Wayne McRoy Jr. | 2026 Synchromystic Metadata, The Enoch Polarity, & The Black Star

00:00 The planet's puppet masters are almost surely clearly maybe something there be and until we've thoroughly tested every last close-chested view the less we reach THC into us just don't know to what degree the higher side chat shows Greg Carpenter

00:56 Coming in hot from the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood. And it seems like everything injected into the culture currently is mainly designed to increase engagement and capture your full attention keeping you glued to the screen to see what people are saying and what happens next It's a sophisticated attack of attrition aimed at leaving little room in your life left for self-improvement, inner reflection, community building or even just a few fun and productive hobbies. Epstein file drops, kidnappings, geopolitical drama heightened tensions clashes on the streets AI advancements the drip of alien disclosure and a new flavor of fear porn added every week

01:36 I know, i'm tired. But here to help us divest from distraction theater and see the signposts ahead so that we don't end up burned out or strung out is our man Wayne McCroy he is the author of over two dozen books including his newest The Enoch Polarity in The End of Time you can also find him running the Alchemical Beacon sub stack and hosting the alchemical tech revolution podcast as well as the synchromistic podcast co-hosted by Richard Willett all found at alchemicaltechrevolution.com and it's great to have him back, the synchromistic metadata decoder Enoch Polarity Educator and true thorn in the side of the technomancers Wayne welcome back Thanks Greg as always your introduction never disappoints I always appreciate it

02:21 It's getting harder to be creative, but I'm still managing somehow. But thank you for doing this. We booked this interview on the other side of the super bowl, which is now happening early in the year because We talked last time about the synchronous metadata and the motifs of twenty twenty five and what they were gonna be unusually you fold in the super bowl to that then your predictions have been. Really great i didn't realize that she made a lot of those, Early enough that you didn't even have a good idea of which teams would be in the Super Bowl this year It seems like it was a little less successful But I am more interested in the overall symbolic themes of the year anyway than I am a football game, but what are you been saying? Well, it's interesting. I did take a stab once again at making the predictions about the Super Bowl this year and

03:14 And honestly, my heart really wasn't in it. I felt like I didn't really want to do it something in the back of my head said just leave it alone but I know its been kind of a tradition that I've had for the past couple years so I thought ill take a stab at it and I hadn't even been following football all this year not at all So I looked before the playoff games were even completed and made an assessment based upon what I see in the greater synchromistic metadata field out there about the teams that would be involved and perhaps the archetypes. And I got it totally wrong this time But I think that people like me and others that are covering these things are having an influence on the planning phases of this stuff, because they went with some totally different archetypes this year than they had previous. And they went about things slightly differently. So I had made the initial prediction that the Denver Broncos would wind up winning the Super Bowl because of the symbology of The Fire Horse. It is The Year Of The Fire Horse

04:14 So this is an important archetype in the greater field, the greater information field out there that was really playing heavily on things early on in the year. And I thought this would be one that they would leverage but it would seem instead what they've done is they instantiated some totally different energetic principles in this Super Bowl and having hindsight now and being able to look back, I could see what was done. And what was done is they were kind of trying to reset the energetic influence of the timeline within those zeitgeist and setting back the clock to 2015 because the same two teams, The Seattle Seahawks and The New England Patriots were involved last in a Super Bowl together back in 2015. This was during the Obama presidency

05:01 So it seems to me they're trying to reset the energetic influences prior to the arrival of the first Trump presidency. And that is what I kind of see as going on with that now, looking back and they flipped the script because the first Super Bowl game that the Seahawks and the Patriots played...the Patriots had won with a score of like 28 to 24 if memory serves me and now this time the Seahawks won so they're flipping and inverting the energies because it seems that going back that 11 year cycle back to 2015 they wanted to flip the energies that became present, that made it possible for a Trump presidency to get in. And they're trying to reset the timeline and fix things overall in the energetic zeitgeist if you want to call it that. That's the term I prefer to use because there are spiritual components to all of this so... That seems to me what has happened now in hindsight and I wasn't really

06:01 looking at it from that perspective, going in. And oftentimes they like to switch things up on us when they do this stuff so that we don't exactly see it coming and only after the fact can you identify it? It's called revelation of the method. So after the fact, we could look back and see that now I got it totally wrong this year. And I think I'm going to take a step back from that because honestly sports ball games nauseate me at this point. can't do it anymore with trying to fit into that normal type of entertainment motif with people because it's all about bread and circuses really, to keep us distracted from things of true importance. But at any rate the information out there in the metadata field that we see out in the zeitgeist points in this direction of transformative change this year 2026

06:51 So far is shaping up to be a very different year indeed, to anything we've seen before. And since we last talked, we've had so many things come out now in the greater information field and out there in the public purview for people to see. The Epstein files being front and center. And now just last night Trump announced he's releasing all of UFO files And i predicted this several weeks back. I was going to give you credit for that you getting ahead of me but yes in one year recent podcast interviews yet or podcast episodes with richard maybe the superbowl wasn't a hit that's okay you're not claiming to be no stradamus you're not claiming to have any kind of side ability your reading symbolism,

07:37 that you see in the culture and then making a prediction what was interesting is they released a preseason image of all the quarterbacks looking up towards the heisman. And the two that were in the front closest to the heisman where are the two teams in the superbowl making a lot of people think that was scripted So very strange. Well, you mentioned Obama and that fits in here too because Obama does this random podcast interview I say random because i'd never heard of this podcast and you should be a pretty big podcast if you're getting Ex-presidents on there, but I dug into it and it kind of is a big podcast just like it's not on my radar at all Biden has been on Obama's been on Elizabeth Warren's been on. It is basically like the DNC's podcast now that I've learned a little more about it but

08:28 Obama goes on and the whole thing seemed like, the whole interview is just engineered for him to get this line out that aliens are real because that's the thing that went viral. And then Trump had a response that Obama shouldn't have revealed classified information but maybe he'll help them out by declassifying it and then he had his truth social tweet last night really breaking down that he has directed all of the relevant departments to release anything they have on UFOs and alien life. So by the time this interview airs, well I'm sure all that will be drowning out the Epstein stuff it's hard to keep up these days but good on you! That was a great call you made in advance gotta give you credit. Well yeah and it's not rocket surgery right? Once you learn how to read the symbolism and know what's going on and know the motivations of these people

09:19 it's not very difficult to make those types of predictions. And if you've been paying attention for any length of time, you know that all these conspiratorial-type topics overlap in very many ways and a lot of the things that are being revealed through these Epstein files are pointing to this motif of this biological engineering of human beings into something else cloning and a breeding program that Epstein was very much involved with very much pushing and promoting with a lot of scientific resources backing this. He even said he had garage biology things going on under Zorro Ranch! This has all come out in the Epstein files now, just going back a few weeks people would not consider any of this stuff like the mainstream would not consider talking about any of this stuff so this gives us researchers who've been looking at this stuff for years and calling this stuff out for years

10:13 a lot more credibility now than we had before so there's a lot more people tuning into the things were saying that we've been saying to get a little more. context to what's coming out here in these epstein files this is a very important thing. In the year twenty twenty six and we can't lose focus on the things being revealed in the epstein files and i think, behold intention is to overshadow that with all the ufo disclosure now now i have heard there's a british documentary filmmaker out there that's been saying now for the past couple months that Trump is going to actually make an announcement concerning extraterrestrial life and the UFO program, and everything come July 8th of this year on the anniversary of Roswell. So this is something that was kind of in the back of my mind going into this as well when I saw all the connections with this garage biology cloning designer babies all of this stuff that Epstein's involved with and plus

11:08 We've seen people making claims that Epstein wanted to get his DNA and everybody. And that has something to do with the COVID shots and stuff I haven't vetted that fully yet, no, wouldn't that be crazy? Like just to hit people with sorry to interrupt you but they hit people with all this Epstein nastiness and then be like, oh by the way not only Are there emails planning a pandemic or hoping we can pull it off with bill gates but there is an insinuation that abstein's dna might have been used in the vaccine now.

