THC 63: Santos Bonacci Interview | False Reality, Astrology, & The Biblical Code

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Hey, hey, hey Ironside Chatters! Welcome back to another hour of speculation and education from San Diego drinking a little drink smoking a little smoke getting my gears lubricated for the journey ahead. I'm Greg Carlwood happy to say my good friend and occasional co-host Kyle Prentiville is here for this one. I've often said that throughout our nearly 20 year friendship i'm usually the loudest voice but Kyle has always been the soundest which is a dynamic that comically manifests itself in the routine voluming issues we have on THC. But Kyle man how's it going?

01:03 It's going well. I really like what you said there. Thank you, man. No problem dude What's been going on with you man? What's what's on your mind? What's new very rarely follow any kind of politics. It's such a sideshow. So one thing that happened was, uh... A lot of people in my Facebook feed are celebrating this woman in Texas, the senator who gave a 10- somewhere between ten and thirteen hour filibuster to this bill that was almost assuredly going to pass in Texas that would essentially ban abortions They're still trying to do that. Well, that is essentially gay marriage and abortion maybe this is just me but these are topics they just pull back out every so often to just totally divert you from banks bombs killing Iraqis all those kind of stuff So they want you to focus on these sideline issues anyways the filibuster is the most ridiculous part of the democracy that we accept

02:04 And it's a democracy where the young people can't really participate when you're voting, you're not really participating. You don't actually get to vote. It's on the internet. And they play by these game rules where if you just sit there and talk for 13 straight hours, then they can't get around to the vote. So then they just can't pass the bill and that is what they call common sense democracy. These are the most educated people supposedly, most qualified supposedly. If they could just get up there and talk say anything for 13 hours that's all it takes

02:47 Yeah, it seems like a system that eight-year olds came up with. It's hard to believe anyone accepts that this is the way it is but actually in fact nobody questions that filibusters and the whole democratic process is just totally false. I actually saw The Daily Show they talked about this same exact filibuster situation and They had all these rules like you can't leave, you can't use the restroom. You can't stray from the topic. You can't lean on anything and it's just so silly to think that there was a time where there were guys sitting around coming up with the rules for a filibuster Like any of that time should be spent on something else It is a broken system man but everybody knows I got a question I gotta ask you about certain psychedelic

03:42 I'd assume you mean dimethyltryptamine. We talked last time that i was gonna do it and i have now been initiated into the DMT community, you know visited by our friend the Dimethyltryptophan himself Fernando yeah man! I feel like it was pretty cool. I did see the complex geometric patterns. I felt the warmth and vibration of the body associated with DMT but i did not have experience That I could extrapolate any meaning from. And, you know I wanted to get some kind of insight into myself or my path which i'd come to expect from hearing about DMT experiences. That didn't really come and that may be in part because this was the first DMT that Fernando had synthesized himself which made me a little nervous but it was also in a liquidy form which is uncommon apparently it's usually more crystallized

04:43 And, you know he put that on Ebola weed which I've also read there is a debate in the dimethyltryptamine community that marijuana might actually lessen the effects of DMT. So there's that factor too possibly but it was definitely worth doing and it was a positive experience. I feel like it would be a little hard to have a fully negative experience because positivity involved and warmth seems more there, more present than it does with mushrooms or any other psychedelic. But I mean your experience is a lot more symbolic and meaningful and interesting

05:22 Yeah, I've done it a couple times and had really good experiences. And didn't know what to expect really after the first time you do it then you kind of have somewhat an expectation, you kind of know what's going to be like a little bit but even those ideas are false but my third trip was really similar to my first in almost a similar – I don't know, it's hard to explain but at similar type space is where I felt like I was that It's really a blending of all the senses like feeling and sight and being, the environment around you. And the very essence of where you are and what your experiencing in who you are is all unspeakable like it's when your in experience you know you can't later explain what its like.

06:12 Part of you goes into it feeling like oh man, I'm gonna remember this and they see some crazy shit. And then when talking about it but then during it I Said twice I like laughed I got to a point after the peak where just like rips you through bright colors and expanding imagery and stuff like this and then I got to a point where I was trying to like come up with a story is trying to come up with like What what did I just see and what did I just experience? And then this presence was just like come on, man You can't put this into words. And then I would laugh out loud like my semi tripped-out body We're just like Google damn which is similar to a silo side been experienced but with mushrooms I feel like

07:01 You cannot help but go into the trip. You can't really resist it, it really overwhelms you whereas with dimethyltryptamine I feel like your voice inside your head that's thinking talking and taking notes...I think it can interfere a lot more Yes! I would say that's 100% true. I never lost that voice and I was following it Maybe it's the ego in the back of that. It's like alright, man you can handle this you can handle This isn't that bad? This isn't that intense You know we're still here We're still conscious we still gotcha and then by the time That was getting difficult I could tell I had peaked and I was coming back down And I was like oh man. I never lost that voice. I almost spent the whole trip Rationalizing that I was still with it. You know

07:44 Yeah, and even with like other spiritual practice such as intentional meditation and trying consciously in your life to quiet your mind and quiet that racing thinking aspect of yourself. And just sometimes try to make that silent it's really hard to do even with that kind of training going into DMT its still tough I don't know if that means we're not taking big enough doses or its not potent enough but I feel like it is tough I agree man i mean i think the descriptions of what i expected it to be are probably closer to what would begin from a full ayahuasca session. I'm in that is probably the final frontier i think its longer more intense and more personal journey,

08:27 Which, you know I'm gonna be a lot closer to attaining when i move to Chile which is probably in my future. Because what good is it to see a ship sinking if you don't get off? But its quite scary when the ship is all you know Well...I was really psyched about that episode too and thinking alot about not only Chile but Mexico and alot of places Really fascinating what he's talking about I had to make a decision If I was going to have a capitalism debate And uh..i didn't want to do that But I knew that if I challenged it, we would have that debate. So I was just like okay...I think there's probably answers beyond capitalism and beyond a monetary system and I don't think free markets are going to solve all our problems but

09:09 I'd rather just gain knowledge from you in terms of your travels and the political climate in different areas of the country. that's unfathomable knowledge, I feel like. You're not gonna get that from a book you're not going to get that from school unfortunately and it's important the planet is round we should know what's going on all over the place and i envy his amount of knowledge people all over are being And a lot of times through conversation, like through podcasts you just hear someone's point of view and the kind of experiences that they've been through. It just opens a doorway into whole different world that you had never even – I don't know in your bubble you never came in contact with any information like that and all of sudden you're processing really new, really novel stuff

10:09 And this whole idea of being a permanent traveler and not trying to pay taxes or have residency in any particular place. Sounds like a dream, I guess I gotta invent a software company or something first. Or just pick up 200 bucks and go to Cambodia! Yeah start a bar Man, I've been joking about that all week. It seems too good to be true to- I mean of course there's gonna be some inconveniences with doing that but Chile I seem...I think it's right where i'd like to be in terms of there's growth potential but it's also a place where I can get a good internet connection and uh...Galtz Gulch!

