Walter Bosley | Trump, Tesla, Secret Spaceships, & NYMZA

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00:43 Alright, Hiresight Chatters. After all the suppressed technology, secret science and alchemical effects we've talked about it becomes obvious that there are pockets of the power pyramid that have kept enough of these things to themselves through the years to justify the terms we use like breakaway civilization and secret space program Well, with us again almost a year to the date is a great researcher in this vein. Walter Bosley. The product of a military family himself he's worked serving as a counterintelligence agent for the FBI, a special agent for the Air Force and a consultant in the private sector. He also used his training, military insight and investigative skills to dig deeper into several pieces of the big conspiracy pie but most notably this very notion of a breakaway civilization

01:26 In our last show, Walter broke down how a group of Hermetic Prussian nationalists known as the Nimza likely developed advanced technology based on their rediscovery of something ancient and that an aligned group called the Sonora Aero Club way back in the mid-19th century seems to have created exotic flying machines in the California desert that could have been responsible for vast aeroship sightings 40 years later. It might even resulted in Tesla developed craft capable of making it to Mars in 1903! It's a lot to unpack, but in the years since that interview new developments have come to light that very well may tie this underground network to the family of the president himself. And that is what I call the sweet spot ladies and gentlemen! Back in the saddle for another wild ride, the author of several great books, The Deep State Decoder himself, the man who knows the plan Walter Bosley welcome back to The Higher Side. Hey Greg it's great to be here looking forward

02:17 Yeah, me too. Thanks for doing it! Your work has just really stuck with me and when it comes to tracking back the progression of secret flying machines exotic fuel sources in this connection to German nationalists you have made really huge contributions and rather than talking about the same old bullet points surrounding the Nazi bell or the reverse engineering of the Roswell craft You have fleshed out this story and filled in a lot of the holes there seems to go much deeper. And I guess in the interest of leaving no man behind, can we give the people just a little more context about the Nimza-Sonora Arrow Club nexus and set up the story for the pieces? We're going to add help maybe refresh their memories a bit if you could what should we know about this group and that time period between 1850 and the early 1900s

03:04 Well, fortunately the book I'm currently working on is going to go into greater detail than i've ever had before regarding this organization NMDSA. So there's that to look forward too in about another month or so. This conversation has timed really well it's going to kind of whet the appetite of the listeners but essentially when we When we're talking about the 19th century period leading into the 20th, we're talking about specifically the Prussian nationalists who it is believed called themselves Nimza and were pursuing development of technology that

03:47 it appears they believed would give them greater leverage in pushing towards a unified Germany, which of course eventually happened. And then went much farther in the early 20th century rise of the Nazi party and essentially this 19th century NIMSA according to the original source we have on Charles Delchow was a German headquartered organization that had apparently several little groups under its wing, under its ages. And they would finance and provide

04:30 various resources for these little groups to develop this particular technology. And the case in point that Delschow focused on was a little group of German immigrants to the United States that called themselves The Sonora Aero Club, and they operated out of Tuolumne County just west of Yosemite National Park. These guys in the 1850s were allegedly building what I would call proof of concept flying machines. Okay, I want you to think of the automobile okay? The history the automobile and I want you to go back to the Ford Model T that was just a car right four wheels motor in a place to sit in a steering wheel but basic car proof-of-concept running particularly when you compare that two cars 30 40 years later at home today That's what these

05:23 Sonora Aero Club flying contraptions were proof of concept. Now, where NMSA came in was that they were the group that had some type of oversight involvement which the leaders, the guys in the Sonora Aero Club ultimately rejected okay? They ultimately did not want to go the way that NMSA wanted them consider NIMSA to be the first true military industrial complex, you know in modern times. Because that's really what they were putting together in my books I theorize and effect I lay out several of the suspects that were top industrialists you know and financial leaders and guys who are very much into alchemy and occult sciences such

06:12 These are the guys that I lay out as suspects who would have been the members of this Prussian group, NIMSA. And they were really putting together literally this military-industrial complex. They were using their resources to develop this technology and what they wanted to do was have these guys at the Sonora Aero Club and probably the others that we don't hear about from Delschell other than a mention NMSA wanted them to equip these flying machines for military application with weapons and such. The guys in the Sonora Aero Club didn't want to, they rejected that. That's a whole interesting other story of the leader of the Sonora Aero Club Peter Menace ended up allegedly dying in an explosion and crash at one of these things possible that it could have been murder. It's possible but he might have faked his death too you know escape the NMSA but this

07:05 This was in the 1850s now, the decade before the American Civil War. So when the 1890 specifically 1896-1897 airship mystery emerges I personally think that that was a product of an American group that had been developing this airship technology but we have other sources that have NMSA emerging in the New York esoteric occult milieu of the 1890s. We're talking John W. Keely, we're talking Clara Bloomfield Moore and

07:43 Helena Blavatsky and that group, and that included the German mystics at the time. And here we have NIMSA allegedly still existing and being involved with things to do with this flying machine technology. And of course, that milieu is a link into the 20th century early 20th century German mystics who were involved with the guys who founded the Nazi Party. And of course, the rest is history So, as you can see in all of that, NIMSA is this shadowy organization that was really operating like a breakaway because they obviously had their own resources and wealth enough to be independent. Now when I say nationalist, Prussian nationalists, they weren't an official...you know there was no Prussian single government because it was before Germany was unified but

08:39 But even after they unified, they weren't particularly a German government agency. They weren't part of the German military. They were still their own thing. So that's what we're talking about here. That's the context it was very Prussian in its membership, it was Prussian in its goals and objectives. And its main objective was a unified Germany that dominated globally okay? And when you see their roots into the formation of the Nazi Party, it becomes obvious what they were about. However all that said, that context of 19th century and early 20th century all that said

09:18 I still say, and i go into this in my book and im especially going into this with the new one. There was a NIMSA that was a bigger, larger organization in the background of that. In other words, the Prussian NIMS that Charles Delchel talks about that we've just been talking about, that was a subordinate group within a larger more secretive group and I've already gone into that in stuff I've already done but like you said new details and much more Coming forth. Well, that is some great context for sure and I definitely plan to have a few questions for you about that higher capstone group And this is a hell of a structure with like you said tons of subgroups but I also wanted to ask you a little bit more about the 1903 group, I guess that's the term that you give them Yeah