11:45 Man, so a lot of people in our world they talk about offloading karma that the elite love to do that and that's why they reveal what they do. Well one way to off load karma is to be like hey this Epstein guy he's in millions of people out there his DNA was in the shot I mean what a mind fuck that would have for people who did get the shot It's one of the wildest revelations in those documents. But I just wanted to step back to the motifs of the year and And even the Superbowl, so I'm not really the guy to do synchromistic stuff. But I thought it was kind of interesting that the Seattle Seed Hawks are the northern most team in the entire NFL and the New England Patriots are the fifth most Northern both above the 42nd parallel which is kinda rare there's 32 teams ding-ding-ding and only five above the 40 second parallel

12:40 And so it seems kind of rare, somewhat arranged. Obviously media reports of ice at the Superbowl were big. We have the big Greenland theme a big ice block up there. The first two months of the year were dominated by ice storms across the country and ice agents And then February 17th kicks off the year of the fire horse and the ice theme is completely dead. It's melted, and then this is also wild so the year of the fire horse February 17 same day as a ring of fire eclipse and Jesse Jackson died the same day

13:18 You think Jesse Jackson who cares why is that relevant to know what jesse jackson's real name is. I'm not sure what it was in lightning with jesse jackson's real name jesse burns, Burns okay, Jesse burn that makes sense lighten up on the day of the fire horse and the ring of fire eclipse now Check this out. It goes a little bit deeper this credit has to go to SK Bain He is the man I read this blog he sent me I'm on his list just before the show so I read this morning I'm all fired up no pun intended the year the Firehorse alignment Only happens once every 60 years where fire and horse come together. The last time it occurred was 1966 that was the year of the founding of the Church of Satan again a motif of fire burning and all this stuff so then I thought well, was Jesse Jackson ever associated with Anton LaVey? This is my own thing now

14:14 Survey says no, he really wasn't. But it is well known that Sammy Davis Jr was friends with Anton LaVey and was kind of a member of the Church Of Satan. Anton Lavey actually did the eulogy at Sammy Davis Jr's funeral but can you guess who officiated Sammy Davis Jr's wedding? let me guess jesse jackson jesse jackson good old jesse burns so there is some connective tissue they're kicking off the year of the fire horse and i just thought that was very interesting how to throw it out there yeah the fire horse symbology is everywhere at this point we have fire and ice in a course

14:52 this harkens back to the motifs of the different cults of Saturn, fire and ice. So we have the ice symbology, we have the fire symbology now present they've kind of shifted the energy now and the year of the Fire Horses kicked off really heavily here now and we're seeing all these really fast releases going on now just prior to that Chinese New Year on the 17th with The ring of fire eclipsing Antarctica by the way that is where it was visible another interesting fire and ice kind of dichotomy there as well So with that having kicked off the 17th And now we have just a couple days later here Trump announcing the release of the UFO files and stuff like that You're seeing how they're kicking it into high gear. Oh

15:40 with all of this symbolism and with all of the energetic principles that are present in the greater zeitgeist. So we're going to see some strange things happening over the course of the next several months That I have no doubt about and of course we're seeing a lot of disclosures that have been made already people have been digging very deeply into these Epstein files And they've been finding some very disturbing things things that we've covered in the past Greg both of us It's it's not new news to us But for the vast majority Of the people, a lot of this stuff they've never considered before and now they have to take it seriously because yeah is coming out and They just arrested

16:21 Prince Andrew yesterday on his 66th birthday. Hey, there we go! And it never ends with all of this stuff especially the numerology with all of it but certainly They decided they were going to arrest him. I think they released him, though. I saw that that they released him and there's still investigating him for misconduct in an official office or something like that . So he's getting a slap on the wrist. But we need to start demanding that there be accountability for all this Epstein stuff that's been going on. There's been so much revealed about some of the big players like Wes Wexner and others involved with this

17:00 that need to be held to account for this stuff. And the sad thing is they're probably not going to be, but we can't let it go and they're gonna try to distract us by throwing out all this UFO stuff now and keep us off topic with that. I think the vast majority of people are like, uh-uh! We're not letting this Epstein thing go. It's been revealed actually publicly now in the mainstream that the world is run by satanic pedophiles Something we've been talking about for years and they told us put your tinfoil hat back on dude. There's no evidence of that Oh, yeah this has been going on and here it's coming to the light of day now And people don't want to let that go for good reason I mean right these people need to be held to account but certainly though They'll pull every trick in the book at this point To get people off topic because they've engineered society to have the attention span of a goldfish No word of why

17:53 So if they could distract them with the shiny new thing, you know UFO disclosure. Hey aliens are real by the way They'll start to forget about the Epstein files and even if they don't and there's still talking about the Epstein files And trying to get to the bottom of prosecuting people with this stuff Well then the next phase of the operation comes into play and they'll say well it's because of the aliens That's why we've been doing this stuff that we had no choice. They influenced us. They're not what we thought they were And it may sound ridiculous to people to think that way right now, but when you realize that there's actually factions within the Pentagon and other places

18:31 asserted that this UFO phenomenon and these extraterrestrials or aliens, whatever you want to call them are actually demonic entities. Then you could begin to connect the dots in that way and see it from that perspective. So you have this small minority within the auspices of the Pentagon and military intelligence that claim that these things are not extraterrestrials from other planets but they're demonic beings then if you take that into consideration They could come out and say, well we knew about the alien presence and we had treaties with them but they tricked us. We didn't know what they really were And they made some of these demands and influenced us in ways that we didn't think was possible and possessed people

19:15 And like I said, I know this may sound like a bridge too far and ridiculous for some people. But that's one angle they can approach this with to try to stave off any type of retribution for their actions in these Epstein file releases. So it's a type of plausible deniability on their part. These people love to operate with plausible deniability with all of these things So i think you were gonna say something there greg and love to hear your response well yeah as you say this is one possible angle and you proposed others as well so he did this show called the perils of distraction theater largely about this. I know not everyone has the stomach for the stuff in the abstein files there's a lot of people out there that are really struggling with the implications of what all these means although,

20:03 As you say, you and I and people listening have been aware of this for a long time. I think the next phase of their process it's almost like the stages of grief but yes there will be a stage of accountability Again, we know that these things have been going on so long. There is no accountability the entire justice system is compromised that will not be happening. That's gonna be another difficult thing for people to realize Not only is it happening but nothing will be done even though It's out there now But it is a silver lining that the cultural awareness has raised I guess an engineered awakening is better than no awakening at all

20:44 And one of the other possible solutions here that you have proposed, because it's always problem reaction solution. They released the problem in the files and they're getting their reaction and then another possible solution actually parallels what Tim Dillon said about the ice situation so he said that He speculated that in boardrooms with these tech companies in the board rooms there plan the riots and they're playing the killing of Pretty and Renee good. And they're saying, look guys these humans they keep messing up we can't have humans police in the humans because they get emotional. They make mistakes this is why we have the robots

21:25 And then they're gonna basically say that we gotta get robo cop out there because he won't make the same mistakes you have proposed that there is. A parallel situation where you say look the management class of this planet are all corrupt their stealing money they're taking the kids, they're doing all kinds and nasty stuff we can be managed by human beings anymore it's too big a job absolute power corrupts absolutely so let's get that AI Central government and place let's get the ai manager in place because it won't be tempted to rape kids and eat human flesh not yet anyway but i think that's an interesting possibility and probably a likely when i think both scenarios that you have to create a problem show that humans are the problem, and then bring in the technology that you have ready and waiting.

