Shamangineer | Earth Alchemy, Plant Spirits, & Engineered Abundance

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00:43 Alright, Hiresite Chatters. You might remember not long ago we had a chat with Shaman Janir, a Plus member who contacted me about several scientific loose ends with previous THC guests that he felt he could tie together with the deep explanation of Ether Theory We talked a lot about alchemy, the expanding Hollow Earth, the Electric Universe, the Sonora Arrow Club and a whole lot more in a Hireside episode that people seemed to thoroughly enjoy. But we also left a lot on the table in that conversation so I figured it was time to bring them back! In fact, we've decided to do a little elemental series of chats and since our last one was largely about Ormus space and airships We'll refer to it as the Air episode. And today we're going to discuss ether in relationship to Earth by getting deep into the state of Shemangineered abundance and the advanced permaculture practices that the Native Americans had cultivated because labels like hunter-gatherers just don't do them justice

01:38 But we're also going to talk about healing plants, the role of the Great Spirit, their animist outlook and the fact that you don't need a huge over-the-top harp antenna array when you got your rain dance down. There's a lot left unknown about America before the colonialists arrived and a lot that could help us today if we stop to realize the Western way isn't the only way. A man who's worked for over a decade in high-level industries such as robotics, chemical systems and alternative energy and has been researching weird related threads even longer in our second conversation as we work through the powers of the Captain Planet team. My friend and yours, Shemangineer welcome back to THC. Captain Planet, he is our hero! Digging deep on that reference

02:23 Yeah. So I'm pumped, man! I think this is going to be awesome you bring up some interesting ideas i don't hear about nearly enough from the big names in alternative research and you're so great about actually having sources that strengthen the various cases you come here to make...so I am all about it and I suppose the best entry point here is the state that the Europeans found America in when they got here It's quite different than someone might expect But I'm also curious how this became of interest to you when so many people just take it for granted that things were largely the same without the buildings. So maybe tell us how this subject got on your radar and how we should start to reframe pre-colonialist America?

03:03 Well, growing up I was always drawn to Native American outlook. This is a silly thing but you know as part of the YMCA Indian guides as a kid. All right. So I got introduced a little bit to Native American culture there and actually met a few Native Americans through it But you know, making a best set of vinyl isn't quite the same as tanning and stuff like that. Actually that's kind of a good analogy to what our land practices in terms of conservation and preservation are on the national parks because it's kind of an imitation to some degree

03:49 For so long things were so suppressed that as practices are kind of being introduced it isn't really the full on cultivation landscape used to be. When did americans doing it so the way that the parks are managed it hasn't produced the same landscape that was here when the Europeans arrived. It's actually a very different landscape, it's choked with underbrush that's all dead and things like that there's there's a lot of nutrients and energy that's bound up in that material right so if that had been released periodically through burning it would have resulted into much more verdant landscape

04:34 I've heard people talk about that is exactly why California has these huge wildfire problems, because there is a process there that we typically kind of nerf and then it just when it actually does flare up. It's like having it on steroids. That's basically yeah. The thing is that the way the wildfire system is managed today is suppression Primarily there's there's a few controlled burns here and there but it isn't it isn't mainly control burns It's its mainly suppression. And when you do that, you end up locking up a lot of the nutrients in the landscape So I mean even without all the other things that we've done to damage our landscape and damage our wildlife Just the fact that we we haven't allowed it to be in its most abundant configuration

05:28 means that there's a lot of life that just can't reach above a certain threshold and we're seeing a lot of different forms of life being choked out because of it. Hmm, I mean yeah That's really interesting because i've kind of thought of the national parks is almost like more of a history museum Like oh this is how It looked or our best glimpse at how it looked before the western civilization took over but I guess give us a little more about the actual conditions when the colonialists did arrive. What were the Native Americans doing to actually engineer abundance and how different did it really look? Well, you might want to edit around this a bit because i'm gonna read a few passages Absolutely Okay

06:14 Early European explorers and settlers were universally impressed not just by California's diversity but also the sheer abundance of its wildlife. Jean-Francisco de Galoup, Comte de la Preusse a French seafarer described California in 1786 as the land of inexpressible fertility. Inexpressible fertility that's a great term I gotta say Here, I'll go with another example. So Thomas Jefferson Mayfield a white man who came to live with the Choynumi Yokuts in the San Joaquin Valley in 1850s when just a boy vividly described this overflowing abundance of wildlife thousands of band-tailed pigeons came and flights that would sometimes shut out the sun like a cloud they piled into nearest trees where there was not a single place for another pigeon to sit so I mean

07:05 We don't see anything like that today the rivers and streams i mean they just aren't as abundant as they used to be all sorts of natural sources water springs have dried up. And a lot of that has to do with the way that we manage the landscape just overall, shutting out the land from being able to absorb water with our concrete and asphalt everywhere and things like that. I mean what we call water management is really just basically turning it into effluent and then just dumping that out to sea. Even when we do recover

07:46 things from it and we do treat it in terms of its energetics, the water's lost a lot. It may be chemically fit for consumption but in terms of the water structure and things like that, it's not the same thing as it was Mm-hmm. And even the fit for consumption thing is debatable because of fluoride and pharmaceuticals and rusty pipes and fracking, but I know what you're saying about the energetic properties of water. I'm sure we'll talk about that in a future Water Focused episode but you've sent me several videos of people who've understood these properties and built devices to maximize the energetic properties of water with vortexes

08:27 Really cool stuff. But I guess the larger point here is that we think of ourselves as so modern and advanced, but yet when it comes to understanding resources and how to get the most out of them were just wildly inefficient. We have a beat-it into submission kind of approach and it seems that our way is actually less technical and less advance than when it was all just left to the quote unquote savages Yeah, I mean the work of Victor Schauberger shows distinctly that the natural water course has an effect on water quality. And I think that a lot of his water management principles should be integrated into forestry management and things like that. It is being done in places like Switzerland actually. Well at least someone's on it!

