Steven Strong | Out Of Australia, Dreamtime, & The Pleiadians

00:05 Those propin masters almost surely have a clearly maybe something there. And until you've thoroughly tested every last course, just if you know the less you really do... That's true Dr. Seuss! Where would we be without TNT? Oh they're lying to us just don't look without TNT The higher side chat show Alright Hiresight Chatters, one of the topics we like to tackle most is those early chapters of the human story. Where do we come from? What were ancient civilizations really like? Has human progress actually been a steady incline as we're taught or has it been more complex saga of peaks and troughs which might have had several highly advanced societies lost from the records of today

01:04 While folks as more and more evidence is unearthed, and ancient sites and artifacts discovered the holes in what we thought was a pretty well supported mainstream perspective grow even bigger. And the established authorities resort to making up the story as they go along trying to shoehorn new discoveries into the same old tired narrative From the Out of Africa theory to the deceptive, degrading descriptions of indigenous societies encountered by Western expansion we're seeing more and more aspects of the human story that need to be reworked or rewritten entirely. And the implications for the collective psyche of the planet are no small matter Thankfully, the father-son research team of Stephen and Evan Strong have been neck deep in these issues for decades and their perspective is far different from what authorities would like us to know

01:47 Stephen, who's with us today is a teacher with a background in Aboriginal archaeology and education who co-wrote two units of the Masters of Aboriginal Studies program for Sydney University and the New South Wales Department of Education. And of course he's Evan's dad and together they've written several books about their out of Australia perspective, including Forgotten Origin, Shunned! The Hidden History of the Original Australians. And most recently Out Of Australia Aborigines The Dreamtime and Dawn of the Human Race which brings together 30 years of intensive research in consultation with elders in the original Australian community

02:23 Their dedication knows no bounds and I can't think of anyone more appropriate for such a show. An honor and pleasure, Stephen Strong welcome to the higher side! Well thank you so much and thank you for the introduction i don't really feel like i've got much more to say now that you just about summed it up Well, all right. Thanks for your time! But nah man you got plenty more to say because you wrote this great book full of a lot of information that was totally new to me and it's pretty clear that you know how to make your case so I'm pretty psyched and to kick this off give us little context for how this subject matter became such a priority to you were there some early threads that you kept pulling on? Was it spending time with the elders themselves? How did this all unfold

03:06 and unfolds in the Department of Education. I was involved in setting up Aboriginal studies, being taught in the high schools all the way through to high school certificate and over the years that I did that, I taught on the field won The Children's Trust and because of that the adults started to share things with me And I began to realize that I was actually propagating lies What I thought was a truth was just not the truth and the elders were prepared to show me. And what's taken place from there is further down the line, I was asked to go back to review of the Ab Studies course and so okay, I'll go back and I told them just throw the whole thing away and start again

03:53 And that discussion didn't end well. And a couple of days after that I resigned from the Department of Education and we started writing these books because I knew there was no way that truth could get in through mainstream, so we had to take a proactive course – I had to walk away! So from that small beginning we wrote some books for University Press of America and were very academic about it –that's why we did it that way and some elders, particularly ones the Ram and Jerry from South Australia. They approached us and I went down there for a week in a bit at the end of it they gave us ceremony and they gave us the right to start researching and talking to original people. And what's followed from now is we've been in contact with elders and keepers of the old way throughout the whole of Australia and because we've done ceremony and we'd been working through this elder, Kano has just passed on

04:49 They've been forthcoming. And we realized that the whole of our history, and I think you summed it up really well, it's not just Australian history there is much more to it than that. There's a collective psyche about where we came from and its all wrong! Everything... The last 5-6 thousand years have been sort of just a bad mistake that has got worse. And there was another way of living but the whole other planet was living in this is what were learning this wasn't just about the original people and how they lived in the past, it's what they exported to the rest of world. And that's what we're talking about. It's not so much about history lost, it's about the renaissance of a history that needs to come back today because what we have is just appalling. So yeah, it has been a long story and we still don't know where are going. The elders basically tell us what to do and every couple days I'll get a phone call from elder and he will tell me something we didn't know. We always keep adding this stories because its such huge one

05:47 Right. And the book is so full of information, it makes an excellent case and it's very academic. Yeah. And before we get too much into it let's talk about the mainstream out-of-Africa theory because to understand the alternative we got a clearly define what you're challenging here? And what can you tell us about how the out-of Africa theory got started and who's really behind it in the evidence that was based on before we kind of start to dismantle that Well to do that we had to do the same thing. We went to the paper, it was written by Professor Alan Wilson, a professor, associate professor at the time she's now Professor Rebecca Cairn and they were geneticists, and there's a seminal paper which I've read many many times. And it begins in the first paragraph something like this after 15 years of fighting between the paleontologists and the geneticist we have been proved right and they are wrong so it starts with a declaration of victory

06:42 And what it does, it introduces us the theory to the so-called Eve. 150 to 200 thousand years ago homo sapiens evolved in Africa and then they went out to the rest of the world. Now that's the base, that's where it comes from and of course many people have said well there it is! It was done by geneticists and it was done about 1991 I think this paper was put out? That's where that thinking came from other papers came out of that but But what people don't know, if you read the paper very carefully Greg is it says probably came out of Africa. I want to make that point it was never said they did now the reason they said probably is genealogy and genetics do not give you geographies they give you a lineage but they don't give you they lived at 42 Smith Street anywhere just tells you that a lineage came through not a position and what was also interesting was

07:37 that they made a molecular clock, it's quite famous. The human clock around about 150 thousand years and then five million years before that we became hominids came in there was something before that and that clock was based on two facts they thought happened in Australia the first one that the original people were the youngest and one-third genetically as diverse as the Africans and the second one was say they got their 50 000 years ago and here's our thinking If they got there between 50 to 60,000 years ago and their one-third is genetically diverse you multiply that together you get 150 to 180 thousand years ago. And that's ladies and gentlemen how they came up with that figure based on two events that took place in Africa sorry yeah in Australia what is interesting is both Professor Alan Wilson and Rebecca Cairne have both recanted on that

08:31 Rebecca Wilk-Aken was the first one to say she did study on 126 vials of blood that came from 26 indigenous groups and found the original people were not only the oldest, that they evolved 400,000 years ago from two lineages. Now they said in their paper it was 50,000 years, they're out by a factor of 8. She also said they are the most genetically diverse and in the paper I said there were the least genetically diverse and ladies and gentlemen all of the other studies and genetic work has come out of this second set of studies! I can tell you that Alan Wilson came to Australia twice

09:11 and collected his own samples to check this out. In, I think 89 and 87 he came down and checked it out and he collected 31 samples and he found 22 different genetic variations And he found from that, that they had been in their country at least 77 thousand years at a minimum. And he said if I collect... If I kept collecting more vials of blood, I would still get that 70% higher mutation rate it might go back hundreds of thousands of years! So what we've got Greg is all the other studies came from the studies of the two people who came from the Out-of-Africa Theory, who introduced it. They then did further research as genetics got more sophisticated and they found there were so many other stories and many others have followed that up all we've done in our book yes it is academic We just trawled all the other works and tried to put a big picture into that. We tried to show you there's a commonality here

