opposite of that. This takes a whole systems approach look at things That's what cybernetics is now the Macy Foundation Back in 1942, they had an initial meeting between people from many different disciplines who came together to work on some common problems. And they hit it off so well that they decided after the war was over—we're talking about World War II—that they would get back together and discuss things again. Now this is what happened. So the Macy Foundation funded this and they had these conferences that came about starting in 1946. They are known as The Macy Conferences. People could look this up

25:14 and C. So what this is, is they formed this cybernetics group so these people came together from their various disciplines that they studied under and this was a continuation of operations research from World War II. Now what this was like logistical strategies and stuff like that that they used for wartime to figure out the best ways to place resources So, they looked at things from a whole systems perspective at that too. These people came together from these many varied disciplines some of them being things like anthropology and computer science things like that so they came together in these conferences starting in 1946 funded by the Macy Foundation and where they went from there is many different ways The most notable thing that came out of these Macy Conferences was the start of the development of artificial intelligence

26:05 We're going to look at that little sidetrack here later, but for right now we're going to turn back towards autism. Now one of the people that was involved in this cybernetics group his name was Gregory Bateson and this is where the groundwork was started for the study of what causes these different symptoms in schizophrenia and autism because at that point they were studying it under the category of schizophrenia So he tried to come up with a theory of what causes schizophrenia. So, he had a couple different ideas and they went ahead and did a bunch of studies on people with schizophrenia and children that they considered to have schizophrenia which actually their symptoms sound more like autism but they studied these people and Gregory Bateson came up with a theory that he called double bind And what this was is this theory

26:59 was that these children had these symptoms because of the way their mothers treated them. This never really panned out though in their research, it was a good theory but there wasn't enough to really back it so given over time they decided that it wasn't just a social factor involved with this that there had to be some physiological cause of schizophrenia later on this laid the groundwork for the cybernetics people to look at and they discovered that this physiological cause of these symptoms in people relates to calcium neuronal channels. So, a dysregulation in calcium neuronal channels is what causes these symptoms particularly the autism symptoms in children so with that they discovered that this is what causes it as kind of a general overview This dysregulation of these calcium neuronal channels

27:54 So, they started doing some experiments to see could they reproduce these effects in a lab. And lo and behold they could reproduce them in the lab so that also shows me that they were on track early on to find a way to try to reverse these things. That's very interesting history and you mentioned autism as a spectrum disorder, which we know but it's also very unusual because usually these things are you have it or you don't type of diagnosis and You've also mentioned this wide range of variation Does this suggest some sort of field testing to you because if they had reproduced some of this in the lab, you would think it would be on the decline not the rise. And you also mentioned differences in certain effects and trends and data. I assume that is kind of the point at which we see things start to go a pretty dark direction? Right! That's kinda the viewpoint I'm coming from with

28:59 I don't have any direct evidence to say that somebody is purposely trying to engineer this in a certain direction, but there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that points to that. One thing in particular that nearly fell out my chair when I read the first time was a paper that talked about what they termed autism without intellectual impairment and that's the term they're using? That's what their looking for They are trying to engineer that So thats very suggestive in and of itself I couldn't believe it when i read that. And this is what they seem to be working towards now my opinion, Is they've been experimenting with different substances to see what they could do To cause some of these effects and try to not cause the more severe symptoms Of what you would consider are of the lower end of the autism spectrum and more towards the higher end because

29:56 I saw one study that suggests that up to 60% of all people on the autism spectrum have some sort of savant skills. So, that's a very telling thing in and of itself too! So if they're trying to engineer like these higher functioning forms of autism, these Asperger's type symptoms with the savant skills that says something. And this has a direct tie to artificial intelligence and people don't realize it. A lot of the same people that were in at the ground floor for the research into this Bateson project and the different things that stemmed from it were also involved with artificial intelligence development. And what they found is

30:34 that autism intelligence and artificial intelligence, they're kind of based on the same thing. They use a model called the VPR model of general intelligence And what this is is this is the verbal perceptual and image rotational model. This is primarily like a form of visual intelligence or spatial intelligence And people on the autism spectrum have a higher spatial intelligence than neurotypical people. And this is a lot of what artificial intelligence was designed after, was designed based on this model so when it comes down to it you could say that artificial intelligence is modeled after autistic intelligence and thats why the transhuman thing ties into this

31:18 Interesting yes with transhumanism a lot of times it seems like we're talking about two different things cuz on one hand. It seems to be the elites pipe dream of immortal life to download their consciousness into some machine vessel which is not how i think consciousness works i think its, Kind of a stupid thing to try to do it to be honest but i can understand that desperation the live forever and then the other thing is what they have prepared for us which is, make us these mechanical drone type people so you know just that transhumanist term seems to represent several different things when you say.

