Sunday, 28 April 2013

THC 54: Scott Alan Roberts | Ancient Reptilians & Modern Day Conspiracy

A former minister deconstructs the global serpent archetype to reveal how ancient Sumerian myths and Gnostic texts shaped the modern mythology of reptilian bloodlines.

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About this episode

Author Scott Alan Roberts challenges the traditional biblical narrative by tracing the pervasive serpent archetype from the Garden of Eden to modern secret societies. Roberts, a former youth pastor turned researcher, joins Greg Carlwood to detail findings from his book The Secret History of the Reptilians and his recent archaeological expedition to the Sinai Peninsula with Dr. John Ward. The discussion centers on the historical identity of Moses and the linguistic migration of Sumerian deities into the Hebrew Pentateuch.

Roberts argues that the Sumerian god Enki served as the original template for the serpent in Genesis, acting as a liberator who provided humanity with the knowledge to escape divine bondage. The analysis covers the Serpent Seed doctrine, the Merovingian bloodlines, and the mythological connection between the Tribe of Dan and the Irish Tuatha Dé Danann. Roberts critiques the academic accuracy of Zecharia Sitchin while evaluating the modern reptilian theories popularized by David Icke, distinguishing between ancient archetypes and contemporary digital hoaxes.

Beyond the esoteric genealogies, the conversation explores the Gnostic Gospel of Judas and the role of betrayal in messianic prophecy. Roberts reflects on his transition from the ministry to advertising, a journey that fueled his investigation into the Elohim and the plural nature of the divine. The segment concludes with a look at the upcoming Paradigm Symposium in Minneapolis featuring Giorgio Tsoukalos and Scott Walter.


CHAPTER 01 / 21 Discussion

Scott Roberts Discusses Secret History of the Reptilians

Host Greg Carlwood introduces author Scott Roberts to discuss his book, The Secret History of the Reptilians. The conversation establishes the pervasive nature of serpent archetypes in human history, ranging from the Garden of Eden to modern conspiracy theories regarding reptilian overlords.

scott roberts· greg carlwood· reptilians· secret history· serpent archetype

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Welcome back higher side chatters. You know the routine drinking a little drink smoking a little smoke from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood today We're gonna be talking about the reptilians ladies and gentlemen Yes From the sneaky serpent in The Garden of Eden and the dragons of ancient Chinese lore to the spirit guides of the ayahuasca journey in the true form Of The Queen of England, the reptile archetype

00:52 has been woven into human history and culture like brass bells on your favorite Christmas sweater. And today's guest, Scott Roberts wrote the book on it appropriately titled The Secret History of the Reptilians Scotty welcome to the show Hey Greg, thanks for having me. Of course man it's a real pleasure to have you here I enjoyed the book reptilian stories are definitely a guilty pleasure of mine and i love the all-encompassing approach covering everything from various serpent deities of religion and mythology right up to the redheaded stepchild of modern day conspiracy world The Dark Agenda of The Reptilian Overlords Yes! The vicious almost serendipitous reptilians Yeah.

CHAPTER 02 / 21 Discussion

Philip Coppins Legacy and Paradigm Symposium Keynote

Scott Roberts reflects on his friendship with the late researcher Philip Coppins, who wrote the foreword for Roberts' book before passing away in December. Coppins' wife, best-selling author Kathleen McGowan, is scheduled to deliver the keynote address at the upcoming Paradigm Symposium in his honor.

philip coppins· kathleen mcgowan· paradigm symposium· lost civilization enigma· archaeology

01:34 You know, I was also pleasantly surprised to see that Philip Coppins had written the foreword to your book. Yes! I was a huge fan of his and actually lucky enough to have him on the show about a year ago and he was so damn cool. We actually had another interview scheduled when his Lost Civilization Enigma book came out last fall and we missed each other on Skype and a few hours later he emailed me saying he was going to urgent care and I kept up with that battle through social media and I was shocked when he was unable to recover you know? you know philip was it was a friend of mine and and he wrote this for reform when i first asking phillip will you write the forward on a book and writing in reptilians ago so all he says i don't know scottie i have to see what you can say about this book and i said trust me it's right down your alley and i sent him always said there was the introduction of the book and he wrote back

02:22 within hours and he said, Oh absolutely. And he sent me off his forward and uh... he was at the paradigm symposium last year we had a little book release party for him there uh... for uh... lost civilization enigma Of course, within two months he had passed. And so on December 30th he was going to be back this year to this year's Paradigm Symposium and his wife Kathleen McGowan best-selling author she is going to be here in his place so to speak and she is gonna be delivering our keynote address this year

CHAPTER 03 / 21 Discussion

Paradigm Symposium 2013 Speaker Lineup and Details

The Paradigm Symposium is scheduled for October 17th through 20th in Minneapolis, featuring a variety of researchers from the alternative history and archaeology fields. Confirmed speakers include Giorgio Tsoukalos, Robert Baval, Scott Walter of America Unearthed, and L.A. Marzulli.

paradigm symposium· giorgio tsoukalos· robert baval· scott walter· minneapolis

02:58 Yeah, for those who don't know the Paradigm Symposium is a conference of sorts with a bunch of lectures. Giorgio Tsoukalos is there and a lot people have been on this show are going to be there. Nick Redfern and Marie D Jones are a couple of them but tell us about when does that start? When does that go off? That's gonna be October 17th through the 20th this year and it's here in Minneapolis and uh... we have some of the speakers back from last year you mentioned georgio sukkot swoop will be here we have a marie d jones in larry flaxman laird scranton dan madsen who you may not recognize his name off the top but if you ever saw the star trek communicator magazines and that the lucas films magazines in the star wars lord of the rings magazine he did all that use the publisher of all that

03:45 And so he will be back. Some of the new faces that are coming, we have Robert Baval who is you've seen him on Ancient Aliens on rare occasions but he is an Egyptologist You probably see him all over the History Channel and different documentaries out there in Egypt In ancient Egypt We've got Scott Walter who is with a new show on H2 this year which has been renewed for this next year America Unearthed He's going to be coming and speaking. If you haven't seen the show, he goes through all these different finds in America, archaeological finds and he examines those. And he has some pretty amazing theories going on really who came to America first? It is pretty neat stuff! He is a forensic geologist by trade

04:34 aid. what he feels is water damage as opposed to sand or erosion. I'm trying to think who else, L.A. Marzulli who wrote the New York Times best-selling trilogy on the Nephilim and does The Watchers series now and i'm trying to think off the top of my head because they don't have in front of me we've got a few other names that are new just go check it out ParadigmSymposium.com

05:09 And we've got tickets for sale there too. Yeah, it does seem like a great lineup I would advise anybody who can take the time to go have a little vacation because it seems pretty awesome! I myself was going to...I'm still considering picking up a vendors booth because I have a conspiracy themed t-shirt company and thought maybe I could come out there and sell some t-shirts Well I know The Boss so you give me a call Hey alright that's awesome well hey let's talk about Let's talk about you, man. From what I understand you've got a pretty extensive history of religious and biblical study both formal and informal right? Yes as a matter fact that kind of started out my

CHAPTER 04 / 21 Discussion

Scott Roberts Career Transition from Ministry to Advertising

Scott Roberts details his professional background, which began with formal biblical studies in seminary and a career as a youth pastor. He eventually transitioned into a 25-year career in advertising and creative direction while privately grappling with theological questions that the church could not answer.

bible college· seminary· youth pastor· advertising· dark night of the soul

05:48 My adult career, I was in Bible college then went on to seminary and did my Master Divinity. And I never finished that degree. I ended up taking a job out of town because prior to all that when I was in high school I started working as an artist at a graphic shop, small print shop. We're talking the late 70's so we're talking old-school stuff and drawing book covers and stuff like that, running the big litho cameras. I went on from there into advertising to really support myself when i was going to seminary. And I took a job out east and was gonna go back to school... of course you know how that goes! I'm gonna quit this year and I'm gonna go back once I get established out east. Of course! But then I just never got back in the school and spent the next 20-25 years in advertising

