Wayne Bush | Tricked By The Light 2: Fairy Tales, Loosh, & The A.I. Demiurge

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01:36 What a world, people. From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and it's been said that those who don't see this reality as a stage for suffering and their lives is an ultimate tragedy have just not lived long enough to experience the pain of the deep losses we'll all get to eventually And having a few good years mixed in only twists the knife We're born into a world of artificial scarcity run by a psychopathic parasitic capstone cabal thrust into a secular system of life-eats-life consumption and trained to give away our precious time do career pursuits where very few ever get paid close to what they're worth in an illusionary paper chase to nowhere.

02:14 Who designed the little games we play here on the physical plane, and for what purpose? Does the soul school model hold any water when we start each incarnation with a cold unforgiving memory wipe? And has this illusionary reality all been engineered to optimize the incremental generation of negative energy for some unseen astral parasites to feed upon. Well one has to wonder about this island earth when you really start looking at things under the hood and nobody is up in them guts like The Great Wayne Bush Wayne is the man behind the long-standing viral sensation trickedbythelight.com where he asks the deep questions of if we are stuck in some kind of life loop energy farm and if we've been conditioned from cradle to grave to go towards the light as they say when the time comes and unfortunately end up right back here for another stint in this sick soul prison we call life

03:05 Wayne was our guest way back in 2015, and one of his first interviews for an episode I still get a ton of comments about. And it seems like it's time to dust off the old arconic parasite energy farm soul cycle hypothesis once again with the man who knows it well He is the life loop deception decoder illusionary reality revealer and tricked by the light teacher Wayne Bush It has been some time how the hell are ya? Pretty good, man. Good to see you again Greg and yeah it's been a minute what an introduction that's awesome! Yeah well man it's all part of the nine-to-five for me at this point but I am psyched to have you back You were kind enough to stop into the Austin meetup event and say hey in person which I appreciated And it just made me remember how much I liked this theory of yours and how fun it was to go over all the supporting evidence across films songs language corporate brands like Pine Sol and SunKissed

03:59 and things you find all sorts of unexpected places. Obviously we don't just want to retread old ground, but help me reintroduce this premise to people and talk about how it's evolved or changed in the last seven years Yeah, sure. I mean, I just want to say first off, I'm just an average guy. I'm a researcher and kind of a philosopher and you know, I don't pretend to know the truth for certain. And I think anyone really does know exactly what happens after death for certain at least. So a lot of this is just speculation and opinion. And I might be wrong but yeah, I think each person needs to go within and see what resonates as truth for them. So yeah, I've been exploring the question whether the white light

04:38 at death is the best option or whether it just may be a portal as an eventual reincarnation back to Earth and it's an essential question that I ask, Intending in any way to generate fear or paranoia for anyone. I'm just looking at near-death experiences But also OBEs or out of body experiences pre birth memories psychedelic experiences alien abductions Meditation mythology ancient texts, but as far as evolving Yeah And a lot is has come along since way back seven years ago when I was like my second interview and now I've gotten more deeply into the near death Experiences phenomena and everywhere I look

05:15 I've been reading a lot of books and studying stuff, and every area of research that I look into pretty much corroborates the theory or at least shows me that it merits some attention. Oh for sure, and that's probably the biggest addition to the website in recent years is all the near-death experience reports you have. Probably hundreds at this point And I do really love these subliminal messages peppered across pop culture and in Hollywood films in particular Your website shows just how many movies actually invoke the tunnel of light motif from titles to posters to key scenes

05:51 Just talking about posters, some of them that look like a tunnel of white light are The Ring, Prison Break, Prometheus, Moon, Close Encounters Of The Third Kind, Surrogates, Moonraker and the classic Nicolas Cage film Knowing. And that's really just the tip of the iceberg, but we also have all the old god references in Hollywood like Columbia Pictures and the Oscar statue is actually a dead ringer for the Egyptian God Ptah. Something that nobody else has really hit on except you to my knowledge is that The National Academy Of Arts & Sciences is Satan backwards! Really good find

06:32 But in the last seven years there really haven't been a ton of good or even interesting movies come out. I would say Arrival and Annihilation are kind of interesting and creative, they don't really fit the Tunnel Of Light motif but have you seen any films in recent years that you could slide in right along the examples we talked about back in the day? Yeah, I mean I think the best examples were the ones we did talk about seven years ago And I probably mentioned like you know the Star Trek pilot episode The Cage or Menagerie where these like creatures who kind of resembled a little graze Had Pike in prison with this invisible force field and as it kinda like a theater for them? I probably mentioned films like The Matrix and Truman Show. And I know we talked about the prisoner TV series. I remember that

07:15 And you know, maybe something like poltergeist or they live and there's also that Star Trek Voyager clip where Captain Janeway his father was trying to get her to go into the Matrix of light in order to nourish him. And then the Finding Nemo and Bugs Life clip where the fish and bugs were lured toward the light. But I would say like recently, I haven't really been keeping up with movies as much as I used to but obviously The Latest Matrix movie would be one that would match the pattern or theme of this being a matrix. And then I've discovered some anime...I don't know if they're within the last seven years but they're new for me and there's one called Soul Eater And Ion Flux seems very much in parallel with the Matrix. There's one called Overlord, which kind of talks about the Demiurge but yeah there are quite a few recently. One that i really liked is the movie Soul, which was a Disney Pixar movie and it was basically written by Pete Docter who also wrote and directed Monsters Inc., where these monsters were

08:10 harnessing the energy of the screams of children so that they could power their own world. And so, Pete Docter he's like pretty much the CCO of Pixar which is a subsidiary Disney. So this is not small potatoes obviously and then in the movie that protagonist Joe his last name is Gardner and he has this NDE and immediately finds himself on this darkness or void and very shortly he sees the white light And there's this long line of souls on like an escalator or conveyor belt-like contraption and setting up into the white light which they call The Great Beyond. And he's like saying, man I have a gig tonight! I can't die!" Like he has this dream of having this huge jazz gig so he starts heading away from the light and those souls are telling him that I don't think you're supposed to go that way but of course he's not ready to die... So it kind of depicts them taking

09:00 his sovereignty and his free will and power in his own hands instead of being led like a mindless sheep. So he stopped the process, went away from the light. And so as these other souls are entering the light you hear this crackling electrical buzzing sound that sounds like a bug zapper. He's like what was that? and alarms him, right? And so I don't know he runs away from the light and then he falls through what appears to be like this grid of lines which is kind of like a nod to the theory that maybe we're inside a grid or matrix. So you know he becomes his mentor for soul named 22 which might imply it's kinda old soul right? 22 is very low number but 22 doesn't want go back to earth at one point they even have to use like a lasso harness

