THC 86: Neil Sanders | Dark Secrets Of The Hollywood Mind Control Machine

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05:18 Leonard Millman, Larry Mitzell Henry Kissinger David Rockefeller Ansar Ben Shari the head rabbi of Israel and others unnamed. And for all the fluoride believers here's some great news for the sweets filled holiday season A doctoral candidate at Tulane University discovered an unlikely player in the fight against tooth decay, an extract derived from the cocoa bean. Using leftover human molars he applied either fluoride or cocoa extract. Next teeth were placed in a specialized machine which pressed and indentation into each tooth. The depth of depression indicates hardness of enamel. He observed that teeth treated with cocoa extract were more resilient than those where fluoride was used

06:01 In a second test, each tooth was left overnight in the solution of either fluoride or cocoa extract. The following day they subjected the tooth surface to strong acid for 10 minutes when they measured the amount of calcium that had leached into the acid They found that teeth soaked in cocoa extract had lost 8% less calcium than their fluoride counterparts And here's a good little end-of-year TSA story As many of you know, when asked to empty our pockets at airport security travelers are quick to oblige placing wallets cell phones and spare change in the basket. And in a rush to collect belongings and quickly head to the gates for departure stray coins can be an afterthought for some passengers Well last year those afterthoughts totaled over $500,000 dollars! Where does this hunk of change go? According to the TSA Loose Change Act

06:47 The TSA has authority to retain and spend, without annual appropriation, unclaimed money left at security checkpoints by air passengers for activities related to aviation security. Well the TSA collected over 500 grand in 2012 as well and the agency had only spent $6500 by the end of fiscal year. Isn't that interesting? The top 5 airports stealing our shit Miami International $39,000 McCarran International in Las Vegas $26.9K O'Hare International in Chicago $22k LAX $21.9k and JFK International just under 21 Well ain't that some shit? There's your higher education for the week Here is Neil Sanders

07:35 Here we go, people. We've heard about the darkest of dark government black projects like MKUltra and Project Monarch and we've talked about some of the textbook cases of celebrity mind control victims unraveling live on The 8 O'Clock News but how deep does this manipulation go? How vast and wide are these networks who's involved in just how well oiled is this machine? Well people it seems like Britney Spears and Miley Cyrus are just the tip of the iceberg and today's guest has quickly become one of my favorite speakers on the subject His name is Neil Sanders and he has a Master of Arts in Film Studies, studied Psychology and Media Production for his BA Honors and is a qualified hypnotherapist. Neil is considered an expert on the subject of mind control and has been studying the history of this dark art and its application by military and government agencies across the globe and inside Hollywood for many years. And he's the author of Your Thoughts Are Not Your Own Volumes 1 & 2. Neil welcome to THC!

08:27 Hi, thank you very much for having me on Greg. Yeah man it's a pleasure to have you here your background and education are pretty interesting in the context of these subjects that we're going to talk about and We know movies can be a huge tool propaganda and opinion shaping did your study of film have any influence on your journey down this rabbit hole? Well, yeah. I mean a lot of it sort of when you start to investigate the financing and there's two elements in the film industry that started peaking my interest. One was the use psychology, particularly Freudian psychology and Jungian archetypes and that sort of thing in the framing of just something as simple as the framing of a villain say. They'll be very smoothly dressed. They might have a scar or something like that. There are certain things that will dictate who's the bad guy and who is the good guy. One of the simplest is to have a dog or cat.

09:22 like the good, the bad and the ugly. And then so there's all that sort of element and other things that you wouldn't Initially, I mean some things are obvious like the framing of who the enemy is. No, there was a conscious shift whilst I was actually studying really from from Russians to Islamic fundamentalists, you know we had a lot of films like I and paradigm shifts. And then the people who are actually the good guys in Rambo 2, are all of a sudden the bad guys in True Lies and various films like that so I started to notice that hang on there really are themes that run through the sort of construction of reality in films basically. And then when you start

10:33 The financing and the marketing aspects of films, you realize that they're not pieces of art. You might get a piece of art out of that but more often than not that's really not the point of it. It's something to be sold as a commodity. The director may have an artistic view or the actors may have an artistic view but I It was seem to be derogatory of the american military and that's sort of time in vietnam and so they will refused any access to any aspect of the military where is films like james bond for example, they will get the military helping them and providing.

11:30 props and uniforms, you know anything that there might be locations weaponry anything like that on the understanding That they have a final rewrite of the script. I believe it was tomorrow never dies There's a boat gets stolen and in the original script It was going to be an American boats And so this is what we can't do that and said they made into a French boat that was stolen And actually, they were filming some scenes in Paris. So the French government said we can't do that and in the end they basically made it a Canadian because they didn't actually need any Canadians in that particular film. The one that really got me was the Winter Palace, the concept of the storming of the Winter Palace during the Russian Revolution

12:12 Basically, this is a widely talked about incident that actually appears in several history books as if it was a real incident. And it wasn't! It was a complete propaganda exercise. I believe the film was October 10 days...I forget the full title of it but it's a Sergei Eisenstein Essentially, the real storming of the Winter Palace was a load of basically inept Russian rebels that ran into the palace got lost and had to be escorted out by the only few remaining servants that were there. But then this was filmed and mocked up. There's two acts one was at live stage show, a stage production where they actually mocked off on attack on the palace and then this was filmed and made into a film by Sergei Eisenstein

12:57 And this was put out and it showed the huge Russian czar's army being beaten back by the proud peasants' army and the people's army, going in there standing on tables waving bits of paper around. It was a huge moral victory. It was a great big symbolic entity but the problem is that this never happened but what's strange is that now become absorbed into the lexicon of history to the point where people believe it to happen. Same thing with things like Mary Antoinette never actually said let them eat cake, that was a quote that was attributed to her that has been attributed at least two people before them and its just an expression of this woman as a tyrant but nine out of ten people would tell you that that was a factual

13:46 you know, happening basically. So that's obviously not film but film does run that gamut I mean let's just look at Argo. Argo is pure CIA propaganda I mean it's nonsense, the story is not historically accurate and it just basically a way of saying look how great we are. There have been a few recently, Hurt Locker and Zero Dark Thirty are the most obvious both of them got extensive funding from US military and intelligence agencies right? And I'll tell you for why because they use military equipment And there's no way that they could have that military equipment if they didn't have the say so in the final right of the CIA Hollywood liaison bureau which used to be run by George tenant but isn't any I'm not sure who runs it now. Forget the guys name, but basically is said these are these a propaganda pieces and zero dark 30s incredibly their recruitment tools aside from anything because they basically justify

14:42 being a psychopath in the hurt locker and just this sort of, they basically hype up war. It's the tagline, war is a drug. And then Zero Dark Thirty for example that's very clever because publicly they disavow any connection to it and say the torture scenes that's Hollywood fiction But if you know the mechanics of how Hollywood gets its financing, they must have been in on it. They must have had the say so on the final draft to the script. So what they get to do there is basically say oh no we'd never do that whilst sort of winking and basically pressing up against you and going We do this and will do it to you If you don't tow the line It's a brilliant way of having their cake and eat it too but basically I mean

15:30 The famous recruitment tool was Top Gun, which famously actually had recruitment booths outside the cinema. No way! I've never heard of that. Yeah when the film finished basically there were Navy and Army recruitment booths put up directly outside you know essentially do you want to be Tom Cruise? Do you want to be Val Kilmer? Yeah yeah and that is very very powerful i mean this is the whole point of the media. I mean Edward Bernays was the first person to publicly acknowledge this sort of propaganda power of media because it sets people's precedence. A lot of people, I've never seen a panda for example and this is a glib example but I know what a panda is like because I've seen it on the television and so if you were less informed or if you had a narrower viewing field perhaps you would assume that all

16:27 Muslims were exactly like they're portrayed on Fox News, right and what that is is I forget what it's called now. I've gone simple. It's gross and Gerbner, cultivation theory. I do apologize. Yeah and it's essentially the concept that the more you watch television the more you come to believe that this is a realistic representation of reality so it bleeds backwards and forwards mean world syndrome is the concept that I'm sure you're familiar with especially people think that the world is far scarier place and believe that racial stereotypes or ethnic stereotypes are more threatening because thatís the only example they get on the programs that they watch. It really does affect people and this is where people get the concept of xenophobia, itís from being misinformed.

