Schwab | The Dirigible Deception, California Island, & The Electromagnetic Ecology

00:03 No need for arduous seeking. All you have to do is follow the clues You start to see this as a simulation, as a type of computerized AI manufactured reality We are playing like putty into the hands of the manipulators who are just setting us at war with each other The master's almost surely have a plan Screwing babies around my throne close chest

01:09 Happy days are here again, Hiresight Chatters from sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and while we spend a lot of time talking about how backwards unjust and corrupt this sick Archon inspired system is the saddest part is that our collective imagination has been so thoroughly crushed that many people lack the vision to reflect on the small insights We do have into what could be timeline And extrapolate out how full-blown amazing our reality could be if we could somehow reclaim what was taken from us. A mystical history, electrogravitic technologies, plasma physics energy systems, proper nutrition a well developed consciousness and a strong collective spirit of cooperation and exploration of a paradise now lost

01:51 If you ask me, it all deserves a little bit more than the lackluster collective shoulder shrug we tend to offer up as a reaction to the realization that our could-be utopia has been reengineered into a dull inspiration deprived slave system. But by its design, we just don't have the energy to display more passion let alone reclaim any ground Although that might change if more of us stayed up to date with the work of today's returning guest, the semi-anonymous but real human Schwab. Because through his substack masterpieces he not only breaks down the nitty gritty details of what's been done, rubbing our nose in it like a dog do a soiled rug... But he gives magnificent glimpses at the good timeline and as if channeling Howard Beale himself His writing relays a subtle undercurrent that before we can do anything first We have to get mad

02:38 Well, I'm fired up already so let's go! The collective intuition whisperer lost world reconstructor and my favorite sage of substack the great and powerful Schwab. Welcome back my good man Glad to be here that was a once again an amazing introduction it's an art form i love it yeah i'm happy to be here i'm psyched Heck yeah, man. Me too and I do very few things well but intros do seem to be one of them! I appreciate you coming back. I really enjoyed the last one and felt like there was enough left to the cutting room floor to fill up another interview on top of the work you've done since Plus, it just seemed to be exceptionally well-liked. I mean of course they're all my babies but this one kind of struck a chord and i got tons of great feedback from people! I hope you can say the same? I sure can! I got a lot of feedback from that...I got a lot of new subscribers A LOT OF PEOPLE commenting saying y'know, I heard you on The Higher Side

03:33 So, I was blown away to be honest. Oh amazing to hear! Amazing to hear! Yeah so to kick this off i wanted to go back to your very first post which was about the Hindenburg it's one thing to say that the Hindenburg disaster story has a lot of holes that that make it seem in hindsight like a false flag from the robber baron oil only cartel. But it's not about one airship or one incident, It is about an amazing technology that was stuffed back into the box with one dramatic display to quote some lines from this piece you write By the end of 1936, Hindenburg had crossed the Atlantic 34 times carrying over 3500 passengers and the ship's highly successful 1936 season seemed to indicate that regular transatlantic air service had arrived. Imagine a world in which luxury travel was not only available to everyone but was also affordable! In its day, airship travel was twice as fast as steamship travel

04:35 and didn't require one to spend days adjusting to the tossing and turning of the ocean. Safe, luxurious travel from Germany to America in under 50 hours! In 1937, the world lost a 800-foot long floating platform that would move at 85 miles per hour and carried over 200,000 pounds of cargo An unlimited range! Airports and runways were not necessary. Cruising speed was three times faster than steamship, not only are airships much more comfortable than modern flight they were also much more fuel efficient than any modern jet airliner or vehicle the Hindenburg was capable of flying around the world in 1936

05:17 without stopping for fuel. We were getting dangerously close to free energy travel! If that technology had been developed, standardized and miniaturized just imagine." Oh man so when I say your work channels Howard Beals' first-I want you to get mad attitude this is what i'm talking about because when you really have these details laid out it's no small thing and we should be mad yeah you should be angry I say later on in this piece that it's an entirely different timeline that diverges at the crash of the Hindenburg or the, you know, the psychological operation whatever you want to call it. Where if this kind of technology and it's not just the Hindenburg itself, it's the spirit of that grand elegant design that we see that was lost from that golden era, the 1930s

06:14 It's that vision that was lost, and it was pushed in this direction of more utilitarian and sort of less human forms of travel. Just packing people in...it's a whole way of being that we diverged from I was taking a look at some different kinds of campers they actually had this helicopter camper design for awhile idea of mobility, of being able to take your family basically anywhere. If you had used durable technology to have portable mobile campers that could fly I mean it's a very safe technology imagine how great that would be

07:08 Yeah, for sure. And the point about the general spirit being extinguished is important too now it seems like we're experiencing a new level jump in the mobility limiting operation they want us in smaller and smaller boxes but back with the Hindenburg might be where the timeline went dark and I'm just curious because this was German technology It was the 1930's how much of a factor was the geopolitical landscape at the time? In how things went down It's hard to say if it was anti-Nazi sentiment because there were so many elements at play at this point in history. You know, the guy that…the famous coverage of the Hindenburg—this guy Herbert Morrison— he begins his coverage that day with an advertisement for American Airlines. Yeah and there is definitely in

08:10 propaganda that came out afterwards, that was the way that it was framed. There were definite signs that there was a bit of competition going on there between the airlines and you know, the lighter than air dirigible craft but there is an element there of geopolitical tension where the German side of the investigation...there is evidence that they did see that it was sabotaged

08:47 But rather than create an international incident out of it, they chose to go the other way and just go along with the accident narrative. That's very curious to me because it seems like, yes the oil oligarchy would have wanted to put the kibosh on this but they don't really control the whole world and it seems like especially at that time there could have been a block of nations that say well we're gonna use this over here anyway. But you do note that 10 years prior to this there was a ban on

09:29 helium imports from the United States and Germany hoped that they could just overcome that by showing how successful it is, how safe it is. And my understanding is that the actual Hindenburg was filled with hydrogen gas instead of helium because of that ban. Is that right? I mean, that seems like a strange element as well which gas was used. Yeah, that gases are... Helium has a lot safer and it's a lot better And that's part of the story is the control of the helium sort of changed everything. Because of that ban, because of America refusal to cooperate and share the helium reserves we have they had to go with a nitrogen. So there is definitely an element there.

