Troy McLachlan | The Saturn Death Cult Revisited

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00:55 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a- I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats How's it going, Hireside Chatters from sunny San Diego? I'm Greg Carlwood and despite the best efforts of the Capstone Cabal. I hope you're hanging in there! But isn't it interesting that regardless of what era you're in that seems to be the best we can do hang in there while the parasitic puppet masters of The Power Pyramid experience an opulence we can hardly conceive of

01:44 From Babylonian banking priesthoods to the wackos of the World Economic Forum, this structure and cultural management system seems to be as ancient as anything. And the most dependable constant in human history. The many keep breaking their backs to prop up the few in a trickle-up everything ultimate enslavement system that's certainly no accident sometimes brutally overt and sometimes hidden behind the thin veneer of freedom in fractional reserve banking. But it's all designed to slowly suck the resources, income and energy of the masses into the oily appendages of a nefarious few."

02:22 And this more-for-me management philosophy doesn't necessarily need a deeper rooted origin story other than it works and the incentives are pretty self evident. But what if it does actually spiral out of a fractured subconscious memory of a true golden age? A radical reconfiguration of our cosmic terrarium and a rich Saturnian symbolism coursing through the culture created by those who have the power to do so! Well, that is the outlook of today's returning guest Troy McLachlan. Best known for his book The Saturn Death Cult which connects the cosmic history of the Electric Universe model to the real world control structure we can't seem to escape

02:59 Since we last spoke way back in 2014, Troy has released an updated and expanded version of the Saturn Death Cult as well as a prequel of sorts called The Purple Dawn Of Creation A Journey Into A Time Before Time Began And a speculative work on Donald Trump's prophetic connections to an obscure Israeli king called Donald Trump An American Jehu Given the context of our times it is a real pleasure to speak with him again the Saturn death cult dot connector electric universe expander and six slavery system sense maker. Troy my man welcome back to the higher side hey greg it's a real pleasure to be with you gay

03:40 Yes, I am very excited about this one. I think seven years is a record long gap for return guests around here that first show definitely left an impact on me and in that interview you cited an elite plan to manifest the false golden age through technology desire of theirs to call the herd and expectation that as the screws tighten on the people, things would start to get away from them as it did with empires of the past. And I guess I would ask how do you think those predictions stack up to the things we've actually been going through in the COVID era? Seems like a hit to me! Yeah very much so. I have gotta say optimistically that its not going well for them which pleases me even though we've called some of the aspects that were seen today

04:34 particularly what is an overt obvious attempt to call the herd so as to speak, to bring the world population down to that number that's been trotted out because of the Georgia Guidestones at 500 million human population number. As a result of their attempts at trying to do that it seems that they've overplayed their hand and things are not going very well for them. They didn't get the war they wanted People are not responding to the current covid situation the way they probably wanted and it's very hard to see but we're in for a very rough times.

05:13 and as we talked about last time everything from the major religions to the major financial structures to the graduation cap it all relates to, the symbolism of the sun either the first son saturn or the new sun that has emerged in our current system But given how many things tend to relate to whatever our life giver star is, it's interesting that we call this the coronavirus. The biggest operation of my lifetime and it's pegged right there to the same symbols that its rooted in. They can't help themselves can they? Once you have the key to this once you understand and particularly

06:01 The book that I've written tries to make that point, that what was often referred to as Sun worship –as in the Sun we see rising and setting today–in ancient times was very much focused on a very different sun. And it's that sun that is the basis of what you would call Saturn worship because of the connection to the actual planet Saturn having once been a sun in its own right in ancient times the symbolism, they can't escape it. And here we are today with just yet another addition to this plethora of symbols that people can open their minds to and understand once they get the key as to what was happening in the mythological ancient past

06:50 Absolutely well said and today things are certainly off the rails now they just want everyone bowing down at the altar of cove it. But you were probably the first guest to really break down the Electric Universe model, Velikovsky and the Saturnian Sun hypothesis. And now we've had many guests talk about it since but I still consider you the best because David Talbot can break down the mythology while Thornhill will break down the science but you relate this cosmic cataclysm to the frame of mind of the elite, the exploitation structure we can't seem to escape and the Saturnian symbolism obsession that we see seeded all throughout culture. Award show rituals and many other traditions that we have. Let's start there just to get everyone on the same page but remind people how these things are connected? Yeah well you know I've got to say a shout out to Jay Widener

07:55 He was the guy through his work on Stanley Kubrick and Stanley Kubrick's brushes with an elite pedophile group of people. It was Jay who alerted me to the connection between what is so obviously satin worship amongst the modern day elites, and its connection back to the ancient form of the worship particularly when he highlighted the fact that Kubrick's seminal film 2001 They originally wanted to use saturn as the main planet in that film and they had some very shallow. Excuse that i couldn't get the rings looking good or anything like that so they went to jupiter but jay was convinced it, they were getting too close party place of the bone for these people to let go out in terms of exposing where the elite are

08:47 So yeah basically two golden ages my books objective still even with this update thing is always been to expose the. Rotten mythical foundation on which much of the occult and the esoteric based while also exposing the modern use a symbolism and central banking system of debt base finance as, the chief control mechanism for planetary control by select elite The way I try to achieve the subject in the book is by highlighting the existence of a traditional occult belief in two very different golden ages. One that was an ancient and beautiful mythological age ruled over by the mythical god Saturn, and when we say Saturn has various forms in all the other mythologies that have this very similar version of that story

09:42 And this golden age was the one that came to a destructive end sometime in the mythological past. And there is a second golden age, the other being a future man-made technology driven golden age that is planned well they hope planned to be brought about some time in the future for the benefit of privileged elite. Of course this isn't elite that follows distorted occult understanding of the original golden nature saturn which now considers themselves to somehow be the rightful inheritance and custodians of that ancient Saturnian legacy. What I do is, I call upon a radical new cosmology that I feel explains the natural origins of this original mythical Saturn Golden Age and this is a new cosmology that completely reappraises the recent history of the solar system in its formation

