THC 59: Olav Phillips | Solar Warden, Nazis From Mars, & The Surveillance State Conspiracy

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01:02 Conspiratease.net, let them know that you know bold designs for troubled times hard truths soft cock How's it going higher side chatters drinking a little drink smoking a little smoke I'm Greg Carlwood and im back after my first week off in 2013 hope everyone is alive and well the conspiracy con went awesome we sold alot of conspirates drank alot of wine met some awesome people Got into a capitalism argument with Foster Gamble, but hey. One of the cool people I met agreed to be my guest on the first show back to compliment a few little pieces of audio I captured at The ConCon so here's my chat with Olav Phillips and afterwards I'll have a few extra clips of random conversations from The Con so thanks people it's always a pleasure

01:56 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. But well, it's 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire. For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation! You know folks, I'm sure we've all seen at least a couple UFO pictures or videos that really make us wonder just what the fuck we're looking at. And despite all the hoaxes and photoshops and attention-seeking dickheads that jeopardize the integrity of the UFO field with their forgeries it only takes a couple of good cases to bring one to the inevitable conclusion that something's up We've been lied too! There is a pretty distinguishable line drawn between the privileged gatekeepers in the uninformed underclass

02:51 We just don't know to what extent, and through this framework it's really tough to mentally weave the proper proverbial basket into which one would place all these wild eggs. But today we got the Basketweaver himself whose self-proclaimed passion is serving as an archivist for the UFO & Paranormal community in his compiled database of over 142 thousand recorded sightings Now with 24 years of research into UFOs and the strangeness that surrounds them, he's been doing this longer than I've been pissing on my own. And the man in question is Olaf Phillips executive producer for Ground Zero Radio frequent writer for Paranormal Magazine and an all around badass. Olive my man how you doin? I'm doing alright how are you? Can't complain man doing great! Had a good time hanging out with you and Ron Patton at our little section of The Conspiracy Con

03:36 Yeah, paranoia. We were in the house What did you think of ConspiracyCon? Was the event what you expected? Did you have a good time? You know I've gone like five times and Brian really puts on a good show He's always got some interesting people But for me one of the best parts is just talking to the people who come because he finds out a lot of stuff The speakers were great Freeman was great Sophia Smallstorm was great Yeah, those two are probably my favorites of the ones that I got to see but...I wish i would have seen more young people there. I mean, I realize it's pretty expensive and probably a bit out of the way for most but.. I do appreciate the people that came by said hi gave me drugs. I did- I would like to see some younger people there you know? It seems like its much older audience shows up to those types events yeah you know I think they're a lot of young people that are interested

04:30 But really a lot of conventions in general, they're very expensive. So it's out of reach I think that we need to have some cheaper conferences but you know it's expensive to put on the people Brian is bringing in and its expensive to fly them in and put them up and feed them So, you know I understand but it does put it out of the reach of most younger people. Yeah, It's like a catch-22 You gotta find a sweet spot But I'm sure it's tough, you know? Either way man There is a lot of stuff at home we can talk about much of which Is in your latest Paranoia article

05:06 But I really wanted to start by asking you a broader question and that the conspiracy community, you know is full of theories. Many of them are a bit contradictory. For example there's people who say Kubrick helped fake the moon landing other people say UFOs followed them to the moon some people say we've discovered ancient ruins on Mars others say there's modern facilities on Mars You know, some say that UFO lore is all just a cover up for secret military craft and others say aliens are working with us in underground bases. You know you can do this all day but as someone who's sifted through the mountains of research that you have have you been able to piece together any type of overreaching narrative on the UFO alien subject? You know when I started out I was like most people you know I started out as a kid I saw UFO

05:51 I saw what would typically be called the Lazarus Sportster model. And at that time, you know, I was convinced as many people are that they were all aliens over time. The more research I do the more I believe that they're actually mostly human in origin You know, the Dulce thing which is what you're referencing about them being in cahoots with the military and underground bases. Dulce is one of the famous flashpoints where they supposedly had a war underground, and there was a lot of fighting and people died... I don't know that I believe in that stuff anymore. I think that a certain percentage of them potentially

06:36 are alien in origin, maybe 5 to 10 percent. But I think a lot of what we're seeing today based on the mountains of research that I've done and the books I've read and putting the pieces together...I think the vast majority of them are human. Really? Yeah! That's an interesting conclusion. Well, let's talk about a couple of things in your paranoia piece. I mean in the beginning of the article you briefly mentioned the Serpo exchange story which is something we haven't talked about on this show. I heard about it before and almost forgot about it but And it's pretty crazy. I mean, I know there is a little bit of controversy over the sources of that information but if it were true its a pretty juicy story Can you walk us through apparently what the Serpo exchange is? How do you feel about this story? Well so Serpo basically just to give you a broad overview The idea behind Serpo Is that there was an exchange program with aliens and What they did was we sent 12 people

07:37 I want to say it was like nine men and three women or ten men and two women, to an alien planet. And they lived there for a number of years." Then they came back most of them came back a few of them died natural causes or in accidents Whatever a couple people apparently decided to stay but it basically, it's It's what happened after the end of close encounters are the third kind then Close Encounters of The Third Kind supposedly is this this grand? conspiracy monologue of The Serpo program and at the end you see that these

08:13 the astronauts going out and boarding the alien ship. Well, they're going to but only Richard Dreyfuss ends up going. Well in the Serpo program they all went and then they lived there for a long time so that's basically Serpo in a nutshell Me personally you know Serpo is one of those things where it goes away and comes back It's kind of like remote viewing it goes away and comes back You know, every few years people will go well it's a hoax. It's a hoax and then it'll go away Then you wait another five years and then it'l come back. You know? It's probably dying out now I mean they just put out a book about it But it will probably die on the vine in another year And then wait about 5 years listen to the higher chat again and you wil be talking about Serpo

09:05 For my money, I think it's a disinformation program. I don't think that we sent astronauts to planet Serpo. I think it's a cover up for something larger which is Solar Warden and that's the whole Gary McKinnon thing of what he said. Yeah! Feel free go right into that was the next place I was gonna go So, basically Gary McKinnon hacked into some DOD defense department computers because computer systems are run by human beings and sometimes they make mistakes and they leave passwords unsaid or passwords are simple. In the industry they call them script kitties. They basically launch

09:50 massive brute force hacks against servers and they run through combinations of words and letters until they get a good one, then they can log in and mess around. And supposedly Gary McKinnon hacked into a DoD server he found some pretty juicy stuff about You know, off-world soldiers and naval people that were apparently somewhere else. And ships... a series of ships. Logistics stuff. For my money most of what I think he found was logistics. Logistics are one of those things where they're probably not as secure as they should be but it can tell you an awful lot

10:38 So the idea was that McKinnon had found these lists of people who were supposedly off-world, and then these ships that are apparently flying around in space. And then a lot of the elements about the ships—you know what kind of stuff they were carrying and etc... I think that plays into the idea of Solar Warden. Solar Warden is supposedly Like a defense fleet that sits out in space and shoots down bad things. Conventionally, they say that they're shooting down aliens I don't think they're actually shooting down Nazis but we can get into that some other time And that's later in my article

11:20 But, you know the basically I think that's what Solar Warden is. Is that it's It's basically a fleet of ships and fleet as relative is probably you know 20 10 20 of them They fly around up in space And they have some sort of a battle where they protect us they shoot down asteroids whatever well is there any evidence for Gary McKinnon's story except for You know his word was he able to print anything out? Was he able to save anything?" Oh yeah, he saved some of it. Really?! Yeah but also you know the other thing about Gary McKinnon's story is that if he didn't find something they're working awful hard to try and bury him That's true too You know and sometimes even though you may not have multitudes of physical data and physical material to back it up

12:18 The end result of what he found and the end result of what they're trying to do to him, you know is a litmus test that he made somebody angry. Yeah, I mean i think the guys from Scotland and they've been trying to extradite him for like ever since. And I think Scotland finally said they're not gonna let that happen a few years back but yeah why would you go after him if he just you would just say oh he's some crazy nut job making shit up we don't need to mess with that but I mean it kind of validates what he says Well they fully admit that he got in there What deny is what he found? Well... You know..what he found is so insane

12:57 You know sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction. I mean what he found is straight up insane Yeah, so Go ahead now you go ahead. I'm here all the time All right well So you know The absence of proof to me? You know he did print some stuff out But that absence of mountains of material that he printed out doesn't Doesn't necessarily negate what he says he found and yes He's very consistent about it. He doesn't you know And he fears for his life. Yeah, I mean...I think what he found is legitimate too. It sounds completely credible and the response from the government kind of validates it to me but basically we're talking about space platforms is a term that I've heard them used before like these massive things that are like barges in the sky Is that how you think of them?