10:23 It's a very strange thing because trains derail, planes crash, steamships sink but they all still get used. Something was different here and the people were intentionally traumatized to fear this technology but is there really anything stopping it from re-emerging now other than the echoes of that trauma and the perception that it's not worth it? No not at all! And there are a lot of people trying different things with dirigible technology right now. And there's absolutely nothing stopping people, I kind of try to push people to try this technology on a smaller scale and experiment with it because there is really nothing stopping people from doing that if you look at how it was scaled up, bro, It was how it started. It really was hobbyists, you know, hobbyist aviators building these things with their own just local funding

11:21 So I'm sure it's possible just to kickstart something and get it off the ground if you start on a small enough scale. That's what I'm interested in is the potential for it to be miniaturized, and for it to be personal lighter than aircraft not a one-man thing but something where you could live in it You know how people like the van life thing? Think about how much more elegant that would be if you could fly up into the Adirondacks or up to Alaska. The mobility of it, there are so many places just in Canada that are inaccessible because of the geography and lack of roads and same is true for Siberia. There's places all over the world

12:11 that are still pristine and beautiful, that could be accessed with that kind of technology. And it would be really economical. It's like you're talking about the... If you're just moving something the size of a Winnebago, you're talking about very low amount of fuel. It's very efficient. Most of the action, the work is being done by the lifting gas Right. And people should really see the images that you have in this post because the plans, the blueprints they show these luxury hotels in the sky basically I mean think about a cruise ship of course they're not luxury if you've ever taken a cruise and had to eat that food it's pretty miserable It's kind of like a floating prison until you get to where you want to go but at the time with this vision

13:01 They were thinking pretty radical things about how people could travel around in the air and it'd be great to reignite that. So much of your work is about how A lot of these things start in the mind and kind of condensing possibility in the mind. And this is just a great example of it, and to reiterate how well established this was you write after more than 30 years of passenger travel on commercial Zeppelins in which tens of thousands of passengers flew over 1 million miles on more than 2000 flights without a single injury The era of the passenger airship came to an end in a few fiery minutes with the Hindenburg disaster. And you go on to say there are many questions surrounding the famous disaster, to get into that day itself what are some of those questions? Okay so first of all there were I don't know something like 30 different photographers, there were about four different

14:01 people taking film, there were all kinds of radio stations present. And the fact that there was such a huge media presence really didn't make sense. There had been many crossings already we had you know several transatlantic journeys already 34 successful transatlantic crossings and not a single one of these people got an image of the point of ignition of when it went up in flame it's always like two seconds after So all of these cameras on it, earlier in the day there had been planes following it shadowing it taking film of it. There was all this attention which I think is by itself a little bit suspicious but then even more suspicious as this other factor where no one caught that crucial moment so there's the static spark theory that was selected as the go-to theory as the historical consensus of what caused it

15:07 And the thing that I've been thinking about recently is this guy, Morrison. The one that says, oh the humanity! What you usually hear is part of what he does which is like a 1 minute and 30 second clip right? Of when he sees the event he becomes increasingly like second by second increasingly frantic and panicky And if you know anything about people, especially men in the 1930s they were much more stoic. You hear early recordings everything's very stoic there's a very regimented sort of stylistic way of speaking and very rarely do they deviate from that it's describing all kinds of disasters and you could say he was overcome by the moment but he really goes into it he's blubbering in a span of 30 seconds

16:08 which is unusual, but let's you know maybe he was an emotional guy. He does quickly recover after that and the thing that's really interesting is that he suggests the static spark theory right? You know this ship's hydrogen due to the rain earlier like they had dropped two ropes whether or not some spark or something set it on fire we don't know something pulled loose on the inside of the ship he's suggesting the static spark theory up until that moment in time that had never happened before The electric charge theory was something that this committee, that they had assembled produced after they had been you know for weeks it took them to cook this thing up. So I find that very suspicious by itself. I think the main thing is... That is impossible to deny is the framing if you look at the coverage of it, the cinema reels that were produced afterward. I think the first time I realized like it really was

17:15 some kind of hit job on the Zeppelin. I saw this Universal reel, Zeppelin explodes scores dead and behind the text they have like this sort of transparent image of a skull you know and it's very ghoulish especially at that time This is not...you know You're talking about really wholesome kinds of content that you would go to the movies and see at this point in time. And to have this, they were really pushing for maximum trauma. If you listen to the things that they say it's very propagandistic right? We all have this sort of mental we have an ear for propaganda now but it's much more sophisticated than someone in the 1930s. This was the first

18:10 multimedia disaster events in history that was on radio, film. That was covered on site in the moment and I'm sure it was traumatizing for the American public at that time. Yes yes that's kind of what I was going to say is we have more sophistication in terms of parsing propaganda now so when you look at it in retrospect its kinda ham-fisted but yeah it very much parallels 9 11 frame everything correctly, show the disaster, show the burning and drill it home over and over again. And yeah, it seems to have been very effective but you also have another post about atomic dirigibles that takes it all a step further mentioning that a number of atomic airships could've been linked together permanently and formed in atomic

19:03 flotilla city, we could have had these insane floating hotels in the sky. The helium-based blimps already sound pretty amazing but atomic blimps might have been an even bigger level jump it seems." Yeah for sure so atomic energy has so much potential to it and it's been attacked like nothing else in history you know there's All of these applications, atomic ships, atomic dirigibles and only very few have been able to escape this anti-atomic energy lobby. You know they masquerade as environmentalists but in actuality if you applied the same level of clean technology

19:52 of engineering and development that we do to coal fire plants or anything else, if we had that level of development applied to nuclear power it would be as safe as anything now. Probably safer than the lithium batteries in Teslas that explode every now and then. So this technology is definitely viable but you know the media has always attacked it every time it shows up There were all these different research studies that have been done that show the viability of it. And once you're talking about something that's nuclear powered and its contained, and its safe, and its efficient travel costs go down. The kinds of travel that you can do changes everything. You can have dirigibles that never have to come down to earth. They have enough visible material, you know, you could just... It could go for a year without refueling

20:57 So crazy and that calls into question the major meltdowns we have seen like Chernobyl and these things. Might they be part of the same kind of campaign to be like, look how scary this is? You should never touch it don't ever go here even though it largely might be safe there's a whole industry now of YouTubers that go to Chernobyl and hang out and get footage of it. And it's completely safe, you know there are these warnings that you shouldn't eat the mushrooms or this or that but people do! People capture small game they eat the mushrooms they're all fine. The babushkas go and forage for things and everyone is fine There are no harmful effects It's the same thing happened with the Fukushima disaster I've met people who were like