10:38 This makes up the first part of the book, while the second part of the book otherwise overviews the rise of this insidious worldwide occult culture. I need to emphasize that I'm writing about a culture not an actual group but a culture. This culture has arisen with the aim of the establishment of a new golden age where privileged elites live off the backs of others sustain their ideas for bringing about this new golden age i think it's best summed up as along the lines of those in charge is there idea. Those in charge get to eat free while planning a new and better world for themselves at the average person is not invited to take part in, end this thinking capitalizes on deeply ingrained archetypes doomsday and god archetype within the collective human psyche

11:32 and has been exploited to control popular beliefs, political systems all for the benefit of these elites coming down through the ages in one way or another. However I argue that humanity can break free of the exploitation these archetypes through the understanding that there is a natural explanation as to why mankind has been afflicted by these destructive archetypes. So knowledge of this natural explanation, this new cosmology I believe goes a long way to helping people free themselves from being victim of exploitation via these archetypes through the use of symbols and other control mechanisms. And of course i argue that if you want to see the ultimate manifestation

12:15 of what they've been planning, COVID is very much at the very top. But the underlying factor I've always argued is the existence of a debt-based financial system, this central banking model that we all basically have to pay tribute to." Well that's an excellent summary and it is important yes to mention that this is a culture not one specific secret society but a cult of ideas, a culture which certainly has Has driven many specific secret societies and a cult orders through the ideas alone right i mean so it's more like we should nest those secrets society is under, the saturn death cult philosophy rather than the other way around or get confused yeah absolutely.

13:06 It's not about some car carrying club of satanic cannibals as a title of my book mind to apply to some. I'm not joking when i say it actually worse than that because, when i talk about the seven death cult is a term i use to describe a predatory culture that is prevalent amongst most of the world socioeconomic and political cult elites It's a term that refers to a hidden culture that has developed over the centuries, mostly due to this unfortunate distorted understanding of the mythological record. A record of mythologies that is shared by virtually all peoples and tribes in one form or another I would say these multiple mythologies are... And this is key to understanding where I'm coming from with this What these mythologies actually are

13:59 are the actual human witnessed accounts of ancient catastrophic planetary events involving the five, what I call the five naked eye planets of our solar system and in particular the planet Saturn. And this took place during a time when Earth's skies looked radically and frighteningly different. It was a time when Earth and its inhabitants had suffered traumatizing doomsday event that devastated the Earth and brought about the unheard at that point in time, the unheard of condition of resource scarcity. And it was this radically changed environment that led Earth survivors to embrace the concept of kingship looking for leadership that reflected this ancient sort of golden age time when Saturn ruled a time of plenty

14:50 And it's due to the rise of this concept of kingship that has developed a universal claim-to authority amongst elites that eventually manifested itself amongst earthly kings and leaders as the authority, they increasingly claim is based on some kind of supposed reflection of the will of the gods. The chief god among the gods being the supreme creator Saturn archetype in which All these claims to authority are supposedly based so what i hope to convince readers of is that the sinister. Aspect behind this concept of kingship and authority in priesthood religion is a belief that whatever the creator force behind the universe might be,

15:40 particularly that those forces behind these planetary catastrophes. This is a force that can be manipulated into favoring select groups of people at the expense of the greater population, which in their mind must be controlled completely in order to achieve their objectives. Now the kind of people who embrace this cultural distortion are people who have also fully embraced the idea that power and it's a role in society is never a matter of exercising justice they look on the simply as a matter of putting quotes having influence in their minds therefore. Influence manifests itself in the gaining and use power and over centuries the saturn created god archetype has been

16:30 refined as a control mechanism through the use of symbols and rituals to provide what I believe to be the single most effective enslavement mechanism ever devised, and that is this modern central banking model of international debt finance. Yeah, the rise of kingship and resource scarcity. So I don't want to spend too much time explaining the details of the cosmology in the old Saturnian Sun configuration because you can get really lost in the details and we did it before but if we assume the Saturn sun system did exist and we have

17:08 add an environment of perpetual twilight without seasons and abundance was easy to attain, contrast that old configuration with the new one we have now and how that would affect the human dynamics and culture because that is important context for the saturn death cult mindset to be properly understood right. Yeah yeah no it's crucial it's actually at the center of everything that i would call saturn. Death cult this idea that the earth was a paradise for period of time and then radically and disastrously changed,

17:50 When effectively the solar system reconfigured into one that we see today but prior to they had been very very different. And the result of that change took human experience from one of where they did not have to worry when it comes to feeding themselves there is perpetual harvest on the earth the Earth gave of its bounty without any major work from humans. And the resulting change that took place, and we can go to clarify for people why that change took place what the cosmological circumstances were that changed from that time of paradise into a new world which was a time of scarcity in other words The Earth started to experience seasons

18:40 This resulted very much in people having to scrounge around for food and what would be called the winter season that they'd never experienced before. And as a result of scarcity, people had to organize and attempt to combat scarcity through economy. When that changed it was the control of economies and the resources that economies were trying to exploit that provided fertile ground for the rise of exploitive system of control in which elites would seek to have other people do the work necessary to give them a life that they considered to be similar to what had been lost when the Golden Age came to its catastrophic end. And I've always pointed to the mythological aspects of the Bible as a very good key point for people, it's not a religious point that I'm making or anything is just quite simply this, according to this particular tradition

19:45 When the earth suffered this cataclysm human kind went into a situation where it was by the sweat of their brow they would now make the yield fruits. And the way i like to explain that is that there is obviously a group of people who have no intention to sweat. When it comes to making you feel this fruits and would rather create a system, that forces other people to do the sweat for them while they go about living life twitch day field entitled Mm hmm mm hmm yes man and in the seven years since we last talked i've spoken with a lot of guests to lay out the more occult or esoteric perspective on reality. Where consciousness is primary rather than matter,