13:54 I think there's a variety of different objects up there. I think it is like a battle barge, you know? With guns on it as probably one of them You might think of them as defense installations on Earth that they would be analogous to a bunker with a big cannon But I also think there are more like fast attack... My suspicion is that in space they would follow the same model they use on Earth So you have like the bunkers and coastal artillery, then you have cruisers and destroyer's battleships. You know aircraft carriers there wouldn't be a submarine right but you know the same kind of concept. Yeah what do you think is powering these things? I mean it just that they're up in orbit? Well they are up in orbit

14:52 My own take on the situation is that I think that the propulsion system is probably back-engineered from German technology that was captured. Either modern or more classical German technology Yeah, let's get into that a little bit there's a lot of speculation and after World War II you know Nazis went to a base in Antarctica and maybe even went Out of the you know off the planet. I mean, what do you think happened at that juncture at the end of World War two? Well it really revolves around The Bell right and there are a couple researchers that have done a lot about The Bell Egor Yankovsky he's he was the originator of this story Joseph Farrell latched on to has written a number of books about it You know there is Nick Cook who wrote the zero point energy book

15:43 And they all kind of discuss it Henry Stevens has done a lot of work on it. You know and basically what is there's this object called the bell, and it looks like a bell we call it their Glocka and My German as bad so you have to excuse me I never learned German at school But it was built in a place called Der Rishi In Poland I want to say its Poland but they built They tested it, and then after the war it disappeared along with a general who controlled the program. A guy by the name of Hans Kammler who died I think six or eight times. And right before the end of the war Kammler had requisitioned these special transports...I think there were four or six of them that are the largest transports the Germans had ever built big like 6 engine transports build by Junker

16:38 and they, or Junker, and they loaded them all up and they took off. And I think if you look at that plane it would be a pretty easy thing to go from where they were in Poland to Spain to South Africa then off into Argentina maybe into Antarctica And they supposedly went to a base called Base 211 in Queen Maud Land or New Schwabin Linn. They had a base down there, they worked on it some more and got it perfected then they left. Damn! Where do you think they went? To the space platform? I think that probably went to Mars That's an interesting idea like... I actually... What was the guys name Andy Visagio he talks about jump rooms to mars

17:26 and he has the Project Pegasus stuff. I went and saw one of his lectures once, and I wasn't really a huge fan it kind of turned me off from the Mars thing in general but what makes you think that the Nazis made it to Mars? Is there a lot of anecdotal evidence for that? There's some...I think the moon is too close um..I think they're probably for last 30 or 40 years You know we've been piddling around on the moon And that goes to the whole moon hoax, Stanley Kubrick thing. But I think we've been on the Moon for quite a number of years in fact. In fact, I remember in the 90s John Lear did a lecture about mining operations on the Moon

18:09 And I think that if the Nazis were going to go somewhere, the moon's kind of out because it's too close. I think Mars is next best thing. Mars is relatively the same size as Earth, relatively the same size of gravity. There's debate over what Mars' atmosphere is like but if you're gonna go somewhere and it's close enough supposedly these UFOs that they built, the original ones could get to Mars in like a week. Now they can get to Mars in a couple of days so you know it's close enough to come back and do things but also far enough away that its not necessarily a trivial exercise to go there.

18:56 Yeah, I mean that's interesting. You think they just went there obviously to escape prosecution but you think they're trying to come back? Is that why we have a space fleet out there? I think so. There is something called the SDI program and if you are aware of it in the 80s Ronald Reagan fronted this plan to put the strategic defense initiative into place And basically what it was, was a lot of lasers and all kinds of crazy stuff they wanted to put in orbit. There's the thing called Project Thor, Thor's hammer that is like a platform that has tungsten rods and the idea is you can target these tungsten rods and fire them They're kinetic energy weapons and you can actually fire them at a straight line and do fairly micro-targeting of specific places

19:55 and the tungsten rod will survive re-entry, and then hit the earth at a fairly high speed which will create a huge crater. Well there's also brilliant pebbles which is basically canisters filled with marbles like steel marbles that would fire and shred nuclear missiles Then they had lasers They even had a thing called the... what was it? The American one The Russian one was called the Almaz The MOT, the manned observation or the mole. The manned observation laboratory and basically it was an Air Force space station with a laser on it that was designed to shoot stuff down And then the Russians did... well the Soviets not the Russians but the Soviets did basically this same thing right? They kind of matched us one for one Their mole was called the Almaz It had a 20 mm recoilless cannon on it

20:53 and they could shoot the cannon. But you don't put a bunch of stuff like that in orbit for war that's never going to come Because we knew, and so did the Soviets at the time through mutually assured destruction that we were never going to start a nuclear war. I mean you could argue in this in the 60s with the Cuban Missile Crisis We came pretty close but I don't think that though The Soviet Union or NATO and the United States were particularly excited to push the button because once you push the button it's over The minute that button's pushed, within about 45 minutes the entire Earth is radioactive. There's nothing there and nothing left so I don't think we were going to fight so why would you put all this stuff in orbit? It doesn't make any sense." That's a huge sacrifice to satisfy some egos. Yeah! And an aerospace engineer called me at the end of

21:49 of a ground zero and he was in Washington State, so he probably worked for Boeing. And he was saying that he worked on a solar warden program in the 70's and they facility was guarded by federal marshals and they built a constellation of three satellites into were parked in... They had lasers on them and two were parked in equatorial orbit around the Equator and they just kind of circle around the Equator And then the third one was a hunter-killer that it kind of, kind of was autonomous and would move around and shoot stuff down. You know you don't put that kinda stuff in orbit for war that's never gonna come I think very early on...you know the Soviet Union and NATO in the United States we recognized we had an external threat in the Germans and they wanted to come back cause if your going to perpetuate the fourth reich on Mars or wherever they went

22:46 I can't tell you concretely where they went. I know they're not here, but if you're going to do that and leave eventually, you want to come home. You want to come back. You don't want to just set up shop out there where you have to live in dome cities or underground. You want to come back and perpetuate your beliefs on the earth. So a lot of this stuff they use The Cold War as cover There were tensions, you know. The Soviet Union had a different perspective than we did They do things in a very different way They wanted the world to be a very different place than we did And I think those tensions that exist But again and again We see evidence that they were talking You know Khrushchev Kennedy Some people believe that Kennedy

23:37 It was actually killed because Khrushchev and Kennedy were having a dialogue, and this is backed up by Khrushchev's son that they were having a private conversation about unifying the space programs of the Soviet Union in America. That the next mission to the moon beyond the Apollo program should be a joint mission between the Soviets and us You know, the Soviets effectively backed down on their moon program conventionally. This is the stuff that anybody can go read about. When they saw that we got to the moon first you know they backed down because typically on the surface of it the Soviets were all about being the first to do something. They got there first satellite in orbit and Sputnik, they got there first.

