THC 48: Kevin Annett | The Catholic Conspiracy, Vatican Crimes, & The Pope’s Resignation

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. But we're in the 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! Welcome to another episode of THC folks smoking a little smoke drinking a little drink from San Diego I'm Greg Carwood and today we're going to zero in on the Catholic Church's role in the big conspiracy when you look at The values of the Catholic Church. You should see peace love inequality reaching out to feed the poor house the shelterless

00:51 You should see active campaigning to end the wars and reject consumerism. They should promote healthy living, nutrition, meditation and harmony Instead when you look at the real members of the Catholic hierarchy The Pope is living in a golden palace big enough to house thousands of suffering people on the streets He wears Prada shoes with big rings in a jewel encrusted hat while the most notable action of its clergy In recent years as a systematic molestation and abuse of children in this shuffling around those accused of such actions Besides soliciting money and leading a weekly ritual indoctrination, they do very little else or anything to promote the values they preach about. With news of the Pope's resignation I contacted a man who has been leading the charge against such corruption ex-minister of The United Church Of Canada Kevin Arnett He's been a frontrunner in exposing the terrible acts and abuse of the native people of Canada in the making of his film Unrepentant. Kevin welcome to the show

01:41 Thanks, Greg. Thanks for having me Hey it's a real pleasure and with all the things happening right now I'm sure your time is in high demand so thanks for spending the hour with us i really do appreciate that It's a pleasure And if you wouldn't mind tell the people about how You got started on this course what led up to the making of Unrepentant Well, you know it's been 20 years. Twenty years ago last summer I went to the West Coast where i'm still living on Vancouver Island and I just was a newly ordained Protestant clergyman. I just did what I thought a minister was to do which is open this church to everybody. And there's a real color bar still in Canada, Indians and whites don't often mix and so I started bringing Indians into the church and I began hearing these stories of how many of them died in the boarding schools run by both Catholic and Protestant churches out here right until 1996

02:32 I mean, the stories were horrible and I was told at the time to ignore them all. You know the church wasn't being sued at that point so they could afford to ignore everything but eventually...I helped bring out this truth of it let people who have witnessed killings in these schools speak from my pulpit. I tried to force the church take a stand on it and then in return I got fired for driven right out of the church and my livelihood And so my family break up over a lot of bad personal costs, but in so doing I want to lock more credibility among native people that began to share more stuff with me. A lot of children died. According to statistics, half these kids never came back. We're talking tens of thousands of children who died in a system that was also run in the United States. More and more over the years we realized this was happening in many countries that the common denominator was the Roman Catholic Church which set up a lot of these schools

03:28 And we've taken it all the way now to Rome. And as you know, if people go to our website, ITCCS.org they can see how big this thing is becoming now that people all over the world are speaking out finally about how this has cost the lives of millions of people and I think the mask has really slipped. People see the Vatican in these churches for what they are. Absolutely and the ITCCS, how did that form? That's The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State Yes, about three years ago I was in Ireland speaking. I was invited to a number of places in Europe to give talks because what I've been doing for years in Canada with the survivors

04:08 of these crimes. In Ireland, some people suggested that we're dealing with an international corporation here called the Vatican and it's time that the victims got organized across borders. We set up the tribunal first to investigate these crimes then finally to start taking legal action. And we began working with lawyers in various countries including New York the Center for Constitutional Rights there and we began to put together a legal body, Common Law Court which has actually brought in a verdict already against 30, we call them the dirty thirty these top church and government officials, including the Pope and a bunch of cardinals who had a direct role in ordering the cover-up of these crimes that you know murder and rape all over the world. So we're really happy that we're finally getting this out and it's reaching seems to be reaching more of a critical mass of awareness

04:59 Yeah, I mean we find ourselves in strange times being stuck inside the American bubble with a state-run media who is deeply in bed with any traditional organization of power. It's tough to really know what's going on other than the Pope has decided to resign from his post something that hasn't happened in 600 years and apparently has never happened outside of wartime but But we've learned to watch world events very carefully because there's almost always an alternative story. And that seems to be definitely the case here, I mean is the Pope's resignation a indirect relation to the pressure from the ITCCS? Oh absolutely! You know, to give you an example of that... There isn't just our court action, there's the International Criminal Court

05:42 bringing a charge against rats singers german citizens brought by a number of groups in america that we worked with uh... we provided evidence to what legal groups in europe and uh... even governments to act on this and so you know where vera convinced that because about it also all the court cases you know the mahoney case in l a uh... the jailing of the first catholic bishop in u s history of the william lynn case in philadelphia last year All of this stuff hitting the press, it's just so enormous that they can't hide anymore. And you know the numbers people are voting with their feet in Austria alone last year which is one of the most conservative Catholic countries in Europe besides Ireland 30,000 people left the Catholic Church and we're gonna see this snowball more and more. Yeah I mean isn't the Queen of England named in this case as well amirite?

06:34 Yeah, well she has a direct role of course. She's the head of the formerly in this colonial system we live on in Canada she still ahead of state but also she is that head of the Church of England which was one of the main churches and set up these these death camps they call residential schools We even found letters from the Archbishop of Canterbury referred to by people in the Anglican Church in Canada ordering cover-ups of mass graves of kids across Canada. So you know, the Crown of England is directly implicated in a lot of this stuff as well as Vatican. Man it seems like they're under so many different charges from so many different people but... The one that you're involved in I guess there was a what exactly happened? There was a guilty verdict reached and they are supposed to respond by March 4th correct

07:20 Right, well this is a group of citizen jurors volunteers from all over the world and 33 of them after a month of deliberation and looking at all the evidence about genocide in Canada they came up with a verdict found that the party's guilty. And sentenced them to 25 years in prison which is normal under international law when heads of state are involved in war crimes that's a normal sentence usually life imprisonment was more likely but but I'd also ordered that these people lose their property and assets. So in other words, when you think about it every church in the world is especially America and Canada places like all supported with taxpayers money they're publicly public institutions yet they operate as private criminal bodies laws under themselves where they can legally rape children to get away with it so what we say is these are supported by the public should have a right to go in there and seize that property wealth if its not being used in the way it should be

