THC 73: Richard Bandler | Neuro-Linguistic Programming & Mental Mastery

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01:02 Conspiratease.net Let them know that you know Bold designs for troubled times Hard truths, soft cock In the 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the fireside chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times But we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration, we offer a fresh conversation. I'm Greg and Greg Carlwood... Wow people today is a fucking monster of a show! We have one of the world's best hypnotists and leaders in the field of mind science if you've ever heard of neurolinguistic programming he founded that field of study and coined the term so this is a big deal we're dealing with a real term coiner right here

01:56 And this show is really Adam Gowrightly's idea, but unfortunately we had to move the time at the last minute and he couldn't join us. So be sure to smoke a little extra smoke and drink a little extra drink in his honor! But let's get down to it people The human mind is an incredibly complicated system but we do know some things Humans have a tendency to fall into patterns or programs for better or worse We're also greatly affected by things that happen on a subconscious level of which we have little control And my friends, these are the two aspects of the human brain that are the ones most often turned against us. Where we find ourselves manipulated by a global elite, corporate marketers or those with a deeper more hidden understanding of how to push the monkey brain buttons but instead of trying to change the machine or pretend that being aware means being immune to these manipulations

02:41 maybe we should learn the tools of the mind ourselves so we can press our own buttons to achieve our own desired outcomes. Maybe we can become the kings of our consciousness, the masters of our domains." and learn to fine-tune our own mental processes to work for us, to help us reach our goals and define the path we came here to walk. And maybe then we can work towards being creatures of decisive action rather than slaves to perpetual reaction." Well today's guest is the man with just such a plan... And he's here to put us on the path of positive thought and mental mastery. Richard Bandler is the founder of Neurolinguistic Programming, and has spent a lifetime expanding and perfecting mental techniques like neuro-hypnotic repatterning, mental engineering, charisma enhancement, and hypnosis

03:27 among many other mental sciences. He's written dozens of books on the subjects, including Get The Life You Want! The Secrets to Quick and Lasting Life Change with Neurolinguistic Programming, The Secrets of Being Happy, The Technology of Hope Health and Harmony, and the ultimate Introduction To NLP How to Build a Successful Life I'm psyched to have him here so Richard welcome to THC It's a pleasure to be here Yeah, man. I mean you're a busy guy and your videos of hypnotism are extremely powerful but as i was saying in the intro life is full of stresses and worries. I think a big problem is that people just aren't given the proper tools or proper education about the power of the mind and thought And you've been looking into this for several decades so what do you think are some of the more important things people need to understand about their mental space?

04:17 For four and a half decades, what I've been trying to do is to look at the difference between successful people whether they're successful in spelling or being a billionaire or baseball player and find out the difference between how those people think and how other people are thinking. Psychology has always looked at people from the perspective of there's something wrong with them If you dredge into your childhood, you can find out where it started. It's kind of an archaeological dig and if you mentally understand that somehow or other your problems will disappear. This has been tried for almost 100 years and just simply doesn't work so the tact that I took was entirely different. I started looking at what we do with our subjective consciousness how to organize it to become more effective

05:09 If you think about it, just what you were talking about, the body was really designed for us to be in stress couple of times a month. A big cat jumped out of the woods and the prehistoric man got an adrenaline rush and ran away and now it seems like it happens every 30 seconds and people canít misplace their cell phone and they get freaked out or suddenly the text message bell rings, peopleís adrenaline state goes up. So our neurology is really designed to function so that it gets wound up and unwinds itself periodically and this is happening to us all day every day

05:52 I think just physiologically, if people donít learn to control their state of consciousness that the side effects ñ even in 1955, the American Medical Association announced that there was a relationship between stress and health. What they havenít really examined is the relationship between happiness and health. If we could make ourselves calmer and happier without long involved processes, I spent a long time in India and almost every form of meditation you learned required hours everyday and years of practice whereas if you bring somebody out of the audience like I do and put them into deep trance 30 seconds later they are in the state

06:37 So I find the hypnotic process to be a very valuable one that people can learn to hypnotically control their state of consciousness, their blood pressure, their ability to remember things. All the things that come as byproducts of the hypnotic process because to me the word trance is synonymous with the word concentration What I try to do is provide people the mental vehicles to reduce unpleasant things and increase pleasant things by having a control system that runs their brain. It's super fascinating. I mean, I'm sure a ton of people have a vague understanding of neurolinguistic programming but how would you summarize it for an uninitiated listener? Well let me summarize... Neurolinguistic programming itself is the study of successful behaviors

07:28 and whether it's successfully knowing how and when to relax or anything else. In terms of most people having a vague understanding, I would include a lot of people who teach NLP in that category. I've heard some people talk about NLP and I have no idea what they're saying, the amount of jargon they use is just very sophisticated. To me in your mind, the simplest thing to understand is like fear uh... teach classes a one-day class about you know people who are scared of spiders and snakes in elevators for the heights and they all share in one common thing which is if i tell them i'm gonna bring us up sixteen foot snake in the room they start freaking out and there's actually no snake

