Shamangineer | Mapping The Mind, The Alchemical Model, & Plasma Beings From Space

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01:28 Happy days are here again, Hiresight Chatters as we put the Mind Star on top of the podcast tree that is our long-running elemental series with Shamanjaneer. And I'm sure many of us have shared the sentiment that something is just not right with the way in which our modern system engages with the world around us... ...with all its destruction, combustion, pollution solutions rather than evoking harmony synergy and sustainability And it's a nice hippie-dippy sentiment to say that we should be better as a species, but until this Shemangineer series many of us didn't have better ideas to replace the problem causing practices of the oil oligarchs and the titans of industry that got us here.

02:08 But we covered air in our introductory conversation about the overarching aether theory, alchemy, ormis and the sonora arrow club showing suppressed examples of what might be possible if we embraced ether physics and adopted a more naturalist outlook and approach to energy & fuel. Then in round two we talked about the earth and the lost knowledge of the Native Americans, flipping the script on the story we've been told of primitive savages living off the land to a deeper understanding of their engineered abundance, land spirits and damn near magical ways to yield more from the earth by abiding by The Golden Ratio. Thirdly, we tackled water alchemy. Victor Schauberger and the overlooked properties of H2O how we can energize and positively charge water for better health in abundance rather than pumping dead fluoride filled fuel through lead pipes like we tend to do

02:59 And in our last conversation, we took a detour from the Alchemical series to dedicate a day to fascism and how those oily appendages of the nefarious few manipulate our mindset and politics to creep back into any system wise enough to try and root them out. But today folks, today is the culmination of a long-running thread that began back in July of 2016 and as it's progressed I have learned so much about alternative models bright minds and better practices that would be the crux of ether physics in the alchemical sciences if we were ever truly to break that quarantine. So here to tie it all together with his theory of the mind my friend and yours Shaman Janir my man welcome back to The Higher Side

03:41 Well, it's always a great intro. Man it's a mouthful just to cover where we've been but I really am in awe of this series. It's one of my favorite things that has happened on THC, so big thanks to you for bringing it all to us! I'm proud to provide the platform for at least a little contribution and today we're getting into your theory of the mind and sort-of the true fundamentals of reality...it's the thread that can kind of bring it all together and how do we kick this off? I know where were going and its gonna get pretty crazy but maybe a little overview of the mind to grease the wheels? Yeah, so most people when they think of the mind they think of the brain. That's basically what we've been told is that consciousness it's an epiphenomenon it's a byproduct of material interactions and chemical interactions within the brain And they do recognize you know there's electrical activity in there and things like that but basically it's like we're a bunch of robots

04:46 and we're operating off of genetic programming and outside stimuli to generate our consciousness. But the thing is that there are a lot of examples that poke enormous holes in that idea, and this is where the whole concept of reality starts to break down and I think that's one of the reasons why this stuff has been so suppressed is because the powers-that-be realize that if we Know who we are at a more fundamental level That our consciousness is not just something that sits in our heads But that were an integral part of a conscious reality That would completely break down The system of control that they have established

05:41 And that it would allow us to be able to get uncontrolled information from existence and reality itself. Yeah man the mind does unfold into a pretty deep rabbit hole of its own, I think you nailed it with why this is such a crucial component other big conspiracy we're gonna get in all the ways that things could be different But also wanted to ask you about the two hemispheres and just how distinct they really are cuz this will speak your point, about accessing uncontrolled information and to quote the forgotten mind essay that you sent me you wrote.

06:21 As far as I've been able to discern, there are four functional aspects of the mind that are responsible for our consciousness. There is the conscious aspect we're all familiar with, the subconscious aspect we often have difficulty in interpreting, the unconscious aspect which most of us simply react to and the sub-unconscious aspect which contains our essence In functional terms, the conscious mind is made up of male-serial and female-parallel aspects as is the unconscious mind. And this does come up in some of the supplemental material you sent me also, but maybe you could explain the different kinds of processing and where they correspond to for the uninitiated out there. We have serial parallel and even quantum processing and this is a pretty important aspect of The Big Picture isn't it? Yeah it's called The Unconscious Mind but really its more The Super Conscious Mind

07:23 It's just been characterized like that in psychology. So we have our conscious mind and then we have our unconscious mind, our conscious mind is made up of our left and right hemispheres of our brain. And the left hemisphere is more serial and the right hemisphere is more parallel. And then that pattern is mirrored in the unconscious mind as well or the superconscious mind whichever way you want to think about it. So to start with serial and parallel processing, serial processing is basically like what you think of decision making as in your conscious mind. You go down a path and you make some assumptions and then you test them out and might go down the wrong path and have to go back and correct some of your assumptions And that's kind of how most people think about thinking but

08:23 Basically, that's a very tortuous path and it's one that takes a lot of effort to make any real progress on. But there is also parallel processing and now we're seeing this actually in our computers where we have all these different dies on our computers And the information is being parallel processed which means basically its broken up into smaller packets And it just goes through this large matrix of computations that happen all at the same time. So, you know if you break things up and just have very simple operations done You can get through a lot more information quicker but at the cost of not being able to do these complex Operations like you can with pseudo processing

09:14 And then when it comes to quantum processing, so the whole thing with quantum processing is that you're essentially achieving a resonance with the correct answer in that way. And by doing so, you just pull the answer out of the substructure of reality and are able to then get the answer quickly but the thing is that you're only getting a very small aspect your realizations from this can be very vast and broad, but it has to be broken down by the other information processing methods in order for it to actually be digestible.