17:21 Yeah, this is the point. Films particularly when they're sort of financed by CIO or CA slush funds and such like that... They are an incredibly powerful medium. Right there's a reason they're investing in it at that level I mean, aside from the sort of just to bring it back to more tangible things. They'll set trends they'll tell you how you want to have your hair done or who your friend that looked a little bit like still my friend who looked a little bit like Leonardo DiCaprio and when Titanic came out he was fighting goes off with a shitty stick like purely because he looked like the alpha male at time. He's the most desirable person that's on the pedestal of the minute and but it can set you know, everyone's got 1940s hairdos in England with this sort of swept back

18:13 Like Michael Fassbender and The Great Gatsby, Inception, Prometheus and various other films. I'm my testicles aren't constricted enough, I need to get them like tight in this denim. Like no it's because all of a sudden Lil Wayne started wearing them and so-and-so started wearing them and every metal band in the world started wearing them and you know all these different things. So this is where precedence gets set. The other aspect for film that's quite strange

19:11 The direct correlation with the intelligence agencies, for example it's long been suggested that people like Errol Flynn was perhaps a Nazi spy utilizing his entertainment credentials to move in and out or to pass information. Cary Grant reportedly worked for MI6 whether this is true we don't know. Greta Garbo was going to assassinate Hitler Apparently, and one thing that's certainly true is I'm terribly sorry but my memory has gone his name's gone. The producer of the film Fight Club has recently been exposed to be an asset of the Mossad

19:52 Really? Yeah, absolutely. And yes and yeah it was very very recently actually that it came out so if people want to Google that they'll find out that That's the way but entertainment I mean it sees two things one is brilliant because people assume that it's just entertainment So they don't really expect Yeah, yeah kind of. I mean the other thing is they'll put up with a certain amount of debauchery and what could be called bad behavior because hey you know we're living vicariously through these rock stars but then the other thing is it's the way that

20:29 Certain people can be utilized. I mean depending on what you believe obviously Bob Hope was apparently an American spy a handler Yes, yes, you know Kathy Bryce Taylor sorry and Yeah basically that may well be true this certainly a lot of sort of corresponding evidence from uh... what about it was another researcher he sort of um... remembers running into and uh... cat and price taylor with pop hope at said some sort of inaugural function that you just so happen to be within the matter again years later when d discover this user a mind control agent just real quick for those people don't know exactly we're talking about bob hope is allegedly handler for the child pornography ring the child prostitution ring that goes throughout hollywood and the political elite

21:20 Yeah, and I mean it's what certainly true is he didn't write any of his jokes He he was a performer not comedian. So yeah skill I mean that certainly frees up a lot of time doesn't it? And obviously he was famous for being at sort of USO shows and stuff like that Going into places where there was conflict happening Other people that were certainly intelligence agents were John Mulholland who was a very famous magician in his time, he was particularly good at sleight of hand tricks and what he did is he was the person who actually taught the CIA how to put LSD into people's drinks without them noticing.

22:04 He actually wrote a manual which is still available, you know it's still utilized by the intelligence agencies. Houdini was the same apparently when he was supposed to be in the box for hours and hours on end he'd gone out of trap door and was off killing people for Uncle Sam quite similar to Chuck Baris. Yeah, Chuck Baris! You know the guy that did The Gong Show and Blind Date is called in England I think it's called...I don't know what it's called in America. The Date Show or whatever it was called. Yeah, dating game Yeah, that's the one. What's funny about that one is there's you know actually there's the book and the movie about it and yeah That's kind of another strange aspect Of film that I've always thought was interesting in the conspiracy world Is that the idea that people put out real secrets in these films so that when researchers come out with information exposing These things the public won't accept it because they associated with a movie like Stargate You know yes some abilities in it

22:58 Right. Because it's the first thing that they go to, you know? I saw a little brown alien being chased by the government. No you didn't! You watched E.T., because it's their sort of go-to reference for it really isn't it? The other sort of aspects that are very strange particularly with film and music industry is obviously the intertwining of drugs and organized crime And this again runs the gamma The Mafia essentially started the music industry with this sort of jukebox wars and then moving on to payola to make sure that their particular artists it's like the industry run protection racket. Essentially they were making sure certain people got in to certain parts that you know, the bit in the interesting way said, You know, the bit in The Godfather where Johnny

23:49 I believe it was Samji and Carnobae, I could be hideously wrong about that so forgive me if i am but essentially the Mafia Don he was associated with put a gun to this man's head and said he is in the film. He is from here to eternity and low and behold he wasn't from here to eternity. I mean don't muck about Frank Sinatra grew up next door to Lucky Luciano in Sicily

24:25 And he was a bag man for the mafia. He wasn't, I mean this is the other thing like Frank Sinatra would be considered like you know one of the top celebrities untouchable and he was completely indebted and terrified at the mafia So you know this is all in image isn't it? This is one of those things about music industry and film industry They present unsustainable unrealistic expectations and lifestyles The majority of musicians don't make a lot or in fact any money. A lot of them come out of it not doing particularly well If you look at bands, just think about three bands that were huge two years ago and where are they now? You've no heard of them I've got friends who have been signed to major record labels and indie records labels and various different types of things And to a man every one came out owing money

25:20 I mean you just recently had like a crap group obviously with this band end up there all gonna be bankrupt very very soon because it's all for show. You've gotta get this lifestyle going on but then obviously the public buy into that and so they want to get this aspirational quality in be like these alpha people and the way to do that obviously is to buy big car shiny jewelry All of this, Lark. It's nonsense! There are various people in the industry and insiders that will tell you this. Biggie Smalls – best rapper ever – had $15,000 in the bank when he died not enough to pay his mortgage so he was broke, bankrupt. MC Hammer is a silly example but MC Hammer went from being the most profitable artist on the planet to being bankrupt within a year

26:10 Now, let me ask you a little bit about that because when you get into this stuff with people participating in the child prostitution rings and these strange rituals. When you see someone... I once made the joke that A one-hit wonder is just somebody who wasn't going to play ball once they got invited to the parties. Do you think there's an element of that? If someone stays on the top for a long time, they must be good at keeping this secret or do you think if they get erased if they aren't cool with it all?" I think it very much depends on the person because this is one of those things that people say, well so hang on. So everybody that's been in it has been through some sort of satanic ritual and you don't necessarily need that to control people because purely from a financial feeding of the ego... Don't put out a song questioning 9-11 because all your sponsors will disappear! Don't do this because you'll become The Dixie Chicks and we're going to ruin ya! And only when you make a massive apology are we gonna bring you back

27:10 It very much depends on what the agenda of the artist is because you know some of it's there just to make money and some of it Is there? To make statements, and so it's a very very interesting point Does lady Gaga understand what she's doing when she's doing sort of ritual sacrifice? and Epithets on stage or is she just following what a choreographer's told her right? There's the question Well, this is this. This is the question then when you get into the sort of realms and multiple personalities such like that Then it becomes even more complicated And you know difficult for people to sort of hang onto and you know It moves off in two different strands. It's very difficult to know some record companies exist purely too

27:58 They make their money by having not successful artists. Like they'll pump out one single and then that artist is indebted to them, for example right if you get a million dollar record label okay five album million dollar record deal which is what everyone gets on the x-factor in America's Got Talent all these crap shows okay because it sounds great a million dollars or million pounds five albums wow let me explain what that is that is a 1 million pound loan And with that loan, which you have to pay back they're going to help you promote the project that is you. So everything comes out of it – from that day forward every penny spent by a record company in promoting you comes out of that million pounds. If you make some money off the single you'll get 5% of the profit of 10%.

