THC 94: Dan Fogler | Don Peyote, Psychedelics, & Star Wars

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01:29 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times! But well 1530 and I deal with a different kind of fire... For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Alright, Ironside Chatters. Drinking a little drink, smoking And then half telling me how wrong Michael Rupert is. Wow, the overwhelming majority thought he was super negative and had all sorts of problems with the Rupert perspective but I like the guy and think overall that he's just in a place of acceptance rather than trying to change the world's habits...and I can't blame him

02:31 He's been fighting that fight a long time. Now that I've regained my freedom, I should be able to put out more THCs and would have had one before this which would have been cool! I'd been talking with a guy who set up a few Guinness book records for traveling and he's been to every country on the planet but didn't like the show was labeled as a conspiracy show and wanted me to sign some document saying I wouldn't edit it if he didn't like how it turned out he would retain the rights to pull it and I just couldn't lose control of the THC ship like that. So fuck that guy, go watch Discovery Channel and you'll get just about the same thing. I've interviewed so many people almost a hundred in this show at this point no one's ever asked me something like that. I've had Judge Jim Gray, the vice presidential nominee for the Libertarian ticket in the middle of the campaign and he didn't even ask about editing or controlling content

03:24 But anyway, as for the money bomb... People this is the biggest one so far. Thank you for all the donations we're at $762 which means I'm giving away at least 380 bucks to someone that's a big amount of money! Biggest one yet again So thanks and you can still donate up until Saturday the 22nd for this round i'm gonna have to pick a winner on Sunday And if you donate after that well it's just going to start the next round so no worries And I just want to get into this episode. You know, I don't like long intros but this is a little bit of a different kind of THC Our main man Freeman Fly was in a new movie called Don Peyote the brainchild of Dan Fogler who's an actor? I'm sure a lot of you have seen him movies before and This movie follows the main characters path down the conspiracy rabbit hole and then he gets inspired To film interviews with conspiracy researchers and authors which is exactly what I do

04:17 So they were cool enough to send me a screener for the movie. I liked it, but the one I saw had a lot of effects and narration missing so i think the final movie is going to be even better Dan came on the show to talk about the movie and his path of awakening and psychedelics and fucking Star Wars and Christopher Walken And its good fun Maybe after such a heavy episode with Michael Rupert we needed something a bit lighter But I've got a lot of great shows coming out in March, I'm booked solid. We're going to some weird places and thanks to everybody for sticking with me on this trip! I'm not gonna waste any more time let's do the damn thing with Dan Fogler Alright people you and i both know that the Hollywood film medium is a powerful tool of influence generally used by the elite to distract and pacify the masses in between the mind-numbing nine-to-five shifts at the office because who has the time or energy for a revolution when there's new Robocop movie out?

05:16 But the 35mm knife cuts both ways and some people are tenacious enough to use that powerful medium to inform and inspire people in these troubled times. Today's guest is just such a guy! Dan Fogler, a genuine actor you've seen in classics such as Good Luck Chuck, Balls of Fury & Fanboys has used some of his Hollywood capital to write, direct, produce and star in a new movie that draws attention to the conspiracy world and path of awakening called Don Peyote I know im psyched to have him here, the pimp of pimps Fogler, how the hell are you man? Man that was an amazing intro. Holy shit! You should do like commercials or something man I'd love to

05:55 Did you write that out? That was fantastic. Yeah, of course! If that was off the cuff then I should be somewhere else... Thanks for doing it man. Our mutual friend Freeman Fly sort of set us up together and he's shared an almost finished version of the movie with me which is also in and i thought it was pretty cool a little bit Fear And Loathing a little bit Alice In Wonderland but Why don't you give the people, the cliff notes to this story? What's this thing about man?" Oh it was delightful. Yeah I liked the fear and loathing reference. All of the above. The movie is essentially the modern profit journey okay so he had this guy named Warren

06:46 who is about to get married right before 2012. So he's a lot of stress. And he's worried, you know a lot of people around him were telling him that something big was going to happen. Maybe it was the end but definitely change was coming and he just gets wrapped up in that and he needs to get the answer like what the hell is coming? I'm about to get married, I'm about to have family... What am I getting myself into? Should I move to Costa Rica?" He's in the heart of New York. And so he is this kind of everyman, and has no purpose until he bumps into this near guy with his sign walking down the street who is a street prophet.