09:55 So if that makes sense yeah definitely and there is a real difference you can see in people you know it's pretty common to hear left handed person called out as your left hand you must be creative because in a certain sense we recognize there is a difference between people who are more. Left or right brain as they say but that is about his deep ass we take it sometimes yeah and there was a talk that was given by Dr jill bolted taylor called my stroke of insight and it's a really good illustration of this because she talks about she had a stroke and. The left hemisphere brain was being affected but right hemisphere wasn't as blood flow came and went

10:42 She would have moments where she was able to focus and try and call someone to tell them that you need help. And then like falling back into this really unfocused getting this garage of imagery and then i got a searchable focus again is your left hand came online for a moment so That's something where you can get a real feel for how this works on a consciousness level or an experiential level. Yeah, that was really interesting to hear that Ted talk where she's just describing as a brain doctor studying her own stroke and just seeing one hemisphere just completely kind of shut down and just living in the other one. And just being like yeah I can't differentiate my hand from anything like there is no separation. It was just really intense the details of her trying to dial a phone uh...to get help

11:43 Really fascinating, but it does give you a lot of insight into when one hemisphere is gone This is how just the other one in isolation operates so basically these are the two forms of processing and this is also mirrored in the Unconscious mind as well. So In the conscious mind its left and right hemisphere put on the unconscious mind It's basically your limbic system and your brainstem, which actually connects to all of your organs. Now the brain stem obviously is pulling all this information from all these different places so that is the parallel system and the limbic system because that's what actually releases hormones

12:31 Different neurotransmitters and that's the more male aspect. That's the one that's actually affecting the rest of your body and your organs, so That's where these two things start to come together And so the main two organs or well I'd say there's three main organs in the sub unconscious mind that connect up to the brainstem and and those would be the heart, the lungs and also the stomach. And the heart because it is a electromagnetic coupling for all these different organs and then also provides a pulsation through the body that acts as a entrainment system

13:16 for everything. And then the lungs are very important because they have a huge function in the release of DMT and things like that, but it's also where you're able to have conscious control over something that is normally unconscious so that provides a link between the conscious and the unconscious minds That's one reason why there is a lot of breathing techniques that are used in terms of meditation, because that is where you're able to get this entrainment. To be happening between the conscious and unconscious minds. Right on! Okay I was going actually have you elaborate on that because I had the quote written down, Breathing is the most important tool at our disposal for expanding our understanding of our minds and controlling its function." And it got me thinking about

14:04 Things michael grier said and the wind off breathing method exactly what you're talking about but this term. Oregon consciousness i've heard people somewhat talk about the circle around the idea, but i think that's fascinating to think that our organs themselves are conscious and have functions outside of the brain because that's not typically the way these things are thought about Well, actually all organs have a small neurotic bundle that are attached to them. A mini brain? A mini brain and like in the heart it's about the size of like a wasp spring but the stomach it has the same number neurons as a dog spring Wow! That's why when people say oh I feel at my gut thats your unconscious giving you a hint

15:00 some of the information it has from these more quantum interactions. Wow! And so, you know that's what that gut feeling actually is That's the most powerful expression of your unconscious mind that you can pick up on Interesting and also there's a lot of musculature associated with the gut as well So you can get that tension that builds up and that can be an expression with your unconscious state How's about we go into the multiple personality article? Yes, I was gonna ask you about that too. Because of course when we look at things on the edges, we can kind of get a better understanding

15:43 Certain material rather than looking at what's normal so of course in this case you look at multiple personality disorder or schizophrenia and they become pretty useful tools for kind of mapping out the edges of the mind. What does a multiple personality disorder say to you how do we fold that? So, at this point we've talked about information processing in my mind and you know I mean Obviously that still ties back to the other model that we're all told which is that we're basically robots. Kind of meat robots and that our mind is this epic phenomenon like software running on a computer but when you look at things like multiple personality and the effects that the mind can have on the body, they have different physiology for different personalities eyeglasses will change deafness

16:39 will change people's blood chemistry, their allergies. Scars and marks will appear and disappear. Eye color will change so there are all sorts of things that can happen on a physical level just as result of your mental state. And I think this shows that the mind is actually where the real action is and the brain is just a organ for its expression. It's not really the generative power of the mind Right to use that whole analogy that our brain is just a receiver for consciousness it's like the signal is the real meat the real juice the antenna is just up. Why are they gets the signal it's really not the crocs of the technology yeah it's like saying that dan rather lives in a box your living room yes and man it is just so crazy the physiological differences and multiple personality disorder