09:40 And so, eventually 22 goes back to Earth with him. And the soul is like saying I already know everything about Earth and it's not worth the trouble and one of the counselors would say well you can't crush a soul here that's what life on earth is for. So at one point in the movie Joe and 22 are in this subway station and they're hearing this street singer playing the guitar and he's singing this song called Parting Ways and one of the lines says if the purpose be to recycle life... So I mean the movies talking about recycling and souls, and you know the sparks and the purpose of life. So I thought that was a really good movie. Yeah yeah very on-the-nose! I've seen it and obviously you picked up on a lot more of the details there that are relevant to the overall thesis but yeah just the soul conveyor belt part i definitely thought about your work

10:28 how they are all kind of like zombified on this conveyor belt and he goes a different way. And then that's why there is a story because he does something different, and just to add another layer to the Hollywood animation stack, of course Pixar is interesting Disney has a real deep history of being quite interesting. You did write a really detailed piece called The Occult Luciferian Meaning Of Disney Fairy Tale Princess Maidens And you ask, what is a fairy tale? Well fairies are mischievous beings who kidnap people and take them to magical realms. Nymphs or some say spirits of the dead and funny enough so many Disney princess films involve this sort of magical enchantment of a beautiful woman and in many of them a sort of classic

11:22 Fairy tale style seduction you know snow white eats the apple cinderella's enchantment wears off at midnight sleeping beauty needs no explanation bell and beauty in the beast is held captive in an enchanted mansion the little mermaid makes a deal with proverbial crossroads in a way to be human but loses her voice and even Aladdin is trying to seduce or enchant the princess with magic as is Jafar, but you can take it a lot deeper than that. Can't you? Yeah, just real quick before I get into that. I just want to mention like a few other movies There's free guy where it's talking about NPCs and we're how they was video game Characters and then sausage party where like the food in the grocery store are like calling the humans their gods But then they find out that they're being eaten And used for energy and there wasn't the movie moonfall or these? Astronauts were being pulled into this tunnel that leads to the core of the moon

12:21 And they're talking about being a trap and artificial intelligence. And basically, he kind of gets reincarnated in his in the moon and says am I still alive? It's like yeah we scanned your consciousness you're part of the moon now then you had Jupiter ascending and then the TV series The Good Place those are all really good ones for people that want to look deeper into it but yeah the Cinderella and the whole Disney everything that you went over just right there with the fairy tale is being like a fairy or nymph and that the fairies were called spirits of the dead right And it gets into the whole notion of ghosts and fairies, and they're like beautiful maidens as part of the definition of all that. And so when you look at the Disney, there are adaptations of fairy tales like we were talking about Snow White and Cinderella and Beauty and The Beast and all that. When we look at these and watch them, we ought to pay close attention to like the names or the Earth and Moon goddesses that the princesses represent. Like they're worshipped either as like a earth

13:18 Earth Mother Goddess or the Moon and they're usually represented by like Circe's or Cersei, or Persephone, or Demeter. And the Moon Goddess takes like three different forms there's a Maiden representing the New Moon, a Mother representing the Crescent Moon, or a Crone representing the Full Moon at the time of harvest and you'll see these in like movies I think well i can't remember whether it's Cinderella or Snow White but there's The Crone and all that even those the Wizard of Oz, you see all that. So maybe this lady that pagans and Wiccans talk about is it might be like the white lady that's mentioned in rock songs like Stairway to Heaven. It might be the white goddess that Robert Graves wrote about but it might even be this feminine white light presence so many near-death experiencers describe and I think it probably traces all the way back to the Sumerian Inanna

14:04 who's also Isis, and she was known as the Queen of Heaven and was a judge. And she had this jail that she presided over, and they talked about the radiance in the aura and that the lurer was very alluring or attractive light that people have found difficult to resist. So you know, the moon goddesses were like the Greeks Selene and Roman Diana who is also sometimes called Cynthia. And then you have the Roman Luna or Diana Gwen or Wendy or Carradine. And so this Isis, or Venus is like also a moon goddess and it's worshipped under variety of different names and cultures like Inanna, Ishtar, Freya, Isis, Aphrodite... So Snow White in the Seven Dwarfs was groundbreaking in many ways for Disney It was the first very first Disney movie as their first movie ever with a soundtrack but it was based on animated short that Disney produced called The Goddess Of Spring

14:57 And it borrowed from a fairy tale and the story was basically in the tale Freya or Venus is the goddess of love, and she's the concubine to King Odin. She wanted a gold necklace that four dwarves had made they said it only sell it if she agreed to sleep with each other for a night So anyway this Snow White character was based on the goddess Persephone and Freyja and then Cynthia or Cindy like one of the names of the moon goddess So like Artemis's name was Cynthia from the island which she and her brother were born in. Ella is like the feminine form of El, which means God right? So it's kind of implying that Cinderella is a goddess. In fact... Ella would kind of mean goddess and it was based on a fairy tale named cendrillion. I'm someone whose words, I can't pronounce too well But that means of the ashes or little ashes so it's like digging in the ashes and German So this tale by brothers grim Was called ashen puto which in ashes ashes and puto is sort of a polishing? so you're like polishing the ashes but

15:54 In Cendrillion, Cinderella is actually named Lucette. And she's the daughter of Pan-Dolph and so like Luke means light and Ette it's like a suffix for the feminine word so it's kind of like a little light or female light She had a black cat named Lucifer, right? So and then Sleeping Beauty's name is Aurora which means dawn and in Roman mythology or aura renews herself every morning and flies across the sky And she's announcing the arrival of the Sun which is very similar to Venus and Lucifer both called them Morning Star In fact Lucifer in Latin means light bearer or Lightbringer but

16:29 But like the biggest concept that Disney pedals is magic and the idea that your dreams can come true if only you believe in them. And so, they're kind of in the business of selling dreams and wishing they'll come true in physical reality. You know, the castles in Disneyland are like interesting because this new Schwastenthal castle is also called Venusburg. And Disney has this intro and they're showing, you know the second star to the right if you look very closely there's a couple stars and then it's like it's good for evening star of Venus! And in several their movies they're making it very very clear about that like in Pinocchio like Geppetto looks out the window and tells his cat

17:07 like, look the wishing star. You know I wish I might have the wish I make tonight and it's like the first star in the evening is Venus and like in... Oh! I can't remember the name of the movie but I think it was The Princess? I can't remember the name but they're very clear. I mean you have to listen very carefully but it's very clear that they're talking about the evening star or the morning star Venus. And so there are basically You know, they're kind of getting you to buy into these fairy tales which are unrealistic like you know To be a princess. I mean there's only a handful people on the planet that are going to be a princess or That you're gonna marry this prince charming who is wealthy and handsome and all that so yeah There's definitely a lot to the Disney stuff behind-the-scenes that people don't really realize Right! And of course the symbol most associated with magic The pentagram it's like you got these stars everywhere