21:50 fleeing California when that happened, because they were afraid of the radiation cloud and they were fleeing to South America. There was a lot of hysteria that's created out of nuclear disasters that you know it's about as bad as what happened in East Palestine and Ohio. You know there is definite contamination that enters the environment And it needs to be controlled and contained. But it's the level of hysteria that is created out of it, that's a complete media artifact. Yes That- It shouldn't exist...that level of fear..it's not real! None if its real

22:32 Yeah, yeah. We got to question everything that we think we can know and take for granted because it all has to be unpacked and uncovered. And what are your thoughts about Radium? Because I recently had Analog here and I understand you guys know of each other at least but he considers radium a big key here if you research radium You'll quickly find the story of the radium girls who were watchmakers who all got cancer and died Again, traumatic story pushed to the front of any search results to steer people away from a useful element. But they were breathing in radium dust from grinding down these watch hands day after day. I think any material in that scenario would make workers ill but have you looked into radium as one of these lost useful materials that might've had similar anti-gravity or airship applications? No, I haven't looked into radium

23:26 Yeah, I do know a little bit about it. But I don't know enough to speak on it. But that kind of that framing is very familiar to me? Yes, there's a very specific set of circumstances that caused these girls to get ill you know and It's just unsafe industrial conditions which happen all the time let's look at aluminum factories and fluoride poisoning That's hugely harmful its destroyed entire communities And you hardly ever hear anything about it. You know, we don't have this hysterical reaction to aluminum but you do with radium. Dicey dicey! Yeah I think those are great points. Even how our cell phones are made today a lot of people get sick in the industrial pipeline but they just don't do it over here anymore they do it over there and then they never cover it in the media

24:24 A lot of workers on this planet are dealing with really unsafe working conditions to get us things we use every day. And we have selective outrage over the things that show up on our TV screen, on the nightly news and we ignore or are ignorant of everything else." Well outrage is a very interesting emotion it's the most powerful collective emotion that there is. It really is something that builds up over time, it accumulates. And if it's focused properly, it can really change things like you should be outraged that dirigibles were stolen from you right? If you could focus the public outrage and you could build it up enough they would be forced to bring these things back or to change the economy so the way that things are now

25:22 There's all of these events that act as sort of outrage heat sinks, that soak up outrage periodically and directs that store of resentment. That is a very powerful emotion that you know applied resentment is something that can change history and it has many times before. But there's all of these sort of, you know things like microaggressions and all of these different avenues that they've created to leech resentment into these ways that don't challenge the power structures or the economic structures. We can get back on The Good Timeline through outrage

26:13 This is one of the reasons I tell people to not really engage with, you know, the Twitter timeline too much and try not to watch news media because one of the things that they're doing is farming your outrage. They're soaking it up. You know, you need to store that up and have it unleash organically Yeah. Rather than artificially or cybernetically. Oh, such good points! I'm really glad you laid that out and i can already tell i've got more questions than we have time for but let's jump over to another one of your early posts the island of california okay This one starts with the words, The Earth is not stable. It shifts and mysteriously changes without warning. Phantom islands vanish, rivers contort and coastlines can radically reconfigure in an instant. California was an island when it was first discovered."

27:05 I like it. I like it a lot, and this gets into what kind of world this is really but let me ask you more broadly to make this case to the people that Earth as you say mysteriously shifts and changes without warning. This premise that California was an island is so radical because of the way we think of the Earth as largely settled in place And big things like this only happen over millions of years, help people understand why that line of thinking is incorrect. So I guess people don't realize that what they've been given is a very new idea about the way that the world works. It's called gradualism and pretty much everywhere in the world up until you know, the beginning of let's say the middle of the 19th century

28:02 the dominant concept of cosmology was catastrophism, was that catastrophes shaped the face of the earth. They shaped history and the human experience was defined by catastrophe as well as all life on earth until the theory of darwinism gained popularity gained traction which demanded these long spans of time for these processes to work. So they had to change the geology, and that's where you get the theory of plate tectonics and you get these sort of more static gradualist models of the world I stumbled on this when i first started reading about phantom islands and phantom islands that were seen by multiple different ships

29:01 The kind of standard idea or view of a phantom island is that you have like drunken sailors that are hallucinating these things. And that's not really what the historical record shows, it shows that people are keeping logs. These are people that are sometimes military captains, people that have high standing in society, they have reputations could really not just damage them but damage their family. It's really a kind of bizarre claim to say that the captain of a ship, of a major venture either private or military and more than one several of them are hallucinating an entire island. And you look into it and you realize like there is a lot other models out there. A lot my friends believe in the expanding earth model which

30:00 affords sudden changes. And then of course there's Velikovsky sort of cosmology where the planets and you know obviously because of the motion of the planets coming closer and farther apart very suddenly, you know you're going to change the tides, you're going to have geomagnetic effects, and that could result in very swift transformations of the landscape, such as islands disappearing sinking into the ocean. So there are a lot of different cosmographies and cosmologies that could account for this and they were pretty much the standard until Darwinism so I mean that's where I came into it but yeah there's a lot there

30:49 There is, there is. And you show many maps that have a completely disconnected California and you give reports that state the same from all the major explorers of the 1500's that the history books hold up as the best to the best but when it comes to these reports that California was disconnected in the 1500's they ignore that aspect of it. As you say and right here in this quote I have The mainstream story is that motivated by some fantastical romantic vision, all the European cosmography was confused by the tales of one or two adventures.