17:40 I guess i didn't really know that mean that movie split and the coming sequel glass if you just seen the trailer it is crazy they do show that stuff in one personality he's like a super human like super jacked, another personalities looks like a regular guy. Oh i haven't seen that yeah i haven't seen the movie split but i liked unbreakable it's all on the mix i mean whatever whatever but it seems like that movie goes into it I did read an article about M. Night Shyamalan and how he was off limits, blackballed by Hollywood for a while there. He went into some interesting territory in things like signs and all that for sure! Yeah

18:23 Right i will show we also talk about dean rayden of course people should be familiar with him from a previous episode but you sent me a presentation he gave on his direct consciousness double slit experiment which shows scientific proof that the mind does affect matter that intention has a real effect in the world. Dr. Radin's work is one of the major things this year that pushed me over the edge of, oh this magical thinking stuff is fun and interesting to more of a no, this is real! This is very provable and quite serious you should actually refine yourself to be better at it manifestation and all that but I guess can you talk to us about that study? And how it folds into the theory of the mind overall well there has been a lot of double-slit experiments that have been done

19:13 There's even one that has different paths the light can take and it shows that even after something has happened, the past can be changed based off of a sequence further down and whether something is observed or not. So it's very interesting and there are a lot of permutations of it but in his discussion about it he basically talks about the fact that observation and specifically what they call, I can't remember what exactly the term was but basically it's a mind or an extra-dimensional quality that needed to be present in the experiment like an observer. A plant or animal or person some sort of living thing

20:02 that would be in this detection network for the experiment to actually work properly. And that's something that was actually at the foundation of quantum theory from the beginning, all the original quantum theorists talked about this and the actual reason why quantum theory started to come about is because They were doing plasma experiments and they noticed that their consciousness had an effect on the plasma. And so, that's where this stuff actually started So that's how all this kind of theory actually came about. But when you talk to people about quantum physics, they want to use it to build computers and they want to use it to make things like quantum dots and new nanomaterials but when it comes down to the ramifications and especially the history of that theory with regard to consciousness itself they don't wanna talk about it

20:59 So it's something that is repressed in science but is an integral part of science. And that's something I think needs to be resolved. Right, It's really like another parallel to psychedelics we've talked about this stuff before and might even come up further down the road today but anything that leads you to an awakening How's you buying last products by an end of consumerism last spine into the authority less and feeling like this, one life might not be all you have any of those kind of thoughts there are quarantined in this would be another example of it just learning about the mind itself.

21:40 From this angle can lead you to the same places you might be led if u studied psychedelics or meditation even i mean that was another thing with dean radin's experiment is that yes conscious attention was shown that it can collapse the wave into a particle at a measurably higher rate than chance. But he saw higher rates even still with meditators then on meditators which is interesting and I mean i don't wanna get too fundamental and ask the same one on one questions here but i guess i would ask you about meditation it's such a huge component what is that actually do does it recalibrate us as it like running windows defragment or so if u read that cia document about the gateway process.

22:27 It talks about the holographic nature of reality and it talks about entrainment of hemispheres together and being able to use that to go down different levels of consciousness. And one thing I thought was really interesting is it talks about blinking in and out of reality, and by focusing your consciousness into the part of reality that extends beyond time you can get Going into the past and going future things like that your mind yeah. That document was crazy just for context for people it was a nineteen eighty three cia document approved for release twenty years later in two thousand three they're analyzing them in row institutes gateway process but yeah like you said they talk about so much more the cosmic egg time travel several forms of altered states and manifestation

23:23 It's interesting you mention that kind of flicker aspect because I did have a previous guest who thought he mathematically figured out the flicker of the universe but, I don't know it just ties into a lot of strange threads from this year. Yeah i agree that's a very important document because it shows that CIA and deep state or whatever you want to call it had knowledge of this stuff for quite awhile And obviously here's somebody, I can't remember. I think it was like six months or something he spent researching all this for the CIA to determine what he wrote in there and if that's all it takes is a guy and some money to let him do six months worth of research to kind of decode all this? Yeah, I mean, I've learned about all this stuff on my own you know in my spare time and it took me longer but somebody with the resources can do it in 6 months.