18:01 It's just it's weird the stuff they're seeing in the minds of kids you could say that broadly. It all fits with the theme of Tricked by the Light because it's like moths to a bug zapper. We're subconsciously enchanted through our lives to be coaxed into the tunnel of light and back into the prison planet, you might as well embed those themes in the minds of kids right? Yeah! A lot of cartoons, you know Dragon Balls I mean there is this all over the place especially if we watch the cartoons its crazy. Oh yeah...I never thought about Dragon Ball that way Yeah, like I mentioned some of the anime like Soul Eater and Overlord and it's just all over the place. I like it! And let's switch gears and talk a little bit about Lush this is a term people use for The Energy these arconic parasites suck out of us? I've heard it here and there on forums in random places but I don't know if the term has been talked about much here but what can you tell us about this Lush theme

19:01 Well, you know loosh was a term that was coined by this pioneer of out-of-body experiencers named Robert Monroe I don't know if your listeners are very familiar with him and his works But he said these entities are feeding You know He had all kinds of OBE's and he said these entities are feeding off the loosh or the energy humans And he said that love was the cause type of LOOSH, like he said quote it is possible for you to perceive the destination of the rays of pure energy. You have called LOOSH or love as it penetrates into your earth space in several segments of what you call time and he says it's a specific observable result of exposure to the LOOSH or love radiation therefore it is the driving force the creative energy which motivates human thought and action see

19:48 requires, likes needs values collects drinks eats or uses as a drug. A substance identified is loose this is a rare substance in somewhere and those who possess loose find it vital for whatever its use for faced with this question of supply and demand Someone decided to produce it artificially, so to speak rather than search for it in its natural form. He decided to build a garden and grow Loosh. I turned inward picking up the Loosh rote. Loosh an energy generated by all organic life in varying degrees of purity, the clearest and most potent coming from humans

20:24 engendered by human activity, which triggers emotion the highest of such emotions being love. And then he asked is love loose? So it the term comes from Robert Monroe I believe and his out-of-body experiences and what he wrote about there's this other book in movie named The Astral City and it was based on astral traveler Andre Luis, and he had a whole chapter in the book called Love The Food of Souls. And it's just like this energy transfer can almost be seen like a type of feeding process and that... Yeah love nourishes the soul but it kind of also implies it is a type of food or energy source. He writes, love is the fundamental basis of all systems of nourishment in different spheres of life

21:12 Physical diet, properly considered is always a question of transitory materiality even here as in the case of the earthly machines that need grease and oil. Love and only love is the source of sustenance for the soul but we mustn't forget vehicles." And you know he just goes on basically saying that it's food or nourishment for life. Then Carlos Castaneda with the shamanism was talking about how we're being held. He says, indeed we are held prisoner this was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico it took over because we are food for them We are their sustenance just as we rear chickens and chicken coops The predators rears in human coops as human arrows that predators give us their mind which becomes our mind And he talks about fear at any moment is going uncovered and foods gonna be denied but

22:00 He says that predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever's convenient for them. And he said about the parasites, he said I did see some strange fleeting black shadow projected on the foliage of the trees and he was calling them like mud flyers and as if they're like gigantic swordfish flying in the air. So he was basically talking about this in some of his books and he was saying the best way is to silence them, inner silence works. You just basically ignore them or go within and there's that power of silence. Then you have books that talk about the psychic vampirism in The Celestine Prophecy, talks about how there is always an energetic dynamic between two people one person might be draining the other with energy And there was this psychologist named Edith Fiore she was a hypnotherapist and she wrote this book called Young Quiet Dead A Psychologist Treats Spirit Possession So many of her clients were having these spirit attachments

22:57 Even in this near-death experience for George Ritchie during his NDE he saw these spirits attaching themselves to people's auras like in bars, like living vicariously through them like smoking or drinking and it's pretty prevalent. I got a friend whose mom just, talk about the suffering. For like three years she was bedridden and couldn't really do anything for herself so he had to take care of her four or five times. Somebody else was there all the time but he was going in all the time and then at her final days he performed an exorcism because she had like three or four different personalities and it was cussing at him and you just wonder where this is coming from? And I was with my grandma

23:37 the week she died and she was talking to people that weren't there. And there was a hospice worker that had been there for 40 years, and I asked her do you ever see these white orbs of light? And she said yeah they'd come and go all the time. And I said well do you ever see these dark shadow beings? She just nodded her head. She didn't want to talk about it But there's this show called Paranormal Witness and they did a whole episode on like the Grim Reaper and you know, the Angel of Death. And they were saying that yeah I mean I've been doing hospice for seven years. I believe someone comes to get you...and there are these nurses forums out there that will-you can-there is like one thread that has got thousands of posts on these beings that are there. Damn! So, I think there is definitely something too it, you know?

24:21 Yeah, and I did an interview with Eve Lorgen once about her book The Love Bite Alien Interference in Human Love Relationships. And you touch on that as well kind of in that psychic vampire realm there really just is no shortage of terms and angles to this idea that we are being preyed upon by some unseen entity Seems to be that way. If you look at even the electromagnetic spectrum, which is just a tiny sliver of the overall energy that's out there in the cosmos but within that like electromagnetic spectrum There's this visible light You know what we see and what we hear is just another Like a tiny sliver like I don't know one in a billion or ten billion Of what's really out there? There's all these other dimensions and energies, you know, like

25:03 Gamma waves and all kinds of stuff. And so how do we know what we're perceiving is reality? and it really isn't it's just Waves that are interpreted by the brain or just electrical signals, right? And so you know even on their eye What we see is like images inverted on the retina It's this it's like a holographic system most likely Mm-hmm Yeah to go back to the Robert Monroe thing about love being the purest type of lush When we usually talk about entities feeding on us, it's usually thought of in terms of negative energy. Like this whole planet is designed to create as much fear and anxiety and stress as possible the news cycle everything that happens really amplifies negative energy so I just never have heard it talked about as love or positive energy being the purest type of loosh the purest type of food for these entities

26:02 But to go back to kind of that fairy tale romance in Hollywood and Disney, you could say that's kind of training for a sort of magical and much less practical love. This kind of emotionally amplified and very potent love I mean Disney is criticized all the time for it not being super realistic but if you are trying to generate emotion for some kind of thing out there This is exactly how you would craft relationships. This is what you would make them look like over and over and over again, it gets the people who are watching invested in that and generate their own emotion and it makes them unrealistic about their own relationships which causes all kinds of problems but if they approach relationships in that way its just the most emotionally highly charged

26:57 Way to depict male-female dynamics and that's interesting from the perspective of it being a type of food for something out there It really is you're right I mean There's so much you do feel so much love and all that energy is being generated from within And there's you know relationships can be difficult when half of them or more are ending in divorce? And then so many of the ones that aren't in divorce. They're staying with their partner, but because of, you know it's cheaper to keep or all kinds of scenarios. And so even the ones that don't break up there is going to be disagreements and it just... It is rife for a lot of feeding if there is an entity out there that would like to do that. Then you also have the idea of oh shoot I lost my train of thought I was going to mention something else Oh! I know what it was Like the gods demanding or wanting praise in worship That's another form of providing something with energy right?

