THC 89: Dr. Steven Greer | Alien Contact, Disclosure, & False Flag Invasions

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02:24 How's it going Ironside Chatters? Drinking a little drink, smoking a little smoke. From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and if you travel deep into the extraterrestrial question you'll find there is really only a few good names at the top of that field and Doctor Steven Greer is definitely one them so I am glad to get asked about a whole host of crazy stuff we get into simulated ET false flags The Earth's Galactic Quarantine UFO hotspots in Southern California If anyone wants to go camping with me He drops a lot of bombs in this episode. I thought the boldest of them was probably that the head of army intelligence told him that they've discovered activity going on in subterranean facilities on Mars? I mean shit guys, that's... That's something! And it's not even my favorite part

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03:57 The President Hi, everybody. Over the past month I've been visiting towns across America talking about what our country needs to secure a better bargain for the middle class – some form of higher education The original Red Ranger of Power Rangers fame has been sentenced to death for murdering an Arizona couple by tying them to a anchor and throwing them overboard from their own yacht off Southern California. Prosecutors say the Long Beach man, and the teen actor in the Power Rangers TV series feigned interest in buying the couples yacht and killed him during a test cruise in 2004. The red ranger and his then wife Jennifer Henderson scrubbed the boat clean with bleach wipes in Newport Harbor. The yacht owners bodies were never found

04:40 I then found some more interesting info about the Red Ranger on his Wikipedia page. While awaiting trial in jail, he was also charged with soliciting another inmate to murder his father and cousin He was also accused of killing a man named John Jarvie in 2003 The red ranger's father and cousin who was charged as an accessory to the Jarvie murder were considered important witnesses in both murder cases, so that's interesting. On March 13th 2008 the Red Ranger partially severed his penis with a razor blade while being held in jail In an interview with ABC's 2020 he indicated that he attempted to cut off his penis because he wanted to be a woman Defense lawyers claimed that the red ranger needed the money to finance a sex change operation and that was the motivation for the murder of the yacht couple

05:25 So just another story of the life of a child star unraveling. Another interesting story, A mysterious coded image and QR code appeared on the 4chan message boards two years ago with the message, Hello we are looking for highly intelligent individuals to find them We have devised a test there is a message hidden in this image Find it and it will lead you on the road to finding us We look forward to meeting the few that will make it all the way through Good luck Signed 3301 It was mysterious, cryptic and sparked a global internet mystery that has yet to be answered to this day. Thousands of people took the challenge The codebreakers who dwell in this world said it was simple in the beginning The first puzzle used a technique called steganography concealing a message or image within another image hidden inside that first seemingly simple image were many more pictures codes clues and the reoccurring image of a cicada That's what gave the mystery its name Cicada 3301

06:21 For anyone who hasn't seen the image, it looks a bit like the moth on the poster of Silence Of The Lambs. Extremely obscure knowledge was needed to crack these codes from medieval Welsh literature to Victorian occult numerology. Eventually the clues led to 14 different GPS coordinates in places like Hawaii, Moscow and Warsaw When people visited these locations they found the cicada image there and a further clue People have suspected that perhaps a military organization was behind it perhaps the NSA A. People suspect it could be the CIA or various security services Some people working in teams or individually cracked the code and made it to The N

07:00 So what happened? No one knows, and that is part of the enduring mystery of Cicada 3301. After one got through all the tests the first time around it led to a website on what's known as The Darknet and once a certain number of people had accessed it closed down and left a message We want the leaders not the followers And one more bit of news, a technologically amazing advancement has been made. At the University of Southern California they have built a colossal 3D printer that can build a house in 24 hours! The robot comes equipped with a nozzle that spews out concrete and can build a home based on a set of computer patterns. The technology known as contour crafting

07:42 Could completely revolutionize the construction industry. Workers would lay down two rails for the printer to work along, once that part of the process is finished humans would do the rest of essential tasks like hanging doors and installing windows. Contour crafting could also reduce the total cost of owning a home dramatically and could make it easier to repair homes damaged in devastating weather events While this project is still being tested hopefully in not too distant future The Pirate Bay will have a torrent section for home building blueprints It's happening people And that is this week's Higher Education. Alright people, we know there are a lot of misdirections and cover-ups that shape the publics view of history technology and most other aspects of life and many believe a key pillar in allowing the elite to continue their stranglehold is the ongoing suppression of man's involvement with advanced beings both extraterrestrial and interdimensional and the life changing knowledge and technologies that have come from these interactions

08:38 Today's guest has been researching and exposing these visitations and interactions for almost two decades now. He is responsible for putting together the Disclosure Project, one of the most brilliant avenues for military & government whistleblowing on this subject. He also founded The Center For Study Of Extraterrestrial Intelligence And The Orion Project AND is the subject of a recent documentary called Sirius. One of the biggest names in the field of ufology and disclosure delivering the message on shows like Larry King the Joe Rogan experience and Coast to Coast AM. I'm sure you people are already familiar with his name, but Dr. Stephen Greer welcome to THC! Thank you glad to be on yeah man i'm honored thanks for being here super pumped for this one like I said your one of the biggest names in disclosure got a list credentials and prestigious career highlights a mile long we're no stranger these topics on THC so I'm sure that bulk of the audience is very familiar with you and your work great

09:33 I'm hoping you'll be able to give us a clearer picture of the reality behind this contact. This is such a huge subject, and when it comes to sightings of strange crafts and interactions with these non-human intelligences... When you factor out your standard misidentifications of known things and just talk about the really strange whether we're talking about objects in the sky or beings on the ground there's always three explanations given for the source either it's from outer space from some other dimension or creations from a breakaway society, possibly escaped Nazis or the more typical corporate alphabet agency black projects. But I mean given your vast exposure to these things can you break down what we're seeing? Do you think it's all three is it one more than the other what's going on here man well two of the three are the same thing and let me explain what I mean if there's a civilization visiting Earth and there are number up them that are from other star systems

10:26 In order to get here, they are by definition a priori trans-dimensional or interdimensional. Now why am I saying that? This gets very quickly into the some would say the weeds of really what I think is interesting about all this and that is if you move a spacecraft and its occupants at a velocity beyond the speed of light what I call transluminal. You are by definition, transdimensional and so people use these as if they were two separate things now it's like two intersecting sets with a subset within it there are experiences that people have with non-physical beings

11:11 whether they be people who've had a near-death experience or angelic beings and all of that, that are purely in the so called astral or energy fields that are non 3D physical. now when you take a spacecraft or their occupant and you have the technology and we can get into this later about what the physics because we understand that it's behind us quite well that allow for some uh... the spacecraft and the people with them who have physical three-dimensional bodies in spacecraft to move from one star system to another you cannot do that until you go beyond the crossing point of light