09:18 But I like that idea that nature is doing something to the water, that when you dam it up or reroute it or stockpile in silos It just isn't the same. Maybe there's something to that but to get back to just general abundance In preparation for this I watched some documentaries on pre-western settlers America and Pretty mind-blowing stuff. Just like you said, there were descriptions of flocks of birds so big they blocked out the sun One report said they could see them flying at times from horizon to horizon And my favorite line here was that a squirrel could travel from the east coast to the Mississippi River without touching the ground because the trees were just so plentiful and

10:03 Wow, man. I mean that is a pretty radical thought when you see the world we have today Yeah here's a really good example of that Salmon ran up the major river and creek from what is now Smith River on the north of the Camel River on the south swimming against The current to return near where they were born 31 coast and Central Valley rivers in hundreds of lesser creeks carried the lifeblood of millions upon millions of salmon and provided 6,000 miles of spawning habitat We have nothing close to that today. Joaquin Miller described the head of the Sacramento as a silver sheep because the salmon were so abundant, he had seen this stream so filled with salmon that it was impossible to force a horse across the current. A white man stated in the early 1900s you could load wagons with salmon and they got stalled on the Mad River. As little slows near Arcata, you could get salmon with pitchforks and fork them onto the bank." So I mean

11:01 Just when the Europeans arrived they were looking at this and they saw it, and they actually described these divine gardeners who had cultivated the landscape thinking that, oh well this was just placed here by God for our manifest destiny and all this stuff. Right it really does tie into that doesn't it? Oh definitely I mean the whole outlook on what was here was flavored by that because it was the church rhetoric and the church propaganda that was really driving people

11:37 To feel like they needed to mission eyes and you know basically destroy the cultures right but when i came here they saw this abundance and. When they look at what the people who live here we're doing these are just, They're diggers, they just dig in the ground and root around. They don't really contribute anything. They don't have to contribute anything because they just pluck it from trees and there's so many fish that they just pluck them from a river or so many deer that if you throw a rocket at it will fall down. That is kind of how they look at it

12:15 they're all lazy because they've got so much of God's abundance, they don't know what to do with it. So we're going to come here and make all this land productive." That's the way they looked at it just like capitalism looks at anything that doesn't fit its own ends and looks as if there is something to be exploited. Of course! And so to focus on say the fish population how do we know that something was engineered instead of just random or nature taking its course? Well, I mean that just spoke to the health of the water and you know. The thing is there's a whole transpiration cycle that it isn't just dependent on rainfall falls and then you know water trickles down well but the water goes into the ground actually gets pulled up by roots in plants deeper roots like trees and

13:08 It helps to raise the water table. And it also has to do with temperature of the land as well, The colder it is, more the water table will rise up and be accessible for plants. Just the health of the surrounding landscape helped increase the water that fell and fed the rivers. Also this snow pack wasn't as effective today because the temperatures are changing Now what exactly the reason for that is you know there's a lot of debate. There's definitely contributions from carbon dioxide but the models that are put forward by the ipcc don't take into account water vapor, which is the main heat transportation system in the world so it seems like it be important

13:58 Yeah, you know that might impact their models. Yeah It might they also say apparently I mean I can't verify this but a lot of people are saying that all the planets are warming not just the earth so That throws into question The human component. I mean there is a definite effect from you know The difference in wavelengths that are you know? That carbon dioxide methane and things like that you know allow out. So there's definite facts but if there is other effects that are being counted for them by the models which of course they aren't sure then,

14:40 how correct are those models? We don't know. It's just incomplete, but in terms of should we stop burning fossil fuels absolutely it's horrible yeah it's toxic just overall it's toxic it's a bad idea right not a good idea to do So, you know obviously we need to change our ways and I don't support what Trump proposes of opening up the oil fields everywhere he can. You know just look at the Standing Rock and then there was an oil spill near there where it spilled like hundreds or thousands gallons of oil that's just one over 200 in the last year so...

15:22 Yeah, that's one of the things that upsets me about Trump the most. I'm glad the TPP is dead but i am a little concerned about him going backwards in energy instead of forwards Oh, he just wants to hand the keys over to them. To the oil companies and it's pretty obvious right on so to get back to Native Americans a little bit yes another thing that I had seen I hadn't been able to share with you yet but it was talking about their hunting practices and it wasn't just that they were They were just hunting at random they were finding out what these animals like to eat planning and strategic places and then, hunting them in that regard so it wasn't like they had domesticated animals quote unquote but they definitely had a process of hunting that was way more skilled intelligent included way more for site than we're led to believe.

16:16 Well definitely i mean they they knew the landscape they knew how the land wanted to grow what plants should be in locations and how that how it should be cultivated nurtured. They did a whole host of techniques to cultivate these plans with the primary ones fire actually fire allowed them too Keep down past to keep them diseases to clear out old growth to stimulate new growth and it was easy to do you know i didn't have to apply. Manually by hand everywhere when you just started it and make sure that we control the end you kept under control typically

17:03 That came about just from the fact of doing it periodically enough that didn't get out of control. But once the fires were over, basically they'd do primarily in the fall because that way the soil would have some time to absorb the nutrients and then next spring all the growth would come back and a lot of the plants wouldn't have actually died. It would've just been pruned back by the fire, and there'd still be a living root bulb or there'd be some portion above the ground that would still be alive, then it would all just grow out. Actually, the way that this acts is actually very similar to what I think the action was

17:51 for the philosopher's stone in alchemy when it comes to regeneration and life extension. Because the thing is that there are these cells that are down at the nodes of the plants, and they're basically undifferentiated cells or stem cells. And these stem cells that are down at the base of the plant, that's the place where these new branches come out And those new branches are the ones that the Native Americans and also the wildlife want because it actually grows back faster, grows back 1200% faster than normal growth. It grows straighter, it doesn't have all these bends in it and all these branches coming off of it. And it actually resists pests quite a bit more

18:46 It's basically what they use to make all their baskets, to make their houses. They were using a kind of fire coppicing which is very ancient technique it goes back to the Neolithic So, you know this has been known about for hundreds of thousands of years. Mm-hmm man I find this so fascinating a lot more than a conversation about permaculture might suggest but i like this approach of getting the best out of each element using them as tools and a type of synergistic way and it seems like they really engineered actual abundance in wealth not just a pile of green money in the bank

