THC 80: Jim Elvidge | The Programmed Universe & Simulation Theory

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are the Higher Side Chats. Welcome to the show, higher side chatters! I'm Greg Carlwood from sunny San Diego drinking a little drink smoking a ton of smoke just a quick update on the THC money bomb before we get going as you've heard i'm giving away half the donations I get by episode 85 to one of you guys and so far this is turning out great

00:50 We're still chugging along, we've added about another $40 in donations this week which puts another 20 in the listener prize pool. Donations definitely slowed up a little bit this week but...we're at about 300 dollars which means that I'm going to be giving away at least 150 and I feel pretty good about that And we're not done yet so keep donating, keep contributing to that prize pool and somebody's gonna be very happy as well as myself! We're still collecting for the next few weeks and I'll have a winner on episode 85 So if you want all the details just go to TheHigherSideChats.com slash donate and all the info is there including how to be in the running without making a donation if you're unable to do so, and with that said I'm gonna try to motivate you into buying a shirt from me with this conspiratees ad And then we've got your higher education for the week with Rob Davin And then we're going deep into science with our guest Jim Elvidge He's going to make the case that we might just be living in a programmed reality boom

03:15 To get started a bizarre and violent series of events at an Oklahoma City apartment involving a Bible burning Blood and a homosexual demon and destruction has landed a man behind bars Officers were called to an Oklahoma City apartment Wednesday for a reported person going ballistic. I Officer said that a caller mentioned the man whose face was bloody had kicked in a heavy apartment door office hinges poured salt and soap all over himself and was breaking glass another objects. An officer said the man was clearly out of touch with reality,

03:52 The police report states that Anderson said he started the fire in his apartment because he was cooking the Bible, because he was a Satanist. Anderson then told the officers He meant a possessed homosexual demon who wanted drugs from him and performed sexual acts on him. He said he wasn't gay just high. Amen brother I know right When he came to his senses, he couldn't believe that he let the male demon touch him. So yeah you know don't get high and play with gay demons I guess. Yeah that's the moral of that story Wow what else is happening. Well i'm one that's not quite as funny but still disturbing a valley woman who posted a video which she says was yellow water coming from her faucet is now being sued for defamation by the utility company

04:47 Johnson Ranch resident Emily Hughes was in the shock for her life when she turned on her tap and on a recent morning. I came downstairs, and I went to wash the dishes And there was yellow water She says but it if Hughes was surprised by what she described as yellow water coming from her faucet She was even more surprised by what followed after she posted the video online This is my lawsuit that I was served she tells us holding up a stack of lead legal papers. It is a defamation lawsuit seeking $100,000 in damages accusing hughes making disparaging postings with the intent to disparage and harm johnson utilities this is a private utility that delivers water to hughes and other customers in the south east valley

05:39 Yeah, like how do you- I don't understand this one. How can she be charged for posting what was clearly yellow water coming out of her faucet? It's just a sign of the times man that we just corporations are like privileged elites and they the government works for them The legal system works for them it looks more and more ridiculous when we see things like this happen but it's not surprising No no it did you can see it everywhere i mean here in canada we're having the same problems with corporations are just coming and totally. Rating and pillaging everything and there seems to be no recourse in legal system yeah very inspiring times women, no doubt so let's get on the last story of the week probably the most disappointing news this week i was totally i was crushed i broke down and started crying

06:37 An icon associated with paranoia, the tinfoil hat is believed to protect the wearer from invasive radio waves by creating a faraday cage around the skull preventing aliens reptilians and the anunnaki from being able to read your thoughts. However The Atlantic noted in the existence of 2005 massachusetts institute of technology study on the effectiveness of tin foil hats as a faraday cage As a matter of fact, the aluminum helmets actually amplify radio waves in the frequency range currently used by the government for cell phone companies and satellites. The study concluded that the FCC and the government must have propagated the myth of the tinfoil hat in order to make it easier to read thought patterns of those who would wear them

07:29 Could tinfoil hats be themselves part of the grand conspiracy who knows. Man that's like a low tech version of identifying people by going to alex jones forums or something i'm surprised he hasn't started selling tin foil hats Yeah, that's crushing. One other thing I wanted to talk to you about... A big thing that happened this week is the LAX shooter and we've both seen photos of the dummy in a wheelchair at the scene which is suggesting to people this is another staged attack but you've been critical on that viewpoint do you think it appears as time? A random lone gunman

08:14 Yeah i do i mean i've looked into all the latest mass shootings with aurora and sandy hawk in the other ones. And then those ones there's a lot of strange occurrences around it you know what are things that make you stop and go home thats different but with this lax one is pretty cut and simple i mean the guy walked him with a gun people saw it He shot one only shot managed thankfully only shot one person and wounded two others are short story killed one person a minute to others but what the alternative media is using that as the conspiracy is the photo of him laying on the ground and there's a pool of what looks to be red gelatin lame beside you blood yeah.