11:52 And so in the mid-1990s, I wrote a paper called The Crossing Point. It actually deals with this whole issue of the intersection between very high Energy, physics and non-locality consciousness thought in interdimensional states because there's a place where all of that comes together. And I think that this is why if it's something that is an interstellar and also has made its way here i call them t d i s transdimensional interstellar now that separate from say someone who had an experience with a being that does not have a three-d component but is living in uh... other dimensions at the mystics used to call astral or that the world of white what have you

12:43 And those are different from the things that Lockheed Martin and my uncle's old company, Northrop Grumman are making. By the way I was on a flight going to – well I can't say where I was going actually but there is a man sitting next to me who was an engineer for my uncle's old company Northrop Grumman and we were talking about this stuff I didn't know this person until I sat down in the seat and he sat down coincidentally or not beside me. I said, ìWell yeah at the CIA they call this WSFM and it sounds like a radio stationî He says what's that? I said well it stands for Weird Science and Frickin Magic. And he says yes at Northrop Grumman we call it PSM

13:29 pure ethane magic. It has to do with an area of science, now there are programs within the aerospace industry and very black projects that have been developing those technologies for more than 70 years, you have to remember T-Townsend Brown was doing very high voltage experiments with crystalline materials causing levitation effects in the late 1920s. So that's fully on over 85 years ago, so I think that when you look at what people are seeing They're seeing all of these things and it takes some kind of knowledge base to then be able to discern whether what you are seeing is man-made but very advanced, and would trick most people into believing that it was ET when its not.

14:21 Or is it ET trans-dimensional interstellar? Or if someone having an experience purely with something that's from another dimension but isn't interstellar and doesn't have a home base in the 3D universe in another star system. And so this sort of discernment is needed because I'm a trauma doctor, and I liken this to someone coming into the ER with chest pain And you only have one diagnosis, a heart attack. Well in reality there's like 115 things that chest pain could be, one of which is a heart attack! So if we don't have enough information and we haven't studied the issue well enough to know that there is a differential

15:01 a distinction to be made, then we don't have the discernment and it leads to a lot of confusion. Which is exactly what you see in retail – I call it retail ufology on the internet on this subject. It's mostly a very confusing picture there's no reason for it to be confusing in my opinion. It just takes some study and understanding about the physics of interstellar travel and also understanding what kinds of technologies have been developed within sort of this parallel governmental military industrial complex that has spent trillions of dollars of our tax money, frankly to develop technology that would blow your mind. And I think thatís where there is a lot of confusion because there are operations that are set up as decoys where the average person seen

15:52 a really advanced aircraft or electronic system coming out of the Naval Research Labs, Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grumman or SAIC, Science Applications International Corporation and these large entities would absolutely be fooled and think it's ET when it isn't. So I think this is where there has to be some humility about taking a step back and saying, we really – a lot of these events we don't know what the point of origin is. And I think there's been a deliberate confusion

16:28 that's been put out there in obfuscation because they'd rather people not know. I know that there have been some accidents that have happened in classified programs where they want people to believe it was ET when it wasn't, you get my drift? Yeah, I'm really interested in that area and you had mentioned Lockheed Martin making biological entities and I've heard this before. I wondered if you could elaborate on that. What's the purpose is that some type of false flag prep like you kind of alluded Yes, in fact one of the things that we've tried to expose it did not make it into the film Sirius and those who are listening there's a documentary that came out in the last few months called Sirius S-I-R-U-S. And you can link to it from our website siriusdisclosure.com. Great film! Sirius felt like this is our system

17:18 And seriousdisclosure.com, you can look at video on demand and get the DVD and soon we're going to start downloading streaming it as well. And in that film we sort of touch on the consciousness aspects of this issue and non-locality awareness of how contact can be made We don't really go into this area you're asking about because the filmmaker thought it was a bridge too far for something that's an hour and 45 minutes. But if you have an audience that sort of has studied this issue some, I think what you then have to begin to look at is what are the capabilities? And the part that gets ignored a lot... Everyone talks about well we have anti-gravity quote unquote or electromagnetic gravity EMG

18:04 propulsion systems that are classified and that's been well established since the 1950s, so-called flying saucers that have been manmade. It is well known that Adolf Hitler, his secret project wasn't the atomic bomb as much it was things like UFOs that were actually man made and that is true absolutely true we have photos from that era from the 40s I think what people is that there has been a parallel and equal development in classified biological technology. Now as a doctor, I know a lot of people at Stanford and other top universities that have had contracts with governmental entities like MIT and elsewhere

18:48 and uh... the reality is that if you have this kind of transdimensional physics that your exploring you can begin to explore within biologicals as well and you end up with some very strange stuff going on uh... and the really high-end what i call the excuse my friends, the bat shit crazy in classified contracting world dealing with the biological So that yes, they have been able to for example create creatures that look like their ETs and they're not. Put them on things that are flying saucers that look ET but they're not and engage in false flag operations which

19:32 retail UFO subculture would call abductions and mutilations. So now some people have had actual contact with ETs, and because the lexicon – the pop culture lexicon is to say any contact is an abduction even if it's not – there has been this commingling of some very virulent false information and false flag operations that deal with trying to scare the hell out of people mixed in with people's real experiences with ETs and when those two things get mixed up, what happens is that the fear factor kicks in and of course you have people running around screaming we're being invaded by aliens.

20:13 which redounds to the benefit of the military industrial complex. Ultimately what Wernher von Braun said on his deathbed, he was one of our – his spokeswoman for last few years in his life is one of our disclosure project witnesses and her testimony is up at seriousdisclosure.com for anyone who will look it. There's nothing secret about any of this. It's open source on internet now and on YouTube What basically Wernher von Braun said was that we were going to have the Cold War and the threat of this sort of polarity between the Soviet Union and America in the West. That would then give way to global terrorism, which would then be followed by threats from outer space. And so there's been a preparatory phase since the 50s and 60s to prepare people for

21:02 Mainstream science says they are not out there. But then there is also a part of mainstream science saying, well there are planets now that are like earth or now estimating 11 billion earth-like planet in our own galaxy that has just come out from the Kepler space telescope and they'll add on to that of course uh... by the way the lockheed guys who just wrote a book a couple years ago but if they ever find out they're going to come here in going to eat it for lunch so you know humans proclivity towards the paranoia and fear of the unknown is being exploited by some very good what's called in a Strategic Studies Institute document I have which i wished had made it into the movie and it didn't that maybe don't make it into the next one where talks about utilizing and hoaxing abductions and mutilations and using quote-unquote stage

22:00 craft to present a false alien threat that the world could unite around. In that mix, you have real ET events going on so this gets to be very complicated and of course we live in an era where everybody wants a really simple quick McDonald's answer to everything. I have bad news for people when you get the intelligence community involved in anything they're going to make a complicated mess out of it. And so then you have to begin to discern what part of the conventional wisdom on this subject is real, what part of it has been tailor-made stagecraft designed to create a psychological effect of fear? So that people would fear the ET in the future