24:24 Man in the space Yuri Gagarin, they got the first woman in space Valentina Tereshkova. They got the first animal in space Blanka the dog I mean they were all about doing it first right? But every time they weren't at the first then they just kind of abandoned it like Buran was their equivalent to Space Shuttle They launched it once and went up. It was all remote control, there's nobody on board. They launch it on the Energia, they get it up in orbit, they fly around and brought back because they weren't first so like why should we spend all this money when were not going to reap the benefits of propaganda benefits?

25:02 But in reality, behind the scenes again and again Kennedy was talking to Khrushchev and other people have carried on that dialogue of having these unified space programs. And look at today right? Today we cancel the space program effectively so if we want to put somebody up in orbit what do we do? We strap them onto 30-40 year old rocket The Russians are still firing off. They put them in a Soyuz capsule that they've been using since the 60s and 70s, they take him up to a space station we mostly built but you know they had... We were sending people up to Mir originally and it's all joint everything is joint in fact our astronauts

25:45 have to learn Russian. There was a big to-do about these in Star City where they launch up a lot of this stuff from, in Star City the Americans had these huge palatial mansions and people were siphoning off money from it and these Russians were siphoning money from the program building their own McMansion's in the middle nowhere at Star City So, you know it's all unified now. Well is it that difficult to make the leap of there's a bunch of Nazis out there they're gonna fucking come and kill us maybe we should pool our resources to blow them out of the sky I don't think thats that difficult thats that difficult an idea to accept No! I think the only thing that its hard for some people as anyone who basically people think are at the technology not their any one whose only keyed into the conventional

26:42 And that might be the hardest leap is the idea that oh yeah, the technology is there to do that but I mean. Kelly Johnson who's head of this skunk works kelly johnson has said publicly. That when you set a whole series of quotes right but one is he just got the contract to take it home Another one was like we don't you know from the movie et right? We don't we have the technology not just to call ETS home But we can take him there these stuff like that when Kelly Johnson is headed Lockheed Skunk works of saying things like that I think that's significant and they think that's something we need to pay attention to because he's kind of letting it slip and then they

27:24 The thing is that we're all human, right? I mean you can think of it in your own terms. Maybe you bought the world's greatest gift... not some mundane crap like you bought somebody a DVD that they're really gonna enjoy. My friend is a Blade Runner fan and I bought him the Blade Runner box set. That's pretty cool! If you bought him the Blade Runner box set with the outfit that Decker wore, you know? And it's signed by Ridley Scott. You know and it's like the...and then he gets to have a sit down lunch with Harrison Ford to talk Blade Runner because Harrison Ford doesn't talk Blade Runner. I mean how do you keep that secret every time you see your friend and be like oh my god! I got you the greatest gift ever and I got it for $599 on Amazon. You have trouble keeping that secret we're all human beings

28:20 And if you're not conditioned to keep the secret, keeping the secret is hard. So even people like Kelly Johnson let it out a little bit at a time and like we were talking about the bell in the military things are compartmentalized right now and there's like that for reason But, you know we were interviewing T.D Barnes who's an excellent aerospace engineer a real patriot, a real guy that did what he did for the love of his country He worked in the Skunk Works, he worked at Area 51, he was on the Discovery Channel Area 51 documentary um...He worked on the Stealth Program, he worked on the A-12 program which is a predecessor to SR 71

29:04 And so Clyde Lewis was interviewing him and said, you know, hey so what about the belt? Did you guys ever work on the belt. You know a lot of the conversation was not about UFO's because TD Barnes is not a UFO guy he is an aerospace engineer He is a stealth engineer I mean worked on a stealth fighter right So you know Clyde eventually got around to so what about the Bell and Barnes like well? I don't know what you're talking about. That's that conspiracy crap I don't know and in class said no, it's it's Nazi technology It was shaped like an acorn kind of described it to him in TD Barnes is responsible as something to the effect Of well all that Nazi stuff was sent to Wright Patterson He's like I know what you're talking about all that Nazis You know that all that German stuff was sent to write Patterson

29:57 Foreign technology division well, okay So I guess the bell made it to write Patterson if it made up to write Patterson and made in a DARPA Then we probably have our own UFOs that are powered by yeah not a far leap It's really not you have to you know in conspiracy research. You have to look for the little stuff. It's these little tiny arcane statements because people just let them slip. It's like my gift analogy, you know? You give somebody the greatest gift ever you can't...you have trouble because you know it's gonna bring them such joy so you give them little hints. Well gee wouldn't it be great if you got a signed letter from Ridley Scott or wouldn't that be great you know if you've got an insight into Blade Runner? So you get these...let out these little snippets I mean I do it myself we all do yeah

30:47 You've got to look for that. That's the weakness in human nature, that's where you get the confirmation that this stuff exists! That's the Boeing engineer calling me up at the last five minutes of the show... ...to tell me about this thing and I can't ask any questions! It's a crazy story and you know something else you have in that article. That I thought was really interesting is this other threat apparently, this apophis, this asteroid that's looking like it's headed towards us in 2029? That's pretty damn scary man! What's... How real is that?! Yeah so that's absolutely real In fact I suggest everybody goes on YouTube And Neil deGrasse Tyson did an excellent explanation of Apophis

31:32 I can't do it any better than Neil deGrasse Tyson is, I love that guy. But basically in 2029 it's going to come toward the Earth and its gonna miss we're not gonna flame out you know in 2029 but depending on its orbit when it passes us If it hits something called the keyhole, which is like an 8 or 9 kilometer wide. That's kilometers kids that's not feet its kilometers! If it hits inside this eight or nine kilometer wide portion of space they call it the key hole and depending on where it is in the keyhole depends on where it will hit off of Santa Monica so if it's up it hits closer if it's down it hits further out And basically it's large enough that when it hits

32:20 If it hits the earth, it'll create a five mile wide crater. Five mile wide and five mile deep crater in the ocean And then they'll send out a tsunami at just barely subsonic speed toward the California coast. Then what will happen is that that will hit the coast It'll destroy all those beautiful houses of Malibu. As the five-mile wide crater refills with water, it will cavitate And so what you'll see is all the water gets sucked back in to fill that five mile wide hole. So then it will cavitate, meaning that it will create another wave that will again hit the California and West Coast in general and basically as Neil deGrasse Tyson puts it, it will sandblast the West Coast. Well shit! I mean...

33:13 Yeah, I was to say how far inland do you have to go? I assume you're gonna be moving away from California if that's gonna happen. That's a mount I got a coastal mountain range between me and the sandblasting I'm also You know over 200 feet above the water so I think I'll be okay But it'll be very bad And the other thing about is that it's gonna chuck a bunch of stuff into the atmosphere Right because it's super heated when it hits So, you know really the in there the overall effect of the impact could be quite massive. Damn, that's scary man! It is I mean... but well besides you know besides that let's get into something else See your dumb phone? I blew your mind Well what do you say it's a fucking asteroid You can't really do much about it and hopefully the Solar Warden people have got this on lock and they shoot that thing down Its a fucking asteroid thats named after the Egyptian god of death Right

34:14 You gotta save that name for when it really counts. That's what he points out at the beginning, we didn't call it the Hello Kitty asteroid, you know? He named after the Egyptian god of death I mean thats pretty bad Yeah there is some insinuations there But a lot of that goes back to this movie that I've been talking about alot over the last couple years called Alternative 3 Really alternative three lays the groundwork for all this kind of stuff that effectively there's something bad that is going to happen. It is environmental in nature, and Alternative 3 talks about an ice age which is fairly feasible. And then they talk about some attempts to stop it. There were three options to kind of stop it One was to blow hole the atmosphere invent all the carbon idea we could build underground bunkers

35:11 But we couldn't build enough bunkers to save enough people, so that was deemed as not feasible. So then the third alternative was to skip town and go to Mars And suppose the last couple minutes of footage is actually footage of a man landing on Mars It's a joint Soviet-American man landing That's interesting This movie apparently was put out as a mockumentary As a farce Apparently it was supposed to come out on April 1st and it didn't. It came out later? June I think. But how, obviously you've seen it and I haven't seen it but do you feel like it was a little bit of conditioning? Was it really trying to show us something? Do you think that it was more than just a joke?