22:17 Exactly, and to think that's not always been the plan is kind of foolish in my view. That has always been the plan so now they're revealing all these crimes against humanity with the Epstein files and they're revealing the presence of other intelligences, and they're saying humanity is the problem. And that humanity can't be trusted! You see these people... once they get power it corrupts them, and they fall under the auspices in the trap of these different spiritual influences from these outside aliens or forces that are swaying them in these dark directions. So we can't trust them, so the solution for that would be this total panopticon digital control grid surveillance invasive surveillance pre-crime types of modalities with this and this has all been developed by Palantir and other companies already Palantir tested this in 2012 back in New Orleans it's predictive policing

23:18 And this is actually the movie Minority Report on steroids, especially when they get involved with more and more invasive surveillance of people tracking and monitoring what they're doing 24-7 from cradle to grave. Then they could say well according to our algorithms there's a 96% probability that this person will commit such and such a crime at this time at this location so we need to hold them accountable now before that happens. Like I said, a lot of this stuff may sound like a bridge too far for some people or bad science fiction. But the technologies exist and they've been using them. ICE has them and I suspect this is becoming the infrastructure for an internalized police force here in the US And this is the kind of thing that they're using and utilizing Palantir is at the back up all of this and Peter Thiel who's also in those Epstein files All these guys

24:10 Well, they have the solution ready made to go. And a lot of it is showing us now you see how despicable these humans are when they're left to their own devices? We need to have some kind of a neutral third party system and artificial intelligence to monitor and keep tabs on them and to keep them honest and to keep them from doing bad things. So in order to do that we have to get everybody into this system to keep you safe You see, because we can't have this kind of thing going on again. We let it get out of control when the billionaires all decided to do all this stuff... ...all these heinous things to humanity and we can't ever let that happen again so the only way to stab that off is to go ahead and submit to this control system because it's not going to be biased and it's not going to do all those heinous things and its' going to keep people safe and protect them and keep them honest

25:02 Keep them well behaved. And didn't they come forward with this whole Stargate proposal early on back in, in 2025 and talk about all of these different things to keep people honest and to keep them on the up-and-up? They need to be monitored and surveilled. And this is all part and parcel of all these things going on. And the artificial intelligence will be the neutral arbiter of all of this at least that's the story they'll give us So, yeah. I see that as totally being the solution, especially if there's some outside threat, some alien influence involved too well of course they need to have the infrastructure in place to deal with that. They got to put all those Starlink satellites and everything up there to keep tabs on what's going on out there in space and to keep us safe from the influence of the aliens and stuff like that because they lied to us you see

25:53 We didn't know what we were being involved with. We knew about their presence and we had made some arrangements with them, and we capitulated to some of what they told us but they were being disingenuous with us So we didn't know what we were getting involved with I can totally see this as the narrative going forward here And like I said, I mean, I know it sounds like bad science fiction and it probably should be relegated to bad science fiction. But that might be the reality they're trying to craft for us. Right. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. The whole point is these people want you to believe it's true and they will try to socially engineer the masses into accepting it as a truth. If you accept something like this as a truth in effect, it becomes a truth of sorts, doesn't it? We saw this example with the whole COVID scam they pulled on the world

26:42 the whole pandemic situation. If you believe enough, of the narrative they're selling you, it in fact will change the world in these different ways to bring about that reality. And we're seeing a post-COVID world right now what it looks like and its an ugly reality that's been adopted here It's the new normal So now they are trying to engineer the next new normal as far this stuff goes and it will involve more and more taking away your human rights giving you this panopticon control grid complete with social credit scores and everything else to keep you in line they'll have actual systems and all the infrastructure is in place for it already by the way most people don't know that they already have social credit scores on each and every one of us, its just not been publicly made available yet right good point another thing that came out recently that I saw was there was a whistleblower on

27:38 For chan where these people like sometimes come out anonymously sometimes it's a large sometimes are just trying to mess with people but sometimes genuine and i came out said hey look i am part of project blazer is for facebook. And i'm really freaked out by some other stuff that's happening, And he basically said that their whole project is about using AI to mimic a person's Facebook profile, to keep it going after their death. And this was sold to the staff as well. This is for grieving family members and stuff so they get a little sense of like, oh grandma still around or my son didn't die in that car accident or fentanyl overdose and it's really creepy and gross but that was the pitch and then

28:23 And he says, actually now it's more operational than you might think. And that some Facebook pages out there they are completely run by bots and it's not obvious and some of them... He basically said that when he thought this through, you could take a whole town or a whole island of people and drop a bomb on them and kill them? Social media profiles would go on without a hitch and they would look just like nothing ever happened. So there's this real crazy split between real world events and the online world, and does anything match? And is anything you see online actually happening in the real world? Can real-world events be completely hidden from the digital landscape

29:09 It is wild. Another thing I was thinking about is just how many guests I've had over the past few years who have talked about this being an apocalyptic age, an age of revealing and all will be revealed that as a major phrase people have heard or what does all mean? You know you shouldn't be surprised That the abstein files are coming out to this degree obviously it feels like even a minor thing to the people been in the game awhile but it's clearly have an impact. But they'll probably be further releases and fewer names redacted as we go maybe alien disclosure than,

29:45 You know, what does all mean? All means also I guess. I just want the seasoned veterans to be well-prepared to be armored up don't get burned out. Don't get strung out. Don't let them emotionally manipulate you, you know or you have a better sense of what the big secrets are than most people, you know so don't act surprised. It's a little surprising when you do see it come out of the shadows but It should have less impact on us than the rest of the culture that is reeling with these things even being real on top of them actually been revealed so. Really interesting stuff i wanna make sure we get into the book where speeding right along here but this new book the enoch polarity and the end up time a big theme of it is the rose accretion model for reality go really deep into that give people the elevator pitch you've written so many books at this point what

30:43 Piece of the puzzle does the polarity in the end of time add well essentially i think the most important precept people could take away from this is the importance of what we call the theory portion of this reality. This is where manifestation begins in the dense physical chemical region sense that we're familiar with. And like you said, I did spend a lot of time breaking down the Rosicrucian cosmogony in this to better understand it because I think it gives us the best roadmap for understanding how reality truly functions. These were things that were known back in old natural sciences and old alchemical sciences

31:23 by peoples in the past. And we had a greater connection to the etheric portion of this world at one time, and we've lost our senses within that over the course of time and human development So this is an important precept for people to understand because how things begin to manifest in this reality. It's a stepping down process from the spiritual realms into the physical manifestation here, and one of the key conduits for this is the etheric portion of this reality which the Rosicrucians described as being a type of sub-plane of this dense physical plane we live in it's of a finer substance that can't be detected by our five senses so there's this way of thinking that they give

32:09 regarding the etheric as to the etheric portion of this reality, wherein they describe these different phases of matter that we're familiar with. Okay? So we have solid liquid gas and more recently they've discovered plasma well according to the Rosicrucian system this is actually the first stepping into this etheric portion of matter as it exists here in this physical plane because the etheric region is a sub-region of the etheric plane. It's of a finer substance, it can't be detected by our normal five senses in a normal way so they describe that there are actually seven phases of matter in the Rosicrucian system

32:48 And we only experience in the dense chemical region here, that's how they refer to this physical world we're all familiar with. The world of our five senses so we're familiar with solid liquid and gas and now more recently within the past hundred years or so We've become familiar with the concept of plasma well according to the Rosicrucians there's three more phases of matter beyond plasma that are encapsulated in this etheric portion So... the etheric being the sub-plane here, and this is the important stepping down process into physical reality here from manifestation in the spiritual realms. Now how it works is things begin in this spiritual, in what they call the devacanic plane or the mental plane if you want to call it that