08:11 Sometimes I don't even have a snake to bring in the room, and people become upset. What happens is just the big picture in their mind of the big snake isn�t enough to get their neurology set off and mental neurosapsis firing in such a way that they feel fear which means they're not really afraid of the snake, they are afraid of the idea of the snake. And most of the time pictures whether it's post traumatic stress syndrome or a fear of all kinds of things, most of the time people have larger than life pictures in their head and those pictures are so big they scare the crap out of them

08:51 And I teach people to shrink them down to the size of a quarter and blink them black and white very fast. If you do that two or three times, when you go try and think about the big picture it just won't come. Our neural synapses are something we grow every night millions and billions of them. When your baby in sleep your growing probably five billion neural synapsis at night and they layer on top each other But yet, they can fire from the beginning of one straight through to the end of another even though there are billions out there because chemically there's a difference in size. And when we take memories and really unpleasant events and we take those memories and shrink them down into small sizes and run them in reverse so that the events actually transpire backwards but very fast

09:40 what happens is it flattens the neurons out. It doesn't have a psychological significance to it, it has a physiological significance and most of the things in NLP are like 15 minute mental tricks that if you run through them they get rid of fear, they get rid of anxiety, they get people over bad past memories and then some of em make it so that you can learn how to spell I went and found somebody who won a spelling bee and started asking him questions but it turned out They visualized all the letters about 16 inches high in their mind and checked them against the paper. When they saw a new word, they expanded in their mind to make a big 16-inch picture of it, make sure that matched one on the page and in future, they'd memorize it. Most good spellers do this but in schools we teach kids to spell phonetically which oddly enough can't be spelled phonetically. It actually comes out as pohonics.

10:35 NLP is really the study of the things that work versus the things that theoretically should work. As modelers, we're only interested in success. We're not interested in explanations. Yeah, it's really interesting. I've also heard a lot of Zen teachers talk about the more in-the moment you can be the less you freak out about the big picture. It's kind of what you were talking about if you can shrink that down and not focus on the future which is where most people stress comes from I know people who have written over something that happened 25 years ago and every day they think about it for two minutes here and a minute there, and I always get people to total it up.

11:21 I go, really in the course of a day how many times do you think? You think about it and people will say 50 to 100 times. And I go for how long and they'll go for two minutes. Then you start adding it up and itís like now or half a day. If you multiply by week then by year, you started talking about 5,000-10,000 hours. In 10 years its even more! When you start to look at people and go, ìSo your plan for the future is to worry about this one past event for 10,000 hours in the next ten years.î And if theyíre 30 years old, theyíre going to do this maybe for 30 years so weíre talking 30,000 hours. Theyíre planning to feel bad and they donít think of it as planning but actually it is

12:05 And when you get it in perspective, it makes it easier for people to start to shrink that down. It's not enough just stay in the moment because you've got to have plans for the future and you've got to remember the past but you don't have to feel bad while you're doing it. If you are looking at something the size of a quarter, you aren't going to feel as bad if you are sitting on the front row of the largest movie screen you ever seen It's simple technologies like this that allow people to take control of their thoughts. The same thing is true about the volume of voices and the location of voices, and also our feelings. Most people act like their feelings are not something they can control when actually it's based on the endemic nervous system.

12:48 which is all the connections between hollow and solid organs in your intestines. And they used to think that just had to do with digesting food, but when a psychologist talks about you're feeling angry really what's happening is your feelings are moving at a specific order inside your body which is different than when you're hungry And when you're feeling terrified or when you're feeling anxious, or when you are feeling nervous, or when you are feeling happy these are all particular orders of whether your feelings are spinning forward or tumbling back. Or going clockwise or counterclockwise because those are really the only 4 directions that you can go in. When you take people and have them start to feel anxious if you have them spin their feelings faster it gets worse

13:30 If you have them slow it down, it gets better. And if you have them force it and spin in the opposite direction typically they can't go back and feel bad about the same thing ever again. We've been developing these kind of techniques. I've been doing this for 45 years and I've taken thousands of psychiatric clients over the years who have been through years of therapy and in matters of an hour or two hours got them to stop fretting over something. Now it doesnít necessarily mean they become the smartest candle on a cake but if somebody has been paranoid about the same thing for 20 years, you can get rid of it in 30 minutes

14:08 Typically, a psychologist will turn and ask me what do you do if it comes back? I look at them and go to do it again. Whereas today they think this is covering up something in there some deep buried thing that must be unraveled for you to have a happy life. In the four-and-a-half decades I've been doing this, I've had depressives that have become comics. I've had all kinds of examples of things which prove to me that's just not the case There are probably people who need some kind of chemical treatment, who are very bipolar or something but 99% of the time what people need to do is learn how to control their thought patterns and their physiology enough that they can get rid most of their bad feelings because youíre never going to get rid them all. And there are somethings that you should be terrified about.