28:50 So if you make enough of that, you'll get some money back. But what does the five album deal mean? It means that you're contracted to that company for five albums. But it means that you can't go anywhere else until you've completed those five albums unless you want to buy out of the deal, which can be very expensive. So if your first album doesn't do particularly well then they've got no obligation to ever let you perform again but you can't play live or produce music independently because then

29:26 you know, defrauding the company or whatever it is. Ben Folds I'm a big fan of but he has a song called One Down and the lyrics are one down in 3.6 tomorrow and then i'm out of here! And its literally about him having to churn out 4.6 songs before his contract's up... Whatever .6 of a song is who knows? Well, famously Lou Reed did that nonsense. I can't remember what Metal Machine might be called? I might have got that wrong again. It was basically a nonsensical drone noise album and it was just to fulfill the contract but I don't think you can do that anymore. They've got loopholes and stuff there. Yeah they close all of that up. The concept of multiple personalities as well people would say is very strange but a surprising amount of people who go through

30:11 the milieu end up having them. I've assumed that people have talked about Britney Spears and stuff like that, Lindsay Lohan apparently has multiple personalities one called Diane and one called Margot. It's very strange and then you've got other people like Beyonce whose recently come out as now Yonce rather than Sasha Fierce and they'd have got professional alter egos if you like. It's so weird I don't know why we accept nobody i know in my regular life just changes their name but yet these celebrities they do it all the time and some people chalk it up to ego service but there are some weird occult esoteric symbolism and meanings behind some of these name changes, its really odd. Well what was Nicki Minaj? Zoman Polanski or

30:58 It was Roman Zolansky or something, which is slightly strange because Roman Zolansky's very dark and obviously pedophile. He drugged and sodomized a 13-year old girl. This is another strange thing that you can The pedophilia aspect is sometimes fine if you're a successful artist. What's really strange is that Gary Glitter and Jonathan King are not allowed to have their records on the radio anymore, unless it's Pink Floyd or any of the ones who were making money obviously but they still get royalties for it obviously.

31:38 Wilfred Bramble who was in Steptoe and Son, he's a known pedophile. They still show Steptoe and Son. Let's think of R Kelly. R Kelly married Aaliyah when she was 15 and pissed on that 14 year old girl. He is a known pedophile. Jimmy Page ran off with the 13 year old girl Stephen Tyler legally adopted a 16 year old girl and then gave her cocaine while she was having an abortion. Ted Nugent married his 16 year old girl, Roman Polanski raped to 13-year-old girl Elvis Presley married of 14 year old girl Jerry Lee Lewis married a 13 year old girl you can get away with it yeah Woody Allen is own daughter? Yeah Woody Allen not just did he's own daughter like several of these are adopted daughters

32:26 Here's the other one, Bill Wyman with The Rolling Stones. I was watching a program called Led Zeppelin because I'm a big fan of Led Zeppelin but like Pamela de bars who wrote I'm with the band. She's a world-famous groupie She was the first groupie that wrote tell all book about about the subject she was basically saying and then all of a sudden or these little girls came into Hollywood and these are little girls, you know babies like 12 13 14 And the bands were fascinated with him and I was thinking that's not okay, you know That's not alright. Yes it and that that the manner in which it was sort of

33:05 At no point did anyone say, hang on! Say what? 13 years old?! Did you say like yeah it's incredible. Well now on your side of the world you got that lead singer from The Lost Prophets he's pleading guilty to raping a baby and filming it and rape him and some of his groupies had sex with their own kids yes yes i mean like this and injunctions in england that mean you'd he can't find out or talk about certain elements of the case uh... mostly to protect the children's identities but that they did but actually it's a bit right so they say it's k convenient excuse for them as well no no no i i completely appreciate that uh... and you know if it like but the put these are very very strange cases is coming on

33:53 I If you're into metal, which I am like 10 years ago when I was at Rock City in Nottingham we all knew that he was a pedophile then because they played in Nottingham and we knew girls that had been going out with him stuff. That were 14 like these been on websites and discussion forums for years and years and years that he likes young girls. He's got a website up called motherless calm if you go on there this blatant links to child pornography on it and this has been up for years and years and years five

34:33 different separate police agencies were approached about this and it took seemingly at least four years for this to come to light. Very similar time to the Jimmy Savile case coming to life obviously after he died and that, I wonder if This is basically because at a similar time we had a scenario in England where certain care homes in Wales were being exposed as Basically being brothels for politicians and high-profile celebrities run by mi5 and mi6 And it seemed to detract that the celebrity Rush, you know Jimmy Saville was sleeping with dead bodies. Jimmy Saville's doing this and all these other celebrities like previously beloved like Rolf Harrison such again

35:26 and accused of various things as well. I think that's a distraction from the very real cases that are involved with MI6 and MI5, it is a practice of the intelligence agencies. Two of the proven admitted people that were used in cases of child prostitution, Christine DiNicola and Claudia Mullen, they in 1995 received apologies for their radiation experiments from President Clinton and they spoke about being prostituted and uh... used with hidden cameras for entrapment techniques and do you know this is when they were sort of nine years old basically this is what she said to it cody moly was sent to place could be creek cabins which was nine to learn how to sexually please men

36:15 So, you know. Yeah exactly and this is all on record and this is admitted and she named people like Sydney Gottlieb and Morse Allen and Ewan Cameron who are all not only MKUltra doctors, MKUltra being the umbrella term for the CIA's mind control program but also incredibly well thought of people within the sort of psychological industry anyway these were like It's kind of like the equivalent of Dr. Phil doing it or something like that basically and there were eminent, eminent professionals within their field and maybe this is perhaps sort of why they got away with this but I mean it's not… And this is where he starts to try again with

36:59 the organized crime. In England, the famous gangsters were called the Kray Twins and basically their downfall came when it was exposed that they were running rentboys through the houses of lords particularly with Lord Boothby Now later allegations or suggestions have come out that certain DJs were like the Mafia Paola scam indebted to the firm which was the Krays gangster organization And they were Alan Freeman and Jimmy Savile. Whether this is true or not, certain other people have been suggested like pop stars and such were suggested to be friends with them what's certainly true is that all the carry-on... do you get the carry on films in America? Like Barbara Windsor and Sid James and all that They were all friends with The Krays and Ronnie Knight and all these gangsters and stuff like that because they were the in crowd of London society Yeah I mean it's very very basic

37:55 I wanted to hop back to the subject of the cover story because most recently Paul Walker just died in a car accident from The Fast and Furious movies, and a friend brought this idea of the Google bomb which is kind of weird. It's the idea of managing search terms because Fast and the Furious was a scandal, US government scandal of them running guns to Mexico and selling them. So now when people search Fast & The Furious they're going to see more about Paul Walker's death and it covers up... That's a good point. But the timing is a little weird I feel like that story was six months ago no one even cares about it now but um it is weird

38:33 Well, I mean this is what happens. I've had a lot of emails from people saying that Paul Walker was definitely killed by the Illuminati because X Y and Z and stuff like that and i've not seen anything that has led me to believe it was anything more than an accident. I mean there's certain interesting things who might be wrong but there's a danger with certain things where people have an idea the evidence around their idea. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, of course and fair enough people at least are doing something but sometimes you need to just take stock and critique your own work basically like going you know what i was wrong about that but hey ho to err is human so these things happen basically um... I mean just it's tied back to the point that was making about you send cover stories in and uh...