10:11 And the commonality is that the original people are incredibly old and have no genetic relationship whatsoever to the Africans. See, that last point is kind of the most interesting. That they have no genetic connection to the Africans! I mean that's kind of mind-blowing probably for a lot of people because it's not so much to say we moved the target from Africa to Australia but to say there is no connection… There's something you're going to underline a couple times and put some exclamation points next to You've got too because this is such an interesting part of this equation Look, you've gotta remember this Africans The African race

10:50 have no Denisovan in them at all. Denisovan is a group of hominids that have been around in the countryside from at least 16,000 years ago to half-a-million years ago we've got traces from Spain and Siberia they're all around the place right? Now there's one group in the world that has the highest link of Denisovans in them which are the original people my reading of Denisovan is 4.7 which means 1 20th of my DNA today is Denisovan The Africans had none We're supposed to be told we're from the same race. Let me give you another one, we've now discovered a new genetic strand which we haven't written about yet that is found only in original people and they cannot find a hominid on the planet that's related too but it's only in original people

11:34 I would ask your readers or listeners rather, because we're... If there is... We have got Denisovan. I'm 4.7 and no African has got any reading of Denisovan. I've got within me a strand of mitochondrial DNA that belongs to an hominid or something –I'm not convinced it is– that no one can find and the Africans don't have it. How can we be related? I mean, I don't have to be a geneticist to work that one out. It is pure common sense and by the way just in case you didn't know this ladies and gentlemen Africans have no Neanderthal in them too How is it all the other races have all those mixtures within them? And the Africans who are supposed to be our ancestors had none of them They don't answer those simple questions As I said we try collect all that information and put it into our picture that what we can understand We try...I know its academic but we do try make it readable

12:24 because it really is a common sense story here. You've got to remember, in 1990 they began genetics now we are nearly 30 years further and they've got better! We mainly cite the most recent studies I mean people may not know this but the longest and largest study of Y chromosomes was done by two Russians is called The Walkthrough thing walk through chromosome testers, Y chromosomes And what they did was they took files from 400 willing volunteers who gave their semen up to a better cause and they were analyzed. And they came from anywhere but Africa, all over the world but not Africa and then they compared them to 13 distinct African markers that's for men and they wanted to get a match. Out of 5200 possible matches they got none

13:13 And what the researchers said is we don't know where Adam came from, I mean Adam and Eve and this story that they came from Africa. But one thing we can tell you is Adam is not African so if Eve's African and Adam isn't. It must have been a long-term relationship, long distance relationship because there's no way genetically when you study Y chromosomes what was only done three years ago there is no African link in anyone other than Africans from the Y chromosome part of the equation so when you put these things together and there's plenty of them you have to say okay the out of Africa theory doesn't work

13:49 But the real question in this group is the new chromosomes that have been found in original people. And this is what we find the most interesting part of the story, what they've said it's not Denisovan, it's not Neanderthal, it's not Red Deer caveman, it's not Homo Enigma, it's not Florensis... We know about all these different hominids now there's about 15 or 16 and we found them all! We said we did but where'd this one come from? Now I've asked the original people and, like I tell you, I've asked all of them the same question and they have all given me the same answer. They said that you both aren't going to find it because the extra set of chromosomes we just discovered which by the way is scientific fact and they'll tell you they don't know where they come from... They all told me they come from the Pleiades! And that's when the story gets interesting!

14:35 Right. Yes, that was gonna be my next question for you was to bring up the elders and the original Australians a bit more I mean obviously you guys have spent a lot of time with them and they seem to preserve their oral history And delivered in layers is a lot like a secret society tends to do and I wondered if you could elaborate on this Process and how the human story goes according to them well What happens is when you're with original people? The Elders your drip fed information as I see fit Never ask them a question because you'll never get an answer and it will come when they think you need to hear it, not when you're asking. Normally when you ask the question I think you don't need to hear then because your asking too much. You should learn As far this is concerned the healing process that's taking place my understanding is the original people believed that genetic cross was agreed to People need to understand when the Pleiadians... This what they've told me on passing on the stories I've been told

15:36 There was a healing process that began right back at the very beginning where original people and Pleiadian genes were crossed, and from that point on they then went around the rest of the world. And all races have within them... They might think it's just in the original people who've detected a massive amount of this genetic information they can't recognize. Every human being on the planet has original genes within them. I could talk about another study to prove that but won't for now. My point being that is now being generated and been activated. So, within each of us is a healing gene that was placed there way back in the beginning it was part of a long-term plan

16:17 The original people are adamant that their countrymen, and that's a word they use a lot, are the Pleiadians. And they came here and they began in Australia and they seeded the hominids from there and those genes have spread everywhere. And as the resonance of the Earth vibrates and picks up, I'm sure you're aware of the fact it is now above 100 on occasion, if it was around 7 or 8, that is what its activating So the healing process has began. The original elders, and I can tell you this, the reason why we've been shown so many sacred stuff that people haven't seen before and some of which we can't show you but 95% we do because that's the whole deal here no secrets We're showing this stuff because they believe there is a change afoot There's not one elder I have met or am working with it doesn't know that The change is taking place And it's taking place within us and those genes are resonating

17:12 And the studies we're doing in this country and the sacred objects we're finding are part of that process too. So it has begun already, there are sacred rocks and sacred places where working with at the moment that a part of that process to do and there will be change. And its gonna start in Australia, thats one of the parts of this story, thats why its called out of Australia because it began here and it starts again here. That's an Artemathus saying we all know, It will begin again here." I think a lot of us are feeling the need for some change so maybe positive days are ahead! And as far as the Pleiadians' motivations what can you say about that? Because it's kind of interesting... Well again I try not to do as much as I can put in any of my own opinions. I might have to put one into this but I'll preface that first

18:01 My understanding is the motivation goes way back to the seeding of this planet. I have a rock which on the custodian at the moment, and now the dreaming story that goes with that and that rock tells us of the place when they sent a spear from the Pleiades to seed this planet and it was thrown from Pleiades and landed at Uluru, which is Ayers Rock some people know. That's a rock in the middle of Australia and if you look at that rock you'll find it is like spear-shaped just like a cone that points goes to a point on the top this where they seeded this place there was a long term plan to seed the country and to see this whole place because How can I put this? There's an understanding. I'm going to go back to an elder again, bear with me because they sometimes spend a bit of time to get to the point and I'll have to tell the story that was told to me. Sure! And I have been told I waffle a lot but iIm gonna do it again. I'll go back too and hopefully remember where I was before that

18:52 I asked one of my oldest, why did the aliens come in? The Syrians and Pleiades. Why'd they bother? I said, I look at this place today and I see nothing worthwhile. I honestly don't want to be too down about this but we don't behave well. We behave poorly. We spend 1.50 cents on every dollar in security and killing each other. We can't cooperate. Why would they bother And he smiled at me, and this is the only time I've ever got an answer off an elder. I thought like I deserved it because they want me to do all this stuff and talk about these guys but I can't believe they bother! Anyway, he smiled at me said, ''I want you to think of all the different forms of aliens as varying shades of the very first alien that was depicted in a favorable manner on mass TV, mass media.'' And I had to think about that so I wanted him to have one show where we finally have an alien that was a friend

19:46 and I couldn't come up with it, he told me. And it's an American one at Star Trek and its Dr Spock okay? Now he said, I want you to remember what Dr Spock was like. I said yes, he was very intelligent, he understood what was right or wrong but did he understand love? No he didn't. Did he understand our emotions? He says no he didn't that's why they come He said, that's why they come. He said because this planet of all the planets in the universe is the strongest has a strongest vibration of pure love now every being on this planet gets affected by that I mean I know a story of the shingleback lizards of Australia where one mates with another and if it gets run over in the road the other one might leave or die with it rather than leave its mate so it affects all of us and he said the aliens Dr Spock