06:36 And so that's what I've been doing. I've been a creative director, an art director and illustrator, designer, digital artist, photographer or writer all the kind of jack-of-all-creative trades through most my life but at the same time as i was doing all this I would be in different churches I was in. I was very much into course you know when you go to seminary and Bible college here your into your faith so to speak And so I was a youth pastor through the 80s and part of the 90s, and I moved to Detroit for awhile. Took a position in an ad agency and was also the full-time youth pastor at our church

07:16 And so I always kept my hand in it, but through all of that. I had questions, I had things I couldn't find answers to and things when I'd start to research answers for them seemed to draw me further and further away from biblical source points. So I started a drift away a little bit and I wanted to find out the questions to some of these things that I could not get answers for or that I would get pet answers for Things that when I was in seminary and asked the questions, I'd be told I was a troublemaker. And sometimes tongue-in-cheek, sometimes very serious, I was told that. And I drifted more and more away from the church, away from seminary, started trying to research some things on my own, got into other things... You know, as was just told by a good friend of mine, Father Jack Ashcraft

08:09 Totally different denomination than I was in. I was in a very conservative, fundamentalist Baptist setting. Wow! Evangelical and But Father Ashcraft and I are good friends, and he said you're going through what we call the dark night of the soul. He says it's that searching trying to find the answers. He said I think you'll come back around him We'll see but...I've written the book on the Nephilim last year The Rise And Fall Of The Nephilim and then this book on the reptilians is kind of We've made it really a set by design of the book covers, by content. They really segue one off the other and there is a lot of connectivity there in the theories so I've written those two books this book The Secret History of the Reptilians its subtitled appropriately The Pervasive Presence Of The Serpent Throughout Human History Religion And Alien Mythos

CHAPTER 05 / 21 Discussion

Exodus Reality Research and Egyptian Archaeological Expedition

Scott Roberts discusses his upcoming book, The Exodus Reality, co-authored with British archaeologist Dr. John Ward. The research involved a month-long expedition to Egypt and the Sinai Peninsula to investigate the historical identity of Moses and the location of the biblical Mount Sinai.

egypt· moses· mount sinai· john ward· temple of hathor

09:06 And I, you know it's funny. I wrote that book and I finished that book last August or September And then within a couple of months, I had gotten a contract through New Page Books for my new book which I'm co-authoring with Dr. John Ward and we're actually in the midst of our final deadline now The book manuscript is all due to the publisher next Tuesday It's called The Exodus Reality and it's subtitled Uncovering the Real Historical Moses Identifying the Pharaohs and Examining the Exodus from Egypt Interesting

09:42 I went over to Egypt in January for about a month and Dr. John Ward, he's good friend of mine He is a British archaeologist that lives there He and his associate Dr. Maria Nilsson have the Sirius project And they also are officially working for the government of Egypt on the quarries of Gebel El Silsila, which is down south of Luxor before you get down to Aswan. So I went over and we went to all these sites related to what were writing about and he and I have two different theories on who Moses was but we kind of merge when it comes to the Exodus Mount Sinai all these places

10:22 We got to do things when we were on that trip that helped bolster this particular book. Just as a quickie, we drove over into the Sinai and wanted to see a mountain that we both believe is the holy mountain of God or Mount Sinai mentioned in Exodus. And we got over into the Sinai and we were the guests of Sheikh Barakat, of the region there. He had a Bedouin family and tribe and they put us up in big Bedouin tent for the night on the desert floor. We stood there in the moonlight that night and just saw the silhouettes of the mountains around us and said this is where it happened

11:05 And we also climbed the mountain of Serebet el-Khadim, which at the top of that mountain sits the 4,000 year old ruins of the Temple of Hathor. You'll see the immediate connection to the Exodus. Hathor was the calf goddess or the cow goddess of Egypt and when you think about the golden calf story and what they were doing while Moses was up in the mountains, you get an idea of some why we placed this mountain So, it was an interesting trip. I'll tell you this when I started doing interviews on the Reptilian book back in February had to get my head back into it because we were already very deep into the new book The Exodus and its just all consuming so I think I'm on mark today. Well let's talk about the book a little bit.

CHAPTER 06 / 21 Discussion

Zecharia Sitchin and Sumerian Translation Accuracy Debates

The discussion evaluates the work of Zecharia Sitchin and the academic criticisms regarding his translations of Sumerian cuneiform. Roberts argues that while Sitchin popularized the ancient alien theory, his linguistic interpretations of words like "Mu" were often stretched to fit a specific narrative of rocket ships and extraterrestrials.

zecharia sitchin· sumerian· cuneiform· anunnaki· linguistics

11:55 One thing that's talked about in your book, and Philip did touch on this when he was here, was the misleading translations of Zacharias Titchin. How much damage it did or didn't do to the ancient alien theory? But what's your opinion on that because he sort of credited as popularizing it but even the accepted interpretations of the Sumerian text still contain a lot of that children-of-the-gods material don't they? Yes It does and I think what it is Is that Zachariah Stitchen You hate to say I'm going to discredit this man's whole body of work because he mistranslated things. Um, I am one who wants to say that he was on something and had some great ideas and stuff that he put forward but ideas are ideas and that is all they are unless you can substantiate them

12:41 And it's the same with the ancient alien theory and all of this is that sometimes some of these things don't even reach theory status because they really have no evidence to examine. It's just ideas and putting forth, I can create a great account or a great story about how I think things took place and be very sincere about it but maybe have no evidence at all to back it up which makes it very hard be accepted by the academic community, who I get in constant arguments with and the scientific community who say well you can't have an idea. You can even propose an idea without evidence. And I said I disagree with that! You can have an idea.

13:25 You know, the idea that hey this stuff we breathe I'll bet you there's something more to it. There has got to be some chemical compound to it and by the definition of science oxygen could not have possibly existed before we were able to break down the compound. Right! You need that curiosity right? The curiosity has to be there well with Sitchin there were so many places where he tried to squeeze very large square pegs into very small round holes And he successfully pounded those pegs in, but some of his translation work of ancient linguistics was off. It was off enough where you can say it's kind of like this when I named my now three and a half year old son, I named him Flynn

14:13 And I wanted to find out what the meaning of the name Flynn was before we tacked it onto his birth certificate. Of course! So, I'm looking at the name Flynn and it says son-of-a-red-haired man. Well, I don't have red hair is a problem that I named him that then you look further and said son-of-a-red-hair king. I said well I could drop the red haired part and say I am the King of my family And then I saw one person had put in there, it means son of fire, son of thunder, son of the fiery victorious king. And I said up there it is! I'm grabbing that one and I don't know if that was an accurate definition at all but the same thing that Sitchin did he did that similar type of thing with linguistics

14:55 He found words and they didn't quite mean what he thought they meant, but he made them work. Like the word Mu, M-U that word is a word that he used to describe the children of the fiery rockets Now the problem with that is that mu has a definition of being conical And that's where he got, oh the nose cone of a rocket. But this conical definition means the conical sphere of the firmament in the sky and so he thought, oh conical rocket coming from the sky children of the fiery rockets there is no connotation to the word that denotes fiery

15:34 But the word Mu could be used to describe the sky, the blue of the sky. The clouds in the sky, the rain in the sky so he stretched it to mean it could mean the children of fiery rockets Problem is that particular word had nothing to do with rocket ships and there were a couple other places where he made stretches like this of language And the other problem was the ancient Sumerians And the Acadians actually left a lexicon of words in the cuneiform tablets where other languages of the region were compared. The definition for Mu was there, he just didn't research that far. That's where the problem lies with Sitchin is not so much that he didn't have ideas that may have worked but