31:27 They would have you believe that a century of navigators were liars. You know, what else was lost in the sloppy construction of this paper mache facade? It's like you say these are serious men who are supposed to be pretty accomplished but we just think well they must have made a mistake there and it's just some nerd writing a history book who goes and says well this this and this were right and then this was wrong and we'll never talk about it again but a very curious thing. What do you think would have caused that change for California to be where it is now? Because also I wanted to say that is part of the collective consciousness, this whole idea of California breaking off and sinking into the sea like there is something to that even today that we might have a collective memory of a different time but what could've caused such a radical change? So there is definitely evidence

32:25 that at one time there was an inland sea there. You have Lake Kuhulia, or the Blake Sea which is this huge prehistoric saltwater lake stretching across Coachella and the Imperial Valley you have this sort of massive 19th century storm it went on for about 40 days from 1861 to early 1862 And they describe it they call it an atmospheric river Which to me sounds like the heavens opened up basically and water poured down. But what happened was it turned this whole area into, you know it was all underwater and this was only 180 years ago 160 years ago that this happened so this is within our own cultural memory but it's not something that's associated with that but has it happened before? So you have all of these Indian legends and myths

33:34 that describe a tidal wave coming in, sweeping houses away. All of these different legends about the Thunderbird and the whale fighting each other. So basically what they're describing is a huge storm and tectonic shifts you know all like these huge beings are fighting each other and causing these earthquakes and floods But yeah, if you look at the actual ethnographic record of the West Coast Indians along the Oregon coast and that whole area. All of them have stories that say there was a big flood

34:18 Here's one I'll read. There was a big flood before the white man's time, a huge tidal wave that struck the Oregon coast not too far back in time. The ocean rose up and huge waves swept and surged across the land. Trees were uprooted and villages were swept away." So when he says before the white man's time, he probably means before major settlement. And it's definitely possible some of these earlier explorers witnessed California in this state So yeah, there's definitely a lot of indication that this could happen even with our current models. Yes and I wanted to also ask you just about phantom islands that have vanished. I've heard about Friesland which is kind of on some maps up near Norway and Iceland in Greenland there was this other island called Friesland it even had

35:13 I believe some bullet pointed towns and maybe even some named rivers. And then it's just not on maps anymore, and that's really the only example I know but i'm always intrigued by the prospect of land that they've either kept off of maps or is on old maps and isn't there any more? The Perry Rees Map that shows Antarctica with no ice always fascinating you never know what's real and what's not. I mean, anyone can make a map of Middle Earth and then say well this is a 5,000 year old map or some weird stuff like that so you can't hang your hat on every individual map but in aggregate they add up to some puzzling mysteries What about other phantom islands that might have vanished that you know about? There are a few different ones there's Demon Island off of Nova Scotia the Devil Island

36:08 A lot of people had reports off that it's right off the coast. So there is all of these stories and reports about it, the Devil Island and there being some kind of creatures that live there that were not human. And that island completely vanished so that's a really interesting one I don't have my notes on it in front of me right here but that's what I have looked into. Yeah, that had a lot of reporting on it Like, you know, you're talking about something near the coast not in the middle of the Atlantic that somehow vanished. And this was a curious line that I hoped you could elaborate on but you write there are many more mysteries found in this region, you know, the area of California and the space between it and the mainland including the possibility

37:03 that Cibola and Cuvara, two of the mythical seven cities of gold truly existed in one form or another. What's the story there? Yeah if you look at a lot of these reports there were credible reports of people finding evidence that there were cities there that they're maybe not cities of gold but advanced civilizations that existed there if you look at just some of the reports of the islands that were supposed to exist in this inland sea, of California. The people that lived on those islands were said to have advanced technology and actually they didn't look like you know they were giants, they were bigger than normal Indians and they had pale skin and colored hair so there's definitely a lot there as far as

38:05 an entire history or prehistory of the Americas that has been completely suppressed. And you see a lot of these reports in the early Spanish explorers seem to get a lot more information out of the locals than some of the later explorer, like the Anglos for example, the English really didn't have that same rapport and that makes sense because there had already been you know, enough conflict at that time later on that they're not going to be getting any good information after a certain point. That relationship had soured right? Right. You do go pretty deep into what is described as an island of giants between the California Island and the mainland. And then you have

38:54 Some other posts that get into the history of the Explorers interacting with giants, people like Americo Vespucci and Ferdinand Magellan. Big names! They wrote about these interactions in great detail and you say Kind of again, like we talked about the narrative is that the majority of early explorers were somehow deceived that they saw the giants from a distance and exaggerated their size due to a trick up perspective. But that is an absurd supposition as these journals detail explorers were often in very close contact with these giants conversing through signs dining with them fighting them kidnapping them there is this projected cartoon of the 15th century

39:35 spellbound manlets that had never seen a tall person before. But explorers were often some of the fittest sailors, knights and gentlemen heights of six feet would not be uncommon even more perversely we see the diseased minds of modern historians psychologizing the testimony of these men at task they are dreadfully ill equipped to fulfill." Yeah that is something I always ran across it's like these guys are historians you know Let's be honest, most people in the humanities call it the dreadful science. It's really not science – it's a narrative. It's something that you're supporting a sort of greater regime narrative is really what you're doing. You're a toady. It's not real science. Pretty much everybody knows that they are reading old books and very few of them are doing original research

40:31 And then, on top of all that even though they don't have degrees in psychology which I don't even believe in psychology most of it's ridiculous but these guys just take it upon themselves to start psychologizing the experience of these people. Like they're going to successfully somehow model the way that these people saw the world after they have gone from elementary school to middle school to high school straight into university and then became professors and got tenure. And they've lived inside of the academy their entire lives, you know? Who have they even met who could that guy even successfully model as far as like put his theory of mind put himself in the shoes of some other person could he even do it to like the guy that fixes his car? You know, could he probably not but he's going to presume to do that too these early explorers which are

41:34 a type of human being that most academics will never encounter. academic men with contempt for strong adventuring men. Yeah, and their ego allows them to rewrite the story as they see fit and when you're talking about centuries of time who knows how often that occurred and shaped the narrative but why would this aspect of history be such a secret 11 foot tall people are interesting but why must that be suppressed do you think where might that line of inquiry lead

42:12 The best way to illustrate this is to look at the early world's fairs, where they had this sort of timeline set up. Where you had the small diminutive primitive man, you know, the sort of pygmies and people living in the jungle things like that and then there was this sort of linear progression that culminates on the industrial European man And that's morphed over time and it's become something quite different. But that general linear progression from the primitive caveman to industrial technological man is sort of the founding mythology of our civilization, and if you look at the level of sophistication—you know not just their size but all kinds of things that these people had—that kind of theory of evolution doesn't really make sense

43:19 you're looking at people that were hardier, that had very good dexterity. They were in many ways defied the current theory of evolution and the founding mythologies. I think that's one of the main reasons and also it reaffirms biblical scriptural history as well because a lot of these if you look at Native American in North and South America, the mythology surrounding giants are very similar to old world mythologies about giants. They're sort of related to stories of the Giants becoming kind of cannibalistic, of them being something that was like intermixed or from a previous period of creation and that they were punished by the gods or that they all drowned in a huge flood event. And by