10:12 Yes. I guess they came out of dissolving the Sonora Aero Club and then turned into this other group, tell us a little bit about them and kind of how that ties in to the Tesla story? Well, and again this is how I have pieced this together. If you go to an excellent book by a gentleman named Michael Busby titled Solving the 1896 or 1897—I'd have to look at the book it's not sitting in front of me—Solving The 1896 Airship Mystery, Busby provides some excellent

10:50 data involved in all this stuff that was going on around people seeing these airships in the skies over several cities west of the Mississippi and the United States. I mean, they were all over the place from the Midwest down to Texas out in Utah California...I mean it was amazing! Now remember we're talking 1890's People in the 1890's knew the difference between a hot-air balloon, a dirigible and these airships they were describing, okay? they knew the difference. And when you really get into the reports and read the descriptions, you'll see that there's clearly a difference in the details of these things and how they operate at how they functioned. What's interesting is Busby points out an actual guy—there's a photo of him in the book—a man named Solomon Andrews who went to Abraham Lincoln's administration I believe he wrote Lincoln directly

11:49 and said he had developed a flying machine that would be good for reconnaissance and such, I think this was 1863. And Lincoln was intrigued and instructed his war secretary Edwin Stanton to take a look at Solomon Andrews' flying contraption. Well, according to the news reports of the day, Solomon Andrews demonstrated this flying machine which he called the Aeron, the A-E-R-O-N, the Aeron. He demonstrated it for several officers from the War Department and journalists, Washington DC journalists of the day. They talk about it flying and its maneuverability and such now history tells us that Edwin Stanton told Andrews thanks but no thanks we're in the middle of this war you know I don't see where there's an application here thank you very much goodbye

12:47 And we're told the story ends right there, where Solomon Andrews and his flying machine are concerned. Well I disagree with that because 30 years later you have the airship mystery Okay? And there is a smoking gun, which connects it back in my opinion to the U.S. War Department and this is why I think this was a result of the first American black project and that is this In 1890's mystery There is a report Of a witness who encountered one of these airships on the ground and had a lengthy conversation with two men

13:28 who were manning it, who were flying it. And those two men were Colonel Samuel Tillman of the U.S. Army and Professor Amos Dolbear. Now Amos Dolbear you You can look up both these guys, by the way. They're on the internet. Look them up! They really lived there's photos of them and a whole resume what they did. Dole Bear one of the things he did one of his inventions was a telephone prior to Alexander Graham Bells version fact I believe Dole Bear had even sued Bell over the issue so Dole Bears are real guy in history Tillman U.S. Army officer, was a cartographer, a geographer he was a chemist he was an explorer all the things that are interestingly

14:12 that are involved in the airship mystery regarding propulsion and how these things fly, Samuel Tillman was an expert in. He ended up being Commandant of West Point when World War I broke out. This is a real guy now here's what's interesting in this 1890s incident it is Tillman and Dolbear who show this guy their airship explain how it works basically and offer to give him a flight and such I mean, these were human beings. These were real actual guys now what's interesting is Tillman and Dole Bear it's not like they were famous celebrities okay so why if someone's going to make this up they would pull those guys out of a hat you know it's interesting but when you look at the fact that it was Tillman involved in one of these reports to me that indicates

15:05 a connection somehow to that U.S. War Department story and Solomon Andrews? Now, the scenario that I extrapolate out of this—and I admit it's speculation—but the scenario I extrapolate out of this is that Stanton did not reject Solomon Andrews technology. It's that we were indeed in the middle of a war that had to be taken care of first and what i suggest is once the war was over the US government said, hey you know what? Let's do something with this. Now why would it be a black project? Why would it be secret? Well various political intrigues there were still countries in Europe and such that really would like to have seen us fail. There were British bankers that were pumping money into the Confederacy privately they wanted to see the U.S. fail so this was in those days where well if we've got this technology this could be an edge let's keep it secret

16:03 Another angle could be that because the war had just ended, we were in the Reconstruction period. How would it have looked if when half the country needed to be rebuilt they're spending money on this contraption like something out of a Jules Verne story? So there are a few legitimate reasons why this would have been our first black project and why they would've kept it secret and I say that between what Solomon Andrews demonstrated in 1863 or 4 and what people were reporting in the 1890's, I say you had 30 years of development. So Solomon Andrews' rudimentary air-on had developed into the more complicated airship like what Tillman and Dolbear were reportedly flying around

16:52 Okay. Now, the world was changing America was changing as we were leaving the 19th century and going into the 20th century people could see The direction things were going and certainly I think some of these guys who were Involved with these airships in the 1890's. I don't think they liked where things were going so We get into 1903, the year in question. There is a legend out there, a rumored legend that Nikola Tesla had designed an airship that these guys built and possibly flew to Mars and they flew away and they were never seen again now as crazy as that sounds we do have Tesla having had worked on

17:47 his ideas of anti-gravity and flying machines and such. So there is a sliver a margin of possibility that Tesla would have been involved in an attempt to do this. Now, of course by 1903 the 1890s airship mystery had been all over the newspapers so one could argue that the whole Tesla Airship-to-Mars thing was just a big fantasy inspired by that. Of course that is possible. But we're talking about, you know being within a context here that these things possibly happen and we have the evidence like Samuel Tillman being one of the identified pilots of these things so we go into the 20th century and let's continue on the limb of speculation and say that

18:36 this theory is right, that there was this group that had developed these things. The next logical thing for them to attempt I could see would be flying one of these things off the planet! The most obvious target would have been the moon but why not Mars? Mars had been looked at for years and all this interesting stuff imagined and proposed about it so... Why not Mars?! Supposing that they attempted this and it worked, okay? And let's say they survived. What's interesting is a decade later or so Tesla writes an article in which he talks about receiving what he believes were intelligent signals from space—from Mars

19:29 a researcher, a guy named Jonathan Batista brought it to my attention one day and he suggested what if these signals that Tesla was talking about in that article were actually communications from this group that attempted their flight to Mars? What if they survived? What is it worked therein lies the little speck of possibility that I propose this breakaway that I call the 1903. Obviously, I call them the 1903 because that's the year associated with this crazy story of guys flying a Tesla airship to Mars. You know if it worked my theory is they saw what they had who knows what they found on Mars consider what we think were finding on Mars now

20:20 Now just have fun with this, let's say 104 years ago these guys really got there and they found the same remnants of the civilization that we think were finding today. What would they have done? Well I say that was the decision point for them, the turning point. That is when they would've looked at what they had, what they found And that's when they decided to break away and make this technology their own. Because remember, these are the guys who had developed it. These were the guys that felt kind of an ownership of it because they were the ones who carried it this far. They were the ones doing these things.