10:46 Sounds like an interesting place and a lot of Americans seem to be going there, which is also a little comforting You know you're gonna be around people who speak your language because that's a big concern too. I don't speak any Spanish So um it's a little tough for me to take off and start a business where all my customers speak a different language yeah but gotta be open the possibility because he really had me reflecting about what it's like to feel the police and feel this surveillance state everywhere you go always being watched always being at all goes in your permanent record something I was gonna say about Jeff Berwick and his talk about police is yes i understand his point that it's its kind of cool to be able to give the cops a couple bucks and going your way but that's from the perspective over rich man yeah

11:35 A rich man's gonna be disappointed when he can't just give an American cop a hundred bucks and get out of those cuffs. But it's tough to know if that's something I would rather have, if you're getting harassed for no reason and shaken down for 20 bucks... That's not an ideal situation either but maybe it's better if you can bribe your way out of trouble I think basically what he's suggesting is that you can bribe your way out of trouble for cheaper because in the states, you'd have to hire an attorney and then the attorney does whatever voodoo that they do. And it gets rid of your charges. It's a very similar thing. You're just paying a different guy money. Right? I guess it's just a matter of having the money on you rather than getting a ticket which is essentially a bill for 30 days from now

12:25 Yes, Santos has some pretty interesting information. I'm hoping that we can start the conversation talking about how ... because he comes from the perspective that Rome is the architect of all our problems and I'd like to get started off with talking about the false reality that they've constructed around us, that we keep busy with and keep distracted with. And it really keeps us enslaved consciously and then transition into why they built this. They built this specifically in Santos' view to cover up the true reality which if we knew that if we knew the real secret science

13:09 we would be more empowered and be on a path to enlightenment, or what the Bible calls ascension which is what he would probably say is just the activation of the pineal gland and the ascension of your consciousness rather than a physical being ascending to a place called heaven. I know you're way more into this topic than I am—the mythology, the mysticism, the astrology You get a lot more out of that than I do. It resonates with you a lot more than it does me That's why I'm glad you're here on this on this conversation I think you face a bit of resistance when you make those type of statements online when I see it But you do a pretty good job of handling it and bringing it back to To bring it, you do a pretty good job of bringing people around I think to at least entertaining the concept

13:59 Yeah, I mean the whole point is to try to say things that are true whether or not they're objectively true for everybody and really scientific and repeatable. With your own insight there's spiritual tools you know? A lot of Buddhist texts talk about the same things like the power of focused concentration, mindfulness and how just contemplation can be like a almost like an extra sensory form of perception. Like just thinking about events in your life or thinking about choices that you made, or thinking about coincidences the way they lined up You can like I don't know it feels like you can find truth like true statements pop out of it And thats part of meaning generation

14:58 I don't know, making the mundane things seem really insightful. Yeah i'm open to that idea and I love to play with it in my own life finding synchronicities finding coincidences developing a meaning from them but it's almost just like um a pastime or a thought exercise I don't actually There's some disconnect with me where I don't believe it. I do it, and I pay attention to it and feel open to it but I felt no effect from Reiki or meditation or crystals or gemstones. And you know...I feel like I've given a fair shake and it just doesn't do it for me

15:45 I feel like with coincidences and sequence of events in your life, that has... the gateway for me is really recognizing that you are also your environment. You're your body but you're also the environment the body is in and Santos gets into this it's kind of like the idea that this is all one process I think it's what they were trying to say with the Tao, that we're all in this together. We use words to distinguish what we are and we use our bodies to kind of like identify with a certain time and place. You're trained your whole life if you feel like the mythology of Catholicism but also with school and estate and everything. You're treated like a little robot with a manufacturing date.

16:36 You just, I don't know decay over time and your parts wear out and they're just replaceable. And all of this idea is to drive the idea home that you are some little object and you are not the whole experience like some people say you're part of everything or like without me the whole rest of universe wouldn't exist but Alan Watts used a term which is goes with it's like you go with the Sun you go with Saturn and Mars and Mercury all these things have always existed simultaneously

17:16 Human life and therefore human life goes with them. They are all part of the same process so their individual meanings start to become like Once you dig into what that could mean and what yeah I don't know like it even goes back to sacred G Like what different numbers mean when the number two? represents like duality and stuff like that It is weird but i do like that alan watts explanation of everything's connected as you know he says you know you are god you are the universe will be like oh well if im god then how to shine the sun. He said what was the same way beat your heart the same way you work your thyroid gland no it's all the same thing u r doing at,

18:03 Subconsciously the whole universe is manifest in itself and breathing in its own way and rotating spinning. And doing all the things that the universe does it just doesn't there isn't a conscious thought behind it and that's the same way you control your liver you process food, You know all these things your body's doing while you're going about your nine to five and that some powerful shit man it's keeping you alive. And you're doing it always and never paying any attention to it and its the same with the way the universe is doing, It's goings on apparently you know it's all part of one thing I feel like thats a pretty decent explanation or good thought. That's great thought

18:48 Yeah, Alan Watts is a badass man. I love listening to that guy actually sent Fernando home with probably 15 CDs worth of Watts lectures it's gotta be 30 hours maybe more he has to me my favorite lecturer probably of all time i just love his diction the way his voice sounds and yeah you know how clever and light-hearted he is when he gives us talks I was just reading his last book The Watercourse Way He was in the process of writing it and it had to be finished by one of his friends and fellow students.