20:38 Think of him as a Pleiadian. He's got an understanding what's right and wrong, and fights for us and stands by us but never quite understood this." And he said all the others are varying degrees of that and some don't care at all They just come here to find out how I can get this, they'll cut it up and see if it's inside. What is going on here? They're drawn because this planet is different." Now the Pleiadians... The reason why they've done this and I was getting to that point when you got to the same point was they wanted to live here not just visit and impose but live with us and become part of this. And the only way they could do it is their body was not strong enough for the heat and the gravity here, because they had to live underneath the ground and create something that can incarnate into, and that was the agreement. So the Pleiadians...and there are many people today Greg who claim they are Pleiadian I'm not! I don't claim anything like that or claim I am anything but a fallen human But many believe it strongly

21:36 that they are. They're incarnated, Pleiadians have been here all that time waiting for something to happen so they've seeded us in a lot of different ways in that through the soul they have incarnated into original people and non-original people and through our genetics so they're part of the process. So when the original people tell me the Pleiadians are our countrymen and I know that all humans came from original people then we are all countrymen of the Pleiadians and that was their plan. It's a clever plan, it was hatched billions of years ago but that's the process that is going on and we now are living in

22:14 a planet and place that's unlike any other in the cosmos. And that's why they're here, not of all of them are here for good reasons do not believe that everyone has come from afar who is coming here as enlightened as them. There's humans nearly there others aren't right but their drawn here because this places special and every human being is incarnated on this place has to potential to be greater than all of them remember that original people have a saying Every person in their tribe has magic. It just depends how much at the moment our magic is gone We really are we've lost that skill and all those skills occasionally we see free people that have Telepathy can speak to what those that passed on but we should all be able to do that That is what every human here was capable of doing That's why they come here, but at the moment

23:06 They're pretty damn disappointed. We're not doing a very good job." Man, I really think that cosmology is fascinating and I know Michael Tellinger's another researcher I enjoy who you guys have worked with and you mentioned the Syrians and uh... You know that is his contention I guess that we were spawned as a slave race for mining probably from beings that came from the Sirius star system Is it possible that multiple alien races came here to engineer beings for different purposes? Look, Michael has worked with us and we still keep in contact. In fact he wrote a lovely reference on the back of our book which we're eternally grateful for. Michael and I fully believe exactly the same thing in Africa, the Syrian genes are there they're one part of a component what we are today and that's why so many people today are still so drawn towards following authority it's genetically bred into them through our genes but don't forget we have other genes within us too yes! We are really a dog's breakfast

24:05 of genes. They've all stuck their nose into this, these human beings, homo sapiens give me a break! We're not wise, homo emotional-emotional absolutely but not sapiens sapiens that's not what we are. We are driven by emotion, we're driven by love, we're driven by emotion more than any other group that surround but remember within that the most powerful force on the planet, any planet is love. That's what draws them there. That's the real kick with this yeah and look we do believe where Syrians came to begin with. I believe they've evolved since then because everyone evolves on this planet, they can't help but not be

24:40 It is part of the makeup of this planet. It radiates it, but to begin with yes they wanted compliant miners we're fully in agreement with Michael and Michael also agrees and it's very clear here Syrians never came to Australia. It was Pleiadian only territory must have been some sort of gentleman's agreement before they fought that this was their territory a new mob could have the rest but here the original people maintained that pure bloodline until Cook came where they basically had original bloodline and they also had the Pleiadian bloodline. But in other places, yes but of course now the original bloodline... They've got the other stuff in there too now There's very few people are full descent original anymore and they have some of the Syrian stuff in their to and all the other mobs My understanding from what I've been told is it's no less than 10 different groups that have stuck their nose into different times This really has been a basket case

25:38 because every being wants a piece of the action here, but nobody fully understands it better than the humans that are here. Even though we've got other stuff within us we are still the only ones that have been here all the time that can actually have got the strongest connection to the land. And that's where the original people lived, with the land. Right now, the further humans are drawn away from the land whether it be concrete underneath their feet or concrete all around them they lose that connect with the land and they lose their humanity. And the other parts, those other parts that were put in there, the genes that make us what we were before, they kick in and we start to mine like we did before but it's a different type of mining but we all get in lines again and we do what we're told. That's exactly what happened before when we get away from the land those genes become stronger but when you're walking in the forest

26:35 the Pleiadian original genes, they come back into play. And right now that's what people have got to try and do! Every person I'm speaking to today in America has within them... They have Pleiadian genes, they have Original Dreams, they have American Indian genes within them We're a mixture of everything now No one is purely one thing But what you got to do is you've gotta kick the dross out and contact the stuff within you, that beginning, the source, your original. And if you follow those ones, those genes will take it forward. The rest get in the way." I love it man! I think that's just so fascinating and it's an interesting way to look at the past for sure much more epic than our mainstream story.

27:15 I wanted to get into the archaeology a bit too, because you talk about 10 sites or findings in Australia that can change the official story when you really only need one. Can you tell us about a couple of these sites that you think are most impressive? Yeah okay look... The trick I put on everyone is this. You say we got here 50-60 thousand years ago But there are sites here that contradict that big time. A couple have come to mind straight away, there's one at Lake George. Now the person who did the work of Lake George is called Gurdup Singh he's been doing core extractions in the Great Barrier Reef and got a date there of 180 000 years and you've got one in Lake George which is 120 000 years now what he found was he dug down this lake four million years

28:00 at 120 to 122,000 years there was a massive increase in charcoal. Massive increase of 10 times increase in charcoal now what was even more compelling was the charcoal increase only took place when the lake levels were low high not low because people could say all this bushfires no when the place was green there was more fire and when it was dry those less and what he concluded correctly was his firestick farming One academic in the whole of the country has challenged that date and said, no I disagree with 120. I think it should be 60. I will take 60. I'll take 120 because the story is the Africans got here between 50 to 60 thousand years on top of Australia edged their way around the coast because they're mariners first and then slowly made their way in and got into the middle around 30 000 years ago

28:49 Well, this is 60,000 or 120,000 years ago which means they were here much earlier than that. Now that's one of those places there now no one has argued the Gurdjieff thing because he is an Australian expert he's done this all over the country for 30 years and no-one's going to argue the point He was right in doing this and he found another site at Great Barrier Reef where he found the same charcoal accumulation taking place 180,000 years ago. And in that case the same story took place and it was working with two other people one with Jim Bowler and the other one was Peter Lowendyke Now Jim Bower is the greatest defender of the out-of-Africa theory in Australia

29:25 What's amazing was he signed up on this paper saying that humans were burning off in the countryside 180,000 years ago. Now there is that type of evidence taking place all over now we've also got a third site which is a place called Panoramity and there you have an engraving that's about 300 Cajun land it's near Lake Eyre in the middle of Australia in the desert And there, there is an engraving which I've seen the plaster mold of. I've had my hands on it of a saltwater crocodile which is stunning! It's got about 150 scales, all of different sizes have been engraved into this rock. Now the beauty of this is the experts have told me saltwater crocodiles have not been in that area anywhere near there for at least 80 000 years and here we are 300 kms off the coast right in the middle of the desert in the middle of Australia and humans are creating something that is no less than say 85 000 years old and the artwork there