24:22 This is something that really needs to be out there but it's not and. No why is that because what was talking about before they don't want people to realize that we can do better as long as you keep thinking, that our reality is just a product material things we need to. Get our piece of the pie before it's all gone and race down the gutter you know obviously that's not winning solution but they're doing that for control i think it also has to do with consciousness what they know from the past will get into that more

25:05 with regard to how I think consciousness is changing. i guess intention science for lack of a better term is pretty amazing stuff they tend to show the effect is pretty subtle but definitely measurable and that's without training or growing up with the view that all this stuff as possible like you were just saying, i'm sure it could be much more effective if we promoted this worldview from birth And Gordon White has sort of taken this to the next level with his premium members by scheduling intention sessions. And I also received Mitch Horowitz's new book from his publisher, and I haven't booked him just yet because we've been pretty magic heavy lately and he was just on Rune Soup but his book is called The Miracle Club and he basically says look if this works and it does

25:56 let's pull together and focus our energy at the same time each day thus a club for making miracles. And it's that sort of experimentation that i think is really gonna take this work further fold in the previous episodes we've done about water and about engineering abundance it would be crazy the kind of world we could create and just thinking that maybe the ancients had something like this The picture gets clear the more of this material i get into that you give to me and it's just crazy what that world could have been like. Yeah nothing really that's what its all about is keeping us at this level where we don't think about stuff. Fundamentally that's what keeps us from being able to live in that world,

26:46 So that's why I think that this is probably the most important podcast i'm getting to. I love it because without changing your mind and what you think is possible and actually trying to go out there and achieve it, you'll never will failure is primarily the result of a lack of imagination So let's go ahead and we'll talk a bit about consciousness and the quantum biology of microtubules. Sure! That Stuart Hameroff theory, basically what Stuart Hameroff discusses is the idea that microtubules in your cells

27:26 have interactions at a quantum level and whatever we talk about want to i just wanna say that i wrote that forgotten mind essay right as i was starting. Do you look into alchemy and stuff like that So it leverages a lot of quantum biology. Really the quantum, the way I look at it is basically getting into the etheric without saying what the etheric is you know its kind of surface level measurement of etheric effects. That's the way I look at the quantum science so basically what quantum biology is that's kinda our etheric tie into this larger reality. So that happens at a cellular level

28:10 And because it happens at a cellular level, you get very basic information from it typically. And it needs to be filtered through your subconscious and your conscious mind in order to really grasp what the message was so that's part of the reason why I think there is lot of people who go into trance states and get visions or people who have some sort of psychedelic experience let it kind of unravel in their mind for a period of days or weeks to really get an understanding what they've experienced. So, what Dr. Hameroff is discussing is basically this connection between our cells and the substructure reality so that's the main thing that I want to talk about here is that's what feeds into your organs

29:02 And all of your body and then that gets sent up through your mind by the limbic system working with the rest of your brain that is what kind comes into your consciousness it's filtered for your subconscious. which has all these overlays that have been built up in it for programming, indoctrination and whether it's done by you or whether it's done by your family or your church or the media. That's one of the reasons why there are all these messages embedded in all these different religions

29:40 and they have times but there are interpreted a bit different because i don't know who's different cultural. And personal filter before it is able to pass the house that makes sense yeah it does i mean its deep stuff and i am an idiot but these micro two bills i guess When that presentation when i was watching that presentation he says something to the effect of. Consciousness is more like a song than a computation and thought that was nice sentiment and he plays the sound of the vibration going on in our micro tubules and it was weird invoked a strange feeling man it's like i don't know if i'm supposed to hear that but like,

30:25 You know you read home yeah it was a little weird but i guess if we're gonna use a computer analogy for simple things like me should we think of the micro two bills is like the wiring that consciousness. Is using to be delivered throughout our body like the way wiring every computer u would be like the antenna, Okay it is the antenna instead of just simplistically saying the brain we would say what he's actually measuring on there so there's computations being done on my computer. That's how we establish this is a quantum connection so there is some information processing that started at.

31:03 Interesting. And this was also a component, but what is the connection between the microtubules and ultrasound? I had a previous guest who was very anti-ultrasound she thought it was pretty harmful to unborn babies and produced radiation...I don't know but he talks about a control group of mice who they were administering a drug and one control group got no drug and they only got ultrasound and it cured their cancer Yeah, I don't know about that. That's wild! Well so you gotta realize ultrasound is basically vibrations This is just kind of my off-the-cuff analysis but it's essentially vibrations and there's a frequency associated with those vibrations So if you modulate it properly could potentially

31:53 You know, kind of like I think we've talked about Rife systems before. Yes! So if it's dealing with cancer it could potentially destroy the cancer cells by tuning to the specific cancer frequency and being able to disrupt them and have a flush from body after that And that's what Rife was doing with viruses and specifically the cancer virus itself. So they could have also tapped into disrupting the ecology of cancer in the body, so that's another possibility but yeah I mean there are also genetic changes or things like that can potentially happen from something like that. If you have a wrong frequency it could damage your DNA by breaking apart specific areas

32:40 So I don't think that ultrasound is something that's really safe and i heard that episode you know i think it's tragedy what's going on basically for everything we have in terms of material technology there. a allegory in terms of this more spiritual or implosion rather than explosion based, or whatever you want to call it types of technology. So there's things that could be done but it's not accepted science today Right and it's crazy how simple so many of these things seem to be light therapy sound therapy. I mean this isn't Super complex or invasive stuff, and it's basically free terms with tools They're very basic but the understanding going into Wielding those tools has to be a lot deeper right right? And so like we have tools that are very complex and