36:02 Yeah, I do. And again it's the absence of evidence and that is not always a great way using negative to prove positive but if you look at that film it was deemed so dangerous they could not air it ever again and then ITV or East Anglia TV put out the masters were destroyed in fire So there's no masters, there's no contracts. There is only one known master to be in existence and that's in the hands of a guy who filmed it. That's interesting... Basically doesn't exist? Yeah if it was just a joke you would think that wouldn't be that big deal to air more than once but maybe this too much revealing information in it Well so they aired it in England and Scandinavia on same time

36:54 They simulcast it. Then they passed laws saying it couldn't be aired again, they aired in Australia and they passed the law. They tried to air it in America but the head of NBC Drama bought the rights to it He came back and he said this is brilliant you know this will get big ratings Standards and practices who are effectively censors said its too dangerous for television You know at this point the only country on earth that I know can broadcast is Japan and apparently once a year they show it. Really? Once a year, that's pretty fucking cool! Yeah but you know I think you got the main astronaut who saw things on the moon his name was Bob Grodin he was basically Buzz Aldrin and he's an alcoholic he has been married five times

37:41 So everybody, you know there's an equivalency right? Buzz Aldrin is Bob Grodin and you can kind of track down who is who. And then you look at some the ideas they had about the nuclear missile or the nuclear test that happened... The bunkers just read anything by Richard Sauter and you'll read all about the crazy bunker stuff they've done high-speed rail system under North America So even to tell you why one of the linchpins for me, of why I think it's real is that a lot of times we go to these conventions or we gather amongst ourselves and people talk about chemtrails. It's like chemtrails, chemtrails, chemtrails. Well nobody knows exactly what they are

38:34 Nobody can really prove that chemtrails exist. It's all it's all kind of hocus-pocus Well, the the contrail takes too long to dissipate You know maybe it's real maybe it's not right but what I will tell you that is absolutely 100% certain Is two things one? when 911 occurred and they grounded every plane in North America and A bunch of atmospheric scientists said, oh my god. This is the first time in recorded history there are no airplanes in the air So they all ran outside and they went and got their balloons and all their gear and they started running tests They proved it was a great documentary about this But they approved that the ambient light on the earth increased by like 2% Like 1 percent or two percent and the temperature of the earth Started to go up

39:26 And then the second thing that happened is that in 19... I want to say it's 1957, might be like 1958. Dr Edward Teller who was basically the father of the bomb he fronted a plan to the American Chemical Society to dump aluminum particles in the upper atmosphere to deflect the Sun and to control the temperature on the surface of the Earth Basically in 1958 he was the architect of what we would now call chemtrails. So if chemtrails are real, they've been at it since the 50s

40:08 That's nothing new and these atmospheric scientists proved that whatever is going on that something's going on now some people believe that They're they're using chemtrails to stop a global ice age. Some people think that they're using chemtrails to Control the temperature of the earth, you know because of the greenhouse effect but basically them trails are introducing it introducing a greenhouse effect So they control the atmosphere and then they can stave off the ice age Right, and it would be in a if Apophis hits because the nuclear winter something like like chemtrails Would be able to control that and to limit the destructive power of it I just have a real problem thinking that things like that are positive Because there's no need to keep that such as secret. I mean, I guess you could say to keep people from mass panic but

41:04 That's all the evidence you need right there, man. Because if you told everybody that alternative 3 is 100% and we're going into an ice age... You want to tell the population of North America that half of it is gonna be covered by ice? How do you think people in Denver or Well, I guess right. But Idaho are going to react to that. They're going to react very badly. Right? No one wants to hear that but if you've been doing it for years and you got it on lock and it's all in control

41:42 You know, I mean obviously it's there still a risk and telling people you don't want everybody to go completely ape shit But uh, I don't know. I just I just I'm always I'm always for the truth whether it's scary or not, you know Yeah but the Brookings study in around about way told us back then that we couldn't handle the truth The Brookings study showed us that if if we were 100% honest And as my philosophy professor used to call him, Joe Six-Pack. Who cares about the six pack and the 49ers? Right You know if that guy found out some of the shit that's going on you know he would have a total mental breakdown Now is that 100% now probably not but That is the logic they're basing all their decisions on Yeah it is a fair point I don't agree with it but that is what it is right

42:35 Well, besides what you've written about recently and this the idea of a space war between Nazis and us. Do you have any personal favorite UFO stories from your long time research that you think might have alien origins? You know there are few I mean they're one that i always enjoyed back in feudal Japan There was a period of time that these golden eggs were descending from the sky and they were landing on the beaches. These Japanese fishermen, this is feudal Japan so this is like the 16th century you know that they were landing and interacting with the fisherman I find that interesting. I like a lot of historical stuff about the Vamanas

43:28 you know, and some of the earlier things because they're less muddled by our own preconceptions of what this is. The mysterious dirigibles in Texas... I mean these are that's kind of the stuff that i enjoy. I like the older stuff Yeah, I mean there's even the stories that Christopher Columbus had written about lanterns that were going around the ship under the ship underwater. Christopher Columbus is an interesting one to talk about because not only did he claim to see UFOs especially when they were in the Sargasso Sea, He also claimed that there was a ghost

44:07 I want to say it was a navigator for Amerigo Vespucci that helped him, or maybe it was Magellan. I forget who the ghost was but there was a ghost that basically helped him find North America. No shit! Yeah well he didn't find North America you landed in San Salvador but Vikings found America He quote unquote found America and a ghost helped him find it apparently. He's very honest about it Wow, I never heard the ghost aspect that's nuts Yeah, Google is my friend. I wanted to switch gears a little bit before we wrapped this up because i use Reddit a lot and this week it's all about the Prism thing! This big text phone internet spying program and you were telling me a bit about your IT background and we talked a bit about built-in government backdoors at the ConCon but have you looked into this Prism thing? It's huge news this week specifically

45:07 So really what Prism, as near as I can tell was all about was harvesting metadata about phone calls. It's like who called who from where? If they were on cell phones which cell tower did they utilize? They were in their house whether the coordinates of that house, the length of the phone call etc Now the reason that is important Is it conventionally, you say well it's important because if two terrorists are calling each other we know where one of them is right? Maybe the other guys on a satellite phone in Afghanistan but at least the guy in America. We know what cell tower he was working off of right? The other thing that's interesting about it is that if you take that data

45:53 and you match it to Echelon, and Echelon is that program out of Pine Gap that listens to all our phone calls and analyzes them heuristically. They now have the pointers where the phone call was made so not only do they have context for the actual phone call itself they now have points that the phone call originated in ended at So if you take all that together You've got everything you could ever want to know about a phone call Man, it seems to be a little intense. Obviously they're overstepping the thing that was really nuts to me is that the reports say basically every major corporation is involved in just giving up data Apple Facebook Google Yahoo Microsoft They're just giving the NSA access to all our usage

46:47 It's kind of fucked up that no company sides on, you know... it's on the side of their own customers. Yeah but you have to think about it logically right? Is that if you look at these companies they all have massive defense contracts. Well right! So if they don't give it up and if they do not comply with the FISA order number one they're legally bound to do it because FISA said it was okay so that means there in contempt of court if they don't do it But also, a lot of these companies have deep defense department contracts. I mean you look at Microsoft right? Microsoft put a nice big backdoor into every Windows operating system for the FBI and NSA okay?