20:35 These kinds of ideas coupled with a lot of the things that jive with the views of indigenous cultures that the Catholic Church tried to stomp out and more animus perspective that consciousness permeates from all things from grass and rocks two planets in stars. And all this is just to say that these are the ideas swirling around in my world view these days and it makes me wonder about the consciousness of Saturn or the consciousness of the sun and how these qualities almost in an astrological way might be reflected in the environment. Or that all the things that spill out at these different configurations

21:16 might have a root in the consciousness of these bodies and the results that we see might just be how they're expressed. Kind of weird one, but what do you think? Yeah I'm very partial to the writings of Rupert Sheldrake and his concepts of what are called morphic fields and the idea that nature gets better more it does something. It caters for the idea that distortions can take place Within these morphic fields that exist i think one of the things that's most interesting is that.

21:53 When people describe the way the brain's electrical components, you know the electrical impulses that we see in the brain. It looks very similar to what we see in the greater universe is almost as if the universe is a how would you say so with giant version of what human brain has within itself there are lot of strong similarities there and this is where Electric universe electricity itself as a power source is showing us in new way of looking at the universe where electricity and not gravity defines. The physics and because electricity is very much apart of our thought processes in our own brains but also part

22:38 the way that the Electric Universe model says physics works in the greater universe, there has to be some kind of connection there. I would also throw in the role of water. I'm adherent to the thinking of Viktor Skalberger. As far as Skalberger and so on was concerned, water becomes that physical connection into the electricity of life – the evanescence That is absolutely essential throughout the universe and it's very interesting because water is, the weirdest substance in the universe on this one point. It is the only substance known to science that expands when both cooled and heated now that's odd everything when it cools it contracts and when it heats it expand but water is the opposite once it reaches what's called its anomaly point which is about four degrees Celsius

23:33 When it reaches the anomaly point, if it gets cooler, it'll start to expand and become ice. And if it gets hotter, it starts to expand and ultimately becomes vapor or steam. The electrical properties of water and the crystalline nature of its role in our own bodies very much reflects what we see about us On the earth at a planetary level and then that is transferred very much into how water. Behave in space weather it's with brown dwarfs stars which copies what carriers ice moons all these sorts of things have water about them, end the roles electricity plays informing their

24:19 you know, various configurations and manifestations in terms of the physics. I think there is a deep spiritual level under this that we're only really starting to discover. Yes! I agree. That is another Rail on the things we've explored over the years that there might be a secret science of electricity plasma water and spiraling vortexes you take these all these things together and there's a whole branch of science that just seems to be suppressed we talked to doctor jerald pollack about his work and his book and has a phase of water i'm glad you're familiar h203 or the plasma phase of water and the implications for health. For technology i mean they're pretty staggering we might adjust,

25:09 given out the rough blueprints of how to build a UFO, you know an anti-gravitic craft because it seems to be plasma and spiral vortexes. And electricity seems to... Be the primary force that gravity comes from so if you alter the charge You just alter the magnetism of gravity. It's like the earth has a negative charge So create a spinning metal saucer with a negative charge and then you seem to be able to counter gravity Yeah. Well, as Wal Thornhill often points out that gravity really is an electrostatic phenomenon. One of the most incredible things that has come out of what's called Saturn theory this idea of Earth having been a satellite or Saturn once and then Saturn captured by the Sun and Earth being separated

26:01 One of the great mysteries that has come down through the age of these periodic die off events, these extinction events. And a co-author of mine Ted Holden he sort of came up with an insight when he pointed out the impossibility of dinosaurs in the current gravity environment and of course this is anathema to mainstream sciences that says gravity is a constant like they claim speed of light as a constant So they will tell you that dinosaurs walked around on a planet that had almost exactly the same gravity that we have now. But the Electric Universe gives scope to the fact, that the idea of giant land-based creatures getting smaller through extinction events over time is because we've had periodic adjustments to our gravity where our gravity has got heavier and heavier and heavier so that according to Ted Holden

26:57 Earth's gravity may have one time under Saturn, because of its electrical relationship to Saturn. It may have one time had a third of the gravity that we experience today and as each electrical shock or event takes place and changes that electrical relationship, that dynamic, we see changes to gravity in it seems to have been in the range of getting heavier and heavier And we now live in a time on the earth where land creatures largest you can get our elephants are about full extent before something starts to collapse on itself, what's the latest creature service existed on planets blue whale but it's held up and the buoyancy of the oceans but you put a blue whale beach and start to collapse under its own weight eventually suffocate.

27:48 This seems to have been a factor that is well described by the Electric Universe. I recently did an interview where somebody made a point, and it was very good, where this idea of longevity that we find in many of the mythologies where humans live to extraordinary ages and so on... And then at a certain point in time, if you take the biblical record, it talks about the age of humanity being restricted to 120 Earth years whereas before you had people living 700, 900 years. The point made was that this may have been a result of the planetary reconfiguration taking place at particularly the time of Moses and before may have led to a gravity change that is tough on the human physical being

28:40 And that gravity pool is probably one of the big contributors as to why we can't live past. If you people have been hundred twenty three i've heard something like that nobody gets a hundred thirty and we have this limitation on us maybe do you yet another, gravity change and it seems so we may be going through another gravity change the french shocks at the moment because their kilogram i think its piece of platinum That they have a controlled environment that is the final measure of what i can't gram should way to their shock has got three to six electrons heavier and understand why because nothing hands got into that control environment.