33:39 but the understanding that's needed to wield them is a more simple level. Funny how that is! Another, I guess it's more of a paper that I sent you was Heart Brain and Spirit by Dr. Muhammad Omar Salem Yes And that spoke a bit about the heart and also the interaction between organs You know somebody has a heart transplant they can actually get memories from the person who donated their heart. And same with other organs, people will get aspects of their personality or memories associated with the person who died and that's some proof right there that all this stuff I've been talking about

34:24 And there's one way to look at that where people would say, oh well that must mean memories are literally stored in that organ. But I guess what a better way of thinking about it be that that's just the fractal nature? That all the little components contain at least a piece of the whole? Well if you think about quantum theory and the idea of entanglement then the person receiving the organs becoming entangled with that other person at a quantum level that organ, it definitely has a tie to that other person as well. So if you think about the microtubules being like antennas its still pulling in this information from that other energy field as well. That's wild!

35:09 Yeah it is let me ask you this this is kind of a random question but do we know where memory is stored its touched on some of the things you sent me but. I just wonder why something like chronic cannabis use would have such an effect on memory and then i know what's getting into those other realms but there's definitely a connection there So I would say that there's kind of two repositories of memory. There is one encoded in proteins, and I believe Stuart Amoroff talks about that but there is also kinda the energetic component as well because another thing that Stuart Amoroff discusses is the fact he believes we are capable forming memory outside our bodies so that can't be purely chemical as well

36:03 So that is dealing more with the energetic aspect. I would say it's kind of both, but another thing about The Mind there is a book called Holographic Universe that was written in the late 90s and it discusses how there have been experiments done on rats where portions of the brain were removed. They got to the point where they chopped these poor rats up to the point where they could barely move, and like right before they could barely move, they could still run the maze! This is a rat with 10% of its brain left that's still able to run the maze

36:43 So that brings up the whole aspect of holographic memory and getting into the whole aspect of this CAA document regarding the holographic nature of memory in reality. That may not be as clean an answer most people would want, but that's what I've got Hey it is what it is. It seems like memory is somewhere else maybe cannabis tends to gunk up those works the other thing is that steward amiroff is an anesthesiologist and so he deals with that aspect of being completely unconscious unaware of what's going on around you not recording any memory at least in the body at the time

37:30 And it could be that, you know, memory has this kind of resonance quality to it where you're actually drawing upon something else. That's kinda interesting because I've heard the term state-specific memory and then I've heard people say if you lose something when you're high or drunk And then you're sober mind you can't figure it out if u hit you get drunk or high again, you might get back like literally state specific memory or even the fact that if you get high let's say when i went to amsterdam even though i have a high tolerance i'm gonna get higher because even geographically there is a difference in surroundings so weird theory but i mean its kind of in this cake.

38:14 the morphic field of the pot cloud. There's something to it, there is something to it! Yeah I mean that can happen and I think there are two classes of ghost encounters or spirit encounters one is basically where people are encountering a disembodied spirit but then another one is where there has been an imprint of consciousness that's been made on an otherwise inanimate object. And that is replayed, that feeling or whatever happened that caused that imprint, that psychic negative to be implanted in that material then it'll just kind of play it out over and over again. I think some haunting ghost encounters are based off something like

39:04 where just another consciousness comes in and kind of replays that. But then there's also where it's actually a disembodied entity, you know? It's kind of like UFO encounters and things like that I think that there are deep state programs, there are potentially people from other planets or the interior of Earth but then there is also entities living in our atmosphere that might be plasma based and there's interdimensional entities, there's all sorts of things that it can be. You know I don't think that we need to limit ourselves to saying you know well i believe in sasquatch but you're talking about fairies so you're way off my radar or like okay i'll talk to you about

39:52 interdimensional consciousness, but giants are a bridge too far. Well I know we're gonna get deeper into the idea of plasma beings but god this is just a mind-blowing idea with some of the stuff that We had both been digesting recently because I went to contact in the desert and they give you the night vision goggles and you look up in the sky and you see all kinds of movement and I don't know i guess it didn't have a box to put that in our just like yeah that's interesting i mean its not like i'm seeing, craft necessarily but im seen something out there that aren't stars and they're moving all over the place.

40:32 And then you know i think about guess i've had like gordon who have made mention that. Space is probably more water like me even paul of your left talked about that mean if either is kind of light, water maybe space instead of a vacuum should be thought out as a medium in which life can actually exist and then you showed me some of these Clips of entities moving around in the sky that look like. Amoebas they just look like amoebas and the theory is that maybe, Plasma was the first thing to gain consciousness maybe these beans that i don't have necessarily a humanoid form are vastly super intelligent and ancient they almost sound like lovecraft's old ones to agree like maybe these are the fundamental life forces and may be there.