14:55 especially when investing money. To me, learning to pay attention to good intuitions and bad intuitions is how people get smarter. I feel like my career has been a battle against stupidity for decades and decades that if I can get people to be less stupid and to be smarter more of the time they'll have pretty good lives Well, that is what I would ask. If these techniques do have such a high success rate why are they still considered so fringe? Well it depends upon what country you're in just to start with United States is a huge country and has very strong establishment They've bootlegged a lot of what I do into what they call cognitive psychology over the years And a lot of the techniques You know things like how to spell are taught some places and not others

15:47 I mean, I lived over in England for about 10 years. Actually lived in Ireland for 12 years and I taught in England and Europe so you find that in England it's becoming more prevalent. They did a study at some of their school systems and found out that the way we teach teachers works better than actually all the students improve about 30%. So they started spreading it through the school system but again there is shortage of people who know how to teach this Iíve certified over 100,000 people but most of them work as personal coaches or they work at big corporations. Thereís a woman named Kate Benson who is working in the school systems in England and Turkey and Germany I think.

16:31 and slowly all the stuff is going to find its way into the school i mean for decades it's not a lot of time you know to turn over a whole field like psychology and get people to start uh... accepting things i mean the school systems are trained teach what was uh... they're still teaching freud when he really never did very well with any of his clients uh... you know that the emphasis on repeating past mistakes because that's what the people who are still doing it learned But yet in the United States, I've had tens of thousands of people in seminars so there are a lot of people using it and a lot of people talking about them. Even Tony Robbins who knows very little about NLP did extremely well. He sold zillions of tapes and almost everybody on the planet knows his name.

17:23 My goal has been to teach a small group of people very well so that the information doesnít die. Iíve done a good job of that and we have lots of certified trainers, itís very big in Japan but the Japanese have probably more institutes than America. There must be 300 certified trainers in Japan alone. South Korea is becoming very big, and there are trainers in Malaysia and we have people doing training all over the world now. The United States is funny because it's such a huge market that it's very hard to break-in and make an impact that everybody knows about.

18:07 I've been at this for four decades and there are lots of people in America doing NLP in various forms, but some of them don't even know what it is. I worked with the government, we redesigned training programs for the pistol shooting and M16 training about 25 years ago, most of those people left the government to get jobs somewhere else! That's kind of the way corporations are. If somebody is successful at a corporation, they end up getting a job at some other place doing something else. If you're a successful engineer and you ended being middle management probably something that you know nothing about

18:46 It's just the way things are and the way information flows. But now that there are all these e-books and computer programs, I expect you'll find a lot more NLP. It is on TV all of the time. The CSI guys talk about it. You know? I see it all over the place in places where I wouldn't expect it. I mean, especially coming from me having started in a room by myself with the bare light bulb typing away on a manual typewriter. There's been an explosion of information over the past four decades. Right on. Well, let's talk about some of these big stresses in people's lives. Probably money and career path are obviously huge ones I mean most people I know are stuck on a hamster wheel at either a dead-end job or one that they aren't passionate about and there's a lot of fear built up around abandoning that for something more fulfilling How can these kind of mental techniques help someone to gain the life they want?

19:43 To start with, to change your life you need to reduce your worry because worry just takes a lot of time. If you start saying yourself that I should quit my job and find something that I love doing, to start with thatís the wrong order right out of the cake if you think about it. Become unemployed with no resources and then try to build a life is the wrong way to go about it. What you need to do is build something that has a transition model in A lot of people who have started doing NLP had jobs doing something else. They either worked at corporations, they were architects and some were medical doctors and just hated it or Obamacare was on the horizon. My dermatologist just quit

20:27 he's fifty five years old and figured out it couldn't be a doctor by himself anymore yet to join some big organization we had to go out spend a hundred thousand on computers in higher do people just to keep track of the stuff to do obama care well if you normally does is walk in look at your skin freeze a few things that you know if you have some kind of skin disorder he knows them all could be done with a long time and he just quit He just said, ìThis is not for meî and instead he wants to go and get trained to do something else. Now heís lucky because he has got a pile of money to fall back on. He could learn anything like being an airline pilot but most people arenít in that position so the first thing you have to do is get rid of all the scary pictures because theyíre nothing more than scary pictures

21:14 and then you have to figure out where you are and where you would like to go. Now if you know where you want to go, then you build a transition model, a series of steps by which you could logically move from one place to another. And the name of that is called thinking. Most people spend most of their time remembering and calling it thinking. They remember seeing people there, they remember not having money, they remember being unemployed for three months and how horrible it was and they go if I quit, Iím going to be that bad off. Well thatís not really thinking, thatís just really remembering and if you make a wild fantasy of horrible things happening in your life leaving you or losing your house and then you remember

21:56 That's not thinking either, that's remembering. But if you really do adequate planning and you lay out in your mind what it would take to successfully move from one career to another and it doesn't mean it will be easy, you may have to go to school at night. One of my relatives is stuck in a very dead-end job but couldnít be more of the dead end job. He works on the docks loading boxes and now that heís 35 itís crossed his mind they canít Plus he's got three kids and I said, there are jobs entry-level jobs where people make they do x-ray technicians. There are people who build prosthetic limbs for people and it's a two year programs and if you buckle down and went to school at night it would be very difficult but two years later he is going to able get a job where he's making three times as much money as now just to start with

22:51 It would be more satisfying. Think of all the people coming back from all these crazy-ass wars with limbs ripped off, not to mention the amount of people that do it naturally without being in I mean, well if someone has a lot of doubt in these techniques is there are there any small things you would suggest people start out with so they could test these methods personally? Well the first thing to do is you know is to think about something that you'd think about way too often and it makes you feel bad. Typically for most people, it's something that happened in the past. They either made a mistake or somebody else screwed them over and they think about it and they think about it five times a week or 30 times a week and it drives them nuts. Now if you take that memory and look at exactly the same way, it will make you feel just as bad. You can look at it and a bad feeling will come like clockwork.