21:04 is kind of the basic background of how I came to this theory that there is this breakaway that I call the 1903. Now, if they exist, I don't know what they call themselves. Right? I refer them as the 1903 and philosophically in my opinion, they would have been quite opposed to the NMSA OK very much opposed to the NMSA right on so That's a great story that I love and quite a few building blocks Now, how do we connect the dots from here to the current president or his family? That is a story that made my jaw drop. Me too! And I have Stephen Romano to thank for pointing it out to me. Stephen Romano runs a gallery in New York and he and some other writers put together this book

22:00 About Charles Delschow, which is primarily a large book full-color plates of Charles Delschows Art his drawings of these flying contraptions from the 1850s. It's an astonishing book I recommend it highly to anyone really interested in this stuff and one day a couple years back Maybe a year or so ago like I'd have to look Stephen asked me if I had noticed this particular little batch of drawings. Del Schau did hundreds of these, by the way. I have not laid eyes on all of them still myself but Stephen pointed out a drawing which dates back sometime between 1890 and 1910 that del Schau did

22:44 of one of these flying machines from the 1850s, which was designed and allegedly constructed by one of the original members of the Sonoran Aero Club. And that man's name in the 1850s was Trump. T-R-U-M-P. There in his drawings dating back sometime between 1890 and 1910 Is the arrow and it has the name trump right there in the artwork i've published an article on this of course and i'll be including you know that discussion is a new book. But its on my empire the wheel dot blog spot com scroll down your find if you can't miss now,

23:27 So there was that, and that made my jaw drop. I mean could it be? We know that Donald Trump's family ancestors from Germany immigrated here in the 19th century Was it possible that there is a connection between his family and this Trump guy In the 1850s Sonora Aero Club Well you know if we just had that It would be this interesting little quirky thing But theres the rest of the story And thats where the 1903 comes in To give the quick background, I argue that how Solomon Andrews in the 1860's came to know about this anti-gravity stuff is that it was very possible he was associated somehow with members of the Sonora Arrow Club or one of the other groups we don't know about that Del Schell just alluded too.

24:17 And so you might have had some of the Sonora Aero Club guys involved in this black project, this post-Civil War black project. Now remember Solomon Andrews called his flying machine the Aeron and Delschow referred to the ones a decade prior as Aeros. I know that's a prefix having to do with things aeronautical, airplane and so forth. But it's interesting that there is this similarity in what they call their contraptions, okay? Now what I'm saying is if the pedigree of this black project includes guys from the Sonora Aero Club of the 1850s into this black project that stood up post-Civil War in 1865 and was involved in the 1890s airship mystery we know

25:08 that Donald Trump's known ancestor was in the United States by the 1880s, if he is also a descendant of the Trump and the Sonora Aero Club it's very possible that that Sonora Aero Club Trump you know, had some contact with or something to do with Donald Trump's ancestor that was here in the 1880s and that there might have been a Trump involved in this 1890s airship mystery milieu. Okay? Now that's not even the interesting part we get to this 1903 story where Tesla as I said before allegedly, you know an airship of his design flies to Mars and on so forth

25:51 You know, subsequently know that Tesla got involved with secret US technology as we got into World War II and to that era. We come to 1943 when Nikola Tesla dies. Okay? He lived in a room in a hotel in New York City and the day he died federal agents showed up at his room and removed documents from his personal safe Okay, now speculation is that these documents involved classified technology that he had been doing for the Office of Naval Research.

26:29 The FBI wanted to take a look at the time, at these papers. So they hired or enlisted an expert—a technical expert—to look at those documents. This is history. This is fact. There's no speculation here. The FBI hired this individual with the technical expertise to look at Tesla's papers that they were allowed to see by the Navy and I believe the Immigration Service of the time The guy that they hired to look through Tesla's papers was John Trump, Donald Trump's uncle who he has spoken of on several occasions. John Trump was I believe an electrical engineer and associated with MIT.

27:16 you can look him up real guy the president talk about all the time he was a guy who would understand tesla's papers now we're told that john trump reported to the fbi there is nothing here that would be of great importance for the war effort right now but there are some interesting ideas so That was a bombshell, really. That and the fact that there was a Trump in the Sonora Aero Club So what do I extrapolate from this? And it's speculation! I laid out for you how Donald Trump's ancestors could have been involved in this whole airship mystery technology development of the 19th century

28:04 If there were Trumps involved with this group I call the 1903, if there were Trumps that knew about what these guys had done in going to Mars and breaking away establishing their own little secretive group. It would be serving their interests if they had their family member, their guy John Trump taking a look at Tesla's papers to see if there is any mention of this alleged flight to Mars or this 1903 group. Right? And if John Trump

28:41 Was involved in this or played along You know, he might have played it down He might have removed the part about any mention of the 1903 or made sure that that remained secret classified whatever This is all a speculation but we have The uncle of the current president United States as you know He is the guy the FBI hired to look at Tesla's papers. Okay? We've got Tesla with his alleged connections to the airship mystery, you see the math and interesting math starts to add up. Now people will obviously say did this have anything to do with Donald Trump becoming president? My comments on that are this

29:27 Isn't it interesting that this guy, who set aside personal opinions or whatever. I'm not getting into a political discussion. Isn't it interesting that this particular guy who rubs so many people the wrong way and so forth and on he takes on the two most powerful political families of the last 30 years right? And they come across like flaccid, limp rags. Nothing they try works! Their hat is handed to them and they're told thank you bye-bye. Right. And then Hillary hangs in there and look what a fool she's made to look like. You gotta ask yourself wow who was powerful enough

30:12 render the Bush dynasty and the Clinton machine as impotent as they clearly became. I mean, look how soon Jeb was shot down! Oh my gosh, the tactics. Right? So you got to ask yourself what's interesting is every person who runs for president has a little mafia will say a little M I don't mean the Italian Mafia or whatever A little m they've got a powerful group behind them and you gotta ask yourself okay who was behind Trump Was it the Russians no that's friggin ridiculous Okay