30:23 the saltwater crocodile had to be about 16 to 17 feet long because their head is six foot long of itself. And then there's writing along the side, which is actually Aboriginal writing original rather alphabet. What's amazing is this was happening 30 000 years before Africans got to Australia now there are 10 other sites like that that all have people with PhDs that presented this information, we just collected it. Our question is we only have to get one of them right to prove the people were in this country well before and because Greg you have the best proof of all! You had 55 skulls of original people Dr Walden Neidhouse as he found in Brazil now you've got a regional you got Australian people living in your country before the American Indian peoples and there's evidence coming out all over the place they just did a study

31:17 from, I think it's a place, a small university in America called Harvard University. David Reich was the one that ran it with six other universities. It took three years to do and hundreds of academics where they went into the middle of the Amazon rainforest and collected the mitochondrial DNA from two tribes, one's called Tupu and I forgot the other one. And they collected them because they married with each other and wouldn't let others in. They said this is a purest blood we have in America to tell us where people came from. Do you know what the closest mitochondrial match in the world was? Australia! After Australia it was part of New Guinea which was part of Australia and then it was daylight

31:56 What you have there, mitochondrial DNA tells us back the front is your first people from America before the American Indians are the people who came from Australia. So the proof of existence to the original people wandering the world and their genes spreading everywhere is in front of us now. The science is coming up every day with more stories about that and we've got a look at those stories and say this must be true because the science tells us this Right. I thought that was a great part of the book, that skulls found in the Americas, the experts say they look more like Australian skulls than the African ancestor's skulls and that's very intriguing and also in terms of anomalous artifacts or sites there is something else...I think it's pronounced the carrion glyphs which are pretty impressive from the standpoint of possibly an original language or possibly some collusion with the Egyptians right?

32:50 Yeah, we're actually going to put up... this sounds like an ad. I do apologize it's great! We just put a webinar up about a week ago and the next one is gonna be solely devoted to the carry-on glyphs and we're gonna bring in Giorgio, I'm hoping too from Ancient Aliens because he came down and had a look at it. Yeah we are! And we're gonna bring in somebody who worked for the government who's gonna spill the beans on the cover up which is going to be interesting Very simply what it is, it's three walls and on it are hundreds upon hundreds of engraved hieroglyphics. Now they've been cut and they've been cut with metal blades now the original people are supposed to only have stone stick-and-bone technology never had metal until Mr Cook came in landed with the British well that's wrong

33:40 Now what we found is some people have claimed that it's a fake but it isn't fake and we sort of covered that pretty well anyway, and they're starting to back off on that anyway now. They start to give up on it. What it is, is there's one section there ... We've looked at it and we actually got a manual from the first person who went in that was working with the Egyptians at the time, and we've got handwritten notes saying this is spot on. This is the right manual. We looked at the manual and the first wall tells us of two brothers, two Egyptian brothers sons of Khufu their names are Nefer-de-Jeb and Nefer-Tiru and they were stranded on this place, 2 boats, and they could not get back one of the two brothers went west for two seasons

34:25 and was bitten by a snake twice. It's that specific, and I've got to tell you in Australia man when you're bitten by a snake the first time you move your foot around, you don't get bitten the second time that's clumsy! And it then says this... well that's a sad part of story coming up now, don't want to upset the readers but he died That's the story and it's written there. And yeah, look we've got the manual out and we read it and we're not arguing the point that wall is all Egyptian We do argue the point about the next two walls. We think it's an older language but we do have no doubts. And we've also found a second set of glyphs which we discussed when we discovered them. We put them up recently long way away from their telling us where he was buried. And it's written exactly like that. It even tells us where to go. And it mentions that the son of a Pharaoh has died then

35:12 So yes, we know someone's died there. And to add to that, we were given by Arnie Minimace who went there the first time this other fellow went there and she picked up two objects which he has given us. One of them is a bone it's the hip bone and she says... She's been told it is the hip bone of Nefer-Taru. Now ladies and gentlemen that was a bit much to give me that! They also gave him some jewelry they said was from him It was found near the back shaft where he was buried We took that hip bone to the local base hospital. I talked to the head of the fractures unit and he looked at it, and it's very grey and very old, this is very old because it was very light. He said it could be but I can't tell. The only way we're going to tell is a CAT scan. Right then how much does that cost? Well watch you want a couple thousand dollars but we'll do it for free

36:04 And by the way, they did. They were quite taken by it. I'm not allowed to say which hospital is but they did do it for free because I've got their CAT scan readout. Beautiful! The CAT scan readout and they told me this said look the patient here's not going to complain we're going to give him six times a normal dosage and we'll have a close look. No, the bone never made a complaint so we let it go. They told us at the finish that it has exactly the same density as a human bone and it's extremely old that's all they know So that was given to me and alongside it I was also given a pendant which has now been analysed by the top laboratory in Australia. And this is where it gets very interesting, Gregg. I know what's inside that pendant 72% of its aluminium here's the trick Egyptians have never had aluminium secondly cook aluminium you need 3700 degrees this is ancient this is before cook then he gets weirder got three percent zinc

37:00 And then it's got 24, sorry. That's right 24% of the metals inside the pendant I have next to me right now come from metals that cannot be identified and this guy...I've spoken with a head at that apartment they're blown away by it! They thought it could have been an oxide so they did a double-chested but is not. 24 percent of the metal that came from the carry on glyphs some people tell you the whole thing are fake but I'm trying to tell you in a blackfella way roundabout that its not was picked up by Aunty Minnie Mose, who's one of our most important elders in the whole country. Given to me as protection she said this particular pendant will protect you because it is not fully familiar." Now 24% of that metal I have with me right now no scientist on this planet knows where it comes from. Hang on for a sec! Haven't I got some genes inside me right now that come from somebody that nobody on this planet doesn't know about? There's a commonality in this story isn't there

37:57 So yeah, it's an amazing place. It's got an Egyptian story about the two brothers coming here and they did. I've checked with the elders, they came and they stayed here for 4,000 years and they left 400 years ago and I know why they left on what they did when they broke the law but they had continual residence here over 4000 years, they were allowed to stay that's all fine, they came but remember this, the pendant at Nefertaru War has metal in there Aluminium. Egyptians have none, they don't have bauxite but secondly no one on this planet has 24% of what's in that particular and I've got the readout given to us by the laboratory too so we're not making it up 24 percent of that metal doesn't come from this planet Wow So there are two stories on those walls

38:47 And by the way, the reason I'm telling you this Greg is on the other two walls there is what the public calls are UFO glyphs. Yes! Guess what? It's the most common glyph on the other 2 walls and I didn't call it a UFO glyph but that's exactly what it looks like. There's just half of semi-circle with legs coming out at back some plummeting down some are coming down in right way 5 are coming down to right way and 3 are plummeting there's a story with that too. So yeah, there's a lot in that place it's a very important place and the government is fighting desperately for this not to become mainstream. In fact to that end we tricked the ABC which is like the BBC in England... We tricked one of their reporters to come on site and look at this whole thing and she was so taken by it her name is Mary Louise Vince I'm not making this up