22:49 we could sort of move into, you know like the movie Independence Day. Yeah let's go kick alien butt like Will Smith says in the movie I think that there is sort of a tendency for people to lack the patience to sift through the information and the cases to begin to understand what kinds of experiences might be ET? What might be stagecraft that is being done by humans to scare the hell out of people What part of it might be an experience with something that isn't ET or man-made but is from another dimension? etc. and so on, and so this gets to be I think one of the central problems in the world of all things UFOlogical for lack of a better word And i think that's caused a great deal...a great amount of consternation and confusion Now I tend to err on the side wanting to be very cautious and say before you go running off saying this event or that event was

23:53 I think staged an attack on our own ships so that we could then justify expanding the Vietnam War which of course enriched all the war mongers and military industrial complex folks who are going to make trillions of dollars off that conflict. So I think we have to begin to be a little more mature in how we look at things, but

24:32 Yeah, that's really well put. Now in terms of the real ET events I know you've worked with several governments and the Disclosure Project who have officially opened up their UFO files to you and the research teams Of these countries and governments which ones have made the biggest contributions? What are some of the info that they've shared with you I think that anything thatís been opened up to the public has been through their archives and air force inciting events like Chile, Denmark, France and even the United Kingdom have opened things up a great deal more than the United States.

25:09 Freedom of Information Act type or documents, it doesn't mean that there has been an opening up to the public of the really classified work which actually there's still a lid slammed on that both in United Kingdom and for that matter in France. And certainly the United States I think that there is another level where we have about 110 hours of military and corporate testimony in the disclosure project. By the way, I founded the whole global disclosure movement back in the late 90s.

25:48 It was the result of me doing some briefings for people like the CIA director and the head of intelligence with a joint chiefs of staff, and the head at the Defense Intelligence Agency, and ministers of defense in various countries. What I discovered is that There was the government of We The People with our elected and appointed folks, some of whom but very few of them knew anything about this subject. Most of them didn't and then there's a sort of parallel universe as it were of super secret black projects so-called unacknowledged projects and that is the proper term that she uses, unacknowledged special access project. And we actually go into that in some detail in this film Sirius

26:30 I think the people that I've met with who are in the deep black world of unacknowledged special access projects, USAPs. The USAPs world folks are split between the people who want to keep this secret and continue to keep it a secret and people who really are defecting and want this information to come out. Often I'll have a meeting with those folks, now they will not go on videotape because they're afraid of whatever reprisals might happen to them but those have been my best sources for figuring out what's really going on it puts me in a bad situation because if those people aren't willing to be named rank and serial number put their name out there

27:10 then it becomes very, very difficult for me to provide to the public that information with any backup veracity. But I will say that for example, I've met with multiple people who don't know each other who told me the same story of being on these man-made anti gravity devices and they were the controllers kind of behind the curtain using these biological programmed life forms to go in and stage an abduction or stage something else. And when I first heard that back in the 90s, I thought oh this is just ridiculous. When I then had multiple people who had worked for various corporate and intelligence operations from various eras tell me the exact same modus operandi, I went boy there must be something going on here

27:57 That's when I began to question the entire experiential database that is out there where everything is taken as quote-unquote alien when it may or may not be. It was my coming of age, beginning to realize how nefarious and nasty the intelligence community and these paragovernmental programs can be. I think that's one of the most important things I learned from meeting with this sort of deep inside sources, the other is learning exactly where these facilities in which corporations are involved in all this

28:34 And that's one of the reasons why we put together for the president a briefing that listed all of the known corporate facilities and bases, most of which are subterranean underground. That deal with this issue that we felt he needed to know about and that information is something we're moving out to the public. A lot of it is now on our website The first person by the way to ask me for that, it was kind of comical. It was back in the 90's there was a member of Congress named Christopher Cox who became Bushís head of SEC, Securities and Exchange Commission.

29:14 I was having a meeting with him and he said, ìIím here in Southern California. Thereís a lot of airspace here. Iíve never heard of this issue where are the facilities in my district dealing with it?î So I created up a file for him and that became sort of the thing that then grew into this larger list of facilities and operations Interesting. You know, I am here in San Diego and Southern California where would be a is there any place out there that one might go at night to try to view something if they've never had that type of experience? Yes, well I mean if you go out to near Palmdale and Lancaster and as close as you can get to the Edwards Complex up in the high desert of California in Southern California. You're going to find many people will see objects that will be launched or will be moving around very late at night. There's actually a lake bed that they keep filled with water and there is underground area that opens and objects come on in and out of there at night late

30:17 I know people who, there's a very famous rock band that has their studios down and I'm not going to say who it is. A very big one household name band that one of them was down there and uh... the san diego area and um... his significant other has family members who've gone into i'd met with them who've gone into underground conveyors that go underneath at edwards deep underground and then it connects on the ground all the way out to so-called area fifty one dot than ellis range or other facilities out west also training moving at enormous speeds using these kinds of advanced technologies and and

31:01 So there's a great deal of this, but getting really close to those sort of facilities you can't because they have ground sensors. They know if we're even walking. The airspace above it is restricted and the perimeters are restricted. is outside Provo, Utah in Dugway. The proving grounds at Dugway and that's a very large facility that's all underground there's very little above the surface and of course also out in Australia Pine Gap. Right on! So there are these sort of facilities and this is why when you look at the movie Sirius, there's a little clip in there of Donald Rumsfeld at the Pentagon back when he was Secretary of Defense for George W. Bush saying that there were $2.3 trillion unaccounted for.

31:53 And that's the day before 9-11. I tell everyone, if you don't take my word for it look at the film and see that is Donald Rumsfeld himself saying this. So you know and that was a decade ago so there is probably another 1 to 2 trillion added into that 2.3 trillion that have gone missing or unaccounted for into these black projects since then. With these kinds of technologies and those kind of resources, you can set up a lot of deceptive operations. I know that we also hear stories of entities that have different motivations, some to raise our social consciousness and intelligence and some apparently to harvest us. And of course some are convinced that the planet's elite rulers are at the very least trying to conjure up or contact some multidimensional beings if not take orders from them but what is your opinion on the landscape in terms of motivations in the roles of these various beings?