47:36 Originally when Skype, which we're talking on tonight. When Skype was developed the engineers who built Skype they basically used a key that was so long and the key is that encryption key that decodes the conversation right? So we both have a key and that allows this conversation to be secure They use the key it was so long that supposedly would take the entire computational power of the NSA which is significant 75 years to crack it for every single phone call. Skype was sold to eBay, I don't really understand the logic of that but whatever you know i'm not at the C level of eBay so I don't know what they were thinking right but you know eBay bought them and then eBay really couldn't monetize it and figure out what to do with it So they sold it to Microsoft And whats the first thing Microsoft did? They put a backdoor in for the NSA and FBI

48:33 There's a backdoor in Microsoft products, there is a backdoor in Apple products. Somebody introduced a few years ago somebody introduced the rootkit or backdoor into the OpenBSD kernel path which they took out but you think about how big a kernel it is pretty complex So, you know there's probably somebody else another anonymous individual probably put another rootkit in there that they haven't found and BST is very secure. You know so every time there's an operating system they put in one of these back doors. Man! So yeah...you're not safe. And then there's Carnivore. Yeah this is old news I mean Prism's bad because we all found out about it

49:20 You know, and maybe my cell phone's on Verizon. And you know now they know all about my piddly phone calls to my co-workers and to my wife... I'm surprised that I'm shocked and angry because they're spying on me but the reality of it is that this stuff has been at work for a long time in the 90s they had Carnivore. Carnivore reads all your email So they got Echelon in the 80s and the 90's, which listens to all your phone calls. They've got Carnivore to read your email now this thing Now they just know you know physically where you were at when you made a phone call so really is prison bad sure It's not good But you know we live in a police state Is it any worse than Carnivore or Echelon? Probably not

50:07 Yeah I mean it really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone but, I don't know if you're much of a gamer but the new Xbox is getting blasted by the gaming community because in the Xbox One the connect camera and microphone must be connected for it to work. And it must connect to the internet at least once every 24 hour period to work And I don't know about anybody else, but if they're cooperating with this kind of stuff... If that's... If this Prism thing is any indication of their behavior. I don't want that bullshit in my house! Why would i pay money to have that in my living room? Well but you know.. That's the problem with these kinds of things Is it You know most people aren't kinda read into the situation So you react badly to the Xbox One I don't have one But maybe Microsoft will give me one after this conversation

50:55 But, you know we're all surprised and shocked and angry. But then we have to step back for a minute think about it logically right? You know your shocked and upset maybe your not but you is the generic term are shocked and upset because well the Xbox One probably has a root kit they could turn that camera on hey I've got a connect maybe their turning my connect on listening me at home But what you have to go then and realize is that your cell phone can be remotely activated by Verizon or AT&T or T-Mobile, or Cricket, or whoever you're using. If they need to they can turn your cell phone on without you knowing it and turn it into not only a microphone but a video camera

51:41 They've rootkitted your computer so if they really wanted to, they could turn on my camera right now and you could see me. And they can see me as well! These things are already in the wild. The idea behind the Xbox One is that it's just a late entrance into the police state Your cell phone right now. I don't know who your carrier is, but it doesn't matter whoever your carrier is can switch your cell phone on right now and listen to this conversation and you'll never even know man It's just...it's You hear it And uh..I mean I don't know if I've known of any cases Of anyone being coming forth they were prosecuted because their cell phone was turned on

52:25 But yeah it's scary shit. It just sucks you know all the major corporations are aligned against us and that's no secret but, we're their customers and people keep giving them their money an allowing them to be so powerful of course government contracts are helping too which is also our money I don't know if you heard this story about The UPS FedEx thing, but the government agencies were approaching all these major shipping companies wanted to sift through them looking for people mailing pharmaceuticals apparently and ups was like yeah guys no problem take whatever you need and then FedEx rejected the notion in the CEO released a statement somewhere in the ballpark of we have no interest in violating the privacy of our customers just to verify if a package contents are legal which was

53:08 awesome you know i don't really see that coming from a company me that's why take the headache of being of coming out and saying oh yeah we're just gonna defy the government but I mean hey if you got a male drugs use FedEx. Yeah, but if you want to ship guns or drugs use FedEx. But you know the thing about The thing about it is that they say that now, but if they got a knock on the door from the FBI or the PATF they'd hand it over in an heartbeat. Right? It doesn't take much No! They're doing it now because there's...they have an out But if that out disappears and they've got a FISA order that says that they have to do it They'll do it Because there's really no alternative right If you fight the FISA order the only thing that's going to happen Is your gonna end up in federal maximum security prison Yeah

53:57 They'll probably label you as a known combatant and send you to Guantanamo. Right, I mean it is a bit overwhelming man! The thing that bothers me more than the surveillance because we live in a surveillance society... Now remember i lived in England and they had this truck And they would park it in front of pubs and the truck was basically It literally had just 360 degrees of CCD cameras And they didn't even cover it up. They just parked the surveillance van and they could see everything, and they could hear everything In every country we live in a surveillance society It's just what happened What bothers me more is these

54:39 what's coming out of the Department of Justice where they're saying that, well we can classify you as an enemy combatant and we can kill you from orbit which they can do. Or we can kill you with a drone in America because we don't like you. Well that to me is the bridge. That truly bothers me. The idea that they can listen on my cell phone I can't control it so i just ignore it because You can't stop it. But the drone thing, that's... It's another level! That's terrifying Yeah man well that just about does it we've talked about so many enlightening and positive topics from Nazis bases on Mars attacking us and Apophis the giant space rocket doom spy satellites It's been very uplifting and positive talk I'm happy man

55:39 Is there anything you want to tell people out before we let you go? I know the next time i'm going to see you again is at ParanoiaCon, which will be taking place here in sunny Sandy. Comic Con weekend July 19th through 21st I actually want to say that Ron Patton is an awesome guy. I just got to meet him at the at the ConCon This is his first time throwing an event like this, and he has some really great speakers yourself Adam Gowrightly Andy Coven a bunch more THC fans should definitely come out But what are you gonna be talking about? The same kind of thing as the Nazi space bases? Well, you know I'm going for something truly uplifting I want to talk about just happiest stuff on earth

56:23 And so yes, I'm talking about Nazi space bases and the coming apocalypse. I wanted to aim high and leave satisfied happy customers. Of course with rose-colored glasses! Right! Take the pill before you show up. I always do but... The thing i wanted to pop in there at the last minute is we were talking about how expensive these cons can be and about how people can't afford it Ron is a pretty cool guy And he looked and searched for a place that we could hold it, that would be cost effective. So your ticket's 20 bucks. You know? Right. 20 bucks today, 50 bucks for all three days. Come on out. It's cheap you can afford it probably and if you can't and come to the door and don't quite have $20, you have 15 bucks or something and its legitimate let us know and we'll make something happen. Yeah were going to check your pockets but... We'll turn you upside down!

57:19 No, that's a great point. It is pretty damn cheap and I think the speakers are awesome! I'm excited to hear you talk and I'm excited to hear Adam talk. We had Andy Colvin on the show awhile ago talking about The Mothman and some fascinating stuff about Union Carbide and some really deep level stuff he was a great guest too so i'm sure he's going to talk about some interesting topics um you know so after you've seen After you've seen the new Spider-Man trailer that you can also just watch on YouTube, maybe should come out here some real shit down the street. There ya go! But is there anything else we want to tell people about your website? Your Roku channel? My Roku channel's TheAnomaliesChannel.com You can add it there It's free I don't charge

58:01 A lot of the stuff that I write you can find on conspiracyhq.com or paranoiamagazine.com and if you want to find out more about Paranoia, The Paranoiacon etc., paranoiamagazine.com Awesome! There it is. Thanks a lot man. You're an awesome guy. It's been lots of fun. I'm psyched to see again. It's been great time talking to ya. Have a good one You too. All right, man. All right people that was Olav Phillips it is great to be back thanks so much for listening tell your friends share the show give me a thumbs up on Stitcher or 5 star wherever you are these are the currencies of the digital world here's some random chats from The ConCon and I'll see you guys next week with Rupert fucking Sheldrake peace