31:59 Oh, it definitely does. I mean it's got a broad range of meaning to different people but basically what they're looking to do is they want to merge the minds of men with machines and transfer it into cloud consciousness of sorts so they see this as being a very real possibility and when you consider that many of the scientists and researchers who are working on this whole idea They view consciousness as being nothing more than a mathematical algorithm And you can look up any number of studies on this or different papers on this. They talk about how consciousness is the byproduct of nothing more than an algorithm, so if that's the case they really believe like very sincerely that they could transfer their consciousness into a computer So if these people think it could happen and are going to try for it

32:51 This is what they're looking for, for this immortality. Now this sets aside the spiritual concerns of these type things So, you know I kind of agree with you. I think it's really a dumb idea there is definitely from my viewpoint spirit realm around us that needs to be considered in these things so where do they go with it and thats what we're looking at but primarily the transhuman movement right now they want to be able to merge their minds with machines and live forever and thats what its all about Yeah and sometimes we think about the merging of the mind with the machine as a literal thing and to some like records while it really is but. If you look at the way people are addicted to their smartphone and how this smart phone dictates they behavior i mean were already merged and the more you can,

33:44 Have the mind be a reaction to things that are happening with a smartphone or computer. The more you can track, surveil, the more you can influence and we're seeing it all the time that people just staring at these screens and their day-to-day interactions of their day today decision making is reactionary based on what screen shows them in so it is quite scary and maybe To say merge is like i mean we are already there it doesn't have to mean that you're literally putting your head inside a computer. It's more about influence and just complete detailed my new control to the individual level and work on their right then i tend to agree with you in that fast it, it's just one step of the overton window away from uploading your consciousness into a machine that's what they're in game as that's what their goal is

34:43 They want to be able to merge all the minds of men together online into, you know this kind of collective consciousness of sorts. It's like the board mentality it's not a good thing but we are part way there and some of these future is stuff will argue that were already cyborgs. Because of our interaction with the phones that the only thing is, is its connection speed is what's the only major difference right now so once they have your mind directly linked to the internet There you go. I mean, then it's data transfer at the speed of thought right now it is an input-output game that what they say It's all about input output speed That's the only major thing that they are working on

35:26 We're at quite a scary place in the timeline, but I had mentioned in the intro that this seems to be an ancient esoteric or spiritual agenda at its core. You mentioned that just a moment ago as well. Help us flesh out that connection for people who maybe don't see it yet how does this harken back to ancient and spiritual philosophies? All right, well basically in my first book the Alchemical Tech Revolution I outlined seven basic hermetic principles which most of our sciences are based upon and people don't realize that. Our modern sciences are all based out of these ideas these alchemical ideas

36:06 The thing is, our technology we have now a lot of it has been twisted. It's a twisting and inversion of natural law the way these things operate so this is a complete inversion of how these technologies can work and should work to kind of coincide with nature whereas they're using these technologies to replace nature with something completely artificial And that's where were coming from A lot of these ideas stem back from the ancient mystery schools, from the old natural laws and different alchemical sciences. These things have been brought forward into the modern era and they've kind of been perverted into something that they really shouldn't be, but that's what the people in control are pushing. And a lot of this stuff it's all about producing an artificial system that is completely controllable by those few at the top of the power pyramid That's what they're looking for A total panopticon control grid So... In order to do that They can't control nature

37:07 So what they plan to do is replace nature with something totally artificial. And that's where this whole transhumanism tie comes in It's not just going to be man merging with machine, they're merging everything all of nature with machines and this could be seen going on around us from the chemtrail spraying to the way that they're modifying foods genetically All the way down the line This is the ultimate plan Everything's gonna be tied into the Internet of Things This is what it's all about Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's this weird techno terraforming and I've had some guests suggest that they're preparing the environment for something else to come in and That could mean something completely on the outside of our system or it could mean that people who don't go with the program and Don't alter themselves sufficiently enough