16:21 He pushed things to work too, he went past the envelope with them. And that to me I ask the question in this book on reptilians is does that then discredit everything he does? And I say I have to say from an academic standpoint yes it does if you're that often and thats just one word But if you're that off, what does that do to the rest of the view of your scholarship in trying to find answers to questions? And so I looked into it. And I just wrote this, this morning in one of the sections of the book clarifying something. I said it's interesting when you have a story that comes from the Bible or any other source and it's just a legend or mythological tale take the Anunnaki for example apply into this if there is no direct evidence which for the Exodus and Moses there is not There is no piece of direct evidence out there that has been discovered

17:20 So, what you have to do is you have to go to then secondary archaeological evidence to see if the story in the Bible is plausible. Same thing with Sumerian cuneiform tablets. They're legends, they're mythologies, they're religious mythologies so you need to go... If there's no direct evidence out there stating that the Anunnaki were reptilians and were gods and so on You have to say it didn't exist that way until I can find something that makes it work or I need to go to secondary archaeological historical evidence, just see if there is a plausible fit. And so that's what needs to be done with all of this material and I know Sitchin didn't do that

CHAPTER 07 / 21 Discussion

Enki and the Sumerian Creation Myth of Atrahasis

Roberts recounts the Sumerian myth of Atrahasis, where the god Enki delivers humanity from the bondage of the chief god Elil. The narrative describes the creation of man as a slave race to perform labor for the gods, a story Roberts notes has significant parallels to later biblical accounts.

enki· atrahasis· elil· eridu· sumerian mythology

18:00 Sure. Well, let's talk about what is in there? You know, what do they actually say because they do still have some pretty compelling information you know about the rebel god of Enki being appointed to create humans and it's also funny that when you look at like when scholars translate old texts it's like if it seems pretty run-of-the-mill and normal then it would be history but if it seems fantastical than it would be religion It's kind of funny how they just have two separate categories based on, you know, how things...how they perceive what they're reading. I would agree with you on that. Umm..I think what you've got in the store-you have to go first of all back to the cuneiform texts. I don't read cuneiform, I'll be very honest with you. I have not made a life and career of ancient Middle Eastern linguistics so i have to rely on those who have

18:51 I picked up a book that is the ancient Mesopotamian mythologies and stories, as translated as recently about 15 to 20 years ago by Stephanie Daly. You can pick this book up anywhere. She has just simply gone to the cuneiform text and interpreted them or translated them directly into more modern English so we can understand that, and newer if you will scholarship on the linguistics of those periods. So what I did was, I went there and read the stories. And you find that – by the way these stories are exciting! I remember laying in bed one night with a small lamp on and reading this book. It's about 2 in the morning when I woke up my wife and said,

19:38 You have got to hear this. Listen to this story." And she sat up, much to her credit on there on her elbow with her chin in hand and listened very intently and she gave me a quick... That's fascinating! And she said, I'm going back to sleep now. But it's fascinating stuff when you start reading the interpretation they sound very biblical like biblical legends, biblical mythologies, biblical accounts when you get to the tale of Atrahasis, the human king who is looking for freedom from the gods there under this yoke of bondage to Elil, the chief God of the Anunnaki

20:19 And he prays to the patron god of his city, Eridu. And he prays to Enki who is also known as Iya but he prays and says Lord Enki hear the words of your servant your betrothed's servant and do bend your ear to us and bow down and release us from this heavy yoke of bondage And Enki hears his cry and says, I will bend down my ear to you. You are my faithful servant Atrahasis and I will come down and I will deliver you. This is the kind of text that's written there. It's very poetic the way it's written as well. To back this up a little bit though go back a little further. You've got Elil who is the chief god of the Anunnaki

21:04 Nowhere in any of these cuneiform texts does it say that the Anunnaki are reptilian in nature. There is nowhere it says that, but what they've done, the people who are proponents, Zacharias Sitchin, they have extrapolated that information from other source points that talk of reptilian connections, little reptilian statuettes things like this that they assume are the Anunnaki. There's a lot of stretching and a lot of squeezing and a lot of fitting to make these theories work One of the basic theories that they go to is that Enki, Ia who comes to deliver the humans from the bondage to the gods and he's one of the gods himself. He's an Anunnaki god

21:46 And he, what he does is he lives in the great Abzu, the underground underworld sea. He comes up to the Euphrates River backwaters all of the marshes around the city of Eridu where he is the patron god and he rides on his boat and loves this place. It's known as The Serpent's Marsh because it's filled with serpents And it still is today if you go to that region around the ancient city of Eridu. He is then quickly associated with the serpent marsh, he becomes known as the Serpent's Den, Ea's Den which there are some obvious connections to biblical stories there with that word. Ea's Den eventually becomes known as Iaden

22:33 And the interesting story is this, El-Lil chief of the Anunnaki gods just like Zeus is the chief god of the Olympians. This is their pantheon of gods He says we're so tired of digging our own trenches and our own canals and tilling our own ground and harvesting our own crops and mining our own resources let us therefore...and it says exactly this in the translation Let us therefore create primeval man to do our work for us And he conscripts Enki, and Enki gets a betelutu... I can't ever pronounce her name unless I've got it in front of me. The goddess and they create primeval mankind humanity to be a slave race to the Anunnaki

23:17 And then, as I mentioned, Atrahasis calls out after some time says we you know please take this yoke of burden off of us. Enki hears his cry comes down to the city of Eridu with his mighty men of valor and they teach Atrahasis and the humans how to rebel against the gods and fight for them and Atrahasis, and the humans win their freedom from the Anunnaki. And Enki is then because of this deed he and all his godly followers are condemned by the chief god Elil to dwell in the subterranean caverns of the earth forever as punishment.

CHAPTER 08 / 21 Discussion

Moses and the Migration of Sumerian Religious Concepts

The conversation explores the theory that Moses borrowed heavily from Sumerian and Egyptian cultures when writing the Pentateuch. Roberts traces the linguistic migration of god names, suggesting that the Sumerian Elil became the Canaanite El and the Sumerian Ea/Iya became the basis for the name Yahweh.

moses· genesis· pentateuch· elil· yahweh

23:59 Fast forward about 1,500 years to the writing of the book of Genesis. I believe Moses wrote the book of Genesis and without getting into what i'm writing about in this new book there's a lot of proof for Moses being an actual person And I don't believe there is any reason to doubt that tradition on that three major religions of the world Let say Moses wrote the Pentateuch He was just another guy in history, and he wrote and founded the Jewish religion and really built religion out of nothing. And I believe he borrowed a lot from the Egyptian culture, and he borrowed a lot—a lot from the Sumerian culture."