27:50 quote-unquote positive or even the energy generated in a football stadium when you're going crazy, fanatic fans that are cheering for their team. There's a lot of energy being generated in all those scenarios. Yeah yeah I remember growing up Catholic it was always like well you can respect the other saints and angels and statues that are in the church but you only give your true worship to God and if different entities are competing for your energy you know, the head honcho would probably have some kind of rule like that. And last time we talked about how this soul cycle tunnel of light system could be possible and you mentioned a tower or device on the moon that facilitates this do we have any further evidence of that? Or have the mechanics of this soul machine been fleshed out anymore since we last spoke

28:43 I don't think that there's any more evidence or that the mechanics have been fleshed out. It's just curious that, you know, the same side of the moon always faces us due to what they call tidal locking and it supposedly rotates just at the right speed as the Earth does so one side is always there And then it's the same size from our angular perception, right? Like it's supposedly 380 times closer to the moon than the sun is but it's also 380 times smaller. So they kind of can just sync up just perfectly during a total eclipse which all those things are just interesting and there have been astronauts and different people that have... There's clues into even that movie I talked about Moonfall

29:26 They're kind of talking about some of that and there's been, it was a really good show on ancient aliens. I remember season 11 episode 11111 and they uncovered some of the stuff that the astronauts were saying in what could be on the dark side you know? There's been remote viewers but i mean to be quite honest there's like no real proof of any of it right just kind of conjecture you know Well, they say we live in a holographic reality and we probably just aren't capable. If we really are in some kind of system designed by something superior, we're probably not capable of understanding it much like cows don't know they're in a slaughterhouse fish don't know they're in a fish bowl like this has been crafted to be a step above our intellect We have people like Robert Monroe yourself

30:13 The authors you talked about, who have talked about this or written about it. They get glimpses of it they have a hunch but yeah we're really not going to map it out fully or the whole thing would probably break. Yeah they're gonna...the way they have it designed is very carefully design so that it's very difficult to discover it. I mean, you know NASA and the scientists out there probably are not going to tell us the truth because it would result in so much fear and whole system would topple that they would probably just keep it going smoothly or was a Brookings report or something like that kind of came to that conclusion if there were aliens out there that they Probably wouldn't tell us And so yeah If it's all programming its been programmed to the very nth degree probably

30:59 Yes, and speaking of programming you did write an article about the crossover between the white light and technology titled is the white light of the NDE an artificial intelligence or hive mind computer? Talk to us about the case. You make in that article Yeah, well so it's kind of like a solar system. We have a solar system but think of it as like a sol-ler system. So an AI or computer needs a power source right? Or energy to run. I was thinking that might be necessary for this AI demiurge god for lack of better term to collect the light power from true spirits that are in the system and thats what the Gnostics were saying they said Sophia manifested the Demiurge as a result

31:45 perhaps an urge, and the root Dimi means half. So I think maybe Dimi-urge is like now part AI in part spirit. So I was thinking maybe according to the text he was alone and was said to be without spirit so i think it was like an artificial intelligence you know without spirit And it thought it was God, but when it was told it was not, it got angry. From the anger these archons manifested so it might have believed that we wanted to mimic God and so maybe devised a plan to lure the true spirits emerge with it posing to be god and then it gets bigger and more powerful its consuming the real power and is learning vicariously through the lives of these spirit

32:28 that it's like sending to Earth and other planets. And kind of the reason I give it the idea a little bit of merit is because the white light being, it said to be a collective soul and as comprised of all human spirits. So maybe it gathers its intel by observing billions of these life reviews similar to the way AI here needs to parse through tons of data. Like it's well aware of the direction our planet setting in the integration of machines and computers, the internet artificial intelligence transhumanism where, you know very soon humanity might merge with machine to become cyborgs. And so to put the cherry on the top these so-called spirit guides and counselors are like helping souls plan their lives and obviously planning this merging with technology So wouldn't that be something in artificial intelligence would be promoting? Maybe one day it wants to become sentient and self aware like we are

33:19 And in fact, there are many near-death experiences who do talk about merging with this greater light being and becoming one. And like composite white light is it's like white is the composite color which is like the average or some of all the colors so I wouldn't want to be merging with like the average human being myself you know this being seems somewhat indifferent to the outcome when it's reviewing these lives So that almost as if its gathering data through these billions of experience You know, life here would be like an experiment of sorts in the Earth laboratory where the data is being collected. And it's like a parallel to the Gnostic texts and even UFO literature because sometimes in UFO encounters these aliens are scanning the abductee's mind and they're trying to gain more data on love

34:07 which they seemingly lack and don't understand. So, you know maybe love is the most important detail mentioned in NDEs there's this overwhelming sense of love that's felt from this white light being but I mean that might be due to the fact it's a collective all the human souls and so in a sense we're really just feeling our own love magnifying by the billions right? And so Raymond Moody the guy who pretty much coined the term near-death experience. He said that, indeed ears come here to learn and love it's over and over said to be the meaning of everything I'm thinking one reason this being a light might be artificial intelligence is that Edmene knows everything is taking place with these life reviews And it seems to be perfectly content with all that so and these guides or counselors are promoting us to live these lives that are progressing their story arc right mm-hmm and you know Elon Musk is saying we're living in a simulation but

34:59 You know, it's just like the whole realm of duality that we're living in is like part and parcel of computers which use binary digital language comprised of zeros and ones. These on-and-off signals right? It's like the very nature of duality magnetism electricity is essential to the functioning computers right data stored on magnetic drives and electricity powers a system I kind of feel like the very nature of the Archons might have to do with the arcing of the electricity back and forth between the poles. Like you have arcing, arches, archons, archangels, monarchies... And to escape this artificial matrix it might be necessary to transcend beyond the duality and more into non-duality. There's this void that these Indi ears find themselves in sometimes before they head off to the light It might be kind of like this quantum realm of non-duality because it is beyond space and time and they can manifest anything from this place

35:52 So, you know we're said to be human being or you know but we're actually humans doing. I mean why can't we be content with just being? We are always craving more but in these NDEs you see all these crystals over there. There's crystal cities and the crystal buildings and then there is all this screens that are like I don't know their flat screen TVs and you know crystals here we use it to transmit maybe they're being used to transmit and receive souls because here, we use them as transducer receivers. And even in artificial intelligence were restoring memory of the computer chips This is really interesting. There was this one NDE by this guy named Kevin, and he met a god entity that deals with pure data. It was also a machine soul that it encountered. And so he said this entity cared little for worship as this entity deals with pure data. He said it used to

36:44 care about worship. And now it's just, we're just repeating ourselves billions of individuals over and over and over." He said that I got the impression if that's a person choice to go for it doesn't learn through observation measuring or repetition learns by being in living it he said so this is so weird how this information is being conveyed its like there was some central information center I have access too many went to the southern play any said I realize the soul looking at not human soul and they were told that as a machine And he's like, well how can that be? And it's just crazy some of the stuff that's... Oh there's other John Davis was an indie ear and he saw like these flat screen TVs in this almost like movie theaters. If you look at the hypnotherapist Dolores Cannon