38:00 They might suffer because this environment they're crafting is not suitable for biological life it's suitable for the techno life there looking to create so you don't go with the program. You get damaged the most and then they can basically through that process remake man in their warped image right that's a good description of it, it's a two phase plan actually what they're actually trying to pull off The primary purpose of the plan is transhumanism, the merging of man with machines to become God essentially. That's what they want these people at the top of the power structure. They want to become god and they want to be able to have control over everything along with that, the secondary purpose behind this whole campaign is basically to call the population it's a population control thing

38:55 It's amazing how all this stuff ties together, like all these different rabbit holes that I've gone down. It all ties together into one overarching thing and this is the transhumanist movement! That's the thing that underlies you know... All of these other various so-called conspiracies going on it's all about transhumanism when it comes down to it at the end of the day it's all about transhumanism and that's the direction our society is being steered Right, right. And also I want to ask you this when it comes to the theories of autism that are in the literature You talk about two-the extreme male brain theory and the Neanderthal theory what's important to know about these? How do they relate okay basically they relate in a lot of different ways actually because It's kind of been shown that they believe neanderthals had higher testosterone levels than

39:47 than modern humans. So when you look at that tie compared to the extreme male brain tie, this kind of would show to be so and there's also been some testing done different studies that show that if a woman has high fetal testosterone levels when she is carrying the baby it the baby has a higher chance of developing autism and than different genes identified, which they relate back to early modern man breeding with... interbreeding with Neanderthals. And they think this relates to autism and it has to do a lot with spatial intelligence, this kind of thing which relates back to this whole VPR model of intelligence again that they use to develop artificial intelligence. Another interesting correlation with that is

40:36 I think it was a year or two ago there were some mainstream stories coming across the news that they were talking about growing Neanderthal brains in a lab to make robots with. Did you see that? No, i didn't see that but that is quite wild! Yeah people could look it up... It was uh..I think it was about a year-year and a half ago they had multiple ones of these articles out where they were talking about Engineering neanderthal brain cells in a lab to use the power crab like robots so that's an interesting thing right there i mean it doesn't get much more transhuman than engineering like say, any andrethal brain to control robot so i mean that thats just an interesting crossover link with this stuff but basically.

41:23 I kind of see how this whole Neanderthal theory of autism could tie together with this extreme male brain theory of autism. And what this is, is this extreme male brain theory of autism. This claims that people on the autism spectrum have more masculine type brain than neurotypical people And this relates to things like organization and skills like that. Whereas they consider more feminine traits to be being able to socially interact, social interaction skills and stuff like that they considered to be a more feminine trait whereas things like organizing and you know keeping order in mechanical things things like that tends to be a more masculine trait

42:07 So they see this by and large with a lot of people on the autism spectrum, females as well as males. That is a plausible theory and there is some evidence to back it up for what autism could relate to Right. It is so interesting and you also draw links in the book between autism and gender dysphoria, gender dysphoria and Transgenderism is definitely wrapped up in transhumanism And it starts to get a bit thorny in this area But to quote the book again You write recently The Tavistock Center was forced to admit a high prevalence of autistic clients at its clinic for transgender children

42:49 Nearly one-third of all the children being treated at the clinic had some form of autism. Does this indicate that the Tavistock Center was taking advantage of youths with clear mental health challenges who are experiencing some confusion that the chaos of day to day life can bring to people on the spectrum? Or, is there a legitimate link between autism and transgenderism?" And that surprised me, but it's so true that it might be hard to form a conclusion around that because you just don't know which came first. The association or these think tanks trying to force the association? But just that term transgender children... I dunno It-it's a big thorny soup but what are your thoughts on that connection and what happened in this situation with the Tavistock Center

43:39 Well, basically nothing really came about with the Tavistock Center about this. It was shown that a large percentage of these children being treated at this Tavistock Center were on the autism spectrum and they hadn't initially reported that so... That's a cause for concern in and of itself but there is a definite link here between autism and transgenderism And I think a lot of it has to do with the same thing going on. They're tinkering with our brain chemistry when it comes down to it, so... With that being said, I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility that people on the autism spectrum have a higher prevalence of transgenderism