24:38 Listen to the similarities in this story as we know from the Genesis account that God created Adam and Eve Placed them in the garden to do what it says and God placed Adam and even the garden to till the ground And keep it for him. Mm-hmm, and instead of Conscripting or creating them as slaves and making them do the work he puts him in paradise where they're doing the work anyway right then you have In the Sumerian story, you've got Enki, Iya who comes and delivers the people from slavery. Now all of this by the way is a migration of religion from the fertile crescent up around what is now Iraq

25:20 They move down into the Canaanite region, which becomes Israel later. But the Canaanites pick up the names—the chief god of the Anunnaki Elil becomes El of the Canaanites, E-L and the Hebrews picked that up. That's the definition. That's the Hebrew word for God is El coming from the more ancient Elil in the Sumerian culture El is the same God that you find in words like Elohim and El Shaddai, and El Elyon. All these names of god in the Hebrew Old Testament. Enki, Iyah, the migration of religion brings his name down into the Canaanite culture. And Iya becomes the base word for Yahweh which is Jehovah in the Jewish religion

26:05 So the names of the Anunnaki gods just migrate down into new religion and are borrowed, and they become the names of the gods in the Jewish caste of gods if you will. It's almost as if El Elohim God among many god of Gods He is a different character than Jehovah, but they're made to sound synonymous in the English Bible. They're two different characters and The migration of this story then goes this way in that when God creates Adam and Eve puts them in the garden There's a serpent character the serpent in the Garden of Eden. And we were all taught that was who? Satan, the devil Lucifer. Well he's never called that in the passage it's a thousand years later before though the name Satan is even attributed to the serpent in the garden and even at that that's our interpretation of that It talks about somewhere in them in the prophets the prophetic books it talks about this that old serpent in the garden

27:10 and they're relating it to Satan. Well, it could very well be according to Jewish scripture that that's who that is but he's not called that in the Garden of Eden story He's known as Nekosh if you look at the Hebrew for the serpent its Nekosh and Nekosh by definition means bringer of forbidden knowledge or I'm sorry bringer of knowledge, bringer of illumination the illuminated one. The trickster the bringer of chaos and Chaos by the way isn't necessarily a negative word in ancient linguistics It just means that the one who delivers this knowledge and it illuminates That the result can be a chaotic Set of circumstances like the trickster archetype that we hear about yes as a matter of fact tricksters is one of the definitions right? And

27:59 And he's very similar to, look at the, and I cite this one in the book, the Lakota, the Native American story of creation. How the man and woman rise up out of the subterranean caverns of the earth and see light for the first time And Iktope, the trickster character, a god falls in love with their daughter and impregnates her. And she has, uh...I think it's triplets or quadruplets something like that The same thing in the Garden of Eden story. I believe this story is not one being tempted to eat forbidden fruit

CHAPTER 09 / 21 Discussion

Serpent Seed Doctrine and the Lineage of Cain

Roberts presents an allegorical interpretation of the Garden of Eden, suggesting the "fall" involved a sexual encounter between Eve and the serpent character, Nakash. This theory posits that Cain was the biological offspring of the serpent, establishing a "mixed" bloodline distinct from the line of Seth.

cain· abel· nakash· garden of eden· serpent seed

28:39 It is an allegorical tale. You can look at it as literal if you want, but it's an allegorical tale and by the way all of this fits into just examining different creation stories in the basis for this reptilian notion. All the parallels are pretty staggering Yeah, the parallels are mind-blowing As a matter fact when I first researched this out I sat back on my chair and had holy Shiite And so I'm reading through these accounts, and it appears to me from all accounts when you get out of a simply evangelical or Jewish mode, a synagogue in a Sunday school mode and you start digging into these texts. You find that the encounter between Eve and Nakash is a lot more than simply eating fruit

29:27 It has something to do with sexual encounter. It has to do with the impregnation of Eve, it has to do with the race interrupted from the get-go And because it says that the serpent tempted her, which is the same word in the Hebrew for seduced. She took she ate all the verbs are pretty common verbs but it ties into this whole idea of sexual encounter she eats she gives to Adam he eats and so in a sense It's almost like there's their sexual experience going all the way around here and the result of all this Is that Eve conceives?

30:06 And she conceives, the Bible doesn't say twins but you look at every other first family in creation and all different religions and most all of them talk about either the wife of the first family or the daughter of the first family bequeathing multiples. Twins, triplets quadruplets quintuplets things like that in almost every story that exists So I extrapolated that information over and said comparative religions say that the wife of the first family in many cases bore multiples. Well, it says she has Cain and Abel. It never says they're twins, it just says Cain is older and there's at least two other times in the Bible where you find that significant twins are born and the eldest is always the one who bears the birthright, the one who was born minutes before. And the same with Cain and Abel he's the firstborn. I believe that the story is teaching us that Cain is the son of Eve and Nacosh

31:06 while Abel is the son of Adam and Eve. And you know the story, they're giving their offerings to God these two boys and Abel's offering is accepted because it's blood and so on and it ties into The Fall in all that. While Cain's not so Cain murders his brother And you see all these conversations between God and Cain, but you never see conversations between God and Abel. Now if they ever existed in the mythology those are lost to antiquity but I found it very interesting that that God only spoke to Cain but he never spoke to the righteous one Abel He says to Cain, Cain you're being tempted sin is lying at the door don't murder your brother in other words

31:54 But you never see God saying, hey Abel watch out your brother's gonna kill ya. There is no record of that and then God comes to Cain after the murder And you know, we know all the story of that. He marks Cain and Cain goes off to another city and marries a woman! And has a child! It's like where'd she come from? That's a totally different tributary we will not go down today But he builds a city and names it after his son Enoch. It is not the Enoch in the famous book This is nine generations earlier by biblical accounting But he names his son Enoch and he names a city that he built. He builds a city, city for him and his wife and his son I guess. Ambitious. Very ambitious. We're gonna fill these towers! Um but uh... he names it after his son Enoch Now Enoch linguistically you have to trust me on this you can look it up Linguistically the e becomes a u the n becomes an r for the ancient linguistics of languages in the area

CHAPTER 10 / 21 Discussion

Elohim Plurality and the Messianic Bloodline Conflict

The discussion analyzes the plural nature of the word "Elohim" in the Hebrew Bible and its implications for the "sons of God" narrative. Roberts argues that the Old Testament genealogies specifically track a pure human bloodline to produce a Messiah, intentionally avoiding the "serpent seed" lineage of Cain.

elohim· messiah· kinsman redeemer· genealogy· nephilim

32:52 And Enoch becomes the word Uruk. And Uruk is the name of the first city, and Uruk is the original name for Iraq. This is where this took place in what is now Iraq. Let's go back to The Garden Of Eden story for a minute. Right after the fall you see passages right near English Bible look at Genesis 3 And it says, and God said... Now the word for God being used there is the word Elohim. And Elohim is the name for God used almost 3,000 times in the Old Testament

33:28 And the name by definition means El, God. And him just like in northern Nephilim, the him is a plural suffix tacked onto a word to denote plurality in the Hebrew language So Elohim literally means by definition god of or among or from many gods and it's a plural term but it could be used singularly as well depending on the context of the sentence you find it in Just like our word deer, I always say deer. The singular, I see a deer in my front yard plural. I see a group of deer or herd of deer in my backyard and so Elohim it says in Genesis three and Elohim said the humans have eaten of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and have become just like us plural let us therefore prevent them from also eating of the tree of life

34:24 lest they become just like us, eternal. And so they go down and they kick him out of the Garden of Eden. At the cursing God says to the serpent he utters what is known as The First Messianic Prophecy, the prophecy of a coming Messiah and who the Christians believe is Jesus. And so, the first prophecy of a Messiah comes right at the Garden of Eden! You ask any rabbinic scholar or Christian scholar? They will concur with you that this... When God says this He's speaking a messianic prophecy. He says to the serpent, "...and there you will bite his heel but he will come and return and crush your head."