39:39 She made up a news item that went through the whole of this nation as the second item on the news item for ABC. It was 1 minute 40 items about how fantastic their place was and Egyptians were there, they put it up on their website to say this is an amazing site within two hours It was taken off every radio station in the whole of Australia and the website was taken down and never put up again. It is the only time in ABC's history that a news item has been taken off while it was still on air. So that's what the government thinks of what is going on with that site. So, that gives you a very quick rundown of Carry On. Ladies and gentlemen, you work out whether it is legitimate or not? I would put it to you if the Australian Government are fiddling with news items about the place and bringing them down... By the way, I had an academic who follows us that badgered ABC for years for reason putting it down and they did give an official reason. Their reason for putting it down was this – he was given this reason on email

40:40 We don't have to give one. End of story." Wow! And by the way, the ABC is paid by the taxpayers we pay for that ourselves it's a publicly funded broadcasting network so that's the story of carry-on it's very legitimate It's got the story about Egyptians being here but then its got an even bigger inconvenient truth someone came from up there down here and it's on those walls I love it, man. That is a great breakdown and you know i've heard you say that not only does Australia seem to be the birthplace of culture, of humanity but also the birthplace of magic and you mentioned magic earlier and i've always been intrigued by shamanic practices and the shocking ability of those who take that path have you seen or been told about any impressive aspects of these indigenous esoteric practices with the elders that you've

41:35 What a great question. I've answered this a few times, yeah, I'm going to tell you one and there's a person who will act as a witness and their name is Graham Hancock have you heard of him? Yeah! I went on a tour of Armenia for two weeks with Graham Ah, there you go. Okay then you know I'm using a reputable witness here and by the way Santha was there too? Oh yeah! Okay so how about i tell you a story about shamanic magic that's taking place two years ago because it's not gone in this country that's one of the things this mob are offering. I'll tell you a story that's true and there were eight people there and two of the people who saw it was Graham Hancock and Santa Wow So they can back this one up and this is what happened

42:11 My teacher, the elder Kano who's the elder of the ramunjeri. The one that gave a ceremony. So Graham spent six days with us looking at this stuff we're seeing amazed by it I said you can spend the six days with us Graham but on the seventh day to understand this properly You have to come on country sacred country and be with an Elder of past and spend some time with them And he agreed to do it So this was the payback. We took him on country for six days, sewing some of the stuff we've got in our book there. In return he had to do his duty with the elder. This is what happened that night. We're sitting around a campfire because he's got this massive campfire and I'm doing one thing and all of sudden Kano appears from nowhere done up old way fully painted up just the loincloth all the paints across there all the different ochre designs and started singing in country and language rather

43:01 Spoke to us some of the time did a whispering song did some other stuff which I can't talk about now because that's not really Important said some stuff to us. A lot it was done in old language And then he translated back into Australia or in English rather probably Australians have been away putting it then in the finish Right and the finish this is what he did He walked back one step more watched him because cuz he said nothing just walk back that stick Graham was sitting next To me at times. So, I know exactly what happened Then he walked back the second step. When he walked back the second step, he completely disappeared and no one could see him now that campfire we're on is surrounded by blue metal gravel when you walk on it makes a noise within a second there was standing behind his wife Christine and we asked her about this later they're about 40 meters away and he's got this huge smile in his face and he just reappeared

43:57 I look back at Graham and his mouth is open so wide, mate. A thousand flies could have flown in and he wouldn't have known we had nothing we could've said. In fact nobody said a thing for... Oh shit! Sorry, I shouldn't have sworn. No you can. Nobody was going to ask Kano a thing but i know that somebody went up to Christine later on because you don't know really what to say and somebody said to Christine What happened then? And their answer was, don't ask me. I've never seen that one before either." Now, I got to tell you with this guy that is not unusual. This is part of what I said about the magic we have within and I did ask him later about this much later like way later and he said it's simple everyone here comes from both sides he said you don't know but I do

44:50 So what he's saying is, he just went to the other side and made his way around the other side and then came back again. We just couldn't see him! We have actually done – I forgot this, Evan has told me this once – we have actually done a disappearing ceremony with an elder and I forgot that actually can happen but that's not the only thing you can do on another occasion... Have you heard of Dr Doolittle Greg? Yes i have Well, I got a story that's better than that. On another occasion, I went on to site and when I go onto site, I always do a ceremony and this time Aunty Bev one of my other elders who teaches me she was crook with her leg and she couldn't go into country and she couldn't smoke us so at that stage I wasn't allowed to give smoking So I did another ceremony that Uncle Jerry told me to do when going onto the sacred site but it wasn't in the right place but we did it anyway And as we came in an owl flew out and left a feather behind We thought that was good sign

45:39 My God, it wasn't. Anyway we did our business on this site which is in New South Wales near Curriell actually and when we get back home about four hours later I get a phone call from South Australia 3 000 k's away there's Kano he's on the phone he said i'm sitting in front of red kangaroo that's come to my door it's sitting with me at the moment and told me his story about what you've been up today I thought, oh, I'm in trouble here. He said did you go on country today? And I said yeah, yeah, I did, he said did you smoke yourself? My kangaroo says you didn't and I said no, no, I didn't but we did another ceremony so yeah, told me about that with the rocks when you stacked them up and I said yeah, I did. He said yeah that's why it was still alive otherwise you would have been killed then and there. He said I got a message and he said yeah, I'll tell him, another bird has told the kangaroo is now telling me since if ever going onto country again and smoking yourself they will kill you

46:29 and then he hung up the phone. I was in a bit of shit for awhile, I can tell you that but I want to tell you something. That message that Al left four hours before and got to the kangaroo island which is 3000 K's away. That message went from animal to animal and it was doing 750 K per hour. Huh! That's the speed of a jet and it got to him and he knew exactly what I was doing because the animals told him. Now Greg there are two examples of what the shamans call magic But if you ask Kano, he said that's well I can do it. In fact that's what he said, I can do it why can't you? And that's the story about what the original people have and what their genes still have by the way

47:10 I still can't do any of those things, I'm afraid. I'm a long way off that." But that's what he can do and both those things are not make-believe stories but true stories. I'll swear that on 20 decks of Bible and so will Graham on the first one. So there are some examples of what they can do and still can do. And as I've told people before if you give me a choice between the flashes, flat screen TV with all the accompaniments and all the bells and whistles or the ability to be able to pass messages, talk to animals. Or disappear and appear at will I'll pick the second one thanks guys! I pick it every day. Amen yeah those are amazing stories man and speaking of Dr Doolittle in the book you guys also have a picture of a buncha tribesmen standing in the water and you talk about unique fishing situation with dolphins that really blew my mind can tell us little bit about this tradition?