19:27 But, it's really interesting. I love this whole concept of Taoism. It's like the one eternal flow ... he calls it the water course way because that is his best description of it. It's just a flow like water. It's never the same. It's always changing and moving and that underlying now—the now-now-now—that always keeps getting refreshed and is slightly different than the previous now That thing, that process that just keeps on going he calls it the Tao and its similar to the whole thing with DMT. I feel like thats what you get in touch with is the eternal unspeakable all patterns come from it but its impossible to contextualize, its impossible to put into words, its impossible to put into symbols all symbols come from IT

20:26 That was a thought that I did have, that internal voice in the back of your head. It's holding on during the journey. I did have the thought when i was seeing some crazy visuals my mind was saying to me okay now you're seeing everything that ever happened at one moment. You're seeing everything that has ever existed and three-dimensional space within your peripherals. Now you are seeing everything! Yeah it is what it was just craziness Yeah, it's you just you delve into those deep waters. You get Wet and then you just come back and you're like what the hell happened It's a wild thing And I'd have to do it way more To feel like I could talk about it in any kind of educated way there was just such an off-putting experience such a foreign experience but Positive one nonetheless all right well looks like today's guest is almost ready

21:24 His name is Santos Bonacci. He's talking to us from Melbourne, Australia Funny thing man conspiracies have actually been doing really well in Australia It's like every fifth shirt I ship is to Australia and I feel bad because the shipping cost is so high it's like $9.95 flat on the site for international shipping but to ship to Australia It's actually like 13 bucks But I don't mind making up the difference but damn even paying 10 bucks to ship a twenty dollar shirt is pretty rough and i appreciate that people like them enough to put up with that shit apologize on behalf of the international parcel delivery infrastructure it's a piece of shit but thanks to those people uh... oh i did also want mention this on the subject of australian conspiracies purchasers i'd just got this email from this guy named stewart he bought

22:13 the quit your job tee which is an image of a man or for the full effect it's supposed to be homeless man holding the typical cardboard sign but instead of begging for anything, it says quit your job. It's one my favorite shirts and it's a fuck you to the system or align with the theme that our guest Santos speaks about often. It's call for peaceful non-compliance to this system but anyway I always throw in some conspiracies business cards with the shirts. I throw them in there and this guy, Stuart wrote me this email says thanks Gregg. I distributed your cards to all my colleagues at work the next day I quit my job your work is having a positive impact best regards isn't that the shit man? That is some powerful shit! Stuart in Australia thanks for being a fan of the show and for buying some shirts I'm envious of your courage and your freedom really you're badass man fuck

26:36 And today we're going to explore that framework by examining the language, bureaucracy and allegories that have been put before us to confuse and distract people from the true reality. I can think of no better person to help us explore lies in a lot of these areas than teach about truth that's been denied than the man with us today. He has studied this material for over 30 years and he lays a lot of it out in his great presentations and lectures hosted on his website, universaltruthschool.com all the way from Melbourne Australia Santos Benachi Santos welcome to THC Thank you very much thank you kindly Absolutely man is real pleasure I've been digesting your lectures for awhile now they're very engaging cover a lot of material there's a lot of things i hope we can touch on

27:20 I thought a good place to start is with this short little paragraph that I found in the description of your Reclaiming Dominion lecture. The inventions from the kingdom of ideas that is Rome are the Gregorian calendar, the Latin language capitalism fictional Christianity democracy canon law maritime law phony money and the corporation all up above our fictional creations of the elite families in the world through which Rome has subjugated enslaved a whole inhabited earth. Wow! That is a powerful paragraph can you elaborate on some of that for us?

27:58 Yeah, well Rome has been at it for a long time and in particular the elites. These families have amassed wealth and kept it in their family lines for a long, long time that's the secret of their control over the rest of mankind It's the wealth you see they can buy all the support they need And these families actually got the coup of the century last century in 1913 when they got their new charter. They had two previous charters in the United States, but this was the third charter of the private central bankers and the families were all represented there you know? The Rothschilds and Rockefellers and Morgans were all there, the Warburg's, the Schiff's, they were all there and they charted the Federal Reserve

28:55 and so through that Rome has controlled the masses because it is a Jesuit organization. It's run by the Jesuits and by Vatican, they run everything really They sort of do everything behind-the-scenes it's a shadowy cabal this Roman elite world that we live under One thing that must be understood is it's not just the money component that controls mankind and its not just, and its not the political and positive law that comes from Rome but ah...the third branch would be the religious side of it. The ecclesiastical system runs, is behind all of this. They run the courts

29:50 They run even the politics because for instance, your local councils and everything like that obey the parishes. It's not the other way around you know? Yeah, so the land that we live on is parish and council or you know we could call that the political part of the aspect of the corporation. You see I don't know what to have there in your country but here we have councils municipalities that you know in America there's boroughs counties... The Jesuits

30:35 the political system. So it's all ecclesiastical, when you go to court you're going to a bank and the judge is an ordinary which is an officer of the Inquisition He has to his right or to his left, he will have a clerk which is nothing other than a cleric. And that's the most powerful man in the court by the way – the clerk. Of course I've exposed this in my presentations at length

31:11 How the whole thing is about paying indulgences and the scribe and notaries are the ones who write the indulgences because that's what scribe in a notary means. It means a writer of indulgence, so every summons and every piece of court document is actually they are And it's all ecclesiastical. So the elites have got it down pat, they know how to control the masses It's political...it's financial and its religious and that's-and it's all run by Rome I mean, it's really fascinating One thing I've heard you talk about before that I hope you can elaborate on is the truth behind The birth certificate You know? I always thought it was a little silly That we needed it but apparently there's an underlying meaning To why it exists

32:06 Yeah, well it's supposed to be a protection for the individual legally but because the bank system has usurped the natural organic government if there ever was such thing. I mean people do still believe that the first constitution of 1778 was really, really an authentic organic document to just not to establish the rights because they are God-given but to declare the rights of the individual and so they think it was a fair organic document whereas other researchers beg to differ. They suggest that it was you know just something for the elites

32:56 to protect their wealth and but but they made it appear to be a constitution in the Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence and all of those the Articles of Independence or And whatnot which spawned the Republic, but see what happened was there was the 1871 incident and that's after ten years of amending the constitution and all sorts of things from eighty one to sixty-one to eighteen seventy one, that decade that Abraham Lincoln lived in they defined the person. They redefined person you see? And they gave corporations personhood. Then in eighteen seventy one of course

33:45 the new government in DC. You see? And that's the Vatican government, so in that decade the Vatican came back to take its rightful place because from their perspective they were the ones who funded... The elite families funded all of the first ships that came over and established colonies and companies and what have you, and so therefore they continue to see that as their property. That's why the New World was always considered to be the property of England or the property of France or of Holland – these conquering countries but behind them all was the Vatican because they had the so-called treaties like the Treaty

34:39 Torresillas, I hope i got that right. Yeah torresillas! I usually say Torresillas and people pull me up But anyway yeah the treaty there where the Pope of the time? I think it might have been Alexander The one they're making in the current movie about the Borja Pope he was Spanish And um I think it was him that one and they signed this treaty and in in 1493 and gave the lands to between the Vatican families, whoever they are and the so-called Columbus families. And that's the contract and they always defer back to that. So this ownership thing where I tell you can go get a plot of land

35:32 which they call a lot and allotment, go and grab that and we'll give you a title. And you can own it." Well it's an illusion because They really don't give their property up that easy. So they know, from behind the scenes from on top of the system they control it all because they have the treaties and contracts you see? And the Vatican has a contract that trumps them all! All of them and thats the Holy See, The Crown and The Commonwealth