35:07 It's a picture of the coming Messiah. Now, the Messiah in the Jewish sensibility, the Hebrew sensibility was the same as what they began calling The Kinsman Redeemer, The One Who Would Be One Of Us Redeemer and you have this all through the Old Testament. The story of the Messiah is that the Messiah is the kinsmen redeemer, the one who would be one of us that can redeem us And when they say that over and over again, the one who is one of us. The kinsmen this is the Messiah They're obviating the opposite if they have to keep telling you he's gonna be one of us He's from our blood. He's one of us They're telling you what's the opposite of that? That he would not be of the same blood as us and then you go through all the genealogies in the Old Testament

35:59 And all the genealogies are there and they follow the firstborn sons all the way through, all the way up to Noah then all the way up to David. Then even the followers of Jesus took Mary and traced her lineage back to David because after the time at David there was this added wrinkle on the Messiah that he had to be of the lineage of David, the king of Israel so they trace him back to David then trace David back to Noah and trace Noah back to Adam but not through the firstborn. They break tradition when they get all the way back to the beginning, why? Because Cain murdered his brother is that's reason they don't follow the Kenite line? No! They follow the line of Seth the third born because Cain is not a pure human blood. Cain is of the line of the serpent

36:44 the serpent character, Nekosh in the garden. And he is of the mixed blood and the Messiah could never sprout from his seed." And remember when I told you that the messianic prophecy in the Garden of Eden? God then looks at all of them and He says to Adam, Eve and the serpent, "...and there will be constant enmity or conflict between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman," or the seed of humans And this sets it up for the whole Old Testament. And I would dare say that the story of the Messiah really piggybacks the story of race interrupted and the fact that there is a separate bloodline. Now, all of this

CHAPTER 11 / 21 Discussion

Global Serpent Deities and the Dissemination of Knowledge

Roberts compares the biblical serpent to other global deities, such as the Chinese dragon, the Hindu Krishna, and the Mayan Quetzalcoatl. He notes that while the West often views the serpent as evil, many other cultures revere these figures as bringers of fertility, illumination, and civilization.

quetzalcoatl· krishna· chinese dragon· feathered serpent· forbidden knowledge

37:26 fits under if you take yourself out of the box and look back in this is all religious mythology is all it is right, but It matches up to the Sumerian mythology or at least has similarities the Sumerian mythology And this mythology is followed all the way through the Old Testament. It's also followed through other cultures in the world that all have these reptilian figures at the core of their theologies, that are either out and out reptilian characters or they are reptilian in nature or they have some linkages to some reptilian god and they're not always evil. For instance, The Chinese Dragon

38:08 Is never shown as an evil character. He's always a happy it's it I read definitions on this is he's the happy snake? He's the happy dragon the happy reptilian He's one who brings fertility and love and goodness and happiness to the Chinese people And so they were not always represented that way. But then you have other instances in history that talk about reptilian connections without mentioning reptilians, take Krishna of the Hindu religion talks about him sitting atop a coiled serpent in a beautiful garden beneath the banyan tree disseminating the forbidden knowledge of the gods

38:48 You have Quetzalcoatl, the Mayans, the feathered serpent god who disseminates the forbidden knowledge of the gods and is condemned by the gods for his act. And this story is repeated over and over again in different religions but connected to them all the time is this notion of the serpent character disseminating knowledge of some kind. You know, I don't know if i could be a good cheerleader for the David Icke theory of that the Queen of England and the Bushes are literally reptilian shapeshifters but I've come across many researchers who believe that at the top levels of say the Illuminati or Masonry or even the Catholic Church it's a closely guarded secret that the rituals and ceremonies created for the lower levels—or the masses—are veiled

CHAPTER 12 / 21 Discussion

Secret Societies and the Modern Mythology of Reptilians

The conversation shifts to modern secret societies and the claims made by researchers like David Icke regarding reptilian shapeshifters. Roberts compares the development of modern "reptilian dogma" to the way historical figures like Constantine and Muhammad unified people through the creation of monotheistic religions.

masons· illuminati· david icke· monotheism· constantine

39:47 Homages to Satan or the light bringer or the illuminated one and it's kind of interesting that the snake nikosh is Synonymous with the illuminated one and it's it's odd because the mass itself revolves around the preparation and cannibalism Of a graphic human sacrifice And then it's hidden within a lot of flowery language of standing kneeling and sitting at least that's my interpretation because it's a pretty dark ritual when you really look At what? The masses are is symbolic of. and I've even been asked if i wanted to become a mason at a couple of different times. Oh you gotta do it! Now, I haven't done it uh... the times that I didn't do it wasn't because any philosophical problem I had with them or like oh no you have reptilians in your hierarchy you know wasn't that was preventing me just I didn't have time to do it uh... then I missed every time they had initial meetings and so I still got friends who are masons and um... I asked them point blank

40:56 I said, do you guys eat children and goats? And the answer is always oh yes we do. And of course tongue in cheek but if there is some deep dark secret at the higher levels we get those from people who say they've been there and in those positions But I have my doubts that we really know anything for sure Is there symbolism that might come into it perhaps? the illumination of course and you get the Illuminati out of that and David Ike will tell you the reptilian That exists on this planet. That are that our extraterrestrial Reptilians running the planet behind-the-scenes are even behind the illuminati, right

41:38 and uh... and of course it you know i say that a bit tongue-in-cheek in a it's like saying uh... you know the easter bunny He's the one who really controls the real Santa Claus. You know, and I only say it that way to illustrate the point is we don't know right? We have no idea this is all our mythology and what my book does is really trace The ancient mythology and religion building and how we've done the same thing in our current mythologies of the reptilians. We've created, there is a subculture of people out there if you will that believe in the ancient alien-reptilian factor but they don't know for sure and they have no idea but they believe this and it's a belief like a religion do I know that Jesus is THE son of God? I don't know that! I could believe that by faith

42:34 But I have no proof of that other than what's in my heart if i'm a christian same for judaism same for islam Same thing. These are all religions that were built off of older religions, uh as a matter of fact in fear of a foot of fatwa um It was muhammad That was trying to unify the arab tribes and and they all worshipped 360 different gods at Mecca. And he had a mentor who was a Christian man, a mentor who was a Jewish man and they told him if you ever hope to unify your tribes and your people into one You have to have a monotheistic religion

43:14 And this is really what Constantine was doing, the first Christian emperor of Rome. He used Christianity to do two things establish that there is one God equals one Emperor One religion equals one Empire This is what Mohammed did and he discarded 359 of the gods of their pantheon of gods and he took hadal and raised him up instead and renamed him Allah And he says this is all love. This is our God our monotheistic god, and he founded Islam and he unified his people

43:50 This is what Moses did. This is what many religions builders have done throughout the millennia, and this is what you've got with I believe the reptilian proponents today. They're not building a religion to unify the people but Maybe not on the surface, but they have practically built religion. They've got their own theology They've got their own dogma and their own doctrine if you will that's different You know doesn't save your soul or anything like that But it's one that is all based on these old Mythological notions of these mythological characters say you see The Masons the whole illumination thing One thing I studied in great depth

CHAPTER 13 / 21 Discussion

Gnostic Perspectives on the Serpent and Human Bondage

Roberts explores Gnostic interpretations of the Garden of Eden, which view the serpent as a liberator providing humans with the knowledge necessary to escape the bondage of a jealous creator. This perspective mirrors the Sumerian story of Enki assisting humans in their rebellion against the gods.

gnosticism· elohim· forbidden knowledge· enki· liberation

44:35 for the Nephilim book was Elohim, and we always have been taught in Judeo-Christianity that God is the one God. The monotheistic god however I think that's different. I think the Bible in its subtext teaches that there is a pantheon of gods in the Hebrew religion, therefore the Christian religion. In Psalm 82 you have God Elohim it says an Elohim stood in the midst of the Elohim and he said to them You are all Elohim The bright shining illuminated princes of heaven

45:12 And this is where we get Nekosh. He's one of the Elohim, the sons of God who bequeathed the Nephilim with human women They are known in the Hebrew tongue as the Bene Ha'Elohim The Sons of the God of Many Gods The Illuminated Ones Yeah, it's just...it is kind of weird. I mean going back to Nakash because it was about a thousand years until people started attributing Satan to that snake and that's what I wonder Is it because of manipulation trying to create a history that's more suited for control of the masses or was it a mistranslation? Because there are a lot conspiracy theorists who talk about