48:06 Yeah, yeah. It's a great picture it's got about 25 men standing in the water and the label underneath the white fillet label is Aboriginal Men Spear Fishing when you look very carefully not one of them holds a spear there's one man that holds a branch that he's thrashing on the water there that's it but they are fishing But of course, again this is part of what the original people were doing. This is what happened up and down the coast to the original people and the dolphins... And I'm not... This is true! It's well known everywhere they formed a relationship, they could communicate with one another now when the old man...,and you'll see in that picture there's one man that standing up What he's doing? He's singing to the dolphins, he's singing the dolphin song When the dolphin hear that song, and then maybe kilometers away, they will come

48:56 and what actually happens is the dolphins then drive, I don't know what the fish is because I'm a vegetarian. I'm not sure it's either mullet or something like that they drive schools of fish in and they drive them towards the men who are standing in the shallow part. And when it gets really shallow, the fish can't swim backwards and then what happens is that the men pick up enough of their tribe and enough for the dolphins and they split it equally. Then they feed the dolphins so give them all the fish and the dolphins don't have to go on damn chase the damn things! They wait there and get given all the food and then the men go back and feed their tribes for days on end And when that's finished, they go back and sing to the dolphins again. And they both learn to work together. What it is according to the elders? It's a meeting of equals. We've got to understand this business about being on top of the pyramid is wrong. That's a meeting where two equals worked together with equal intelligence and they cooperate with each other

49:50 This was done not just there, it was done up and down the coast everywhere. Everywhere very few men ever went out spearing for fish as long as they had a relationship with the dolphins most of the time they would work together it was common and what they did is find a shallow place to drive them back in and they pick the fish up, and they share them out. That's the best way to go fishing because guess what? You never come home and say a big one got away. No it's there next your feet man just pick it up put in a basket And that's why these men had so much time to become spiritual you see they did a study on original people in the desert

50:29 in the middle of the desert where it doesn't rain and they found that original men and women were spending no more than four hours a day getting food. The rest of time was free time, but on the coast it was less than that. This is actually heaven on earth man! There's no one working for them and they all work for each other. And this case didn't just work for each other, I also worked with dolphins too. They worked as a group Yeah, that's the way we do things here. It's a lot better than throwing a hook out with our bait because you know you're going to get a catch and think of the people they hang around with! You get to hang around with dolphins. That's not bad neighbors is it? No not at all that's something I've always wanted to do is getting in water with dolphins People say its pretty transformative experience

51:10 I imagine if you're doing it nearly every second or third day and you're working in partnership with them. And here's the point, do you know what? When the men when the old man would ever row across to the other side of the river, the dolphins would always escort the old man across. They'd just escort him all the way there and back just to make sure there weren't any sharks around stuff like that this was actually quite a very strong connection between tribes up and down the coast and the original people. And when I said about original people in the book, I talk about what they explored aboard that was part of what they taught. It's part of what they taught others in different places. They would have taught Indian mob in America the same things and they would have been doing it too. I'll guarantee you find stories near about the same things taking place none of this stuff was kept secret is meant to be shared with all humanity

51:59 Not countries. That is great and your book is full of so much stuff I can't believe we went this long without really talking about dream time you've mentioned it a couple of times in passing but tell the people how important this is to the elders and the original Australians and their culture? Dreaming is really the focal point of original life everything revolves now, you gotta remember Somebody once asked me, was there anyone in the country before Cook that didn't believe in God? And my answer was instantaneous no. I didn't think about it. It was that quick. You lived in a society where there was never a doubt

52:38 about the creation. Now, the difference... The reason why there was no doubt is because the spirits were in the land they're in the clouds, they are in the birds that were watching you constantly. There was nothing you could do that wouldn't be reported back through bird sign, through cloud sign, through some sort of sign that would give you up so that you've done something wrong. So, the dream was your connection and I'll give you a couple examples of their connection and it might give listeners a better idea how that works One example would be that, say you'd broken a really important sacred law. Let's say you've gone into a sacred site and you've broken the sacred object. You beg to be killed for that because it is considered worse than... Well it's up there with rape and murder those three things are the worst priority. You're killed for that straight away. There's never question if you done that you die but they wouldn't kill you they set your free

53:35 It's such a bad crime, you could not get the honor of dying. Because if you died on country your soul would disappear for what? Then it reincarnate back into another person or baby on that country and your connection continues If you're sent off-country and when you die, you die off-country Your soul is lost in limbo forever You can't reincarnate again And they believe strongly in reincarnation because reincarnation is part of the dreaming Your connection to the land is eternal So you have dreaming stories for that area, they only belong to that area. There's only one dreaming story you'll find runs through every tribe through the whole of Australia without exception which is the Seven Sisters which is a story about Pleiades of course. That goes to every place but apart from that all other dreaming stories are belonging to them alone When you become a man I'll give a story there from Diane Bell who was the first female archaeologist actually work with women

54:31 When the boy was cut that night, the women would steal the boy away and they'd repeat a mantra all night long. It went something like this... it was from a woman you were born, it's a woman who will give you food and it's a woman you will marry. And after that they gave him back to the male and then what happened is the boy, he's now a man, would go into country and be out there for three or four months and find his dreaming, find his spirit, find his quest And he'd make a connection, not with the land but with the spirit of the land. When he came back, the women would cry and say my son's died. The son would say it was me and they cried for days saying no you're not my son I don't know who you are my son has died. After about three days they then said yes my son has died and turned into a man

55:18 Because that connection when they go out there, they would go and find their dreaming, their totem. They'd start to make connection with land and then for the rest of their life Their job would be to learn more dreaming stories get that connection to the land stronger To understand how they can facilitate that their magic It's within them And that all comes under the auspices of the dream you see under the auspices of the dreaming it even goes into daily life If I marry my wife, which I did. I would then from that point on never be allowed to speak to my mother-in-law. Hmm...I'm wondering about that one? I'm not going make a comment about that! Never! If I wish to speak to her she might be in my presence and I'd have to tell someone else who would then tell them what I said and then she'll tell them and come back. Interesting Now they've said that the Dreaming says that happens because we don't need fights in tribes And Mother-In-Laws believe no matter who marries their daughter is not good enough

56:10 It's funny how that still works today. So they have rules about how you behave, who you can talk to it runs into every part of their life let's say when you're born for the very first time when you take your first steps normally they take the baby away and I look at those first three footsteps when you stand upon the earth which is a spirit and they'll work out the rest of your life from there oh he's a hunter yes we can see that look at the way stood there and that will be what you gonna be so its all pervasive Your first three steps is your career's exam. You've done your high school certificate, you've done your exam, you're going to become this." It was done in three steps. It's done. It's finished. So it's that strong a connection with the land. You belong to the land, you go back to the land and you come back to the land again and incarnate. It is an ongoing connection that began at the very beginning of time and never finishes

57:05 So it's not like a religion where you go to church one day and pray. You do it every minute of the day because the spirits are watching you constantly, once you fully understand the dreaming, you realize that every time you come back here, you have no privacy whatsoever. There are spirits continually watching everything you do and as we all know there are things we all do we wish that no one would knew but guess what? They do! That's the dreaming I love it. And it is interesting that they reconcile or synthesize information about genetic engineering from the Pleiadians and the idea of Creator God That's the same thing you have to remember in our society before The White Feathers came here we never didn't have a word for god We called my army Moola Moola all of them sky heroes

58:00 Remember that? Now we all, and the Sky Heroes know this too. There's a creation that creates all of that and we were already here. We were created by that but what the Creator decided then what the Pleiades decide is to change it around so from our point of view they are sky heroes The angels you talk about well because they fly They're sky heroes And of course there are spirits and their part of that too They're different parts of that same story So the original people believed that the land is also part of God. And that's something that a lot of non-original people have lost track off, they believe the spirit that's inside us is inside a tree and inside the rocks particularly inside the rocks we're looking after at the moment They believe that! They are absolutely convinced that everything has an essence within it so therefore if you know that God watching every second of the day