33:35 and it steps down from the mental plane through the astral plane, which is the next spiritual region. And then from the astral plane it steps down into the etheric, which is a sub-portion of physical reality before it becomes fully manifest in dense physicality here. So this is the nature of manifestation. This all falls back to the idea of thought forms and things like this. It all emanates first from the mental plane Well, actually it emanates from the spiritual side. The mental plane is kind of like a nearer or a divider between the spiritual planes and the stepping down process into the physical planes. So we have the astral plane, which is described as the emotional plane this is what gives us our emotional responses and our feelings and things of this nature and our desires it's called the desire world in some of the systems We have the astral plane sitting just below this mental plane or nevocanic plane which is the source emanation for thought

34:33 and from this thought it steps down through this process, through the astral plane. And then from the astral plane it starts to take on physical form within the etheric region of reality first before it manifests fully as a physical thing here. This is the process of manifestation according to the Rosicrucian system and various other occult systems that I've studied they all overlap and teach the same things It's just they use different words to describe this but I like the Rosicrucian model because concise language to describe this, and it uses the same terms. It has kind of this lexicon that it uses to describe this that it sticks consistent with so it describes it with consistency So starting as a thought form in the mental plane, it steps through the astral plane and then it comes down into the etheric and then dense physicality Now a good type of analogy to use in this process

35:30 is thinking in terms of, say you're an architect right? And you want to build a house. Well how does the house get built? Well first it starts as a thought form in the architects mind He has a vision and this is the ideal and this what is represented in the mental plane It's the ideal So the ideal goes through different phases of manifestation To bring into reality so he has the ideal first ok that the mental picture then his next step would be to maybe draw up a two-dimensional blueprint. So this would be the stepping down process from the mental plane into the astral plane, so now you have the 2D blueprint and you see okay... The ideal that I had in mind—this thought form, this picture, this mental image isn't going to work precisely how i had ideally thought about it! Then the next phase of drawing the blueprint would be making changes to the blueprint

36:30 to make it functional because it might not be functional in the way that it was idealized. So you make these changes and modifications to the blueprint, The next phase of this process would be to build a smaller version three-dimensional model and in the building of that smaller three-dimensional model of the blueprint, you find that there may be more structural flaws or things like that. That you hadn't counted on in your idealized picture or in your two dimensional blueprint so you have to make changes from there So this would be concurrent with what we would call the stepping down process into the etheric portion. Okay, this is the model that's the framework it's the infrastructure to build the actual structure upon so you have this small scale three-dimensional model and you make the appropriate changes there before you build the actual house and then

37:24 the dense physical region we're in. This would be the building of the actual house you have conceptualized and oftentimes it will look different than what the idealized version of it This is the process of manifestation. Now, I hope we're not losing people in this way of thinking it's a good analogy So you think about the structure? You want to build it winds up looking different in actual physicality here and how you had pictured at original and that's because of this stepping down process through the various spiritual components of reality Into the physical here It's a design process And the ideal doesn't always match what occurs

38:02 Because this is actually an archetype. The archetype is formed in the mental plane, but the archetype takes on a life of its own and a structure of it's own as it steps into physical reality And it looks different than what the original intention may have been So I hope that explains some things here As far as cosmology goes with the Rosicrucian model But this is the important precept Okay? I know It sounds a little off topic but The important portion of this Is what happens In the etheric What happens here in the etheric will eventually take on a physical manifestation and this is the important stepping down process And this is the nexus point that many of these dark occultists who run things in this world have been trying to leverage In a lot of different ways because they want to try to use this To create a new synthetic reality so what they're in essence doing is their building an

38:56 a synthetic version of this etheric plane in order to bring about manifestation in the ways that they see fit. And this is called the digital realm, they're building a digital layer of this reality. It's an artificial etheric plane sorts I. This goes very deep and people who haven't been following my work for a long time might be put off a little bit by what I'm saying. And it may be a bridge too far. But I assure you, this is the actual intention of many of these people that are truly calling the shots in this world. They want to build this artificial sub layer of this reality in order to make changes, to the reality and build a whole new version of this reality at completely synthetic version that is inverse to the natural order of things. Yes. The eighth sphere you could say so exactly seven spheres it's a lot like

39:49 The capitalistic tree of life for people who are just listening i put the image up on the screen but these models are always so complex but they do rhyme with each other and in this particular one it looks almost like. Spears set on a sheet of. Music you know you have the different layers of the music the way it usually looks when it's written out but what I think is interesting here. You say it's the pilgrimage of the virgin spirits or the seven revolutions around the seven globes of the seven world periods and

40:25 It looks like it goes from saturn to sun to moon to earth at the dentist to jupiter and back up to jupiter. Venus and then i began to volcano and of course volcano is only known i've never heard about planet vulcan or anything you can explain what it, I'll obviously only hear volcan from star trek so i had to look up is gene roddenberry because we've done episodes before about how gene roddenberry was doing sounds and getting information and then including that information in startrek deep space nine the sands channeling the nine well right here jean rodenberry was associated with the ancient order of

41:09 Rosenkreuz a modern rose accretion organization multiple sources including the rose accretion egyptian museum in san jose and articles from bradberry are from beardy history american magazine list him as a member, the museum which am or c owns has historic ties to roddenberry is often mentioned alongside other notable figures like walt disney and leonard cohen. As a past or present adherent so obviously volcan has a source that predates. Start track but it seems like he was aware of this model maybe he was part of the rose accretion order some loose version of it but what is vulcan and its

41:53 Original meaning where does it come from well vulcan is the highest most echelon of what are current state of evolution will take us to according to the rose accretion system. And it's an interesting juxtaposition to realize that when you look at alchemy and the alchemical processes, you find that the well-known alchemist known as Fulcanelli. His name is a take on Vulcan. It means Vulcans' children So it's all about this elevation of man to the highest level of the evolutionary process in this phase of our existence at this point. And, to understand this better... According to the Rosicrucian system we go through these cycles these seven cycles alright and then it repeats once the cycle ends between each of these different periods there is a break called a cosmic night

42:47 in the Rosicrucian system. And in that period of the cosmic night, our spiritual development takes on an elevated type level and then it emerges on the other side in a new type of evolutionary process through this seven stages once again So we go through the seven steps at the first starting in the spiritual down into dense physical and then back up to the highest echelons of spiritual again. And then it repeats, the cycle repeats this is the octave you see the seventh... The next step from the seventh would be a new beginning, a new starting phase of this

43:25 So it's the octave principle and of course you were very correct in calling this out as looking like musical notes and things like this. And of course, you had relevance of the music of the spheres coming into relevance with all of this too. This was all things that were talked about by the philosophers of old, they understood some of these principles so essentially it's this process that we go through in the cycles of time here that we have in our development and it's about stepping back up into the spiritual. So now where we exist according to the Rosicrucian system is we're a little past halfway through the earth revolution of the earth period

44:05 in their cycles of time. So we're just beginning to step up from the bottom most level of all this, where at the lowest state that we've been and now were back on the ascendant again so we're going to be going into the next phase which they call a Jupiter revolution of the Earth period and in this new age if you want to call it that we are going to begin to reacquire some of our lost senses from the spiritual realms or spiritual senses And this is where in we're going to begin to see revelations of things. We're going to see the veil torn away, we are living in the time or revelation and I know you had already said that that you've spoken to very many different people that are saying the same thing because it's true. The veils being torn away and we're beginning to see things that have been long hidden from us because according to the systems of the secret doctrines that are taught in the occult fraternities