45:51 the manipulation of the masses to to Worshiping they're putting their energy into a worship of Satan which is veiled between all in all this mythology and that's kind of interesting because it comes back to this snake creature being called the illuminated one and then you talk about the the fact that that archetype is someone who gives knowledge to the human race and elevates them to a level. And, that's kind of what these dark societies try to do as they've elevated themselves to what they might consider positions of godliness. Well this is interesting because with the Gnostics—the Gnostics are ones that don't know—they're seeking knowledge by definition

46:36 They're the ones who will tell you that the serpent in the garden, that the sin of the serpent in the garden was delivering forbidden knowledge to the humans. And remember I told you there was a passage where Elohim says right after the fall eating of fruit He says, they've eaten of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Let us prevent them from eating of the other... The two questions that came out to me after that and maybe this is from some of the Gnostic influences I read. The first question was what did Elohim or God have against humans having knowledge? That was the first question. And the second one was if he is saying that they could become just like him and we need to prevent that

47:22 Who was he really that humans, a created being could become just like him? And that's where some of my questions came about. About the and I only use the word mythology not to send anybody into a tizzy or ask anybody to leave their faith but in stepping outside the box to look back in you say this is just the Hebrew version of creation mythology and so the question is why is that not more clearly taught You have to dig for that and find it hidden in the language, and in comparative texts in the scripture to find that this is substantiating that story. So the Gnostics in believing that all of the serpent character was doing was illuminating the humans and helping them free themselves from the bondage of Elohim

48:13 which is exactly what Enki Ia was doing for Atrahasis and the humans. He was delivering them the knowledge and fighting for them to free themselves from the bondage of Elil, and the stories are so similar it's crazy! Yeah, what's the point of say the Catholic Church putting such an so much energy and emphasis on demonizing that character? That should be a character that freethinkers appreciate which is you know again getting into at the higher levels of masonry why they might you know, veil that type of worship because it just seems weird that they put so much energy into demonizing that. And I think maybe it has something to do with the idea of control and then I kind of believed that religion was put in place for control—you know creating the idea of heaven and earth saying if you aren't listening to us and donating in this life—this eternal life... This is the practice life! You're dealing with the practice life now but this real life let me tell ya' it's gonna be great as long as you give your money and do what I say

CHAPTER 14 / 21 Discussion

Free Will and the Symbolism of the Forbidden Fruit

The hosts discuss the logical paradoxes of free will within traditional Christian theology, specifically the concept of eternal punishment. Roberts highlights a specific detail in the Genesis text where Eve perceives the fruit as something that would "make her wise," emphasizing the theme of seeking hidden knowledge.

free will· christian theology· hell· wisdom· biblical allegory

49:15 I'll tell you a lot of this just ties into some of my big questions i had about evangelical Christianity. I would say if hell is a very real place taught in the Bible that you spend all of eternity in this torment and this separation from the love of God for it's hard to wrap our brains around the word because we're finite creatures but infinity, all of infinity, all of eternity existing in this tormented state I said, why did God simply leave it up to people? Human beings in finite beings to believe a certain thing. A certain way when it's only recorded and old scriptures and there are hundreds of other philosophies to choose from my big question was if God gave us free will

50:10 We are condemned if we express that free will and practice free will. If I choose God, I don't want to be a follower of yours." Well you've exercised your free will but what does that do according to Christian theology? It sends you on the hell express! And so... It's a catch-22. So what is free will really? And I kind of look at it this way. If God is who the Bible says he is, we're his anyway. He can do whatever the hell He wants with us no pun intended there if he owns us and owns the universe He could wipe that out of existence in a breath according to biblical theology But he would be going against His own creation and structure He set in play of free will but that free will

51:00 is not something you can express and hope to be in favor with God. And so, I'm not saying that as if that's not my theological base, I just look at these things and ask these questions. This is the question you have to ask when you look at all of this. By the way, it's something I forgot to mention, it just popped into my mind there is something in The Garden Of Eden story That is a clue even in the English language It's a clue if it doesn't look like total mythology to begin with or an encoded story on top of a mythological story Just look at what happened when the serpent offers her the fruit or says you can eat that fruit What does it say Eve does and so she looks at the fruit and sees that? It looks good to the eye

51:47 Then it goes on to say this and she saw that it was something that would make her wise Now there was a clue for me in the English language Even not even digging into the text. It's like how often do I look at a piece of fruit and say hmm? That looks mighty tasty, and it looks good. It looks like it'll be sweet right And you know what it also looks like something that's gonna bring me wisdom when I eat it What are you looking at there? I mean if it's supposed to be sexual I mean the dick doesn't make you wise either No, but I think what it is its knowledge. It's the increase of knowledge oh

52:22 It's the knowledge that they did not have before. What was the first thing you noticed when it says that they fell? They realized that poof, they were naked and they hide from God And who told you you were naked, God asks them. You know? So it's the revealing of things. It's the uncovering of things and she saw that whatever this was he was offering as symbolized in the fruit it was going to uncover her lack of knowledge and give her wisdom and gain knowledge of something And not to harp on the same point I've been bringing up, but that's kind of what the conspiracy says about the Illuminati or the Masons is at these top levels they hide knowledge. They hold that fruit

CHAPTER 15 / 21 Discussion

Gospel of Judas and the Role of Betrayal

Roberts discusses the Gnostic Gospel of Judas, found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, which presents a radically different version of the betrayal of Jesus. In this text, Jesus specifically asks Judas to betray him as a necessary act to fulfill prophecy, portraying Judas as the most enlightened disciple.

gospel of judas· gnosticism· dead sea scrolls· jesus· qumran

53:09 that they could share, but apparently they keep to themselves. I think that there's a lot of information that we have in our religious studies... Let's stick to Judeo-Christianity There are a lot of things that are hidden things to us It was very interesting another point on this whole flip flopping of an idea Remember at the Last Supper and Judas takes off and betrays Jesus for 30 pieces of silver, and he is demonized forever as the one who betrayed the Savior. But if you go to one of the Gnostic books, the Gnostic gospels, The Book of Judas which was found amongst the trove of the Essenes in the caves of Qumran, The Dead Sea Scrolls was the book of Judas and when they finally translated this book

54:06 You've got Jesus at the Last Supper, before the meal starts he takes Judas aside and He says to him you of all my disciples are the one who gets it. You get the deeper mysteries And He says therefore I am calling on you to help fulfill the prophecy that I would be betrayed And in the gospel of Judas, he of course is rankled by this and heartbroken by this. But he does it out of altruism following his master's command betrays Jesus and then he is so distraught over this that he commits suicide but remember at the last supper Jesus said one of you is going to betray me

54:46 And all the disciples are like, oh my God! Who is it? Is it me? It's not me. Is it... and then it says whoever dips his bread into the sauce with Me will be the one and it says he broke His bread and He dipped into the sauce and immediately Judas dipped his bread in the sauce and Jesus looks at him and He says go do that thing that you have been appointed to do That's just in the Gospels that exist now. People have written that off as, well it was a fate kind of fateful satanic appointment but when you compare to the Gospel of Judas which was of course booted out of the canon of scripture You've got a completely different story So what is the real answer? What is the real question?

55:35 If God exists the way we were taught has not made it clear. You have to believe it by faith or accept something else by faith, or you tend to do what the atheists do or academic thinkers do they separate themselves completely from it because they say doesn't look like what was taught there's more to this story or there is a lot less to this story All of this is philosophy that goes into looking at the story of the reptilians. Do they exist as an alien race that came here in prehistoric times and genetically bred humans, and created a slave race? And we broke away from that slave race according to the mythology there was a terrestrial earthbound

CHAPTER 16 / 21 Discussion

Merovingian Bloodlines and Esoteric Nazism

The discussion traces the "serpent seed" doctrine through the Merovingian kings of France and into 19th-century German occultism. Roberts explains how the Thule Society and eventually the Nazi party incorporated myths of Atlantis, Lemuria, and superior bloodlines into their political ideology.

merovingians· thule society· adolf hitler· atlantis· occultism

56:26 race of reptilians that fought against them and The the terrestrial bound lost and they were back into the subterranean caverns of the earth but the the the Conquerors they dwell behind the scenes And they are manipulating and controlling everything from behind the scenes right that brings us to modern-day It brings you two modern day apparently And all of this stuff comes up through the Merovingians. It comes up, who are the Frankish rulers in what is now France in 300s to 700s. They bring in the whole serpent seed doctrine. Merovic, the founder of the Merovingian said that he was not only of the blood of Christ-this whole Priory of Sion issue comes in.