09:00 Exactly and he's got his arms kind of behind his back in a weird position. And as I pointed out anybody that's ever hunted would know that if you shoot an animal in the upper body close to the lungs, that congealed blood goop stuff that you see on the ground that's typical of any hunt. And then, the way he is laying there saying oh well it's a dummy he is lying on the ground look at the way his laying but if you notice his hands are behind his back and probably handcuffed and that would explain the contorted look of him plus he was probably had to shit kicked out by the cops because thats typical of them right they get the cuffs on them and beat the living hell out of em for

09:42 shooting one of theirs. Yeah, standard protocol Exactly and I just don't see anything strange with this one i mean it all seems pretty cut-and-dry and unless any other evidence comes out to make me think otherwise I'm just gonna call this one a lone gunman that was crazy And thats fair! I know the pictures you're talking about him... That looks totally legit to me. I dont know whats going on with the aerial shot with the dummy in the wheelchair That's a little bit odd, but it's also like so obvious. I can't imagine that that would be Used like you know that would be used as something legitimate Exactly it could be something the simple is they were using that dummy as a staging prop for something else at The time of the shooting and they were just getting it out of the area Like there's nothing really there to make me think that there's any sort of conspiracy

10:33 Yeah, I mean one big thing though is it's just so convenient that it provides a catalyst to have armed TSA guards or at least military personnel at the airport because if you just do a Google search on this story every major outlet is asking about armed guards and armed TSA now. It's the new conversation I got a minute that's a bit of a gift for the global elite oh it is it isn't and i think sometimes they just use this stuff as their cover to push the stuff through but other times they create the events i jus. I don't know why i do find it funny that the apparent shooter has absolutely had shown absolutely no signs of being crazy. That's kind of fishy but beyond that, i haven't really seen anything that makes me think that the government did it um... i'm sure they will use it as they usually do for any event that they can you know

11:28 Yeah, the only other thing that makes me skeptical is I'm starting to wonder if you know when stories come out that are so well synchronized across all the competing in air quotes networks It seems like there are stories, for example Sandy Hook and Aurora. Those things are on there and they're on there all at the same time as if it was handed down but then there aren't events that happen There were a guy who went into a mall and shot seven people There was another school shooting a few months back ones that don't make the news And I wonder if those are the real events that weren't expected to happen The one's that do just hit like wildfire

12:12 Planned events and that's just that's not based on anything. That's just something I've been knowing in the past year It is a good good way to look at it because then that is true you know before the Aurora shooting the day before somebody walked into a mall and started firing off rounds, and I believe three or four people were killed and it never made the news but Aurora happens like the next day or the next week and suddenly that's everywhere. Here is a story of one man getting shot you know I mean from St Louis there were four people killed in a day, amongst friends of mine a big thing because its where they live It seems like a safe area but that wasn't national news

12:57 Exactly exactly i mean that there was there's been incidents here in canada where people have been they found a car full of like six bikers and it shot to death that wasn't major news right so i wonder sometimes with the synchronization and the overblown. Production just some of these particular stories maybe they are that quick maybe they just find them real random event that serves the cause amplify it. But I mean, I've also seen several stories recently about Obama firing a lot of high-ranking military officials and I guess the ideas behind that is that the administration is removing generals and officers that seem resistant to the idea of firing on American people. And it's a lot of speculation but I wonder if this isn't close to the path we're walking on?

13:47 Well it does seem to be the road we're headed down i mean that's what they want they want tsa on the streets of america they want the same thing here in canada it's just. They're slowly working towards and so every little event that happens like this whether they plan or not there gonna use it to the best that they possibly can. Alright man, well I feel a little bit smarter. Thanks for doing this you know people check out everything Rob's doing ton of conspiracy goodness at darkspace.tv and we'll see you next week man thanks again! Alright buddy How's it going, Hireside Chatters? Welcome to the party. Tonight we're gonna grab the Red Solo Cup of Consciousness walk into the keg of infinite possibility garnish it with a little high weirdness and throw that baby back because we're getting drunk on science and speculation tonight simulation theory, the nature of consciousness, technological singularity and a bunch of other stuff I'm gonna pretend understand And our guest for this wild ride is Jim Elvidge who holds a master's degree in electrical engineering from Cornell University

14:48 and for many years has kept pace with the latest research, theories and discoveries in the varied fields of subatomic physics, cosmology artificial intelligence nanotechnology and the paranormal. This unique knowledge has provided a perfect foundation for his book The Universe Solved! And I couldn't be more thrilled to have him here Jim how are you? I'm great, thanks very much for having me Greg. Looking forward to the show! Of course man it's a real pleasure you know? I've been really looking forward to this one there are so many things to talk about but let's start with this programmed reality theory of yours...I mean it's pretty far out there the idea that we're living in a simulation or computer program something like The Matrix

15:26 I've liked that idea for a while when the movie came out, but never really entertained it much as a real possibility until reading some of your thoughts and Nick Bostrom's thoughts. Now I don't know what to think! Can you tell people about this program reality idea? Yeah, sure. Absolutely and people are probably most familiar with it through some of the movies from Hollywood maybe some science fiction writing Philip K Dick and other people who have explored these kinds of ideas over the years. And that's cool because they generally give some sort of description of it or a reason for it to be

16:06 be in the matrix for example there was a you know it sinister aspect to what was behind the matrix other people may say that isn't you know that way that i could be just simulation that uh... we've put together in the future and we're just running i think that's more boston's idea But actually, it goes back pretty far. Conrad Zeus I think was the first person to populate the idea and that was in 1969 I believe that our world could be digital And from there you can go in a bunch of different directions. You can say, well it could be digital but there could be nothing behind it or you could say well it could be digital but there's some programmatic aspect to it and therefore there was a programmer. Or it could be that

16:57 It's not an entity per se that we think of an entity, but it was more a system that evolved and generated this reality in the digital form. So all these things kind of fit into the general field of digital philosophy or digital physics if you will. We can explore the pros and cons to a lot of different ideas. Yeah I mean the thing I thought was most interesting that I'd heard you say in the past is it's very likely that at some point we'll be able to simulate reality. So isn't it also likely that we've already been there, that were already there now?