36:09 These were well established in the days of Constantine and even further back in the days of the Flavians, and even back further into the days of the Julians. So this is a 2,000 year old thing! Rome is a kingdom of ideas and it's about to fall. And all of the ideas we're still using them they are draconian, they are antiquated They come from an old way of thinking. It's the old order This is why they keep trying to sell us the new world order because what they're trying to do is give us another version Of Rome, another...the fourth Reich you see? The first Reich was was Rome The second Reich was the Holy Roman Empire which lasted for a thousand years from Charlemagne to Napoleon's time

36:59 And then the Third Reich, well so-called Third Reich of Hitler to establish a third because he went in league with the Vatican. He signed a concordant with the Vatican with Pope Picelli and at that time Cardinal Picelli of course and that was the Third Reich in other words Rome Mark III But Rome doesn't go away that easily unless the Vatican is totally dismantled and thrown into the abyss, which it will be. We'll never get rid of this control system and the way it works and everything. It's all Roman. It's a kingdom of ideas And it's the last great materialistic beast to fall before peace can come on this planet

37:54 Well, I was hopeful that we were in the midst of that when the Pope retired because it was such an unprecedented move. But you know typically i'm very cynical that will get over these kind of things because I just don't see The awakening happening on a level that I feel like it should but you know you've presented some information that you think this is This Age of Awakening is something that... it's beyond us. It's something that we are going to go through regardless if we want to or not, there is a mechanism there in the universe that would put us through that time Is that kind of correct? Is that what you found? Yes this is a process this is the way the universe gets things done I mean everything ascends like distillery, like water

38:44 The Sun in the solar system is able to draw the molecules of water and separate them, and is able to cause the water which is quite heavy but just the rays. The warm rays of the Sun in the atmosphere pull the water up and cause the clouds And the philosophers explained that this is how the Sun draws souls. The Sun, the solar, is not only the chief vital force of the solar system but it's the chief spiritual force. It's the spirit part of our nature and it draws the souls and all souls that have incarnated in this solar system

39:23 will ascend. Except for of course so-called evil souls that are wilfully destructive and very, very intent on doing harm to others but... And this is called the cycle of necessity we are all on the cycle of necessity We're all at a different stage development and growth and evolution spiritually No one person is same or at the same level And that's because we are on the cycle of necessity. And in the scriptures, in particular... Look I think it might be Matthew chapter 16 if I'm not wrong

40:04 where it talks about an owner of a vineyard, he contracted some workers for one denarii to work for a day which was to the value of the day's labor. But it is beautiful parable and explains how we reincarnate in this cycle of necessity and how we graduate from this cycle as we do good work So some are ascending quicker than others and the only reason we have holy scriptures and holy saint-like people in history is to push that process along, but it's going to happen naturally anyway. All things will be drawn to the Creator... to the light

40:53 But the parable is beautiful because it speaks how the owner of the vineyard went into town and contracted other laborers to go out and work in the vineyard. Some started at midday, some started at the third hour of the afternoon, and some started at the last hour to work. And they were all contracted with the same amount of money So, when it came time at the end of the day to pay the workers, the ones that came last that only did an hour of work they were paid the same money as the ones who were employed from the morning. And so the ones who were employed in the morning complained to the master and said, but Master you know we've been working all day! And then these guys only rocked up an hour ago and they get the same amount of money?

41:46 Am I doing you an injustice? Didn't we contract for one piece of money at the end of the day and that's what i'm giving him. And so this is a beautiful parable which explains that some reincarnate, and perhaps only take a few thousand years to find themselves, do good work and reascend whereas others linger in limbo or purgatory, or call it hell. The lower regions for a longer time. Celsus, the second century philosopher in his book Against the Christians, the true logos, the true word he mentions there that Empedocles spoke about 30 thousand years

42:40 as the average period of the cycle of necessity for each soul to be able to learn their... well, not necessarily learn their lessons but remember who they are. Experience all the things that the Creator wishes us to experience through their soul and then return and ascend! And so being a sovereign —for want of a better word I'll use sovereign because it still does contain its true essential meaning— The sovereignty movement and the lawful movement, see people have discovered now that they have been subjected to positive law or man-made law and not natural law. And so they're opening their eyes and beginning to see this and demanding that we return to this beautiful natural

43:30 way of law, do no harm. We don't need thousands and thousands of laws... well that's even laws but we have enactments and statutes and bylaws and codes and people are getting thrown into jail through these codes you know? Right! Endless bureaucracy. Oh it's ridiculous It is man. Let's back it up a little bit because of all the lies and cover-ups that we've been victim to, you said the biggest lie is the Jesus Savior story and Kyle I both got stuck going to Catholic school growing up We realized that this story was bullshit Realized pretty early on but your work has brought me back around to the idea that rather than Christianity in the Jesus motif just being a mechanism for control

44:21 It might also disguise some underlying ancient truth that's been purposely weeded off the planet. Can you walk us through a bit of that lie and how the truth is coded in the Bible and in Christianity? Yeah, for sure! Look, the Gospels are nothing other than sacred writings based on the workings of light. This is why The Gospel of John in particular, the first chapter talks about Jesus coming to the world and the light which was from above. And those from below did not recognize that light etc., etc... So it's dealing with light

45:04 And sometimes Jesus or the Christ takes on the character of the Son, sometimes it takes on the archetype of the higher consciousness. But all of the characters... every single individual character in the Bible except for post-... what's that called when they They put things in, what's the word? In retrospect. Yeah stuff they added way later. So like for instance the name of Quirinius the governor of Syria, the name Pontius Pilate these occur in history this was done by the well

45:50 I think the Flavians did that. You see, these are documents that are based on light but they are slightly mutilated what happens is Gospels are written by philosophers, astronomers wise men and women who understand that the only gospel there is, is the one in the stars you know? The 12 signs of the zodiac are the twelve apostles or the twelve apostles Notice the word post in apostles. Notice the word disc in disciples It's all dealing with the disc of The Zodiac and so as you begin to look upward and pay attention To the glorious works of the Creator then you begin to realize that the only gospel there is, Is the gospel of The Zodiac

46:40 and the Son is the Christ who does his work with his 12 apostles. And so bringing about the seasons, and the harvest, and the wine, and the bread... two symbols of Christianity! So these gospels what happens is When Egypt is ruling the world 4,000 years ago the hero of the gospel is Osiris and his helpers have their separate respective names and they go helping that Lord. And you know he's the one that brings vitality and spirituality and goodness to the people of Egypt but what happens