44:23 early sort of antiquarians in America drew these parallels a lot. A lot of the early ethnographers and antiquarians and historians that were looking at the mounds in North America noticed that, you know there was all these parallels to the Bible. And I think that's another reason why Academia kind of wanted to kibosh on that Mm-hmm. I agree you cite in your work and a lot of other areas when someone is an atheist, and they're important figure in crafting a part of mythology in their sector You just make note of it And I also have kind of come around to the idea that the atheist movement in the 90s had an agenda and so many things Want to take us away from that as much as possible remove spirituality have us worshiping at the altar of science

45:18 with the priest class of the white lab coat and all that. I mean, it's really not arbitrary and Tall people, giants might seem like a weird thing to suppress from our current perspective. But when you're crafting a narrative for people it's very important to suppress things that counteract that narrative that were more accepted in their day so its not arbitrary from the point where your talking about where the world fairs start this industrial man is being crafted And that mythology, it would be a big wrench in it to be like well there were bigger stronger more robust people that aren't included in this timeline and this trajectory of man. But you know obviously it has a role and I think if you pull on that thread more and more weird things start unraveling and this kind of speaks to one of them

46:08 You have another great post called Empire of the Skinwalker, and it's interesting for several reasons. I mean you show how Stonehenge is very much manipulated. Cranes were used to rearrange the stones in 1901 then there was more quote unquote preservation work done in 1914 and virtually every stone was removed off site then re-erected reposition according to a esoteric agenda and embedded in concrete between 1901 and 1964 So that's one major interesting thing in this post. But what's more interesting is all the megalithic stone circles that were in place before they were toppled or destroyed by the Christians, you say of an estimated 50,000 megaliths only 10,000 remain today these large impressive stones would have been everywhere emanating an air of mystery occasionally sparking off with druid fire and plasmoids

47:04 There are no meaningful theories that I could find. No one thinks about it." And that's well said, I am curious about these stone circles as a technology and how they might generate energy or have more usefulness in a plasma universe context maybe at technology of the giants? Maybe devices that facilitated contact with plasma beams what do you think? Let's start from perception right people have this idea of an objective reality. And that really is just a sort of theory, a concept because we have our organs of perception and they really don't reveal any kind of objective reality you can walk down your own neighborhood, walk down a city street 100 times and not see some hidden little building or doorway that could lead you to something very interesting

48:00 But if you just have a different vibe that day, you put yourself into a different kind of mode of perception. You'd be amazed at the things that you can see that are around in your neighborhood that you've just walked by every single day and scale that up to an age of discovery to people establishing narratives for the new world or for their own countries. And you start to see the way that something that's very obvious if you have one model of reality can be completely concealed. So there is this one idea that the Atlanteans, after or some kind of precursor civilization after it was destroyed or fell they sent out emissaries all over the world to kind of restart civilization and they brought various technologies with them This is sort of like doing comparative mythology study and its pretty well established that some event like this did happen

48:58 in the past. And part of that was the stone, the Cyclopean architecture that you see all over the world and you can look at that as a sort of an astro-theological computer like a global system that would show you like would reveal a sort of hidden history to the world just by mapping it out and putting it all together. And some people have been trying to do that And that whole thing gets wiped off the map when they try to tell you that the dolmens and the anomalous stone structures in North America were caused by glaciers. Like, the glaciers built these dolmens somehow even though no one's ever seen a glacier build a dolman they just say it so now you have huge pieces of that puzzle missing of that model of reality and it just doesn't work because

49:58 Now you have this cultural blindness to this astrotheological machine that was erected by this precursor civilization. So you have one world that's enchanted with this legacy, this mythology, that has been prepared for you and then you have this other sort of disenchanted world where they just make these bizarre claims that don't have anything supporting them. They're just saying things, but because they have the media and they all you know agree with each other they create this sort of Freemasonry, this freemasonry of mediocrity where they push this disenchanted view of reality and get people to accept it no? No those are just random rocks. Hmm yes! Yes okay I

50:49 I don't know if that came across correctly or not, but... No. Well, I think it's important context for sure but i do think that there is something else to be said about these stone circles as a technology when you restore the plasma context and the reason I talked about your work on Stonehenge is because of this radical reconstruction so they maybe they break the technology, put it back together and say look at what the ancients did several thousand years ago. Oh they were the Druids and all this and that's a whole thread that gets into British history and the Druids and what they wanted to establish but what's more intriguing is what kind of technology this could have been itself? To add a little more context you say this theme which is often repeated in regard to The Faye is reminiscent of David Politis formula

51:41 Boulders or other large stone formations associated with water. According to Paulides, many strange unexplained disappearances are densely correlated with such features in indigenous folklore water is often linked with ancient stone circles or certain insoled stones for example the fishermen on the Isle of Skye washed reverenced stones they called story people to improve the weather conditions. As far back as ancient Mesopotamia, certain rituals were held to purify stones. These rituals normally included submerging the stones in water along with such purification items as cedar salt and tamarisk thus consecrated. The stones were then made into necklaces which were worn until illnesses were cured

52:26 Wow, just a lot of strange details. But do you think these stone circles stones maybe have a lot of qualities but these stone circles may be were gateways or communication devices with these plasma beans? These Megonians perhaps we talked about last time Yeah You could think of it as a portal Or you could think of it as sort of changing the field of probability in an area where It's more probable that you're going to see visual evidence of the electrodynamic ecology that's all around us. You're going to see electrodynamic entities appear in front of you, because it seems there needs to be certain kinds of a certain set of circumstances right but on such and such a day

53:19 the planets have to be aligned, the stars have to be in this position. And then you see this phenomenon, you see the Fae, you see the Will-O'-Wisps appear and I think there's a couple different ways that you can look at it like a portal to another dimension but it's... To me it's more that the stone warps the field of probability and allows them to manifest and allows you to perceive them because there are a lot of things that sort of lock into each other You know, people can look at something. If you're in the wrong sort of perceptual mode you can look right at something that doesn't fit into your model for reality and just tune it out. You might just see a flash of light and then you'll just know that's not there that can't be real. And then there are other levels of sort of amping that up sort of warping the probability, the field of probability in that area where