30:51 based on all the stuff we're talking about this Trump and the Sonora Aero Club his you know Uncle John being the guy who got to see these famously mysterious Tesla papers think about that You've got this airship mystery history milieu. You've got trumps involved in that hmm Baby, I'm right maybe there is this group but yeah, I call the 1903 and It makes a lot of sense that NIMS ah would back up the Clinton machine, that NIMSA would also at the same time back up the Bush dynasty. Because with those two groups we're talking about globalists, we're talking about neocons, we're talking you know about modern fascist socialists—you know two sides of the same coin—that want to do the same thing with their power in the world they are

31:43 Clear NIMS a cutouts in my perspective. Mm-hmm So you would have an IMSA behind them? Well who could stand up to Nimza theoretically with all this stuff I've said so far today Who could stand up to nimza possibly the splinter group? Oh That's right, this other group the 1903 that what did I say about them before? They would have I firmly believe they would have and do if they exist. Oppose Nimza and apparently they can match their power because I suggest that that's who the mafia behind Donald Trump's winning

32:22 the presidency. That's who was behind him, that who helped him confidently take on... I mean because look at the Clinton dynasty or the Bush dynasty and the Clinton machine you know clearly they're both willing to do ruthless things right okay? And they looked like fools up against Trump's machine. That's true! One other element i wanted to bring up too-I don't know if you saw this but John G. Trump gave an interview for a school of radionics archival library you can find it on YouTube It's an old black and white interview where they got him at an old age have you seen this no I haven't oh, it is amazing because there are so many key words in it He talks about working for Weston when that became Bell labs when they changed their name to Bell Labs he also mentions

33:14 himself in the first person on camera he mentions consulting vannevar bush personally on his thesis and then vannevar recommended that he connect with another scientist whose name i can't remember it hadn't heard before but another scientists who was working on some wild theories that vannevar said he checked out. And they seem to have some merit so He has this problem he can't solve in his thesis. He goes to Vannevar Bush and Vannevar Bush recommends this guy who's working on wild theories, so that key term wild theories It sets off all kinds of alarm bells in my head and it is so interesting to see that particular interview And it ties up right into this nexus, but I guess my only confusion or contention would be that it seems like maybe we have a criminal or an underground network who just changed the horses they were going to back because Goldman Sachs Is funding both sides in a large way. We have this interview where John G Trump is working in the same

34:17 building is Vannevar Bush, I wonder if for some reason they just said out with the old we're going to go a different direction but it's still the same mafia or at least elements of it. At the top things are so interconnected that it's really hard to separate out two groups but you know you would know better than me. Unless unless you come from the perspective I'm going to share, to maybe illuminate this with an example. Now for three years when I was an OSI agent for my three years at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, I was chief of a counterespionage operations branch what that is double agent operations okay? now in the intelligence world you have spooks of opposing factions many times working side by side in a third party group all the time

35:09 And so, you know number one there is potentially a big explanation for what you just pointed out. So it can be confusing if you're outside this whole perspective You know well how come these guys are working the same place? They must be in cahoots and that might not have been the case It might have been that you have group A and Group B Okay Let's say they want to infiltrate The FBI now When I say infiltrate, they just want their guys to kind of be in the whole mix there and maybe move up the management structure. Eventually at some point have some influence over the FBI. Well Group A

35:53 recruits their young recruits, their young candidates and they get them to apply and they get them to become agents. And they help their career where they can now during the course of the day, the duty day these people, let's say group B does the same thing in Group A and B oppose each other but they each have their own young folks becoming FBI agents okay? Now during the day their duty day, these agents who each respectively represent Group A or Group B. They are FBI agents and they go about their duties in an honest way. They're legitimately following the law and they're doing what FBI agents do and such right? But behind them is this group from which they've been recruited to become an FBI agent

36:39 And wherever they hop around in their career, be it the FBI, be it the military, be whatever. You know NSACI or whatever They are still group A's boy or Group B's boys okay? They're not being traitors Telling secrets they shouldn't tell they just have that association now group a and group b oppose each other. They might each have their boys their respective agents on the same squad working bank robberies are working national security or whatever on the same squad, you know from opposing factions but in the course of their duties they're doing for the FBI. They're overt duties they're doing it right there doing it legally they are doing it right yet they are still associated with different factions

37:27 to what degree they're each, you know these agent representatives would be aware that they were really recruited by these groups. That differs but what I'm saying is yeah iIm going to say that goes on a lot more than people would realize and that could explain why you have John G Trump in the same place as Vannevar Bush and whoever else The other issue, here's the contention I have with my own theory. If this 1903 broke away and had this technology where the heck were they during the world wars? We really could have used them during World War II especially and i of course argue that NIMSA being behind the Nazis you know NIMSA was the real big enemy

38:16 as well as the Nazis in World War II. Where was this 1903? Well, in my opinion the answer to that was they had just broken away in 1903 The Prussian Nimza had 70 or 80 years on them okay when the 1903 breaks away they still had to develop themselves and their technology make their thing stronger This is why I argue that they emerged you know, around 2015 in our political process because they finally could. I argue that this is when they finally stood up and said, we're here. And we're here to play hard and that kind of took the NMSA by surprise so that too could explain how you have a guy like John Trump if he's affiliated with the 1903 working in the same places as these guys who we know are military industrial complex associated

39:17 Neo-Con, Neo Nazi associated and NMSA associated. Okay? Because 1903 was developing itself and so think about it you get your agents your double agents into Westinghouse or excuse me Bell Labs Or you know you get them into the military industrial complex to see what they're developing Because, you know it's my contention that our military-industrial complex obviously with its Operation Paperclip Nazi history and its foundation right? I argue that that's NIMSA. Okay anywhere you see post World War II Nazi military industrial complex That's just throw NIMSA on there in the background So naturally if the 1903 is trying to build itself up To be able to match the NIMSA and come at them