58:57 Man, you're going to behave differently if you really believe it. If you absolutely believe at heart and soul like they did then, you'd think this would be heaven on earth. Of course it wasn't because I've got to tell you – it sounds that way Greg but I've got some bad news here – men still fought over women! I believe it doesn't change. They didn't fight over money cause there was no money. You can't fight over possessions cause you can't own anything here but we still manage…men still managed to find a way because unfortunately There's an imperfect design with men. We have something called testosterone and sometimes it makes us angry, and when we get angry we forget things so even on Paradise which is here we know there were mistakes made by men and we know there were some big mistakes made before the white fellas came here So yeah It's a bit of a Philz paradise but it can work

59:51 And I know you've also worked with Laird Scranton a bit when it comes to some of the glyph translations and this idea of an original kind of more universal language, which I believe the elders have said some things to you about. But Laird's done some amazing research into the Dogon tribe, of course. Have you seen cultural similarities or parallels in some of their oral traditions? Or this idea of a universal language originally? Absolutely. In fact, we've worked extensively with Laird on the other two walls and I actually stand by Laird's translation of that and I'll give you a very good reason why in a sec but his translation of some of those glyphs is far more esoteric and far more scientific talking about vibration movement of gravity and stuff like that it's a secret language when we went through his book

1:00:40 and we found all these links, and I can tell you now on those two walls there are at least 50 symbols that come straight out of Laird's book. And there are some very big ones that come out of Laird's book, and we honestly believe that he is onto something there. In fact, I can tell you the opening symbol on the second and third wall which we believe is of an ancient language Led is translated as being the opening part of the Naa-Ki language, which represents black man and serpent. Now, we're talking about the serpent religion of Australia where the rainbow serpent is the most important part of their dreaming. And we're talking about a black man and there he's reading the same thing. We are fully on side with that. We actually do believe that when a proper translation is done of that, we believe what Laird has got there should be a focal point on translating it not what they are trying to do at the moment You see, the match up for Proto-Egyptian on the second and third wall is 44%

1:01:40 Now on the first wall I spoke about with Nefertiri and Nefertasheb, my match up is 88%. I'm prepared to accept that it's Egyptian because it's such a high correlation to a manual that was approved by the Antiquities Department in Egypt. Well, I'm happy with that but when you're down below 44%, I'm not convinced I'm not convinced no matter who's done the translation that that is fully Proto-Egyptian anymore. What i am thinking, from an earlier language that Laird is talking about and we're very strongly behind on that and I believe what we've got there on those two walls... And I know Laird thinks the same because we spent some time working on that it's exactly that! We've got some of that language written there So I think what makes that wall carry more important Is we have a statement from Egyptians

1:02:27 saying we were here and that's about it really then we have a statement on first thing which was says a Bloody lot more. That's the one We really should be reading and remember within that lands on about the same thing I am we're talking about science I was speaking to an elder three hours ago on the phone And he said exactly this we had technology today You guys wouldn't even know about we walked away from that rubbish, huh? When are they gonna wake up themselves? He said something to me, I've said this many times. This planet runs on high spiritual octane energy and it doesn't need much technology we've overdone it with the technology that's why its hurting and why we're hurting too so yeah Les right and you know what? I got a strong feeling when we read that passage It'll be as much historical is going to be prophetic We both think that too So yeah look I'm fully behind what he's doing there And I think your gonna find

1:03:18 When we finally get the government to give up on this site for what it really is, it's going to become one of the most important sites in the world. Wow man! So many discoveries... It's just such an amazing time to be alive. Isn't it? So many people out there doing great stuff and So I wanted to ask about this too, because a lot of listeners are going to be familiar with this perspective of a culture seeding group. This concept that maybe an advanced civilization like Atlantis was destroyed and some survivor group went around integrating with and elevating indigenous tribes so that's a popular narrative right now but

1:03:55 I think i've heard you say something to the effect that according to these Australian elders, the white man came to learn not to teach and that seems really hard to determine. Is there any way we can try and verify that kind of claim? And parse out who really taught who? Look, the elders tell me they knew they were coming. I can also tell you...I won't go into details why because I've only just got this information. I've gotta work through it properly. The original society was imploding I'm not saying the same happened with the American Indian Society. I'm just saying in our case, there is a chance and I am also told that we had to learn off each other and there were things we had to learn off of the white fellas

1:04:41 And there's things the white fellas had to learn off us. Obviously, they've got to learn off us a spiritual part of the equation but there are things we had to learn too and also remembering that everyone has within them the same genes it is time that we started to realize that we have a commonality We've gotta do something together and let's not fight each other. We've been doing that for too long So yeah look I can also tell you that a lot of original people don't refer to Australia as Australia They refer to it as Moo Lemuria They have stories about these earlier civilizations falling apart. Their opinion has been three before, we've gone up and down this path quite a few times before and I got a suspicion this is going to be the biggest one of all. Yeah it's really hard to sort of work out where are we gonna go next for this but i can say one thing

1:05:29 that the original people believed the next two or three years are instrumental in deciding where each person's going to end up on this equation. They tell me that each person has got to make a decision about what side of the equation they sit on, and if they don't it's their mistake." Wow! So yeah look I'm not really sure... Yeah that's about all i can say on that Well it's gonna be an interesting two years. I guess people should be waiting for that window to open and be readying to know what they're gonna do Well, this has all been super fascinating and I think you've done a lot to add to our knowledge of the human story. And that's truly amazing before we really start wrapping this up. I'm curious if you could elaborate a little more on your relationship with the elders or how it's grown over time? Obviously, you're very respectful of their traditions and you've kind of talked about this a little bit but how do they feel about you sort of becoming

1:06:22 ambassador to the world? I mean do they actively want to re-educate the world or are they sort of indifferent, or private. Yeah now there's a lot that ring and i get phone calls probably twice a week from elders. I spoke with one today... two! Two yeah two today because they ring up and they talk to me for awhile we're not sure they want to find out what i'm on about And then, I'm going to tell you now there's some elders that can't stand me. But that's part of the deal anyway okay? But there are many many others that stand by me and most importantly my boss even though he is passed on everyone in the country knows Karno and they don't argue with him and the fact that i've got those rocks is known throughout the whole country There are some elders who aren't happy about it but most are Most of them don't want to touch it

1:07:14 I've got that right and I've earned that right. It's a gradual process but what I find is, when the time is right you all just get in contact with me and tell me more but don't chase people up they'll come when they want to so it's a gradual process But being given ceremony by Kano opens all our doors because it gives us the right. We have what's called Wiradjurian blackfella whitefella dreaming, that's what we have to preach and we have to talk about that constantly and the job I was given was to find whitefellas signs to validate the blackfella story. The elders know that's what we're doing

1:07:51 Some of them may not like me personally. I'm not sure that I like myself personally when it comes to that, so I have no issue with that but they do know what we're doing is for the betterment of the original culture." They're not arguing at point. So yeah, we are doing that and we continue doing that And I take all my cues from elders who give me information. And I'm pleased when I say, I got it wrong earlier some people say I should dot the i's and cross the T's. So I said bugger that! I'll just go straight ahead and dot them later. If I've gotta change them around, I will. And I made some mistakes not major ones but minor ones and I admit that's the case But the most important part was always told to get the story out as quickly as possible. And I still got my elder watching