08:16 you know, under the income tax laws they should lose their charitable tax exemptions because they are committing crimes. And there's no way that taxpayers shouldn't subsidize that so we're saying this is bigger than just the arrest of a few people. We want to disestablish the power of these churches to do these crimes in the first place. Yeah I mean i am completely on board with that and sure this audience would agree that the Catholic Churches really just uh... front organization for power hungry criminals when will the pope and the queen of england actually You know be arrested or start to have to confront this stuff Or is this gonna get swept under the rug like so many other things we see well? You know they've got a lot of worldly power on their side But even that's collapsing you notice the Queen was supposed to be in Rome today And she canceled her visit under this bogus story about having a stomach ailment

09:05 She's afraid to leave the country because like Bush or Cheney, they know that they can face a citizen arrest under international law for committing crimes against humanity. So and you know the Pope is hiding out, The Vatican has said they're going to protect him even though there are arrest warrants out for him now through the International Criminal Court in our court So yeah, whether or not we're able to immediately detain these people isn't so... People are going to try. There's other people involved too the Prime Minister of Canada heads of the churches in Canada you know representatives like that and even there was a head of Weyerhaeuser company I don't know if you know Weyerhaeuser is one of the biggest logging companies in the world it's based in Seattle

09:44 And we've got solid evidence that they were involved in actually grabbing native land illegally in Vancouver Island and committing, helping to commit genocide there. You know the head of Daniel Fulton, the head of Wirehouse is being named as well so people eco activists in Seattle are going to try to perform a citizen's arrest on him as well So this stuff it's a one-year warrant and was issued if people go to ITCCS.org Just yesterday, the citizen arrest warrant was posted there. You can read it It gives anyone the authorization to go over the next year and arrest these people detain them as citizens knowing that these people represent a threat to the children and others in our communities When the police and courts don't act, citizens have the right to do that And this is what we're asserting

10:32 Yeah, let's actually talk about Unrepentant a little bit. It is a great eye-opener! I had no idea this was going on... it seems like people in the movie are telling their experiences under the care of these Catholic institutions kids are getting electrically charged needles stuck in their brains stuck in their penises you know really shocking stuff and no pun intended it's really horrible and as a matter of fact we prove over the years of documenting this we've got uh... c the uh... movie on our patent first of all can be found at website hidden no longer dot com uh... and i think no longer dot com you see not only the film on repented but all of the documentation i've acquired over twenty years it's got two hundred seventy three eyewitnesses were in residential schools it's got documents from government showing death rate of over fifty percent because they take healthy kids

11:23 put them in the same dorms as kids dying of tuberculosis and smallpox, and then never treating anybody. It was just germ warfare to kill off lots of kids especially in the West when they wanted open the area for white settlement. And so it was a killing ground in these schools. We documented that every definition of genocide under the UN Convention on Genocide happened in Indian boarding schools, both in Canada and America. We're talking sterilization programs killing off children creating long-term conditions where they die off breaking up families all of that's genocide under international law Canada is guilty of it proven and yet not one person has ever gone to jail here for the death of one of these 50,000 children who never came back you know and the numbers are even higher in America so we're dealing with definite crimes against humanity

12:11 right You know, the arrest of the Pope and the Queen of England along with the seizure Vatican assets. I'm sure that seems a little too large an operation to believe for some people are you planning to face resistance from the establishment? Do you think the pope's going to get asylum on the Vatican grounds? Well he's got asylum but don't forget these people rule through appearance in fear it's really a bubble and this is a puncture it you'll see that they're just people uh... under international anyone including the head of state can go to trial for being involved in reading covering up crimes against humanity which both the pope and queen done the pope signed letters to american bishops order in them to protect child rapists in clergy he did the same throughout the business in ireland just three years ago

13:03 And so don't forget that we're also, I don't think I mentioned this but we're contacting the police in these countries. In Canada America England and Italy and we've announced them that you know open and above board we've announced our intention, we've asked for their help in detaining these people. And if the police don't help us they're betraying their oath of office and we can legally ignore them so you know that were asking that police to be on the right side justice here and I'll tell you we put this to the test when we occupy churches in Vancouver the police used to show up and threaten us. We just said, look you're protecting child rapists here and we hand them information they at that point they usually go away or they just avoid confronting us because they know were in the right so thats a very powerful thing for people to realize that kind of citizen power when you stand on what's right and lawful. And then thats great because traditionally

13:56 Right. It's a damn shame, but it's good that you're actually able to break through to them a little bit. But how did the United States get off the hook here? I mean, you got the Queen, Prime Minister of Canada, the Pope—I mean obviously the United States has gotta be involved to some extent. heavily involved and you know this is just the first case in the docket you know this case had to do with genocide canada of future cases involves specifically the vatican and the way these acts of genocide occurred america too so uh... i just want to urge listeners to realize that we're going to be more active in the states as a matter fact in april and then again in july undoing speaking tours on the east coast of them right across from the west coast of supposed to be in california in july

14:54 And I would love to give public talks and meet with people that help organize groups to work on this. Absolutely, do you have anything planned for the LA area or San Diego? We do yeah it'll be uh don't have a date in July yet but i'd be invited to both places and we can talk more about that and plan some stuff. Absolutely keep me posted because I will let the audience know! People seem to be hungry for some kind of justice with all kinds of power structures and it's great to see something happening I've been hearing you talk about this for a while, and there are other people in the conspiracy community that talk about justice coming. We wait and we wait." When the Pope resigned, that really put a light on in my head—that seemed to be a huge milestone!