29:27 to rest on it or push down on the tour anything like that so maybe they're kilo if you take the electric universe concept and what seems to be a change going on in our electric relationship to the sun itself hence the global warming stuff that we see. As opposed to carbon emissions but that change may actually be subtly changing our current level of gravity Yeah that's really interesting i've listened to a couple of biohackers talk about longevity and how it relates to the teal amir's in our dna and that teal amirs can be affected by the amount of carbon or hydrogen. That they interact with,

30:10 And that's going to be dictated by our overall environment for sure. It even makes me think about carbon 14 dating, because that whole discipline assumes that the carbon is constant and at time depths of millions of years it probably isn't these cataclysms and environmental changes would throw a giant wrench in any kind of timeline that you tried to create using carbon. Yeah Carbon dating might work in the scales of a couple thousand years or at the most three thousand years or something but just the simple. Cosmic radiation that rains down on this is enough to put into doubt the carbon clock, people rely on for dating and so i'm like that it's a little bit like every now and then science find something that they believe chest essentially explains everything in the solid and there's a constant

31:07 that will always be there, like ice core dating carbon dating in criminology fingerprints and even DNA. And later on we find that we're only scratching the surface but yeah carbon dating has loads of problems and being inaccurate measure of time Absolutely, and the carbon clock. I definitely like that! That's a nice one and we should take a little time to tell people what you've added to the new revised and expanded edition of the book probably the most exciting new material to me is The connection to the work of Peter Mark Adams being included Peter is a previous guest of mine listeners might remember his book Game of Saturn which covers the Sola Boushka tarot deck as you write

31:54 Peter Mark Adams has uncovered documented evidence of a Saturn cult existing within the near modern elites of the Italian Renaissance. His book, Game Of Saturn is a marvel of esoteric scholarship and provides us with the evidence of an unbroken link between ancient occult Saturn worship and the modern world elites I learned a tremendous amount from Adams' book and have included much of this in the new edition While i'm with you loved that book and Peter's work. What would you say about his discoveries, and how well it fits into your work? Well when I first wrote Saturn Death Cult making that connection between what's going on in the world today and the obvious evidence we have for some of the more horrific aspects of Saturn worship which is human sacrifice child sacrifice even child cannibalism

32:50 These sorts of grotesque ideas there is a disconnect with the full horror of that in terms of modern world because i love us cannot comprehend it would be people particularly what we would call our leads. They might be back kind behavior going on we can accept that the, Carthaginians and the Canaanites, even the Romans and certain Roman emperors were capable of this kind of abhorrent behavior when it came to killing children. Who could possibly conceive that kind of thing going on in a modern age particularly in last 20-30 years when we've got people walking around with cameras on their phones better than the cameras I was using when I worked in television in the 1980s? Something would leak out something would come to the fore

33:40 So as I said earlier, it was the work of Jay Widener who first alerted to me that there was a connection between the ancient history of Saturn worship and that Saturn worship had somehow survived. Particularly its pedophilic tendencies in terms of its rituals and this use of children. It's somehow survived through the modern age, but there was still that gulf between ancient Rome and what's going on in the 20th century going into 21st century. How do you fill up the rest of space in terms of documented evidence that there is this unbroken link of Saturn worship down through the ages? Peter Mark Adams' book is

34:25 That is the link. That was a documented evidence that even though he has never made the statement that they actually engaged in what this Solibusketero deck depicts and so on, that they may have sacrificed babies or anything along those lines—there's no evidence of them actually having done that—but the importance is that they were aware of a type of worship that was so radically different to Christian concepts of Satanism that most people associate with more, what you call unseemly behavior of non-Christian pagan outfits. What I found most interesting with Peter Mark Adams' work is that what he explained to me was why these people engage, why they're willing to accept that there is a creative being who would actually promote in his worship

35:26 Some form of human sacrifice particularly the sacrifice of children and this explanation because it's almost beyond belief for most normal people to believe that there are people out there who think they're sacrificing a child, watching a child on an altar would be some sort of benefit. It is impossible for most of us to comprehend what kind of mindset when actually go down their path in his book game saturn He told us that the fundamental difference between Satan worship or the worship of Baal HaMan, which is the version of Satan that is represented in the Solibusca Tarot—that the difference between that God and the Christian god or even the Christian concept of Satan is that we in Christianity have what's called a judgment day.

36:25 And the Judgment Day belies the idea that we have a righteous God who ultimately calls us to account and brings the world back into equilibrium so that everything is set right. We refer to it as heaven or whatever people's interpretation of there is, but it's based on the idea of a righteous God who brings about judgment In Saturn worship, there is no such thing as a judgment day. There is only doomsday by a capricious God who may just on the whim decide to wipe out his creation and start again or whatever it is that he would do. The key to this understanding that this god is something that really doesn't have too much of an interest in the affairs of His creation

37:13 and is quite perfectly capable of turning on it as much as just leaving it to go alone. The difference being here, where the righteous God concept we are expected in some way to present our lives having lived according certain rules and proved ourselves worthy of a righteous god's way of doing things In the satin precious god model it is up to us to try and influence. The satanian god into benefiting us at a time when he may decide to eradicate everybody else this was something that was profound in. The game of satan incoming to their understanding that if you believe in a capricious supreme creative being such

38:09 Can you can also believe that you might through the use of magic through the use of ritual. Through the use of manipulation and so on you might be able to influence this is what i said earlier than it's all about having influences not about seeking justice for these people and then so doing, You can influence through ritual through symbolism you can influence this capricious god into benefiting you while everybody else gets wiped out and over time. That concept is late to an absolute abomination of rituals and

38:47 behaviors related to the pain of children women human sacrifice. Can you believe some acts and i always wonder why would somebody what do they think they can actually influence this god doing one of the things that comes out of game set Is that there is the idea that life is actually a wheel that you reincarnated in the biblical concept of life it is you live you die and then your resurrected into perfection. In some cases you resurrected into heaven whatever it is that should go to so you get their second life, any satin or bachman type worship u are constantly being reborn

39:32 into the world as you die and if you perform correct ritual you can influence which families you get born into. And as a result of this it becomes important to some people that they are born into better families and they think that they can manipulate this idea through ritual, do ensure that they are born into one of the elite family's or they remain within any family as time so much is on that was probably one of the most profound insights to understanding the psychology of what we're facing in terms of some of these cult elites basically want to launch this new golden age under their control.