39:20 I mean, it's admitted that there is a not only the care homes were being utilized by people such as Cyril Smith. The disgraced MP who was also along with Jimmy Savile been connected to quasi satanic rituals and such like that in the you know, once this was happening but various People have actually admitted publicly, Edwina Currie admitted in her diaries that Peter Morrison who was an aide to Margaret Thatcher the Prime Minister was an avid and noted pederast. And that she was worried if this came out it would be damaging. She wasn't worried if he's a pederast but she just you know...

40:00 Yeah, I mean like other people that Peter Morrison was connected to Elm House. Elm House is a boarding house that was advertised through conservative magazines and it was a brothel and it was very clear from this ad there's like sort of sauna place and stuff like that so you know they didn't take much working out to figure out perhaps There's something dodgy going off at this place. But various people have been connected to this place like Peter Morrison, Cyril Smith and Anthony Blunt who is the cousin of the Queen. I think it might be related to James Blunt, the pop star but I could be completely wrong about that so don't Don't take that as as fact and then there's a pop star an English pop star. That's taken out super injunction So he can't really speak about him, but he's kind of like a crap virginal Christian version of Elvis

40:48 So people might be able to work out who that is, but they've taken a super injunction. That particular pop star again it is alleged used to be a rent boy for the Krates whether this is true or not I do not know but certainly isn't interesting point if it has any water. Two people that basically admitted it was Max Clifford, I don't know whether you guys know Max Clifford he's like a media mogul. He's big in England he's one of these people that keeps stories out the paper and then controls... A Rupert Murdoch

41:24 No, no. He's more of a... he doesn't own the papers he's just a facilitator. No, no, no! He works like a troubleshooter. He is the person that will make or break your careers. He is the person who made Simon Cowell into huge entity by putting positive stories in newspaper and ensuring negative stories about his private life never making stuff like the fact that he paid fifty thousand pounds towards the uh... bail of noted pedophile jonathan king things like that that's the sort of thing but max clifford tries to keep out of here uh... out if they have papers about some account one of the things that you try to keep our papers but was secretly recorded which he was doing damage control for an mp called allen alan clock and in this interview he admitted that to these girls and clock it had a fair with were fourteen

42:14 At the time, but he said it was alright because the girls liked it and the parents like publicity and wife like publicity because obviously Alan Clark's marriage is in open relationship so its all just hype they love it. It sells his book gets him on that newspaper stuff like that but he admitted that he covered up um... Pedophilia pedophilic activities and abusive essentially children whether this was you know granted by the parents or not that's not the point really is it another person to admit on a radio interview i believe with the former mayor of london ken livingston. And he admitted that basically like in the, like what I believe is happening in the Rexham and Brynn Allen and Elm House cases. That Kinkora Boys Home was being used as a brothel in very similar circumstances

43:04 to principally to entrap members of the IRA or members of Irish Parliament that was sympathetic to the IRA but it didn't work. But again he admitted that this was going on and this was a practice of the intelligence agencies and you know, This is all on record if people want us sort of To look it up but that kind of ties in with the stories that I'm sure like your listeners are familiar with McMartin preschool and the Presidio trial, Johnny Gosch and Paul Benassi and the Franklin Savings and Loans scandal in the Boys Town. This seems to be running themes of children's homes supposedly charitable entities or organizations

43:52 For whatever reason, a certain element of society, the elite and certain celebrities. I mean in that Nebraska case the famous Franklin Savings and Own scandal which led to the admission that Paul Benassi had 114 separate personalities programmed into his head by Lawrence King In open court and that he had been part of an MK ultra program that involves satanic ritual And that he had been used as a lure to basically go and get children off on their own round the corner so that CIA kidnappers could put them in the back of a van Yeah, I mean this is all in the court cases and stuff like that. This was all exposed and one of the people he said that he kidnapped was Johnny Goss who might not be hugely familiar with people but he was a famous paperboy that went missing in America and then later turned up on

44:49 on uh... russian people websites with uh... suspicious branded mark on his arm with with all this children have been identified and paul benassi claimed that he was the person to kidnap sim allegedly at the behest of a gentle could michael keno who was uh... at the time the highest-ranking military officer in the nsa and the leader of the temple set which is an offshoot from them Church of Satan, he alleged that this gentleman had ordered this kidnapping for whatever purpose. It's interesting because there was another alleged scandal about Michael Aquino supposedly being involved in the abuse of certain children at the Presidio. They had daycare centers and it's a very

45:33 Yeah, the famous case of Mr. Gary was the name of the teacher that basically got caught but they did talk about all the people who were involved and it seemed to be a lot of it with all these cases like McMartin and Presidio, the initial response is that children are lying the children of clamydia so you know these are these a five-year i don't know that america's a little bit off the aggressive than england but i don't think that did that's a common occurrence for june to have chlamydia and then what happens particularly with the uh... martin preschool case is you get l and people like the false memory syndrome foundation coming in and saying these kids are making up all their at the they're being programmed by there

46:20 And then you look at it and you find that Pamela Freyde and her husband who run the False Memory Foundation Syndrome were accused of abusing their daughter many, many times. Martin Orne who's one of the chief hypnotists there was one of the people that was doing hypno-programming on MKUltra. Ralph Underwager basically was a very prominent member of it until he started doing interviews in Piedica which is a Dutch pedophile magazine saying that basically, he said various things including children enjoy sex with adults and that rape is a positive experience for 90% of women or most women.

47:06 Even books come out like the victimization of these poor parents accused of this stuff and nothing went off, the satanic panic and all this stuff. One of the famous books is by Paul and Shirley Urberley and it was discussing a Martin preschool case. It transpires that they used to run a magazine called Fist which distributed child pornography and incest-related pornography pictures and stories. And so you think maybe, just maybe these people have got a vested interest or perhaps need investigating a bit more.

47:42 Yeah, you know it comes up time and time again the finders was another very famous case where a load of children were being transported across the border for To be taken to a school for special kids or gifted kids or whatever And he transpired that was a child sex pornography ring kidnapping ring and this was closed down when basically was discovered This was a CIA internal affair. I'm so it was a CIA ran program and And again, these themes go again and again. One that you might not have heard of is a gentleman called Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein basically used to be very powerful businessman mogul and friend of the royal family. He's good friends in business partner with Prince Andrew. And he was exposed...he has been exposed paying for sex with children many times but basically had a girl called Virginia Roberts who was his personal masseuse

48:33 She was enlisted by Gislaine Maxwell, who's Robert Maxwell. He was the media mogul that died in very suspicious circumstances. She is his daughter and through Rockefeller ran golf clubs she was a personal masseuse. They drugged her up to the nines obviously and pimped around when she was about 14 and you know seen in photos with Prince Andrew. It has not been suggested that she slept with Prince Andrew or anything like that but Again, these connections are very unsavory. Right. Well man you know even child celebrities they say a lot of them are supposedly used as sex slaves among politicians and producers and this you know skeptical people have said to me well if people really using Miley Cyrus is the child prostitute they wouldn't put her into the spotlight like that they would hide it from public eye bit but I think... James Dean and Marilyn Monroe

49:25 The majority of his early career being a rent boy and Marilyn Monroe famously said that she spent more time on her knees than she did acting. Yeah, I mean if you make someone a mega celebrity you actually restrict access to them they get added security managers publicists and i think that...I mean just think how many obstacles you'd have to go past to reach someone like Miley Cyrus versus the regular person who claims to be a victim of this, ya know? And again you see the same sort of gag it does sound very very strange when you look at I've got a quote here that I'd just like to say. Charles Brown of the CIA when talking to Dr L Wilson Green said that children were used as subjects because they were more fun to work with and cheaper too, and then people like you and Cameron and