15:40 But what do you know about this pedophilia ring? I mean, because it seems to be a real organized crime syndicate that the Pope is right at the top of. I hear about similar rings in Hollywood and politics. We had the Jerry Sandusky situation last year. Are these all parts of the same network?" Really, it isn't necessarily one network but the way it tends to operate and we've had more evidence of this is right within—the reason it gets so hidden is because it tends to operate right within the government system of childcare. Former insiders have come forward describing how social services and others identify vulnerable mothers they take their kids the traffic them there's a system in canada and i don't know but american hospitals but in canadian hospitals if the catholic priest convinces a young woman who is pregnant to up her child is that they called the bfa protocol baby for adoption she signs away her child which he still pregnant that babies and trafficked you know through uh... adoption agencies or this was a lot of money made in the process of you know this trafficking is going on right within our systems

16:45 of government and you know for every honest person in the system there's another involved in this. We find dealing like when you look at corruption and the police forces people, you know, in that kind of fraternity are conditioned to think well we can't rat each other out, we can't be the one, you know they're kinda the Serpico mentality, you gotta distrust the honest cop because everybody else might get in trouble right? It's that kind of system very much within the church. Clergy tend to close ranks even when they know they're raping kids, they still back each other And so, you know that's part of the big problem here. That it is not a few sickos there was...you know it's whole system that very lucrative There was really interesting article in paper called Rock Creek Free Press Washington DC about three years ago The CIA admitted that as far back as 1970 and probably means earlier too They were actively and are still actively involved in child trafficking in Thailand

17:44 as a means to blackmail visiting US congressmen and senators. So I mean, you know for the CIA to say yeah we do child trafficking were involved in this kind of shit. That's amazing for them to feel they can make that admission how widespread it is. Well what did see on the news not long ago sometime in 2012...I saw this Anderson Cooper report was pretty jarring but they said that they found child porn on the computers of over half the staff of the Pentagon. And you hear this story and then it just gets thrown away, why even report it? Because nothing's going to happen!

18:23 Well, you know that's the thing. I mean the more power a system has the more it attracts those elements then no they can get away with literal murder and child rape. And then perfect example of that within the Catholic Church which your listeners might not know about is a law which has been in canon law since 1962 its called Crimens Solicitanus and its an order to every priest and bishop in the world when children are raped in catholic parishes anywhere the there to be silenced, the victim's silence and the police not told. Now that's an order to break the laws of your own country coming right from Rome it's a law on the books of the Catholic Church you can even read it its posted on our appendix in hidden no longer dot com Read paragraph 11 It describes something called the pontifical secret That when a child is raped it's kept secret now thats a criminal conspiracy why isn't every

19:19 one involved in that facing arrest and trial, but they get away with it because they're the Vatican. They have a lot of money and political influence. Yeah, it's a really messed up situation when people are just... And people are used to the idea that priests rape kids. Everybody hears about it. Everybody knows about it. It's just so overlooked. The most damning thing you can do—I don't understand how it can be overlooked—but it seems to be such a huge part of the Catholic Church like almost like this whole organization is set up as a front for their real goal of just molesting kids. It's really backwards, but even that law you just said it's odd that would be on the books unless this was something that was systematically supposed to happen? Well the reality is that child rape is not a crime under the law and maybe a crime in theory but not in practice. Like the Canadian government if you can believe this now Stephen Harper this is one of the reasons he's named in our common lawsuit

20:14 He just, under his government just last year the criminal code of Canada was altered so that now there's the mandatory sentencing for child rape is only one year. Which is it was five years earlier and they brought it down to one year now why the hell would they make it easy you know less of a crime to rape a child than to own a marijuana plant which gets you two to five? You know I mean what does that tell you about the values in these people Right, it's like they're skewing the punishments for the crimes that the elites are gonna be committing versus the regular Joe Schmoes. We've come to realize that it's very people in power who are the enemy and when you go up there is a long tradition unfortunately we don't have as much of that tradition in Canada as you have an America but long tradition and its written right into your constitution that when government becomes destructive to the aims or freedom of the people that government can be overthrown

21:12 And in fact, you know it isn't just a suggestion. It says it's violating your constitutional rights. Gotta be overthrowing people now how you do that is another question but it doesn't have legitimacy at that point and that's what people are waking up to I think with the church as well And not to get too weird with this, but outside of the sexual abuse of children I hear a lot of stories about occult rituals and blood sacrifice. Are these just gross exercises of power or is there some type of energy aspect to these events? Is there something going on that we don't understand? Very much. I think that's part of the deeper beast were facing and now whether or not you know

21:54 I've seen some very odd things in life, as we all have. But how you interpret it that the reality is the people doing those satanic rituals genuinely believe themselves that they derive energy from the blood of a newborn whether in fact that happens? I believe there is this spiritual element there and there's an energy... It's kind of like form of energy vampirism. And I believe that they live off the innocent in that way definitely. And what better illusion to hide behind than religion in order to achieve that. So yeah, I think definitely that's at work It seems to be like just an interpretation of the old sacrificing the virgin lore Yeah That's true and when you think about Christianity all of its violent symbolism it's talk about blood sacrifice the blood of Christ sacrificed for us You know reading up the New Testament scholars how very well they figure recently there's a group called The Chicago

22:50 in Chicago, it's called the Jesus Seminar. And these are probably a hundred of the best biblical scholars in the world they wrote a book 10 years ago that showed that about 87% of the words of Jesus were ascribed to him later They didn't even come from somebody who might have been named that and all that story of the crucifixion, the birth narrative All this stuff is made up I mean it didn't come from that time and place You know, we know about the recycled myth of Osiris and Isis. Okay that's well proven but the thing to understand about the reason the church injected all that violent imagery in them and described it to Jesus