07:43 And he gets so obsessed with what that is, you know. What's coming? What the hell is Planet X? You know where he starts collecting all of this information... ...just collecting interviews like Freeman and Daniel Pinchbeck and all these people in the movie. It's a very simple journey. He goes to all these wise men... ...to ask them for their advice. You know what should we do? Basically the seven steps of preparation, you know first he's just like I don't know how many steps it is says seven but He starts with the anxiety like oh my god. It's too much on the guy that rabbit hole so far could be great. Yeah, I'm scared

08:25 Scared out of my mind and then he starts to say, okay. I'm gonna take control So he starts talking a different kind of people like you know People who would help him with self-defense and people who would help him To protect his family and then he's like, you know now it's many goes the phase of notes about you know compassion and love and then he starts going on that road and You know and somewhere in the middle he goes nuts, you know He is he gets so overwhelmed with fear and what to do, and the unknown that he goes off to defend. He becomes this street prophet trying

09:07 preach peace and love to the masses, and try to turn the tide toward a change. He's like the hundredth monkey you know he's trying to herald that shift in consciousness so that's the movie in a nutshell. And it has got amazing cast You know making the movie was it was pretty life-changing Yeah, I mean you've done a lot of acting but I mean you were pretty involved in this. I mean you wrote direct produced and started now I mean this isn't just kung fu panda 2 yeah, you put a lot of effort into this Yeah no yeah, no, yeah, this is my baby Because

09:57 I made another film called Hysterical Psycho and that was just kind of like, I was just dabbling. It would be fun to direct something with my friends and then I really got bitten by the bug... ...and this was back in 2010 when I was turning 33 and I was having my existential year you know? And I started Questioning, really it started with... I've always been a fan of conspiracy. Umm..I love the Oliver Stone movies and i really kind of got into it through JFK like whoa! Like whoa that's you know that was my conspiracy 101 was that movie and it really brought a whole

10:49 layered perspective to how our government works and oh my god, you know like You know that's the president. You know that they got murdered and rise this sheet and he and this is you know Why is there such a huge? Conspiracy around it that they have to bury it for fucking 50 years Like well, you know And then then we had then I hadn't my own special one My own special conspiracy would happen in my in my fucking backyard which was not 911 and that was just crazy. Yeah, you were in New York at the time right? I was about 15 blocks away from it at the time. Good God! Yeah, 15-20 blocks away so...I saw it you know? I could look out my window and see what the hell is going on It was surreal and I just remember sitting on the bed looking at the TV just like everybody else who's kind of shocked

11:51 Absolutely. I felt it, you know? Right. I felt the shock wave up. It woke me up And I turn on the TV and I'm watching a broadcast like everybody else. And then I saw like certain discrepancies because I was fucking watching with my own eyes, you know? And I was like wait no what do you mean it fell down already? Like it's right there Oh really yeah But at any angle whether you were watching that actually happened or you're watching on TV Or both at the same time In my heart, in my gut I was like wait that doesn't fucking look right. It just doesn't look right. And instantly in my brain I went to Sesame Street

12:37 When I was a little kid, watching them teach me up and down. And there was the construction guy and he would do a controlled demolition on some building and you hit a button and then reverse it and play it forward and reverse it go up down, up down! That was ingrained in my head. And then I saw what's going on with the towers and I said, What the fuck is this? Up down right now they're expecting us to buy this and then you know, I had that feeling right away. Yeah

13:14 And I think a lot of people did. Then, it wasn't... and then I would turn to people and say you know everyone questioned this like think about the physics of that just imagine is that possible? That happened just by having planes hit the building. You know when everyone seemed to have bought the math of it And then it wasn't until I saw Loose Chains where I was like, holy shit this fucking kid has dissected the whole situation here. You know and there's a lot of people out there and then over time it's become mainstream you know this questioning

13:56 And then I started, because of this questioning... You know there's like you know I was looking on Netflix and there's a couple different versions of Flute's change now. True So there were just so many different people out there enough people and I started to wonder like wow am i gonna digest that? Am I just going to let that go? Yeah it's tough Even if there's a 50% chance that that's the possibility, they just use this as cannon fodder. They just used citizens like they were garbage.