58:55 To a core, it comes down to a ranch in Dragoon Arizona. Now Dragoon is a pretty unique name Merlin the magician he only had one magic word in his arsenal that word was dragoon And that revolves around this ranch. It's called the Triangle Tee Guest Ranch, which I'm in the works of assembling the money and spirit to get to buy that. The people who own it now are very well aware that I am a repurchaser for that property. It is a place where the Kennedys and Rockefellers and Vanderbilts and Walt Disney, people from NASA went there In my understanding, don't quote me on this but in my understanding it was to have meetings with the Ark of the Covenant. To see how to build our current dream, our infrastructure and our influence... Something beyond what we have right now? Well they got that to build what were in right now so my project is to buy this ranch and to buy as a republic and to institute

59:56 paperwork called corpus separatum which is what Jerusalem is trying to accomplish in the Middle East right now. Well, there's a little bit of dysfunction in that whole story because we live In a place called America that it really revolves around New Jerusalem Which is what we're looking for We have to go back a little bit but it's about moving forward So this new Jerusalem will be at a place in Arizona that starts with a ranch It starts with a certain community and I have the maps and I'm gonna reveal that on 4th of July and everything To the public the authorities that we want this to happen. And it's a really beautiful story of just the creating of stories, that's why were going through this mess everyone wants to know why? Well we have an infinite amount of entertainment just from the past that we can be entertained from the future so we can go through the future not making mistakes not creating funny stories because we can spend eternity laughing at ourselves from things we did in the past

1:00:57 Yeah, absolutely does you know things have been messed up for quite some time It's odd. You kind of you alluded to the fact that The people in charge want this progression to happen they're not they're not an opposition to this now Absolutely not I think that's what would throw people The most is that they think that that's who we're fighting against and you're talking about them actually wanting to facilitate or help in this transition Right the only right it's the middlemen That is really the dysfunction at this point. Not saying we don't need anything in the middle of anything, we need everything it's just a time of shifting right now We don't... It's very easy for us alright The people in Congress Alright? The President Very tough jobs Right? We all see them as people with a lot of power but we also see something behind them that has more power over them

1:01:48 So what we're trying to connect is to those two things. We can create a forum and we're going to practice this experiment with the land that provides itself, and the people yes, come too It's hard for me I really don't want to reveal too much because i don't want to interfere with people's lives in the way they stand because it is gonna be a project that everyone agrees with. And its not gonna by surprise When do you think knowledge of this is gonna hit a mainstream level? On the 4th July there should be headline Across mainstream media absolutely 100% not me. I think yes, I think mainstream Media is going to be unable to avoid They can't avoid it and it's gonna be known It's gonna be known as project 45 Yes project 45 the United States of mind United States of mine and what on the 4th of July? What sort of changes that when some changes will start to get made is it all about this place in Arizona? The

1:02:48 Will there be any changes to government? On the 4th of July, okay. Yes! Why? Because you're the government because whoever sees this project and sees the information and sees my story their minds will be instantly transformed You're the government. People who are unaware of these truths are the government, so yes immediately anyone who sees the information that I have to present immediately yes there is a change in the government because they are the government Well said. It seems like abstract thinking but it's really simple when you get down to it and a lot of people have lost their concept with they are the government everything was for time in place there is ultimately no judgment on any of this, the great day of judgment is about no judgment its about using us our...a day when finally everyone on earth

1:03:42 Everyone is in their right mind. Everyone is in their right state of mind and we're a united state of mind And we're in a place one day, the Day of Judgment where we can all have a place of peace for one second One minute...one hour just sitting down, holding hands. Corny little story of a united humanity I believe in it my life's work has no room for failure because i worked for God I worked for the American people I worked for every living sentient being in the universe because I dedicated my life to that they haven't...I'm not gonna stop until there is no one left to help essentially all I have to do is help myself

1:04:20 and allow that to unfold. So it all comes down to that, I'm not trying to change anyone, I'm not trying to fix anything, I'm not trying do anything...I'm just trying to be me and i'm trying to be the best of me that possibly can Well said Jeremiah! And uh..the website is Project45? I have a I'm not sure about the details. I'm sure that will be set up at a time It's all it's a very organic Experiment and so I have a Facebook page setup right now that is called project project 45 United States of mine I don't have much load on to it, but I think that In the next couple days. I'll have a lot of pictures uploaded That will open the door for an intense amount of questions Awesome well thanks for talking to us Jeremiah. It's been a pleasure Thanks

1:05:04 That was us talking with Jeremiah Koehler of Project 45. How's it going Higher Side Chatters? I'm here with Peter Dorsett, we're sitting here and talking at the Conspirates booth at Comic Con 2013. Peter knows a lot about law and he also knows a lot about UFOs He has been schooling me for a little while now. Peter how is it going? I am doing good Greg thanks for asking What can you tell us about law that has been kind of kept from us, that people might not have been educated about? That would be pretty helpful for them to know. Well the interesting thing when I taught law for about 15 years in Sacramento, I became a paralegal and I boiled down something that was very elementary. Do you know the difference between something that's lawful and something that is legal? And most people said well they are the same aren't they

1:06:04 no, actually if you look them up in a law dictionary you'll notice that there's more than one definition. However let me boil it down for you so you have a conceptual idea of what lawful is as opposed to what legal is since that's the basis of what we're going to talk about Lawful is something that's done by and for the people with their permission and consent and approval Legal is something that's done behind closed doors By attorneys Congress people for the sole purpose of extracting funds from somebody. So when they'll say, when somebody says oh that's illegal I tend to look up in the sky looking for a sick bird and illegal there are many languages that as Americans we have the ability to think in where street language which is what most people converse in there's the written language which is more formal

1:06:59 Then there's legalese. And legalese has a different meaning than what a lot of people think, and so there are rules and guidelines called law dictionaries for example Blacks Law Dictionary The first edition came out in 1890 they are now up to edition number 10 The interesting thing that is the difference between say Webster's dictionary and a law dictionary is that Webster's dictionary is used common usage dictates what the word means And that can change over time. Let's take for example a word that most people are now familiar with as gay, that now means someone who is homosexual however you look at it dictionary from say the 1950s gay meant someone who was happy so by common usage that word changed once your understand that difference between saying

1:07:49 Webster's Dictionary now, the definition in Blacks Law Dictionary. There are a number of other publications that are also called law dictionaries but the Blacks Law Dictionary is the most popular and thats what used in the court system and what they do is they change the language to change your perception here's an example starting with the edition number seven which came out 1992 up through now The word United States as a definition, was eliminated from Black's Law Dictionary. The word that was substituted was United Nations. Really? That's...that's a little creepy! Yeah well that gets you to start thinking the other thing is if you look at the back of Black's Law Dictionary You'll see that it's published by the British So the British actually are still in control of the law in this country

1:08:47 The other thing that you'll note when you get into studying, say for example the United States Constitution which is a very short document in which all of the laws and rules of this country are governed by. So you have laws regulations statutes and codes one of the things that I try to tell people is what is the definition of code? Do you know what... Have you ever heard of what the definition of code is? And they'll say well no! When I said okay look it up in Webster's Dictionary to start with You'll learn and here's something that I say, have you ever heard the movie Windwalkers starred Nicolas Cage? He was dealing with some Navajo Indians who were able to speak in the clear because they were using code. Code when you look it up in Webster's Dictionary means secret language

1:09:37 So why do you suppose they call it the IRS code or that DMV code? Penal Code. The penal code, it all means you have to have a code book decode it so its secret language. So we're being duped! There's your beginning of law Hey, that's great information. I mean it makes total sense It's also interesting because it seems like if you want to see the direction in which The country is going look at the legal what they put on paper because a lot of times that stuff They'll put it on paper and then it doesn't roll out for a few years and then it becomes common Well let me expand a little bit on that Greg You have in this country If you go back to the beginning this country