23:31 was that it was a way of control. That if you traumatize people at a young age, and this is what's really at the heart of child rape and trafficking in all these crimes we're documenting If you traumatize children at a young age they're not going to resist authority They don't believe in themselves they believe they are shameful and weak people Like everyone who contacts me The first question they have is can we do this? Do I have the power to do this well...I dunno I ask them do you In yourself, do you feel you have the authority and power to do this? Because we've had that battered out of us. Child abuse is a way to keep hierarchical society going and I think that's part of the political reason it keeps going

24:09 I grew up in a Catholic school and it always seemed very weird to me, the whole ritual. Right down to the mass itself! People now are talking about Catholicism being veiled symbolic Satanism. Like at the Mass you're literally paying homage to a human sacrifice being Jesus on the cross and then we ceremoniously drink his blood and eat his flesh Is that not what the elites are doing with real children? Well put. I think that's exactly the way to condition us to accept those things, and at a minimum be so battered emotionally that we lose sensitivity and empathy for that child. You know? I remember when I was in my 20s and very involved for the first time in political activism... When the whole issue of child abuse came up, I had no emotional...I thought oh yeah okay! So like it didn't strike me in my heart the way did after

25:01 I had my own children, you know and you hold your newborn babies and you realize there's something that was happened to us at a young age that we don't feel this innately. Now there is good book i'd recommend people read called For Your Own Good by Alice Miller she's a German psychologist And she looks into the roots of European child violence and injustice in society. The question she poses is why are people so acclimatized and do nothing about injustice? Her answer is because we have lost empathy for our own battery that occurred at a young age, and if we don't have empathy for ourselves and what we suffer, we can't for anybody else

25:37 And she says every person needs to examine that in their life. How are we being traumatized? How have you lost that innate wisdom and empathy as a child, to live in this kind of brutal society? So I just kinda plug that because I think we have to do the personal work in order to be able to equip ourselves to carry on this fight over the long run. What do you think contributes to that trauma? Because I've heard that process at the hospital birth itself has some things in it that do that as well as the circumcision. People talk about it being used for cleanliness and then there's people who just like it for cosmetic reasons, but apparently the real reason is to traumatize a child without any kind of pain relief

26:18 and that this has a real effect on the energy and the soul of the child. Have you looked into that at all? Oh, well I've done some reading on that people have written some really good stuff on that absolutely it's part of the same system now A system is perpetuated not necessarily by conscious act or every step its its tradition people are conditioned to think oh well we just do it Like, why do you do it? I don't know. My dad did it. Had been my dad so its...I guess that should happen to me." That kind of attitude right? Right and I've heard a lot of your interviews preparing for this and have read a lot of your recent pieces And I find you be to be a pretty trustworthy guy and I heard you mention seeing exorcisms in possessions firsthand which I've always thought of them as hoaxes but are demon possessions a real phenomenon

27:07 Yeah, I mean in a minority of cases. The one I witnessed in Port Alberni was genuine because of what it was evoking literally the hair standing up on the back of your head and the sense of presence that wasn't human. The transformation in the person that happened when that spirit departed... You know I had other more personal things that I can share but definitely seeing this in practice there is something at work You know, physicists say that 90% of the universe can't be observed. That so-called dark matter and dark energy... Well that means since we're an integral part of the universe then 90 percent of us can't be seen or understood because that's a fabric in the universe So this is something that we can get a sense on other levels of our consciousness but it's hard to rationally describe but it has an impact on us nevertheless

28:03 Right. Do you have any idea what causes a demonic possession? What's the mechanism there, does anybody know? Well you know the movie industry individualizes this like there is a kid and suddenly they're individually possessed and then individually... These systems are spirits work through systems I believe the nature of possession is that it's collective, it's institutionalized. It's a whole system at work that... There's an example of that in the Bible there's um.. In the epistles, I don't know if people read the bible much but at the latter part there's Pauls letter to various churches and in Greek he says

28:43 He addresses the churches, but he doesn't write them by name. He addresses the angel of the church of Ephesus, the angel of the Church of Colossae etc., and he's referring to kind of the over-soul that the group spirit that conditions all of the thoughts and behavior everybody in within it and that's where I think the level possession occurs not simply at the individual level but that collectively. So for example, you can talk to people who live under a system about the proven crimes of their church or government and they look at you with blank faces Their mind is not allowing them to go there because they're under possession not as individuals but as part of a collective and that's where the exorcism if you like needs to be addressed at the collective spirit. Now what is proof for that is I went to Rome in October 2009 and did a little service outside the Vatican which was very interesting because there are normally police and security all over there,

29:38 the service and nobody, it was kind of like I was invisible. And these police walked right by like I wasn't there and I thought oh this is cool okay so... The service turned out to be an exorcism rite and i've done a twice there and right after the first exorcism in the next day a tornado hits the center of Rome okay? And the next thing is that within about a month the revelations start hitting the European media about Ratzinger After the second one, which was I mean the first one is a naming ceremony where you tell the spirit to reveal itself and sure enough it's revealed right? Second one is the banishment where you actually tell it to get gone. Now what's happened in Rome? The Pope has gone! The day he resigned lightning bolt hits that the cathedral, the Vatican dome. There are forces here because we're addressing the collective entity here were not just talking about...The issue wasn't Ratzinger at all as a person

30:35 I mean, I'm sure if you got him away from all this he'd be an okay guy. But within the system he's part of this thing and it takes control of him just like it does all of us who operate in these systems so...I would say that that's kind of a clue to how we deal with this what we're dealing with and the weapon we have to face it and go And why do you think it is that some people can reject this program? You know, I've been circumcised. I went through this trauma and a hospital birth. I went to private school for my whole life and it all like...it just didn't resonate with me and there's a lot of friends I have where there just seems to be a blockage there. Do you have any idea why some people can reject it so easily and some are stuck?"