41:25 Maybe were protected by our atmosphere but it's certain periods they come in and feed on the energy in here it gets deep but. I think that there is a real case to be made that life is quite strange and there some super intelligent things that don't necessarily have humanoid form we tend to think there's a hierarchy and that humanoid form is gonna be the most intelligent but these things seem to be completely foreign, only visible sometimes trans lucent and transparent at other times and maybe they can manifest to look like a craft and maybe they do kind of help our earth and work with it is crazy but i'm way past gray aliens this point yeah well one thing about what you're talking about which trevor james constable calls the sky critters. What are the big things that you'll notice when people are observing

42:18 NASA footage is they keep showing these halos or dots moving across the screen and you know a lot of people just say oh well that's just dust with sunlight reflecting off of it so it looks bigger. But there's actually that footage that you saw from trevor james constable of the other, And that's a very good example of these things because you can actually see them going in front of the tether. So, that gives you a relative scale for how big these things are and so the ones they were showing in that ranged anywhere from football field or two all the way up to like half-a-mile mile. Yeah! These are big entities if they're up there

43:06 And it seems like they are. And you know, I mean, Trevor James Constable, like you're saying about infrared vision goggles, he started taking pictures of these things, I think was back in the 60s with infrared and ultraviolet film. And I think he actually found some specific formulations of that. I mean, you know, back then, film was the big thing. So there were all these different formulations people coming up with for better color enhancement. Right? And so the one that he found had specific frequency peaks in the ultraviolet infrared range. And so by using that film, he was able to pick these things up best because that's where these things are able to be seen. We can't see it in our visual spectrum that we have with our eyes but at these edges is where they can be seen

43:56 And with this context we've been talking about today of this quantum realm or an ethereal realm, or this flicker. Once you have that context for a model, is it so weird to think that there's beings that can alter their density or jump from one side of the flicker to the other? It's not. To me it's seeming way more reasonable and when people see paranormal entities or crafts that just kind of disappear maybe they can control that to a degree. It's crazy and this model of space I mean I'm starting to feel like we

44:33 We live on a rock inside an air bubble in a cosmic ocean with ocean like creatures floating around out there. It's like all just a matter of scale it really is kinda like you look in the ocean at these amoeba-like things and then you look in the sky at the things he was capturing they looked very similar maybe as above so below Yeah, I mean the big thing with these sky critters is you know it's evidence that there is a lot more out there than we know about. The other thing it speaks to is that what they're using for their propulsion is a fundamental aspect of our reality at some level

45:19 So why would just us use it or just these aliens use it? Why wouldn't natural creatures that can leverage this energy and this ability to create this bubble of reality for the purposes of traveling between places, why wouldn't natural creatures do that as well. And there be something that can exploit this feature reality right Wow man well obviously this is a whole lot of stuff all fascinating as we're trying to wrap it up is there anything more to say and relation to previous episodes are higher theory the mind relates too. The different elemental alchemy shows that we've done in the series or what we might do in the future

46:11 Well, definitely for sure in the future my next talk is going to be the fire episode. That will definitely tie in with the sun and changes that are going on and things like that but also alchemy because they talk about the hidden fire or the alchemist's fire and that's basically where they're using their bioplasma to affect the experiments or transformations that we've done So I think we've got that to look forward to. I mean, obviously, I could go back and try to think of all sorts of different connections together episodes. But you know, we've talked about torsion and how that works but i think that's really the way that things are transmitted at a quantum level. And, you know, we talked about how quantum theory is just kind of a surface level there's this whole other science going on behind that

47:12 That basically leads us to have these observations at the observable. Yeah, man! These really could be reality's biggest secrets and it's just been so much fun people can obviously engage with you on the PLUS site and the forum is there anything else to say about maybe contact information or what you might want people to check out? Well, you've got a lot of links that I have given you about different topics. So feel free to forward those on. They'll be in the show notes. It's about it always a pleasure and something else I do like to ask you just because you did emerge as a plus member of the podcast How do you feel about THC this past year? So am I losing it Do I still got it Oh definitely! I was really excited when you said you were going to be going a bit more down the consciousness rabbit hole

48:08 and getting into those sorts of topics. And I knew I was gonna be having the mind episode, it just took us a while to get around to it because various reasons but you know, I think that we've covered a lot and you've covered a lot that leads up to this, I think as well so I think it was fortuitous the path you've taken. You know, I know some people aren't necessarily down with a lot of the more consciousness-related or the more etheric sort of topics. But I would hope that this episode would help them to kind of come to terms with a way that they can understand these sorts of ideas and how it relates to their more existential reality, and how they can think about it on their own.