19:26 But we are relaying witness accounts from their day saying that flocks of birds blocked out the sun, you can't even get a horse across the river because there's too many fish. You can pluck them out with a pitchfork. They also got their foliage on lock too. But this is where a critic might say, well you're giving these people a lot of credit but maybe their situation was due to something like there being a far lower population at the time that's why they had so much extra So what would you say to that? Were there just fewer people here or is that a fallacy Well when you look at the more recent information i mean a lot of the historical data was completely on the low end. Right now they're saying between 10 million and 100 million is what the estimates would be for north america but I think it's closer to the high end maybe even higher, the thing is that there weren't really any accurate records in a lot of people who are developing those models

20:24 they were basing it off of accounts by people who weren't really interested in playing up their crimes to a degree. Right, of course! So the estimates that are on the higher end seem to make more sense when you look at the degree to their impact that they had on the landscape and some of the more historical accounts rather than Rather than the model accounts that came kind of in the 19th century's right on So the Native Americans they had these controlled burns. They were seeing things grow back 1200 percent faster What else were the people doing to actually affect the environment around them? Oh

21:11 Well, they would cultivate the plants. They would do pruning as well as fire. They also did hand-pruning between fire burnings and that also helped to regenerate the plants And they were doing a lot of digging because there's some plants that have tubers and little quorums on them or ribosomes. And the more disturbance you give them, the more they grow and the more little branches are offshoots with plants or completely separate plants would break off

21:52 and start growing. So by doing this cultivation, by giving them this disturbance whether it be the disturbance of fire, the disturbance pruning, the disturbance digging around roots a certain way to stimulate more growth they were constantly working towards improving productivity in landscape And they would see, you know I mean landscape changes over time and they would as things changed as conditions change they would transplant different plants to different areas. As a soft bit to help stimulate the health of that area like if they know that a certain animal needed a plant there were planted there to help that animal and things like that

22:41 And they also, they did have some big cities too right? I mean as you get into Mexico and Central America you'll find there are step pyramids but even Cahokia in the middle of the Midwest was apparently a big city so it's not just all animal skins and teepees right. Well that is actually some of the best estimates of what kind of populations Are coming starting to come out of South America because the thing is they did leave behind stone structures You know the thing with a lot of Northern American tribes is that they didn't Leave behind permanent structure. There were some in the southwest and things like that where they did but yeah, an essential in Southern American I mean it's in South America They're starting to do later surveys with planes and their finding that the buildings

23:33 Buildings that are just overgrown the pages of the jungle is it's best if you use its like. Remember correctly something like sixty percent landmass in brazil is growing over cities and it's crazy how much there is down there that hasn't been looked at yet. They've, I mean really they've just kind of like barely scratched the surface by just doing LADAR so far. That just gives them an indication of what's there but to actually...I mean there's potentially hundreds of years worth of archaeology there. Yeah seems like there's a lot of lost threads waiting to be rediscovered there for sure

24:19 So to maybe move on from their actions and get more into their philosophy of being a part of the environment rather than mastering it or conquering it, obviously quite different than the Western approach. But what more can be said to help us try to understand their way or get into their headspace about these kind of things? Well it was kind of a use model you know like if you're using and your using properly or did you are abusing. Then you're allowed to continue but if other people need access to what you expected to give them, give them access for you i mean reasonable no it's like if you have you know garden in the house friends coming over and they want

25:04 some lemons or some peaches, or whatever you have. You could share it with them no problem. Most plants give more than enough for the people... If it's a single family one tree can give them more than what they need for any type of produce. So there is plenty to go around when when people know how to share properly. Right, well that's interesting because we're sort of taught or shown depictions of these tribes as very warlike in most cases and I'm sure that's exaggerated but do we get any indication of what it was really like? Or if they had the issues of ego and typical human bickering descending into war with their neighbors versus some kind of peaceful coexistence in the land of abundance like can you clarify things in this area for us at all

25:55 Well in California we have some of the best records of that because there are people out exploring here. Before there was a lot of interference like things things started to happen on the East Coast quite a bit quicker, but there's records of groups where basically if another tribe needs something They would come and they would ask for permission To go onto the other tribes land And then the other tribe would either let them go onto their land or they would just gather what they wanted and provide it So And I mean, even when you...I'm sure you've heard of the term counting coup. Mm-hmm. And that's basically a ritualized form of warfare it's kind of like what we think of as sports teams but it was on more of a ritual level so that was the preferential means to settling disputes was a ritualized warfare Interesting

26:56 But things could evolve from there and then you know they were also instances where their power hungry chiefs who tried to rally everybody into a real war killing a lot of people sometimes it would just wake up. One day and find that the entire village was gone. Which is i think something perhaps we should do with our leaders at some point. We don't need you fair enough in the only real person i've heard talking a lot about,

27:33 Pre-columbian America is Graham Hancock when he talks about his war god series and of course that's a little more southern. He's talking about the Aztecs, but he paints a picture of their culture as like lining up thousands of slaves on the step pyramids who climb to top and lay down and get their hearts pulled out in Eden. I'm not talking about that. Right right it just you know I don't know where the dividing lines were between native americans and that every other is different but you know i mean on the whole. I mean there were definitely places where they were there are more pressures on them but the thing is that i need an act it was,

28:19 There's there some there some talk of that possibly being due to you know drought and things like that they started to become so savage. No way that they were dealing with the what the hardship for the cultural, this continuity that was going on at the time. I mean, I read about that when i was a kid and it scared me! It was really horrific what they did to people cutting their hearts out and things like that. But that does kind of get to the Next little thing i was gonna ask you about is the spiritual elements in all of this and just the idea of a tighter connection to earth and. To the consciousness of things in their environment because that is when things are good i'm curious what that relationship like but then it seems like when things are bad thats when,

29:10 And the whole society can go off the rails because you're trying to do everything you can think of to appease Some God that you think has an influence on your environment But as far as the Native Americans and the great sowing is scapegoating is a well-worn tradition Amen but what can you say about the spiritual elements that you've studied as far as Native Americans are concerned? Well From the things that i read it seems like they were interacting with the landscape there where communicating with the spirits of animals and plants. And they were using information that got to develop