31:32 Yeah, well I mean we're different. Every soul on the planet is different some of us are more open to look at truth than others some of us are able to deal with fear and move through it but i also think that we all have a purpose for being here and those who have the purpose of engaging in this battle are armed to do it internally We can deal with things, go through things You see that in healing circles where people who've been through the same trauma Some people, you know the trauma is quote milder although I don't want to quantify pain but they collapse under it and others who go through incredible hell are able to walk with us into these churches occupied and don't show fear in the face of their very system that tortured them as a young child. So I can't explain why that is but I do know we're different in that way. Yeah as far healing circles can you tell us a little bit more about that? Have you seen that work in practice

32:27 Well, it's a hard thing to go through because this word healing is really cheap political term that they use. I find working with Native people here the white society here like to use the word healing as way to avoid... To say let's deny this stuff and suppress it and get on with not deal with anything Here you're healed! Here's $10,000 dollars your healed That's what white Canada, how they deal with this genocide that they've done. But actual recovery I don't think is ever really possible. You can learn to stabilize you can learn to get to a level of functionality but you do not ever lose these scars. They build...they're kind of internalized and they form part of who you are but you don't recover

33:17 get over this stuff, but what you can do is you can transform. And that's very different than healing transforming as you find a higher mind, a higher identity and that's personally how I've gotten through this finding that higher identity and purpose Well, it seems clear that when you look at Catholicism and everything they're involved in the Catholic hierarchy—the people who actually work for the organization—there's no way they can believe their own religion because they're stealing money raping kids. So clearly they don't think there's going to be eternal hellfire waiting for them but what's your take on the entire Christian faith now that you've seen such corruption within it? Has it affected your own faith?

33:59 Oh yeah, well I mean i never really believed in big c christianity even as a minister. I think organized religion is very different than spirituality. Spirituality comes from within us. Jesus saying the kingdom of heaven is within you... He wasn't talking about a church or a pope! He's talking that spiritual equality with that we're all born with innately but the thing about Christianity it depends what you're talking about It's like when you say democracy, well it's a word people kick around but have you ever really seen it? Not according to the Greek notion of democracy was that citizens had the right to remove rulers and do take them to court whenever they wanted and to speak in the assembly. That's not the democracy we live under! You know just like Christianity it wasn't meant to be religion, it was meant to be a way of life, of equality and justice and caring and love

34:53 And people like to say they're doing that, but they can't within these institutions. And I learned that the hard way—that when you try to practice Christianity in Christian churches your time is limited. Put it that way! Now aside from all of the child abuse there also seems to be some serious crimes going on with money at the Vatican Bank Can you shed some light on that? Because obviously we are not getting it from media, traditional media No, well you know the Vatican Bank first of all is the most secret organization on the planet. You can't audit it, you can't know who their directors are they destroy their records every five years and primarily it's a money laundering system for the mob I mean that's been known for decades The last pope who tried to do something about that got poisoned in office in 1978 John Paul I but the Vatican bank was set up by the dictator Mussolini

35:48 Because in 1929 he reestablished, the Vatican didn't exist in 1870. from 1870 to 1929, the Garibaldi they disestablished the Church of Rome and the Pope was a prisoner. The Catholic church had no power well Mussolini fixed that in 1929 he re-established the Vatican made Catholicism the national religion of Italy and created the Vatican Bank and something called the Lateran Treaty where basically it said that government in the Church of Rome are one in the same body. The Vatican bank operates as the most secret corrupt

36:25 financial institution on the planet. And that's why even the Bank of America, the American Security and Exchange Commission warned people that the Vatican bank is not trustworthy it's not a transparent institution And that's one of the reasons that its credit is drying up and it's an extreme crisis. And that's probably one of the reasons Ratzinger took a fall on this and stepped down. I've heard that it's in crisis, and I've heard that their credit has been revoked but don't you feel like they probably have enough wealth in there to sustain them for probably a few generations? They do! They get $50 billion alone out of the collection plate every year

37:04 But don't forget, who are they in debt to? Who do they owe? Without the right information we can't know. That's the reality. None of these records are known except by inside cardinals and you've heard rumors about there being a lot of Arab oil money, Chinese just like in America with the Chinese buying up the US debt all that stuff. We can't really know, but we can know indirectly by their actions or what they don't do. And there is a good website concordatwatch.eu Concordats are treaties between the Vatican and other governments Well they're not a government but I'd like to pretend they are A financial concordat is when the taxpayers money from countries is actually channeled right into the Vatican Bank

37:54 And apparently there's over 100 countries with these financial concordats, including America. So I don't know if you listeners know but whether you like it or not your taxpayers money is going to the money paid to the US government is partly being channeled into the Vatican Bank. Oh man yeah there's a lot of crimes being carried out on taxpayer dollars these days But I might be curious, people might ask your local congressman do you know anything about a financial concordat and just watch them say no because they don't know probably. Right what was the story we saw last year with the Pope's butler? A cover story What happened there did apparently he tried to get some documents out Well no that his name is Paolo Gabriel He was a butler right The close attendant of the pope And according to Italian press

38:46 went into the Pope's personal stuff and got his diary and sent excerpts of it to an Italian reporter. The reporter just happened to be buddies with Cardinal Bertone, the Secretary of State's office who actually is the one who released these documents because that stuff that incriminated the Pope had to do with Vatican bank records that only the Secretary of State could have accessed. The butler couldn't have. These according to people I've talked in Italy Records refer to the fact that the Pope was channeling Vatican money and contracts to family and friends in Germany, and other insiders in Rome. And Bertone used that as a lever to get Ratzinger out, to take the fall for some of this stuff. Bertone was the kingmaker I mean he was power behind Ratzinger and he's the guy who is now appointing the new pope probably

39:37 So, I mean it's you know that really that whole thing about the butler is there Lee Harvey Oswald story right? Yeah. That makes a lot of sense now It's also there's a lot of rumors and talk about The church's involvement with World War two in the Nazis and helping the Nazi shield some of their wealth away And helping them, you know before they were taken out Can you shed some light on that at all Well that's well documented. Best book to read on that is The Fourth Reich by Jim Mars, M-A-R-S You can get it at any bookstore, The Fourth Reich by Jim Mars He documents the Vatican rat lines they were called and Ratzinger was a Dominican by the way Dominicans were set up to do the Inquisition back