40:20 Yeah explains a lot of the arranged marriages in the emphasis on carefully selected enter breeding and all that kind of stuff yeah i'm also curious to the degree that people, pedophilia, blood sacrifice stuff actually understand the context that started it. But you do a great job of explaining this context of why the elite do what they do why they started these rituals and this culture of sacrifice Why the symbolism? You tend to explain the mindset that drives it all but I don't get much of a sense of your thoughts on if This ritual and sacrifice actually works or if that's just their flawed

41:03 Desperate logic what do you think would you equate these magical mechanisms and traditions to something closer to an energetic science or a superstition i'm more in line of the superstition. For me, the idea that they believe it works is the most dangerous thing in the world it's their belief that works that i find apparent i don't see evidence that has ever worked for them Some people may claim it i've never met anybody on a personal level that has claimed they come back via these methods. Ritual and so on but the thing is is that irrespective of what they're trying to achieve on a cosmic levels spiritual level, what does for them as it provides and has provided delete and people send families immense power in the world next wife me

42:00 is very fine concentrating on the very low rate concepts of human sacrifice. These sorts of behaviors that you leave have but for me the thing that works best for them is the control money, the issuance of money once they have that they have true power and in that sense i've always argued not so much in satin death cult but I've looked at the works of Joseph P. Farrell with his series on the Babylon's banksters and the vipers of Venice, and so on like that—these great books that look at finance as a form of alchemy. And it is this interest-based financial system, this form of alchemy, there is true power behind elite control of whichever civilization they get their hands on. Now, that's not to say that we've had vast periods of time

42:54 where the key aspect of control has simply been the ritualistic aspect. I would say that Mesoamerica suffered terribly under variations of the Saturn cult concept of ritualistic manipulation right up to the time in the Conquistadors and even later, and you can see that there are certain other cultures in the South Pacific that have been burdened with these ideas. We see a resurgence of it in Africa at the moment you know, they're all derived from exactly the same mentality that we were talking about with the Game of Saturn with this worship of Baal Haman. It's the same concept of trying to manipulate a god into favoring you as such and they genuinely believe it

43:41 But that belief has two fatal flaws in my opinion. One is what it's actually based on, which is the mythologies their interpretation of mythology as literally psycho dramas of previous beings where Saturn becomes a being as opposed to a force or creative power The other flaw that they have of course is the financing of it if they lose control Over the financing and the ability to pay for this way of thinking because that's what it boils down to the ability to pay people to look the other way to pay people to provide victims, the ability to create blackmail material that gives them control over the financing off.

44:26 countries, industries and technologies. If they ever lose that then all of the supposed power that they derive from these rituals just vanishes. They've lost it and if we can understand that getting rid of central banking system and such would almost cleanse the world of Saturn type worship concepts almost immediately because Without the central banking model we wouldn't have a situation where were all scrapping over what i consider to be scarce resources and, we wouldn't have a situation with somebody always loses no matter how hard they work this is the nature of the beast that is the world financial system central banking model. And i believe that when that gets taken out of the equation

45:21 There just isn't anything there to drive a lot of this need to influence, to be born into better families. To be born higher because an equitable monetary system simply means those who work hard do well and those who don't get the rewards that would be more natural state of existence I think for the vast majority of humanity than the current one that we're all involved in which is in my opinion responsible for most of the wars and problems Social problems that we have today well that's a great breakdown and it seems like there is this paranoia they have over scarcity based on the knowledge of this previous cycle and its turned into a pathology and. They're incredibly bloodthirsty to keep facilitating this superstition as you say n,

46:15 I really don't know. I tend to put more emphasis on the elites belief systems being true just because they seem to be so effective at staying in control you see the layout of something like Washington DC and listen to someone talk about geomancy and then you see what Washington DC has turned into, and the American Empire is turned into Man maybe there is something to this but magic of course is a giant umbrella and not all magic is created equal just like not all languages or math is equally viable are complex or accurate but,

46:55 We have found out that you can focus your consciousness and have out-of-body experiences or astral travel or remote viewing. You can draw a pentagram on the ground and recite the right incantation, contact something based on the reports that I've heard from many, many people. Manifestation and intention have been tested in the lab with people like Lynn McTaggart or Dr Dean Radin and they actually have effects if you pray over one set of seeds and don't over another set there is a measurable effect in the abundance and the way they grow. And of course things like

47:37 MKUltra on the dark side revealed a strange link between trauma and paranormal sensitivity, we might call it. But how many people who have actually seen a UFO or had an abduction experience they actually have childhood traumas that most of us wouldn't have? And there seems to be a relationship there as well so I don't know if the elites brand of magic in ritual actually works I hope it doesn't but i unfortunately think in my because of their position but some forms of magic and some altered states of consciousness do seem to summon up something else so this idea that there's other forces in the world that can be communicated with and can be bargained with. I mean that seems pretty real so i don't know if it scales up to what they're doing, but there is something in that mix don't you think?