29:51 their agricultural system, they would have visions of a certain herb to use for a certain condition and then they would continue to use that. If there was a certain plant or an animal that wasn't in abundance anymore if it was found to be dying off they would try and have a spiritual vision to figure out what to do and what was wrong this is actually something that comes up later in the Findhorn community that was established in Britain, I think it was the 1960's or 1970's. They were doing similar techniques. They were basically in sandy soil and it was really just a horrible place to try and grow anything but this couple and I think a few of their friends just settled there. It was just dirt cheap land or something like that but they're also called to what they said spiritually

30:49 So they settled there and tried to grow plants. And they were constantly meditating and trying to commune with spirits that will guide them in their gardening, before too long the soil had improved because of the advice that they were given. They were growing just like show-stopping kind vegetation and plants. I mean, it was the sort of things where they were growing things that were like two or three times what you'd see on a commercial farm and this is in just the worst soil you can find so...

31:31 Yeah man I love hearing about that garden or that community really interesting and it's a great case study for the benefits of developing some sort of relationship with local spirits or the consciousness of non-human things in that animist paradigm. I think there's something to it and this is something that i got from gordon white but he graphs some cultures of the past by their complexity and stability i think it is, does seem like ones that explore consciousness in develop a robust connection and reverence for the spirit world. They ranked higher. Egyptians of course were right near the top of the chart, but it just made in my mind a great case for the importance of this magical component in a culture and there does or there did at least seem to be a connection between cultures who got tuned into these levels to take advice from the spirits and their successes to some degree

32:27 Well, I think so. There's definitely something missing from modern society and it is this realm of the spiritual to a large degree Even though there are you know rituals and things like that better held in modern religion. A lot of them aren't really mystical they aren't the sort of thing that's meant to take you too another way of thinking it's meant to reinforce a certain doctor And if you read any of the holy books of these religions, they all espouse that well they come from this divine spark and this divine inspiration and this vision or this experience that someone had. But while it's them in your you never between shall meet. You can't have that experience because you aren't holy enough. It's like well excuse me

33:23 I'm a human being as well, you know? And this isn't the only guy to have had these sorts of experiences. I'm with you there man cheers to that and just a talk a little bit more about the finhorn garden cuz it is pretty cool, does give us some more modern glimpse into the type of spirit communication approach that some of the native american tribes had right i mean. Is there anything more we can say about the parallels between the two and exactly what was they were doing? Well, they were both trying to do the same thing. They're both trying to contact the spirits of certain plants To get insight in growing them and they both seem to have had success with it And I don't really you know see much evidence of Native American influence specifically at Pinthorn Gardens So it would be

34:18 it would just be another instance of a similar system having developed. Right, yeah I mean that is what i was getting at is since we can't go back in time to see the undisturbed Native American situation we can kind of look at the finhorn garden and see parallels to It working out for them yeah and that's what they say about ayahuasca like with the shamans in the amazon to is ask these shamans how did you decide to put these two things together to mix it into this brew and i say well the plants told us, end. You know that in psychedelic circles a lot of people know that and kinda take that for granted but why would you think he would only come into play with that vine and not plan when you think it would happen with basically everything in the environment or everything biological

35:06 Well, I mean with regard to ayahuasca you know i think it's like there is over a hundred and ten thousand plants that could have mixed that other plant would have been. Right the chances of happening by chance or just astronomical would've taken way too long for them to discover that accident exactly and i would assume that same way they got that insight they get inside about basically everything that their around Well you know it's like the buddhist llamas just any religion that still has a mystical aspect still has meditation as part of their practice or chanting drumming.

35:48 something that gets you into an altered state of consciousness. These are the things, I mean some Native American tribes they do the hanging with hooks thing that I'd rather not go there if I don't have to but you know that induces a trance and causes you to go into an altered state of consciousness where your able to commune with spirits and things like that. And I think basically it's because in that case its such an extreme amount of pain That your conscious mind it kinda shuts off you know because i can't deal with it right and so that you're basically start delving into the lower parts of your mind that we don't really don't. Interact with yeah and there clearly seems to be value in that because people come back with

36:36 Things that seem to work and we're also gonna talk a little bit more about plants and healing cuz of course i'm major slice the conspiracy world is rockefeller medicine in the widespread institution of chemical treatments rather than natural plant based ones. It's kind of to the point now that people completely dismiss the power of plants. You know, it's on a kind of a joke to be a naturalist but what have you learned about this from the research that you've looked into Native American practices? Is there some real power there do you think? Oh yeah! There is not much money The thing is that all these companies want something to patent Of course And you can't patent something that already in public realm

37:22 Now if you can take this plant and you can genetically engineer it a little bit, hey here we go. I can patent that, I can make money off of that so... But yeah that's the main thing to prohibit things like that from getting too far off the ground they propagandize to all the doctors that this isn't something to look at these aren't powerful enough they aren't effective Amounts of active ingredients and things like that. And then you know, I mean they do there natural They have varying amounts the ingredients but you can still test with things like that So to say that, you know It doesn't have any value that's it's very and I mean really what we get in terms of the pharmacopeia Of this pharmaceutical companies. It's basically a

38:12 A single derivative it's an extract or a chemical synthesis. It's a new chemical that they just basically copied out of the natural world typically, where are they trying to make something that was similar enough that we have some action and they can patent so It's basically what they themselves are drawing upon when they make their medicines. It's just that a lot of these medicines aren't as harsh, you know? It's kind of like the difference between drinking beer or wine and drinking vodka or drinking Yukon Jack. Right! It's a lot harsher on your body to drink the distilled stuff and you know... The way I think of pharmaceuticals is they're kinda like the distilled stuff rather than brewed stuff

39:00 So, you know it's something where I think that has a lot to do with why we have so many issues today because they basically are only taking an aspect of what should be applied as more holistic approach. Right? I agree with you there and so what can be said really i guess For the native americans i guess quote unquote medical system as opposed to ours do we know anything about their health before the colonial survived we know anything about their life spans how effective was there medicine for. Their way of life in their environment as opposed to ours