44:21 It's definitely something that has been looked at in several different research studies and there have been some correlations drawn to it. But it is one of those gray areas, once again Greg where you know...it's hard to say if there really was something more to it or not but I think this has a direct correlation too with this whole extreme male brain theory about autism though too So from there, I mean You know, there's another agenda going on concurrently with the autism agenda and this is the transgender agenda. And this relates to something called post-genderism so if you want to touch on that we could go ahead and touch on that. Sure let's talk about it! Okay post genderism basically what this is... This is a plan to end gender differences To end gender binary gender and they're working towards this right now

45:17 And you know this could be considered to be synonymous with transhumanism because they see technology as the tool that they can use to bring this about so they wanna end gender and. Make gender kind of a spectrum thing where people could be whatever they want, and this once again correlates to the whole trans human notion of being able to upload your consciousness into a computer in that way you can exist in whatever kinda vessel you want so It's kind of an anything goes mentality. They want to end gender altogether Hmm well it's kind of one of those things that you do need to get back into those ancient esoteric worldviews or spiritual models for what our reality even is. But, you don't have to go too far down the occult rabbit hole and start finding this idea that we live in a world of duality on this plane and the elite occultists want to collapse that into one as the template we saw on 9-11 The two towers are collapsed and then they raise one single tower

46:17 Maybe this is the attempted union of the spiritual and the physical realms, but... The argument that's being made is that seemingly this template has also been applied to gender and sexuality. Right! That's a perfect description of it And that's-that's the whole thing. This is kind of perversion of the ancient alchemical roots of this whole idea They're trying to like I said end gender and they're doing in an artificial way whereas you know, a lot of the ancient... I believe it's the Buddhist traditions and things like that kind of lean towards trying to remove gender as a thing that motivates people. And this stems back to some ancient esoteric ideas as well and it's all based on the hermetic principle of gender so this is a perversion of natural science in order to create something artificial and more controllable and that's what it's about

47:15 And while we're kind of talking about the spiritual side of things, you actually have a question that you put boldly in your book and you say what spirit dwells in the temple of transhumanism? I'm curious. What spirit do you think is dwelling in that temple of transhumanism? Well, I don't think it's going to be the spirit of a human per se. That's the whole thing. You have to wonder even if people succeed in being able to transfer their consciousness online and into a computer is that really going to be them? Or is that just going to be an artificial replication of them does their spirit move on? That's the good question

48:00 Right, these are all questions that we just don't have the context for because we don't even really understand our environment the way they used to. Right? And that's the whole thing. A lot of this stems down to what is consciousness, and that's the question that has troubled mankind from time immemorial. I believe the ancient alchemical sciences and natural sciences had a better understanding of what consciousness is than our modern science does in our modern science trying to create an artificial type of consciousness you know, in creating this artificial type of consciousness would it also be creating an artificial type of spirit per se? Powering this consciousness. Because my viewpoint is I believe consciousness is an energy field It's not so much a physical thing attached to your body Right You know most of these scientists and stuff that are looking at these transhumanist ideas think of it like I said earlier as nothing more than the byproduct of a mathematical algorithm They see consciousnesses being

49:01 Nothing more than a byproduct of the electrical workings of your brain and your body. And you know, I've done some research and looked at some things that suggest that consciousness is an energy field that exists around you. That your consciousness lives on after we die. A lot of these people don't believe that Agreed yes, they need to do a little DMT and then try to tell me that you can bottle the mind into some computer because when you do something like that the experience that at least What's true for me is that things are way more complex than i ever thought and this requires a lot more study and a lot more attention then we're putting on it but it is curious that. There is a spiritual tie into all the stuff in yet the two big companies apple i mean this is essentially the forbidden fruit android this is essentially the game plan right now to my biggest concern is,

50:00 They completely ignore the spiritual side of things with this whole transhumanist push. This is nothing more than, you know, the pushing of hypermaterialism. That's what their viewpoint is it's a hyper materialistic viewpoint. Yes I like that phrase for it And so I do know people whose children are suffering from autism, but they aren't conspiratorial thinkers and i would never broach this sort of stuff with them. But I am curious to ask you as a parent of two kids on the spectrum who is also aware of the big conspiracy