40:05 Well, they're going to put their guys as close to what NIMSA is doing in this military-industrial complex. So that they can kind of do a little corporate espionage so to speak and see what they're doing so that they can tailor their own development So that's the best explanation I've come up with so far for the question, where were these guys during the World Wars when we could have used them? They just weren't able to take on NIMSA and the Nazis at that time. Wow, not bad man. You make a really compelling case and of course counterintelligence is your expertise so we have to strongly consider the way you break this down the way you see it and I wanted to throw on a couple added elements to the Del Schau drawing that reads Trump because it is

40:54 eerily similar to the way they stamp Trump right across Trump Tower. It's right in the very top, similar type font I mean there is just a real synchronicity in the way it's displayed and what is the deal with these Trumps? They've just got to stamp their name on everything that seems to be something thats part of uh... their DNA And also another synchronicity that its just too wild to believe almost but This particular photo is in Delshow's series 4,500 if I'm not mistaken. It is? And Trump's the 45th president. Ain't that interesting! Right That's a whole conversation right there Greg. That has to do with the number nine and that's all whole conversation and I am not surprised you know I was aware of that through the whole election

41:43 Whoever would win would be the 45th president and just with the nine thing alone in the fact when Steven Romano pointed those plates out to me And it's in the 4,500 series. I laughed out loud because I said well of course now to go back to the name I want you to think about something think of the esoteric Magical implications of that name okay? The name is Trump I ask you, what did Donald Trump do in the primaries? What did he do to Hillary Clinton? What did he do to all of them? He trumped them. Just like in the card game and we use the term trumping and it's been used for years as kind of a euphemism for I whoop your ass

42:24 Yeah. So think about it, you've got this guy whose name is Trump so when you plaster that name on your stuff You're bringing the power of that concept Okay? This is magic! This is a form of magic It's psychological Hell yeah But it works You're saying boom I'm trumping you I trump YOU Right and so when you see my name in all caps and red letters and gold Boom there it is Basically it's saying, whatever you can do I will do better and I'll whoop your ass proving it. And to me there is why when you say what's up with these guys? You know, I would venture to say if we each had a name like that...

43:02 We might use it the same way. I mean, my first name when i was a kid and learned what Walter means strong rule of army oh hell yeah! I love that. I have fun with that all the time That's why don't go by Walt or Wally. I go by Walter because it's that strong you know strong role of army so It's the same thing and I think that's why Donald does it You know, on his power in the name. You know what? We live in an era where we demonize healthy ego even we demonized healthy aggression you know we want to take the teeth and the musculature off of males in our society okay we want a new

43:49 make them gentle, but nature says otherwise. Now I don't advocate running around being a brute okay who bullies everybody and such blah blah blah but it's this whole There is healthy ego. There is, you know just healthy rah-rah, you know thing that has been very productive in a positive way but we live in a time where we're supposed to deny that be polite and deny that well You know my view is I'm almost 54 years old. I gave up on that polite crap years ago because I see it

44:25 I will not be neutered. Fair enough, man! That's a mind frame that you know there are other guys who learn it early on. Hey you're not going to neuter me and look what i can accomplish and thats kind of my mindset I also wanted to throw in a couple of elements of internet speculation here with this Trump saga. But, in several situations we've seen fiction that mirrors real events and real covert projects one well-known example would be the book about the mighty ship The Titan and its crash into the iceberg written 14 years before the Titanic Saga Well, a parallel theme comes up in this saga too and I'm curious to get your thoughts on it. Because in 1893 right in the heart of all this stuff, a woman living in New York named Ingersoll Lockwood wrote a book called Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey where this boy goes down into the inner earth through a tunnel in Russia. The same author also wrote several other books in this Baron Trump series including one called The Last President which describes

45:28 severely polarized American crowds rioting and the riots start at a hotel on Fifth Avenue. Could that be Trump Tower? Now to add icing on this cake, the book describes the riots starting on the date of November 3rd which just so happens to fall on the next election day in 2020 So if the German last name of the 45th president appears in series 4500 of The Secret German Airship Drawings What the hell is going on with this book series? Isn't that extremely delightful. I love this kind of stuff look there is most definitely something going on what it is exactly, I couldn't tell you the whole thing. I will say The reason I am convinced of this

46:17 is personally, is due to things that I personally stumbled upon for myself years ago. And that has to do with why I wrote and how I found the threads to pull in The Empire of the Wheel books that I've written, and really in everything I've written. But I don't have enough to go forward and say completely why I'm convinced there's something going on but this kind of thing we're talking about these Ingersoll Rand books are just a tiny example of the kinds of things that are out there Some people have suggested time travel, okay? You know like there's some time travel machine and on and on so forth. I don't lean towards that

47:01 I do for grins and chuckles entertain the possibility that, you know looking through time within a remote viewing context. You know maybe there's something like that going on but indeed at first when i heard this i thought oh these books can't be real this yeah must be no pun intended trumped up. I had to buy one did you get one? Yeah i bought a physical copy because i couldn't believe it And it's real, right? Oh it's real. Yeah that's my understanding too that this is real well It could be let's have fun with this Let's look from the remote viewing perspective you know by no means was remote viewing The basic concept of it non-existent before the SRI guys did it for their now famous army operation Remote viewing and its concept has been going on since humans began I would say

47:54 Maybe these guys were able to remote view across time. I don't know, or maybe... they understood something about the mathematics of reality, the fabric of reality and how certain numbers are indicators of destinies and fates. Okay? And maybe they understood how to put the pins so-to speak in the fabric of reality could cause the ripples down the line now I am getting you know, some very esoteric things here. But maybe they understood how to manipulate that now there is this concept I was introduced to it by Cesari and forgive me I can't remember the name of the guy who originated it that he got it from but there's this concept of The let me see if I get this right yeah the axis of circumstance in the vector of desire

48:49 Okay, now Cesaris interpretation that we have discussed at great length Is that you have this axis of circumstances or all the lines of the factors of your personal life? They're out of your control like who your parents are like You know when you were a kid where they had to live and things like that Right and the things in the greater world out there that you don't control. Those are the circumstances with which in your life you have to deal with. The vector of desire is the degree to which your will affects your life within the context of those circumstances. Now,

49:28 Maybe somebody in Trump's family past understood something about that vector of desire and how it could affect or alter or set that axis of circumstances for someone down their line. Okay, now we're getting into weird stuff because quite frankly the existence of that book is damn weird. So it demands that we get weird and get way outside the box on that speculative limb. What do I think is going on? I'm not quite sure, but I am certain something's going on there. Something is going on there and I think that it involves