14:35 If they just did that, is that the kind of place I want to live in? And it's a patriotic duty to try and get to the bottom of that. Of course man! Isn't it funny that 9-11 truther has become like a negative term? Like wanting the truth as something to be scoffed at? Oh yeah! Everyone wants to keep their status quo and they've done very well converting us into sheep where Someone gives you all the information, many different angles. They tell you look there's some discrepancies here and they open up the gate and they said let's come on run to the other side with me and they just stay in their because I guess

15:16 they get their, you know grass every day. They get their injection of whatever it is that they need to stay healthy and so thats where we're at and I'm there ya know? And im not picking up my family running because uh... because uh... im lazy no hahahah because um... because its uh... I kinda learned through this You can you really have a lot of control as an individual Do just the trust through the best or the way you just by the way, you think Yeah And if you think that this shit house is going to go up in flames and then the shit house will go off the planes But if you think that no everything will be cool. If you can surf this Chaos it's kind of fun Then then you can get by you know

16:10 Well man, obviously with a name like Don Peyote which is a pretty good name. I love that name. Yeah. Psychedelics play a huge role in Warren's awakening in the movie but did you have any similar experiences that opened your eyes in a similar way? Oh absolutely! The pineal gland...I hope it's not vestigial organ. It's powerful gland Yeah, but people talk about how it's not gone obviously. We still have it for some reason. It should be used but I think there has been research that it has gotten smaller over the centuries because of lack of use

16:49 So that sounds like devolving to me, I guess. I don't know what that is." Some people in the conspiracy world also suggest that the fluoridation of water helps decalcify the amino acid. Who knows how much truther there is to it? But that's definitely a popular thought No, it's definitely a popular thought. And I think it's a combination you know? It's like the Joker in the first Batman movie where he is combining all of these different elements to poison everybody. That's what going on and there's a mixture of different elements

17:31 to try to help control population, I think. It helps keep us less sexually active and may even sterilize some people and it definitely, I think starts to cloud us, subdue us. And it's worked in TV and movies are a huge part of that. It's a very powerful spell that they have cast on us. And it's an interesting universe that they have laid out for us, you know? It's a fun video game that we're playing here but there is a lot more to it than just stacking up bills and fucking as much as you can and eating as much as you can...it's very fun! But I think a lot of our profits throughout the years

18:22 I have talked about looking within yourself and finding the connection to everything. and thus, you know connecting to the collective and gaining so much information where you feel like your one with everything. And I mean that is really... That's the unexplored territory. Fuck the ocean! You know? No that's not right. They're doing that too. They're fucking the ocean, too! Don't worry about it.

19:09 I think that stuff like THC and mushrooms and stuff with psilocybin keep the pineal gland nice and greased up, working. And it's imperative! It is a part of our evolution. There were some hairy-ass fucking apes several eons ago that picked up some interesting mushrooms and that started our path to evolution. Yeah, man. I think that there's something to that because direct experience influences the shape of your brain you know? You look at Einstein's brain and it looks like a whole other fucking thing! It looks different. He has got a different shape so yes...I totally believe that

20:03 These that are pineal gland is here for to be used for a reason and I'm pretty sure the majority of the population doesn't know how to fucking use it. They have like they have like a DeLorean, you know with a flux capacitor in their head And they don't know how to fucking start. Yeah, they're scared Yeah, yeah. And I'm scared of it man because i've had a taste of what it looks like and its pretty frightening and you know... I'm curious about DMT. Oh, yeah! I've done shrooms and I've done...I smoke pot and I think that pot is kind of the lubrication for getting your shockers aligned. Yeah! Definitely. Yeah man, I am an advocate of such things

20:58 Because it's you know the dream molecule. I mean come on. I'm an artist and trying to just to To try to experiment with the dream molecules of what the fuck coolest thing in the face here And it's great because DMT is like, oh my God! But it sounds... I think when you're born there's a tremendous amount of energy in your brain. When you die there's tremendous amount and that seeps out when you go to sleep at night. Yeah. Everyone knows that there's an

21:37 huge pharmacy of chemicals already in their brain that if they just knew how to activate it you wouldn't need any drugs. Yeah, so a lot of those Zen spiritualist masters. They there's a Famous story of one guy who was going he was studying with some Buddhist monks and he was doing huge amounts of LSD and He was giving it to this monk And this monk is taking like three four times the dose that most people could take and he's like what? He's like this is how I live man. I live in this It's a lot harder to do all the spiritual work though, it's a lot easier to just dive in with some mushrooms

22:16 Well, check it out the most blissful like crazy high I ever had and I think you know everyone's trying to fly I don't know what I don't know what heroin is like Not yet. But uh No, no I'm more of the natural kind of I'm on the side of a natural shelf there Yeah but I don't like all the pills and the chemicals. Although Ecstasy was pretty amazing and I met my wife on Ecstasy. Dude, me too! Really? The girl that i'm with right now we had both wanted to try it and my buddy whose name happens to be Romeo gave us Ecstasy