45:02 What happened is in this involutionary process we had been going through, the dense physical individuation of us in this reality was an important stepping stone. But in order to get through that process we had to be separated away from the etheric portion that we were once attuned to in order to achieve this full process of individuation which is the ultimate goal of this evolutionary process according to these secret doctrines. We're supposed to maintain our individuated self, the I am, the I within man, this individuated person but still have connection back to source many have misconstrued this in the realms of spirituality in the past and still do and they claim that essentially what happens is when we die we go back to source and we become merged once again with the Godhead That's not the case that's not what the intention

45:55 has ever been. We were intended to be individuated beings, but still have this connection or communion back with source with our creator and this is what the process of this evolutionary model given by the Rosicrucians points out so the inversion of that is of course to become part of a collective and this is the inversion of the natural principle or the natural order of things yes because we're supposed to be individuated but but they want us part of a collective, a hive mind if you will. This is where the whole transhumanist element of everything comes in." Yes do not go into the manufactured eighth sphere people! The digital realm they're trying to put this fork in the road and steer you off into that direction when...the reason they've chosen now is because it seems like we are supposed to go back up to as you say like getting some of our spiritual gifts

46:50 being better at recognizing that connection not feeling so cut off, that is the you know it's not a collective but it is a common connection to. You know the big old consciousness in the sky or something but its funny imagine fukunelle because u do bring up the great cross of henday and the book i had jay widener here now long ago talking about that he thought it was a signpost to the underground cities marking at time when do expect the surface to be going through cataclysmic events so you gotta find them out on the cross and day and get down to the underworld you have a different take that.

47:28 includes this concept of the black star. And I want to squeeze this into the first hour, cause it'll at least at least sets the tone for where we might be going in a second. But this theme of the black star probably the most compelling thing in the book to me sort of like a planet X or Nibiru idea of a celestial body coming in and disrupting the worldly order almost on like a loop But here you write the black star is a slow moving electromagnetic anomaly that has entered our solar system and is affecting the inner planets including earth, group of independently funded research scientists not associated with the mainstream academic systems of officialdom.

48:06 important to point that out, have been tracking this anomaly for some time now. Much of the information regarding the black star was disclosed publicly by scientist and inventor Weston Warren in an attempt to warn the masses of the upcoming events that this anomaly heralds." In one interview, Warren tells us the following most likely this is what caused the flood of Noah's day. This inbound electromagnetic anomaly it will eventually exit out of our solar system and we'll be jettisoned out between earth and Mars sometime in early 2028. And this interview Warren tells us the following concerning black stars effects upon society based on historical references and ancient texts

48:48 These anomalies seem to hit when mankind is at a critical junction where mankind needs a correction. I'm putting it politely like say mankind gets to a point where they're very violent or in ancient times there were evidences of genetic manipulation, genetic experiments Maybe there was an interaction of human and non-human intelligence from a scriptural perspective. It might relate to talks about maybe fallen angels or watchers, some people might say alien meaning non-human carbon based whatever that might be think of solar system harmonics or picture a fine Swiss watch where gears are turning. And there's a hand indicator that when things line up and there needs to be a correction with human society this anomaly shows up

49:34 Wow. Now I know a lot of people listening are skeptical of space stuff and specifically space threats because we hear about so many space threats and you know, add this to the list but it does get even more compelling why this might be actually something as opposed to other things or maybe when people have tried to highlight planet X or Nibiru this is what they were talking about but But elaborate on the Black Star and how you see this playing out, and how it might connect to the true meaning of that Great Krasahende. Well essentially what's been revealed about this black star anomaly... This is a real thing okay? This is not something that I made up out of thin air or something there there is a group of people research scientists

50:23 that got disgusted with academia and with all of the processes that surround all of that. And they decided to take on fields of study of their own, and one of the main things they study is called field theory Now this is the antithesis of quantum theory and all of the other things we've been handed—relativity theory all of that stuff that mainstream science hands us. It's a different framework for understanding the machinations of reality and it can be hearkened back to the ether physics of the late 1800s into the early 1900's, which has taken a back door with the introduction of the Michelson-Morley experiment. Now, Mickelson-Morley experiment according to whoever you talk to will demonstrate one of two things now The official claim is that it discredited the existence of an ether but if you speak to people who are more knowledgeable about this in fact it did prove the existence of an ether

51:18 So there's actually a research group that came about in, I think it was New Zealand or Australia back in the 1990s. That decided to redo the Michelson-Morley experiment but turn the apparatus 90 degrees and this in fact proved the existence of an ether It's called liquid gravity if you want to look up that term So this is something that, you know there's bones to it. These theories and stuff like this theoretical physics are not something of fiction It's a different framework for understanding reality and some would actually claim that it gives us a better view of how things really operate And this anomaly has been tracked by this research group Dr Weston Warren

52:04 is a part of this and he's been one of the main proponents of this he tried to speak people about this has been heavily censored and had threats in everything level against him. And is reluctant to speak to people about it but i had that the privilege of actually speaking with him personally on a number of occasions, And the guy is solid. He knows his science, he's a double PhD, he's legit and the group that he's aligned with are also legit research scientists and they've been tracking a lot of these different things that have been going on in our physical reality right now that they can show scientific merit to things like geomagnetic excursion which is well underway since the Carrington event

52:47 And we're seeing that and perhaps the approach of this black star anomaly. might trigger some geomagnetic effects here, even up to and including potential pole shift. So there's different things that relate to this but this anomaly has been tracked so it's coming from the same portion of the sky that Jay Widener and Vincent Bridges pointed to as where the center-of-the-galaxy alignment is...that they equated to the cross at Henday But essentially it's in the same spatial area Where this black star has been approaching from the other big thing not to cut you off but it does appear us in the sky as an eight pointed star. So ding ding here's the imagery from the great cross of henday and if im interpreting these images to mean something it really seems like the bottom right suggest that the sun with his crazy face like the sun is gonna have extreme activity and its like

53:47 I don't know what to make of the first one it's got the free masons square but not the compass and all on all four quadrants of what looks like it could be there then it's like black star shows up. Moon seems weird sun goes crazy that's kind of what it seems like it is depicting so maybe jay widener didn't have the context of, this particular star they were looking at galactic center i don't see galactic center here i see a eight-pointed star which is apparently this anomaly well that's wideners interpretation of this eight pointed star symbol that you have up there in the top right corner and this is on one of the faces of the cross of hindi so this is what the interpretation was that was offered by them and at the time it made sense

54:34 when they were doing this because remember if I'm not mistaken, I think Widener did a lot of this work in the early 2000's. So this was prior to the 2012 date that he was trying to align this too and the whole galactic center idea was prominent and he's not the only one that had made this connection to the galactic center as being one of the reasons for geomagnetic excursion and for different anomalies happening here there's also Dr Paul LaViolette at had written a book where he talked about much of this stuff too, and Widener had pretty much come to some of the same conclusions that it has to do with the alignment of the galactic center. But the point I make is at that time nobody was aware of this black star anomaly and this black star anomaly is coming from the same portion of the ecliptic, the southern ecliptic

55:23 where they say the galactic center is. So it seems to me that this points to perhaps something a little more substantial than just the galactic center being part of this now, part of the original interpretation that Widener and Vincent Bridges made of The Cross of Henday was it was a warning about the year 2012 They tried to calculate this into real time real world things And we see how 2012 came and went, and it doesn't seem like anything obvious happened. But we're talking about a concept known as the end of time. What would the end of time look like? If we had an incursion into our world from a timeless realm what would that look like? This is where we have to really begin to think critically about this stuff

56:12 we don't know what that would look like. What would it look like if the end of time came upon us? Would it mean that everything stops moving and everything stops working? Not necessarily, It might be a quote-unquote slow incursion not everything happening all at once or all of a sudden a sudden shift in things but maybe a slow beginning the revelation of some very strange things or anomalies happening in reality. This might be one explanation that's plausible for things like the Mandela effect, maybe the end-of-time did come in 2012 when they predicted but we don't know what we're looking at

56:49 and things are beginning to manifest in different ways, where we have this incursion of a timeless realm the etheric portion of this reality into dense physicality here. And we have all of these weird things happening now there's a lot of things encoded on the cross at hand day and we could probably do an entire show just talking about all of that but I've done a pretty thorough breakdown in the book about this people are more interested in finding some of the minutiae of details with it but you see how the moon symbol is a stylized boat and this is of importance to because this is pointing to the notion, open arc and ark of safety in this is one of the main tenants of the whole not clarity. Is this dichotomy between?