50:10 the true story of the 20th century, the true great mystery of our times. You know all these people say you know oh UFOs are greatest mystery of our time please give me a break! The mystery of the UFO is a subset of something bigger. Right it's a footnote. The UFO is not the big deal folks but Vallee said that that's not original with me that UFO I think he said that UFOs are a subset of something larger the whole extraterrestrial thing, that's just a subset folks. That's not the end-all be all answer to what we're talking about here We're talking about somethings been going on specifically for the last hundred and twenty hundred and fifty years Something has been going on that you can catch glimpses of when you really look close at the fabric of reality And it is elusive

51:04 And it just hasn't really – it's elusive for a reason, and that's because of I think the way things work. And somebody has figured out how to manipulate it. Usually when I'm being critical of you know, Cory Good and Wilcox and all these alleged whistleblowers Look. I argue if you figured out how to travel through time or influence time or whatever? I Argue that You're likely going to consider not blabbing it not going on a damn radio show like whatever nothing Not this one, of course. And saying I'm a time traveler... That's why I raised the BS flag on those guys First of all if it were true they would have been silenced before they got to that point or they would have been silence after the very first time they ran their mouths like that Okay? I don't care what they say Or what there advocates use to argue My point is somebody for the last hundred years or so

52:00 has really figured out how to send ripples down the line through time and space, and they've been messing with that. And it's a deep, deep secret! Yeah, man. I agree for sure and i wanted to get back to your work specifically too but the last thing i wanted to say about this is that the writer of Back To The Future has also clearly stated that Biff Tannen is based on Donald Trump and it's probably the most famous time travel movie in history or most famous time travel series in history and that's a pretty interesting coincidence too when you think about it

52:36 Okay, my question and I understand the whole thing about this and how what he becomes in the second one. My favorite one of those is the third one by the way oh gee it's in the old west and retrospectively kind of feels like the whole Sonora Aero Club era right? But anyway was the writer that saying this before the whole Trump became president era or has been something he said after that? I do think its something that he said I mean, maybe slightly before the election time. But I think there's some similarities if you look at their hairstyles for sure. If you look at the fact that Biff was a casino guy right in the movie he has like a big Trump-like casino. Well that's why i'm curious because what he's saying predates Trump becoming president then that does indeed make that whole development of those three films all the more interesting

53:31 He could be trying to capitalize, you know just on a popular cultural motif. You can't rule that out for sure but when you add those elements of the hairstyle the attitude in general The fact that he has the casinos and the fact that he has that painting of himself Above his desk. That's a very Trump type of thing So I'm gonna give it to him I think well i'm going to be having... It's interesting Hanging in the hall of my mom's house are photo portraits of my sisters and I. When I had mine done, it was the largest picture of all them in her hall mounted on a frame.

54:15 I'm sorry it's my 53 year old mind i guess anyway you know i did it as a goof and its placed what i did was when i hung in the hall, it hangs higher than all the other photos right that's what you get with the only boy in the family named Walter of all things. And im gonna be having another large Kind of portrait size done from my official book cover author photo done and I do these things kind of halfway You know really as a goof. I even was joking with my sister There's a place online where you can get a bust made of yourself all right? Oh, that's going to be the Christmas present for everybody in oh yeah

54:55 Yeah, man. I totally get you! I did the same thing in high school...I got my mom a cardboard cutout of myself and i got my dad a tie with uh..my picture all over it so there's no- I get the appeal um yeah that's part of it is that boyish man and you know when you're talking about a guy like Trump look what look I know they say oh he's done all these bankruptcies well let me tell you something and a for a reason, because they don't want us really coming together. That is true! I'll side with you on that for sure and i definitely also agree with you about the use of healthy ego especially humor in regards to that too but i guess i would probably just say uh from my own clarity that i probably split with you and thinking that you know trump's motivations for his ego inflation are the same

56:09 as mine were in that day or what I would consider to be something that's healthy, but that's just my opinion. I definitely agree with you also that they are working to divide us and that's probably the bigger issue but I also wanted to switch gears a little bit and get into some other interesting things that you've been talking about. I know a lot of the inside information you have seems to come from disclosures you got from your father and a mentor that you had when you were working for military intelligence. And since we last talked You wrote a book called Shimmering Light Lost in an MKUltra House of Anu which talks about A situation where your father was involved in a crashed UFO retrieval and 1958 if I have this right he seems to have the impression that The pilots weren't alien but a branch of humans that broke off From humanity at ancient times and colonized underground Which seems to vibe with a lot of the things we've been talking about can you tell us a little more about? The story there, and how it

57:08 ties into maybe the larger saga? Sure. To better define actually what's in there, because it can get confusing okay he encountered under the ground humans that had gone underground during a surface cataclysm across the planet it is my understanding and I hope the book conveys this upon reading that the group that was civilization Allegedly flying the thing that crashed at roswell that was specifically a different group in the humans he encountered that had gone underground they were yes really.

57:47 underground, this group flying the machine. But they were a group of humans from another civilization from another place and that's how I get into discussing the Tué de Dinan because they may have been...the group flying the device may specifically have been a group of humans from some other place off this planet outside our world that came here in ancient times and have stayed here and influenced human civilization while kind of remaining separate from us. Or I should say, and I get into this in the new book they helped develop us for a while but then they withdrew and became very selective with their encounters with us this is all the theory and speculation and this matches the lore

58:40 I have started and i go into this in the book im not gonna try to go into it here even put a thumbnail but i have started referring to them as the twig danu. Can i explain why in the book show the distinction between the original group we're talking about and their human client, tribes or cultures or nations that they backed up, okay? And that actually are the ones mostly discussed in the Celtic lore and histories of what was going on in prehistoric Europe and on and so forth. It is the group that came from the other world that I call the Tué Danou that is in the context

59:26 Who I think and exactly what my dad was describing Did I confuse the issue more? No, no. Because that Celtic lore is exactly what I was going to ask you about is its connection there because in one of your YouTube videos you described the similarities between these quote unquote alien beings that people experience and fairy lore and actually some of the technology described in that lore matches the kind of shape-shifting cloaking technology that's talked about in these experiences And I am not the first to go there. Really, the first guy to go there that I was introduced to this concept by was Jacques Vallée. Yeah! You know he's famous as a UFO investigator through the 60s and 70s and 80s into 90s... ...and HE really began to see this similarity and more he dug into it, more he found this group specifically the Tueteneux.