39:45 Well, I mean there were some things that they're very good at and then there are some things that they were not so good at. I mean antibiotics or something that has been developed that they didn't really have a an analog for to a large degree. There are things that could boost immune system. There are things you can help fend off certain illnesses or deal with symptoms but something that actually went in and killed off certain organisms they didn't have really. So, that's one major difference but there is olive leaf extract and there is oil of oregano and things like that which we know about that have similar actions. The olive leaf extract is actually the most effective of the herbal

40:36 antibiotic, anti-fungal antiviral compounds that are out there. It's about 90% effective so mm-hmm that's really good yeah man do you think we could ever kind of get back to this it seems actually somewhat difficult because if you consider all the plants and animals in the environment to be kind of crossroads for consciousness or ways to communicate with The great spirit as they might have called it, or just whatever spirits of any kind It seems like it's kind of hard to get spiritual messages from animals Or nature when we've destroyed at all. Like is it kinda like can we not go back? Well I mean you know the Fyndhorden Garden would say yeah They're ready to talk if we're ready to listen that's fair

41:27 I mean, the thing is that if we're gonna continue to live on this planet we don't have any other choice. A lot of people aren't choosing to and a lot of them don't even know that's an option The most important thing is to try get people aware of the fact there are different ways of doing things Applying chemicals to the ground is not feeding them That's applying chemicals to the ground It kills off the microorganisms in the ground. It's like if you took a bunch of grain alcohol and dumped it on the ground, it would kill off everything. Yeah! It's just not healthy

42:05 What you need to do is, you need to work with the soil. You need to develop the soil and make it into something that harbors microorganisms and feeds plants because the thing is that microorganisms, the fungi in the soil they're what do most of the work for the plants because the plants actually depend on them to carry nutrients through the soil to their roots So when we do the sorts of agricultural practices that we do, especially monoculture which is just horrible. It completely depletes the soil you have to do rotations but I mean that's not really a solution. The solution is growing plants intermingled with each other so they support each other which is what described in permaculture. So I think there's a lot to be gleaned

42:58 from a lot of these different types of agriculture and taking bits and pieces from each one, trying to integrate them together. Find new ways to account for the growth patterns after disruption, account for the soil, and account for how land is used and how it affects water. There's a lot of these things that haven't been entertained in a long time because there been a certain mindset. And I'm hoping that, you know, that mindsets changing a little bit. I mean just the fact that book Tending The Wild by M.Cadd Anderson that I sent you was published, you know? That says a lot. Yeah it does if you want to be positive that's definitely something to look at but man we hear these quotes that i love about just all the abundance that was out there

43:49 It wasn't that long ago. How did we manage to fuck all this up in so little time? Well, really by the beginning of the 19th I mean by the end of the 19th going into 20th century without really much in the way of mechanistic assistance European mindset alone had managed to wipe out most of everything. We've recovered quite a bit since then actually, but yeah in terms of the animal life and right but the vegetation To large degree has been just development

44:27 It has a lot to do with mindset, basically. It didn't take a whole lot of sophistication for the Europeans to completely wipe out the carrier pigeon and things like that. So we're lucky that there have been some rules to hold back the complete decimation of our wild areas but What we need to realize is that we need to do more than just prevent them from being destroyed. And just kind of replanting things here and there, and we really need interact a lot more with the land in order to be able to

45:03 Get it back to where kind of where it was before and maybe even better You know start bringing in some of these other techniques that I'm talking about like biodynamics And things like that. Mm-hmm, and I'd like to I'd like to start talking about that a little bit we can Yeah, that was actually my next note here. The only other thing I was going to say to kind of add to your points there is that in one of these videos I was watching that kinda gets into this material and preparation for today they're reading from the writings of a Native American like some journal of some type and he says I really just don't get these people they cut down massive trees to build these structures and then all winter long they burn wood in every room of every building that they build an it's just extremely wasteful and i won't be sustainable

45:56 Sure enough, it isn't. But I thought that was just a great point. I can only imagine Native Americans seeing this completely alien way of doing everything and just watching it rape and pillage their surroundings. And these white people are like, Isn't this better? Look how awesome this is! Yeah, aren't you happy we gave them pots and pans and knives?! It's like we had pots and pans knives before asshole. Yeah, I mean just God imagine how crazy that would be. Give me my land back! Right on so right you said you wanted to also discuss biodynamic agriculture and i guess rudolf steiner's alchemically derived agriculture system what's going on with this stuff that you also sent me?

46:43 So basically it's a way of sowing and reaping, and basically coming up with a cyclic look at the way that different plants interact with the environment. So what he's talking about is the kind of longitudinal waves, the orgo and energy from the Sun as it were. As that interacts with the Earth, he tries to draw the correct energies that are being emanated and channeled through you know the astrological

47:19 Interactions with planets and the lensing of those waves down to the earth and things like that Like the zodiac they use a zodiac To plan when they're gonna plant some things like that And they also use it for making these preparations where the preparations are planted at this certain time. And So what will be is it'll be cow manure in a horn or it'll be an herb in a horn and Or it might also be silica, which is quartz in a horn. And it will be buried underground and then the energy that is being absorbed by the Earth from longitudinal energies is being concentrated by the horn in the ground

48:02 into this material. So I think it, you know especially the quartz preparation, I think that it helps to focus orgone through the resonant cavity effect that Victor Gribenikoff found and it also helps to concentrate orgone as well in the material I mean, Oregon or goodnight i'm not working out what is it the powder on this or miss or missing there. Huh so that maybe that's why the guy was discovering or miss like what but that was so weird cuz it to go back to you know all the gold you can eat they didn't really get into why he found this stuff i just see like he found this stuff or miss in his field and he started doing all these we're testing on it everywhere, where is it before it goes between the land water there it's everywhere.