40:24 800 years ago, but the Dominicans brought out hundreds of Nazis through the Vatican. Through Italy and then Portugal and then over to South America they also were brought up through England, through the Catholic Church there to Canada and then down to the States through this thing called Project Paperclip. You might have heard about The Rocket Scientist you know the SS Major Wernher von Braun The guy who set up the NASA space medicine program, an Auschwitz doctor SS doctor called Strughold. I mean it goes on and on but hundreds and hundreds of Nazis were brought in through the Vatican radlines. Klaus Barbie people who worked for the CIA because of the whole Eastern European spy network

41:05 Reinhard Galen had. Reinhard Galen set up the CIA and established a whole Cold War policy in the State Department, so you know America really was Nazified after World War II and America is really now doing what Hitler pioneered which is the corporate military industrial state, the permanent arms economy and state and that's what America has become So that's why you know the Nazis didn't actually lose the war they just morphed Yeah, I've been hearing that more and more. You mentioned the CIA—and a lot of people are familiar with the MKUltra Mind Control Program—there's a lot of speculation they've been getting victims through the Catholic Church or getting guinea pigs through the Catholic Church. Have you found any documentation of coercion between the CIA and the Catholics?

41:50 Oh again, there's a lot of that documented through MKUltra. The Catholic Church was one of the main groups in Canada and the U.S., providing kids for experimental purposes. Often kids from military families were used when we were... I was interviewing Native people here on the West Coast at the Cooper Island Catholic Residential School they talked about Nazi doctors showing up German-speaking doctors both before and after World War II One woman even in Alberta, even saw the SS tattoo on the arm of one of these doctors. who she thought was Joseph Mengele. But they were doing exactly the same experiments that Nazis pioneered at Auschwitz, the decompression chamber experiments, the eye color alteration... All of that stuff was going on in Indian hospitals and schools. You know probably one of the reasons the Canadian government sealed the records for the Indian hospitals in 1999 but you know this stuff is really well documented

42:46 Yeah, I mean there seems to be they seem to be involved with every corrupt organization. There's even some shady dealings going on with the pharmaceutical industry is that correct? Oh yeah well the Vatican has a lot invested in big pharma They have had historical deals with pharmaceutical companies going back to at least World War II for using Catholic schools Indian residential schools, orphanages as drug testing grounds. The big pharma like Eli Lilly the pharmaceutical giant funds American churches through what's called the Fund for Theological Education that funds the seminaries where priests and ministers are trained you know there's been long ties between Big Pharma and these churches

43:31 You know, people look at this and they're involved in CIA mind control programs the pharmaceutical industry and drug testing. They're involved in all this stuff it seems so huge there'd have to be so many people involved And... To not have any whistleblowers on that or to have them all swept under the rug seems you know It just seems like they've been incredibly lucky Is this court case the real thing that's gonna blow the lid off of all this? It's another spark. I try to tell people that we've got limited resources here because we're not backed by anybody big, we just have people and we're a spark the best we can do is spark conditions that hopefully will exist so that the fire spreads That means people taking this and running it with them themselves

44:19 The reason that there aren't a lot of whistleblowers around on this, well the truth is they were and there are all the time but how do you hear about them? You hear about it fortunately through the internet. This is how we've got... I've got my story out over 20 years, The Alternative Media and the Internet. You can forget that corporate media altogether. So-called mainstream. We're the mainstream! American Public Radio has twenty million listeners now although NPR has corporate funding in that. You gotta be careful about that The fact is that there are these people all over who know the truth and a lot of my work is trying to link up those people. But there are honest people trying to do the right thing, unfortunately in these institutions but they get

45:03 whistleblowers get tend to get treated in the same way there's a manual somewhere of how corporations deal with them and That's one of the things I'll be writing about. I've done a little bit of work on this But it's really important to reach out and help those people who are still trying to do the right thing in there obviously, The Catholic Church has long history of accusations and cover-ups And there's a lot of speculations or what? Information they may really hold in the Vatican archives in the Vatican vaults Do you have any information about the information they may be holding? Well, just hearsay. I've seen some references in documents here and there but you know for example there was a woman here in Vancouver Island who said she had an uncle who was a senior cardinal from Quebec and she met him in Rome and he took her to in their this would have been the late 1960's and she saw what was in the Vatican archives She said it was state-of-the art military protected facility

45:58 where she was seeing things like skulls, you know bone collections and an area the size of a football field she said. Wow! Arcane-like documents and books showing records of anyone ever tortured by an Inquisition She also said he mentioned an archaeological expedition that the Vatican sponsored in Cyprus in the late 50's that had found solid proof of Jesus as a man, as a rabbi which contradict all church teachings, and so they buried all that. So I mean all of that is very conceivable and it's a matter of getting in there...

46:37 That's, I think eventually with enough support in that including insider support that might be possible but who knows at this point. They're obviously heavily guarded. Right there are all kinds of weird stories about secret technologies you know the fact that the great pyramids used to be were there for some type of power plant or some type of energy creation and that Vatican knows this information they have a lot of stuff in their vault it would be amazing to blow that open if If there's a seizure of assets, I assume that would happen. But what is the next step in this case? What is the next event to take place—the crowning of a new pope? Well yeah their conclave was supposed to begin on March 15th and that's when all the cardinals get together and vote on the new pope. Who it is, I think, is not really that important. He's a figurehead anyway.