23:48 Now if you take the same thing, and you have to do this real quick. You have to make it suddenly shrink it down to the size of a quarter and go brrrrm! Bonk it black-and-white then open it up at the end and run it backwards so itís like a Charlie Chaplin movie everybody walks really fast, weeeeep! Talks backwards and run it back to the beginning. Then you wait 5 seconds, take a deep breath and go back and look at it again 9 out of 10 times it won't make you feel bad anymore because you've interrupted the normal neurological processing. Now, if you can do that in 30 seconds or a minute what it means is there are all kinds of things about your brain that you don�t know that will stop your bad feelings and a whole lot that will give you good feelings

24:34 Most of my books are like cookbooks. You get the life you want, you look up something that takes 15 minutes and it makes you smarter. It makes you stop worrying about this or it's broken into three pieces how to get over things, how to get through things and how to do two things. The new book that just came out is called The Ultimate Introduction To NLP Itís actually a story of somebody going to seminar and learning these techniques. It really is like watching an hour TV program, you identify with the main character and walk away with skills that you can use. This isnít complicated stuff. Itís not like learning how to meditate or play musical instrument. This is actually something youíre doing every day but youíre not controlling it.

25:20 Most people think about things but they donít think about how theyíre thinking about them. They donít think whether the picture is on the right or the left, how big it is. If you ask yourself this question, do you believe that sun is coming up tomorrow? Most people have a great big picture of the sun coming up. It's in particular place in their mind and when you start to think about the things you believe like you can't be successful, all those doubtful bad beliefs that give you strong feelings are all on the same place in your mind and if you learn that they're there then what happens is you can take them and move them somewhere else

26:00 There are some things that you just don't hardly believe at all and when you look it in your mind, pictures will be in one place as opposed to another. The voice will either be on the right or the left, front of the back. When you start cataloging how you think then you start being able to adjust so that you can start to believe what you want to believe and it affects your neurology. Your ability to have motivation is based on what you believe as possible and if you have certainty about your doubt, thatís kind of paradoxical in and off itself. People will come into me and say Iím wracked with uncertainty. I always look at them and go ìAre

26:39 Most of the time, they say yes. When I go, ìHow can you be so certain about your uncertainty?î and when they start to think about it, there is a place in their mind where certainty is. They just got all the wrong crap there and when you start moving shit around on your mind the same way you would in the filing cabinet, the only difference is that it affects the way you feel and if you change the way you think It changes the way you feel, and therefore it changes what you can do. Yeah that's a great point! Another thing I was curious about is have you or have you heard of anyone or known of anyone doing research in these mental techniques in conjunction with psychedelics?

27:25 Not on purpose. The reason I ask is because dimethyltryptamine and ayahuasca, a big part of that people feel like they gain serious insights from those specific compounds and they always talk about it in a mental way. Ayahuasca's pretty nasty drug actually. I know a lot of people that have been taking it but to me if you can do with ayahuasca you can probably do without it. You just read what people went through mentally uh... yeah it's some people are so hard-headed probably took a high watch to get them to have an insight most of the people i met that flew down there and trips through the jungle you know how about they take a machete at a place for the blamed around and make a way in and from shaman who they don't even understand what they're saying they have a translator translating how their entities and plants and and they learned to see these things and use them for healing and all kinds of stuff

28:19 that most of the people i've met with you know are the ones that take a lot of convincing because they have a tendency to doubt everything and you know if your akamak lsd or i'll walk through one of these things uh... they have attended cedar to what these drugs do it is to make the part that keeps your senses closed down If we didn't have things in our brain, like LSD, lysergic acid actually is what opens up the senses. Like if there's danger and you get adrenaline, the amount of LSD in your mind increases therefore you see more and hear more but if there wasnít something that dampened our senses,

28:56 overwhelmed and uh... and it's the interplay of of the homeostatic system in the brain that allows us to find a balance problem is as people become too fixed they only see what they believe them therefore they don't ever learn anything new and uh... sometimes these drugs open the doorway long enough for people to peek out and discover you know that they've been overwhelmingly stupid for a long time Nobody knows the limits of possibility. Good Lord, my grandfather believed that no one would ever fly and my father was one of those people who walked around going, ìThatís as impossible as putting a man on the moon!î Every time we set the limits to whatís impossible, we find out it really isnít with a concerted effort impossible but if we managed to do it in less than 10 years