1:00:24 Twe de Denain, take your pick. It's the Twe essentially is the same root that's in there and what's interesting is and I'm not the only guy to notice this really after he reached a point where he began to see this similarity between these alleged extraterrestrials and the Twe and the fairy lore and all that really kind of backed off writing about UFOs and doing so much of that. And I think that's significant, and I'm not the only one who has noticed this And my understanding from people I know who have had very recent private conversations with him, he still holds that basic position. Now that's not to say that either he nor I deny the possibility or existence of extraterrestrials Yes, of course they exist. Of course he thinks they exist. Yes, of course they are responsible for a certain percentage of UFOs so-to speak but it cannot be discounted

1:01:26 the cases and the encounters which really reflect more this Tway group. Now, that said I go into this in my book the original roots of this Tway are off this planet off our let's say off our reality because they're either from another planet or another dimension oh boy i said it! And yes there are things that I've come across in my research And other things that make me speak of this confidently, that I know I don't go into publicly. Part of that is because there are things that I cannot offer any documentary evidence or enough that I feel it justifies putting in... You know, I'm not going to ask people for money to buy a book just full of pure take my word for

1:02:18 speculation. I try in my books and my talks to present the things that i can point to either documents or a known proven historical context, to back it up right? But in the realm of those things I don't talk about and won't talk about are the things that convince me of the direction I'm going with this mysterious tway denouement Well, I am intrigued man. I really do think you do great work. I know there will be comments that say there is no such thing as an ex-military intelligence guy and... You know what? All those guys, I hope you're listening right now okay but you know what? I wish because i'd be getting a paycheck okay if you were to see my house right now I need cabinets in the kitchen some of my drawers are missing their faces

1:03:09 Just my tiling. I just, you know, my-I live in a house that's falling apart and i don't have the money to fix it up. You know if I were that okay? I wouldn't be...you know.. My life would be a lot different. Okay so here's why i laugh at them they're ignorant what the hell they're talking about okay and because i know that i'm not you know this info agent, add a course of well yeah he's gonna say that but you don't have gone so far down the paranoia stream that. They need to check themselves right but what can we do again that part of it crossing the rubicon

1:03:48 they're gonna say what they're going to say and maybe what I put out there isn't important for them to consider. You know, I have to consider that too it just may not be anything they need yeah well i understand their perspective overall just because people you know the community has been burned in the past but I've always thought of you specifically as honest about your background, honest about what's been disclosed to you versus what speculation and when your body work is compared to the Andy Visagio epic tales of jump rooms to Mars or Cory Goodswild stories it seems way more plausible and

1:04:23 DOTS seem to have some logic to their connections, and it's based on more than just personal testimony. So I appreciate it and put you in a different category than a lot of that other stuff. Thank you! I hope that my background and honesty about it does help with credibility because I'm one of those guys with the background who really does have the background that I claim But who is not out there trying to sell, you know a line of horse crap just to make a buck You know There's things I could be doing that would be making me a lot more money. I Just found out recently that some of these guys get paid when they do these podcasts Greg. I'm not To do any of them. Yeah A podcast guest union we got to shut that down right now It's like what the heck? What do you mean? Yeah particular researcher said yeah my agent makes me

1:05:17 Charge X number of dollars. I'm like what that wait a minute going on there's what I'm doing wrong well, I will say that the only time that's ever come up in the years if I've been doing this is uh the Liaisons for Steven Greer asked what the compensation would be and I was like yeah You know I look at doing these things as this is promotion you know I get Yeah, it's a win-win. Yeah I get to tell people where to buy my books if they choose too! You know what? I finally reluctantly put a donate button on my Empire of the Wheel blog spot just because you know well everybody else is doing it and yeah I am flat broke and it would help but you've never heard me this is the first time I think I've mentioned it on your show ever that I have a donate button I don't push the hell out of it I think I just recently tweeted it

1:06:08 Well, everyone should get supported for their work. And I don't think that we should segregate the conspiracy community and say oh well if you're making money off work in this realm only then it's bullshit but yet every other realm of life people are supposed to do what they're good at and What they enjoy right? And nowhere else does it have any merit on their authenticity Right! And I think that's a serious issue for us I remembered my point. The point is, I do these podcasts because I look at it as promotions even when I speak at events

1:06:45 If I make any money from that event, you know they pay for it. I tell them you need to pay for my transportation and lodging and give me some space to sell some books. That's where if i make anything its putting my books on a table. Im not paid to actually speak at something that I haven't been or recalled or if i was it was like you know nominal in fact i think i did one tv appearance where i just discovered that, i forgot to mail and you know the tax info thing they need to i guess pay so i haven't even pursued what is you know the nominal fee i supposed to get on that shows you do i want to make money yeah but my perspective has been well people who are interested myself will hopefully buy my books

1:07:29 That's how I make my money. I don't think of these, every time I open my mouth or deign to appear before the masses that I'll get paid. I consider it...I'm lucky that you're asking me to do this so anybody who asks me to do their show is like oh cool! To ask them to pay me in this thing? And I feel very lucky to have great guests too. There's some excellent, excellent research being done out there and the fact that they'll come on and spend a couple hours with me is very humbling too but it is a win-win the media game we play. It is fun to think about the fact that we're addressing a crowd larger than the capacity of Madison Square Garden several times over and we don't even have to leave the house

1:08:14 And that said, man. Big thanks! Keep doing what you do I'm really looking forward to that new book coming out and i'm sure we can talk about more stuff in more details when it does and until then keep it up! Alrighty thank you Greg for having me on and now look forward to talking with you again You got a man have a good one Alright you too And boom goes the dynamite good people of the internet Boom indeed Walter Bosley he's the goddamn man And I don't know if he's critical enough of Trump for half of you out there, but when hating a guy like Trump is so fashionable... You kind of got to respect the contrarian. I don't have a whole lot of nice things to say about any president But it is just funny when I know I'm gonna see comments like oh I had to shut this off and the guest started Justifying Trump's behavior as if you couldn't possibly get past something like that To actually hear these super unique and interesting things that the guest does have to say