1:08:32 I mean in eagle form and he's made that very clear. Hmm, no might go into that but it's been very clear No one would argue the point that he's being he's been there He's watching us so we have to keep doing this our job is to get it out And that's what we do Wow Anyway, which a two-share to that and how would you like to see your work impact the world? I mean of course your read writing The Human Story and that's important But what else would you like to see emerge from that that the listeners should probably know that people understand that what we have today is a facade and what we had long ago, many times was so much better. That's what I wanted to know and I want people to know that as a group humans can still change this place We can fix things up! I was around in the early late 70s sorry mid-70s and early 60s where humans did change things

1:09:31 We stopped the war in Vietnam because it was wrong and people did start to think differently. And what's happened over the last 20 years, particularly humans have been dumbed down. What I want is that when people start thinking again that's basically it. I wanted them to start thinking again and realize they have a right to change this world if its broken –and it IS broken– That's what we want! The original people wanted us...we'd want them to listen to the wisdom we had in the past and remind them That wisdom is still here and it won't go away, nor should it. And if it comes back we'll have something worthwhile to give our grandchildren and if it doesn't give up." That's the truth! Wow I love it man and you are just so knowledgeable and dedicated It is really admirable Would you like to remind the people about the book and the website? How they can follow-up or get involved in The Noble Mission here before we really close out

1:10:27 Thanks mate. Normally I get my son to do this stuff, but I've always never done this because I don't like reading stuff Look the book we've got called Out of Australia comes out through Hampton Road And it's the book we're pushing more than any other book because it's been picked up by American publisher and we do want This message to get our throughout the world The other two things I'd recommend people look at is our website which is called Forgotten Origin We did a webinar recently which had major problems, I've got to tell you because the communication system in Australia is appalling but we did get it up. What we're going to do every couple of months is drag in elders and maybe get people from overseas. We've got some people from overseas well known that are keen to be part of this

1:11:09 and you'll get to hear the elders tell their story, and it's called The Secret History of Australia. It's really the secret history of the world. The webinar is called It's All About Australia which is what it is but everything was about Australia as all around Australia so look at those things please because that's where we're getting that information out and anytime we find any new information... We don't hold for a book! We do put books out but we put the information out first Everything in our books there we have put out first. We don't believe in holding information as some people do so they can profit on it, yeah we want to make some money God Greg by all means we do need to make some money and please buy a book out of Australia but that book first of all all that information was given freely first then put into book form and if you want to pay some money so we give some back that would be great

1:11:59 But the whole purpose of this is to get the information out as quickly as possible, because ladies and gentlemen remember what the elders have told me to tell everyone is your time to make a decision is running out. Remember there's two ways to decide more or the same will change the whole thing only one of them right? Well said, man. And I really again do love the book. I think what you said a few moments ago about finding the white man's science to validate the black man story...I think that's a great way to say like what the book does and it's full of great information and great science and great discoveries and genetic data so it is awesome! Thanks again Steven, great talking with ya keep doing what you're doing and I guess we'll just brace ourselves for the road ahead

1:12:50 Won't we ever. And thanks so much Greg and thanks for the great questions, and thank you for reading the book it's really pleasant to spend two hours with someone who actually read the book and knew what were on about Thanks so much mate I really enjoyed it Good on ya You got it Alright man take care enjoy the rest of the day Thanks mate Hell of a show people there we go Steven Strong he's got the information He's got the passion and he's got jokes all the ingredients for the best tasting of higher side soups I really appreciate his work. One thing, I probably should have asked him but didn't get to would be if it's possible that a group of people might tend to over-inflate their personal importance in the human story But then again the genetic data and the ancient sites and hybrid hieroglyphs at least suggest there is something out of place in this story A big something! I still do love hearing about oral history and cosmology from isolated pockets of people

1:13:48 I think it needs to be filtered just a little bit, but it's gotta be way more on point than what the manipulative authorities try to suggest. So these are really fun and useful shows for me. And that story about The Elder disappearing right in front of a group of them? Wow! I don't know the next time I'll talk to Graham Hancock but I'll surely ask him about that. You know we did that one hour episode to promote the latest book he wrote and in that one he told us he'd come back for a full show, but it hasn't been a good time for him yet apparently. And I know he's a busy guy and i know there are 1000 podcasts now that are all considered equal

1:14:24 But either way, really interesting stuff. The genetic data gets a little over my head but I guess if we're really suggesting an origin that is from a mix of various alien races starting their own branches of humans then i guess it is going to be a bit all over the place? I don't know...I think most of that genetic data is always done with the assumption that we have a common ancestor and it seems like maybe we don't It's such a bold claim to say that aliens not only came here and genetically engineered us once, but several different beings came from different areas of the cosmos. And some of us are built to be highly evolved vessels for Pleiadian consciousness and some were built to be obedient workers for the minds of Africa

1:15:08 If you get into certain taboo material, there is a suggestion of similar things that gets quite racist. We talk about theosophy and its influence a lot but if I'm not mistaken at its deepest levels or some of it's branches It does talk about certain races being more evolved to understand and practice the esoteric arts while others just don't have it in them And that's a slippery slope But today we were really talking about indigenous Australians versus indigenous Africans But those motifs are definitely still involved. And I always kind of liked the thought that we were designed to be obedient workers, because so many of us do seem to be programmed to obey. Sure maybe it's schooling maybe it's just society but I'm sure a lot of us who follow a show like this can recognize that we seem to be just a little bit different than the masses right? Did the Pleiadians give us a rebellious streak or what

1:16:04 I guess we gotta speculate in those areas, but Steven did bring enough hard data to the table to know that we need to make some changes in history and I can't wait for that portal to open. Let me tell you! As always, we get by here by putting out the first hour for free and reserving the second hour of these interviews for paid supporters five bucks a month five shows a month In today's second half We got into information and story about the magic rocks that Steven has been tasked with being the custodian of How the Australian original's stories about their animals like the dingo and kangaroo, as well as their genetic data might tie into the theme of otherworldly origins. And probably my favorite part Stephen's plan to use what he has learned along with help from others in the magical rocks he has to open a publicly available portal on a sacred island that translates to gateway to heavens I will be planning a trip you can bet your ass on that

1:16:58 We talked about why the Egyptians have more right to set up an embassy in Australia than the British do, the history of Australia's colonial takeover how it differs from what happened with Columbus and America on how it affected the people of Tasmania. How ancient largely unknown sites in Australia compare and often dwarf the scale of more famous sites around the planet And a sad tale about the struggle with the Australian government to keep them from bulldozing through an ancient seven-step pyramid to make way for some stupid highway extension. All good stuff, so if you liked the first half it's literally twice as long like all of these shows are here...if you're willing to throw me a bone!

1:17:38 Definitely pick up his book. Thanks again to Mr Strong, I've done my part and i'll see you next time! Your move history book crafters human story alters and Pleiadian engineers of the Australian originals... your fucking move. Woke up this morning with light in my eye And then realized it was dark outside It was like coming down from the sky I don't know who Must be those strangers that come every night Whose saucers shaped light put people uptight Leave blue-green footprints that glow in the dark

1:18:44 I hope they get home Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along? I won't do anything wrong Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along the high side Woke up this morning was feeling quite weird

1:19:28 I had flies in my beard, my toothpaste was smeared. I opened my window they'd written my name said so long we'll see you up again Hey Mr. Spaceman won't you please take me along I won't do anything wrong Hey Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along the higher side? Mr. Spaceman, won't you please take me along? I won't do anything wrong Hey

1:20:36 Mr. Spaceman, won't you please take me along the high side? Won't you please take me along the high side?