54:19 you go into it, you go into that experience and it's not just a will-o'-whisper or a ball of light of electricity like a plasmoid in some sort of indefinite shape. It actually starts to communicate with you and take on shape and form and it starts to look like something maybe humanoid or maybe some kind of chimera depending on the personality of the energy so yeah I suppose you can think of it as a portal to another dimension. I think of it more as sort of perceptual modes and a field of probability, like there's another way to explain this if you've ever noticed when you have stories of people having visions or reaching higher levels of consciousness they always go into the cave they go into the wasteland they go into the desert because what they're doing is they're manifesting a different field of probability

55:24 If you went out into an area where there's no one else around, there is no one else organizing their intention and sort of bringing things down into the baseline circle of mundanity. And if you go out into these areas, you can have all kinds of spectacular rare events UFOs You can see all kinds of things that let's say if you were with a big group people, you're not going to have that same experience So what the stone circle does is it creates that, it has that same effect of a sort of rarefied field of probability but in a more organized setting. In a way you can think of it as a portal

56:23 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense and I think that was explained well. So there's one more log on the electroplasma fire i want to try to squeeze into what we can call the first hour but You have one other great early post that might relate to giants, biology and the real forces of our reality that have been suppressed. And that is Arcadia in the electro field you write about two scientists that were exhibiting their work on an old TV show in the 1980s they had brought back to life some ancient fungus like organisms by exposing them to an electrostatic field

56:59 Then they showed the same thing with ferns, basically bringing back a type of fern that we only see in fossils. They also did experiments with rainbow trout that when exposed to the field grew three times larger and looked more primordial with red gills and stronger jaws. And you say that the Siba group checked the discoveries of its scientists, patented the process and immediately stopped further research. That's something we've heard here before but what do you think these guys were on to? And what does it say about this world?" It says that I think that the...what I call the electromagnetic ecology has changed over time. You may have heard about giant dragonflies and megafauna existing in the past and there are a lot of theories about how there is less oxygen

57:51 But I think probably what has changed is the electromagnetic ecology, that sort of the cosmic system has...I don't want to say degraded but yeah that's pretty much what it is. There's more entropy in the system at this point and things are shrinking and becoming you know a little bit I guess sort of trying to conserve energy because there's less ambient energy in the system as a kind of simplified way of thinking about it And what the electrophile technology does essentially is it reintroduces a sort of primitive, you know, more primordial electromagnetic situation at the moment of conception or at the moment of germination. You could definitely use this technology on humans

58:45 Right, right. You actually say that here I was going to read this it speaks to obviously the possibility of radical change based on the electrostatic environment and that genes are less important to isolate and swap in and out but its more a symbiotic relationship between DNA genes and the electroenvironment and the quote is imagine humans after a few generations breeding in the electrostatic field What strange powers and abilities, long disused might be unlocked. Unique traits crushed under eons of various orthodoxies purged by the decrepit priest crafts of Egypt and Atlantis as they reached the end of their respective eras eager to obscure those divine endowments that made the shallowness of their

59:30 Sophistorates apparent. There is nothing stopping us from using this technology despite the almost total blackout on the subject there are a few garage scientists uploading videos to YouTube and proving the electro field works! This technology is being developed by Russian and Chinese scientists now Man, lost technology held back only by what we think is possible seems to be the theme of the day. But elaborate on how you think this mechanism could explain some of the radical descriptions from Atlantis perhaps or even giants and what could you say about any work going on today that you have seen? So at the moment that European explorers were encountering giants all over the world, Giants were already in decline according

1:00:17 you know, local legends and ethnographies. They were already sort of dying out and I think it's just... decline of the giants is part of this change in the electromagnetic ecology so if you changed that environment, you know, you did it willfully, I'm sure you could produce these more archaic forms of humans, larger more robust. And I would have to say As far as the, I have my friends on Twitter that are more into this than I am. That are experimenting with different things like this with electromagnetism and Tesla technology but yeah a lot of farmers especially in France seem to be using this technology and have been using this technology for

1:01:14 I think in the uninterrupted span, there's been no point where they haven't been developing it. I have a couple of links up on the Schwab stack about people using what they call electroculture. It's a whole community of people growing things. Wow! Yeah all it really is sort of creating this natural static electric field which existed in the past and I guess re-instantiating it artificially Well, it's like what Tesla said about everything being vibration and frequency. And electricity? It's really just it is like a radio dial I suppose Yeah! And its like you're tuning into a different density A different frequency of the primeval vital impetus So you have some guy like Henry Bergson He was what they call a vitalist and he had this idea of evolution that was

1:02:13 it was a spiritual idea of evolution. He called it creative evolution, there's this quote he says, "...this impetus sustained right along the lines of evolution among which it gets divided is the fundamental cause of variations at least of those that are regularly passed on that accumulate and create new species." So he had this theory of this sort of moment of creation that is God speaking reality into being And from that comes this line of the Ilan Vital, and all of the different forms of life are sort of tessellations of that original line of creation extending from the beginning of time. So you have to imagine there's like a main highway, a central pillar that you can realign yourself to and I think that's what this technology can do. It sort

1:03:16 pulls you back under the, if you imagine that we're in a giant terrarium. There's the heat lamp that sort of keeping a certain part of the terrarium basically identic it's at its most optimal state but we've sort of in this timeline we've kind of drifted apart due to entropy but yeah there's definitely ways back to the good timeline like I said before I love that. And it's true that we are in a degraded state and its largely because of the way that the rulers of this world have steered it, they want us to be weak and dumb and thus over time we've become weaker and dumber you even have the suggestion

1:04:07 that might be partly where the giants went. We know that a lot of them died out in big battles or were wiped out in these big battles, or maybe the flood thing but you also suggest that perhaps the importing of a European diet stunted the growth of what were left over a few generations and I hadn't considered that but I do find it plausible. Okay so there's a couple things about that if you look at the original Pigatheta he talks about the giants living on raw flesh and whole foods, not even bothering to skin animals. So you know you think about whole food that's whole right? so our sort of squeamishness about animals and like eating all of it eating the whole thing yeah the liver liver all of the organs the brain all of the different parts that's definitely something that's completely been engineered

1:05:06 Yeah, just a sign of decadence and weirdness. The fact that every animal every single predator in the world goes straight for the internal organs after they complete a hunt because that's the most nutrient dense area of the creature and we're just only eating muscle meat like that's a huge sign that we've sort of diverged from the path. And there's all of these signs that once the giants were fed like, the food that the Europeans brought with them they instantly got sick and started to decline and a lot of them were like kidnapped and taken to be paraded around on display. That's right yeah but they would die because they couldn't survive the journey. They couldn't adapt