49:03 Yeah i mean this is conspiracy in a sense this is a great bridge to well if they've had us doing all the stuff and negative ways, We can bitch about that all day and raise our fists in the sky, but what is the better way to do things? Like if we don't have that component we can't move forward. So that is kind of my mindset with going into something like permaculture it's kinda crazy man because I've talked to a few potential guests like I mentioned Don Nance. I hope Don listens to this and I'd love to hear

49:41 an episode with him i hope so too but some of these guys not naming any names in particular but they look at my previous content or how the show is framed and they're like I don't fit with your show and im like no no no, I swear that you do because you are giving us the alternative models. It's a little bit of a tough thing to cast an umbrella that everyone is comfortable with, but here we are and I'm looking forward to the future. So thanks again man really deep stuff you're bright mind in troubled times take care yourself well you know i just hope that I am bright enough to light the way for people cheers thank you for your platform

50:28 Alright, alright dear listeners the long-awaited return of Shaman Jannir not selling you nothing just doing it for the love of the game breaking down his theories of the mind and a whole lot more and if You took a shot for every time I said maybe in this show. You definitely wouldn't be going to work in the morning Jesus And these episodes are always a little different preparation wise. I'm absolutely more comfortable when I'm interviewing someone about their book, it's just a very simple ABC process and these episodes are formed more by Shemange sending me along list of resources that when all compiled together work as the building blocks for you to understand how he sees things in one area or another

51:19 Not a bad thing at all, just a little bit different in terms of how I prepare to do my hosting duties should we say. And then these episodes themselves act as larger chunks that can be combined for an even wider overview or to think about it from the top down rather than the bottom up It's really like he knows a lot about this suppressed largely ignored ether physics alchemical nature based model of the world And because it is so much information, we've broken it down by element. And that's really smart right? Because if this model IS the real deal... We should be able to see how this view incorporates each element By looking at these sort of fringe researchers, by looking at sagas of the past like The Sonora Arrow Club and say well see This could be real If we look at the sciences through this other lens

52:15 or here's how this lens would be applied to water, or earth etc. In a lot of ways you gotta wipe the slate clean on certain things and then we rebuild the model with better resources ones that as we said have been marginalized but I do get a little self-conscious with these episodes with Shemangineer when i put on my producer hat and it's always in the back of my mind but I'm trying really hard to avoid this natural tendency for two people to say Oh well did you see this part? Oh yeah dude that part was awesome. Or did you read this, oh yeah that was mind-blowing." You know I try to be careful that we're not just talking over the audience's head about a collection of material they don't have context for it's like your sitting with two people that are discussing a movie that you haven't seen i dont know maybe its not that different from a book you haven't read but it feels a little different because were pulling from so many different sources

53:14 Again, you know not the end of the world. It's just a little bit different But what can I really do because to my knowledge? The book that pulls all this together does not exist I really really hope that he writes it but right now This is probably the best way To put these threads together This might be the best culmination this series That exists and I really do feel like we're doing something quite special here I mean, I can say that because it's 90-10 him. But it's something like this that I'm really honored to be a part of because it does take a lot of these pieces to craft this alternative view. The conventional models are pretty persistent and it's easy to get sucked back into their way of thinking but if there wasn't anything to this suppressed perspective you wouldn't expect us to have this level of detail

54:13 or this huge abody of information, or so many different disconnected researchers past and present that all complement each other within the alchemy-ether physics paradigm. Wilhelm Reich, Victor Schauberger T Townsend Brown Don Nance Gerald Pollack All these guys they all have their own piece of the alchemical elephant And I've said this a lot, but on this conspiratorial journey each episode is always going to drop us off at a different point on the map. That's the nature of interviewing a bunch of different people that are at a bunch of different levels of understanding What i'm hoping the audience can do is regardless of what a person might say about our wider viewpoints... ...I hope you can understand what it is about their work that I think is worth

55:04 Amplify and then obviously bringing back into the wider picture what we've been doing for years, add this year's cuz i've been in this game for a while and while it is nice to have a constant reminder of how we've been screwed in various areas and carefully crafted world view has been woven into society that affects almost all areas of life. That schools are doing the best they can, that medicine should be based on petrochemicals rather than nature. That leaders care about their people, that NASA doesn't have undisclosed agendas, that the FDA and AMA and all these three-letter agencies are protecting the people's well being in their current form

55:44 that war isn't just a money-making cull, that geoengineering isn't going on all around us. That we aren't all just victims of the money spell and the economic nightmare that runs our lives isn't just some deep rooted scam... All this stuff! And I didn't even mention aliens or magic Obviously these are all components of well, I guess the higher side worldview Higher side hypothesis sounds better but my whole point is that were well past a hypothesis at this point And while it will always be in the mix, I want to slightly recalibrate to get past the we've been sold falsehoods shaking our fists in the air and more into okay. I get that well what has been hidden? How deep can we get into it and that actually might be a more dangerous area even though It doesn't sound nearly as provocative and obviously that well What's Been Hidden attitude is the driving force behind all the magic shows lately

56:47 But there are many doors to be opened and Shamanjaneer has done so much for us in that regard. In fact, I know i say this preparation process is a bit harder for me than a typical one but on the plus side we get so many resources in these episodes that I could do a lot of follow-up and I do try! The problem is that these can be really tough nuts to crack A lot of them aren't even looking for publicity And even though I like to do all sorts of shows, it doesn't help when i ask a serious scientist to be my next guest and they check out the website and see we all died in 2012 or the history hoax. Or any number of things that might rub them the wrong way and wonder if they're in the right place So I am seeing some...