48:35 I do subscribe to the idea that there is something we haven't fully grasped in the carnal sense, to use a Christian term. In the physical sense i guess the point that i'm making is there any other to play whatever it is that they are indulging in seems to ultimately be geared towards giving them advantage. In the economic sense of being in a position to exploit other people's productivity for their own benefit as opposed to using its two benefits others, There is a very selfish element to the idea you put me in the position where i can exercise authority or i can have access to these resources something along those lines. And when the world's resources and particularly the resource that we call money order measure of work that week or money, is controlled by certain people for the benefit of few through the dark alchemy of usury

49:37 Going to apply some spiritual aspects that it seems to me they always seem to want to never seen what fight this for a better world they seem to want. Get in on it at the expense of other people they wanna be the guys who are in the circle as opposed to the great masses who are on the outside and thats where i take exception to weather magic, Is it much in the way that is distorted understanding as to what mythology was actually about. In terms of planetary catastrophes i look at their use of magic has a distorted understanding of what should be used for that's where the dangerous aspect is they desperately want to be in on it,

50:28 in terms of the privileges that these elites seem to have given themselves by the control over the measure we call money. Very well said i totally agree that these baked in mechanisms of consciousness, in this sandbox reality they seem to be tilted towards the light you know power of eight intention manifestation it seems like if you wake up to this reality you can actually change your own life for the better but. But we are told from the ground up that you are nothing but a random expression of a meaningless universe. Millions of people have lived and died, you're no different. Poor little you! You might as well just be a cog in the machine because that's the best you're ever gonna get. When you see yourself as a fractal of the Creator God or the universe itself

51:23 And this is having influence with the manifest. Yeah, I mean those philosophies they seem to be way more empowering and actually have real results in if you live your life by those principles things do blossom out of it for sure Certainly i would just argue that when it comes to a lot these elites inside It's always at the expense of other people yes and so on you know wouldn't it be nice to be reborn as a pharaoh Rather than the slaves is dragging blocks up to make a pyramid or something like that and again i can't help themselves. That's what they aspire to and it's funny thing because they using something that we can agree as very spiritual in nature has a higher position should have a higher position now consciousness, any at what they're trying to manipulate is themselves into positions of carnal gain of materialistic game

52:21 It's just one of those things that they always seem to be angling towards that i wanna be with the guys who have the rolls royce. Yes and going back to peter mark adams work when i talk to him he seemed to be pretty explicit that, the elite are celebrating in this tarot deck a real partnership with a Demiurge or demonic higher being so if they whether it's superstition or not, they think they have this partnership With this darkness. It's like well these things just feed each other its reciprocal So whether there's an entity on the other side of the line or not They definitely keep calling

53:02 in one up and it seems to keep them at the top. So I'm inclined to think that there is some demiurgic energy that is exploitive and quite negative, and we need to get them to dial-up a different number, I guess." There are two ways of looking at this especially as two guys who are part of what would be called the Christian West in terms of our cultural background. And that is that there is the idea the original Melchizedekian Judaic idea that when God created the earth and such, he declared that it is good. The Greek idea rebuffs that in that the material

53:47 Reality that we live in is actually flawed and we have to somehow raise ourselves above. The material reality of the world that were in and in trying to do that we have to align ourselves with the creator of reality, incense that you are no longer part of that which is corrupted in a judex or divide dear The physical creation is good, it becomes corrupted but a plan is put in place to redeem it back into a state of goodness. These are the two competing ideas. One goes down the road of Maniakis thinking of good versus evil, which is very much the Greek model that there is a good and there's an evil in their equal and they're battling it over. And basically you choose your sides and either side could win in the long term. The Christian biblical concept is that it's really a journey of coming into agreement with the God of creation that provides

54:50 a failsafe where everything is right at the end and everything comes into agreement with the creator, and we no longer have to suffer depredations and all various other problems. But the Greek concept as it is may have been given a period of time in which to exert itself over that span of history for people who follow sort of a Christian on an Austin Christian idea about an older Christian idea, that basically corresponds to the establishment of the statue of gold at Babylon or even further back into the Tower of Babel. And ultimately it has a termination date where a righteous God exerts his influence over creation and brings it back into alignment. The other way of looking at it is that which is the Demers sort of way is that ultimately

55:48 There's going to be another doomsday event and we need to align ourselves in such a way through ritual magic to make sure that we come out the other end better off than the rest of the planet. Cheers to that man it really has been a pleasure talking to you today i can't take up your whole day i know its america on session already around here but i want to at least, Close out by giving people a little bit about your other books you have this prequel the purple dawn of creation it's very interesting but you call it a speculative journey and quote an exploration into how earth might have looked to erase of desperate alien space travelers looking for a new home forty thousand years ago and you talk about the.

56:34 Ganymedians from the ancient moon of Jupiter? Ganymede? Why this vantage point, I'm curious. I co-authored a book called Cosmos and Collision with the guy called Ted Holden. And Ted Holden had originally looked at the whole Saturn theory idea, and came to the conclusion that humans could not be of Earth because in a primordial situation where you have this purple darkness before Saturn blew up and flared up and created the let there be light moment humans were uniquely ill designed for that kind of existence that permanent twilight sort of world. That was described we just simply compare to other animals we are such an incredible disadvantage compared to that so, did you have this idea that maybe human stood not initially rise from earth but came from another place they had to be a soda bright world

57:32 Because that's how major sense we tend to need lots of light and. And we can't use our eyes more than i rather senses in song like that so it was an interesting criticism of the second theory that i took up, end as part of that. We came with this idea that if saturn earth mars and venus were not in the solar system as recently as 30,000 years ago. Then what planets were in the solar system and what kind of worlds would they be? We basically came to that idea that Jupiter could have itself been a brown dwarf star that was in a binary relationship with the Sun and that Jupiter's moons Ganymede, Callisto and so on were themselves water worlds

58:21 They're ice now because of the position that Jupiter has taken in the solar system. But we argue that Jupiter was much closer to the Sun, and so these moons could have been water worlds which make them spectacularly conducive to life as we know it I personally have never argued that getting me to cradle of human civilization. Ted goes boots in the mall says we'll come from gaming that's not my status i just argue that can you meet may have once been a place where life could have existed like this we know it and if they had done,

59:03 I decided to do a book which hopefully explains the way the Saturn system and Earth was before the capture, the full capture by the Sun. If you saw it from the perspective of a human-like race looking at this approaching, spacefaring human like race looking at this approaching nebula that is the Saturn system and realizing that there's going to be hell to pay if that thing collides it's electrical field collides with the suns electrical field and so they embark upon this idea of a. Survival plan which included populating the satellites of this approaching nebula one of these, set lights been earth and so is just a speculative look that if some people have done and i had the ability to