48:58 So I think that the horn and because the horn it's full of all these, it's a bone. It's full of all these cavities. And so I think all those little cavities are helping to concentrate the flow of this etheric energy into there and then the horn shape that's also like a phi curve if you're familiar with the golden ratio. I think that helps the energy going to apply or like a light positive sort of. Flow the shape of the horn cuz it looks like i like the shell yeah has that same kind ratio built into it so if you think that's, can't help me the energy flow through there and get it out to concentrate because i think that is caught up in this stuff when you have it be concentrated and flowing

49:51 It helps to concentrate it into what you have in there. Hmm like biohacking the rules of our 3d environment Yeah, kind of I mean is there much of a historical precedence for this biodynamic agriculture? This is a recent thing right fairly recent thing well, it was developed by Rudolph Steiner who was like late 19th early 20th century and he this was all based off his Basically a spirit site. Hmm He saw things in other worlds so to speak growing up and then he went to school and he got a doctorate you know started writing about this stuff, but he was basically someone who wanted to Understand the spiritual in the scientific context hmm interesting Yeah I don't know enough about Rudolf Steiner obviously seems like an interesting guy in that Wilhelm Reich wheelhouse kind of

50:48 Yeah, well you know Rudolf Steiner I would say that he the group that he started was called Anthroposophy It was basically an outreach of the Theosophy movement. Well not an outreach I'd say a kind of a splinter off of them because when the Theosophist said that Krishnamurti reincarnation of Jesus I think then that's when he kind of split off. Gotcha, yeah! I've got a Krishnamurti magnet on my refrigerator right now. I always thought the Theosophists were bit wacky but I'm a bit down more with the Anthroposophist. Yeah you're not alone in that and that thought i've had quite a few guests kind of say that. Right on so

51:37 Guess this biodynamic agriculture it is super interesting I mean what else can be said about it has it ever been used in a real widespread fashion Oh, it's very widespread in Australia of all places actually huh because they have such horrible soil down there They've used to develop their slow in a lot of places There are few people who started to advocate. It. I think was during the 20th century and Yeah, I mean that's when it had to have been because that's...I think he started to give his talks about it during the 20s. I think it was like maybe the 60s or 80s they started to really take off there There is a lot of biodynamic farming down here And uh..I mean they're using quartz

52:20 Yeah, so like I said in the previous episode quartz is actually and crystals are Actually kind of like a little nest for ormus materials to get trapped And so I think that the reason why they're using the courts and there's but they're kind of supercharging the courts with Ormous materials in the horn as it's buried and And it's getting kind of a flavor from the flows of etheric energy that are going through it. Then, that is basically being mixed with water and sprayed on the fields. What that does I think is that quartz in a homeopathic way structurizes the water

53:07 Because the thing is, the water has strong bonds between the hydrogen and oxygen. But it's a polar molecule so that means there is positive and negative side itself So that molecule can be arranged like magnets in different structures And so when you have electromagnetic fields When you have contaminants in the water When you have stuff mixed with it It's gonna retain a flavor of that even if that materials removed because it's effective the weaker bonds in water. That has, that is what we talk about when we're talking about water structure. And so if you put quartz and one of these horns and bury it I mean you also mentioned their sprain affected water on this but how large of an area does that affect?

53:58 From what I understand, that...I can't remember the ratios. Let me see if it might have it open somewhere on here. The cow horn silica is a mixture of 1 gram to 13 liters of water per acre so one gram of this stuff is good for an acre when you mix with water and that, let's see the spray enhances photosynthesis of the leaf And as such, complements the activity of the preparation BD500 which is another one of the preparations they make. Which works mostly on the root zone of the plant and also strengthens the plant against some fungus attack, rots in passion fruit and rust on coffee and rice."

54:40 So it basically helps to photosynthesize better. It's kind of like polar feeding, it gets absorbed by the pores of a plant. Right so if this is so effective why wouldn't the corporate farming industry just use it also? Because they're profit at any cost they don't care what gets them there Well, I mean there's a lot of skepticism around it. Really it is not the corporations because the corporations typically are not the farmers The farmers are typically individuals and they base it off what they think will happen and most people are skeptical

55:25 I mean, there was a large movement by biodynamic farmers in Australia to educate others. So that was effective there but most people are just... they just don't believe it'll work They're afraid of past their friday losing a crop would destroy them because the way we got everything. Finance right now and they have to be able to make payments on all this equipment will spray the stuff. And it's really a wasteful system in its ways not just material resources fuel

56:03 but also of human life because a lot of these farmers if they do have a bad year and increasingly even with the genetic, you know manipulation and chemicals and everything else that soil is becoming so depleted that There are many more diseases that are cropping up even with all that stuff And they can't stop it. It adapts faster than they can deal with at this point Mm-hmm man, and so to switch gears a little bit here I'm always interested in magic and the methods of the ancients and that's why native americans are also so interesting because there. Still living fragments of that way of life to some degree you think the elders might know some of that stuff still as opposed other cultures who just completely gone,

56:49 And when it comes to Native Americans, probably the most widely known ritual is the rain dance. And it's presented today as superstition but you do seem to think not only that it worked but you might have some insights into how right? Yeah, so the rain dance basically what it was was it was a ritual where a shaman and a group of people would you know they'd dance they go into a trance and they would be trying to summon the forces of brain. And from the evidence of Wilhelm Reich with his you know rain system that he developed and also harp there is evidence that's possible

57:32 And both of those systems are using this longitudinal energy I've been talking about. There's evidence from not just brain dance, but also all these other spiritual experiences that the human body and the human mind is capable of reproducing those effects. Reproducing longitudinal waves creating levitational effects creating effects that couldn't be accounted for by normal interactions in space-time as we think of it And the way I think that happens is you know... Go into the kind of chain of custody for information so to speak so we have our conscious mind which is mine that everybody thinks out and what's kinda what identifies themselves. Right so it's a rollover ego,

58:26 And that would be kind of considered to be the left half your brain. It's more of a serial system, you think about one thing at a time plotting to the next thing and you think that it is very efficient way most of the time But actually, you've got this other side of your brain the subconscious which is mostly what people deal with in their realm of dreams and things like that. It's the artistic mind if you're an artistic person then you would deal a lot with your right side of your mind symbolism or relationships between things that sort of thing. Then there's the unconscious mind