17:34 yet that way that that's nick bostrom sort of philosophical you know logical argument it's really hard to find fault with it he saying that given where we think we are you know were pursuing these kinds of simulations now we do it with uh... you know massively multiplayer online role-playing games and we do it with universal reality and it gets more and more accurate all the time and is that you know what we call a morris law with the you know escalating speed of computers and the escalating wrestle resolution or screen things like that uh... at some point we won't be able to tell the difference between reality and a simulation were there now in terms of what we can hear you know we could put from unobtrusive headphones on and not be able to tell the difference between asserts or really being down you know i had to beat you listening to the waves um... him from a visual perspective

18:31 if you're able to cover your full field of vision, we can generate that kind of resolution that is equivalent to the visual acuity of the eye today. So we're really close and the only thing that kinda remains to be done is a scenario or the richness of our reality and something about our memories because if we were to play a simulation, put on a headset and execute a simulation. We know because we've got the memories that re-existed before we started the simulation and that this is just a simulation so that brings into question about

19:16 you know the idea of how how accurate are the memory how much can we believe in the memories that we think we have and you know honestly there's a tremendous amount of research and uh... brain computer interface it's going on where memories are being erased in invites you know the teach a mouse how to do something you're a memory re-inject the memory uh... it you know it shows that they they can actually inject false memories into mice and rats in the laboratory so if we're doing that now and again we follow the progression of logical progression of science and technology there is going to be someday where weekend suspend our memory inject a new

19:58 kind of set of memory artifacts, if you will. Run a simulation and then restore our old memory again so boston says that's he refers to that as the concept of post humanism so when you get to a point where you can generate your own sort of fantasy reality if u well and uh... you know that may be twenty or thirty years away so his argument goes like this you know if that's possible and we know that it's possible there is only one of three things they could happen either we never get their but because

20:36 in the next 30 years we blow ourselves up as a society or we never get there because we make a conscious decision not to get there. I tend to disregard that one because when have we ever stared an interesting technology in the face and said, ìIím not going to pursue thatî? And then the third one is we do get there and we generate millions and millions of simulations. So if that's the case, then the odds that were in the one 30 years before that time versus 1 of the millions it gets generated is very small. If you think through his logic, if you're a pessimist, you'll believe that we are going to blow ourselves up in the next 30 years. If you're an optimist, you would have to believe that we are actually in a simulation

21:26 When you take that a step further, we could be just stuck in an infinite loop of digital realities within digital realities where we learn more and more and create another one. and i think that's actually really inflate full thought because you know it sort of like a uh... fractal um... exactly with the picture of the did show these practical images more use them in on them uh... you see the same thing there are number of uh... scientists and into the fifth and so forth tom campbell comes to mind who believe that our reality is a fractal and if you look at it at different scales, you see the same thing. The same kind of structures not just physical structures but the way things tend to work and this whole idea of well we could be in a simulation now and in our simulation were creating simulations you know and in that simulation were creating virtual reality game and someday that'll be a simulation... You know what I mean?

22:28 whole aspect of things is also fractal. So it all kind of fits." Yeah, I mean on the subject of fractals...I've seen those pictures where people put on one side like a cell in the human body and on the other side a galaxy and they look so similar! It's that same Zen philosophy point of you know everything is part of the whole I really like those and it's striking when you look at some of these cosmological maps of the known universe, and all these little tendrils that are in the maps. And then you take a look at a cell or something and see the same structures. That is not to say that the cell is –

23:14 a universal look for some other entities uh... that could be a little bit of a crazy idea or maybe not but you know it's it more to the point is that there are some organizing principle to our reality that makes group together in large scales the way it make things grouped together and small-scale the way things communicate large scale through what the you know this similar to where they communicate in small scales away before structures and so forth And that organizing principle, what is that? We haven't discovered that from a scientific standpoint. Some physicists might point to things like string theory or grand unified field theory or something like that but...

23:56 Those are really things that are meant to describe physical matter particles, and not really to describe these mega structures of our reality. So just the fact that they repeat at different scales is interesting by itself and kind of implies there's some organizing force at work here. I mean, other examples of that are the Fibonacci sequence and the phi ratio. That idea that there's just some type of code to it all? And...I spend a lot of my time in the conspiracy world but that kind of ties in because that is apparently

24:36 the type of knowledge that secret societies have held on to for generations and generations and generations. And the ultimate could be that they're like, oh yeah well this is the program we've created and you know were living on top it here and we could exit at any point but they don't have the ability to do that? You know wouldn't that be a trip Well, it is really interesting if you go back and look at some of the ancient texts, the Sumerian texts or some of the hieroglyphs that you see in various ancient sites.