29:48 We need to put our minds into making our population smart enough to keep up with our smartphones. I noticed they call them smart phones, not smart schools." That's funny. I mean, yeah maybe the psychedelics are a crutch or maybe they're just a way of diving in and maybe it is all... Well they're one way that you know, I mean psychedelics are a way to open up your senses so you perceive more and have new ideas but it's not the only way there certainly you know I do with hypnosis all the time. I do it with neuro-linguistic programming, I do it with design human engineering, all of these tools because remember itís not the drug but its bodyís response to the drug and when you take LSD there is already LSD in your brain but itís not producing as much

30:37 And by increasing that level, the body responds and therefore your synapses start synapsing in a new direction and your eyes start perceiving new things. Then you start to get ideas that you wouldn't have otherwise. Oddly enough when somebody has taken one of these drugs it's very easy to reinduce the drug state Even things like sodium pentothal, if somebody's ever taken sodium pentothal in a matter of probably 15 minutes it would take me to reinduce the state and put them back in. Because the body has already memorized that so their ability to reproduce it chemically is not that hard

31:20 We are strange machines. Yes, we are! Let's talk about these techniques as far as applications for learning new skills I hear that is a big thing you can use them for Are there any real limitations to what they can do? Can a clumsy person mentally transform themselves into a great athlete or tone deaf shower singer manifest the perfect pitch Douglas Goldstein, CFP®, is the director of Profile Investment Services and the host

31:57 What we can do is we can get the same mental state that somebody's in when they're doing well to be taught by people who are learning, so they're more likely to do better than they would. This is true for musicians and artists. I do a class where actually bring people in who claim they have no artistic ability. I put them into a trance and give different strategies that I've gotten from good artists and oddly enough they can paint immediately. I have a video with that on there called the class of the master, I've probably done this now for 20 years probably two or three times a year and i'm always shocked by how well people do that you know our inhibitions stop us from trying and if we don't have any mental capacity

32:50 One of those strategies I got from a guy was just walking down the Thames in London and there was a guy drawing on the tree on the other side of the river. The drawing was identical to the tree, it was colored I�ve been working on it for a long time and I�m not going to lie, I�ve had some But what he did is he imagined his hand across the river, a great big hand tracing the tree and saw wire come from his hand attached to his real hand so when the hand next to the tree moved, his hand move on paper. And when you think about it that way suddenly drawing something on the outside becomes easier. That one little mental trick

33:44 If I teach somebody who's never drawn to do that, to hallucinate this hand tracing the tree and doing the colors color by color and switching from a color they see across the river to that color of pencil. And then just tracing or shading that part of the tree suddenly the tree they draw may not be as good as the artist who was on The Thames but it certainly is 15 minutes later better than what they could have done If they keep doing that, they keep getting better. As you keep adding those techniques so that you have a whole repertoire of them not just the one with the wire but ones about color and ones about shading and all the details

34:24 Some artists are able to look at very small things and magnify them as if they have a magnifying glass. Most people who do carving do that, but they don't teach you this in art school. When I went to school they just handed us big giant crayons and said draw this That's the same way they used to do training in baseball teams. They would hand you a baseball and bat, and they'd go out and say hit some! They wouldn't tell you how to slow down time so the ball isn�t moving as fast. They that many sports have become much more of a science than they ever were and the big part of that is what nlp has done for them teaching them to repeat positive states of consciousness so that people have a sense of time distortion when they need it and uh... you know most these baseball players got me hit their foot with about may step into the batter's box then they stepped back out and stepped back in even golfers when they look down the fairway and make make a fake

35:28 stroke and they look down the fairway, when you start asking them what are you looking for? How do you know when to hit the ball? Most of them will tell you that fair way starts to shrink. And when it gets to a certain size, they know they're going to hit it well. If they hit at any other time, they slice it or do poorly." Where do you think that comes from? Are they doing that mentally? Itís an altered state. Like I said, altered states are really concentration. I think most drugs help people to concentrate and that doesnít mean itís the only way to concentrate but most athletic

36:04 Feats are done by going into a profound altered state. A prize fighter doesn't walk out in the same state of consciousness He's he's having lunch in he learns to focus when you look at them coming out of the ring their pupils are dilated They have to go into a state where they can maintain things like and they're all hypnotic phenomena They have to distort time so that everything is going in slow motion They have to do pain control much like you doing hypnosis or All of these things that people do as athletes are hypnotic phenomena. Man, what do you think are some of the best ways to increase our concentration to work up to some of those higher levels? Well I'm a great proponent of learning hypnosis. Meditation for me takes a long time but if you get somebody to hypnotize you into deep trance and then give you the post-hypnotic suggestion you can go back when you want to learn how count yourself in and out You learn what hypnotic phenomenon are there

37:03 Weíve gone a step further and design human engineering, we actually build the control panel in the mind so you can look down. You have a lever in your mind and you could just pull it to change your state so that you go deep and one that increases serotonin or one that increases your level of adrenaline so that you can go into heightened states of awareness or deep states of awareness And you can actually get an application for your iPhone and a little headset now called an X-Wave, and you can measure your brainwave patterns. When we hypnotize people – We don't just do it like in the old days where they took a watch on spin it in a circle. We put on machines and read people's brainwave patterns so we know exactly what state they're in. We know whether they are going into alpha, and when they get to alpha whether there are theta spikes

37:51 And we know which states are better for what activities. To me, I've worked diligently for years to tie in the relationship between information gathering machines and giving people the ability to gather the same information with their eyes and ears so that we become better communicators Yeah, you know every once in a while on this show we'll have some guests from the New Age movement and that's not really my favorite area but when they're talking about manifesting reality and that kind of thing do you think this is really what they're trying to describe?