47:32 the power is definitely it's got a problem these guys. The very fact, for example this Keith O'Brien who was a cardinal in England top Catholic church guy in England stepped down and said he wasn't going to go to Rome to vote at the conclave well every Cardinals is supposed to under canon law and yet they feel free now say well no I'm not gonna that kind of independence means people are feeling they need to leave the sinking ship but wouldn't surprise me if bishops in various countries decide to break off from Rome, or at least have more autonomy. So I think we're seeing a repeat of stuff that happened in the Reformation 500 years ago but this time we've got to make it more complete you gotta say...you know..we gotta get corporation all together

48:16 Yeah, I mean there's a lot of pressure on them it seems that when you look at these little clues like the Pope stepping down and The Queen canceling her trip. It seems like there is real pressure but we're just kept in the dark because the media Obviously is in bed with them and refuses to report on it We've got a lot of good sources and that's people within the church I mean You know Like we do know honest people And I you said word qualified because I don't think if someone's really honest and they know this information that actually stay in these churches. But anyway, there are people within the churches who have been providing information to myself and other people like in Italy and Europe now Don't forget this is the oldest and one of the smartest corporations on a planet their masters of deception And you know they have a whole

49:07 way they operate, which is smoke and mirrors. So you've got to sort through a lot of this evidence and take it with a grain of salt where it's coming from like there's this thing called the prophecy Malachi I don't know if you heard about but people are claiming oh this is the last pope that was prophesied he's number 110 or something well the trouble with that figure it leaves out a number of things in papal history. At one point there were two or three rival popes in the 14th century, they excommunicated each other and there's more than 111. There was Pope John X who...a woman from England who became pope for a couple of weeks and then they found out she was a woman and killed her! And so I mean her name was eradicated from church history. So that number is off. You've got to be careful about

50:00 Papal documents they're often forgeries like another example is the Pope claims that he's the ruler of the world and has four centuries according to a document called The Donation of Constantine where whereby the Emperor was supposed to have granted all the Wealth and property the Roman Empire to the Vatican well, the Constantine lived in the fourth century this document was proven to being written in the tenth and So, I mean you know it's at every level is forgery. Even their Bible and everything most of it is made up so you got to really be careful when you're looking at church sources What are your thoughts on prophecy and like universal cycles because people say

50:40 you know, after 2012 we're entering a new age and lies are supposed to be more transparent. And then you see this happening right after this time—right when people have prophesied that it would happen. I mean is there some kind of universal energy that's affecting all this or do you think it's just coincidence? Well in this stuff I don't think there's coincidences I think that there's definitely something in work. I'm trying to kind of get a better handle on that, but what you can definitely say is that it's a time of real shifting and you see it in behavior everywhere. The people who are caught up in the whole fear paradigm which is how masses of people are controlled they're going to stay there but those who

51:27 Everything is energy. I mean physicists tell us that everything is what energy you're vibrating on right? People who are standing more in the light of truth and love and reason They're not touched by that, and they're the ones I mean I just got an email from a guy In Munich Germany which was great because it's Ratzinger's hometown he walked into a church 500 people were there And he starts yelling at the top his lungs about how the Pope is a criminal and they chase him out of their enabling But that's the kind of courage That person, like I often hear from Native people is not so much what might happen to us if we do it but what's going to happen if we don't do it? What children suffer tomorrow because of this if we don't act and that's really the different vibration to be living in. Not fear but resolve and love and courage and that's what we have to rely on to get us through

52:18 Well, what do you think are some concrete things people can do? Because when the Occupy movement happened we were out in the streets. We were trying and then the crackdown happened and everybody had to go back to work I mean people are broke they're stuck working 40 hours a week They gotta get to work! They don't really have time To make a serious stand they've got us by the balls kind of You know... What can people do? Well that's the problem is my wife Carol often talks to me about this They have people trapped as wage slaves, not just physically but mental wage slaves. And you're caught in a system of debt slavery by the time you're what? 21 now in America and Canada? As long as people operate within that system, you're right. You're constrained.

53:01 But the point is we don't have to operate in that system. And I had it easier because I got tossed out of a lot of security and, and I had to make do somehow anyway. I had to learn this but when people have the option of staying within the comforts of the system it's really hard to get them to see that we need to make a real total. So we need to build up ways of helping each other do that. We're living under conditions of war where our planet and all of us are facing literal extermination, we have to realize that we have to join that battle. And that has to be our highest priority and if you only to protect our children and the ones who are going to come. So it's shifting our priorities, it's finding ways to survive isn't so much a matter of physically confronting the system because if you take all that energy and detach from the system you're actually having more of an impact cut up your credit card close your bank account stop going into these stores stop voting stop paying taxes

53:56 the system will be affected a lot more by that than a simple protest. And don't forget, the act of protesting itself is based on the idea that there's a system that's going to respond and we're making it demand and leaving the initiative in the hands of the rulers now that's inherently disabling and I know from having done this for decades you know when you go on protest there's inevitable letdown after because people are thinking well what do we achieve okay but then you're building an alternative you know, communities for survival and you're doing something to create something new that's very different. And it builds...it's an ongoing thing this is why we say with the arrest warrants it isn't something that's going to happen just tomorrow. We're gonna arrest their system and arrest of course is a French word for stop. You know stopping something so that something new can come about. So I don't know I think that

54:48 important for people to realize, you know in all this work. Right there are a lot of talks right now of new systems of moneyless systems one my previous guests was Jacques Fresco who does the Venus Project I don't know if you're familiar with that but um There seems to be a lot of talk the monetary system as a whole, there isn't really a way to fine-tune that. It is just a mechanism for wage slaves and then you've got the church on the other hand that is doing a lot of the mental prisons that people are stuck in. What are some steps? You know, you've got somebody who's in their mid 20s they're going to work they're not happy they're not making a lot of money they're a couple thousand in debt

55:28 they feel kind of isolated by this, what are some concrete ways they can start to detach? Like it just seems like you're trapped. Well knowledge is power first of all learn these things about alternatives and what you're really living under but also if you find two or three other people in your neighborhood You've got a start local because that's what people can fight for I agree with the slogan think globally because nobody can think globally You can have a sense of things, but what you know is your own circumstance. Your own neighborhood. Your own life. Your own family and community so...you get together with people there and discuss okay how do we do something like open in community garden? Where we don't have to go I mean the fruit is rotting on the ground around us. We can go pick that fruit and feed each other and wait there one detachment has happened.