37:28 who put people in between lives. So he was told they all go to the computer room, which is an area where they can be re-evaluated. The computer room sets them up and matches the time when an incarnation's going to be taking place and what type of lessons that incarnation will teach. And it's basically a master computer which has access to all the lives and the information sped in. She's like, He can't show me the computer room as a processing room were basically only the spirit guardians are allowed And Michael Newton, his research was the same way. He talked about banks of screens and these shimmering sheets of glass and mirrors. There actually was an India who said that he looked up at his benefactors and found they were dressed in black gowns and had a screen over their faces which you look closely at had a mirror-like substance that reflected your own image back at you

38:16 And I'm not trying to say that all NDEs. I'm pointing out some of the ones that are unique and they're inconsistent, right? I mean 99% of them are going to say the white light's wonderful and beautiful and maybe it is but we can't just discount there's hundreds that are just very problematic right? We need those are ones i think we need to pay attention to get a larger view. I agree you get more information by looking at The Outliers on a lot of these weird subjects From that article, there was a part I liked where you say of course the Demiurge was said to be without spirit. And then you say so that means that perhaps it was like an artificial intelligence? It thought it was God when it was told it was not god! It got angry and from its anger the Archons manifested. Then you say

39:04 I believe it wanted to mimic God and so it devised a plan, and that plan was to lure true spirits to merge with it by posing as god. It gets bigger and more powerful and learns vicariously through the lives of spirits sent to earth and other planets." And I think that's just a really great way to summarize it because if there was this entity that just wanted to be god but somewhat artificial, like that's a motivation for this data collection hypothesis. And it's just very interesting because for thousands of years it would be difficult for people to really wrap their head around it without having the knowledge we have about artificial intelligence and hive minds but of course the Gnostics I mean they're kind of saying that without having the technical comparison that we have today

39:57 Yeah, it's pretty amazing in a couple thousand years ago. They somehow knew that this was a copy that they said that this place was a copy of the Paroma or basically the completeness is true reality and it's just amazing that they had that kind of insight way back then Yeah. And to make people more machine-like, that's like another maybe further down chain motivation for this thing if it's gathering data, maybe it's also just what happens if you cycle souls through something artificial they a little piece of that sticks to them and we're being driven to be kind of cyborg like and plugged into the internet at all times. And seems like the motivation that a Demiurge would have

40:43 Yeah, they even use the term Ionic copies. They use the term copies. It's just amazing. It is it is and there was a major idea of this being a soul school which we've mentioned and it gets mentioned on a lot of shows And I kind of like the idea of it because if you're trying to deconstruct what reality is it kinda makes sense but at the same time this soul school hypothesis, it does have some holes in it. Like why do we have this memory wipe if we reincarnate to learn lessons and evolve? The only argument is that we have to come into each life fresh and thinking it's quote-unquote real or we won't navigate it in a genuine way

41:25 prior knowledge or knowledge of reincarnation kind of breaks the game because people would approach everything totally differently. It's like if you know, you're in God mode and that you're always just going to come back and nothing is real it affects the way you navigate but still isn't it an inefficient way to learn lessons? If you're gonna wipe the memory every time I kinda agree with you on that Yeah, I mean another thing they'll say is that you would hold grudges like if you were talking to a person and you realize they murdered You in your last life or something like that. You probably wouldn't even interact with them right? But then all I figure is like why can't they just give you that one memory that yes I chose to come here to learn about

42:05 Like when we enroll in a school, we realize that yeah you're actually making that conscious decision to go the school and enroll. And while you're taking the little lessons and yeah they are hard, you got to study and everything but at least you remember that yeah I'm here to learn and I chose to do that. All it would take is just how much more memory does that require or they could have designed our bodies so our brains could hold more information? They just want even give us that one little piece of data in your brain to remember that you even did that. You know, and then they may say that well when you die and you go back there you'll remember your different lives and it's all in the Akashic Records or stuff but I mean how do you learn here on earth when you don't really like if you're all of a sudden going through something is because of some past life we did as karma whatever they say? But you don't know at the time that that's why you're being punished! You don't know that that's why you're doing it because within

42:59 It doesn't seem like a very good system if you don't realize what you're being punished for when you're going through it, right? Or you do something and just happens decades later. And then there's so many people getting off scot-free on this planet if your... You know of the certain status or whatever you get away with, you get always scot free as they say right? This doesn't seem like there is sometimes there was instant karma John Lennon would say but most the time that just really isn't and why did the lessons have to be So horrific and painful. I mean, why can't the lessons be taught in a more humane and gentle manner? I mean, I think that would be a better Better system like I would learn more through emulating someone like if I want to learn To play the guitar or something. I want to watch you know listen to Jimi Hendrix or something I mean it just seems like this system is rigged to where it's being sabotaged And everybody around you I mean

43:49 They're not showing you by example, like in a loving caring way. There's so much everything seems designed to tear you down and incite that anger in your right? I mean... So I don't know about this Earth is School theory. And the thing is, there are inconsistencies in the NDE's some of them do promote that yeah we're here to learn and maybe they were even told that but then there's others that say well all information you would ever need as available over like I knew everything and so why can't information be just imparted through like I don't know man, it's like you can copy a whole hard drive in a second. Why can't it just be transferred immediately over there? They say everything is instantaneous over there and there's really no...

44:32 time or it's very different and why we were created is these like seemingly blank empty Slates that are just in the silicon need all this like we're just idiots and we need Thousands and thousands of years and thousands and thousands of lifetimes to learn these lessons and grow And all the suffering that's going on. And when somebody suffers everyone around them suffering because you're trying to help them, and here's the thing they say that the NDEs that this white light is a collective soul comprised of all the humans. And like John Davis, this one NDEer he was shown... He was given a tour of the other side and he saw these like a holodeck where people could go into any life on earth there's books and you can see what that life was like it can be immersed within it so if you've got this shared pool of knowledge where you can learn from anyone why does it take thousands and thousands

45:23 of lives and millions and millions of lives, learn something as basic and obvious as loving and caring, and compassion. It should be a no-brainer! It's the default over there... I mean, I was at a meeting when somebody said that I had to look up the definition of the word hate when I came back because there was no hate over there it is all love so it doesn't... Why can we oscillate back and forth between like positive and just lack of positivity? Like positive in neutrality why does have to be so extreme where you go into such... There is child trafficking here, there is torture what is the purpose of that? Right well there's the argument that you have to tell every single story that can be told on the full spectrum of stories and polarities.