1:06:01 to this really decadent, degraded diet that we live on. I think that's another reason why they sort of suppress the actual reality of the lives of some of these people, of race giants and things like that because of the way they lived was exactly plugged in their size, the way they looked... You can see the kinds of food that they ate and the way they lived you see why they were so robust There's also some studies as well of nutrition and physical degradation, especially early on when people were first studying in the Age of Discovery or the Age of Colonization. They were looking at the effects like when we would come across a sort of primitive tribe of sugar and food—processed foods—on these tribes what would happen? And there are a lot

1:07:05 a big supply of information about that. That's not controversial, so here's this quote from one of Columbus' scribes that he had. So Columbus seems to be—no I think Columbus wrote this himself actually, this was from his journal—Columbus seems to be aware that the cure for influenza was a change of terrain and fresh meat." So this is him writing back to the king and queen so you will tell their highness that the people here when we arrived were not for the greater part suddenly ill and suffering. Furthermore, as we have seen those who went inland to explore most of them fell ill and had to return. We were afraid the same was to happen to those now healthy these people are convalescing promptly because they only feel well in the lands of certain chieftains

1:07:58 It is true that if they had fresh meat to help convalesce, they would be standing up quickly with God's help. And most of them have recovered entirely by this time." So you have this narrative that there were plagues of influenza but if you read the original documentation and reporting from people that were there, they say it's because them being enslaved, them being underfed, uh being moved to different areas and a lack of fresh food. A lack of fresh meat so that's a big part of it as well the nutrition aspect.

1:08:36 Yeah, I think that is still in play today. Now we call it exporting the American diet all the corporate food around the world and we look at the effects on the Philippines and other areas that have erected KFCs and Burger Kings and it ain't good! So you know scale that back to a different time and I think it also makes sense and Carnivore Aurelius has taught me much and he's right on this kind of path as well but man so As we're coming to the end of the line, I'm going to quote the author's note at the end of that post. Free listeners won't have the context of all the previous Metacosmos talk but i think they can figure it out you say The next step will be to build our own metacosmos of our own design To this and I will be focusing more on suppressed technology and history

1:09:23 Dirigibles, giants and hidden lands. I will be exploring pseudo histories myths underground civilizations and Atlantis we will be developing our own chronology and getting back to the good timeline." I love it! Clearly this whole interview is a sort of preview that exact trajectory that you want to take And its the stuff I enjoy most elaborate on this lofty goal and really just your future plans for the sub stack before we go Yeah, I did really feel as I was finishing this article what you said about taking things away from people. And I do want to kind of give back or create and generate an alternative or at least be a part of that process. I obviously can't do it by myself but I do want to push for and make my own product be something that does

1:10:22 secure enchantments for my audience. That the direction of pseudo histories, for one is very interesting to me I've looked at this before and i have this suspicion that a lot of pseudo histories can be proven you know? I can look at some of these traditions of Atlantis or Arthurian legends Or even Agartha for example And find ways into that universe that there are like portals, there are documents. There's a comparative mythology case. There's all of these different ways that you can establish the reality of these so-called pseudo histories. So yeah we can find our way to the ruins of Atlantis. We can develop our own chronology because the chronology that was there it doesn't lead to the good timeline. If we just create or reorganize this chronology that we can establish

1:11:29 with our own histories that we develop, with our own fiction as well. We can sort of re-enchant the timeline and that's yeah that's my goal right now. I love it wow well Schwab once again i had a great time! I've said before to people who really enjoy this show that i'm really just a talent scout of sorts. I have no primary work but i think i'm good at finding the ones who do it best and you are on the top shelf man Thank you very much. I really appreciate it, and I had a great time man thank you! Great well you know i find a lot of great people but of course they have to agree to come on to complete the circuit so I appreciate it very much swabstack.substack.com is where the writing can be found and at real human Schwab on twitter is where communication can be facilitated anything else to add?

1:12:21 No, that's it. That's all my information." Great! You can find me on Twitter. I do Twitter spaces where I bring some of my friends on and a lot of people that are in my circle have different ways of describing like the things that i'm talking about they're sort of along the ride with me and it sometimes helps to participate in that because there's a lot of different angles that are supplied by some of these guys, that some ways that are really good for helping to complete your understanding of some of these ideas and these concepts. Yeah yeah maybe that's where I'll find my next great guest! Yep i'll definitely have to tune in but yeah keep up the great work man cheers to getting into The Good Timeline and I hope we can do it again sometime thank you very much

1:13:15 Take me home country roads, returning to the well of Schwab because we know the water satisfies the thirst. And a big thanks again to Damn My Eyes for that version of the intro song I like it! I like it alot If you have a musical forte send your own version at thehighersidechatsatgmail.com But as I've said before, very happy to have found Schwab. Glad he got enough good feedback to do it again and i expect him to be a prominent figure in the counterculture for quite some time! As I said, one of my few talents is that I know how to pick them and can produce great episodes when the talent is willing to do so. I'm looking at you Miles Mathis and Robert Seffer...I'm looking at YOU!

1:14:11 But even just since the time we recorded this, Schwab put out a great post called The Super Spectral Ecology and he kicks it off with a great quote that speaks to exactly the sort of thing I was getting at in the second hour by bringing up Diana Pasulka's American Cosmic and some of her conclusions. As the great Jacques Vallée said, the phenomenon—meaning UFO phenomenon—is a metasystem not a bunch of spacecraft It adapts to its environment like the cinema does. Think of the movie industry as a meta-system, we just need to find the projector. Mm mm mm good stuff! So do check out The Schwab Stack you will not be disappointed

1:14:58 I'm personally a subscriber so i'm not sure where posts might cut off for non-subscribers or which ones are free and which ones are paid. But if you're a THC fan, I don't suspect there's any better sub stack to be subscribed to! He kills it and he deserves to make a living doing this!! I'm really glad we could spend some time on those earlier posts of his the airship stuff is really great as is the island of California and both posts benefit greatly from the visual reference. And in fact, the next THC you'll hear is the result of a deep dive I did after Schwab's first appearance when he brought up the book Cold War Anthropology and its author David Price. It's pretty good! He certainly knows his material well but he is also a liberal progressive academic and that comes with it's own viewpoint on some things