57:34 the Ark of Safety, and the Infernal Ark which is represented by the second Enoch. This was actually the first Enoch, this was the first son, the first born of Cain back in the old biblical lineage So his son was born named Cain and he named a city in the underworld after Cain, or Enoch excuse me. So Enoch was the firstborn of Cain and Cain named the city of Enoch in the land of Nod which I identify as the Underworld He named that city Enoch and some researchers and occult study

58:15 people have equated this i am losing words here people who study the occult okay have come to realize that maybe the city and the being that they are one in the same thing so enoch. In the underworld being one of the same as the city of enoch So this is an interesting thought as well, and we have the polar opposite of that represented with this whole cross of Hende. The lower portion representing Enoch in the underworld, and the upper portion representing the ascended Enoch—the Enoch everybody's familiar with who was transfigured into the angel Metatron who travels the universe in Metatron's cube which is a representation of the New Jerusalem in the Bible which is a white cube so you have a black cube and a white cube

59:01 represented with the cross of Hende. And it talks about this connection between the two of them, how at the end of time and the end of days, the day of judgment these two cubes will meet in the center which is the earth here and they'll open up. And what does this look like? Well, hard to say for sure what it looks like in the physical reality but we're talking about these are all metaphorically described in the etheric portion so these are spiritual visions okay this kind of thing that's being described here when you look at the book of Revelation, this is John the Revelator peering into the spiritual realms and describing what he sees in the spiritual realms. What this looks like in the physical world? That's open for debate I don't know might look like a lot of things might look like a pole shift...I don't know! I don't have the answers but this is just the stuff that

59:53 been revealed in the different scriptures and the different contexts of the occult teachings when you look at them, and you can see the different mythological archetypes and everything present with all this. So it's about that end-of-time scenario will be the meeting of these two spiritual realms—that lower spiritual realms and higher spiritual realms here in the physical earth realm this opening up of our senses, our spiritual senses to recognizing more of these spiritual realities around us. So that's what it essentially looks like so I hope i'm not losing anybody out there It's a lot to take in Yeah! I wouldn't think so...it's just that we hear so many different concepts breaking down like what's about to happen or these important time periods and it does seem like the elite are scrambling to complete their plans

1:00:50 This is your revealing thing you can see how it spirals out of control because one thing gets revealed and then to cover that up someone else's woman release this part, because they want a bigger story out there and then you gotta compensate for that story and i just know balls because you're trying to keep the. Spotlight off of you and your cronies and you're trying to expose other parts the system it's like two kids getting in trouble heated this all that what he did that when he hit me we call me this name. It just its a bunch revealing is just like being vomited out from the elite so definitely interesting time and maybe there's cosmic reasoning for it and, this could be a potential explanation for what's really going on behind the curtain i love it

1:01:38 Another great wild ride with the way and so before i catch a loose let people know where to get more wane mccroy in their lives if they feel so inclined, i appreciate it greg as always people can find me at my website www dot chemical tech revolution dot com and recently set up so that. You could do direct memberships on my website rather than going through third parties like Spotify or YouTube or Rockfin, the various other platforms. sub stack. So you could subscribe directly on my website now and I do have some benefits there for members, for premium members that aren't anywhere else the one premium feature i just recently added is the ATR digital library so all of these different documents and sources and books and stuff that I read from there's a lot of them

1:02:30 that are right there on the website for the premium members there. So they could go ahead and download the PDF file of such-and-such a book, I have all kinds of different things on there. I recently had done a deep dive into the concept of Egregores and one of the books is by a guy named Mark Stavish. Yeah! I have that available on their called Egregores we just did a Crow Triple Seven episode on that it just released it was Episode 666 We designed it that way Hey now! So it's an interesting concept and that all aligns once again with this whole etheric principle I've been going on and on about. And this whole concept of the horse as a symbol, and the rider being some kind of a demonic possession or some such thing in attachment in that way to the etheric form. It all ties together but there are things like that. All these different documents

1:03:24 are kind of hard to find that are rare, that most people maybe haven't even heard of. I have a lot of that stuff on that digital library there so that's part of it and plus you have access to all the premium episodes and stuff there too So i do appreciate it Greg as always www.alchemicaltechrevolution.com Yes, there it is. Awesome. Well thank you so much the rabbit hole goes deep we're glad we have you on the case and you can share the insights as we go it's going to be a wild year for sure keep your heads on people and don't lose your mind but thanks again Wayne take care

1:04:07 All right. All right, there it is great to talk to Wayne again. Like I said, March's interviews are all pre-recorded and I'm just going to pump them out too fast before taking the second half of March off. But I did move Wayne to the front of the line because it was so focused on what to expect this year and well now it's cooking just a few days after we recorded And we thought the disclosure files were going to be the big thing to one up the Epstein files, but I guess it should come as no surprise that the real one-up was just going to be good old fashioned war and regime change in the middle East.

1:04:45 We know Iran has been the big prize for basically our whole lives. If you go back to 2003, one of the most revealing things a general ever said was when Wesley Clark told us that some Pentagon think tank lackey told him the policy was going to be to take out seven Middle Eastern countries in five years Iraq Syria, Lebanon, Libya Somalia Sudan and I ran as the capstone I've always kept that in mind as to what the general plan is. Of course it took longer than five years, but shoot for the stars and land on the moon they say. And as Catherine Austin Fitz has been saying they need to take out a bricks nation to try to build the global programmable money system and Iran is the best bet

1:05:40 They don't want to let any alternative to this global digital currency system exist at all, but they definitely can't let it be too big or a viable alternative for people to opt into. And it seems both Israel and Saudi Arabia want this and Israel has the management class all compromised in Saudi Arabia launders are petro dollars for us so they are Kind of in charge and they're gonna push through something that no actual citizen wants. And a lot of lives will be disrupted or ended because of it and

1:06:19 If the Epstein files taught me anything, it's really that no protests are really from the ground up. I don't expect to see protests over this war because they won't be engineered. We've seen nationwide protests because a single guy was killed by police that has happened more than once we've seen nationwide protest to guard and protect people who are here illegally Look plenty of good people just trying to make a humble living but by definition breaking the law we seem to have plenty of protests that defend them. But when it becomes mainstream cannon that the elite are abusing kids at a massive scale and every way you can imagine,

1:07:08 Not a single crowd has formed that tells me that it was always organized by political opposition. And there is no political opposition to the Epstein stuff because they're all in on it and there's no political opposition to what the big plan is. So again, No protests or very little Just another suspicion confirmed, but what's new these days coming back to Wayne though. I obviously like him a lot. I don't think he should beat himself up too much about being wrong on this year's super bowl prediction. Some people who do predictions for a living are never right and that doesn't stop them. But I also totally understand doing something out of a feeling of obligation or expectation and not really having your heart in it and feeling rushed

1:07:59 And for predictive stuff, that's probably the worst conditions in which to give a prediction. His book is good though he has a lot to be proud of we talked a lot about this year being the year of the fire horse. Of course, we've been on that since the interview with donut and the Jesse Jackson thing I mentioned from SK bay man, that was a big mind blower for me And I asked myself this week about a symbolic association between horses and Iran. And broadly, it did feel like something was there, but when you actually get into the details, the horse is a major symbol in Iran