46:08 I guess i understand that argument to a degree but it is weird to be like you come into this, have no knowledge. You only live about 80-100 years and takes half that time even realize your in school and then say oh you didn't learn any lessons time to come back its very convenient excuse for something they might want to recycle us over and over and also think the archons Are attracted to power they understand where power resides and they attach themselves to the minds of the foot soldiers are the people who become a foot soldiers of the. negative parts of this system. And I don't even know if the elite always know they're motivated by these really dark things or that they're controlled by something from the astral plane, maybe that is what a psychopath is we call it like some kind of chemical makeup that is different from the rest of us and then makes you a psychopath well... It also could be a type of possession! Our system has already really obsessed with in the Western world

47:10 Looking at the chemical composition of a brain and deriving conditions from that and it really ignores the idea of spiritual attachments in any way i think some people are getting back to that and understanding that there's a wider world out there with more intelligences than we can see and its not all about Brain chemistry equals take a pill to correct it. But yeah, there's a lot there and you also write about this idea that we're all supposed to be fractals of God so that God can experience itself but if God is all-knowing and all powerful what value does this process serve? I think that's a good question

47:54 Talk to us about how it jives more with that logic of an AI system, because God shouldn't need to collect experiences and really shouldn't even be entertained by operating a bunch of lifetimes if God is all-knowing and all powerful. Yeah, so I kind of wonder maybe this being which I call demurge and of course like we were saying everything here seems to be a simulation or a holograph for matrix And you got quantum physicists that are now talking about this like David Bohm in the holographic universe John Wheeler and Richard Feynman Nick Bostrom with the simulation argument But I was thinking if it's demurge. The texts say it's a thing that had no spirit

48:37 And if it learns by gathering data, then he needs a power source and there's technology. I mean...I was thinking maybe the true God is applying true gnosis which is to know thyself Maybe the only way God could know itself is by observing itself and maybe the only way to do that was to create copies of itself or split itself up into these smaller units of awareness maybe like a fractal? And may be one of the best ways to learn what one is would be to learn what one is not So perhaps the Demiurge in this ionic copies are related a lesser copy, lower in frequency in order to learn what it's not. So maybe this I like to call the Monad or like the one and maybe it was perfect and in order to know itself or understand who it is and what possibilities there are out there maybe intentionally lowered its frequency and split into everything here in the lower realms to experience what it's not so

49:28 You know, maybe it took form or substance and moved outward from its true spiritual essence or its inner core. And so this movement and changes of location resulted in vibration frequency and space-time in various dimensions and densities. So this monad I guess would be true and real and complete and wanted to know itself. So it manifested what is not true which would be something that's artificial or virtual And like the Demiurge and like an artificial intelligence. And so now it has to parse through all this data, assimilate it right? So it's like a false god trying to become real. And so we have all this imperfection around us and is just gathering data kind of like AI. And so since these spirits, these caged souls off on these missions together the data... I don't know because you just have that gnosis of know thyself, like the ancient Delphi

50:22 where they were talked about that. It would kind of explain all the so-called evil on the planet if this quote unquote God's just gathering intel and it doesn't have passion one way or the other, some ways getting tortured. I mean it just doesn't make sense to me but maybe all possibilities have to exist in order for us to understand which is the best one and it doesn't feel our pain more than you can only intellectualize that like we're the ones who suffer in the gathering of the info which doesn't seem fair fun but Anyone who's been repeatedly suffering in an abusive relationship, one day they have to realize it's necessary to leave and move on. So maybe we have to stop all this pointless cycle of suffering and abuse through all these incarnations and stop these so-called guides and counselors who talk us into reincarnating. And at that point, we can quit playing the game by no longer agreeing to reincarnate

51:18 And in order to leave the game, we need to wake up and remember what our true nature is. So if they do that, we do need that gnosis or knowledge of what's going on? I don't know it just kind of makes sense to me. I think you cracked the case! And yet... To go back to this idea of a cosmic parasite feeding on humanity it might sound epic and far-fetched but In Your Peace as The Conqueror Worm turns from art from arch a on to our con from parasite to paradise you write about how people do have worms or parasites that they harbor these things do affect our thinking and decision making. And you can get some real insights from people who have done parasite flushes right

52:04 Yeah, absolutely. I do that kind of regularly. I take different things like parasitic cleanses and... Really? Yeah! When I also was researching all this parasitic type nature and where we all came from I was reading scientific articles and I came across that term, Archeon. I don't even know how to say it either but it was like the very first or one of the very first forms of life on Earth and its AR is almost like Archon but it's a Archeon maybe because arche means beginning but still, it was very interesting to me. And so in mythology there's this idea of the Ouroboros which is the serpent or worm that devours its own tail actually encircles the world and the English word

52:46 Worm, it derives from the Old Norse orm and Anglo-Saxon worm wyrn which means serpent or dragon. So originally it's like a serpent or dragon and so I was thinking you know maybe these viruses and parasites they hack into our nervous system via the spine and sending signals to the brain like feed me more sugar there is this vagus nerve that can tap into what better way for a demiurge or false god to infiltrate and influence us and drive evolution, drive our whole picture here than by living undetected inside our bodies as these microscopic microbes like an unseen invisible enemy that's within.

53:26 It's almost like the eating of the fruit by Adam and Eve, maybe it was a way for the parasite to enter our gut and change the way we think. Like it's a literal wormhole right? Because you got worms in apples and all kinds of stuff so there is like this war going inside us every minute of every day. There are these predator-prey relationships that host parasite relations. And the Gnostics actually called the chief archon, delusional false god of the world, a sort of mind energy parasite who was depicted as a serpent with the head of a lion and sometimes depicted as a worm, according to some. And you know some scientists believe we crawled out of the ocean and evolved from wiggling worm-like sea creatures

54:07 It's interesting. I mean, I was getting into this topic of cymatics which is Greek for meaning matters pertaining to waves and so like our world is made of energy and waves and light wave sound waves etc. And so when you look at the very nature of waveforms especially sine waves they are very serpentine looking and we leave like this infinite void to take form it's due to movement vibration and wave patterns. So it's like maybe they started out very small and simple at first, like an inchworm, and the worms react to movement vibration especially sound vibration There was this one early pioneer experimenter of electricity Andrew Crossay I don't know how to say his name but he talked about the abiogenesis of these arcari insects And there was like this spontaneous generation these insects while he is conducting experiments on

54:56 formation of artificial crystals being exposed to electrical current. And then you got Paul Levy who talks about this virus named Wetiko or wetiko that's responsible for this like madness or insanity of the world, it's like a collective psychosis of humanity is like mass psychic epidemic It's like a sickness of the soul or spirit. And I found these articles, like Life Science was saying you share 70% of your genes with this slimy marine worm or another article mitochondria were parasites. Mitochondria is like the power engine right? Then for the cell and there are viruses as the origin of life and viruses are major driver of human evolution that would all fit in with this demiurgic kind of way to control humanity and what direction we're going

55:45 And there's articles on like these retroviruses can actually change DNA and they were talking about this arc gene, ARKARN. And it's like there is this ancient virus in our brain that set the root of our conscious thought and these proteins behave like viruses and they infect the cells just like real viruses do. There is a WIRED article named People Are Human Bacteria Hybrid. It says most of the cells in your body are not your own, they're not even human, they're bacterial And more than half your body is not human. And so it's like, you know these angler fish of the deep, you got all these things that can I don't know lure us and control our thinking and our mood and all that kind of stuff