38:27 I have trouble understanding a lot of what they say because they use verbs as if they're nouns. When you start talking about reality, it's like it�s a thing � as a physicist, I know better. You started looking inside things and there is nothing but smoke and mirrors and no mirrors or smoke but there are rules by which things operate. Gold melts at the same temperature every single time Those rules change, by the way depending upon what's going on. When you reach a certain temperature of the laws of ohms and amps simply ceases to exist. It changes and the more you study physics, the more you learn that there are rules in reality

39:10 but when the new age people talk about it, when they start talking about manifesting the reality. They don't get into the details of how you do it? How do you build a strong belief? I have a whole book that tells you how to go in and build better beliefs It's called Using Your Brain for a Change and that book is dedicated to the idea that you can decide what you're going to believe and make it as strong of belief as anything else that you believe strongly. And it tells you exactly how to do it, there are exercises by which you practice this and the more you practice it, it's like anything else but better you get at If people decide this and to me what manifests things with most of my clients who have failed at most of their things in life except going into therapy, when they get to the point where they realize if you believe that youíre going to do something then you try with every fiber of your soul and every fiber of your imagination so that you make plans and carry them out.

40:08 I don't think it's enough to just believe. I think you have to do as well. This is what makes me pop out of the side of the New Age movement, they donít put my books in the New Age department. Sometimes they call them self-help books but really theyíre not about helping yourself, they're about transforming yourself I'm in the business of optimizing people, not repairing them. A lot of what you look at in the New Age book are all about how do you fix yourself? How do you overcome what's wrong with you and I happen to think that people work perfectly but paranoid is paranoid everyday. The person with an elevator phobia never forgets to be phobic on an elevator.

40:49 Yeah, that's actually a great point. And so anyway what I try to do all the time is to just get people to optimize what they have take their assets and amplify them Take their deficits and shrink them down and add other things So that they start to build better beliefs so they have a better attitude and learn to control their feelings A lot of the New Age movement acts as if your feelings are real and they are real while you're having them, but they're not real like gold melting at the same temperature. You could look in here exactly to same things and feel entirely different. It happens all the time. We change our taste for foods, we change what we like, we change who we like – all these things change over time.

41:37 Being able to do it on purpose is called thinking. When you know how to think on purpose, then you can change the way you feel and therefore it changes what you can do. Yeah, I mean one of my biggest problems is probably procrastination. It's a widespread problem But you never wait to procrastinate Right that's a good point. What is it? It's so easy for me to bust my ass for eight hours a day when my boss is telling me what to do but when it comes to working on things I'm passionate about that I'd rather be doing apparently it's a huge undertaking to get started What's going on there? Well, I don't know what's going on. A psychologist would be interested in that question and I'm only interested in how you start doing things. That's a better question. If the boss tells you to do something, how do you think about it? How do you start doing it? Do you have a clear picture of what you need to do? Most likely yeah! Okay is it on the right or left?

42:37 Me, personally it's just I'm on such autopilot there that I just kind of go for it. Well you can say that but its not true No? You think there is more of a process involved? Well I know there is! I've been doing this for a long time and in other words for you to carry out a task you have to know what the task is and you have to...you have to just Make the plan somehow you either have to visualize what you need to do You probably have a voice that tells you they better get started and you have a certain set of feelings That that propels you into the act action, right? And I guess the goal is to harness that one pick an example in your mind What's something that you actually do when you're supposed to when it's morning. Do you procrastinate getting out of bed? It depends on the day of the week but usually yes

43:26 Okay, so it's a big procrastination problem. It starts from the moment I wake up. A big procrastination problem? Okay well no matter how long you procrastinate there is a point at which you actually get up. Right Correct Yes So let's just back up a little bit How do you know when its time to get up as opposed to time to procrastinate You got up this morning And when you got up this morning, what did it take to get you out of bed? Because if the picture isn't big enough or close enough and the voice isn't loud enough then you don't have strong enough feelings that you can get out of bed. Some people just see themselves getting out of bed and they get up! Those people have a tendency by the way to be afraid of heights. Really? Yeah because all it takes for you to do something is seeing yourself doing it. If you see yourself jumping off the edge of a building then you're in deep trouble. Ah good point

44:17 Well, I find it all the time when people tell me theyíre afraid of heights. I always look back at them and say so in the morning when you wake up you get right out of bed donít you? And typically say yes and thatís because it makes sense. Itís a logical thing if your motivation is too easy then you get scared in certain situations just because your mind can run because instead of seeing yourself stand calmly by the side of the building, you see yourself flying off and that would be frightening do everything you visualize, that can be a scary thing. But in your case it takes a lot to do it so once you know how big that picture is and how close it has to be tomorrow when you wake up make the picture bigger and closer faster! And whatever side of your head the voice is on make it louder and closer and you'll find yourself getting up quicker."