1:10:17 broke away as 13 colonies in a war that started in 1776. That was the beginning, it didn't end in 1776 It started in 1776 and ended in 1781 We defeated the British Greg I'm going to ask you a question What happened to the British at the end of that war? What did they do? Well we're told they went home They went home with their weapons in tow Does a vanquished foe leave with their weapons from the battlefield No, they'd be lucky to leave with their heads. That's right exactly so what is wrong with this picture? In that a lot of people don't know that now let's move Let's fast forward to the next war that we had and that was called The War of 1812 which lasted for three years till 1815

1:11:03 And then there was another war that started in 1861 and ended in April of 1865, and that one is often referred to as the American Civil War. Now let me ask you a real important question because this is going to lead into the other things which a lot of people want it where's the UFO stuff right? Okay so what do you suppose those three wars were all about they're all about same thing but what do you think they were all about well we're told power and territory no It was about creating a central bank. Well, yeah that's true the underlines the subtext that isn't taught in schools it seems to be very prominent in the conspiracy world is that yes all war is basically about the monetary system which people are going to operate under Exactly but you see what happens Is we tend to forget That which is written or whatever and so We speak in terms of generations Each generation is about 25 years

1:11:58 So we asked somebody, I was in the Vietnam War in the 60s and I asked someone that may be 40 years younger than me to maybe two generations younger than me. And I'll say what do you know about the Vietnam war? And they'll say not much it's pretty much a forgotten word much like Korea well I grew up during the Korean war and I was born right at the end of World War II But I studied those because it was important to me. The average person doesn't because in their mind, it takes up too much time So when you look at what's important to you You become involved with it if it means something to you so we can fast forward into the UFO stuff and any time but let me give you one more idea behind these things that you were talking about with the drones In our country

1:12:41 Three bodies one is called a legislative which supposedly creates the law we have the executive, which is the Enforcement arm and then we have the judicial which is the interpretation well what most people don't know Is that were governed by executive orders? Which are written by them by the president this when you do the research started in 1861 with Abraham Lincoln. And the executive orders, if you go in and look at the congressional records they were basically promotions and demotions of federal people employees not until you get to 1933 do you really understand that it had to do with banking because on March 9th 1933

1:13:26 Franklin Delano Roosevelt placed this country into bankruptcy and they've been in bankruptcy ever since. And it's sort of interesting when you look at a Federal Reserve note, you ask someone what is this? They don't know but a note is a promise to pay. It's an IOU so how do you discharge a debt with another debt instrument It's a tricky question. Yes, and yet most people can't answer it because they don't have enough factual background information to even go there So what you were alluding to with the drones and everything else is the quote imperial? Arm of the executive branch doing whatever they want absolutely And uh there are some speakers There are some people out there that are talking about the idea that

1:14:15 The UFO story was all a cover up to cover up the drone technology. Would you subscribe to that or do you think there's real UFOs? You've been telling me about that Yes, UFOs exist they've existed for a long time If you look at ancient history There's a lot of pictographs and a lot of monuments There's obviously the pyramids things like this Puma Punk Puma Punko down in Bolivia. You know, you got stones that are four or five hundred tons. It can't be moved by any modern equipment to this day, there's no trees so they didn't move them with trees how did they do it? And the naysayers will say oh it was just you know...it just happened that way They don't have enough..they have what is known as cognitive dissonance Cognitive dissonance means well I've never heard that so I can't believe it and there's a lot of that going on with UFOs UFOs and the UFO people, the UFO community we've been visited by people from our own future

1:15:11 There's a number of people that have subscribed to that, that are aware of that. That know we're being visited right now by people from our future. They have cloaking capabilities they have the ability to shape shift they had all these abilities and yet when we don't understand it we say I can't believe it so therefore I don't believe it What do you think is the best evidence that a skeptic or someone who wants to believe but is looking for that smoking gun, what do you think is the best thing they could look at in terms of the UFO story? Well whenever you come across any kind of knowledge that you don't know about whether it's law or anything else, you have to look at it from many different angles. One of the things when I was teaching law was how did...when you get a citation it's because someone cited you that was a visual that sort of citing although it spelled S-I-G-H T-I-N-G the citation is spelled C-I-T A-T-I-O-M so but it means the same thing it means there was visual evidence

1:16:07 What happens is when we're doing a lot of research, is we tend to hear information. In a court of law that becomes known as hearsay evidence so when you're doing UFO research You're going to hear a lot of hearsay evidence until the person actually has their own encounter and they see with their own eyes One of the things that I learned in my study of this is that we actually have two eyelids. We have an outer eyelid and inner eyelid, And one of the things a person can do with this is they can learn how to control energy... ...and that is by looking at the sun, and if they open up their inner eyelids, They can allow themselves to look at the sun! When you look at the Sun, You're receiving energy That was around and has been around for a long time The ancients knew this

1:16:56 I mean you ask the questions, how many ancient people did you know wore glasses? They didn't. They didn't need them! It's a very controversial subject, but I've seen the documentary Eating The Sun which is kind of what we're talking about. There are people who get their nourishment and their energy from staring at the sun it seems incredibly controversial because that's The doctrine of how dangerous that is has been drilled into our heads since childhood And it seems like it would be dangerous it hurts it hurts my eyes to look at the sun Of course they're in the movie they talk about different techniques you look at it at uh... when it's low in the horizon or during the rise of the setting but that's really interesting you've had some positive experiences and some real results from sun gazing yes i have and i did find out on the internet is actually called eat the sun so just go to google type in eat the sun there something else you can do while we're kind of on that subject type in google

1:17:53 the secret life of plants and you'll learn about how plants are sentient. You can also type in Dr. Imoto's water research and you learn that water or any liquid for that matter is sentient, and the crystalline structure of that can change just by the mere thought, not just words spoken but the mere thought of that can change the crystalline structure. So ultimately what does that mean? Going back to your original question it has to do with how we believe if we don't believe there's UFOs or if they're aliens or anything will never believe because our mind has put up a blockage for us and we can see them once the veil is listed I mean I could take you out two places where group of us will watch UFOs

1:18:34 and somebody that doesn't believe in UFOs can't see them. And everybody else can see them, and look at them! Yeah there's lots of them but they can't see him because their mind's eye doesn't allow them to see it They're saying no. And how does that work with video evidence? Well video captures what it sees in terms of light capturing Our ability with our lens and our eyes and our iris is that we do an interpretation in our brain So, if you actually look at... when we look at something that's written it's actually backwards. It goes through this process in our mind and we have to flip it and there are people that have retinosis and a number of other diseases they can't do that just yeah then don't have the ability to switch that so they have to learn how to see things upside down backwards And to them that's right! It's like how do you define colors to someone who has never seen colors?

1:19:27 I mean that's something we take for granted and that is in the UFO community. Those of us who are in the know, we sort of take it for granted there are a lot people who don't know how did they get aware of it? And answer really you ask someone when did you first have your first experience or how do you know? I taught training on what I was teaching real estate, we called it mastery and the question was How Do You Know You Know And the answer ultimately is, you want to boil everything down into as few words as you can. The answer is that when there's no other answer it can't be anything else and so you come to that conclusion whether its by deduction reasoning or whatever else you may want to call it that you know and have intuition about some people call it a sixth sense

1:20:20 Knowing if I told you Greg that there is shape shifters among us. I can see him You can't you'd say how do you know and I says because I can see them There's been movies that they've been alluded to that but some people were special glasses And they could live and they could see that well That's what happens for those of us That can see the law for example or how it's being subverted Is that our country is being taken over? It has been for a long time. Look, it's a corporation That's another subject, but when you get into this thing of knowledge. It's like how much do you want? it's like how much of the pie Do you want to eat How much of the knowledge do you want and you want just a little taste or do you want to know more and its own? Satiable for me its unsatiable Meaning that one thing leads to another so law can lead to UFOs can leave two new discoveries Discoveries that most people say that can't happen