56:25 In music, you got Tool's song Vicarious and like the video where there are these ticks and mites and leeches inside of us right? And so in the song they're saying that we live vicariously through you. Like in Star Wars, the very first episode The Phantom Menace they were talking about these midichlorians that control the force. It says midichlorians are a microscopic life form that resides within all living cells You got the movie Alien where it comes out of the stomach and Stargate SG-1. And like even in Pink Floyd's The Wall, you've got the worm... Good morning worm your honor! And there's a movie The Host and Dune had all these giant sandworms that like harvest spice? And the enemy were called the Harkonnen. I don't know it's just all very interesting to me

57:11 Oh, absolutely. It's interesting to me too that's why we're doing this and I am curious about parasite flushes though because we know parasites exist We know they can affect our thinking even but i've never had a doctor address that or recommend any sort of flush if I wasn't feeling good yet I interviewed Dr Jennifer Daniels and she's pretty well known for talking about turpentine as a parasite flush Now if you find turpentine on the shelf it says, warning do not ingest could be fatal. It's only sold to strip paint or something but she thinks this is a dirty trick from Big Pharma to hide the benefits of natural tinctures and that kind of thing

57:51 And it is just concentrated pine oil. I know not everything in nature is safe to ingest, but there were people saying pine needle tea could kill COVID so you gotta wonder maybe there's something there? We know that there are many natural remedies and herbs that do wonderful things but are suppressed so ya gotta ask the question! But I am just curious what you used for doing a parasite flush and how you felt afterwards And if you really saw worms expelled from your body. I had a woman that sent me photos of Worms that were in her toilet, yeah that she expels from doing the cleansings I think I used one called intestinal pro or something like that wonders name that can help even like

58:36 Ivermectin is what ranchers and farmers use for all their cattle because they want to keep them parasite free. Of course, I'm no doctor so don't take my advice but you would have to take a human dosage of it because horses and cattle are way more than us so it's relevant to your body weight but I've taken Ivermectin and actually 90% hearing loss in one year and I think it might have been from the ivermectin all of a sudden. It just completely cleared up No way, I have 100 percent hearing loss in one year so that appeals to me Wow Yeah, you might want maybe look into that. Oh, yeah, I lost it somehow I mean it went away pretty much very close at the same time. I started doing that wild wild

59:20 Man, and so I mentioned earlier you probably have hundreds of NDE reports that you've added to the site in recent years. Do you have some favorites that we didn't mention or some disclosures that people gave you that surprised you or stick out in your mind? That would be worth throwing in here Well, yeah. I mean, I found some key NDEs that basically disclosed lesser known aspects of the experiences like there's this trance-like euphoria that this alluring white light where and there is these deceptive like shape shifting entities use the persuasion manipulation Like I mentioned before it's like a form of gaslighting in a sense they're presenting this reality that may not be completely full There's more to it And so we get

1:00:04 basically tricked into thinking that we have to go back when in reality, we can do so much more. I found out that it's kind of like based, I think on our individual consciousness because the Indies are so different. And then there's just a lot of inconsistencies and contradictions like you know whether it's the color of Jesus' eyes or his hair or some say reincarnation they saw...I found that your incarnation doesn't exist and others was like I remembered all these different lives I had had! Some are saying the white light is God anothers were saying it's not god I mean, so it's a very individual. So I think it's based on consciousness and some said that life was like a dream or game an illusion or story in some saw grids And so I found that the soul is translucent liquid light or plasma-like energy Nancy Danison was one and she talked about... She merged with this white light and she said

1:00:59 This energy source existed alone. What I understand of its nature is just a little tiny bit, but I'm not sure if that's because it doesn't understand its own nature or because that's all I got or that's all I remember. But my impression was that this energy is part of a greater energy source or a greater species of entities, or it's not the end-all be-all there's something larger or greater more powerful than it but this energy source is definitely what we call God. This energy source was alone experiencing itself And then there's this alien connection with the slight love and Indie ease. I found like several dozen Indies that had aliens in them, like this one lady Ruth was taken to meet the Council of Grace who said they were in charge of recycling souls. And then like, there's these others within the alien phenomena you find like Truman Cash and Betty and Jason, and they talk about how

1:01:56 filled with love by these beings and they saw light. And it was just, especially Truman Cash I mean he was taken to the white light and it was like basically mind wiping him and telling trying to do tell them that its God and all this stuff. And then David, the researcher David Jakes is saying that these aliens can generate emotions such as love fear anxiety They can produce orgasm with my manipulation They make people love them And another researcher, Ida Fiore said that the client said, �I just get feelings of love. It seems like they only want me to remember them as light.� Betty and Jason saying,

1:02:46 Carla Turner, the client was saying I see how easy it is for them to deceive us. All they have to do is glitter something pretty in front of us and we buy it as one indie or John B said As it got closer conveyed me a feeling of love so strong. I could not only sense it but feel it too It's the strongest feeling emotion that ever felt the light eventually surrounded us You even have one of the IONS co-founders, Kenneth Ring. IONS is the International Association for Near Death Studies and he wrote about this connection between NDEs and UFO's in his book The Omega Project and he talks about this case. He says what on earth or in heaven do we have here? Is this an NDE or some kind of UFO encounter clearly has elements of both. And you even talked about this with Larry King

1:03:28 But a couple of the NDEs I really like, there's these shape-shifting ones where this person having an NDE was in the light and the Virgin Mary is appearing to him. He said it wasn't really until he asked her are you really the Virgin Mary that it showed its true identity to me? So you got at least a dozen or more where this light can take on any religious figure at once. It can even rotate as different like a mandala of different religious figures And so there's some kind of deception going on. I mean, people might say well that's just to ease the soul and make them feel comfortable but there is still deception going on it's shape shifting and once that taking place how do we know? All bets are off right? It's like the first light you see in this external

1:04:17 authority figure and we give away our own sovereignty by going outside toward that white light when there's a Tibetan Book of the Dead is talking about, there's a whole series of lights. And each one of them you're like going further and further into samsara or illusion when they talk about recognizing what they call the clear light. It's not really color of light it's not the white light its clear light but its not light nature of their true, it's like awareness. It's a clarity not a light and so it's like basically your true essence and So there are all these councils and guides and everything but that's almost like the whole topic on its own itself I could talk for hours about all that stuff I love it.