50:09 Hypnotist like Martin Orn and stuff like that were saying the children obviously dissociated easier And so you can they were used in dozens of does experiments, and you know this is all proven and Monarch was a real program and I'm shaking actually approached The only the only truth. They're the only thing we know about it well these two things Ted Gunnarsson claims that he's now called Monarch. That's all I know, or claimed when I spoke to him and he said that. And Anton Shatkin approached William Colby at a press conference who said what's happening with Monarch? And William Colby says we don't do that anymore. We shut down in the early 70s

50:50 Hmm. Yeah, it just admitted that it existed at one point Yes exactly so you know is very strange but then look at a lot of artists You know you get the same sort of meltdown again and again Amanda Bynes has recently basically doing her Britney Spears hasn't she? You know shaved ahead She wasn't the first person to do it Margot Kidder did it years ago Lois Lane shaved ahead and pulled all her teeth out to stop the aliens from getting her Yeah, yeah. She came on and- Well, the John Hinckley thing. She was the reason that John Hinckley apparently tried to kill the president which I don't believe and then she had a sort of tumultuous private life. She got a lot of flack for basically being a lesbian so it's certainly worth a look at to see perhaps whether she was mucked about with... The famous ones are Corey Feldman and Corey Haim

51:59 So, Corey Feldman apparently he did or he is writing a book that it contains some of that information about pedophilia as a young age. He doesn't name any names but it sort of implies his mother Knew that it was happening, but knew they would be beneficial for his career But he also says that Michael Jackson Was not in his opinion a pedophile and he was one of the people that treated him very very well He looks like a Michael Jackson seems like one of those textbook cases of perpetuating The cycle where people who are victims as children become abusers as adults if that's what it looks like to me Oh yes I mean. I don't think there's any doubt that Michael Jackson was certainly abused by going to Sunni vice father I mean whether you sexually abused there are stories that Tito and Dan

52:41 Germaine have told of him being taken off and spending nights in motels with well-dressed White businessman and coming back. I mean ill for days afterwards Jesus This is kind of a off topic, but have you seen Sasha Baron Cohen's movie Bruno? Hmm There's a skit he does that's pretty telling where he pretends to be trying to hire babies to play parts in movies and commercials And the interviews the parents any ask them questions like is your baby comfortable with high speeds and rapid acceleration or yeah we're gonna need to cover your baby with bees for the shot is that ok and all the parents are like yeah no problem because they said desperately want to their kids in a movie exactly i mean but this is the sort of uh... the cognitive dissonance two people say people go yet courses hollywood mothers of course these mothers still push kids into there

53:26 beauty pageants and give them surgery when they're very young, all these sorts of things. People can accept that but they don't seem to take it to the next level so you want to be Miss Alabama? You might have to sleep with a fat cowboy! You want to be Miley Cyrus? Well let's up that scale shall we?" And so you start to see where perhaps these things could be normalized and therefore used by people. I mean, this is the thing it's not certain that all these things but again you said that all these people were utilized in satanic ritual or mind control or anything like that but there is certainly the symbolism there and this symbolism that you wouldn't know was there. There was an element of

54:16 Artists don't always get to say what's going in their videos. 2 Chainz came out recently and says, look everyone thinks I'm in the Illuminati because there are these two statues behind me. I didn't put those statues there! I was told to stand infront of those statutes and dance. So it is that element And then there's what I call the ASAP Rocky version where he does a video inside a Krowleyan magic circle And so everyone goes, ìOh, A$AP Rockyís in the Illuminati!î and everyone goes and looks at the video. Now there's a reason for that. So those artists I think sometimes it's utilised because people are becoming aware of it and it will draw attention to the artists and marketing campaign.

54:59 Once it's got a billion hits or whatever, you don't want to be the one person that has not seen it. And this is the strange thing about the human psyche – this is why polls come out before elections saying Obama was definitely going to win because people then go I saw these polls that said Obama was definitely going to win. Sorry what? Obama was definitely going to win and before you know it, that has become the truism that he has talked about. So floating voters might be persuaded not to go or other people might be persuaded the winner as opposed to aligning themselves with a pointless loss. Or I would say the whole voting thing is rigged anyway and they put it in your head beforehand who's going to win, and then that person wins regardless of what any votes were, and then it's just like oh well that was the way it was going! They give you two places — you've got the choice meat or fish

55:48 Like, well that's not a choice. I don't want either of those." Well tough! Then you don't get to say... then your an apathetic voter then your like, oh dear, you're the worst person if you don't vote it's like, do you wanna get kicked to death? Do you wanna get stabbed to death? Oh i dont want either of them. Well if you dont vote you've only got yourself to blame It's ridiculous and ill use this example again And its not to be taken seriously two guys and girl voting on who takes their clothes off That's democracy Right It is! But basically, you know. Not to say that it abandoned the system or anything like that but just be aware that basically you're being sold a pig and a poke

56:28 It's the false choice. It is the illusion of choice to quote George Carlin, you've got two political parties and like 37 types of ice cream. So… Yeah, Carlin was great. But that concept of this popularity thing – this is why people like Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber have had millions and millions of views taken off their YouTube accounts or Facebook accounts. This is why people buy Twitter followers because people want to be aligned with winners Like, that's why gossip and social media and celebrity is so successful because if you think of it in an instinctual way they're the alpha male. They're on their big rock. Do you know what I mean? Look at them right on the high rock we know what they are doing. And you constantly told that they are doing very well because as we talked about earlier you've got this completely false image of their lifestyle

57:26 and But I'd like it because they obviously seem so much happier and i'm told that's how to improve my lot. Follow the leader! Yeah exactly, what is he basically like? To simplify back down It's the concept if I've got Michael Jordan shoes maybe I might be able to get a bit of an edge And play basketball like Michael Jordan. I appreciate that Michael Jordan is very very old LeBron James Like you know If I get his shoes Maybe I can play a bit

58:09 him. The idea is if I can be a bit like that person, then I can be a bit like that person and the more unlike that person, the more I can improve my life and this isn't just nonsense like in laboratory experiments chimpanzees will sometimes basically almost starve themselves to death Because rather than food, they'd rather have a photograph of the alpha male of their tribe and they'll sit and stare at it intently because that's social information. If they've got a key – he looks very young because he has got a fountain of youth in his back garden. Oh bugger! Well if I know how to get to that fountain of youth by studying his actions or movements… Again it's a very glib example but that's the point

58:55 How come has this guy got all these girls? Maybe it's something to do with his watch. If I bought a watch like that, girls would be impressed." Is that fedora? I gotta get a fedora! Exactly and then it sort of spins on from that so girls are impressed by that and then girls are told that that is the sign of a successful person look for someone with that particular watch And you start to fall into roles and you start to express yourself as an idea Rather than them being you because you don't want to be you because it's been proved time and time again that your not really successful in this world so what do you wanna do is you wanna. Be the better you tell me an example of that facebook cuz every single person on there like facebook is akin to gambling slightly social information i'm just happy people get addicted to facebook type your status or whatever

59:46 That's like a gamble you might get positive response or negative response you might get no response it knows what's gonna put me out that's the worst. Yeah exactly so you put something else up and not sort of informs you that you doing well in this like putting something down liking something is akin to do, how outrageous you do it's like putting down big stakes for example. It's finding your place in the social pyramid by measuring likes and shares I'll tell you this right nobody tells exactly and i've had loads of people say yes, I do no you don't! You can't Explain and express the wonderful, beauteous complicated nature of you in a few Facebook statuses. You can give the edited highlights like match of the day or whatever that's not always a realistic representation of what is going on What does that tell you psychologically? It tells you this slimmed down new improved version of you on social media is better than you Yeah more popular, the more popular version