25:14 you know who try to figure out what their what they're telling us we tend in the past we've had this arrogant uh... assumption that i will be reduced inferior to where we are now so they couldn't have been on onto anything significant you know but it all it only seems to happen that the more we learn about our past the more surprised we are at how rich it was in hell uh... you know philosophically accurate it was or something like that and if the same way with the way we treat animals the more week investigate how animal communicate how they behave the more surprise you are there oh my gosh they have um...

26:00 ecosystems and social uh... systems just like we do why that we we don't assume that in the first place you know why why do we assume that humans in the past and other species of animals are necessarily inferior to us. Why do we have to assume that we humans have access to all there is or all that there could be to know? I think it's a very arrogant point-of-view. Yeah, I mean the universe is a weird place. We seem to figure out more about it all the time one Actually one point that you've discussed in the past that I thought was really interesting is this scientific trend

26:43 this pattern that seems to occur where every new leap in understanding yields a larger ratio between matter and empty space. You know, we kind of discover that the universe is more empty than it is full. Walk us through that trend a little bit and where do you see that trend going or ending if it ever ends? Oh sure, that one's really fascinating to me and it's actually a pattern that I just kind of noticed just a few months ago when I wrote a blog on it. We know over the years we've been you know peering deeper and deeper into the atom as we get more more powerful instruments like uh... linear hadron collider and things like that higher energy instrument that we can use to break apart things in and look deeper in but if you look at their kind of history you have your actually see a pattern you see a trend here which is with his was a revelation to me so let's go back to the ancient greek they thought that

27:43 Everything was made of the little hard billiard ball type objects, call them atoms. And let's take gold for example that gold was you know a gold bar consisted of a bunch of those little billiard ball type indivisible things called atoms that were just packed together. Well if you pack together kind of spherical things there is going to be some empty space in between them as well The empty space is something like 28% of the total space it takes up. We didn't really advance from this theory until well into the 1800s, John Dalton revised the theory in that time and then there were some changes to the theory of atoms

28:32 uh... but the real breakthrough came in nearly nineteen hundreds worth um... uh... ernest rutherford experiment that showed that there was a nuclear to be adam and they were able to determine what the cross section of that nucleus what help rep roughly how big that thing was and found out that while you know not only is did not do not are or gold bars are really just eighty percent stuff and that's the word that i can do you it is more like one-time to the way fifteen so one part in uh... you know uh... i think that would be maybe a thousand trillion so it's so much empty space that it almost inconceivable

29:15 but but it didn't end there in uh... in the sixties with quark theory they realize that you know the nucleus these protons and neutrons were actually composed of something else their proposed a quarks most quark for much much smaller and that most of approach on was empty space so now v you know and they've been able to do some estimates on cross sections of uh... quark now they're saying that you know one dark gold bars say it one part in ten to the twenty eight um... you know stopping everything else is empty space and then the string theorist came came around a ninety two said well you know even quarks are are made at something else but maybe little vibrating bits of string

29:59 that vibrated different frequencies for different particles. And the width of this string is what's known as the Planck length, and the Planck length is something like 10 to the minus 35 meters. It's it's the limit of quantum mechanics at the limit beyond which you can't probe any deeper uh... and that's that's what they say the width of a string is so if you know if you do that calculation your up to something like one part in ten to the fifty two intended to be a purple tend to the one-part intended thirty f is equivalent to a grain of sand used for the five of the earth

30:39 So, one part in 10 to the 52 is like a grain of sand in the solar system or maybe the galaxy. I'm not even sure. It's ridiculously empty and I started thinking, well what's the point of having stuff anyway? The trend is that every 60 years or so we lose about 15 orders of magnitude of density in our stuff in the best theories of science. So if we keep going in that direction were heading toward the you know the ultimate which is there really is no stuff it's really just data which to me is it kind of a one of these big trends that nightly happening in uh... you know scientific um...

31:28 theory and as we kind of peel the onion of what makes all this tick, what the rules are in science. We peel it back further and further, we find that there's less and less stuff probably at the end of the day there is none. All it is data and rules. And if you think about it, if a string theorist are right they say a particle is only defined by one number and that number is the frequency that string is vibrating at. Well if you can define a particle by one number, what do you need the string for anyway? You just have the numbers

32:05 You see what I'm saying? People will argue, well, I feel stuff. I put my hand on the table and I feel this hardness of it. Well actually you don't. What you're experiencing is the electromagnetic charge electromagnetic field charges of the atoms in your fingertips repelling against the electromagnetic field charging the atoms of the table and what you're seeing is reflected light off that end When you really think about this very deeply, it's okay to say that everything is data and everything is data in rules. And so when I punch a wall the rule is that I'm going to

32:58 to get a uh... you know sensation that is the result of the you know very deep rules of electromagnetic interaction and how they translate pressure in things like that that dick it converted into bits in my nervous system and get processed by my mind so we need when you really think through this stuff there's no evidence for any stuff at all uh... and there's there's really a lot of evidence that we're heading toward a trend of recognizing that everything is just made-up data rules so it more evidence for a you know digital world or program world yeah man its its really hard around my head around another thing another component to this is the idea of the conscious observer i mean there's been some experiments that seem suggest that