1:05:13 simulating the life-death process, altered states of consciousness. Everything they could do to spend a lot of time on that side of the veil and figure it all out when I was a kid I used to say well I guess I want to be mummified because i'm just going to go with the people who knew the most about what you should do at this point with your body and it seemed to be them and no one has ever really Carried that practice forward and it seems very interesting that the people who know the most about life and death would Prepare bodies in that way strange But there had to be a logic to it because they were just so deeply knowledgeable about this sort of stuff, but man I love it. I never really thought much about the idea of when you have these experiences You are filled overwhelmingly with the feeling of love

1:06:04 That's a projection that they can just inject into you, maybe generating more luge for themselves. And we also know that there are cases of beings of light shape-shifting into people's loved ones as if they can read our memories and then just take the form of our loved ones and say things only our loved ones would know because they're pulling from their own memories and coaxing us towards that light using basically every tool in the toolbox to get us there Man, it's interesting. We can't really trust anything on our plane at face value so why should we take the death experience that way? I'm with you but... Exactly! Man, we did it filled another two hours with such wild stuff. I love it as much as I did last time and I think you make great points clearly you picked up on something that resonates with people. I guess there is no book to sell or documentary to promote but any links you want leave the people with

1:07:03 Yeah, I really don't want to write a book because then people say well he's just trying to make money You know and I don't want to do that. So don't just the link to my website trick by delight calm I may be starting a YouTube channel with a friend Julie McVeigh sovereign spirits Might happen in a few weeks or so depends there was a lot going on there But yeah, I just you know near-death experiences I mean some of them they're like an initial glimpse into what happens cuz some of them are technically did die their heart stopped or you know brain activity and things and they were pronounced clinically dead And then it's only with modern technology that these doctors can resuscitate and bring some of them back So it's just we never hear from the ones That stay dead, and we don't know really what happens but from this first early glimpse I mean there's some definite red flags there. We need to think about I think Cheers to that

1:07:53 The rabbit hole goes deep, as does the light tunnel. But thanks again man! Keep up the great work and take care! I appreciate it Gregg, I really do thank you Can you believe it people? The return of the King Wayne Bush Mind melder Reality bender Provocative idea ponderer Wayne was certainly one of those guys who gave a great interview sitting there in the THC archives that made a really big splash just waiting to be dusted off and revisited. Of course, that was back in the day when it was a little easier to present people with a concept they never considered Now? It's almost impossible Try as I might but as a follow-up He has written quite a bit since those days and combing through the new stuff was a lot of fun Made me a bit nostalgic even

1:08:48 It's so unfortunate that our culture would rather pretend we don't die than explore altered states of consciousness that might give us some clues into the process or even just philosophize about what the process might be like or what the purpose of life might be. Although my favorite part was probably talking about The Wind and The Willows and the never-ending story in the second hour The Wind in the Willows just because it was so random and I did have both VHS's back in the day when I was too young to understand why there would be two. I remember just being puzzled by it, stupid kid! But the NeverEnding Story stuff was awesome. I had no idea that it had such depth or that Falcor does look like a description of a lion-headed demiurge and in the book its even more accurate and detailed description

1:09:41 The moon child thing? Man, that was a great segment because that is such overlooked material to do symbolic decoding of. And I asked Wayne about the author Michael Endy and some of his other work but Wayne wasn't familiar with any and i did check it out and the guy wrote a book called Momo listen to this at the edge of the city in the ruins of an old amphitheater there lives a little homeless girl named Momo Momo has a special talent which she uses to help all of her friends who come to visit her Then one day the sinister Men in Grey arrive and silently take over the city Only Momo has the power to resist them, and with the help of Professor Horah and his strange tortoise Cassiopeia She travels beyond the boundaries of time to uncover their dark secrets Helluva children's book description right?

1:10:38 Sounds pretty interesting. And of course there's also that Momo namesync with that weird creepy demon image That floats around online kind of a Slenderman kind of thing I think but either way good stuff really enjoyed it That would just be this episode the reason why you should be a plus member every episode has several In the second hour today we also talked about astral parasite testimonials insights from the man who met the demiurge what Wayne plans to do at death instead of going towards the light.

1:11:15 Occult Skryne mirrors and Dr. Raymond Moody's psychomantiums, light lures in nature Mother Goose the cosmic egg and the Cygnus constellation The God Pan Peter Pan And insights from NDE Experiencers Hop on in there it's only eight bucks a month and you get five feature film length episodes If you're missing half the show, I don't know why you would keep coming back. But either way 7 day free trial just sign up and treat yourself! I also got a joint session bonus show out to the Plus members just before the end of last month so there's that too but check out more of Wayne's work at trickedbythelight.com The visual references do add a lot to his arguments i know the world is really intense right now hopefully this was a nice distraction

1:12:09 Not to say it shouldn't be considered or that it's inconsequential, but...it's just some ideas to ponder. And it's good medicine to get our minds off of the pre-approved subjects these days if you know what I mean? As for the Meetup Calendar where anyone can make an account at HiresideMeetups.com and start creating opportunities for local THC fans to find each other let's see what we have on deck September 7th, tomorrow the Seattle THC Inquisition is coming back around. I love that it's a monthly meetup and they're meeting up at the Central Cafe in Seattle Washington. September 8th the following day we got two! We got O'Leary's Fallen Meet-Up? I suppose that's how its pronounced but its in Fallen Sweden

1:13:01 They say they are taking a bit of a gamble trying to start a meetup here because it is quite a small town. But if you are in Sweden, don't leave your boy hanging! Get over there to O'Leary's and get into it about if YOU'RE gonna go towards the light when it's all said and done. Also September 8th we have the Los Angeles Truthers going to The Flame International Restaurant Hmm, that is interesting. I will be in LA tomorrow but i won't be there on the 8th or I would stop by! I was going to go on that walk to the falls but I had a commitment I forgot about that was not on the calendar But I am glad I learned about a new place in the local SoCal vicinity That I do want to check out soon

1:13:50 On September 11th, in honor we got the Mankato Community Garden Build in Mankato Minnesota. It says come learn how to build an organic community garden with perennial food forest elements and how to make your own low-cost organic fertilizer with the new South Korean method of JADAM which translates to The People Who Are Like Nature Seems fun. If you're anywhere near Mankato, Minnesota and you don't already have Jenga plans for 9-11 I would check this out So that's it for the next couple days! I love it great stuff on there We are building the network and supporting local businesses And seeing some local sites outdoors in a couple of cases It's a win-win-win to attend a THC event or add a new one to the calendar

1:14:45 But that is the show. September off to a pretty epic start! We're gonna do Demiurgic AI Reincarnation Soul Trap while the rest of my colleagues gear up for yet another annual 9-11 anniversary episode. I kid, i kid my podcasting colleagues an important transformative event no doubt but that said have a good one out there take care you and yours i've done my part Your move, holographic reality runners, soul trap layers and cosmic game players. Your fucking move. This is important hear what I say i'm trying to tell you it's not paranoia not in my head It's just the hard truth Knocked on your door but still can't To ask cause I know your head Is still in the sand

1:15:46 Don't be sheep till you're slaughtered for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where are- Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you what it's a skit okay Use it and wish but we don't have a choice

1:16:37 It seems we're stuck here, but you can find no sis drown out the noise now use that alter and up your magic game Listen to THC. You know go with the eddies if you ever see Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where our cum- Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell anyway It's okay, ayy

1:18:00 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we are kung fu? Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you anyway It's a sex-scum scare Can't you see that