47:24 Then Greece comes along and they also historize their documents. Plutarch in the first century, the priest of Delphi he said that there was a certain guy called Ephemeris and he said this idiot Ephemeris went around the globe collecting myths and legends and historicizing them and bringing them down to earth and making them literal human heroes. And this is where we get the expression, and Christianity is suffering with this! They have also been deceived... The Roman elite have deceived them they've created the greatest Ponzi tax collecting scheme in history because all of the IRS rest assured I can prove this

48:20 I won't be able to do it in an hour, but I can prove this. The IRS are collecting money for Jesus rest assured. It's all about Jesus. It's all about the historical Jesus that never came and never will return. It's the literal rendering... You see even the Bible itself tells you that the letter of the word is putting to death But the spirit of the Word is vivifying because people who only understand the Scriptures literally suffer with a blindness, spiritual blindness. Because there is much more to these documents than meets the eye and this story that's in there is clear and it's only clear to people who have ascended their light and done good work

49:17 and who can see with the mind's eye. And these people become what are termed and categorized as witches, heretics, astrologers, seers... And they are branded as lunatics and they are ostracised because they're not belonging to the orthodox way. A lot of them end up in psychic war wards of mental institutions because the powers that be want that. You see, they want these people out of the way, out of sight and they've been persecuted since Hypatia even back you know we've had these luminaries that have come Socrates Seneca all these were put to death Boethius Giordano Bruno Pico della Mirandola

50:16 All of these guys were teaching exactly the same thing as I am. I'm not original at all, you know? I'm just standing on their shoulders and I feel like an idiot when I speak compared to them because I'm just a baby novice student of the great knowing ones of the past There's two kinds of philosophers that are idolized in this world. There're thinking ones, you know these intellectual types with their great theories they're thinking men you know? Great men of critical thinking rational men philosophers They basically just idiots You know Men like Darwin full of theories no truth No real knowledge because it is based on his senses All the information he gathered was based on his five senses

51:09 And Walter Russell says that this is imperial reductionism. Is that right? I'm just having a bit of a… I don't know, man! Well what I am trying to say is that they are gathering their information by what they observe with the senses – it's not knowing. Right So you see so this one kind of philosopher Nobel Prizes and awards and all sorts of things. These philosophers are glorified in the universities today, whereas the true knowing philosophers like Pythagoras, Orpheus, Plato—these men we seem to treat them now in the universities like, oh yeah, a bit

51:53 strange kind of people, those people. But you know they've got some genius about them but it's the thinking ones these days that are praised you know this is why we have Hegelian dialectic and we have Malthusian schemes because they get their...the elites get their teachings from their favorite thinking philosophers. Absolutely! Darwin and Maltheus, and these guys you see. Rather than getting them from the Hermes' and the Jesus's because when you read the Gospels... And by the way one thing must be said we know that the words of Jesus are not the writings of Jesus do we not? Right! Because nowhere in the Bible does it say this is what Jesus wrote

52:45 Whereas Matthew, Mark Luke and John all say... And Luke in particular says I gathered this information from hearsay. Those Gospels are all hearsay. Luke heard from someone and wrote down the Gospel right? So this is another way that we can really truthfully see with our minds eyes and with our hearts that know all truth that the Bible is a literary work because no one's owning up to have written any stuff in there. Well Moses is, but Moses it's a different kettle of fish Here we have the Savior the one that truly truly came to save mankind supposedly turned up here for 33 years but didn't write anything said a lot of stuff

53:41 And so now it's all hearsay. So it is very convenient to do it that way, you know this is the way you can control because then you can twist the words Mm-hmm. And you see because it's all hearsay It does seem that it's an instrumental aspect of the European expansion was always to stamp out the The culture of the people they were dominating and those cultures usually had a more natural view of the world, but I've heard you talk about Jesus as just symbolizing the Sun is that Correct. I mean our son, of course. Our son yes in particular that's the Savior the Lord that rises Look every eye shall see him I shall return the way I departed because when the Sun sets you turn around 12 hours later and there it is rising You know its if the risen Savior why do we have these expressions?

54:37 Why is the resurrection of Jesus celebrated in March, April in the sign of the Lamb, Ares? Because it's the Lamb. Jesus IS the Lamb...it's the sun! When the sun reaches Ares, it's the Lamb of God. When it reaches Leo, it's the Lion of the tribe of Judah. The scepter shall not depart from that sign. Leo rules the Zodiac. It's the hottest month of the year When it reaches the sign of Aquarius, it's the son of man. When it reaches the sign of Pisces, its' the fisherman of men. When it reaches Taurus, it is The Rock. Taurus has always been known as The Rock! When it reaches Gemini, it's The Twin

55:22 There are many paintings in Byzantine art that depicts Jesus as a twin because it's Gemini. The sun in Gemini is a twin, then when Jesus the son reaches cancer... It's the scarab and my Lord the scarab! How many church fathers say Jesus is a scarab? He's a beetle. He's my beetle. He's my holy, holy beetle because beetle is the sign of... the scarab is the crab of cancer then when it reaches Virgo, it's the one that serves. Virgo is the sign of service and so the Pisces-Virgo axis of the equinoxes that we've been under for the last 2,000 years... The Sun has been in Pisces for 2000 years, the vernal equinox and the autumnal equinox its opposite has been in Virgo this has been two thousand years of Christian, the fishermen, Jesus, Jupiter Zeus

56:17 and Virgo, the age of service. The age of belief and doubt because one fish believes in one fish doubts. And so when the sun arrives at the sign of Libra it's the just one who has come to judge because Libra is the middle of the year It's the middle of the sine wave. 23rd September is the other equinox So it's virtually 180 degrees from Aries, the start. So it's the middle of the circle and it judges then when the Sun reaches Scorpio it becomes the... be cautious as doves and wise as serpents because the dove and the serpent are two animals of Scorpio Then when the Sun comes into Sagittarius

57:14 It is the one who says, I have come to divide the world because the arrow of Sagittarius on 21st December, the solstice, the shortest day of the year where Sagittarius is pointing with his arrow. That's the dividing mark That's the solstice. Sagittarius is there at the solstice pointing to it and waiting for the 21st of December, the solstice for the sun and I have come to divide the world then when the Sun is in Capricorn its the carpenter because the motto of Capricorn is I create, I use and it's the Masonic symbol The goat And you see we have the complete

58:01 the wheel, King Arthur and his 12 knights of the round table. Jesus and His 12 disc eyeballs! And so when you look at Leonardo da Vinci's Last Supper, you see Jesus is in the middle of twelve disciples six to his right six to his left they are grouped further into groups of three So on Jesus's left, on your left as you look at the Last Supper You see Ares to the left with his hands on the table At the head of the table No other disciple is at the head of the table All the other eleven are behind the table Because Ares is in the head It's in the head of the human organism Pisces is that feet The two feet. If you follow Leonardo from Ares from the left