50:38 What do you see from your first-hand personal experience with your children and what they go through in the medical system that others might not get from being on the outside or even just from reading a book like yours? Okay, well one of the important aspects that I could point out about this whole thing is First of all as much as they deny it. There's just this Undeniable link between vaccines and autism as much as they come up with these studies that say you know that the vaccines don't cause autism. And these studies they come out with the data is so skewed and just cherry picked, it's ridiculous i can demonstrate that in a lot of different studies and show you where they had skewed the data to show what they wanted to show but

51:24 That's beside the point, but what people need to really realize is there is an undeniable link for the past 30 years between vaccines and autism as much as they deny it. They're definitely THE major cause of autism in my view. It could be shown outright that ingredients in vaccines particularly aluminum adjuvants that they put into vaccines could cause these kind of neurological disorders in people. It's been shown in many different studies, aluminum nanoparticles especially and that's what people don't realize is a lot of these newer vaccines that came out in recent years or the ones they manufacture more recently use nano particulate aluminum in them and this could freely cross the blood brain barrier if the size of the nanoparticles are under 200 nanometers so

52:14 This is going on and this is causing a type of encephalitis in people's brains which kind of correlates to the onset of autism symptoms. So I think this is what's going on, these are causing a starter function for autism in people and it's a synergistic thing because like I had stated earlier there's aluminum in everything It's in the air, it's in our food, it's in the water There's no avoiding it. Right! And So prevalent that you'd think it was consciously placed there. Otherwise, it just seems like way too much but even beyond the contraction or the diagnosis of autism and the delivery method of it Do you see other things in?

52:57 the lives of your children because it's gotta be plagued with constant doctor visits, constant drugs, constant monitoring. Are you seeing things in that part of the process from your son's diagnosis at three to his current age of ten? What in there has you skeptical is that where you started to get the wheels turning about things like field testing or researching different data and trends amongst different groups Yeah, it's definitely a play the factor in how my research has gone down We've been through the gamut with my son in particular with a lot of different things

53:39 he had such severe ADHD that it was very taxing on us and we couldn't find a doctor that would help us because basically at that time, even though they claim they could diagnose autism as early as 18 months of age most people on the autism spectrum don't get diagnosed until they start school. And that's one of the things we tried to reach out and get help for him when he was young and they told us come back when he starts kindergarten We could not get help And that's a struggle, a lot of people who have children with autism deal with. They know early on that there is something wrong but they can't find anybody to help them in the medical field or they can't find resources to help them and it's frustrating and its hard and really you know it wears on ya as a parent Also theres alot of different things that people don't realize that happen along with Autism Most kids on the Autism spectrum also

54:37 different kind of gastrointestinal disorders and things along with it as well. And this is where Andrew Wakefield's work came in because that's what he was looking at, was the gastrointestinal end of it and they ostracized the poor guy for coming to the conclusion that hey there's some kind of a link here and a lot of it does have to do with gut health so there are some supplements and stuff that have helped my son I would recommend people If you have a child on the autism spectrum, it doesn't hurt to try things like omega-3s. It doesn't hurt to try something like methylfolate of some sort. CBD oil has a lot of potential with kids with autism. There's many different things out there and there is a lot more help now than at that time we were trying to get him diagnosed and get him help

55:28 There's just so much more available on my now that you can find freely back then. There wasn't as much out there like it was very difficult to find anybody, who knew what in the world was going on or anything i could help but right now there is a lot of resources out there that could help so i wanna let people know that there's hope with this stuff. There's a lot more help out there than there was in the past its got a lot more attention now than when it has been passed so Yeah, I've kind of seen a lot of different things with kids being on the spectrum that I don't think any family should have to deal with. It gets very costly like you're paying a lot out-of-pocket money for trying different supplements and things like that because most of the doctors all they want to do is put them on say an ADHD med or something like that

56:16 They put them on psychoactive drugs and that's all they want to do, and then just monitor them. And they don't deal with it day in and day out like the parents have too. That is something that is kind of a struggle for people because unless you have a child on the autism spectrum, you really know what its like to live with autism even the doctors or professionals who deal with them in clinical settings and stuff like that know the condition inside and out They don't know unless they have a child of their own on the autism spectrum, what it is to deal with day in and day out. Jesus man I don't want to be all doom and gloom but that's why we're issuing a warning while people have some time left and i hope people use it wisely