33:53 waves, stay waves until they have a conscious observer and then they become particles or that they make some type of choice. Again it's pretty over my head but there are those studies out there what do you make of that? What role do you think human consciousness plays in yeah i think that i think that's you know really the way it is a great question i i think that is kind of the key uh... fundamental aspect of what his under investigation today in any field of science it's the key thing that is showing our reality isn't what we think it is everything else but were studying is just kinda peel back the onion

34:36 observer effect that you're talking about and some of the aspects of quantum mechanics entanglement things like that are showing that deep deep down uh... our reality is very very different from the mechanistic type of approach that you know most scientists have believed over the years um... and in this experimenter talking about this double slit experiment has been you know replicated countless times and uh... in the way that it works with every time human consciousness gets involved in observing the result of the experiment, the experiment sort of locks into a particular result. So you know, the way this experiment works is that you have a little detector on the backside of effectively like a cardboard that has slits in it and your shooting particles through that and the detector detects whether

35:36 whether the particle went through one slit or another. And if you have that detector there and you're looking at the results of the detector so that you as a human know where each particle is going through, then you no longer get that waveform but if you turn the detector off Or if you let the detector on but somehow are not paying attention to the detector or having a conscious observation, there will be a waveform on the screen. they've tried to keep that all the possible explanations of this weird effect like uh... used to think well maybe have to do with the fact that the detector is stealing away a little bit of energy from these particles or something and and that was disproven

36:27 not too long ago in uh... tel aviv a scientific lab there and finally in the two thousand eighties physicists in indiana determined to a ridiculous level of certainty eighty orders of certainty the odds of this being chance were one n you know ten to the eightieth kind of thing that that reality doesn't exist at all until we observe it So what do I make of that? You know, I think about it from the programmatic standpoint. If I were creating a reality that is programmatic, I would do it exactly this way and here's why. Let's say you want to create a coffee cup or something – let's use a tree because it's bigger. That's the one I typically use. Do you really have to define what's inside the tree

37:25 You don't. And from a programmatic standpoint, it would take an awful lot of memory resources and computational resources to calculate the structure of things that nobody's ever going to look at So you don't bother doing that. If I were creating this kind of simulation program, all it would create is what people can experience. So now as soon as somebody cuts into the tree there has to be something that generates the construct of the tree. Now if you take a piece out of the middle of that tree and put it under a microscope now there has to be something that generates something at a deeper level but the rest of the stuff on the tree we don't have to care about at that level so

38:07 the further down you go in this thinking, you realize that once you get down to the particle level now I'm looking at a number of particles and they have to have some rules. They have be behaving in certain way because I am measuring them, I am observing them so now we've made those particles lock into a particular state that's exactly what happened in quantum mechanics. It was called decoherence, and that's why these effects occur. Everything else is probabilities until we force the program to generate reality in our minds. Then you get things locked in. That's why entanglement occurs. You can take particles and move them light years apart from each other. Of course they haven't

39:02 been able to do that in experiments they've done miles and 20 miles or something like that but they proven These things are they act as one particle. They don't act as two particles anymore And the reason I would say is because they're following rules of the program in lockstep You know, the program is saying well you know there's like a little State machine if you will, you know program is saying okay when this particle has spin up this particle over here has been down and it every time a clock through another calculation of reality it that's those two particles to be equivalent so for all intents and purposes those particles are one in the same it's like too two pixels on this computer screen if you look at every clock cycle at those two pixels are being repainted so the underlying construct that drives those pixels is something that uh... very consistent you could move those

40:03 you know far apart from each other and still every clock cycle though they'll get repainted it doesn't make any difference how far part they are compared there all driven by the same underlying mechanism so that that to me is a perfect explanation for every quantum mechanics anomaly in a i have on my might say uh... actually be kind of like pseudo code little bits of pseudo software if you will that explains the observer effect and entanglement and non locality and all these things that You know the scientists are kind of beating their head against a wall trying to figure out It's perfectly logical if you think about it from the simulation standpoint Yeah, I mean how funny would it be to find out that? Looking outward into space or down under a bigger and bigger microscope is just fruitless because there will always Unraveled to be something else like we're like. We're living in an infinite

40:59 field of waves and the further you look out, the universe will just manifest more galaxies, more stars, more nebulas. And it just will never end! Yeah exactly... You mentioned that I had a blog recently too about these uh... you know for the another mega trend humanity mega trend of what our perception of all that there is has changed maybe i don't know nine or ten times over the history of humanity there was one point in time you could imagine that they were you-know-who during a tribal era when people thought that all that existed was

41:42 their tribes in the dominion that they lived in uh... middle on come some other tribe from miles away and and uh... conquer them or whatever and they realize well the are our view of reality is much bigger than we previously thought at the whole level bigger and maybe expand now to a continent and then at some point they realized that while there are other continents on this planet at some point arrived another planet and we realized as other solar systems and so on and so on And the interesting thing is that if you plot the dates at which we become aware that there's yet one more level of expansiveness to our world view, if you will. They follow a perfect exponential pattern