1:08:40 War horse, of course is a thing. But Iranian mythology has several major horse themes. They also have the nice Ian horse, a special breed for royalty that is ubiquitous with the region. The encyclopedia Iranica which is a real day not just one of my puns calls these symbol of the horse integral quote unquote to Iranian culture But just as we would have been able to say, this is the year of the fire horse a decade ago. This has also always been in the predictive models and the time is just here. The American empire and the predator class was never going to go quietly into retirement after destroying the husk that is America. This is them kicking and screaming as they're being taken to a very long time out by the rest of the world

1:09:34 Their plans will ultimately fail. And I think a better world will exist on the other side, and that's what we are here to facilitate. I think that's our role in living through this chaos is to be the ones who say, you know, here are some things we could do this time That might make it all better. And we're here to be sanctuary for those who are just so flabbergasted by the chaos and ignorant of what's been taken from us, and we can shepherd them along that's what I try to do with the show and what I think every listener can do in their own little inner circle

1:10:13 So anyway, good interview. Always great to keep Wayne in your stable. No pun intended the second hour is great too. We really ran with the black star thing that's another rail to all this is the possible cataclysmic event, another cycle that maybe runs right along with this. But we talked about David Bowie and his last album, the black star and the strange timing around its release and his quote unquote death. We talked about Wayne's interview with Elon's old babysitter that was pretty wild. We got into blood secrets and copper verse iron. And I think there's some deep

1:10:53 symbolism there that goes back to the beginning. And we talked about the vital body by Max Heindel and the Rosicrucian model for the layers of what really makes up a person that we don't always see acknowledged, really diverse fun interview signup or plus and get in here already links right in the show notes seven day free trial to get you started 15 years of interviews in the archive. You know, the deal I also did want to bring this up from Ryan Gable that fits with this interview really well and speaks to the deeper symbology of why this time seems to have been chosen for the attack. That happened right after I recorded this, Ryan says another religious ritual beginning with the blood sacrifice of children in Iran Amalek is the archetypical enemy of Judaism which includes both all non-Jews and Orthodox Jews

1:11:49 Operation Epic Fury, February 28th 2026 is a rare convergence of high stakes religious and celestial events. It falls in the middle of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan near the beginning of the Christian season of Lent and just 48 hours before the Jewish holiday of Purim which commemorates the survival of Jews against the ancient Persian threat This spiritual perfect storm is amplified by a rare six-planet alignment, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn Uranus and Neptune appearing in the sky tonight an event often interpreted by various faiths as a significant sign or omen. The launch of Operation Epic Fury against Iran on this specific day adds a layer of intense symbolic weight

1:12:36 as the military action occurs during a time of global fasting and prayer while mirroring the historical themes of the upcoming Purim holiday. October 7, 2001 was the Jewish holiday of Sukkot. I don't know, I don't speak Yiddish. What do you want from me? And the day the Bush administration initiated operations in Afghanistan March 20th 2003 was the Jewish holiday of Perum and the day of operation Iraqi freedom began with preemptive strikes on a country that did not possess WMDs October 20th 2011 was the Jewish holiday of

1:13:17 Shemini at Zerat and the day Libya was officially overthrown with the death of Gaddafi. September 22nd, 2014 was the first day of Rosh Hashanah and also the day the U.S officially intervened in Syria against ISIS with Operation Inherent Resolve October 7th 2023 The date when Israel allowed Hamas to attack them giving rise to the current onslaught of Palestinians from that date onward was also a celebration of Shemini at Zerit and a transition of Saturn returns through Pisces

1:13:53 In other words, it appears that Holy Jewish days seem to synchronize with major wars and the overthrow of governments. This aligns with the Jewish tradition of blood sacrifices on holy days from Passover to Yom Kippur...to all the rest of them! It's an act of ritual magic just as shock-and-awe in Iraq Hmm. Great added context, right? Well let's move on to talking about the last THC episode review because it ties into something else I want to put out there, but Jay Dyer lots of mixed feelings, lots of people not loving his general adherence to orthodoxy which shows in his comments about females and

1:14:34 Also just the way he brings up anal sex as part of Gnosticism or sacred knowledge in general, as if all sacred knowledge can be dismissed because it's all just about anal sex in the end. Look, that is in there in the secret societies and the OTO. We've heard about ritual sex magic and all that, but there is just so much to sacred knowledge and the Gnostic journey and sacred geometry, and just learning about the world outside of the Christian paradigm that you just can't throw it all under anal sex and just dismiss it all as like this is a negative abomination of God. Of course, that's just my opinion, but look

1:15:18 Jay does a lot of work in a lot of different areas that aren't my cup of tea. But when he puts out an esoteric Hollywood book, well we're going to talk to him about it because we started and I think that's a fun thing to do every so often. And maybe that is the last one he puts out number three who knows? But the rating is in seriously a sad place with a flat 4.0 I mean wow. That is a special class because 4.2, 4.3 is the usual floor and maybe only one or two interviews a year fall through it. But this might be one of them. It is early still the number of ratings as low so there will probably be a bounce back but I get it if I was trying to put my finger on exactly why it would likely be those sorts of comments that I just mentioned

1:16:14 And I know we have all sorts of people listening who enjoy this show. It's a beautiful thing, but if my cards are on the table... And it isn't obvious already. I'm more aligned with the Gnostic path of self-directed self discovery. Yeah, mistakes are going to be made dead ends will be found, but this is how we find our way. We fail up with anything you want to accomplish everyone says it is a matter of how quickly you can get through your failures, how easily you can deal with your failures until you get to your success That's how all success is arrived at and that also to me speaks to spiritual success or this path of discovery it's not going to be absolutely perfect in pristine but to me it is the only option that makes sense you gotta operate from a place of curiosity and love.

1:17:07 and playfulness, some would say. I find that to be a little bit of a lame term but I do agree with it and it's all good now this is heresy too many people and I'm not advocating debauchery which is how its often framed It's all balance you gotta have your shit together to a degree just so you can even make space for pushing on the edges of things looking inward and not just being in total panic mode over the next bill or whatever So I find myself more aligned with the Miguel Connors and Gordon Whites of the world, more so than the Jay Dyers. But I'm very used to being able to navigate a conversation with all sorts of different people. It's fine but sometimes the Christians get on my case

1:17:52 And I know that I have another interview that's going to air in March where it's borderline combative on my part. Look, I will let you pontificate one or two times but on time three, I'm gonna push back sorry if we could just leave our differences alone great but you are in my house But when that happens, the Christians in the audience ask me why I care so much or why I think Christianity is some sort of problem. And it's mostly just about groupthink and labels Right now, there's a story that hundreds of complaints are coming from soldiers in our military who are not cool with their commanders saying that this war and Iran is meant to spark Armageddon as many of our guests have talked about. And that this is a Christian fight and that this is all for God and all the shit we've heard 1000 times but now our military is quite diverse. We have Muslims and atheists and whatever else in there now

1:18:52 They don't want to be told that this is a biblical mandate. And if you're a free thinker, if you refuse to accept any label or ideology then you can't get swept up in the rhetoric and Christians will say well Greg come on now that is not really Christian. That's just Christianity being hijacked well fine it's clearly working on millions of people and all three Abrahamic religions that they now have a role to play in the big finale I just said we had a role to play in the big finale, but that's different. And since I can't control all other people, all I can do is separate myself and say that ain't for me."