23:00 A friend of mine who's very spiritual is like, look you got the magic love pill from Romeo. This is meant to be! Crazy man... And yeah I advise it to anybody in a relationship Yeah that's amazing man. Whoa. Synchronistic That's another synchronicity because and then over the course of this movie I've learned to kind of like Be baffled and amazed by synchronicity. And now I'm at the point where I'm just like, yeah! Synchronicity as usual. It's me... it's like a... it just you know Speed Levitich is in the movie and he kind of coined the phrase He's from Waking Life um and uh he he coined the phrase uh You know, synchronicity as usual Yeah, so I love that phrase because

23:50 It's just, it's fucking magical. And when I see it happen... If you're on the right path they happen more and more and so many happened during the course of the movie uh..and um...and then when you see it start to happen to your loved ones because they are basically on your paths and there just so surprised by that. I love that like... When these, the puzzle pieces fall in place So I mean thats, thats the Oh, you know what? You know what? Hold on. I want to finish this thought I had because maybe you can help me find this guy Yeah, I sidetracked you go ahead the most blissful experience that I had during the course of this thing Had very little to do with drugs. Um, I Was in the middle of the process when making a movie and I was getting into meditation So I looked up this guy on the internet and I found this guy called The Hypnotrist Okay

24:47 Since I found the fucking guy, I haven't been able to find him again. And maybe this will help this, you know, this announcement here." Interesting! I'm trying to find a picture and I met him...I actually met in person at a party at Daniel Pinchbeck's on Daniel Pinchback roof. I'm sitting there looking like holy shit is a guy and he He's very distinct because he wears these, well at the time he wore these like crazy aviator goggles that were like tinted red. Anyway... Wow! Alright people if you can find the hypnotrist you gotta let me know and I'll let Dan know we got to find this guy You gotta find him man Where are you by the way? Where are you at? I'm in San Diego

25:34 Okay, cool. So anyway so I'm looking on the internet and find a hypnotist. I start going through this basically this breathing exercise or meditation breathing in the nose cold and you visualize your third eye as like, you close your eyes and you visualize your third eye as kind of like a spinning blue diamond. So I'm doing this breathing in cold and I'm spinning my blue diamond third eye one way and then I'm breathing out warm all out of my nose. And uh, and if you spin the blue diamond the opposite way right? Uh when it's with the warm air okay so it's cold air one way warm air the other way going out. And are we with me so far yeah I gotcha

26:26 Okay, cool. So I'm doing this. I don't know how long I'm doing this maybe like five ten minutes and I start to feel my Kundalini energy just rising up my body it was so overwhelming and I maybe had some pot you know earlier that day hours before This is at night I like woke up in the middle of my it's like. It was like four AM or something and i just wanted to try this thing and,

27:04 I'm in the dark and i'm doing this, and I feel the energy rising of my body totally... it feels like encompassing every single shell of my body. This overwhelming wave of powerful fucking blissful energy what I think that it must feel like to Go to heaven. I don't know like like, you know when you when you go into the light and you go into the white Light or whatever that people talk about this overwhelming feeling of just love and it felt like It's not like a million gallons of heroin. I don't know what the fuck right but it's just like and it was so overwhelming I couldn't do it for more than 30 seconds Okay

27:55 Okay, I had to open my eyes. I had to like shake it off and slowly gradually went down And the guy says The hypnotist says, now if you had an experience you're going to be chasing that for the rest of your life. Because now you're gonna be looking for it I didn't know what the fuck to expect and this thing happened like my shock was aligned And that was...and I was fucking connected man The feeling was just so overwhelming It was better than any fucking drug i've ever had in my life And yeah, so I think it's worth trying to find this guy again. Like I said, I look on the internet and can't find him but I did meet him at this party at Pinch Pecs on the roof and I was like dude we have to exchange information and it just never happened for some reason and that was another weird fucking

28:51 Synchronicity, you know and all these things are just tied together. What do you think about that man? You ever had an experience like that where you had this like overwhelming blissful like love energy coursing through your body Well then I've done I've had some experiences like that on salvia And I have done DMT which was also pretty amazing but i'm kind of I'm spiritually retarded. For me, unless it's induced by some psychedelic I haven't been able to get there. Maybe I just haven't put enough focus and attention on it but it's pretty inspiring and interesting to hear you say that you did it without... It seems like that was a... Did you have much meditation experience before that or is that one of your first major attempts?