58:51 you will see that he has thrown in some ciphers, very conveniently for the ones with eyes to see of course. And you will notice every single individual apostle from the left to the right from Aries to Pisces... You'll see secret hand positions that indicate that Leonardo da Vinci knew who the disciples were Wow. Aries, Taurus, Gemini... In fact when you get to the third... You can do this right now you can Google The Last Supper and go to images and you look at the third disciple from the left and you'll see that he's sitting there with his two hands in front of his face almost obscuring his face

59:44 Yes, well because the two twins Gemini. The third sign is Gemini it rules the arms and the hands the shoulders and the two lungs Yeah I'm looking at it right now that's pretty interesting he's got both his hands up palms up And to Jesus left you will see a green Venetian ruler of Libra with her arms outstretched why is that very effeminate looking Apostle stretching out his arms. Is he yawning? Is he tired or is she because it's Venus and to Jesus' right is Virgo and Cancer is pointing to the Adam's apple showing that there is no Adam's apple in this disciple, it must be a woman well it is...it's the Virgin And so these knowing ones Leonardo was not thinking

1:00:34 philosopher. No, no, no! He was a knowing one he knew the science and he was conveying that through his art to the world leaving them a message saying one day when the Enlightenment comes in five or six hundred years when Saturn returns in the age of Aquarius and Uranus you will understand this picture and you'll know where I'm coming from You will know that I knew the science of all sciences called the perennial philosophy That's fascinating stuff, man. Yeah that you know that definitely painted a little bit of a picture for me but one other thing I really wanted to get to it's probably a slightly lengthy topic so we should probably try to get it in the ascension story and the whole ascension into heaven story is an analogy for human enlightenment how does this relate to the pineal gland? yeah well in the Bible the pineal gland is called Pinolel and that's the place that Jacob

1:01:35 the place where he saw God face to face and he called that place Pinuel, which is just a play on the word pineal. It's the pineal gland because Jacob when he ascended the ladder had a dream He placed his head on a stone That's the Stone of Scone or the Sacrum which is the second most bottom portion spinal column, the vertebrae. The 33 vertebrae there are five bones that are fused just above the coccyx which are composed of four fused bones and this is called the sacred part of the spinal column and this is where Jacob lays his head and then he sees a ladder which is the spinal column

1:02:27 and he sees angels descending and ascending, he ascends the ladder, struggles with an angel gets a name change to Israel. Then he says I've seen God face-to-face because he has lived not died, he declares the name Pineal. So what this is secretly talking about in the esoteric understanding of the scriptures is that we are ascending the beautiful oil which is called in, if you look at Sante's anatomy or Gray's anatomy it will be called chrism. The fluid in the cerebrospinal system which is produced in the claustrum in the cerebellum... in the cerebrum

1:03:19 This oil descends down to the sacrum and then ascends through the spinal system, the cerebrospinal system. Returns to the optic thalamus at the top of the medulla oblongata and this is the chamber. This is called the chamber you see? Yeah this for instance the initiation chamber, the third ventricle in Sante's anatomy The third ventricle is the cave of Brahma and this is where, once the oil ascends... The pineal gland is there see at one end of the optic thalamus and at the other end is the pituitary gland. So when the oil ascends and reaches these glands electric energy arcs in the pineal gland and this electric energy is sent through the foreamen in the fornix

1:04:18 There's a special little place in the midbrain and it is called the fornix. Once this electrical arcing reaches the fornix, this is illumination. The pineal gland produces a new secretion which is called the blood of Christ which saves and this balances the blood, the chemical composition of the blood and restores the health of the individual. And activates the dormant brain cells in the cerebrum... This is what is called the resurrection of the dead, the dead shall rise because the dead refers to the spiritually dead. No one is saved

1:05:06 quote unquote, unless they have restored themselves to their higher processes. To their higher state and remembered who they are. And is there a way we can work on that? On an individual level? Meditation and, and entheogens would be sort of more synthetic way of doing that but entheogens are certainly admissible. I actually just had my first DMT experience not more than 10 days ago Yeah, well it's an artificial way of inducing the whole experience of ascending the consciousness but certainly do not neglect your meditation. And yes restore yourself to your higher mind by going within and once you know you...the light is restored

1:06:02 You become clairvoyant. You don't become so much a medium of this information, you become a clairvoyant and you know this information. You have direct access to this information and you have downloads...you know, you have downloads of understanding And so, what you do is you shed your lower perspective of seeing the world. For instance when you get in an airplane how many things have been discovered by traveling in airplanes? All those pyramids in Mesoamerica were discovered. The Nazca lines in Peru were discovered

1:06:39 by raising the perspective, there are things on the ground that you just don't see. This is why the pineal gland must be reached because along the cerebrospinal system there are seven plexuses or nerve ganglions and these are called chakras in the eastern system and they correspond to the seven levels of consciousness seeing things from the bottom chakra, our perspective is different from at the elevated higher consciousness of the pineal area and the crown chakra. So this is why we need to ascend the oil and we need to be ascended and raise our perspective then we see things more clearly We see that the anthropomorphic Jesus in the Bible is not a literal character

1:07:34 It does not find its place anywhere in history. It's a literary character and finds its place in our hearts This is why Jesus never did write anything He is the inspiration of the Gospels We are creators, we have the creating faculty And so has the solar system Therefore this is what we call God This is what we call Jesus The Saviour Our solar system because it is the local part of God, the Creator, the Cause which loves us and nurtures us. And so we love it because we have only... We have only love for God's creation and the stars above are creators and we love them

1:08:26 And does not Job, the book of the Bible talk about the morning stars how they rejoiced and they applauded the creation? The physical creation of God. Because because the morning stars are the sun's it is talking about the sun's They are the creators! The light... the electrical vibration that emanates from their magnetic centers create forms and we see those forms and we congratulate those forms. They are beautiful! Man loves to see the curves of the beautiful opposite-sexed female, and the female loves to see the virulence in the magnificence of the masculine virility you know? The masculine fire body... And they meet together and they have sex and then make love

1:09:18 and they enter the higher consciousness, depending on how they practice their sex. If they are what's considered to be fornicators and adulterers you know they will just indulge in lower bestial type of sex but if they have affection and love and are more principled in their love They will, rather than practicing earthy type animalistic sex they will practice divine sex. And they will raise the vibration and the oil of the chrism Christ up the Kundalini from a fucus in Scorpio one of the deacons of Scorpio in the generative system up to the optic thalamus which is Orion