57:00 But this has been quite a ride and I think we're just about to pull back into the station here, but i mentioned in the intro how this research journey for you started when you had an unexplainable UFO sighting. I'm curious if you could tell us that story before we go? And maybe give us your assessment on how that phenomenon might relate somehow...if at all! Okay, well growing up as a kid. I always had these kind of weird paranormal type experiences and stuff growing up I had a lot of different ones And I was always kind of interested in that kind of stuff from a very early age on so when I got a little bit older I Kind of backed away from all that stuff and didn't really look into it That is until one night

57:48 I was driving home from my mother's house at the time, and I had my oldest son in the car with me. And as we were coming over the mountain... We looked up and saw this weird very slow moving square shaped craft flying overhead! It was definitely metallic. It had a white light on each corner and one big red light in the center. And it floated overhead, and it was only maybe 30 feet above the treetops And it just drifted overhead silently, very slowly. So since I had that encounter and my son had witnessed it with me you know that kind of validated me a little bit with seeing it... ...I kinda got back into researching UFOs and stuff again because it renewed my interest in it so from there that's kinda where I went down all these many different rabbit holes and found a lot of the things that I found

58:38 It's interesting how all these conspiracy type topics, I hate using that term so much because you know they try and paint us as being a bunch of goofballs but all these different things interrelate in a lot of different ways on a lot of different levels. I tend to agree and i can see how you would research UFOs end up in esoteric sciences and Nazi secret programs and mind control I'm just curious to do you think that the thing you saw in the sky or these experiences of people have you think it relates to, the stuff we've been talking about today other than the fact that its also secret is there a branch on. The big machines tree that is using this technology or facilitating these sometimes almost religious experiences for people

59:35 Well, there's definitely something there. I would say my impression of what I saw at this point...I would say it's definitely a man-made technology and my assessment looking back at it from now is that I would speculate that it was most likely some type of surveillance platform That's my view of what it was Many of these things do tie back into ancient esoteric sciences though too And that's definitely how I kind of got involved in them I sometimes tell people i accidentally became an expert in a cold philosophy so never intended to but yeah i mean just looking at a lot of these things it's weird how it all ties back into this stuff into these different metaphysical ideas and things like that. It's true i love you up for studying story whatever they are what,

1:00:25 Also, before we go give the good people the info they might need to keep tabs on your work or get the books. I don't think The Autism Epidemic has released quite yet has it? Yeah, it's released in the middle of April. It is available now on Amazon. It should be available anytime now in the other book retailers. Usually takes a couple weeks before hits them but that's available now my other book The Alchemical Tech Revolution is available anywhere you can buy books I could be found on Facebook on my Facebook page called files from the conspiratorium or if anybody wants to contact me directly I can be reached at chemical tech revolution gmail dot com

1:01:07 Those are basically the only platforms I really, really have that they work from. So it's a catch 22 to have to deal with these platforms to promote your work and then also in the work advise people to avoid these platforms. I get it hits the struggle every day. Well my view on it is I'm going to use these tools until they make them no longer viable for my use so its you know I'm kind of using their system against him and thats how I view it. Cheers Right on. Well, I'm sure I speak for most of the listeners when I say that it can't be easy to have these things affecting your family so strongly and we hope for the best when it comes to your children and the lives ahead of them thanks for doing all the work that you have done and for sharing with us today Thanks for having me on Greg. I really appreciate it You got it! And take care out there

1:02:04 Blessed be the fruit, Hiresight Chatters! How we feelin'? I hope you like today's show. I know it's a thorny one at times but i also think these topics are worthy of a conversation. I can see how some people could feel that a few things here might be offensive or insensitive And that is why I think the context of Wayne's personal life and the background with his children is crucial to getting into this material properly. I know it makes me way more comfortable, you know? We can actually have empathy for people that are affected by something AND investigate the likelihood that that something is organized and intentional especially if its trending at a very alarming rate

1:02:54 A lot of dark agendas can hide behind the uncomfortability of having the conversation, so we definitely never want that. So big thanks to Wayne for putting himself out there and doing the research that makes a case based on data and personal experience rather than hyperbole and rhetoric Not always an easy thing to find in 2019 I do respect both of his books a lot, and it's always nice when we can cover more than one thing in the conversation. Especially when they do sync up together so well! And isn't it just a bit too weird how these threads seem related? It's like a movie where you can see how several storylines are gonna tie together way before they actually do...