29:45 I honestly think that I was kind of like a natural at it when i was a kid. Like, I think when I was a little kid I used to just naturally kinda sometimes go into a hypnotic state or meditative state and kinda float around the astral for a little bit you know? But I didn't have a lot of control over it and I didn't know what the fuck I was doing and then I lost control over it over years now No one educates us on that stuff Yeah, and then as I've gotten back into it. I have crazy fucking dreams man And all this is paralleled in the movie Obviously my character Warren in the movie goes nuts obviously you know I turned up the dial on

30:30 on his psychoses and neuroses and passion about this particular subject. But a lot of it is reflected in my life, obviously I didn't go off to the event, but I was able to maintain control after going through certain experiences like the bliss wave and opening up shoppers and trying fun psychedelics like acid or iron Iowaska or something. This was a huge journey that... It was a three-year journey making this movie, and a lot of stuff happened over the course of it. And I think other people who were involved in the movie also kind of went on this journey with me are in totally different peaceful crazy place now

31:26 I made a lot of great friends on this, like Freeman who was an amazing trip just to be around himself. Yeah he's a blast! I didn't want to cut you off but yeah i was really surprised to see Anne Hathaway in that movie Can i call me off guard what should do because you know she's a friend of mine and she did it as a favor. And but if that's what is meant to be the movie couple times. You have people like and you have josh malin at,

32:11 and you have Topher Grace, and Jay Baruchel. Yeah he's cool! And every time... yeah every time like he is cool and every time you see one of these kind of mainstream people that's my little way of like Breaking the fourth wall or, you know, that's kind of like Hollywood tapping on your shoulder and saying yes this is also seeping into your reality. And when Anne shows up in his dream

32:52 It's supposed to be kind of shocking. You're like, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa! What the fuck is going on here? Yeah. And I think it... yeah you know so i think uh and then another great moment in the movie is when uh this was one of my favorite moments when when Topher makes his appearance there's a lot of different cameos uh Topher Grace makes his appearance and he's it's during this like very very trippy part of the movie where my character has noticed the audience and I'm I just escaped from in the same asylum And I'm like, I noticed the audience and I start talking directly to the audience saying like what? What are you looking at it's just my life You're laughing at and then during that moment which is already breaking the fourth wall. We break the fifth wall and have Topher come

33:39 come in as my agent watching this moment in the movie, just being like... I'm Dan Folsom's agent. Just being like, wow! Yeah, I don't know about that choice. Well shit me. You know he wrote it. He wrote the movie too so you know what? It was good man. That was a trippy part. Yeah yeah I'm trying to break through like, see how many walls we can break through in this one moment Well, when you see this movie and you see some of those bigger names in it what shocks me about it is that they would put themselves In a movie with this type of content You know the Terrence McKenna had a quote saying like the more you wake up. The more isolated you become and I kind of find that It's weird like did you find that? This was uh, like a risky choice for your career or did any of these people have reservations about being in this type of movie

34:27 Well, obviously they didn't. I mean we'll see what kind of... you know what happens when it comes out and the kind of associations are made or maybe people will see that well these are mainstream people who were actually developing this world. Yeah it'll give them the okay to go on their own journey Exactly so and that was part of the whole thing with you know, give them the sugar with the medicine because I'm trying to open people's minds at least just questioning some of the reality that is presented before us. And I knew that the best way to get it out there was to get these people in a movie and as they say everyone cares about the posters, the faces on the poster

35:24 So I knew that I had to kind of play in that. in that world, uh, in order to get the message out. And they're all amazing people and you know... They wouldn't have gotten involved if all of them were friends of mine. Just little capsules from situations like I've had, you know times on Fanboys when I met Jay Baer's show where we would just go down the conspiracy rabbit hole. Oh that's awesome! You know jus-just talking and he's already on that tip and can improvise about that for days so you know, he's uh... he was great in the movie. Um and he was on the front lines at Occupy Wall Street and that was on CNN man like she seems like out there doing it um Josh Duhamel I did scenic with him There were some nights we were talking about You know we're out in Death Valley and there was a lot of