1:21:11 I mean, we have technology now that can make a person invisible. We also have technologies that you can point a weapon and disintegrate somebody totally vaporize them. That sounds like DC comic stuff but in reality exists! I know i was in the military at above top secret clearance. I was an infantry commander and then I was a public information officer so I had the knowledge of first-hand being able to experience it see it feel it touch it everything else when you talk to someone you must qualify them by asking who, what and how. What is your ex come about it? How do you A lot of people like to g because they want the rec I asked you originally wh

1:21:57 The answer should be air, then water and then food. Then shelter and then love well what has happened for a lot of young people is they've taken love as the number one requirement in the form of texting because it can instantly recognized oh I'm great or wonderful whatever you don't realize that their giving up or sacrificing personal freedoms I thought that was a really good point you made before we started recording, that a lot of people are getting their validation from status updates and having that phone on them all the time in the social media aspect because there is a deficiency in the love area. And it's like crying out for attention and I see that so often just telling people hey I'm eating a sandwich today everybody should know that

1:22:41 You don't really have anything to say but you're crying out for some type of attention, some type of validation because everybody is too busy to really love each other. Everybody's on their own I'd say capitalism puts us in a situation where it's every man for themself makes it hard to work in teams that are going to last a long time But yeah, there's definitely a love deficiency you know Foster Gamble talks about with the Thrive Movement he's here today. Yeah I thought that was a great point, that deficiency is being made up with the technology. I would agree with you Greg and when you think about... Here's a question that you can ask your listeners and this should be a question when you meet a stranger you should not be afraid to ask so what major contribution have you made to society? You think about it, that's a real deep question

1:23:30 Because in some regards people say, why are you asking me that? Well the answer is what value do you see in what you've done. How are you contributing to make this a better place instead of just taking which most people are they're takers there's very few givers or they're contributing only to the success of one corporation or one entity that isn't really doing anything or it and most cases working against the interests of the society as a whole. What they do is, they trade their labor for money and money is driving people in most respects if some... In fact one of the courses that I taught was called Mastery and one of the questions that we would ask is what is your purpose? A lot of you said do I have to have a purpose no you don't have to have a purpose but the people who can define their purpose clearly and succinctly in say two sentences

1:24:23 and can repeat it over and over the same thing, they're on focus. My purpose has been for many years is to help educate people so that they become empowered so they can teach other people through their own life experiences how to resolve problems or challenges That's a worthy goal and it's good that you found your path. I appreciate talking with you, Peter! It has been awesome the listeners have enjoyed it Do you have a website? Is there some place people can check out your work? I did but had it hacked so its down now. I do have an email address if you want to give me an email. Absolutely Its peter at the info

1:25:08 wizard w i c a r d dot net peter at the info wizard awesome well thanks again man enjoy the rest of the conference What's happening people? I'm here at the Conspiracy Con 2013 standing at the booth for Programming The Nation. Pretty awesome movie about subliminal images in media and commercials and whatnot. I'm here with the writer, producer, director of that movie Jeff Warick and he is going to tell us a little bit about it. Jeff how is it going man? Hey good Greg how are you doing? Can't complain! So what's uh...what's the main message behind this movie Programming The Nation

1:25:53 Well, the main message is that we're controlled in a lot of ways that we're completely unaware of. Media has a very pervasive effect on all society and so the goal is to control and keep people in line and dumbed down and uninformed and misinformed The film kind of covers a lot of those things and how it happens For me making the film was really 9-11 I guess was a catalyst for it. After 9-11, I started becoming curious as to a lot of things you know what happened on that day and with that event specifically but also start looking at media in new ways. I started looking at how the media was beating the drum for war in Iraq

1:26:37 and how they were juxtaposing images of Saddam Hussein and 9-11 when Saddam was never involved with terrorism, 9-11. And that they never ever found weapons of mass destruction there so things like that kind of I looked at the media why they were doing that I knew that the war was going to be inevitable. And so since then, all we've been doing is fighting this long war on terror which is just a ploy to keep people afraid and and in line, and so the film kind of takes a look at these things. I try to... It uses subliminal messaging as kinda the narrative thread that pieces it all together but we talk about things like Project Harp in Alaska psychological operations that our military industrial complex is using and has used here at home similar to things like project MK Ultra in the 60s and 70s now they have much more sophisticated

1:27:36 ways of programming the population and also as weaponry too, when you think about it. And what they can do without even having to shoot a bullet or launch a bomb or missile or anything so... Absolutely, man. I mean i've seen the trailer here it's got a high production value It's pretty awesome going through some of the commercials and stuff seeing Sex written in the ice and you know the marketers aren't doing that for no reason You know there's obviously something in our brains that is taking that in that we're not aware of And uh...it's pretty cool to see all the examples lined up like you have in the movie The production quality is great are you planning any anything any follow-up to this one?

1:28:18 In terms of a follow-up, I mean, I'm not really engaged in any current projects but we are looking at doing a second film on this. And you know what's funny is after finishing the film I kind of realized how What we cover in the film is really just the tip of the iceberg. How there's so much more going on, there are things like government harassment and eavesdropping that is becoming more prevalent particularly with people who are truth seekers as well as free press you know they don't want to be free So they want to monitor them follow them harass them and use a lot high tech means

1:29:00 Absolutely man, that's awesome. So just tell the people where is the movie available online for free? Yeah it's available at programmingthenation.com which is our website so you can go there and check it out and there's a play now button and you can watch the movie online Awesome man thanks alot appreciate it What's up folks we're still here at the conspiracy con on the final few hours I'm here with the man big daddy Ron Patton He's the guy from paranoia, the publisher of Paranoia magazine. Ron how is it going? It's going quite well Greg How are you? I can't complain man it's been fun being neighbors with you through this event how do you think this one stacks up compared to previous conspiracy cons

1:29:49 Well, it's been pretty good for the most part. I mean it is a different venue we were meeting at the Santa Clara Marriott since the beginning and I think since 2000 so you know there was bit of an adjustment as far as how tables were set up but I think that crowd was still very enthusiastic Happen to be able to sell quite a few books and magazines. So I think it went well for me in that respect, right? That's the reason why we're here primarily is to pay the bills But it's a bit of a trek for me And it's awesome that in a couple of months you're gonna have an event a little closer to home We're both from San Diego In conjunction with conspire with Comic Con You're gonna have the paranoia con where our

1:30:34 Our buddy Adam Gowriely is going to be speaking as well as a couple other people. What else is going on there? Well, it's gonna be held July 19th 20 and 21st and It's gonna be very reasonably priced $20 a day or fifty dollars for three days So you really can't beat that as far as the price is concerned But the quality of speakers I think are exceptional. We're going to have John Judge, who's a prolific writer about political assassinations and then of course like Greg mentioned before Adam Goe-Wrightley who is going be the upcoming radio host for Paranoia Magazine Radio and he's a very prolific writer for Paranoia as well and has written several really great books

1:31:23 And then we're going to have Ken Thomas, who's a conspiracy icon. Former publisher of Steam Shovel Press and then We just have a new addition actually Dr.. Lauren Murray Who is going to be talking about? Fukushima and the effects that it had not just in the United States but worldwide I think that's going to be extremely intriguing And Andy Colvin will also be there, known as a Mothman photographer and researcher of anomalous creatures. And then Cynthia Hamill who's from San Diego she is going to be talking about electronic harassment and organized gang stalking. Then a good friend of mine Marie D Jones will be discussing time travel and sort of separating the fiction from the fact

1:32:20 So that's just a few speakers that we're going to be having. And again, that's July 19th, 20 and 21st and you can check periodically at www.paranoiacon.com for updated information Right on, Ron. Well alright people we're gonna get back to the tables have a couple more beers try to get through the rest of this day and take the long trek back to sunny Sandy all right man thanks for talking to me it's a pleasure Greg all right well see you next month peace