1:19:34 If you want to say the problem is me trying to direct my own life or me being pro using psychedelics as a tool, Or concluding that not all spiritual beings are demons. Or saying that tried and tested manifestation techniques should be part of your arsenal towards achieving your goals. And we do all have a path and there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that and wanting to do well in wanting to push forward on your path You think that stuff is the darkness? Look in the fucking mirror and look at what's going on with your team. I wouldn't be so pious, and I wouldn't be so quick to identify with that team."

1:20:16 When I say religions are about mind control, this is largely what I'm talking about. There are long strings of time where it doesn't seem that relevant or that big of a problem, but these are the times that constantly pop up and recur every decade or so where it gets really fucking obvious that it's a big part of how they accomplish these goals. They get into a group, you know the real demons they worm their way in to being an authority within some group and then they steer that group towards whatever they want. So decentralize all of the things including your own ideology and spiritual beliefs I think God's cool with it He made this place Look at what is going on with Turning Point It is easy to say from the outside that it looks so obvious what happened And now it appears to be a failed mission

1:21:14 But I see Erica Kirk selling out arenas all over the country. Is that a failed mission? I don't know it's because so many people are just not thinking for themselves, they just say, I know I'm Christian. They say they're Christian. So tell me what Christians are supposed to do and think in this scenario and here's some money If we as a people had outgrown these three major religious boxes by now, would they be able to carry out this plan? Something many people should ask themselves. And what would it take for you to break off and just say, you know what?

1:21:54 I'm just an independent now, and I'm going to love God and man in the ways that make sense to me. But I cannot sign off on this war or associate with a group of people who think this is their religious duty well all right end rant. I think conversations with people I'm unaligned with are still interesting and they're important in this one coming up oh boy But I imagine that is part of the harsh rating for Jay, but I wish him well. And it seems like people enjoyed the song that I made at the end of the Epstein thing more than almost any other. I wanted to talk about this and I said, it would be there to download when I put that out and I was slow to add it so I apologize. It is there now it's added plus people can go to the bonus content page and it's on a long list as The Real Monsters. And I'll probably end this show with it too still relevant. It is one of my favorites as well

1:22:57 And I had an idea that relates to the AI closing song. So, I feel like I started with AI music and AI intros pretty early. I felt like it was novel for at least the first month or so. Now I see it everywhere just like you guys and I don't like it! My intros...I do like the visual aesthetic and I'll probably keep it or just refine it to try to make sure artifacts and really looks like that 1950s Twilight Zone footage. I'd say about half the clips do, and half the clips need a little work but it is what it is so the songs I've been making to close out this show

1:23:43 I was talking to my buddy who did some of the cover songs when I was doing those. And, I think I might ironically move backwards and write my own lyrics to songs and then use AI to come up with a rough version of the arrangement I had in mind and then pass it off to my buddy to actually recreate the song that way and not use AI in the final product anymore Let's push it forward and do something else different because I do enjoy the creative outlet. It gives me, the irony is that everybody finds to be so uncreative but for me it is like a tool that I'm using to take the things in my head and put them out there in a visual and auditory form but I just don't like it overall. I've soured on the tool as we all have and it might be a good solution I think

1:24:32 We'll just have to try it and see I'm open to your thoughts, but it probably has to be experienced to make a judgment call on. But I imagine most people want to hear a real guy But I also called it in too soon on the last wrap up and didn't even do the meetup calendar thing. So let me do that before I forget, all right? Busy busy March we got events all throughout so this weekend Saturday, March 7th, we got to, we got Rosa Christian park in San Jose California and we got Gilbert Arizona desert monks brewing now. We also have one March 9th at

1:25:09 North coat, I think is how you might pronounce it. But this is an Auckland New Zealand at north coat tavern and then March 14th poor house barbecue We got the nudists in Canaan New Hampshire be prepared March 15 Sunday st Paul Minnesota black stack brewing. I think that's new And then March 19th, wrap Skelly and report. We got some going on. They say you get a free pint for any THC fans because the general manager and bartender are fans of the show, but they haven't put the location so stop teasing us with those free beers and tell us where the meetup is happening

1:25:51 And then Friday, April 10th Amsterdam. We got rune supers looking to meet up with THC fans at a location at the belly of the beast in Amsterdam that should be fun and Fargo North Dakota stay away from the wood chippers April 12th front street tap room and then we got the nudist getting together again May 1st in Kanaan New Hampshire Let's let the nudist meet up one time and make sure it goes well before we start just assuming that the new to us always want to meet up. I'm just kidding. I'm sure they already do, but now it's on our calendar too go forth and check out higher side meetups.com for more details. We don't want to leave our hosts hanging in there put themselves out there. And if any of these events are near you show up for them because it will be fun

1:26:44 All right. Well, I told you they're going to come quick and March the next two are both good, but for different reasons that are both very different from each other. And I'll give you a tip and say the next one is an interview. I really wanted to get with Bob Grenier if you want to refresh your memory go back and listen to Andrew Johnson about a month or two ago about directed energy weapons at nine 11. And, uh, now the issue with this interview is that Bob goes pretty damn deep into the technical details and the science of cold fusion. Then I could see some people bowing out on it's like someone explaining how the cell phone works. It's like, yeah, this cell phone, the smartphone. This is incredible. I can do all sorts of things with it. I don't know if I want to listen to a one hour lecture on how it works. Just give me the damn thing.

1:27:34 But stick it out. Number one, you want to hear a guy go through the details so that you can vet if he even knows what he's talking about and I think he does, you know, even if you have to guess because you don't understand at all, it's still very useful in that way. But especially for plus people when we get to that second hour and he talks about cloning and exotic applications of all sorts of wild stuff. You will be glad that you stuck through it and you owe it to yourself too, to wrap your mind around what's been taken from us? What the natural system can provide but we've been denied in exchange for a meter controlled electricity and oil based everything else

1:28:20 There is a better world on the other side of all this stuff going on, but you've got to know about it for it to come about. So I think it's a really important interview that I was afraid would get too technical and for the first half, it probably did. And also there is an email in the Epstein files where Big Jeff himself tells someone that he killed ponds years ago, quote unquote. He means intellectually not actually killed, but he says that he killed ponds years ago meaning pawns of ponds and Fleischman which is exactly the legacy that Bob is carrying forth. Bob is a founder or co-founder of the Fleishman memorial project so

1:29:08 You know, he's right in that mix and this is just so interesting. And out of spite for Epstein who personally claimed to be involved with suppressing this learn about it. And that's it for me. Thank Wayne, check out more of his stuff keep your head on straight be the port in the storm that people around you are going to need and I'll see you next time this is what i do and I've done my part Your move synchromystic reality script writers black star supporters and artificial eighth sphere advocates You're fucked Sorry you can't sleep tonight Mama says you're scared I hear

1:29:50 Well, I've checked in every corner and promised there's nothing to fear. Well at least not in your room kid it might be the only place you're safe So you might as well relax now There's much more to fear when you're awake The reals are out running everything They're way worse than you can imagine Don't be scared of your own

1:30:29 You can't be bothered by the dark in this life, cause no night light's bright enough out there. So at least in here be tough. Sounds can be. It's just a little. Wait until the stress up all your dreams and joy. Sure I'll check inside. Can crack the door again. Real monsters are out way worse than you can imagine. Don't be scared.

1:31:29 You can't be bothered by the dark in this life, cause no night light's bright enough! Out there so at least in here be tough. Gotta say goodnight and sweet dreams Daddy needs some sleep as well Tomorrow you'll be playing grocery store while I'll be walking through a well-engineered hell So don't you worry yourself about it Your well protected here tonight

1:32:07 Insulated from a thousand different nightmares that get very real and I think you'll be alright. The real monsters are outrunnin' They're way worse than you can imagine Scared of your You can't be bothered by the dark in this life Cause no night light's bright world out there So at least in here, be tough