56:18 Stop paying taxes, okay? Under international law you're obligated not to pay taxes to a government that's committed war crimes which is the US government is doing that right now as we speak. You're supported in international law by doing that. Say to your people who vote for it well I can't vote for anymore because who do you really represent? All of these things are... The important thing is just start doing them and keep doing them because its like keeping doing something that you learn and grow stronger together True, I agree. And on the issue of not paying taxes... Aaron Russo put out a movie a few years ago, Freedom to Fascism and it was all about how there are the payroll tax you're not supposed to have to pay is not anywhere legally on the books No politician can really point to an area of the code that says you have to pay this Obviously the tax code is way too convoluted for anyone even read but you know you're gonna get thrown in jail

57:17 put away. It doesn't seem to really matter what's on paper when there is such a strong perception that you got to pay this shit or you're going to jail." My American heroes is Henry Thoreau, who wrote Walden and in the 1840s he wouldn't pay taxes—1850s actually because it was gonna fund the Mexican-American War and he went to jail and Emerson, the American writer came in and said Ralph what are you doing in jail? And he said I'm sorry, he said Henry what are you doing in jail? He said Ralph what are you doing not in jail. It's kind of like civil disobedience is one thing, but we're not any laws by this. It's the American government that's breaking international law By funding illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan by allowing Child raping criminal bodies like the Vatican to operate openly with taxpayer supported money in America Those are all crimes under national law you're obligated everyone listening is obligated not to fund crime and

58:16 And that's what we mean about taking back the law. The law is being used against us, that's why citizens have to take it back common law courts you guys can set up a common law court in your community with 12 sworn jurors We're gonna put out a manual on how to do that and judge for yourselves in your community what's right There's a difference between something being legal, which is a statute brought in by government and something that's lawful. A law is one that squares with natural law which we all know about inherently. That's what the founding fathers said we have an inherent right because we know innately what's righting wrong. A legal statute doesn't square with the natural law of justice. It can be ignored and should be ignored, and when you...the police come to arrest you say where's your let me see your oath of office? You're sworn to protect the constitution there's a group called The Oath Keepers in the American military and police and sheriffs that are..you should check out if you don't know about that already um they're saying we're there's 10 pledges they're asking every soldier and policeman and sheriff to take

59:15 And that is, we will not do any measure to violate the Constitution or the rights of American citizens. You know? That's what we need—that the forces are to serve the people and not be a hammer over them." Well said! It's again about time… Tell us about this Easter reclamation events that are coming up on March 24th Well, we're as part of the common law since an arrest warrants were urging people to peacefully occupy take back these church properties especially the Catholic Church.

59:51 And during Easter week, that's the 24th to the 31st. Easter Sunday is March 31st we're going to be doing occupations teach-ins sit ins and more exorcisms spiritual to bring down this corrupt institution, the oldest one in history so if people want to see itccs.org or you can write to me hiddenfromhistory1 I'm again coming down the West Coast in the summer, and I'd love to come. And I will be coming to San Diego, LA, the Bay Area all over California so let's plan some events. Absolutely! You briefly mentioned an exorcism because people are in some type of trance state that is pretty common

1:00:37 But are people having effects from going under some type of exorcism on a wide scale? I think it's definitely happening. One way you could look at all of this is that it is a massive exorcism that's having an impact. Look at the behavior of these people, they're supposed to be the most powerful people on the planet and they're hiding out in their palaces like frightened criminals, which is who they are. So that's not the behavior of somebody in charge it means that from within there's something happening where they're losing their power and that can only happen spiritually That's why I know that we have a high ground and that's why we're gonna keep it Well said! And as this pressure gets more on the doorstep of the Queen of England, of the Prime Minister of Canada, of the Pope Are arrests going to be made? Are we gonna see that soon

1:01:24 Yes, I know that the number of gatherings is going to be attempted and Even if you don't physically detain these people, rulers keep their power through legitimacy. And once the prime minister and others are running around hiding from citizen arrest warrants they look like fools and they might as well be under arrest if they're hiding out in their system so I think there's a lot of ways to look at this that doesn't require win or lose according whether your physically grab the guy That's not what this is about Right You gotta shatter the perception Yeah exactly Well Kevin, I know you got another interview coming up. I don't want to keep you too long It's been a great chat! I'm glad you could give us some real info about what is happening here Is there anything else that you would like to inform the people on before we go? Maybe your websites

1:02:12 Again, it's hiddennolonger.com for the issue of evidence of genocide in Canada and our film on Repentant and the tribunal website is ITCCS.org And that's all over latest updates you can see a copy to be of the arrest warrant today if you go to that I T CCS org And write to me at hiddenfromhistory1, the number one. Hidden from history 1 at gmail dot com and hopefully see you on in July when I come down Absolutely thanks again! I really admire your courage and hard work i wish you the best of luck I'll be pulling for you all the way and hopefully we can start to tear down these corrupt organizations starting at the top

1:02:50 Thanks a lot, Greg. I'll talk to you soon about July. All righty thank you have a good one! Bye for now. There you have it people Kevin and Ned doing what he can to bring down the man thanks for listening You Know The Drill i'm selling t-shirts over at conspirates.net and i'm writing Bernie Madoff letters in the off days no response yet unfortunately keep sharing the show and helping it grow and i'll see you next week Now that Pope Benedict aka Joseph Rasslinger is stepping down and the heat is on I figured he must be feeling pretty low. So Radzinger, this one's for you.

1:05:04 Everyone's got, you can put the bat away I wish you could, can you put up the bat with Step back from that ledge? I'll wait on this day I wish everyone'd step back from that And now we're waiting on the word undo