45:08 It's starting to make more sense to me. It seems like it's a little bit easier... Well, you're either going to wait until it happens by itself or you're gonna make it happen yourself. It would be like having the remote control and not using it just hoping that TV would change channels Yeah, and I mean I have heard you say that a big part of Pete why people don't get what they want is because they're not determined enough. Well determination is like anything else you can turn it up and turn it down All of our feelings are something that run by themselves like if we have a feeling that you really want something well If you spin that feeling fast enough in your body there's a threshold point at which you just go do it and

45:50 If it goes on at a low rate, then you don't get enough juice to actually get going. I've had people walk in my office and go for years that they wanted to learn how to play musical instruments. Here's the odd thing – for 10 years they can keep track of what they want to do and imagine themselves doing it but yet never pick up and try let alone hard enough every day because there are lots of really intelligent people who don't learn to play a group of don't want to do things they want to and a lot of complete idiots that learned to do them because they're very determined right and uh... being very determined it's not something that genetic it there isn't a determination gene it's a thought process and if you'd learned to engage in the process on purpose and run your mind on purpose but he'll get the feelings and you'll be the activity

46:42 I've heard you describe kind of a learning state, for say someone who wants to learn that instrument. How do you get yourself into the learning state and outside of just visualizing it and never sitting down to do it? Well, if you're going to learn depending upon what instrument it is but like a stringed instrument most people learned to not visualize seeing themselves doing because then you don't feel like you are They instead see somebody playing a chord, turn the picture around and step inside it so that they can see the fretboard so they know exactly where to put their hand. And as the notes change, they see the fingers moving on the fretboard and keep their hand inside it so that they make short movies or learn little pieces and eventually make long movies. People like Mozart would listen to somebody play the piano and visualize his own hands on the keyboard and he'd memorize it and go home and play

47:33 He had a very good eidetic memory for such things. But for most of us, we have to start with small pieces and learn those pieces but you know most people who have learned to play the guitar they never tell you to visualize and imagine that keyboard or fretboard and put your hands on it and see what your hands would look like in your mind and put your hand inside with your own imagination and move it along. because it's real life pictures that get you to do real life things. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's a programmed subtext of society or something subtly embedded in our school system but a lot of people seem to be plagued with negative thoughts and that seems to be a big roadblock

48:15 Douglas Goldstein, CFP®, is the director of Profile Investment Services and the host of the Goldstein on Gelt radio show. I encounter this a lot. Some of the musicians that I meet are making buckets of money and they still donít feel talented, they always look at me and say thatís because I never practice but yet they spend three hours a day worrying about not practicing when if they practiced for an hour or day, theyíd be better off but you know what? The fact that people do stupid things

49:02 isn't the important issue. The important issue is starting to do what you want to do minute by minute, going tomorrow I'll spend two and a half hours worrying about it and a half hour practicing." As soon as you start to think of it as a practical decision and you think about the things that you actually do, think about how you do them in your mind where are the pictures what's the voice that gets you to do things. Most people don't really spend a lot of time thinking but they do brush their teeth in the morning regularly And if they stop and think about brushing their teeth, they have a mental program. They run there's no reason why you can't replace that with the guitar and practice for half an hour or clean your closet or anything else. You could make it a matter of fact thing if you just take the thought process that works then put what you want in it as opposed to using a thought process that doesn't work and continually using it over and over again. Huh?

50:00 Yeah, it's seeming to make more sense. But let's talk a little bit about hypnosis before we have to get out of here because that's the most visually impressive thing you do and the only times we've ever talked about on this show is for fringe things like past life regression or recalling some alien abduction not really in any type of practical use for your life but do you think Hypnosis can be used for those more fringe things. Do you what are they recalling if not a real past life or an alien abduction? I saw some of the films on alien inductions and When they hypnotized the people they literally said, you know at four o'clock how many aliens came through the wall?

50:42 In a trance, most people will accept any suggestion. If you tell them to disappear on the hot stove in the middle of the room and bring them out of trance and ask them to get you a book on the other side of the room they will walk around the stove. And when you asked why they walked around the side of the room? They'll say one leg is shorter than others I think that's a great question. It's like I'm sodium pentothal, it just will only tell the truth. And if you set it up like that in the beginning then you'll get accurate information but if you just age-regress people back to something which may or may not have happened and ask them to recall it they'll make shit up like crazy

51:35 I don't know if there are alien abductions or not, but given the hypnotists that I've seen do it we have no way of knowing for sure. It's just one of those things to me if somebody was abducted repeatedly and I would teach them to hypnotically and involuntarily reach up with their masks off because they always seem to have a mask off or poke somebody in the eye You can give people post-hypnotic suggestions and they will carry them out. In fact, most of the stupid things that people are doing are kind of like post hypnotic suggestions. Think about this – most people can set their alarm clock at night and will wake up just before it goes off.