32:57 Well, I have to distinguish again between extraterrestrial trans-dimensional interstellars that are people, I call them for lack of a better word. Intelligent life forms that are traveling amongst star systems those that have been cleared to leave their home solar system or even their home planet environment are clearly not hostile and have reached a certain level of evolution because if they go through the nuclear threshold like we haven't done and haven't achieved some level of peacefulness they're going to blow themselves up or some other nearby neighbor before they get to our corner of the universe. I call this the evolutionary selection of non-hostility in transdimensional interstellar civilizations, but I think that's one area. Now whether or not there are things from others that are not extraterrestrial—all right? So then trying to introduce this distinction here which is a big one—that may be more or less enlightened as it

33:59 But I'm really talking now about the transdimensional interstellar ETs, what are called ETs. I don't see there's any evidence that any of them have any sort of hostile motivation and one other reason why I am convinced is that if they had that ability uh... to move amongst our systems with that level of technology and they had any intention that way towards us we it would have been made crystal clear and the end again would've been over about the time we detonated first atomic bomb at the trinity site in nineteen forty five i'm very very skeptical this sort of juggernaut of you know this sort of

34:40 duality of whether good ETs and there are bad ETs, and the bad ETs look like this. One of the things I found around that whole split is that often the ones that are the bad ETs look different from us, and the good ones always tend to look sort of Nordic people from norway or sweden i think i find it and and i doubt that it has any legitimacy to it uh... now you can prove a negative by immediately proves there aren't any and i feel well you can prove a negative what i can prove is that we're still breathing the free river uh... we haven't been at conquered per se uh... by any civilization and also point out that if there was a civilization out there

35:24 that had less than enlightened intentions towards humanity and this planet, those are the ones we should reach out to first in what I call the CE5 diplomatic initiative. The thing that got me involved with this originally – it actually led to the disclosure project It wasn't all the military witnesses. We formed a team that went out and made contact, and this made its way up the chain of command to the head of Army Intelligence and eventually the CIA director. Most people don�t know this back story by the way. And that's really what led to the briefings that then led to the disclosure project happening when I realized that the government of We The People was never going to deal with this issue properly, and we'd have to do it. But the impetus for it was there was a small group of us who decided let's go out…

36:13 and in higher states of consciousness, and using the physics of thought and remote viewing and consciousness make peaceful contact. And when we did it with that intention without fear or prejudice, we found that in fact they did show up and they did come and we did have contact and this is what on the radar scope of the cia director that led to the meeting so most people don't know that and it was actually the cd five what a call close encounters with the fifth time which is when you know humans go out together and utilize a set of protocols and we actually you know we have a contact aptly collette that you can get from our website that goes through the whole remote viewing training in all the protocol than

36:55 everything we do and we go out, there are now thousands of teams all over the world by the way doing this. And it's I think creating this morphogenic field effect where we're moving towards an opening of peaceful contact. Now really overt contact were you know as Larry King asked me why don't they land on a White House lawn? I think that something that isn't going to happen until there is real sea change in the mass consciousness but It has to start somewhere and it has to start with some pioneering people who are doing it, with an understanding of the science of consciousness and where that intersects the physics of interstellar communication and trans-dimensional communication. So that's kind of what we specialize in doing with our contact teams

37:40 And to me, that's the most exciting part of what we're doing. One of the most exciting aspects of what we're doing and in our experience I've been doing this now with groups of people all over the world for over 20 years We've never had a harmful or hostile or anything event happen involving ETS Now we have been shot at by humans. We've been harassed by police we've been We've had every kind of horrible thing happen at the hands of our fellow humans, but we've never had anything at all frightening happen from an ET source. What this says to me is that for all the fear-mongering out there which I think really just serves the CIA and the Department of Defense's secret agenda

38:21 The fear-mongering to me is trumped by the fact that we have now thousands of hours and thousands of people who've gone out doing this, who've never had a negative experience. So it begins to bring up the question of where is all this negativity and fear coming from? And who is engendering it? What's the agenda behind the fear? To me, the agenda behind the fear is that You have to create an enemy in order to get the people roused up and support a war. How do you keep a $1 trillion military industrial complex going unless you have an enemy? Leon Panetta, the CIA director said at one point there's only 70 Al-Qaeda in all of Afghanistan and we're spending 110 billion dollars a year there.

39:06 you know what we're going to take seventy lk members so you know at a certain point that the question how do u keep this war machine going unless you can't cop and i think it's happening out of thin air enemy an outer space at burner von browne inventor of the rocket tradeoff hitler warned us about and i don't think that unfortunately I think there's a lot of that manipulation has happened. So my own view of it is that, a lot of the conspiracy theories about this ET group versus that ET group and this, that and the other I don't see the evidence for it. I think it's great if people like to be afraid and paranoid, makes for a great science fiction. I think is very dangerous from policy point of view and also I point out to people that if you really do want have something to be afraid off, you don't have to look much further than what humans are doing each other

39:58 And as an emergency doctor, believe me when I tell you. You have seen it all but the other part of it is that if there was a threat of unenlightened or violent or hostile civilizations from another star system we really need to get the best and most enlightened and peacefully oriented people who are humans to go and make contact and see what can be resolved because here's the existential fact no one wants to hear. If you've got the ability to travel from one star system to another, You have mastered space-time and you have mastered the ability of technologically To take that science and weaponize it. And if you can weaponize it, you can turn the Earth into a pink mist floating through space in about a fraction of a nanosecond Therefore

40:57 If there were, and I'm not saying there are any such civilizations that conform to this sort of internet juggernaut of good and bad aliens. But if there was we better find a way to engage in some kind of more enlightened dialogue than running around like Chicken Little with our heads cut off. And I think that's unfortunately most of what the response has been but I think is a planned response from the intelligence community I think that people have simply been manipulated into that. But a lot of people have this as part of their belief system and it's like telling Jerry Falwell the Earth isn't 6,000 years old if they want to believe that they're going to believe in it no matter how many logical arguments you give And so what I ultimately have to back up too is the fact that if somebody wants to think that way and believes in that very highly dualistic paradigm about life out there in the universe

41:55 Then I think we need to figure out how we're going to approach that and how we're gonna respond in a way that isn't gonna lead to something much worse than mutual assured destruction. Of course, a moment ago you had used the term cleared-to-leave about beings who may have been able to get off their home planet and a lot of researchers have alluded to the fact that a interstellar quarantine here on the earth? Yes, absolutely. I have no doubt about it in fact i've said for years that if you look at our witness testimony from people like Colonel Dietrichson who was head of the old atomic energy commission area section that dealt with all our nuclear weapons facilities and uranium processing facilities he said that every single one of them

42:56 was overflown by the e.t vehicles back in the end for late forties fifty sixty when he was involved and that they have also at the same time had a very keen interest in our space program neil armstrong with overheard stating that this is an tenancy goods book above top secret that when we landed on the moon but there are all these eighty craft on the crater of both the sea of tranquility where we land it which you know my uncle uh... worked on design the lunar module new armstrong their and that i've heard this from other sources in it basically because the moonshot and the apollo mission was really a cold war competition and it was really military we always think of it as a civilian eye effort but it with a very militaristic effort that we were competing with the soviet union in the cold war to get to the moon first conquered space person have dominion in space well this was viewed very negatively