1:10:09 So, a fucus one when we practice sex we are stimulating the serpents of a fucus. The Kundalini and the Kundalbatha and we are raising the energy and oil up the spine because the cerebrospinal fluid is really a gas really it's fish it's the oil its the manna It's the Soma Its' the good oil Its' the bread I am the bread of life Bread And so as we ascended and we practice more divine sex in the head, we raise the vibration of our sexual practices. Then we have orgasms in the head rather than in the testes which is actually discharging the electric and magnetic forces

1:11:04 of the organism. I'm not condemning this and no one condemns this, but it's just a different orgasm. The ones that practice more sort of tantric sex and raise the energy they have what is called a pneumatic or spiritual orgasm which is an orgasm in the mind. These are far more sustained than physical The physical orgasm is fleeting, but here one is able to experience their own blissful God-like nature. This is why animals and human beings that have physical orgasms rather than spiritual orgasms desire to have the orgasm because they want to know and experience their true, true nature and get in touch with it

1:11:59 But the philosopher, he declines from... He or she declines from having this type of orgasm and seeks the one beyond the physical which is more emotional than spiritual than mystical. There's four levels there's the physical orgasm there's the emotional there's the spiritual and the mystical And they have to do with earth water air and fire And so when you realise and understand this science, you begin to free yourself. You will know the truth and the truth will set you free. Churchgoers are bound. This is what church means. Religion, relegare is one derivative of religion. The other one...

1:12:51 Well, it would be to reveal the doctrines of truth. And so there's always a spiritual and physical nature to religion and this is why people hate religion because they see it as a physical thing...a mechanism and they say religions which are just corporations Yes Yeah they can't be anything but corporations Because Christ is and always will be the Christ within Colossians 1, 26 and 27. Only the ignorant ones according to the Apostle Paul do not know this sacred secret and hence are awaiting for an external Savior The Christ is the process of the chrism and ascending the oil in the consciousness within One saves oneself

1:13:39 Within and this is why Christ is known as the Savior when you talk up these energies rising it reminds me a lot of the coiled Serpent energy and this connection with the serpent and also with sex and the feminine I think with Christianity in particular their origin story in Genesis, you know the scene with Adam and Eve and the serpent and Yahweh and the tree of life. I think it It is meant in a certain way to diminish the feminine, to diminish sex and then they instill with their morals all this shame about sex. So it seems like there's an intentional effort to move us away from this... Only from the controlling elite The intent isn't in the scriptures themselves These are literary beautiful truths And their beauty has been

1:14:35 It's bastardized. Exactly, beautiful word. There you go and that has been done intentionally by the pedophile elite who want nothing more than to control people through all these corporate religions. They are all fictional. They all only exist in the imaginations of the duped that go to these churches and there are, I believe now 30 thousand registered Christian so-called denominations All of them are false they're all condemning each other and they're all telling you if you listen that their all going to hell because

1:15:17 The Mormons are saying that the Seventh-day Adventists will do and the Seventh-day Adventist is telling you that the Pentecostals will. And so they all will And so what we have is a system of great, great deception. And who does it serve? It serves the controlling elite and what for? Is this the world they want where they have to invade other countries with their partners and they perform operations? Libya was two years ago when they

1:15:56 they decided to go into Libya to kill Colonel Gaddafi. That was an operation and Hillary Clinton was selling that as our partners, these are corporate crimes You see, these days these corporations, these partners they get together and they go around invading other countries to steal their oil and to steal their freedoms and to install central Rothschild-run Rockefeller run Vatican Jesuit run central banks. Whoever doesn't comply falls. And so there's murder and bloodshed in country after another. Look at Argentina in the 70s, and Chile in the 70s. Look at Indonesia... Yeah look at Vietnam! Look at Korea! Look at... Time and time again. Iraq and Afghanistan. This is just corporate bloodshed Is this the world that they want? Do they want to be the rulers of shit?!

1:16:57 Because that's it. Yes, they're the rulers so well they must congratulate themselves and feel very proud of themselves when they go to their Bilderberg meetings and there is Kissinger at one table and there is the other imbecile – what's his name? The other idiot who founded the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and they would be congratulating these types, the Kissinger types. They'd be congratulating themselves at the Bilderbergs for being the controllers of all this you know in their think tanks in there meetings when they get together to control...to be the controllers of all this shit so you know congratulations! Barack Obama gets a Nobel Prize for being one of the powerful boys ruling over this world

1:17:50 There are security cameras everywhere. Before you board a plane these days, you've got to go through full body scanners. They want to put their fingers up your bum to see if you have some sort of cracker or dynamite up there. They want to feel what's in your pants and they want to control everything. We're tired of this and even the elites are tired of this now, and there's many of them defecting and wishing for a better world. Why would you want to be... why would you disempower the world so that they distrust you and hate banksters? And hate, um, y'know, the controlling elite? Wouldn't you want to be loved?"

1:18:32 Why don't they just let go of this controlling system and the pedophilia, people trafficking, guns trafficking and everything because it's a world that is full of turmoil and trauma. They get to be called the bosses over it. Well guess what? They're going to be pushed aside and new consciousness will take over. That will be one where self-determination Number one, of knowing ourselves. Number two, of tolerance, forbearance, love, generosity – to have a currency not a fictional currency where ruling elite derive their wealth from

1:19:25 financial benefit by just loading interest on it. We can have a currency of love, I can say to your brother you know what? I'll do an hour on your show how's that and you know I'll do that on Thursday when Thursday turns up and I'll stick to my word true and that's pretty good currency You know, people benefit from that. I do! I've benefited from it and so you rock up a sack of potatoes and give it to your pumpkin farmer down the road... There's only abundance there are no shortages. The Bilderbergers and the trilateralists in the Council on Foreign Relations

1:20:08 The UN, these are all criminal corporations that are just giving you services other than the abundance that is already there. They're out there to tell you that this shortages. Yes they work hard. Yeah and now give your science false signs to back it up and I'll say this shortage of air so you got a pay carbon tax. This shortage fossil fuel so you got paid $3 a gallon at the tap. Everything's short and yet I don't see shortages, I see abundance everywhere! I think a lot of people are starting to realize that, that the scarcity is a bit of an illusion and especially with things like 3D printers. I mean, 3d printers if they can print any normal object... That right there it's like how do you charge for that when you're able to create infinite amounts of spatulas and plates and whatever you need? Everything is there for our taking It's there this is why the original

1:21:08 sanction and blessing to humanity is everything. There's many trees in the garden that I've planted, eat to satisfaction. What that means is there is abundance everywhere. Multiply yourselves is the blessing from the universe of light. Not to restrict, not to limit, not to have limitations and shortages. There's no restrictions, so governments are there to restrict. So we need to really deal with this fictional invention and these Ponzi schemes, the whole lot lock stock and barrel. As I said before you can go back to Constantine's family when late in the fourth century they discovered what was called The Donation of Constantine look it up The Donation of Constantine is Peter's Pence