1:03:41 And it's definitely a big concern. Autism, vaccines 5G, glyphosate AI transhumanistic themes social media... It's a lot and I do want this show to be about more than this single narrative and having every road lead to transhumanism but it's getting harder to find roads in the conspiracy culture that don't lead there especially if you're not a flat earther or a QAnon advocate What are you think in the back of our minds a lot of us see this technocratic digital culture as a sort of runaway train and we see it moving so fast and we aren't even getting time to process it fully. It's already consuming so much and how so much of our time or habits are attention our purchases, are social interactions how could you not at least be on guard

1:04:37 Obviously, it's not all bad. I should be Exhibit A for that. I'm not trying to boast but I also don't want to sound like some kind of hypocrite But surprise surprise a lot of things in life aren't just good or bad Some things especially something so big is gonna be a lot more complex than those two categories But maybe we need to forge and maintain connections that are more direct, rather than facilitated by some third-party platform like Facebook or YouTube or even Patreon. Every one of those platforms launches, explodes then gets greedy and wants to be as broadly accepted as possible so they start policing their platforms Seems counterintuitive to me but I guess largely for the sake of advertisers And on behalf a big brother

1:05:30 And it's no different from building entire shows around the ad breaks. Entertainment, I guess has always just been a catalyst, a vehicle to get your attention on something that you wouldn't pay attention to otherwise and a good show is defined by how many pills and Ford trucks they sell during the commercial break. Our modern era is just another more sophisticated phase of that But as far as THC, yeah we did have another old show removed from YouTube since we last spoke. This is four in the last 30 days I'm not worried about it but you should know that it happened and I'm going to post shows on YouTube as long as I can as a funnel to get people to know about the podcast and then hopefully start getting it directly through an RSS feed or the site itself Or better yet sign up for PLUS

1:06:24 But the shows being on YouTube are really just me casting out another line into the digital sea while I still can. I'm sure we'll eventually get some people to put big money into building platforms that straight up commit to free speech from day one, they just have to be as functional as The Big Five and then we'll be over the hump With that said, I hope you liked today's show. Tomorrow the 20th is our next joint session 7pm Pacific Time. I'll post the link everywhere i can but hopefully some of you will have time to sit down drink a little drink smoke a little smoke and take the THC stage with your own interesting theories or stories experiences whatever always free for anyone to tune in live or call-in and then it's archived for plus members

1:07:17 Also, the new website is almost here. The Plus website will be going away of course because we are transitioning to a combination of one website and that is just gonna have to be the highersidechats.com cause it would be weird the other way but stay tuned for that and how its all gonna work hopefully completely seamless for you Of course, if you liked the first hour today consider signing up to hear the second hour of the show and every show. We've actually had a huge surge in new signups since we had David Icke on Welcome to all those people it is so much appreciated! I had a really stress-free week quite enjoyable to see those numbers going up So welcome to The Club! I hope you stay around for awhile

1:08:05 And today's show with Wayne it did actually jive quite well with a lot of the topics we talked about with David but, we discussed in the plus show here how Wayne sees the medicines and doctor visits in his childrens lives actually advancing towards the transhumanistic goal. We talked about field testing this desire to increase savant qualities and decrease the less desirable aspects of the condition of autism. The social engineering component where we see that with Sheldon and even Bran the Broken,

1:08:43 And then we got into some stuff from his first book, like computer brain interfaces and multi-dimensional portals. How blockchain technology serves the agenda in the medical space. Breaking reality with quantum computers Gaming addiction and Mworlds. Mworld was the mind blower of the day for me crafting entire holographic realities and basically shadow banning people from the true reality and quarantining them off in these simulated M-Worlds. Quite a trip indeed! Big thanks again to Wayne for bringing the heat and having The Stones, And I'll see you guys next time Your move cybernetic psychopaths transhumanistic technocrats and engineers of the autism epidemic

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