1:09:10 It's like, how do you deal with your grandparents or your gun-loving uncle? Don't we all spend time with friends and family that have views on politics or philosophy or religion that is different than us. Does anyone actually just do a 180 and walk the other way? We shouldn't be so rigid! That's the only reason I'm kinda on this thing again. Many of us are pretty on edge right now and caught up in a particular identity or worldview, and I'm just trying to bring everybody to the table and say look! I don't care what each of us thinks about Trump as a man or as a president... ...I just think it's fucking amazingly weird that his name is on these Charles DelShao drawings. I think its fucking fascinating that his uncle had the career he had

1:09:52 Let's just hold hands around the digital campfire and take in those incredible facts and what they could mean. I don't care that Walter is a bit more pro-military in his outlook, I mean that's his world he grew up in that stuff worked in that stuff And that's the reason he has a lot of the insights that he actually gets to share with us Me? I'm a weak nerd who's held a gun three times in his life so funny how it works out right Clearly our experiences shape us a whole lot, and it doesn't make one person right and one wrong necessarily. Regardless I did like Walter's explanation of how he sees the shadow government operating and that every candidate has its own small M mafia backing them And you can have agents and double agents in the same groups

1:10:36 Because these operations and this espionage and these plants, they aren't new. So their strings are more and more tangled as time goes on That's how I see things too to a large degree But i'm glad we got to do this! I finally got to talk to someone at length about the weirdness that is baron trump's journey into the inner earth And all of this Tesla stuff... ...And thats another trigger thats gonna set off some flat earth fans How can tesla build a craft to mars in 1903 when space isn't real? Well, we don't know what's real and what isn't unless we're talking about the moon landing footage. But it has been all the CGI and fake stuff from NASA that sent me down the rabbit hole more than anything else! And I think the more likely interpretation of that fuckery is that we have shadowy groups that are much further along then they want us to believe

1:11:24 And I'll cite Gary McKinnon getting into the Pentagon computers and seeing lists of military astronauts stationed on space platforms more than a decade ago. And there are many little conspiracy sagas like Gary McKinnon's, and i don't think those are the PSYOPs... ...I think those are the small tears in the veil of secrecy." So maybe this narrative is possible? I definitely like it! Let's give Walter some props for all the aspects of subterranean life and lost cities that enters into his work and anecdotes As this was going on, I was thinking well goddamn Walter and me have a lot more of a synergy when it comes to the aspects of the alternative world that we like to see most. I mean even go back to the first show i ever did with Walter about his book Latitude 33 The Arcane Science and Hermetic Engineering Of The Happiest Place On Earth That is a great topic right? Ley lines and natural magic where Disneyland is placed

1:12:19 And his secret mission series is right up my alley too. So I think Walter deserves more credit and attention than he gets, which makes me happy to have him back on the higher side and also on the subject of his books He did want me to mention that he pulled most of his books from Amazon You know we all fight our battles against the various overbearing titans of industry And now he sells his books on lulu.com, that's L-U-L-U dot com and then you can search Walter Bosley and find his whole repertoire But let him know you like this show throw him some love it's hard out here for a pimp We all want to feel appreciated once in awhile and speaking of appreciation big thanks to everyone who participated in my reddit AMA 95% positive comments and questions so I can't complain over 100 cues were aid

1:13:09 And another bit of news, people who have been hoping wishing and praying for a Hireside Live event you need pray no more. It's happening! The Hireside Chats with Greg Carlwood and the Tinfoil Hat with Sam Tripoli are doing a joint podcast live in front of an audience at the Ice House Comedy Club in Pasadena I am really psyched, I am really nervous You don't want to throw a party that nobody shows up for... ...and I got a bit my reputation out there on the line And these comics are hoping I can actually put asses in seats and people actually might want to see me.

1:13:44 It's only 10 bucks. It's on October 10th at the Ice House in Pasadena Please, please, please come if you can I think there are tickets still available I did have a couple dozen people tell me they were gonna come just from the social media posts But... You can trust about ten percent of that usually? I don't know how we're going to do the guests I think Sam says we have Eddie Bravo for all the Rogan fans out there I've never met Eddie but i'm kind of psyched too So that's my deal. Sign up for PLUS if you want to get twice as much higher side today with Walter, we got into the underground chamber found below Carlsbad Caverns and the remnants of an ancient civilization We talked about the story of his father and the humans he encountered that had gone underground What Walter's military mentor told him was found in Antarctica in the 1950s That's pretty amazing Also David Wilcock and Cory Good

1:14:36 for people who know those names. And then we talked about other stories from the subterranean realms, all good stuff classic higher side stuff I hope you join the club TheHigherSideChatsPlus.com I also posted a really interesting newspaper article i found from Tesla's day about one of his discoveries or inventions that I'd never heard of it's an eternal youth chair where he's quoted in describing how everyone will look forever young when they get zapped by his electrical current It's really interesting, kind of relates to what we talked about today but you can see the article on the PLUS forums. And before I really get out of here there is one more thing... I was watching Roger Stone's press conference today and if you haven't watched the Netflix doc Get Me Roger Stone wow! You should talk about a guy who has some serious influence behind the curtain but

1:15:23 He was talking to the media today about the whole Russian collusion thing, and he made one pretty interesting remark. And did you have any other communication with Russia beyond that? None whatsoever and I had made that public yesterday we released the entire exchange which takes place i believe between August 15th and September 9th many weeks after the publication by WikiLeaks of the DNC material, meaning collusion with Guccifer in the hacking and release of that material would be impossible

1:16:00 Unless I owned a time machine, which i do not. Yeah you might not Roger but you just might know someone who does Well that's it for me folks your move time-traveling trumps nimza nazis and the secret order of the martian colony Your fucking move Woke up this morning with light in my eye And then realized It was dark outside It was like coming down from the sky Don't know who or why Must be those strangers that come every night Whose saucers shaped light put people uptight Leave blue-green footprints that glow in the dark

1:17:09 I hope they get home Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along? I won't do anything wrong Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along the high side Woke up this morning

1:17:49 I was feeling quite weird. I had flies in my beard, My toothpaste was smeared. I opened my window they'd written my name Said so long we'll see you again Hey Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along? I won't do anything wrong Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along the higher side? Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along

1:18:54 I won't do anything wrong Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along the high side?