1:22:08 This is where they get their ecclesiastical authority to go around charging taxes through the IRS and the ATO, and all of these criminal organisations. It's Peters Pence! It's nothing other than Peters Pence. Rest assured... rest assured and know this one universal truth you owe no money to anybody there is NO ORGANISATION that exists, because they don't exist. They're corporations, they're corpses and have no existence outside of paper cannot receive anything through not having any existence and therefore we are free, you see? We are free to keep all of our resources and energy and currency to ourselves. Absolutely! So yet do not communicate with these illegal blood-shedding entities called governments they're another creature they're separate to us

1:23:14 rapidly descending into the abyss with all their fictions with them. So learn, know who you are and know that we are all that is, all that was and all whatever will be. And so it's time to kiss goodbye the Roman fictions that have been invented perpetuated by the Roman elite because after all that's what they are. Look at all the presidents of the United States, they're all one big family of cousins. Obama is related to Bush and yeah, they're all related and Bush declares... They tell you that they come from these... From the Stuarts, from the Windsors, from the Plantagenets, from the Tudors and they tell you and there are families

1:24:09 are the controlling elite and they are inbred pedophile, people trafficking pirate families who are behind all of the crime all of that terrorism and vandalism on the earth. And we need to deal with them so there you go brother. Well said man yeah we've gone a little long I don't want to take up any more your time I do appreciate you know i feel like i can see through the corruption and manipulation we do that on our own show a lot but, im a bit spiritually retarded or constipated for little better term. But uh... You know alot of teachers and leaders and guests that have had say this is where the road leads to uh... there's no sense in uncovering lies if your not willing to deal with truth

1:25:00 And you've had some eye-opening revelations during this conversation. I really appreciate it, man! If there's anything else you want to point out to the people let them know what your website is once again? Is there anything else you're working on? For the UK listeners, I'll be doing nine engagements all through the UK starting in the north near Scotland going all the way down to Glastonbury So that'll be all of August. Check out my website, www.universaltruthschool.com for the UK listeners Also I will be going to Italy before that at the end of July. I do four days in Florence Four days presenting sovereignty, syncretism, the science of light astrology astrotheology and then in September Holland and Italy

1:25:50 So, if anyone wants to catch that. That's what new in the syncretism world for me. Alright! Well there you have it people. Thanks again for being with us Santos. Enjoy the rest of your evening. Thank you brother. Keep fighting the good fight. Bye bye Wow man, okay. Kyle how was that? I know you're more into the esoteric and mystic than i am at this stage of the game but was there anything in there that resonated with you It was a lot of information to take in and a lot of the systems he was talking about in this conversation, I had never heard them put quite that way such as Ares is the head and Gemini the lungs. I can see connections but it's almost a whole different language than what I'm used too

1:26:44 Yeah, and I guess I don't understand what that should mean to me. You know like what does that do for my life? What is the understanding of that because we talked there is a met there is definitely an architecture that's been created birth certificates and regulations, and they talk about maritime law and the court system. It's this big structure, this false reality, and it's created to enslave in control but at the same time also to distract. And to distract from what? That is supposed to be true knowledge, underlying knowledge, that stuff that Santos was talking about. It's definitely dense and heavy

1:27:29 to take in, especially to someone who's been indoctrinated for 20 years and is just completely off the reservation as far as this material is concerned. But it's It's still worth looking into because clearly a lot of effort was put into denying us this information. And there must be a reason there, so there must be a practical application to our lives! There must be some enriching element that has just not reached me in my life but there must be something there otherwise there'd be no reason to veil it or hide it so well and put so much energy into it you know what I mean? Yeah, and it's interesting the idea of like going back and reading sacred texts such as the Bible. I mean Santos said in this conversation that it's for those with eyes that can see

1:28:18 I've become very interested in the Dao De Ching and also the Bhagavad Gita, all kinds of different religions. Trying to figure out what they're all talking about because they're all talking about the same thing. They are talking about human condition, they are talking about things making I think that's the most interesting. In this particular Garden of Eden myth, the characters and the whole scene is set up like this. There's the Tree of Life in the garden, Adam and Eve, there's a serpent, and then there's Yahweh. And Yahweh tells them don't eat from that tree. He goes off and the serpent tells Eve you can't eat from that tree because he's full of shit!

1:29:25 It's about how you and then ok so your way comes back to finish up the story he comes back where did he go he was gone he comes back to the scene. And is like holy shit you ate the fruit yeah now your email punished because didn't follow my rules So there's different interpretations here. The Gnostics would say that the serpent is actually The good guy here, the serpent is the deity that already was there. The serpent is from the garden Yahweh came to the garden so came too where did he come from? How come he left and then he comes back To find Eve there it's like he is a

1:30:06 It's kind of like he was stranded and now he crash lands on Earth, and now he puts himself in charge. Unlike a serpent which is much more representative of you know moving up the spinal cord that the spinal cord the Kundalini energy life and shedding skin from death into rebirth and Everything having to do with the divine feminine, and they got us spirituality That's what was already there And then this other God came and crash-landed and basically said you gotta follow my rules if you don't follow my rules

1:30:44 then you are gonna be fucking punished. Whereas the other more goddess religion said to humanity, you know, you can basically do what you want this is a garden don't listen to that guy So the oldest game in the book is this whole thing about spirituality where, oh if you want to talk to God well you gotta go through me. Because I'm the official channel. You know? I am The High Priest and this same thing translates into academia where if you wanna go to somebody who's a counselor they have to be accredited and they have to go through this whole process to prove that their worthy of being a counselor

1:31:25 It is messed up man you kind of started cutting out but it is messed up and when a man says something to me like well its there for people who have eyes to see I'm just like well that's extremely condescending and doesn't really give me any information, doesn't really tell me anything. It's also, it's some kind of in line with the Alan Watts thing where he describes Zen Buddhism and he's like you know people come to a master because they want enlightenment and the master knows that you know you have enlightenment. You already have it from the day you're born And if you want to go through all these trials to remember that then that's your thing man That's...you're able to do that

1:32:05 But you really don't need to do that. You can just come to the realization of yourself and again, that is also Doesn't really give me much information but I guess that's the struggle that all those people are going through all the people who Are going to the Buddhist monastery for guidance They...you don't need it! I guess that's the big cosmic joke is you don't need any guidance Guess that is the big cosmic joke I don't know man, but hey. I'm gonna let you go. I know your time It's getting awfully late the Sun might even be about to rise which I don't know what that means I guess it's uh You know the Sun is the Savior and all that stuff Yeah, this is about to overcome set yeah so

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