43:52 by the ETs because they think that people from one planet should go out in a peaceful unified way into space, not as competing warring factions. Armstrong was overheard saying that basically we were warned off the moon so we went back a few more times and I know Edgar Mitchell who is the sixth man to walk on the moon but then they wound down the program of going back and it wasn't because of budget cuts which is The reason was that the ETs didn't want us bamming around out in space until we became peaceful. And I think what Iím saying is that there seems to be a universal,

44:31 … policy or doctrine that until a civilization reaches the certain level of what Michikaku calls, a Level 1 civilization where we're living together as a global community in peace on our planet. That basically until you reach that threshold which we have not reached yet… you're really not welcome to go zapping around out there amongst other star systems or even very far to other planets where they could possibly be other facilities or life and i think that that is in fact what happened now i think we have to look at them ask why will it doesn't make sense but let's step off the earth for a minute and looked at humanity through the eyes of e.p in the last century with killed two hundred million of our own people warfare

45:18 That's more than the population of many ET worlds in its totality, more than the population of the earth about that long ago. So we have this unbridled ability to get engaged in murderous behavior coupled with weapons and mass destructions and nuclear bombs and covert so-called scalar weapons that we have developed, that can travel faster than the speed of light. And I think that when you look at that obviously there are ETs out there who are quite concerned about humans potentially being a threat to others and I think this kind of turns the whole oh my God we should be running afraid of the ETs on its head and i think it's probably the ETS who looked at us with some horror

46:05 as we go around murdering each other in syria and everywhere else i mean whatever the war does your is the congo you know two million people dead there that you begin to look at this you go well anyone looking at this planet would go my god you know they got a little growing up today before they go down around adam amongst the stars Let me ask you a little follow-up about the moon because I was hoping that China getting a rover on the moon might expose something that the Americans had not disclosed. Obviously, your of the opinion that the universe is full of life have been presented with any interesting information about beings on the Moon or bases on Mars are in any other areas of our solar system?

46:47 Yes, definitely. In fact the head of Army Intelligence told me very directly that they had imaged underneath the surface of Mars operational ET facilities and I'm not on it. Wow! And as you know from Carl Wolf's testimony who is a Disclosure Project witness that when we were doing digital imaging of the moon prior to lunar landing, the Lunar Orbiter which was going around taking pictures, the early digital pictures did image both new and ancient structures that were on Mars mainly in the Terminator section. Now the Terminator section is a section between the dark and light side of the moon. And now interestingly that's not where the Chinese are but I think if you were – if I was talking to Elon Musk or the Chinese and where I would put something down? I would put something down around the Terminator

47:41 around the area called the Terminator area where it's sort of a twilight area between the dark and light side of the moon. And that is apparently there is clustering of facilities And something I had heard you once say, I wanted to ask you a little bit more about the roles or these different types of beings. These maybe different species is the right term but um...I've heard you mention that for example one of the roles is like creating Noah's Ark of the Earth. You know harvesting everything to have some type of DNA bank somewhere out there. What are some other examples of things that ETs are actually trying to do with us?

48:22 Well, what I've observed and this is something we started to piece together in the early 90s is that there are certain categories. There seem to be some ET operations that deal with an acculturation introducing themselves to people being seen even people having contact experiences what have you some very intimate and very prolonged that really do happen another part seems to be very scientific uh... people want the very famous case that you have in france that within the committee report group of generals and scientists in franca from whom i know put together this report one of the cases with the pro bono where this easy craft landed in a lavender field and the farmer comes out at three in the morning and here all these little guys he's literally p three or four feet tall

49:12 Lavender, taking them back on the spacecraft. Taking samples from his field. Now this actually left a landing trace which was documented by Japan their space agency and it's a very solid landing case that no one has contested as fraud but what were the ETs doing? They seemed to be doing sampling when we were in what i was in belgium i noticed that the week we had a contact with one of these massive craft that there were reports that we had from the genre arm that they were actually scenes putting some kind of sensor system down it looked like a laser and when they met where it was it was over the old fault line

49:54 and if you go to these little towns in belgium a lot of the old buildings are held together by earthquake bolts people forget there have been some terrible earthquakes in europe in the not so distant past but it turns out you seventy percent of uh... the french electric grid and then belgium is getting their energy off of nuclear power plants and unfortunately they put most of them right on these earthquake faults and apparently the E.T.'S were monitoring checking into that because they saw that as something that was at risk Another area that I found is very common if you go to Popocatapelo and other volcanoes around in the Philippines, all over the world. The Ring of Fire in the Pacific, Mount Urshan in Japan, you see these amazing videos and photos of ET craft going in and out of these volcanoes and around this very unstable areas because they think that they're examining how

50:43 The so-called ring of fire is becoming increasingly unstable. And I think that as we melt tons, billions of tons of ice off both our polar axes of a spinning top the earth going through space at 1000 miles per hour there's the risk that there could be a big earth change event uh... or there could be a relief of an enormous uh... event that would be along the pacific ring of fire that could uh... you know trigger massive tsunamis and massive destruction and we have found that whenever there's been in eruption above all canic area or major earthquake their headband consistent reports of fighting for pvc craft around those facilities

51:25 seeing what's going on and perhaps maybe even trying to stabilize the areas. We don't know, that is getting into some speculation but there has certainly been a temporal relationship between those sort of events so you find it around...there are certain number of operations that seem to be scientific Some may be where they're making preparations because there's a Chinese saying, unless we change directions we're likely to end up where were going. For 50-100 years we've been moving in a very bad direction towards increasing conflict environmental degradation and increasing weapons of mass destruction with greater and greater destructive capability so it very well could be and I'm speculating from here

52:08 that there are ETs out there that are observing this and making preparatory plans if it goes to a worst case scenario or just trying to document what we're doing geophysically but also what were doing geopolitically. and i think that there's been a as it would be like heraldedrickson said there's an unmistakable clustering of each he's around our nuclear silos in facilities where they were obviously concerned what we were doing and around our space program and around these two physical uh... uh... active areas and then there's another category i have a man who is maybe intelligence whose on my team

52:49 I was on a submarine that was sent down to the South Atlantic to examine the euphemism of electromagnetic anomalies under the ocean. What they found, they went down there really to hunt for UFO's underwater They were clearly ET craft that was underwater, that were doing scientific examinations under the oceans and taking sampling. But at one point one of these crafts came over to this huge nuclear submarine and was able to take its drive system completely offline. In other words, they couldn't go up or down forward back nowhere side to side they were just suspended in this force field it was fascinating. This guy was on the submarine he was collecting all this data that collected all these electronic data but what's interesting is at one point

53:43 They track one of these objects moving underwater without causing any wake at 450 knots. Now that's the speed of a Learjet. So yeah, and so it is quite interesting he didn't understand how there could be no displacement of water that moved at that speed and I said well, thatís the physics behind you know when you adjust for zero gravity and your dealing with a mass cancellation effect from the physics of very high voltage systems that do this. So they do move through the air without a sonic boom and they move through the water without creating a wake but just like sharp knife through melted butter

54:23 straight through, but literally at hundreds of miles per hour and then disappear in the water. It was fascinating to hear this account about what they were doing even under the oceans that usually people don't even think about. I mean these crafts are so interesting, but you know i'm really intrigued by what I hear less about is the physical characteristics of these beings. Some people in the Disclosure Project have gone into it You know you hear about the typical greys The Nordic type beings that you had mentioned earlier There's stories of reptilian types But what type of entities can you talk about that you've seen enough evidence to believe actually exists That are slightly different looking than human?