36:22 you know, underground military stuff around there. Yeah, underground bases. Underground bases and bases in the mountains and so there was a lot of talk about that I was like oh this is- this guy's awesome! So then he was in the movie so everybody has got... And I think it is universal thing like people are just smart and anyone that could invent the Rubik's Cube and know how to fucking solve it And and wondering you know about the puzzle of You know of the reality that's presented to us and The layers too many layers that they go beyond what we see like I think about like Al Gore was on Letterman, and this is fucking letter man. Man. No everyone watching it yeah and al gore

37:14 Al Gore is asked, so how much do you know about what's going on behind the scenes? You were vice president. How much did you know about what was going on and he said about 40%. Forty percent! And then there was kind of like silence in the audience and Letterman is kinda shocked for a second. He goes whoa okay What about the president? How much does he know what's going on behind closed doors?" And Al Gore said, oh about 50%. Wow. So how is it that the fucking president knows 50%?! Yeah just to say that on national TV is pretty bold! It's pretty damn bold you know and but so I...it's out there I mean it's out in our

38:05 That's why I think it was okay for these particular people to be part of the movie because they take risks anyway with their choices, because they're good actors and artists. And yeah, man this was like... This is a movie that you talk about afterwards. There's so many movies we've seen where it just numbs us for two hours and then we leave and then we just talk about what kind of fucking young guys want to get dessert? You know like that guy? Yeah he was good again okay Who wants a taxi? You know, it's like... I wanted to make something that made people think because I was in the perpetual state of thinking about this shit.

38:53 Let me switch gears on you a little bit here. You know, once you wake up to the control grid and the truth about the banking system at least for me it was really hard to work a typical job It was hard to be a cog in the consumerism machine And the dream became finding a way to make a living of some type of creative endeavor and now I'm lucky enough that's happened with this show I literally quit the corporate world less than 30 days ago so it's interesting timing to be talking to another artist of sorts who escaped that trap too Tell me about the early days of your career. What was the last bullshit job you worked? Were you ever worried about what you were going to do with your life, how'd you get started in all this? Yeah when I got out of college...

39:36 They don't prepare you, they teach you how to do Shakespeare and they teach you a million fucking sonnets. But they make your run around in tights but they do not teach you how to be a good business person and sell yourself because you're selling yourself as it's your commodity so I got out of college and was living at home with my folks. My eye was twitching because i was getting no sleep, and I was going on auditions every day

40:16 I was non-union, just to get a job and do it. Then I started making stuff with my friends like we gotta make stuff to showcase ourselves So we would do Black Box Theater and Mammoth. And then I was like, man this is slow going. I had backstage magazine under my arm. I was going to non-paying auditions doing as much indie film as they possibly could.

40:53 When I got out of college, I did so much student film in college. I was like, I can't do another student film. After I got out of school it's just all anything independent that would pay you know? So yeah, I made certain parameters for myself I started doing stand-up comedy. Like, I was...I think 99% of the time it was incredibly fun and then like 1% of the time it fucking sucked because you're against everybody but you don't have any allies with your peers and then I got into hip hop because that's more like playing with people

41:35 you know, the UCB and stuff like that. And then around when I started doing stand-up that's when i got my manager as my first representation and really that's how you get your foot in the door because they start to get me into bigger gigs where you can be seen... Like one of the first things I did was uh.. I don't think I got paid. I don't even know if I was union. I think maybe became a union the typo negative video. So I did that and then so that started going around, and then Yeah, I did a lot of theater. So that was like an eight year long process where I was just fucking running around beating streets trying to get known and it wasn't until I was 26 or 27 that

42:33 The spelling bee show we started developing that so basically started a bunch of friends got together and started improvising A fun show and based on the spelling bee was all improvised. We created characters and And we started performing in a show and the Black Box Theater just like, you know. And now y'all know what the fuck's gonna catch on this thing caught on We did it like several times people kept coming back to love the characters finally You know when do you watch your scene? got involved and um and then you know Bill Finn Revered into a musical and you know James Lapine directed it I mean that's like for me

43:19 Being a fan of theater and musical theater, having done musical theater in high school and into the woods. You have James Lopine directing you it's like whoa okay I just had this is like this is a dream come true and that whole process was a dream come true We just had legs, you know. I went off Broadway and went to Broadway. I won a Tony Award and then that was it! Basically a lot of doors got opened up Someone said hey you want to be in a movie with Chris Walken? I was like yeah! You wear short shorts and a shimmery jacket. You still want to do it? Yeah! So, I was just... I was the kid in the candy store.