57:14 the blood, I can't think of a word now. The blood of Christ that Christ lived and had descendants and that they were descended from the blood of Christ but also from the blood of the serpent or Lucifer he says his mother was duly impregnated and he was born And this was done, why? Was it done because it's real or was it done because they were just trying to control the masses with these stories. These religious stories. This all led up into eventually this thinking led into all the thinking that is behind Lemuria, all of the thinking that is behind Atlantis, this greater race

57:51 theory that's out there. This was picked up by the German revivalists in the mid 1800s, and the Theosophist picked up the philosophy of the Lemurians that there are greater spirits to guide us if you will be positive side of the Aryan race thinking the race is greater than us and so on And they taught these things Madam Blavatsky wasn't teaching serpent seed doctrine she was teaching in a sense, one of your first New Agers teaching that whole theory. But then the Thule Society was founded to be a German revivalist movement, but it was two guys that were occultists that believe in this whole Lemurian thing. That also incorporated into the blood of Christ issue, the Luciferian issue. They were the illuminated ones and it was Adolf Hitler in 1919 who joined The Thule Society and he eventually turned The Thule Society into the National Socialist Workers Party, the Nazi party

58:54 And these are the things that we see that have come up all the way up through history, this occult stuff if you will. There are broken connections in here but it's really some of the same philosophies are morphing over into new philosophies And it's funny, there is even esoteric Nazism out there that says Hitler was actually the ghost or the spirit of Hitler. You can call upon it to empower you just like Hitler believed that they had the ghosts and spirits of the Atlanteans and Lemurians and these reptilian kings that they could call on

59:34 So, this is what's interesting about all of this. How this mythology morphs from one stage to the next and really it's nothing different than where it started. It's a mythology. time is what kind of makes it hard to believe. And I even feel the same way about, say the Rothschild dynasty or something like that or the history of central banking and these people are still in control because it's so multi-generational. People only live in 80 years, so it seems like it would be really difficult to control that amount of time but there is a history of monarchies protecting their bloodlines carefully planning out their lineage

CHAPTER 17 / 21 Discussion

Tribe of Dan and the Tuatha Dé Danann

Roberts connects the biblical Tribe of Dan to the Irish legends of the Tuatha Dé Danann. He suggests a mythological migration where Hebrews interbred with the remnants of the Anunnaki in the Middle East before moving west to found the ruling monarchies of Europe.

tribe of dan· tuatha dé danann· ireland· elven folk· anunnaki

1:00:14 with no regard for incest, but it's very weird. And then the Hitler stuff? He's obviously trying to engineer people or bring back some type of certain thing, but is the ruling class... Were they trying to preserve a high percentage of alien blood? Also does it really matter? Isn't it more important to ask why we've accepted a ruling class rather than their blood type anyway? Well that is at the core of that too and it's a question that doesn't get asked a lot. I find it interesting though before I forget to mention this During the Exodus, there was a tribe that broke off from Moses and the rest of the Israelites or the pending Israelites. The Hebrews and it was the tribe of Dan. And they went to the north of Canaan and they interbred with the tribes of the Anu who were the remnant of the Anunnaki according to the legend

1:01:10 And when you look at like Irish versions of the, what I call the Irish version of the Nephilim story. The Tuatha Dé Danann they were the children of the goddess Danu and they were the bright shining kings who descended from heaven and came down and had wars and then they were driven back into the hollow hills and became known as the Elven folk And of course the word elven is a derivative of the word El or Elohim. These bright shining again, these illuminated kings from heaven they were said to be of the tribe of the Tuatha de Danann and the Tuatha de Danann have also been called the Tuatha de Anann or the Tuatha de Anu instead of the Tuatha de Anu

1:01:59 or Danu, the goddess Danu. They compare to the race of the Anu and that they went north, they interbred with this tribe and they migrated to the west And they went through the Slavic countries and then into, into the European countries. And they founded all of the ruling families of these countries. They founded the ruling family of Wales, uh, the ruling family of England. Uh, they were all from this bloodline. So this is who knows how to trace that? There is no way to trace that but this is one of the legends as that

CHAPTER 18 / 21 Discussion

Critique of David Icke and New Age Theories

The hosts share their perspectives on David Icke, acknowledging his role in popularizing alternative research while expressing skepticism toward his more extreme claims. Roberts critiques Icke's "turquoise phase" and the theory that public figures are literally reptilians in cloned human skin.

david icke· shapeshifters· new age· turquoise· credibility

1:02:40 the Hebrews broke off and interbred with the descendants of the Anunnaki in north Syria, Lebanon up in Iraq and Iranian areas. And then moved west It's crazy. I love talking to people like you who've done a lot of that work and have really researched it because, it takes half a lifetime and you're still left without a lot of answers. And it's very frustrating for me every day we get a little bit further away from that source material so it gets lost incrementally everyday it's you know, it's pretty sad but I mean we are getting towards the end of the show and it really wouldn't be right to do a reptilian show without giving David Icke a few dedicated minutes. Oh yeah! You know personally David Icke did a lot to get me into researching The Alternative when I heard him talk about Sirhan Sirhan, the fallacy of the left-right paradigm or 9-11

1:03:30 But I feel like he sort of presents himself as a savior archetype, which is fishy right off the bat and sure. I love to listen to and talk to people who've dug through the mountains of documents To find clues of various government cover-ups but when you start talking about astral projection to zeta reticuli on Monday, channeling aliens on Tuesday. Harnessing the power of the crystal-infused meditation circle on Wednesday starts to make the whole thing seem a bit phony." I mean what are your thoughts on David Icke? Well i didn't spend a great deal amount of time in the book on David Icke but I did dedicate a chapter to him which I'm sure will now place me on the list of guys that will never be able to interview him

1:04:08 But, you know I have some respect for David Icke in the sense that if you listen to him if you watch any of his videos online If you've ever seen him he's He would be what I would qualify as a good man because he tries to teach good things. True! He tries to teach you about yourself and how, but he gets a little new agey for me which is a little too droopy and gobbledygook-ey for me at times. Agreed. But who's to say him no if he says that your spirit has the ability to transcend into something else? Fine okay Who cares so you're teaching something that I learn in church in a different way

1:04:46 But when he starts getting into his theories of the reptilians, of the reptilian races and even the Queen Mother and The Bushes are really reptilians in cloned human skin. That's where I say you're taking this a bit too far but I always have to put the caveat on it and say, well I don't know that for sure! Maybe he is right I just don't think he is. Want to trash almost anything he says about that stuff Declaring himself the son of God and a Messiah character his his turquoise Phase where he went through wearing everything turquoise because it drew the right color, you know things like that That's kind of an odd duck in my book. Right? You don't want to throw the baby out with a bathwater But this is like Zacharias stitchin', you know It's like right I mean

CHAPTER 19 / 21 Discussion

Faults of Biblical Patriarchs and Modern Digital Hoaxes

Roberts discusses the moral failings of biblical figures like Abraham and King David to illustrate that even foundational "messengers" are depicted with flaws. He also addresses modern "evidence" of reptilians, such as YouTube videos of shifting eyes, attributing them to simple Photoshop and digital artifacts.