55:09 Well, there are a lot. There's some that are incredibly small and there're some that are incredibly tall. We've had on our CE-5 expeditions beings come in transdimensionally. There is a photograph of one at seriousdisclosure.com that happened to Joshua Tree, and that's not far from you where we're shooting. Yeah I saw that picture! And it looks very human-like somewhat different a very different formation of the head had some concave areas in the forehead area and so they range from...and of course there is this controversy about what's in the film with this so called Atacama humanoid

55:52 where some people are said oh well you know what is this thing it's a six to eight year old child that's only six inches tall which means the adults would only be afoot or so but now we're finding there are reports out of russia and other places of these uh... beans being seen in and they're literally these tiny humanoid, two arms two legs a head beings that are less than a foot tall when their adults uh... and others that have been reported better in the thirty to thirty five feet tall range and their apparently skeletal remains in a poll here if it's looking into this uh... at in sardinia and other places uh... where there remain so but there's no reason why you know given the the immensity of the cosmos and then even mainstream science now saying that there is a of likely eleven billion birth like planet for it just in our own galaxy and milk away galaxy just one of billions of galaxies

56:44 that there wouldn't be enormous diversity in size, shape or what have you. I think the caricature and the UFO subculture of the two or three types is mostly Well, again I think it's caricature. And I'm not so sure that some of those forms aren't actually the so-called program life forms or PLFs that are manmade and I think this gets into where you know what is more useful if people would get out their armchairs and out from in front of the television on their computer and form a contact team. It's easy to do, you can download this app from our site it goes through the whole protocols we have people who I mean we had a Croatian truck driver who did this with some people in Croatia and had a contact where this craft floated right over his truck and he was a lorry driver and had amazing contact experiences i think if people would actually engage in real time rather than

57:44 internet speculation they might learn a lot more. Of course that takes more effort than just surfing the net and being a couch potato, everyone wants to be a couch potato and do nothing and then have wild opinions but my view of it is that its more useful to go out and actually do the hard work of And it's actually not hard work. It's fun because you know, you're out in the stars with friends and You don't need a lot of people I mean I've done this I recently did it up near Joshua Tree with 500 people out under the stars but you can do it with three or four people that you have are like-minded with and Its amazing experience that you begin to have in meditation remote viewing cosmic consciousness things that begin to appear

58:23 It's going to appear all around you and it isn't just a physical manifestation. Sometimes if it doesn't seem like its safe for the ETs to come because there are a lot of military that might pick up on their presence and shoot at them, we found that will start having electronic anomalies in electronic devices signaling in a very intelligent way, in the way that this detector isn't manufactured to even be able to make that sound. And the ETs will start communicating through our electronics and bizarre ways." So there are all kinds of fascinating things that happen but I tell people it's actually more bizarre than anything you would read or see in a movie and fun! It is amazingly fun to do

59:05 You really got me wanting to join one of these teams and I think i'm going to look into it but um you know one more, one more question about the crazy speculation that I just... One of the most fascinating things. I wouldn't forgive myself if I didn't at least ask you about it but uh The most far out thing I had ever heard is beans that use like a type of photosynthesis like a plant-like bean or like even feline beans now do you think these are exaggerations? Or have you ever seen anything to suggest that those are real types of beans We have had contact with ones that are like feline beings, we've had ones that look like birds. We've had ones that have very similar characteristics to birds but they're humanoid. We've had contact with ones that are very cetacean looking and almost like a bird.

59:49 a whale head type being in a very thick body but are better upright i think that you know if you look at any kind of life form it has the potential to evolve into a uh... humanoid uh... had two armed two-legged creature and uh... multiple people on our team who did don't even know this because i don't speak of publicly much have a contact with these uh... species looks very much like up uh... a humanoid crane mantis and they're incredibly general under noted to be amazing healers by the way well healing ability and number people had contact with those and on our contact teams but they'd have never heard of it and i'll share it in a different exactly exactly what multiple people in fact my assistant though for years sherry adam at who was murdered helping us do this you know there are three people who were killed back in the nineties when we were trying to do all this disclosure work

1:00:43 My right-hand assistant and a former CIA director, Bill Colby and a member of Congress Schiff. And it's a long story but when she was dying one of these praying mantis type beings materialized in her house and put her in a state, now she wasn't healed but she never had any pain. She died of this horrible metastatic cancer which by the way all of us got it was bizarre thing everyone on my team got this different metastatic cancer that was fatal and I'm the only one that survived but she She never had any pain and I was with her at the time of her death. And that story is in Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge which is kind of an autobiography I wrote that's the basis for this film Sirius but it's a beautiful story of spiritual contact with these beings and the capabilities they have

1:01:37 So there's a huge diversity out there of these sort of life forms and I have found that the ones that people are always describing thousands of people who are on our team all over the world never see. And there are all these others that you never hear about because I think the intelligence community doesn't want you to hear about them." Wow, well I appreciate you sharing that with us. One other thing I wanted to touch on was the current state of disclosure. Conspiracy researchers are always saying things like we're running out of time economic collapse is coming earth changes are coming disclosures coming...

1:02:17 I've heard that over the years you've been to some high-profile meetings trying to bring this stuff through the right channels and, we're still waiting. So give us the 411 on the current state of disclosure in terms of both these otherworldly beings and the implementation of this technology? How close are we to overcoming this petrodollar control grid?" Well, the first thing to understand is that the ETs are waiting for us to be ready for a more open event. And what that means is as I said we have to reach a certain level of collective enlightenment and peace before there's going to be massive overt contact so that just reality at conscious evolution reality in terms of the government but thing that I keep saying to people is

1:03:03 More than half the population thinks that UFOs are real. 43% of the American population, a poll in the last year's think that we're currently being visited More than two-thirds of the population of the world believes there's intelligent life out there. The disclosure project materials, witnesses and information is more known than most people realize even in very elite circles but people don't want to admit it. And so I tell people we've done that. So let's make – there are 2 disclosures. There is a disclosure that I left my medical career to do because I saw that the government was going to do nothing. And there's what everyone else is calling a disclosure event, which meaning that the mainstream governments disclose something. That is very much less likely an event