1:00:44 Oh wow, that's an interesting element. You should try and become more like that person! And then...that's terrifying. Be more shallow? Yeah! And that's tied into everyone on their smartphones all the time, it was on their iPhones just like that you know people are walking around like zombies because It takes the edge off. It's like when people are in war situation, journalists find themselves looking very intently through their viewfinder because that separation of a screen makes it feel like you're not quite there. This is why it's easy to be horrible or to troll people or to be flirtatious when you're online because it's not real but this is why when you've been chatting with someone online for six months and then you go and finally meet them, you still have that awkwardness of the first human contact because it doesn't alleviate that

1:01:30 But basically because you're doing that through your smartphone and stuff like that, you're on Facebook and all these different sites yearning for the acceptance of some people who are your friends but some people who are basically morons to be quite honest. Because like the popularist view is usually wrong! And then there's another thing phones have been marketed in such a way particularly iPhones... There was a Harvard study done very well a few years ago now People react to phones in the same way that they are react to loved ones it's not this dope amino serotonin is not a pleasure response like drugs people starting to love their phones because their phone is the access so all this stuff that makes you feel real. In inverted commas person which is terrifying

1:02:16 Like in experiments they were showing basically this flashing upper or doing the iPhone's ringtone and when people hear that, they react in the same synaptic way that they would if they saw their boyfriend or girlfriend. Jesus Christ. Yeah, man it's terrifying like absolutely terrifying and but you know this is very clever marketing campaigns from very understanding of the human psyche And yeah I mean It's messed up yes earlier you had mentioned Carlin and it Jolted in my memory Cat Williams. You know I was a big fan of his what happened to cat Williams He had a pretty public blowout yeah, I mean it's very strange that because

1:02:58 I'm too big fan of Kat Williams. She did the erm, the bit... I can never remember what she was! I can't remember if it's American Hustler or Pimpin' is Pimpin', or... I think it's Pimpin' Pimpin', where he's doing the bit about two dudes kissing, and stuff. And saying he was at the parties and bits and bobs like that. He's done a lot since then. The last one I think... he did Catapelics? I think that was this year but i could be wrong. And he was very spiritual. It was basically uh..it was very very funny but he seemed to be on sort of like a religious tip but it was good. He was very positive and such like that, but then he's had a lot of ups and downs in court cases and announced his retirement foolishly. He got shook. He was hanging out with Suge Knight! That's a mistake. Just like what we were talking about earlier basically death row

1:03:52 We're talking about this setting of trends. Death Row was financed indirectly by the CIA through a bloke called Michael Harris and freeway Ricky Ross who was getting money directly, who were getting cocaine directly from the Medellin and the Nicaraguan cartels that were being basically financed by Iran-Iraq Contra to promote crack cocaine through South Central. Obviously you know about the crack explosion in the 80s which was suspiciously in black dominated areas and then it was all these, if you go back and watch the news reports on crack every single one of them is an advertisement this new incredibly potent but cheap

1:04:31 Cheap but incredibly potent really powerful drug that's coming out at the minute and you know what we're getting a minute And sorry to digress breaking bad. I'm a huge fan of breaking bad, but he love it does not Show you what meth is like they smoke like this smoke might like people smoke weed That's no yeah What happens with meth like meth Europe for days and days and days? Right, so I'm very curious about that because Breaking Bad is an incredibly good show but its portrayal of methamphetamine use which is what the program is about it's completely erroneous. Sorry to go back to crack cocaine

1:05:08 This also tied in, I'm not sure how old you are but at the time Scarface came out which offered a kingpin lifestyle. You had the Mac and various other programs like Superfly and that there was sort of very, very sort of centralized. But this was a mainstream film that had a non-black king, non white Kingpin Robin Hood type hero that could be a you know this is a way to get out the ghetto and stuff like that. This is tying with Death Row publicized heavily by Vibe magazine Quincy Jones obviously you may have heard the rumors about Quincy Jones whether these are true or not I don't know essentially

1:05:48 in the bullae and trying to have sex with Tupac. Whether this is true or not, I'm not sure. Tupac interestingly made certain claims that Dr Dre was gay when he had a falling out with him whether that was just his way of having you dig at him or whether that was true we don't know but Vibe Man's... That's what the Cat Williams joke was all about! Exactly yeah so you know it's the same themes again and again and again At what point does it become a pattern? But Vibe magazine was also financed or had finance streams from the CIA. The point of Death Row, it took away from positive elements like say public enemy. Griff talks about this, Professor Griff talks about this a lot but basically seemed to sort of offer a new paradigm if you like. This is what rap's about. It's khakis black t-shirts gangsta rap lowriders guns and so it's

1:06:42 It's selling this image to young black men saying, actually no this isn't a bad idea. But it's also demonizing them because every white person from middle America or England or wherever goes oh my god! This is what all black people are like well it must be because you know that's all that we see on the news and then Snoop Doggy Dogg comes over to England and gets banned and this just confirms it for us And so basically you're giving this stereotype which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. I mean, the concept of look you're going to treat me like an animal and i'm gonna start behaving like an animal and see how you like that! And so this is the problem...and then basically that keeps going and going and going to the point where racism is so endemic

1:07:26 that young black people in a certain part of america cannot get jobs, cannot walk down the street without being harassed by the police. But you're not getting songs like fuck the police anymore talking about police brutality or sound police. You're getting drive-by anthems and stuff like that which is a very very subtle change because people say NWA were gangster rap and it would be idiot to say they didn't have gangsta elements but They were more storytelling and talking about social realism and they combined that with an ethos of public sensibility, police brutality and social commentary. They weren't public enemy – no! They weren't public enemy would take it to the next level but they're obviously the best at that

1:08:11 But it was that sort of, you know... People don't seem to realize that there was a very overt change to being very, very gangster. I mean now NWA did the song Gangsta Gangster Boogie Down for Actually Criminal Minded and I'm aware of these songs but the sort of rap became gangsta rap and that's all it was at a certain point in the 90s basically And bringing with it all the problems that came out of it and again sort of hyping up the gang tensions and situations which by the way Tupac actually managed to stop for a short time with his thug life um, and his connections to The Black Panthers he managed to get a ceasefire in South Central Los Angeles between the Bloods and the Crips which Suge Knight reignited the night of his death but I mean that's the other thing. That corruption of the youth with the creation

1:09:06 It's the gangs. For little white kids and stuff like that, your gang is good Charlotte, Lady Gaga or whatever the crap. When you're in a certain demographic unfortunately sometimes the only family structure and family unit that you have is the gang life Crips and bloods and such like that. And aside from the sort of, if you look at all those things like this is a certain amount of satanic imagery in all of their symbolism, but what's interesting is they were formed as sort of offshoots of the then criminalized Black Panther Party to protect black youth from skinhead gangs that were running around California beating the shit out of people. And then there were corrupted by the introduction of drugs

1:09:54 Now, is this just a perfect storm or is this some sort of planned social maneuver? Well I know where I'm putting my hat. I'm going to put it in planned social maneuver because it seems that Liza was saying once he's found out twice as correlation but we're getting all these the same instances again and again and again controlling huge swathes of the population directing your attention to essentially stuff that's not really important Yeah, it is definitely messed up and well orchestrated. One other element about Hollywood that I wanted to ask you about is have you looked into this theory of the $20 million club where its been suggested that to reach a net worth of 20 million and receive a special position within the Hollywood hierarchy one must perform a blood sacrifice? People talk about Kanye and his mother who died suspiciously things like that yeah...I mean thing

1:10:51 Yeah, I mean again who knows with that particular one. There seems to be some sort of correlation with people that would go to that very top echelon and lose somebody and you can go down the list and there's a lot of them. Difficult say again. What's coincidence and what's the pattern? Absolutely. There is nothing that would be called hardcore court evidence, that I've seen, that suggests... But it does happen time and time again. Certainly Kanye West was very strange. Jennifer Hudson's family has died in very bizarre ritualistic killings and such like

1:11:36 And yeah, people die. Yeah it's certainly... I think Ashton Kutcher has an ex who was apparently killed by a serial killer that's a little odd Oh really? Well this is the thing you dig and you find out that there are lot of people who have got to that level have. There are obviously these lists on On the internet some of them are more tenuous than others And I'm sure you could find some people that got to the top. They're basically, I don't know whether they've died and then there's some people that basically You know this is a dr. Dre his kid was sacrificed but that was when he was already successful People would say John Travolta's kid was sacrificed Not yeah again But yeah He was already successful at that point So who knows?