1:15:57 But yes, as we started out today we did go pretty deep on the Hindenburg post but didn't really outline all the reasons it's suspicious or what would have caused the fire because I looked at the time and just wanted to make sure that we could get some of the other stuff on the outline. So I kind of pushed it along but as he said, the Hindenburg had gone back and forth over 30 plus times. It didn't warrant this gaggle of media awaiting its arrival And here's just a bit more about it from his post. So the former head of the Zeppelin company as well as the commander of the naval air station at Lakehurst and the captain of the Hindenburg, all three suspected sabotage as well as most of these surviving crew

1:16:46 He also noted that more than 20 years after the explosion, the airship's surviving captain Max Pruss was telling interviewers he believed the cause was sabotage. And I'd always heard that the real story behind this story is it was hit with an incendiary round which would half explain why no footage of the moment the fire started has ever been shown despite all media presence Obviously, I don't know much about the mechanics of these airships so it is probably best to just use the term sabotage. It covers quite a bit of ground but in retrospect when you examine the details of the story it fits so well with other events we know of now The motive is there and I've always thought this was an interesting story that pretty much goes overlooked But Schwab takes those implications to the nth degree And that's important

1:17:41 If you remember, we did a couple shows on the Hindenburg back in the day. The main one being an episode with a fella named Kenneth M Price Jr who reached out after the John Hamer show about the Titanic and he had worked in the oil industry for many years I believe he was an engineer as well And he thought there was something suspicious with all this It was really good episode that always stuck with me and get this I just looked it up to see when it was, having really no idea. It could have been any time but it happened to come out on March 31st of 2017 six years to the exact day which to me is the universe telling us we're onto something but man so strange what else is there to say Schwab makes for a great dance partner and I'm glad to get this out at the end of March because April's gonna be a bit precarious

1:18:39 I just know that...I can't focus as much as usual. It's cross-country moving month, but I am gonna give you the best shows I can and things will be much more normalized on the other side, I'm sure Also, I got a ton of great responses to the lead in the water conundrum that i'm dealing with Why is there lead in the water? Of a brand new construction house with a brand new well when the well water tests clean. Hmm, well I'll spare you all the details but basically the THC audience is spread far and wide and i had about a dozen quality responses that confirmed the couple of places that i had narrowed things down to responses from people who have great credentials in this area including the wife of someone who works for the Florida Health Department

1:19:35 It's crazy how many THC fans are out there in the world and I guess our eyes are everywhere. So, i'm just pleasantly surprised that when I asked for advice on such a specific issue something I really don't ever really like to do The audience is large enough that some heavy hitter experts were able to give me added insight and confirm the suspicions Long story short, I think we replaced a few faucets and all is well. And the deal is gonna go through! But because the timeline got changed and we had to move back the closing which means we had to move back the pod which means we had to move back the cross-country drive All of the planning that I did was out of whack. Now I have to try to reschedule most of the guests on deck We'll just see how that goes

1:20:27 But at least I got you a killer episode before the storm truly rolls in for me. Subscribe to his sub stack, check out his Twitter spaces if you're unfamiliar with that format it's basically... A Q&A kind of podcast like structure? All done live through Twitter whenever he feels the itch i don't think he has a schedule for it but keep an eye out And if you feel you aren't getting enough THC, I hope you're a plus member because we go deeper in the second hour each and every time. Today we talked about Joseph Scallinger and chronology creation The Metacosmos superorganism What it would look like if Tolkien had created a religion after writing his fiction like L Ron Hubbard Dangers of the ironic imagination Occult machinations Effectiveness in the Twilight Mind

1:21:21 science fiction's effect on military intelligence, parsing the Shaver mystery in Hollow Earth literature and so much more. Man Schwab's Metacosmos post is complex and super dense and thorough but it was good to talk about he makes a lot of points that are often overlooked when it comes to the function of fiction and artificial world-building And I'm in total agreement about his point that we should get out more, explore and investigate more. The primary function of material reality is experience and i think that experience should be vast varied and fully embraced Break up your routine in radical ways go forth and live damn it! Shed the shallow distractions of our time that hijack your system to simulate artificial adventure

1:22:10 This is a spirit I totally used to embrace more. In early episodes, I would say to guests all the time well if this area is really an interest of the inner earth let's just go or when I get some money we're gonna fly over Antarctica and see what's what you know some things are more realistic than others but I wanted to see myself and the audience engage in more field work basically The evidence for that is still there in an atrophied forum thread called The THC Explorers Club I built it, but they didn't come. The joint sessions shows as rare as they are were also designed to be built of messages from listener experience and little stories from your own adventures although most of my messages are just praise and compliments And as thankful as i am...I don't know who wants to hear that besides my mom of course But let's light that spark again! I'm about to move across the country I'm excited to check out places like Coral Castle

1:23:12 and all the sites of interest on the other side of the country, and you should be going forth in your own life too. But speaking of getting out let's look at the meetup calendar at highersidemeetups.com and see where THC fans are congregating over the next few weeks! Tomorrow April 1st we have The Conspiracy Theorizers at The High Springs Brewing Company in High Springs Florida April 8th, the Stay Golden event in Sedona Arizona at the Sundower Barn Grill. April 15th, the Ticknall Walk in Ticknall Derby United Kingdom and April 20th, the LA Truth Meetup at Flame International

1:23:56 So at least two of those four are recurring and that's a beautiful thing to see. I wish we had more than four for the whole month of April, but if you feel the energy welling up just make an event with a few weeks notice decide on any place that you think is interesting to you locally or just hang out and support a local business another THC fans will show up and you'll expand your network just like that nothing interesting ever happens at home people get out in the world I hear a lot of good feedback from these meetups. If you heard the Mount Shasta event Q&A on the Plus Member bonus content page, someone in that crowd mentioned and joined the meetups if you need proof. Trust but verify and all that! But i hope and expect Schwab to be buried in an avalanche of digital praise this week let him have it real human schwab on twitter...I'm getting out of here so many boxes to pack and so little time

1:24:56 Take care of you and yours, adventure awaits. I've done my part! Your move airship annihilators giant people suppressors and entities of the electromagnetic ecology. When I get down i eat a bunch of corporate junk that makes your bat-street wrong got an addiction to the digital technology then I try to quit and let it sit discipline is only half the spirit in every one