52:15 When I ask an audience, about 80% of the people will raise their hand when I ask how many of you set on alarm clock and wake up before it goes off or don't set one at all and wake up at the time you imagine. Now if 80% of the population can give themselves a suggestion and wake up from a dead sleep At a particular moment, it means that they should be giving themselves more suggestions. They shouldnít just be saying wake up at 8 oíclock. They should say wake up happier and more determined. Wake up and clean your closet.

52:51 The same machine that will wake them up will do all kinds of things. We have all these wonderful machines in our mind that are designed to tell time, to carry out tasks and remember things and being able to organize them so they function efficiently. In hypnosis we do it because weíre given the suggestions Part of where NLP came from is I started seeing people do things that I couldnít do. How was it possible? I could hypnotize a girl, name off the notes on the piano and then start hitting notes until having her tell me the name when she had no musical background. It means that ñ and when I asked her she told me the sounds were as different as colors

53:35 I had Gregory Bateson who is an English intellectual who was one of my mentors years ago. He was married to Margaret Mead and he popped over my house once when I was doing an experimental hypnosis group, and there was a young chap in the deep trance and Gregory says to me, ìMake him talk backwardsî so the sound comes out backward So I looked at this kid and said, ìYouíre in a deep trance. When you come out of this trance, youíll speak perfect backwardsî and I woke him up and he looked out on us and went, ìMwishnit nshinon!î And Gregory spoke back to him. They went back and forth for a few minutes then I put the kid back into trance and said, ìWhen you come out of trance this time, youíre going to tell me exactly how you did

54:24 And he sat up and he looked at me, it was so easy. He said all I did was write the sentence that I wanted to say then I wrote it phonetically underneath and then I reversed the letters and sounded it out. Now as soon as you have that strategy anybody can talk backwards Huh. So I mean, it seems like the hypnotic state is just a state of hypervisualization which is what we're trying to do with neurolinguistic programming in our waking life. It's just not as effective. What we do with NLP is try and find a strategy—a series of internal states. It's not just visual sometimes its auditory, sometimes kinesthetic and sometimes there are series of these things that allows us to reproduce a behavior

55:09 whether the behavior is talking backwards or hitting a baseball better, or memorizing a date. All of these things which we are capable of doing there are little mental strategies that work better than other ones. Phonetics isn't a good strategy to spell because spelling by definition is where you repeat letters which are visual to start with Every school system I've ever been in, every year hands kids a phonetic speller and yet most – if you're in Germany, you can almost spell phonetically but in English, good God, English is the language that witches made up.

55:46 Yeah, a lot of things don't work phonetically. But man you know it's what do you think about self-hypnosis? That's something that's come up before on this show well self hypnosis It is one of those things that people learn to do You know I learned self-hypnosis years ago Is it just as effective Douglas Goldstein, CFPÆ, is the director of Profile Investment Services and the host of the Goldstein on Gelt radio show.

56:30 A lot of people are worried about somebody else controlling their mind, but that's not really what happens. The job of a good hypnotist is to be like the ultimate biofeedback machine. See the reason people when they see me do hypnosis are impressed is because I go first. I look people in the eye breathe at the same rate and drop into trance and typically they go with me. And when I do it then people have a tendency to go down very quickly because they know where they're going. Unconsciously, they see the changes in my breathing and facial structure and as I lower my brain wave pattern if they start to go up, I come up and go down and it's reflected in the tone of my voice so once people have been in trance a couple times its easier to do self-hypnosis It is not impossible to learn on your own there are thousands books out about it And you know it's always a question how experience you have with altered states

57:25 If you're not a very relaxed person, then learning self-hypnosis is harder than if you're somebody that's done a lot of meditation and maybe a lot of drugs. Well it has been fascinating talk I know you got to get going on my stupid stoner show. Are there any other bits of empowering advice you'd like to share before we go? The only thing is no matter what people tell you can. Nice, well said. Where can people go if they're hungry for more Richard Bandler? RichardBandler.com? RichardBandler.com and the NLP store. Thanks again sir it's been a real blast inspiring stuff I feel better already! Okay well it has been a pleasure. Enjoy your day. Alright bye-bye

58:16 There you have it people, that was Richard Bandler schooling me on the tricks of the mind. If you haven't seen videos of Richard hypnotizing people, you really should YouTube it It's pretty unbelievable how fast and easy he does it But I hope you learned something or got some ideas Or enjoyed the conversation And as always, the best way to support The Higher Side Chats is by picking up one of my fringe and fashionable T-shirts at conspiratees.net There are a lot of shows out there, but if you like the way THC does things which I like to think is a little different please share the show and help it grow. You're all amazing and again thanks to Richard Bandler for being here! It's gonna get real weird next week when we're talking about the Montauk Project and the Hidden Hall of Records recently discovered in Romania with Peter Moon. Of course, people one other thing is you can always leave me a voicemail on my Skype at Hireside Chats I'm looking for things to play during transitions and i'd love to have the audience be a part of that so thanks again guys!

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