1:12:25 Again, it very much depends on what you believe and a lot of people might find it quite hard to believe because what we're talking about is for want of better words satanic ritual. Another one that's a little strange is, you know Mike Tyson had already had huge success but then just a few years ago his kid died while running on a treadmill who accidentally hung himself on a treadmill or his daughter and all of the sudden now he's in The Hangover. Now he's getting a roast on Comedy Central He's back in the spotlight as a parody but yet You know he IS back in the spotlight and it-you could

1:13:00 You could look at the timeline and maybe he did. Maybe he did, maybe people just went damn, you've had a bit of a hard time. I used to be my friend and I'm going to help him out again but this is the point. Can I can see what people mean with that? I don't know. I don't know whether that's true But it certainly is very suspicious the amounts of people that seem to have someone particularly close to them died just at the point that they You know peak recent critical success, but yeah It is hard to discern you know sometimes it's on the downswing it is it is a really weird phenomenon

1:13:46 Phenomenon, I mean some people were suggesting that Mary Kate Olsen for example her sacrifice was he ledger. I'm like well Mary Kate Olson What the hell is she doing now? She's not doing shit yeah, you know yeah, but You don't know. Again, this is where you need to be careful about speculation and like I said coming to something with a premise because we have the premise that Mary-Kate Olsen, that Heath Ledger was Mary-Kate Olsen's sacrifice. We could probably in the next five minutes think of about five reasons why that was plausible like for example she has not done brilliantly well but she hasn't gone off the rails so was her saying that? That doesn't mean bullshit!

1:14:25 But this is the point when you come to something with a supposition, you start with it as a supposition. So it's difficult but I wouldn't tell people to stop looking at it because only so many times this can happen before people go hang on. Right but you don't want to get that confirmation bias either No, no. I mean you know Marlon Brando, Bill Cosby all these people have had people die in their lives but again they were very famous when this actually happened doesn't discount that possibility but who knows? Who knows to be honest. It's apparent that certain things do go on and this is what was going to say the people find it difficult the concept of satanic ritual

1:15:08 And it doesn't matter if you believe that there's a lot of evidence that this happened. Martin Priest called trial Presidio trial Linda Goldstone was a very eminent journalist and she found the Presidio in the places where the children said they were being abused, they were designated satanic murals and altars and satanic architecture and all this essentially was a satanic church or whatever is the equivalent on the grounds of the Presidio. So there are certain people that say the OTO is a real organization, that Temple of Seth and Church Satan these are real organizations how seriously they take it or whatever is debatable but again and again you get reports with Cyril Smith who's reports of quasi-Satanic ritual with Jimmy Savile

1:15:57 there was reports of quasi-satanic rituals, saying quasi because you know Satanism is I'm very sure it's just like any other religion. There are various denominations and there are various different things that certain people believe and it...I'm just using satanism as a cover all term yeah but again you get all these these sort Yeah, it happens again and again. When the satanic panic happened, the Jeffrey MacDonald case actually holds a lot of water. The satanic panic that happened in Nottingham actually holds a lot of water by mysterious and bizarre coincidence I happen to know one of the families that fostered one of the girls who was the key witness in what in the case then they said they basically confirmed everything she said, satanic ritual abused

1:16:43 to Now, I'm not sure if this is true but it's certainly what was told. Although the case was thrown out of court she got a flat and some money afterwards Hmm, don't know if that's true. But again this is what I was just hoping if it is true It certainly you know yeah makes you think man makes me so skeptical the whole damn thing You know sometimes you see a new director who hits the scene or a new musician who appears to top the charts overnight like This Malcolm Moore guy and now I think I look at him. I mean man I like that I liked that thrift shop song but you probably had to fuck a few kids or bleed someone out on an altar To get that kind of radio play well

1:17:41 Again, the thing with McNemore is he's done it in through an independent setup. I'm not entirely sure that I believe that because its downloadable and basically the outlay money has gone but people don't...the promotion you would need this concept of of viral marketing and stuff like that. Do you know how much money that costs? Justin Bieber was not a viral overnight sensation, Gangnam Style was not a viral overnight sensation they were the work of Scooter Braun who is an expert in his field at creating viral marketing. Same with uh well people talk about the Coney film... That being all propaganda as well. Oh yeah absolutely!

1:18:22 Pussy Riot, that just so happened to be financed by the American Department of Defense. I forget one element of American military finance their one and only single because they're not a real band there are public really yeah they've not got any music how How are they a punk band? About as punk rock as Darcy Bustle. Honestly, man... They're not a punk rock. Leftover Cracker are a punk band. Morning Glory are a punk band! All I know about the pussy riot thing is just that Putin locked him up and it makes me feel like Russia's some crazy scary place, you know? But i guess... Well, I wonder about this because there's a lot of whether it is that just Russia under sort of the anti-homosexuality bill and such like that. Russia is positioning itself

1:19:13 Whether this is Western propaganda, I don't know. But it's certainly being portrayed more and more that Russia is not a very tolerant place to live. Whether this is true or not, I don't know because I've never been there. I can only go off the sort of reports. What's slightly interesting is that the news channel that has given the most credence is Russia Today Yeah, that is a weird thing. I totally agree with that! Uh...I see a lot of stuff on Russia today that i really like and it seems so...it's like got a liberal side It seems very truth-oriented but then you hear these stories of what's going on? It seems very backwards. I don't know. It almost sounds like North Korea sometimes Well this is the point but I don't buy that. I do not really buy the fact that Russia is

1:20:00 uh... the good guys in this regard because basically you mean diversion revolution was financed by british military intelligence like the frankfurt school which is what people get a concept is erroneous concepts of cultural marxism was financed by the terrorist organization and british intelligence and then went over to uh... american at columbia university insist like that just the cold war we know to be a fallacy like they'd be phrase called wars been attributed to uh... Walter Lippmann, who qualified... you know because you need a quantitative term so that people can understand what's going on. We can't just have big scary nuclear threat because people go oh well explain it to me no no no what we've got is a cold war A what? A COLD WAR! Be scared like you know like we've got a war on terror we've got a war on drugs with Al-Qaeda You need labels and names So that people could understand it

1:20:52 This is why people get so bent out of shape when cross genre new music comes in. It's like, what the... this is bullshit! This has got elements of stuff I like but oh my god, I can't go with it People like to be categorised sometimes because it offers a psychological security Like, I'll give you an example A film comes on, I'm sat here bored. Bored out my mind! I've got Chinatown over there and looking at it right now it's on DVD by that notable pedophile Remy Polanski But I can't, and i don't want to watch Chinatown. I just-I don't wanna watch Chinatown but then it comes on the television and I go oh yeah! I'll watch Chinatown brilliant It's a great film I'll watch Chinatown why is that? And everybody does that You've got a film you could watch at any time but you dont wanna bother but then when its on the television you sit there happily watching it Why is that? And with commercials too Yeah, you know why? Its because he has taken responsibility away from me

1:21:50 And those alpha waves? Well, aside from that is it yeah the television and the eye fixation is actually not people sometimes get confused they think that alpha waves are emitting from the television what it is used to be to do with flicker rate. Not sure if that happens anymore because of you know plasma and such like that what it is its eye fixation You know just to again glib but Look at my swinging watch you're feeling sleepy very sleepy very sleepy. That's called an eye fixation now that's You don't use a watch you just use your finger, but technically all we need to do is put someone in trance Just look it's if I think they keep looking this with one finger and then you do a certain thing and they fall into a trance because hypnosis is just