abraham· king david· photoshop· reptilian eyes· biblical history

1:05:46 I mean nobody's perfect, but you kind of got to look at the messenger and check out their credibility. And you know what? Even the biblical patriarchs were all shown to have faults right within the scripture they all did screwy stuff You know, you think of guys like Abraham. He's promised that he will be the father of many nations and so many descendants that God had him look up at the stars one night and said count the stars and he said I can't And there's too many and God said, this will be what your descendants are like. And here's Abraham. What is he? 110 years old and his wife is 99 right that's weird. It's something like that. And he's got this promise but he has no kids. His wife is barren

1:06:34 So what does he do? He goes in and says, well God said it's going to happen. I better take my wife's handmaiden and have sex with her so that I can have some. Honey, did you have sex with my handmaiden? Why yes I did. Well i'm gonna divorce you. You can't! God promised me and I had to do that." You know it's an elaborate story built around...I'm just making a little light there on that but what this patriarch does is he takes matters into his own hands because he doesn't believe what god has told him as a matter of fact when the angels come in visit him the men that show up and they're angels of god one is like unto the son of god is what it says

1:07:18 They were just guys that came by and they predicted that Sarah was going to have a child. And Sarah was listening from behind the tent wall, and she laughs and they hear her laugh. They said you'll name him Isaac. What does Isaac mean in Hebrew? It means she laughed And it's a very interesting story. But here is a patriarch who took matters into his own hands, and because he did this what happened according to the legend? The son of Hagar, his wife's hand servant who was an Egyptian she bears Ishmael

1:07:54 and who is the father of many tribes, the Arabic tribes. And look at the conflict between the Arabic tribes and the Israeli tribes. You get an idea this is supposed to have laid the groundwork for the conflict between them all And so it's very interesting stories. Even when you look at the patriarchs, they all did something David, the man after God's own heart, the king of Israel he's called The Man After God's Own Heart, The Sweet Psalmist Of Israel, The Slayer Of The Giant who is by the way referred to as the Nephilim He and His Three Brothers Goliath and his three brothers of Gath. And David goes and hunts them all down over the next few years and kills them all

1:08:36 in the biblical scriptures, very obscure but it's there. But David this sweet psalmist of Israel what did he do? He has sex with Bathsheba while his soldiers are out fighting she becomes pregnant and what does he do? He tries to get her husband calls him back from the front wants him to go home take a vacation you know have sex with your wife things like these trying to get rid Baby connection to him how his wife could be pregnant without him being home and he doesn't do it He sleeps at the doorstep of David with the other soldiers on the floor because he said how can I go home? And enjoy my wife when my men can't do the same thing. And so he's so dedicated to David So David gives the order to the general and he says, I want you to all Rush the walls and then I want you to draw everybody back except except Uriah

1:09:28 Uriah the Hittite, who was this captain of the husband of Bathsheba. And of course he's slain in battle and David is called on by the prophet of God as you are the man He points the finger at him and so David in essence commits murder and adultery but he still known as the man after God's own heart because The other things he did in the forgiveness he asks afterwards and so on So all the Patriarchs are always shown to have these faults in the Bible stories You know, I'm spending a lot of time talking on biblical stuff. This is my training this is my background but these are the stories the other ones have been talking about that really give us the basis for the biblical version of this reptilian subculture or these reptilian beginnings and this is what I think it all is. If there's truth to all these stories then the reptilians if they exist today it is an offshoot of all of this mythology, this religious mythology

1:10:26 If they exist today, and you're not a believer in any of that this is where the connectivity is. It's in our ancient mythologies show their beginnings can we prove they exist? No David Ike will tell you and many followers, well all you have to do is...I was actually on a radio show last week and another host called in because he wanted me to take the task because he's a believer in the reptilian thing. He's kind of yelling at me out there, how can you overlook this? There are millions of photographs out there on the internet

CHAPTER 20 / 21 Discussion

Power Dynamics and the Reality of Human Control

The conversation concludes with a reflection on whether the biological nature of the ruling class matters as much as the actual systems of control they exert. Roberts argues that regardless of whether the "overlords" are aliens or humans, the lack of agency for the common person remains the primary issue.

ruling class· power structures· preppers· human agency· control

1:11:01 people with reptilian eyes and so on. And I said, you know, I'm a Photoshop designer. I've been a Photoshop guru since 1989 and i'll tell you what? You give me a picture of a guy in his eyes, I'l make him look reptilian, you won't be able to know the difference. I could do it in five minutes. They said its digital art. It just does not exist. And if any of those photos are real I'd be surprised right eat my hat agreed and again, I say when you look at the Real players the top of the pyramid in today's modern world and the way they're manipulating world events and affecting things Does it really matter if they have green skin or? scales or reptile eyes what matters is that we're being fucked and at least to me

1:11:48 Exactly. Well, I kind of put it this way when i was talking in the book on the Nephilim I said if there is a an alien race out there reptilian race that has complete power over us and I can use the word because you did We're fucked we have no control over it If its God It's exactly as the Bible says and he has complete control over our destinies, and we have no way to Conquer him if you will or go around him. We're fucked In essence, either way we don't own ourselves and somebody else controls us. And it doesn't matter how much 21st century psychological BS we want to spout It all comes down to we have no control over any of it If there is an alien race of reptilians here do we have the ability to conquer over them? Hell! We don't even know they exist so how do you that

1:12:48 So there you go. Maybe this is what the prepper shows are all about, right? Yeah, you gotta get ready Hey man Scott it's been a real pleasure getting to know you and talking to you I mean A lot of these biblical stories are great You know your other book The Rise and Fall of the Nephilim sounds equally as interesting too I mean Is there anything else out there that you want to tell the people about at your website or anything well? Well my website is just simply my name scottallenroberts.com and Allen is A-L-A-N So scottallenroberts.com, you can see a link at the bottom to all of my books I've got a new book coming out this October The Exodus Reality that we've talked about a bit I also have Intrepid Magazine You just go to intrepidmag.com

CHAPTER 21 / 21 Discussion

Higher Side Chats Outro and Social Media Contact

Greg Carlwood wraps up the interview with Scott Roberts and provides closing remarks for the listeners. He encourages the audience to engage via Facebook rather than Twitter for serious questions and promotes his t-shirt company, Conspiratees, before closing with music.

greg carlwood· facebook· twitter· conspiratees· podcast outro

1:14:56 That'd be great. Well, all right sir you know thanks again for taking the time to chat with me on my stupid stoner show hopefully we can do it again sometime Greg thank you for having me I really appreciate it of course well take care man have a good one You too bye There you have it folks, another one in the bag. Anyone who wants to hear the gritty details should definitely pick up Scott's book I thought it was a blast thanks again to you for listening more and more people are sharing this show which is great we're well into the thousands strong I couldn't be happier try to keep up with all of messages and reply to all them but honestly if you have comments just leave them on my Facebook wall I'd love to respond and let other people chime in I mean...I hate when someone asks me

1:15:38 a serious question on Twitter because it's too fucking limited I can't answer anything so really Facebook me, i'm easy to find. I love all you crazy guys and girls check out the t-shirts at conspirates dot nets I'd love to eat this week and I'll see ya Sunday! You're the goddamn best! I remember when rock was young Me and Suzy had holding hands and skimming stones Other kids were robbed We were hogshocked Just stand still

1:16:47 when SuSy won't be hot But the years went by and Rock John's dousey went off some foreign guy record machine Dreamin' of my Chevy and my old Kills, drills we up to the sound shop Kids do a hard time when SuSy won't be hot What's young? Me and SuSy had some holding hands and skimming stones Kiss me, Kaia, fuck all the kids who rock them then hop into the crack of the chop

1:18:44 and he was with us, so we pursued the whole hardside.