42:33 And the last one was, again in say like the 1990s people like Max Tegmark talked about the multiverse theory and postulated all kinds of ways that there could be parallel realities and parallel universes. Well, we're actually due for another one and there is another one. And this other one is exactly what we're talking about tonight. It goes a little bit beyond the idea that we are just in a simulation. It explores the idea that if were in a simulation then something created it so therefore all that we can know

43:14 in the simulation but there's something else out there that created it and what reality is beyond the multiverse concept of a multi-verse concept still talks about physical realities. The next level of thinking here is non-physical realities and this is where folks like Tom Campbell and Stephen Kaufman go into you know sort of a bigger description of what all that there is could be. It's interesting that

43:51 If you don't think about that, you're always in kind of a bubble. And your bubble is everything that you know and so therefore you have to explain everything that you observe by what's within your bubble but if you can somehow understand that there's something outside of that bubble and try to infer what that is or maybe travel to it for whatever and i think we do travel through that when we you know travel consciously uh... then you can realize that though you know that uh... the mechanisms that created our bubble

44:32 are different and they can explain some of the things that we see. It gives you a whole different perspective on the world that we're living in, and the purpose that we have, and things like that so it's really very interesting to kind of go down that path. And its a little bit beyond just pure simulation theory its what else is out there? Well on the subject of the bubble being in the program What is are there any clues to suggest what could possibly be there? What we could possibly see if someone pulled the plug on that program. Yeah, I think when When people die they

45:15 they get a clue uh... if you could have followed much of the near-death experience research or say out of body experience research but neither yet either of these are cases that and it's not uh... this is a pseudoscience i mean maybe the real scientific studies that have been done in over many years There is a consistency of reports that people have, their behavior changes after these things which wouldn't make sense if it was hallucinatory.

45:52 There are things that they experience that then can be corroborated later on like past life regressions perhaps or telepathy or clairvoyance, something like that. Remote viewing. You know, the Army funded remote viewing for like 20 years. So it wasn't that... It didn't work. I think they would have killed the program if it didn't work at all. Right! 20 years that they tell us about? Yeah exactly. So anyway these things go outside of the bubble that I referred to before and so this is evidence

46:36 Tricky evidence because it isn't necessarily as reproducible as a lot of scientists would like. But science isn't all about reproducibility, you know? Something is in science just because its reproducible there's lots of things that take geology for example you know, scientists try to infer why a particular geological formation occurred. That formation will never occur again exactly as it was. It may have been due to a unique event, a meteor or something like that so reproducibility isn't

47:12 It isn't required for science. Some total of a lot of anecdotal information or survey information and things like that is real science in psychological studies, thatís real science. Go ahead. You can go for it, I'm here all the time. Yeah no, you're going to say that these kinds of studies into what might otherwise be called paranormal just because it doesn't fit in with this sort of materialist paradigm... These kind of studies are exploring that next level of quote all that there is and I think that's really really interesting

47:53 It is. It's almost like that's the beauty of the design, is that the illusion is so strong and we talked about the discoveries that the world that we think is made up of stuff is mostly empty you know? The illusion is very strong I think that that's...the kicker to it is that these types of out-of-body experience—I kind of think out-of-body experience near death experiences dreams Psychedelic trips. I mean even the fact that we call them trips, you know That's like a journey You know, I do think that those kind of things are all related and they're all clues But the funny thing about it The big joke is that you can only have that experience for yourself So you may get a clue a major clue about what exists outside the bubble but she can't share it with anyone It's like trying to explain the color green to a guy who has been blind his whole life absolutely Absolutely And yeah this is

48:46 Yeah, I thought about all of this in the sense of a line or spectrum of what I would call consensus reality. So when you dream by yourself and you're in your own mind and you're experiencing something, some energy, some organizational structure of an experience. You're experiencing that but you're doing it maybe by yourself and so therefore you have the freedom to make of it what you will if you can lucid dream you can now mold it in and so forth. Now there are studies of people who do mutual lucid dreaming

49:32 And now when that happens, people who are mutual lucid dreaming there's a little bit of consensus that has to happen. They have to experience the same thing in a similar way it doesn't necessarily have to be exact but it's more toward that consensus reality side of the spectrum and and not toward the you know personal fancy type of a spectrum in our day-to-day reality were very much for the content this reality end of the spectrum because a car drives by its blue when you see it might be a and we have to both say you know without saying thing

50:13 So we have this consensus and that's what makes us think that this physical reality is so quote real, and the other stuff is not. It's just a consensus but a consensus can be generated programmatically too if you're playing virtual reality game on the computer with bunch of people logged in from around the world and everybody is shown the exact same thing in a blue car drives by, you say to some guy in Japan, hey did you see that blue car? He says yeah I saw it too. Because the program has presented that to both of you now you feel like wow now I can really trust what Iím seeing because everyone else is seeing the same thing but what if that guy is showing something different, showing something because

51:02 his level of expertise or his level of knowledge, or his health points, or whatever it is. And this happens in games. It's an easy thing to program. Now you have a little bit less consensus. That guy sees the UFO and I don't see it. Or that guy experiences the monster in a different way than I do. It's all very possible and it explains all our less-than perfect experiences of reality when compared to what other people experience. It happens a lot of times, people will say well I saw one thing and somebody else saw something else That's okay you know that all fits within this paradigm You know on the subject of lucid dreaming it's almost like