1:04:00 until something unmistakable happens that they then have to address the issue. Why? Because, for example when I briefed the CIA director and recently I briefed these senior officials in France who do all the advisories for the president of France and back when Sarkozy was president his senior guys came over to Washington we had very long meetings What I found was that the people that you're thinking are going to do something with disclosing information don't have access control. Now what do I mean by access control? Access control means that they have access to these black projects and also control over them, those are two separate things. So for example in the briefing that I put together that went through

1:04:49 the chain of command and was given to Obama after he became president. It has a document from the 90s that lists the code numbers and project codenames, of allotted compartmented super secret operations. And then there is this packet I described it a little while ago that listed all the facilities in corporations and compartments that were involved where they were what sub-facility was named out at this range blah, blah, blah But him knowing that and him having access or control over them are two very different things. Now you add in a third question, who has the courage to step into the buzzsaw to take this issue on? Because the media which is not a free press is going to ridicule any political figure that touches this. I mean I've been called every name in the book and then on top of it

1:05:38 you have the fear factor. So after I briefed Clinton's CIA director on this, one of his best friends came to my house – not the CIA director's best friends but President Clinton's best friends came to my house and sat around my table with my wife and kids and said well they are very supportive about what your recommending about disclosure in ending secrecy but they're convinced that if the president does this he'll end up like Jack Kennedy I started laughing. He stopped me and said, ìNo theyíre serious. Youíre telling me that you canít protect the President of the United States? What am I?î And he said, ìYou should do it!î I later pulled him aside and said, ìWhat youíre really saying is that Iím expendable.î He said, ìYes, youíre expendable because youíre not important."

1:06:26 I think that's a very harsh Washington mindset. they're afraid of this secret government group that has more power than you can imagine and what they realize is what clinton said years later he said you know the white house was to crown jewel of the federal penitentiary system your basically in prison there so people have this wrong idea that just because you did the president of united states for the president of france or the prime minister unite kingdom but you have an all-access path

1:07:09 and that you actually have control over these operations. They don't realize that what Eisenhower warned us about, the where of the military industrial complex because it'll get out of control be a threat to our democracy came to pass. It had already come to pass when he gave that speech in January 1961 right before Jack Kennedy went into office and so for 50 years we had been living in an era over fifty years The people that we think are in charge of all this stuff really are, I hate to say it fairly clueless. And even if they find out about it which is what I've done the best I can do as a civilian to help them find out and be their sort of Sherpa through this wilderness and guide

1:07:55 I'm the cosmic Sherpa. They end up discovering that they don't have control over this group and this group, what used to be called Majestic, and I understand there's a new name for it now, C-COR, S E C O R, that this group It really has more technology and more power than the president or the Senate Intelligence Committee, and therefore hold the Trump card. I'll tell you a little story so that it will make it as short as possible. what they call J2, the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon and an admiral. And he had asked to receive a stand-up briefing with the Pentagon. I agreed to go and brought my wife and daughter along

1:08:49 the astronaut, Edgar Mitchell along with me and some of our disclosure witnesses and people who are insiders who knew the subject. Before the briefing I had sent ahead a time by courier a packet that included some of these documents and he recognized in one documents, an operation that he had heard of but didn't know what they were doing. It was related to UFOs and ETs. He contacted this compartmented numbered entity and it was being run by a contractor

1:09:27 And he said, look this is Admiral so and so and I want to be briefed. He used the word read into which is the Pentagon speak. I want to be read into this project. They said yes sir we know who you are but you don't have a need to know This is the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States of America and the Admiral goes, ìGoddamn it. If I donít have a need to know who does?î They said, ìSir we cannot discuss this with you." He was furious and they just basically hung up on him and blocked his line thereafter so by the time I get to this briefingÖ

1:10:08 And here I am with a man who walked on the moon and all these top secret guys who knew about this stuff. This admiral is so scared and so angry, not angry at me but angry at this situation." It was supposed to be like 20-minute standup briefing when you're dealing with someone of that level in government it tends to be very crisp. It went on for over two hours In fact, if Edgar Mitchell hadn't had a TV interview up in New York it would have gone on for longer. The Admiral kept canceling things downstream and said I've got to hear this so by the end of the meeting I said you know Admiral we really need your help getting control over this operation and helping us with disclosing this information because we've got to bring out these sciences and technologies for peaceful use. We've got to get

1:10:56 problem in our democracy, this cancer that's destroying our democracy fixed. And he looked at me and said how do I do anything? Because if I don't have an order from the Secretary of Defense or the President, I would be going rogue which is a problem with the group that has gone rogue. Number two – and this was very chilling – he says the best thing I know about in my arsenal is a B-2 stealth bomber. And I've learned today that there's a secret air force that have things that can do circles around my B-2 stealth bombers, what am I going to do? It's point set match." It was very chilling sort of existential crisis that you know I was involved with and similar thing happened after I briefed the CIA director at the very end of the meeting. The CIA director turned to him and gave him this white paper in my very first book

1:11:49 that you can get on seriousdisclosure.com and in this set of recommendations it has all these things that I think the president ought to do, and its a very long meeting again we thought it would be brief meeting goes on for almost 3 hours And I turned to him and said, look we really need your help getting the disclosure on this and bringing this out. He looked at me and says how does the president – and how do I disclose something that we have no access too? And he wasn't kidding. He was not joking when he said we don't have access

1:12:27 So it's so dysfunctional. To answer your question, the action is going to come from We The People and I'm sitting here down the road from Thomas Jefferson's Monticello at the We The People and my farm here in Virginia and what I feel is that people have to empower themselves to find more of these whistleblowers, people that come out with credible documents and information. We the people need to make contact we the people have to do disclosure and finally which is the thing it's been hardest thing for us to do we the people need to bring together the funding and the brain trust of scientists and researchers

1:13:11 to bring up these technologies that could get us off oil and gas and coal. Because when the day is done, this whole issue and the secrecy around it is about macroeconomic power. So what Paul Hellyer, the Minister of Defense for Canada – I've spoken about at some press conferences – that it's really about who runs the world? Who has the power? The technologies of how these UFOs whether they're man-made or interstellar are moving. They are not using fossil fuels They are not using rockets from the 40s. They're not using what Elon Musk is doing at SpaceX, which is just a fancier version of what Wernher von Braun had in the 40's for Hitler. It's very advanced trans-dimensional physics and until those sciences are liberated

1:13:56 from the yoke of this sort of fascist petro-nazi regime, the world is going to continue to deteriorate and so is the body politic in our democracy. And people say well when is the government or the corporation's gonna release this stuff? I say sometime between now and never yeah I think we that we the people need to figure out how do we do our own civilian open source, no patents and no trade secret program to bring these technologies out and develop them free from the

1:14:34 the venture capital crowd and free from the big government crowd who ultimately, you know if you have the big money in people involved who own the technology they're going to sell out for the highest bidder. Right but it's a... It is gonna put it back on a black shelf so this is what this is really where the rubber meets the road where we have to figure out What do we want to do when we grow up? Sitting around passively expecting the government and these large corporations to do anything constructive, I don't mean to sound cynical but having dealt with the government at the level that I have for 20 years,