44:11 He's brilliant, man. I was a huge fan of him and anytime I was upset with him... ...I would just try to get him to say shit because I loved hearing him talk and it took every ounce of my being not to do with my impression for him. And he said... I asked him, what's it like that everybody and your grandma has an impression of you? Like wherever you go everyone is going to walk in a depression. It's like I have the depression that I want to do right now but I won't do it! And he was just like, it's fine

44:53 You know, but he's like, but never do it before a take. And I'd be like yeah he was like it annoys me. He said Jay Moore He would do it all the time. He'd do it before a take! I wanted to kill him, you know? I was like yes... Tell me more and then he had all these amazing stories and You know just my god, right? Now that I'm making movies, you know, I want to put in everything and you know, he's brilliant Yeah man. He is a hero So

45:39 Well, if someone out there you know if someone listening is it that's their dream to be an actor director But they're stuck at some shitty job working at Red Lobster or Foot Locker wherever the fuck I mean What's your advice to really get them going like to not give up on that? You know that creative passion because if you give up on it And you just do that bullshit job for like four or five decades. I mean what are you living for really you know Yeah like from the acting, actor point of view. Whenever my friends are like man I'm like it's tough on my...I gotta hang up my hat! I always say yeah man fucking do it go dude live life get less experience and to your fucking thing because that only adds two years ability if and when you want to come back

46:35 And I always bring up George C. Scott, who was fucking in his 50s, wasn't an actor went to the army digging ditches for corpses and sitting there just fucking killing himself and said fuck this I'm never gonna be an actor and then became one of the greatest actors ever you know? You just never give up because It's life. Yeah, it's just life. Life is... That's just how it is and every single one of your favorite people were there at some point in their life They were sitting behind some fucking you know desk that they didn't want to be at or some fucking grill that they don't wanna fucking be at and talking to the man and that only fueled them

47:20 to become who they are. So just use it, it's the way it is and I've had a lot of ups and downs on my journey here and I wouldn't take back any of it It makes you, uh... You know it gives you character. Yeah and um yeah it's definitely tough I mean a lot of people feel trapped or under debt living paycheck to paycheck they just got to keep treading water and take the time to go into some creative endeavor almost seems just too daunting too overwhelming things are pretty fucked Yeah, well so then I mean that's a story worth telling and write about yourself. Make the next clerks. And check it out there is no excuse you got a fucking camera in your phone. Touche yeah they didn't have that back in the day

48:14 No, man. There's cameras everywhere and they're cheap and you could make the next great documentary in your spare time while you're working if you have the passion but it's like making a film is like birthing a baby It's very exhausting and you have to be able to have that endurance to go the distance, because each one is a trip. Yeah, simply because it's creative second and business first a lot of the time when you're trying to make these things. I don't want to get all entertainment tonight on you but how do...I like fanboys and you seem like a Star Wars fan. How do you feel about these new Star Wars movies? The way things are in this country, I hope we can see the new Star Wars trilogy before everything collapses

49:14 Oh yeah, I think we'll be okay. We'll be okay. I think we're gonna reach seven. Number seven! Well that's good! Fuck man, I wanna BE in it. I wanna be in that. I think JJ Abrams is awesome. I'd settle just to be like the voice of a droid or something. Yeah, I don't give a shit! I'd like to be Dan Solo... I'd like to be you know Hans Cousins or some shit but... If you had that Samuel L Jackson clout you could choose your own lightsaber color? You could do all that shit?! Yeah man dude if i... I'd throw some weight around

50:00 I'd just get crazy with it. Get a couple blasters... Yeah, get a couple blasters. I was talking to my buddy Kyle who appears on the show sometimes about why we like the originals and why we think they're so much more interesting than the prequels and he made a great point about the Jedi's you know in the original trilogy The Jedi's are like mystics and Zen gurus that harnesses special energy force They're almost like shamanistic but in the prequels They're basically just soldiers in a war and policemen and they lost that esoteric edge that made him So interesting. I thought that really nailed it I see where you're getting at. In the prequels, they're like soldiers, they're pawns being manipulated but then in the introduction to them with the middle three that we love so much... The war is over and there just

50:57 They're monks. So, and it is more of a mystical also because they didn't have the special effects you know? It's like I don't think we can get Obi-Wan to do that flip. The wires are giving! Let's just give him some cool lines and call it a day Yeah, exactly. Let him just say some Buddhist shit and we'll bring in Yoda over here and we'll just have Luke running around getting all sweaty and shit and all swampy And maybe we will have him meditating We won't explain it! I don't want to explain the force of meditation, right? Why do you gotta explain it?! So yeah...exactly