51:50 Lucid dreaming is the placebo effect of that plane because it almost ties into The power of thought because in a dream nine out of ten times you think everything is real You think the danger is real? Everything that seemed that and your waking life. You'd look at as wow, that was completely strange and impossible It seems very real but then there's these people who have lucid dreams where they just completely realize it isn't and completely take control of it and then You know, in our waking life we have this thing the placebo effect which is a very similar thing just nerfed. It's very nerfed but you know if there are plenty of cases of people who get better because they believe that they were given medicine when in reality they were given sugar pills or whatever it's very strange I mean how far do you think

52:39 you could follow that thread. How far do you... how much do you think you can manifest your own reality, if at all? Yeah well I think this is very much related to the observer effect that we talked about before when our consciousness interacts with matter um...we create a reality In the quantum mechanical terms, we collapse that wave function. We collapse that probability into an actual place and time because of the program has to do that so the same thing happens with our

53:16 Our future, our future is all probabilities isn't it? And if this physical reality is really just virtual. It's just data that we're consciously processing then we have more control for things that are further in the future than we do for things that are going to happen in one second because remember stuff that's going to happen in one second has to fit with everybody else's consensus So, you got a guy sitting next to you and the two of you are watching a baseball game and one of you tries to consciously make the player hit a home run. The other one tries to consciously make the player strike out. You can't both win that so only one of those things is going to happen whereas

54:02 Further out in the future, you're not so close to a consensus or locked-in thing. You can influence things further out into the future. Theoretically that all makes kind of sense to me." If you believe in this kind of construct, and I always say that Iím not 100% sure of it but my book is about evidence. Itís not about ìI know this to be trueî or anything. you kind of think about this, you know this power positive thinking kinda aspect to it then really there's no reason why you can't control your destiny to some extent. Interact with people through

54:54 means other than our normal communication and all these kind of things that could be possible in a program. We don't necessarily know what the rules are of this simulation, we push push the boundaries of them with studies like remote viewing and experiences like near-death experiences and so forth. And through those studies, we're starting to learn a little bit about what we can do and what we can't do. The placebo effect is showing us that our minds which are not in our brains, our minds are probably somewhere else really can influence and change our outcomes

55:34 Well, it's funny because the idea of manifesting the reality I would love for it to be true but I have so much doubt and In the conspiracy world a lot of people believe that the elite's main objective through media manipulation and news manipulation is to create doubt and to create fear because maybe, The manifesting of reality is completely possible if you believe it but yet we're conditioned To have so much doubt in ourselves that no one ever really can commit 100% to the premise because they've just gone through decades of being told that that's bullshit yeah i think that that's a really that's really in fact well i think that uh... a good way of looking at it that if we were fully free to and this is what i can't tell you if we were fully free too make of our reality what we want to make of it

56:30 We wouldn't learn as much as we do. And in his philosophy, and this is something that kind of resonates with me – to be honest from a standpoint of digital philosophy and digital physics there's a lot A lot of different people out there who are thinking about this stuff. It's important that we not be able to fully influence everything, if everybody was able to influence whatever they wanted they wouldn't learn as much so Some of the constraints that we have in terms of how we can communicate with others, what we can know about what's outside of the bubble. What we can know about our past life if we had them? Those kinds of constraints are important so that we can learn faster and add to the overall evolution of ourselves.

57:29 If you were to plot the amount of knowledge or wisdom that you attain, it probably is very steep early in your life but as you get older it flattens out and you don't gain that much more. the system, if you will in order to optimize how much consciousness quality there is it would have to encourage entities to live early in this cycle. So perhaps that's why there's death. Perhaps that's why we reincarnate. This is all something that kind of fits into this theory

58:16 Yeah, man. It's it's super fascinating it kind of Has a lot of parallels to the Zen philosophy that you know we just are the universe the main difference just being You know, is there... are we the creator? Are we the programmer or is there some external programmer because I guess the big question is how does the program decide to put rings on the inside of a tree trunk when you cut it open. Does it come from our own subconscious what we would expect to see we see or Is the program using some other algorithm To create that stuff, you know, that's kind of one of the fundamental questions

58:52 Yeah, it's a good question. I think using sort of a collection of ideas from shamanistic thinking and philosophy modern digital philosophy the program if you want to call it that or the system has evolved and it's evolved to learn to do what is best. So if the best thing is for, for it to be really efficient and generate those you know the content of rings in the trees then that's what its gonna evolve too I mean if you think about sort of a theory of natural selection Darwin's theory follows this similar

59:34 type of approach you know that the sheep that have the thicker wall in the high cold altitudes tend to pass on their genes more where is the others don't an artificial intelligence or or a system of consciousness that is evolving uh... there do different experiments and the the experiment that have positive or profitable results will get encouraged in the ones that don't and the thing will eventually evolved to be efficient uh... this is it's actually you know it i read a book recently uh... as end book and they've got a passage of my god oh my gosh it sounds exactly like digital philosophy and its it's amazing that people fought the same way