1:15:17 the people have to take responsibility for this and have to actually take action and go from information, and sort of being entertained by this issue. And it is entertaining, it's interesting that they're actually doing constructive things like going out making contact, going out in developing these technologies, and going out and spreading the word about disclosure but also finding more and more people who are credible to disclose information about what's going on at Edwards what's going on at the Dugway Proving Grounds, what's going on inside the black projects that Lockheed Skunk works. I mean this is exactly what we need to do and it needs to be sort of an awakening globally on this issue and I think that thatís really how itís gonna happen. Now if isnít a say that at certain point of us, we are people doing back thereís possibility

1:16:11 from the covert interest and the mainstream government or at a certain point now they just sample spookier but it's certain point where we begin to did degrade our civilization in our bias here so far there may be an over command that the etc do but i think that kind of the last stop on the f train it would be much better you know and i was your fuck at that point she is my friends but okay here because So because ultimately, if you're codependently expecting the ETs to land and fix this mess

1:16:49 This is delusional. It's like expecting that we're going to land in Afghanistan and turn a feudal society into a Jeffersonian democracy in a decade." Well, this is ludicrous! It doesn't happen that way so the ETs I mean the kind of thing that some people think might happen it could happen that way but what happened under some worst-case scenarios and so I tell people look you know we can become enlightened We can awaken and join together and take constructive action. We can do contact together, we can do disclosure together, and we can bring out these technologies together." And behind the scenes there will be some pretty mysterious cool things that the ETs have helped us with. I wouldn't have gotten this far without some really weird amazing things that have protected and helped us but at the same time it's a big mistake to think

1:17:38 We're the children of planet earth and I think the ETs view us as being responsible for this planet, so we need to start taking responsibility. However when I meet with people in Washington even the people open to this and who are supportive of disclosure and bringing up these technologies They're mostly politicians and bureaucrats, and they don't have the courage to go up against this Majestic 12 or this secret cabal. They just don't want – they don't want to go into the buzzsaw as Gore Vidal wrote the foreword of a book Into The Buzzsaw years ago about journalists… …and other people whose lives have been destroyed by taking on these powerful interests. When Gore Vidal talked about that he said very few people want to go voluntarily into that buzzsaw.

1:18:22 which is what I've done. But, when you look at Washington and you look at the power elite – the wealthy, politically powerful and connected – they just want to maintain what they have or get more power money. They don't want to take on something that isnít going to redound to their own personal ambition in glory. Which is why for the most part The ruling class never is responsible for the big changes in history. If you look at history, it's almost never where the power of center is that the change comes from. It comes from the periphery – from we the people and that's true of every revolution

1:19:04 Well, I mean that...I totally agree with that analysis but it's at such a tall order to topple the ultimate control machine. But this kind of brings me to one my last questions you mentioned that the president couldn't talk about it and so how is it your allowed to operate at this level? Because we've had reporters like Michael Hastings killed for what seems to be a lot less than this high-level information. You're meeting with high ranking officials some seem to be behind you others against How are you allowed to talk about these kind of things and be in the forefront without being snuffed out? Well, A. You're assuming that attempts haven't been made to do that... Well right but I mean they should be able to do it if they wanted to Sure and I think that the reason for is that there were a group of people who

1:19:54 support what we're trying to do who have significant influence. And so it's interesting, you know when I first got involved with this I was told by two separate people that didn't know each other that only about a third of Majestic at all supported what I was recommending back in the 90s. I was told not long ago 70% of that control group is now supportive. Now the other 30% will eat their own and kill their own which is what happened to bill colby the c i director who was killed after he was going to give my group an operational quote-unquote free energy device because even you know part of this cabal some c i directors knew about the stuff and some didn't but i think that what that means is that there are people who they have been interest

1:20:44 and seeing that this is dealt with properly. If they step off the reservation too far because they're in the system, there's a big risk that they will be killed. I on the other hand am well as this guy said not important so as a civilian, I'm a doctor who has chosen to take this path. I've taken no oath anyone. I don't have any security clearances. I don't want any. I've been offered them but I don't want By the way, all these meetings I've had have been completely open without any security clearances by me or anyone I brought into the meeting happened to be signed. So, which is pretty remarkable and i think that it but because that's the only way I will do one okay and so if someone wants the information we have that's the ticket to get in. And I'll do it for free you know go anywhere in the world and I have recently I was just all the way over enough 23 hours of flying to get to a remote

1:21:45 island where there were a hundred and twenty leaders from around the world meeting i was asked by the founders of this sort of like uh... really elite davos type thing to do a presentation so i went there for free and did it and um... now i can you know i'll tell you about half the people on that island i think one of her only into the ocean kill me but the other half over you know maybe open-minded in maybe ten or twenty percent were really supportive Ultimately, I think that being able to thread this needle which is what Iím trying to do is a balance that I have to strike but there are very good people.

1:22:21 who support this and I think it's a mistake to believe that the CIA, Pentagon and covert programs or some of these big corporations don't have people who very much want to see us do the right thing here. There are people who are very protective so I think people want to paint everything with one brush and unfortunately the human situation is more complex than that. That's a fair answer. Well, hey man alright that pretty much brings us to the end of the show you know I really respect and appreciate your role in this whole realm of secrecy i know you face a lot of criticism and skepticism but that happens anyone is at the top their field so thanks for sharing all that juicy info with us it's been a blast would like to fill people in on what Dr Greer working on currently where they can keep up with ya

1:23:13 Yes, if people go to SiriusDisclosure.com you can sign up for free and get our mailings and information on what's going on and I also have a Twitter feed at DrStevenGreer and also Facebook page Sirius the Movie. on Facebook. People can see the film online and they can also get involved in these contact groups and get the Contact app, there's a link there on the website. This coming year in the next few months we're going to come out with a free app so that everyone who wants to be part of a team can be in a social network where they'll see where everyone else is and can link up with them

1:23:57 them. We're developing that, and now we have a volunteer. I have to keep in mind everything we've done has been without an office of staff or any real funding so it's sort of being done by volunteers – we don't have a hard date for releasing that. And we're going to do a number of expeditions coming up this year where we're going out into the stars while leading a group of people. It's likely going to be in California, Arizona, and a few other places. Oh yeah, it's open to anyone to register and come. And they can find out about it again if they just sign up at seriousdisclosure.com. It's free and you can get our newsletter and information as we have events happening will notify you. Cool man! Well thanks again. Keep doing what you do and hopefully sometime soon we'll see some mainstream movement on this discloser issue. Okay great thank you so much. Alright man take care

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1:27:14 I'm mean, from outer space I'm mean, I'm mean free I'm mean free