59:55 send space probes down to have a look at this approaching nebula, what they would have discovered on Earth. And it just helps illustrate the purple dawn epoch, this nocturnal time period that Earth existed in before Saturn novated and became that Sun in the celestial north and the Golden Age ultimately doomsday into the last 6,000 years that we've now experienced. Provocative, provocative. Good thought exercise for sure! Yeah I'd say speculative just to get people thinking you know in terms of it really was a way of trying to illustrate what life on earth under the purple dawn would have been like if such people existed and came and had a look

1:00:39 Absolutely, something I like to think about quite often. And as for your other release Donald Trump and American Jehu, i don't care too much for the man but i'm always intrigued by archetypal matches for biblical history and seeing reality rhyme throughout the ages and the description for this book says Is there a prophetic connection between the unlikely rise of Donald Trump to the presidency of the United States and a bloody rebellion waged by an obscure ancient Israelite king that destroyed a corrupt political dynasty? Students of biblical prophecy have long been aware of the concept of the prophetical template, a means of interpreting recorded biblical events as the foreshadowing of future historical events.

1:01:26 With the Bible full of historical detail concerning the kings of ancient Israel, could there be lessons from key moments in Israelite history that we can apply to today's often confusing political climate? And I'm sure it's a lot to get into at this point. But what's the quick version for people who might want to dig into this work a bit more? It does relate to the themes and your overall work is just kind of a more focused specific application Right well the man is very polarizing for sure so i expected and i got a lot of incredulous pushback from people who particularly don't care for donald trump in any which way or whatever.

1:02:10 Hopefully people who read the book will understand that this is not an endorsement nor is it a critique of Donald Trump in the sense of him being some kind of sent for, sent by God person. To do a job based on his righteousness and so the book is just simply a look at probably one of the most. Floor kings of ancient israel and how he went about destroying a very corrupt. Dynasty of ancient israel dynasty

1:02:49 It's really a lesson from a Christian point of view that God does not necessarily, through biblical history use righteous people to achieve good ends. It's the idea that the will of God is that everybody behaves himself and lives according to his laws and observes his morals and so on like that but the plan of God sometimes utilizes very Surprising individuals or processes in which to achieve a particular outcome and what are really derived from is this idea that the house of ahab in the bible is very very similar. To do you have quality of the republican democrat, elites have been running america now for quite a few decades but particularly in the last fifty years

1:03:42 And particularly with the advent of the bush and clinton's i think for many people one of the tragedies of america is if you really look at things a bush or clinton up to the point when obama became president. a Bush, or really even during the Obama presidency. A Bush or Clinton had held sway over American politics since the election of Ronald Reagan because I believe when Reagan was shot three months into his turn that was just a message from HW Bush that you know i'm actually the guy in charge here and Reagan buckled down and he proceeded to

1:04:22 toe the line in that respect. Bush had the control, and then that was passed with Clinton. Eventually Bill Clinton took on the role of what you would call a template of King Ahab as why Hillary Clinton plays the role of Jezebel. A look at those character types—not archetypes but character types in the Bible Is instructive i feel in understanding how human nature expresses itself down three days in other words if you look closely through history of find these character types, repeating repeating repeating eventually all different cultures and america's turn to go through a hab situation.

1:05:07 Any have situations always end with this crazy guy who comes out from within and this is one of the things i point out trump was an insider trump was part of. All that but this crazy guy comes out of nowhere and proceeds to wreak havoc on what is a nice little corrupt system for those who are in only inside it was an exercise in creating a discussion around this sort of idea of prophetical templates. That's all the book is really designed to do, let's have a look at this and let's see if we can apply stuff if there's anything that can be learned from a Christian perspective whether or not there are lessons that are replaying out in various forms and so for example people who have accused me of being you know very very pro-Trump on certain levels I have always stated that

1:06:02 Donald Trump shares exactly the same personality traits as King Jehu of the ancient Israelite era, in that he is a cruel man. He is a worshipper of the golden calf which simply means a worshipper of wealth. He puts his trust and money. He's somebody who puts his trust in horses and chariots, military power and so on. You know, as a result of that if he follows the template he's falling short like King Jihu did at the time. King Jihu got rid of a corrupt system but it was really just a mechanism of fighting fire with fire

1:06:44 Wow, that is a great breakdown and you're totally right. You don't have to glorify the man to look at him as a character type and we could all be vessels and agents of change for things that we aren't aware of so I'm totally open to it." I've spoken to answered Christians who said why would God use such a man as Donald Trump with all his flaws? My answer to that is that Moses killed a man Elijah killed 50 men and then killed another Samson killed, I can't remember the figure probably about 25 to maybe 50 men because he lost a bet and he had to pay off his bets. So he decided murder all these people do it now these are all biblical characters that were used by God to rescue Israel out of its troubles to bring it back into a state of decency and so on you know I could go on there's a lot of I mean King David alright a man after my own heart says the god of the Bible King David

1:07:39 was a man who sent a love rival into battle in the hope he would be killed so he could take his wife. He was a man who slept with a 12-year old on his deathbed in the hope of reviving his spirits, you know? So if you look through the Bible, you've got flawed figures. Trump's an angel in comparison to some of these guys, you know? So the Bible is full of this kind of almost counterintuitive stuff For people who are interested in this, for people who want to look more deeply into a Christian understanding of the Old Testament and so on. I think these are important things for people to have a look at and really it's a book written for fellow Christians. I don't expect non-Christians to really take it seriously at all