59:10 and The conscious and the subconscious are kind of they deal together through the corpus callosum which is this connected tissue between the two hemispheres of your head, and then they also Deal with the limbic system in the spinal column In a limbic system in the spinal column are basically the unconscious mind. Mm-hmm and the left half is serial processing one thing at a time, right half is parallel process which means that it processes a lot of things at once like when your subconscious. Is looking at something and doesn't see anyone things specifically looking all the relationships between everything has a lot more bandwidth but in terms of operations you're

1:00:03 Conscious mind is capable of going methodically through a lot of steps operations but your subconscious mind is very limited in the source of operation why you know when u get dream imagery it's hard to tell exactly what's being conveyed because it's a very simple message but it's good symbolically. So that's kind of the dreams speak from your subconscious is kind of how How we're usually interacted with by our subconscious mind and then the unconscious mind it deals more in feelings and your subconscious kind of interprets those feelings and Hands them off to the conscious minding in a symbolic form

1:00:47 And so the unconscious mind in your limbic system, in your spinal cord. The spinal cord is acting as the receptive portion that's getting all this information from your organs and things like that. In the limbic system it's acting as the projecting portion. It's basically releasing all these hormones and all these regulators for your synaptic functions and things like that regulating compounds for your organs. And there's a similar effect with your conscious mind as well, the conscious mind, the left half of your brain is the more expressive, the more projecting portion and then you're right half of your brain is constantly receiving information so it was kind of this male and female aspect to your conscious and unconscious mind

1:01:41 And i think what happens is the unconscious mind is actually interacting with all these organs and things like that so it's acting at a cellular level. It's acting in kind of holistic level and i think that the way that these longitudinal waves are being generated is through the mitochondria bar dna So when people are able to go into these trance states, they're able to To convey information past the subconscious mind to the unconscious mind and they're able to Open up a flow of information there. Hmm You

1:02:21 And so that's where you get these trance states, where they're able to see things they can't see otherwise because they're actually connected through these longitudinal waves to this other spiritual realm. They are able to interact with it and generate effects in our realm as well, where we are able to manipulate weather, alter the weight of a person and the weight of objects and telekinesis all this weird Stuff. Yeah, it seems to match up with the effects of this longitudinal energy That's what I think basically is a chain of custody and the last chain there that you know The link between the cellular and the and the unconscious mind that's kind of been developed by this fellow Let me find his name Stuart Hamer off okay

1:03:15 Stuart Amaroff is a professor of, I think he's an anesthesiologist and a professor at the University of Arizona. He basically developed a theory where he felt that there was a mechanism for cells to interact on a quantum level and that seems to have been demonstrated by some of the research that was presented in Some Google talks on quantum biology where they're talking about how there's actually quantum states That are being imposed On the micro tubules of ourselves as they're operating in the microtubule so the cells are basically the nervous system of the cell

1:04:00 So if there's quantum information there, that means you're able to interact at a non-local level. You're interacting with a non local field and your are able to transmit information instantaneously and all this other stuff but I think what we call quantum is actually kind of the after effects of this longitudinal etheric energy so that makes sense Wow man, well a hell of a lot of new information. I love it! I really appreciate you bringing this stuff to light. I really like your alchemical tie-in approach and breaking it up by the elements because I think that's just a great way to categorize these things. It is just a fun way to do it and makes sense for people. It is easily approachable. I really like todays especially with examples like the Findhorn Garden

1:04:49 and biodynamic agriculture, that stuff's pretty interesting. Anything else to drop on the people before I cut you loose? No not really it's great to be on as always and uh... i just want to um... be able to kind of tie the ether physics outlook into other aspects so if you know life And just kind of seeing how it filters through these other weird topics. Yeah! You know, these other things that otherwise it's inexplicable because there is no theory to

1:05:25 Kind of shine a light on to it and i think that as i started to research ether theory I think that it has a lot of strong points to support things that otherwise are inexplicable And so you know It's really great To have a platform like your show to be able to talk about this stuff and kind of get it out there You know one of the things that rudolph steiner says is You can do research and things for yourself, but once you do it's kind of your responsibility to get it out there and let other people know about it. So that's kinda what I'm trying to do is just...I've been doing this research for a while. I started to make some big connections I think and I just want to get it out there so that other people can benefit from it

1:06:14 And I feel like it's my responsibility. Yeah, well said and it is a very unique approach. I think you're doing great stuff and I appreciate being thought of as a great place to walk through it so definitely have a good one and we'll talk soon okay have a good one all right man Alright people, there we have it. The triumphant return of the Shaman Janir I really loved this show especially as it got going 20-30-40 minutes in because a lot of the stuff starts to click around that point but the fact that Shaman Janir has researched so many bright forgotten minds knows so much about Aether physics and is able to apply that template pretty effortlessly in multiple areas

1:06:59 It is really impressive to me and I do feel lucky to have him as a recurring guest for the Aether Physics Perspective. Because, I don't want to just follow conspiratorial trends you know if something big happens yeah we'll talk about it but i'd rather get into content that I rarely ever hear about but still sounds like it makes sense this is one of those shows for me maybe Native American permaculture practices landscape management and engineered abundance aren't the most mind-blowing topics to everyone But isn't it sort of fun to visualize a completely different way of living and consider their highly effective processes in comparison to corporate factory farms and all the waste along the way? I've heard people say that one of the biggest crimes against humanity the elite pulled in the last century was driving us into agricultural ignorance. That when we lost the ability and knowledge to feed ourselves, we lost everything

1:07:53 If you've ever just had a few fruit trees on your property, it is crazy how much they yield. But many of us have been so economically fucked that we can't afford land for a couple fruit trees! A show like this does make me consider moving back to the Midwest buying some secluded acreage... The Midwest being the only place I could afford to do that and then trying to resurrect some these old practices create Carlwood Gardens and get my alchemy on It's an idea. But maybe some of these topics were inspiring to anyone looking to get off the grid or work towards a sustainable lifestyle? You might try some of these lost arts!