1:22:34 Again, it's not like a Vulcan mind meld. All you're doing really with hypnosis in the initial stages until you get into real nasty traumatizing effects and splitting personalities and stuff like that... all we're doing is distracting the conscious mind so that there's no critical analysis so basically speaking directly to subconscious or autopilot and this is why basically you go drive along and you'll be like, oh what am I going to have for dinner tonight? Oh Christ! I was supposed to turn left there. Or alternatively you realize, oh God I was supposed to go to work and instead of driven to my bloody mother's what's gone on that's because he weren't concentrating but your autopilot took over

1:23:13 Do you know what I mean? And so it's only when distracted or in danger that your conscious mind comes back into play. You can still cope and go, like that's despite being called hypnosis, which hypnosis is the god of sleep is not the same as sleep. It's a different state of mind And that's all it is, but the interesting thing about that is with this eye fixation very soon takes about four seconds for your critical analysis to bypass. This is how advertisers are so successful because basically they don't need to win an argument with you if they can present an image and align it to something that you perceive as positive they've got you because you've go no defense mechanism to argue So thats how advertising works

1:23:57 It's fucked up man. I mean does anything real happen anymore? Even major political scandals that seemed real are scripted from the beginning Oh of course they are! Frost died recently, Sir David Frost Everyone is like oh yeah David Frost he was the guy who got Nixon to admit that he was wrong Bullshit Scripted Yes entirely scripted If you believe Alex Constantine research which i do The whole point of the Watergate scandal Right this a thing Nigella Lawson's doing it at the minute. She has been accused in court, like it is not part of the case but she has been accused of being a massive cocaine addict which she may very well be so her defense and this is called The Celebrity Defense I don't know if its called that probably a real name for it but this what I call it when you're accused to something terrible you go in there and admit to something no quite so terrible

1:24:49 What's happened with every single celebrity involved in the inquiries surrounding child sex in the 70s that is going on at the minute, so every single one of them has come forward and said no I'm not a pedophile. I am a drug addict or I am cheating on my wife with adults or I am an alcoholic. So yeah I'm a bit of a bastard but I'm not that much of a bastard. And what's really really bizarre is people feel sorry for you because they feel he's had the humility to admit his faults but that doesn't make him a monster That's the same defense that you'll see time and time again. Ian Watkins was going to do that, saying basically I'm not a pedophile, I am a crystal meth addict. That was his defense. I've had girlfriends pull that shit on me in college and high school – well we kissed but didn't fuck! Yeah yeah exactly it is very similar scenario but these are methods of manipulating public

1:25:44 public opinion. And again, you know this is where people like Max Clifford who we spoke about right at the beginning of the show he's protecting pedophiles like Alan Clark and he's actually currently being investigated for various sex offenses though We don't know what they are I don't think he'll get caught. I think this is the other thing with all these celebrities aside from Ian Watkins which just so sensational that there was just no way that he couldn't get caught and Jimmy Savicus is dead. I think the majority of them will basically get away with it essentially or be found in court that there's not enough evidence or something like that doesn't mean that they are innocent but again, I strongly believe that a lot of these

1:26:23 Cases that come out particularly in Watkins and such like that. They must be a distraction for something else Mm-hmm, but again this very strange I mean we'll find out more things with the with the Lost Prophet Singh So again don't think anyone should go with the substitute with this supposition that entertainment industry Successful in the entertainment industry child sex well it must be the Illuminati because he's not necessarily so but you know It's a very, very bizarre case. Again, it is is. Is it more testament to what like you're saying earlier did like the Bruno thing that the cult of celebrity? And how seemingly horrific things can be normalized even on a microcosmical level Like with that where he's managed persuade I mean obviously there's been dozens but like So far we know with two women that he's managed persuade to give up their children for sex purely on the basis of their adulation with his

1:27:24 Celebrity hoping that they'll absorb some of his talent. Yeah, I mean but maybe that's how people should look at it is a microcosm for just how stupid you can be! People will buy Nike stuff just because LeBron James or whoever is wearing them and we know those kids aren't that great at sewing shoes Exactly well this is the point there's slave labor But in the same thing with iPhones but people forget that because they want it Right that's what makes it makes me laugh when someone gets on my case about an offensive joke, and I'm like hey. I'm just talking here You know you're actually typing on a device that was made by slave children So you can shut the fuck up about your offense to my joke

1:28:06 Yeah, I mean to be honest if someone's offended tough that that's just it tough Unfortunately like you have the right to be offended and I'll fight to the death for your right to be offended But also fight for your debt for your right to offend me so That's very dangerous. There is another sort of perception management thing where basically certain things are acceptable and certain things are unacceptable, and it is a very tricky sort of thing you know? This is the thing that people misconstrue. They misunderstand political correctness or whatever we're calling this with

1:28:43 or how come then I can say the n-word then? How come you say that's racist and stuff like that?" You can say it, okay. But but it's not polite! It's rude okay?! You can say that if you want but accept that that's fucking rude and so people might respond in such a way that...you can say this c word if you want. I know America is getting offended by this so I shan't say it. Don't say it grand though That's the point, you know what I mean? People misconstrue this. Well you shouldn't say that... There is a difference between not being allowed to have an opinion and just being... Free speech does not give you the right to just be rude and get away with it. Right but sometimes you need extreme words to express extreme things

1:29:25 Sometimes people act cunty and you have to be able to say that's how they're acting. Exactly, absolutely! And there is nothing wrong with that but again like yeah absolutely spot on man Oh man Neil it has been a blast You know your the man That pretty much does is for us I really appreciate you coming on I'm just fascinated with these stories of all these covert, dark Hollywood agendas and all this ritual behavior. But do you want to give the people your website or tell them a little bit about anything you're working on before we call it a day? Yeah, sure. My website is neilsandersmindcontrol.com and I'm also on Facebook even though I've spent a long time decrying it today so if people want to come on there and boost my likes and make me feel good then that'd be great but yeah seriously if you want to go on Facebook I tend to put stuff on there every day just let people

1:30:19 I've also written two books, or the two volumes of the same book really, Your Thoughts Not Your Own. Mind Control Mass Manipulation and Perception Management which is volume one and that deals with like nuts and bolts at the Tavistock Institute and the beginnings of MK Ultra and all the doctors involved in techniques It moves on then to psychotronics, Manchurian candidates, admitted monarch slaves, the uses of children and then it winds up talking about serial killers because a lot of serial killers tend to have connections to military industrial complex or directly to mind control programs.

1:30:58 And then the second volume is called Marketing Movies and Music, and it talks about those industries basically. How they utilize for social control how advertising works now music can be used in color and sound. the various industries, the music industry. It touches on a bit of what we've talked about today and the film industry, the television industry, the media industry and newsprint industries and things like that. Lots of little snippets like this CIA owns more publishing houses. It owns 40 times more publishing house or publishes 40 times more publications than the next largest publishing house in America so when you go to the new stand

1:31:39 Just think where who's actually behind all of those magazines. And they're available from our website, they're also available from David Icke Books and they are also available from richplanet.net which is an excellent website it has got a monthly webshow on there people should check it out. If anyone has any questions or anything like that feel free to email me or anything like that! Thanks very much Greg for having me on. Fascinating stuff man yeah thanks again Neil keep fighting the good fight Cheers Wow people, there we have it. Neil Sanders full of info I really liked that one So with that enjoy the holidays Please remember the THC Money Bomb We're going every five episodes now so 85 90 95 Next one will be on 90 and also please remember The THC Stitcher Awards up until the day that it matters Here's a little Christmas song by Jonathan Colton from the not too distant future Your move Suge Knight This year has been a little crazy

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