51:49 In the prequel they just explain everything away. Oh, it's the midi-chlorians! I have an overwhelming amount of midi-chlorians! Well it's actually kind of funny because there is a constant battle between science versus mysticism And that first trilogy had something special in it. And then they basically came and yeah, like you said they over explained everything They let science take over and they really took out the deeper messages that I thought were in those movies Yeah, there was more of a... We had more of a mysticism and fantasy in general. You know? Point-of-view in general back in the 80s. And then as the prequels came in there, the technology was changing and you felt like you could hug Chewbacca. Like if you can go and take shots at Chewbacca but not like that you have

52:49 All the CGI in the prequels, you know there's no tangibility. You feel very standoffish. Stand-offish? You feel very separated from it and then they needed Harrison Ford! If they had Harrison Ford maybe everything would have been okay. Everything would have been salvaged But you know, it's the chemistry man. It's the real life chemistry that makes those movies worth watching and I love Ewan McGregor. Yeah he was great! And I love many of the aspects of it.

53:41 I liked the third one. But, I liked him turning into Dark so that was cool and actually Topher Grace made a version where he took a little bit of the first one A lot of his second one and a lot of the third one And made one movie out it and its fucking brilliant Really? Yeah yeah its uh... That's a movie worth watching It's like action from head to toe It totally takes out the little kid and really makes it more about, basically it's a mirror of Luke's journey except its in the opposite direction. And its fucking great! That's cool So yeah... so if you didn't see that at some point in your life, hunt that down. Yeah, that and the hypnotrist

54:35 Yeah, we gotta find the hypnotist. That's been tricky—he's been tricky but I don't know...I totally recommend uh... I mean i can make a phone call to Topher for you if you want to see it. What time is it? What the fuck is going on?! It's 11 56! I was just about to say that we're about done here. Wow That was a good time. Yeah, the hour kind of flew by man That's good, man. It was good talking to you Yeah thanks for doing this! I had a great time Thanks for sharing Don Peyote with me Thanks for making the movie Shining a light on the conspiracy movement Not many people are doing that Drawing some attention to Pinchback's work Also a noble cause Where can people see the movie? It's not out yet right? No it's going to be out in May In select movie theaters And it's gonna be on VOD Right before then

55:36 So it's coming up soon in springtime. Nice! Well, good deal Dan you're a pimp and a gentleman thanks again for doing this Thanks for making the movie And hopefully we've inspired some people to quit those day jobs and live on more creative path And hopefully that movie inspires some people to hop down the rabbit hole if they haven't already Right on man absolutely let's do it! Let the Tom Peyote revolution begin Cool man. Well, thanks again take care of yourself Okay you too buddy There you have it people, no startling revelations about Reptilians in the White House or the lost city of Atlantis but just some good stoner fun and I think its important to support any opportunity to put the conspiracy world on mainstream and hope that you agree and decide to check out this movie. We all know money talks and if we support ventures like Don Peyote and THC then more alternative media can exist! And we might get a little more crazy conspiracy and less About Last Night… and thats a world that Id be happy to live in.

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57:44 I'm a risk you still don't get the chest fight to make it kick talking to me. Your mama is a bitch You just let my switch, you know, I shoot again. My lefty lips or let you get back inside your little spaceship Give you ahead try to slip me five to the beat of a different drama back with us. No 6 feet, got an imperial fleet backing me up Gonna blow up any attempt to defeat They got a Death Star Got full payments on my car Handed over the hammerhead At most I see Vaar used to carjack Now he's a barback Just go just show how you can get back on the right track Guess for me that's not an option Can't say that with more clarity Me going legit would be like Jar-Jar in speech therapy My backpacks got checks Well I bounty hunt for Java Hut To find it, my vet Well I chill in deep space

58:40 I'ma face, while i deliver the proper I still drown my odds cause my time out at like 2 ways Get down! They say open like a TomTom or a motorbike a Tron Do the deed on them and gone contact Corissian but the politic is legit Back in da day when we lackin' a pod race Mean streak tweaked us, call it chrome warts Cause life's not all about gettin fucked up but I retard Or get locked up odd, I'm large and in charge with a face so scarred A cold black cock that been torn apart The Sith wish that they had no longer for hire With no plans to retire, fuck emcees

59:27 I got jets, well I have a hut to finance my pants