1:08:31 It's funny because a big theme on the higher side, a few months ago was the realms of secret science or hidden physics and some people sort of explain it with torsion and counter rotation but ether physics really unlocks a lot more. It also explains the alchemy concept way better than it being just an analogy for the spiritual path of enlightenment I do kind of think putting it in that box is a way of saying, well, I don't understand that so i'm just going to say it was all symbolic and metaphorical. And I'm sure it can be that but I think the real alchemical science creates the basis for there to be analogies about the spiritual path not that its primarily metaphoric if that makes sense

1:09:14 Either way, I hope you liked this one. Hopefully we didn't get too deeply under the skin of listeners who have been swept away in that alt-right crowd. I know that comes up mainly in the Plush Show, but still it used to be completely non controversial to talk about all the damage death and destruction that came with European expansion and the Inquisition and the nexus of royalty and the papacy and their various conquests You know how like you can talk shit about your alcoholic brother and it's no big deal but when someone else does it, It's like whoa now dude. Hey that is my family you're talking about There seems to be this new attitude about European ancestors at least around me where talking about their crimes Is kind of like talking shit on my people bro I don't know its weird type of thing that I've been seeing lately thats all

1:10:05 One positive semi-related thing I did hear the other day was in reference to the Grand Canyon. If you've ever been there, it's awesome! It's pretty underdeveloped fairly undisturbed and the story goes that a lot of folks wanted to move in and put casinos and hotels and resorts all along the ridges Of course they did And Roosevelt came in and said no we got to preserve this place In fact the quote is pretty well known I think but what he actually said was In the Grand Canyon, Arizona has a natural wonder which is in kind absolutely unparalleled throughout the rest of the world. I want to ask you to keep this great wonder of nature as it now is. I hope you will not have a building of any kind—not a summer cottage, a hotel or anything else—to mar the wonderful grandeur and great loneliness and beauty of the canyon."

1:10:57 Leave it as it is. You cannot improve on it, the ages have been at work on it and man can only marr it." And that is amazing really! I only wish it applied to a few other locations in our system in general Native Americans probably didn't have it perfect, but can you imagine Western masonry and technological and industrial ingenuity? Especially if it was unshackled from oil and closed-circuit electric. And the Teslas and the Rikes and Thomas Townshend Browns were actually maximized to their fullest potential? Imagine all that merging with a synergistic relationship with Earth and environment, engineered abundance in a society embedded in nature rather than paving over

1:11:41 And of course, a full exploration and implementation of the suppressed natural sciences and ether physics? If we'd only just step back and assess the best elements of everything and remove roadblocks like the Rockefeller oil-only policy and fuck it let's go for gold. A fiat currency clad debt based system of rule! Imagine what life could really be like Imagine if we could somehow manage to implement those just five or six tweaks. It'd be a different fucking world, guys! It really would and that's why we explore these things you want to get an accurate idea of the playing field and how it's been worked against you not so you can have an excuse for your mediocre life in pointless cog-in-the-wheel job

1:12:26 Some people do think that way. Oh, well the school system fucked me, the Rockefellers fucked me and so that's why I work at White Castle and why even try? No it isn't about that it is about getting a handle on the landscape So you can navigate it better and escape those traps And dig out of all those carefully crafted trenches You can spend a lifetime trudging through It's not a fair system but we do want to look at it honestly don't we A bit of a tangent, but that's just one question I get a lot. People say how do you handle it? Do you ever get defeated or depressed? How do you go on? Well...I go on because fuck them!

1:13:02 Quitting the job they wanted me to have and instead making a career out of exploring things They've swept under the rug or tried to suppress or lied about has been pretty fucking lucrative for me So I guess I should thank them for giving me so much material and regulating their airwaves to things like Downton Abbey and Dance Moms But what does that have to do with anything? Bringing it back, if you like the first hour here and the second hour Shemangineer breaks down our galactic positioning and magic ability. The Black Crow in the stages of the Philosopher's Stone anti-aging studies in The Alchemy Connection Egypt alchemy and life extension the different philosophies of survival

1:13:43 And then of course the alt-right movement, nationalism and this whole thing being a product of the deep state. The strategy of tension and I agree with a lot of his points in that area That's why I say you can't get invested in either side And we talked about early American, pretty fringe interesting archaeological discoveries that don't fit the official narrative. Things like pyramids in the Grand Canyon unearthed Jesuit artifacts all fun stuff but when we're talking about the geopolitical landscape and Shemaj Neer says something like those Muslim laws They're gonna be coming out at some point. I should give him a little extra credit because he said that before the travel ban controversy, we recorded this a little before then and you can say that some of that applied for sure. I just wanted to throw that out there without having much else to say about any of that stuff

1:14:36 Cause he should get a gold star for that. But don't get too attached to any particular worldview I would say, and if everyone around you starts having the same ideas maybe rethink where you're getting them which goes for everyone including me That said...I love you guys! I'm just a simple stoner dropout not really an expert in anything but i do know some people who are So thanks for listening, follow your dreams and keep your pimp hands strong. I've done my part Your move secret science suppressors indigenous knowledge destroyers and agents of the alchemical quarantine You're fucking Lucid dreams are so vivid, cause you go to bed at seven And your brain comes alive because you hate your nine-to-five You wake up with a dread and make sure your cats are fed Did your brain talk to a ghost who moved your coffee and toast As you listen to the higher side chats

1:15:32 You get to your desk and your boss says it's a mess And your soul slowly grows To a place where nothing grows When you think he's not around, you insert a SETI sound The OM says turn it down and you say It's just the higher side chats Oh do you think you'd be invited? To Bohemia Grove. To a Bilderberg club Do you think you'd be invited by a Rothschild to a party on a submarine. Diving down, to the center of the earth through the Marianas Trench your teeth begin to clench from the sulfurous stench The mask you're given doesn't fit cause you're not one of them

1:16:28 Starting today, you'll make plans to get away There's no one to hold you down And the what-ifs start to drown Then you wake To the glare Of a cofluorescent stare and The light winks at you Cause it's life is almost through But it's holding on to quit time just like You It's time for the High Side Chats! .