1:08:23 Well, we can't all be Jesus and the Lord works in mysterious ways. And if the elite sometimes seem to try to manifest revelations or manifest certain prophecies that are in the Bible then it's relevant even non-Christians I say. Oh there is a big fear of that isn't there? There is! The evangelical thing let's bring on Armageddon because then Christ has to come back oh dear scary it is and i can really talk to you all day there's just so many different avenues and aspects to all this work

1:08:59 But, as we're wrapping it up... what is next for you? You seem to take very long breaks from this work. Not a lot of updates to the website for multiple years, especially during the COVID era- Yeah! So it seems like you're in and out, in kind of a curious way. Should we expect more work from you breaking down the symbolism and structures of the elite cabal or what? Yeah I resist. Writing for the sake of putting out another book that just simply regurgitates material i've already covered particularly on these topics so. I do actually write under other names in terms of fictional projects and things like that. But as far as this, this is a labor of love that I want to get right. I live in perpetual fear of the day that somebody says, well you know that theory that you've got about Saturn? Here's the reason why it's all wrong." And then I have to go oh my goodness, you're right! So I prefer to be careful

1:09:56 in terms of my approach to this i'm always happy to do interviews about it but you know when new information comes its way and. The new addition was triggered by the work of peter mark adams, game satin i felt it had to be updated with that information was too good to not do that yeah but as i'm going along because what's going on with covert i think possibly I'll see how things will manifest themselves, but the idea that you've got a pharmaceutical dictatorship which is a manifestation of Sodom and Gomorrah in the modern age might be an area that i could be producing something within the next six months or so. Yes! I would love to talk to you again if that does come to fruition. I'll let you know yeah yes please do this has been just really awesome

1:10:47 Danseful of important information. You draw a nice through line through a lot of my favorite subject areas, just a real pleasure again SaturnDeathCult.com is the website the book by the same name as A Real Masterpiece Keep doing what you do and take care man! Great thanks and hopefully not too much waffle but I thoroughly enjoyed it Well how about that? No awful worries at all. Troy McLaughlin bringing the heat after seven long years, covering so many threads that make me feel far better equipped today to have a high-level conversation than I was back then anyway. Mysteries of water, ether physics, symbolism cosmology the electric universe catastrophism magic and the game of Saturn really good stuff

1:11:41 Very thankful he was open to doing this again, and really glad that Peter Mark Adams' work made a lengthy appearance in the new edition. This is definitely kind of sweet spot for me Grand unified conspiracy spanning time and space If you are attracted to perspective like this And then don't filter the issues today through that lens Then I think your doing it wrong Abuse of power from people in positions of authority looking down at the rest of us is pretty much a perpetual villain no matter where you look in the human story. It's a bit like Cloud Atlas actually, A very dependable motif but for some reason we get too close to something and we just forget all that or we think it's going to be different this time Or we think Eugenics is dead

1:12:32 So many people have told me that over this last year. It's very frustrating because it's just an assumption based on what they'd like to be true, not really based on anything. It makes it convenient to trust people like Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci and Pfizer but that's all it is a thought convenience. But Troy's the man! Very interesting stuff here glad we could get outside of the box a little bit get away from Dominant, dominant narrative. I know we're dealing with some pretty important stuff these days but unless there's new information to report or someone has a solutions-based angle on it all like Pam Popper...I don't see the point in going over the same old story and outrage again and again You turn on pretty much anything these days and within five minutes you're gonna hear vaccines and viruses

1:13:30 I think i'd rather be talking to people like Troy right now and I hope you agree. If you liked the first hour, in the second hour plus show we talked about Saturn's madhouse additional Saturnian symbolism The Silver Age, The Rise of the Blue Bloods, The God's Industry Sodom and Gomorrah and the drug trade that's pretty interesting And the serial killer motif MKUltra and Dark Agendas there Troy certainly knows his stuff. He is quite dedicated, and I hope you come over to the plus party if you haven't already! But...I've said it all before and that is the show!

1:14:09 I'm feeling a lot better, but still not 100% and i've got so much life stuff to catch up on that the joint session might be a couple of days late. That means you can still leave me a voicemail if you have something to say at thehiresidechats.com slash voicemail or check the show notes for that link! I appreciate all the well wishes and Venmo and Paypal donations for The Little Carlwood Diaper Fund I've got the best people in podcasting listening to this show. We're gonna do a San Diego meetup soon, but obviously i had to put those plans on hold a bit too... But soon! I didn't forget about that. Either way, hope you enjoyed this episode and I will see you next time Check out SaturnDeathCult.com for more Troy Let him know ya like what he does and thanks for listening

1:15:03 I've done my part. Your move Saturnian secret keepers, demiurge deal makers and criminals of the capstone cabal! Your fucking move. Oh no you see The world isn't random it's attached to puppet strings Control over thing The 9-to-5 has tried to steal ya Now don't that job seem silly? Hello, can you hear me Or should I play bad recordings From some spying agency Wish we were younger and free

1:15:56 I'll be thankful when it's all exposed The vast conspiracy There is such a difference Between me and the Denver Shire Hollow from the highest high Calling out a thousand cries They'll tune you the stars of everything that's been done and they'll call my own deception from the web that's been spawned. Hollow from the higher side, the earth is hollow I will tell you about something no one else will have you heard

1:16:59 Have you heard about the real since the wrong? But no, they're cartoons It's so typical of me to talk about this stuff I'm sorry That's good and well Did you ever hear the argument that nothing really happens it's no secret

1:17:35 And that the best is plumb It's doubling your time Hollow from the higher side They're calling out a thousand cards They'll tell you something The elite have done and they'll call out deception For the web that's been spun Hollow from the higher

1:18:11 I'm challenging your path. And I'll tell you something, that the battle's begun but we can't fight it with violence. The mind's where it's won at the war. At the war! Hello from a higher side they're calling out our name

1:19:07 I'll tell you what the elite have done, and they'll call out the deception of the web that's been spun. From the higher side challenging your paradigm But we can't fight it with violence The mind's where it's won, that's the proof