57:35 Invitations declined from people in these areas and I'm trying to better time my requests and take into account which shows they'll be seen when they do check out the site. In today's episode we talked a lot about this thread on the PLOS forum, and this Susan Joy Renison interview And I digested a lot more of her work in this past week and tried to get her to come on but she said that she's kind-of out the game, hasn't updated her site in awhile. Just isn't that interested? And I get all that but even with a three year old site she still hidden a lot of powerful points aren't getting out there very much and I'd really love to see reconsider what I understand. It is these alchemical science areas we need to get into

58:24 And it's with a lot of these scientists that I would like to gain a bit more favor. Maybe listeners can help me out there, I don't know... It's just that we don't have to convince Nick Redfern or Jordan Maxwell that THC is a complimentary audience! We need to convince the rebel academics that this is a serious place and I don't so much care if they believe in conspiracy I just want to understand and present their work to the audience, and we can fold it in ourselves. Yeah, I'm always going to ask a question or two—what do you think the implications of this are? And they might hem and haw because they don't really want to get into that dramatic conspiracy association. I can't blame them! But again that isn't their role. That can be a certain subtext where we read between the lines

59:16 I'm sure you get it. I'm just trying to say that i have to put some thought into how and when I approach these people, and I have to accept that because I use the term conspiracy and I choose to brand myself with a weed theme then I might have created some unnecessary roadblocks And to bring it all back thankfully we have people like Shemangineer who has his finger on the pulse and can summarize things for us I talked in the intro like this was the culmination or the grand finale of everything, even though we haven't done the fire episode yet. But it is the mind and overall reality model that does tie everything together and we went to some weird places for sure! Do check out the resources we covered they'll be in the show notes Trevor James Constable in particular

1:00:07 I think that's fascinating stuff and also the best video demonstration of a real make it rain organ accumulator device that i have seen. Which brings me to another point kind of is, I am in the mindset that I'm ready to get out in the field and check out some of this stuff. I'm kinda sick of talking about it. I've got the time...I've got the resources if you are out there quietly tinkering away on some secret science and you're willing to show me these things firsthand, I'd love to come take a look. We can keep you anonymous we can maybe do an interview with some fake name or something but that's not even super important as long as i can say...I've had someone who's shown me that so I know it's real just throwing that out there But either way if you liked the first hour maybe it's time for you to dive into a plus membership. We don't reference The Forum very much And it does need some moderation actually

1:01:04 But I bought and pay ongoing for this really nice and robust forum platform. And if you sign up for THC Plus, your membership to that forum is forever! I mention it because it was a part of today's show and it is a great resource for follow-up material and higher side centric conversation within a closed loop so you avoid spam and trolls and all that...for the most part And it is true that for about a year I've had way too many guests on my list than i can even get to and more stuff's always popping up. But my first place I go when I am in need, Is the plus forum guest request thread so keep that in mind too It's a lot better than emailing me if you were to post an overview and some videos and links on that thread because I will see it eventually

1:01:57 and it won't get just destroyed in the avalanche that is my inbox. But since I am talking about the forum, if you have experience moderating a Zen 4.0 Forum and you'd like to be an active moderator for me in exchange for a plus membership email me and we'll talk about it Of course, now that I've said that, I expect about a dozen or so emails. So please tell me about your past experience and assure me that I can count on you to be somewhat active in there because that is important but as for today's show in the extra hour for plus people we talked about space weather, that Netflix movie Bird Box, mercury-blooded plasma beans Don Nance and The Coming M State of Everything God! I thought that was interesting

1:02:48 We also talked about a little book called Summer with the Leprechauns and all that it contains, the role of elementals in this reality. The effects of electronics on consciousness, the 5G jamming signal DNA and light And a whole lot more so don't sell yourself short I give out a ton of commercial free content and i hope to entice you to dive into hearing the whole deal at thehiresidechatsplus.com But I guess that does it for me guys. Thanks a lot for listening and trusting me to bring you the good stuff week after week, I'm gonna keep trying and i'll see ya then! Your move sorcerers of the sciences spellcrafters of the materialist mindset and quarantiners of the ethereal solutions... You're fuckin'... You'll see god damn this plan spraying

1:03:56 Don't you know they control the chemicals that they spread? It go, it gone I think, I sink and I die! Don't ya know they control the chemicals that they spread And we're sedated Fall into them!

1:05:09 Don't you know they control the bubbles and we're sedated? It's falling to the floor, it blocks the sun. you