1:00:25 some of us who are in this field are thinking now, and we've come at it from technology and physics and all these different fields. But it's matching, that's really cool. It's almost telling us we're onto something Yeah, there definitely seems to be this meeting in the middle between psychedelic adventures certain religions and old Gnostic ideas and modern science. It's a pretty interesting culmination and it's funny because if you look at history how opposed these different areas were And as they all advance They all seem to be coming into the middle Maybe we're getting close to something

1:01:14 Yeah, I think we are and it's important to stay open-minded. There are very close minded individuals on both sides of that fence and some of them are pretty loud and it is unfortunate because all were trying to do was seek the truth here and do it without You know being told what we're allowed to think and what we're not allowed to think right well It's it's another curious thing not to be too conspiratorial, but are those dogmatic voices in science you know are they popular because the people who don't want us to know the truth Are in charge of the media or in charge? Of what we see and who gets to be the loudest voice And they purposely put those people up there for a reason Just to keep us in the dark a little bit longer. I don't know

1:02:07 Yeah, I don't know. I tend to think a little differently. I think it was Gandhi who once said an expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until they know everything about nothing and that's not to disparage you know anyone who has gotten their phd in a particular field uh... more from advanced degree or really focuses on being an expert in a very narrow thing but he can't be an expert at everything when u r n expert in a very narrow field which tend to be

1:02:43 scientists, people who write papers, people who do the experiments and get known for these things. When you do have that very narrow but very deep set of knowledge if somebody comes along and pulls it out from under your whole reason for being, your whole reason for getting funding that helps pay your mortgage maintains your stature at your university or whatever, that all goes away. So I think there's a lot of fear and defense mechanism that happens when people start challenging some of these very old ideas. Oh, I totally agree with you that is the reality but I guess...I just have more of a question if it's just unfortunate

1:03:32 Unfortunately the way it is or if it's a result of careful planning to orchestrate that system but another thing I wanted to ask you about was the idea of You know, as we look out into the universe it manifesting itself as we look further and further and develop the ability to do so. How do you think that could apply to extraterrestrials? Do you think maybe being more open to the idea in modern times having more of an expectation of the possibility of finding something that it might actually bring it to fruition yeah i think there's something to that uh... you know that they may be um other organized conscious entities in the greater field of consciousness as we are just different and uh... the rules of our interaction or are different than what the rules were interaction with ourselves are not sort of how the way i would look at it

1:04:31 You know if we want to make more contact, probably the more that we get in touch with this idea of how there's one global consciousness and maybe make requests for those interactions might bring us closer. Yeah it's a curious thing! Maybe we're already deeply in those communications and we just don't know it? Well, you might be. That might be some of what happens in the dream state too. Yeah totally agree Hey it's been great talking to man before we go I wanted to ask you one other thing It seems like I see new crazy scientific discoveries like every other day online whether I understand it or not but what are some of the more recent things that come out on the internet that you've seen most interest you?

1:05:26 i want to admit that i just saw last night was fascinating um... with a uh... study with the experimental evidence that that shows that time may come out of this whole entanglement idea so time itself exists within the sort of bubble of space where things are entangled and outside it, time doesn't exist at all. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this but this one feels to me intuitively like it may be another piece of a puzzle that might be something that

1:06:12 you know, can give us some more enlightenment about the way the greater reality works. That's pretty interesting. Yeah it's almost like an evolution of the same principle that, you know, the reality we look at—the stuff we look at feels so solid looks so solid but its mainly empty—you know time feels like such a fundamental necessity, yet if there was a way to explore it deeper we might find that there's more timelessness than timeness. Exactly yeah and there was also an article about some

1:06:50 People from Arizona State, Paul Davies was one of the ones a very well-known scientist that the transition from inorganic to organic life was based on information and not chemistry. Well that all fits in perfectly with the programed reality idea as well so a lot of cool things people are starting to think about if they stay open minded Yeah, right on man. I mean...I think..I'm not a smart man but i'm an open-minded man so sometimes that's better Well you ask some great questions so I put you on the smart side Oh well I appreciate your kindness but well it has been a blast talking to you even though I feel more insignificant than ever and somehow still in good mood

1:07:38 I think that's okay. I do too, and I'm alright with that. For sure! Do you want to tell the people a little bit about your book and your website before we go? Oh sure yeah the book is called The Universe Solved it's available on Amazon both in hardback form and a Kindle version. The website is theuniversesolved.com and probably be doing overhaul of over the next year or so. Right now it's got a lot of interactivity on it, there is a forum, my blog, polls all kinds of things where people can interact and explore things and I just want to kind of bring it up-to-date a little bit.

1:08:20 There's even an artificial intelligence on there named Morpheus that you can chat with. I'm always interested in talking to people too about these kinds of things, so if anybody has ideas or wants to explore anything they can follow me on Facebook, follow me on Twitter, send me emails whatever it all works. Right on. Very cool, Jim thanks again and be sure to give me a call when you get this whole reality thing sorted out alright? Okay thanks Greg great talking to ya thanks for the interview. Take care. Bye bye. Alright people that was Jim Elvidge what a great guest hey thanks for listening people I really appreciate it i'm honored i'm humbled I can't believe it show grows more every day and

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