Ryan Patrick Burns | Skinwalker Ranch Updates, Communing With The Trickster, & The Magic of P. B. Randolph

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01:36 Brace yourself for another wild ride from sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and right now it feels as if we have enough political scandals and corruption sagas to last us a lifetime, but just beyond the big circus clown show there are mysterious paranormal places in strange beans that continue to defy logic Are they helping us, hurting us, taking our children, extracting our genetic material guardians of the forest beings from beneath the surface leftover energy from a cultist that didn't close the ritual right or life forms clawing their way into this dimension from somewhere else? Have they made deals with the Capstone Cabal or do they see no need. We hear all sorts of perspectives from all sorts of experiencers and researchers and it feels like you can still make a good case for all these things and more

02:22 And of all the hotbeds for such activity, none is quite as well known or well studied as the infamous Skinwalker Ranch in Utah. Well, today we're talking once again to the man who owns a property that neighbors Skinwalker Ranch has hosted members of the Invisible College on their research trips including Jacques Vallee and has been conducting his own research into what's going on in this strange landscape why government scientists deep state contractors occultists and aerospace engineers are so preoccupied with it and what they might know about it. He's the host of the Hero Paranormal podcast and since we last spoke on air in 2019, he has learned a lot more about the place and even started his own company Space Wolf Research LLC.

03:03 He's written a lot about the area in his books, The Utah UFO Ranch and Shapeshifter Territory. And I'm certainly psyched to dive back in and get an update from our man on the ground! The Skinwalker Ranch Researcher Hero Paranormal Podcaster and Certified Space Wolf Ryan Patrick Burns welcome back Thank you, Greg and appreciate the wonderful introduction man. Can't be beat love those introductions. Thank you. This is great man Our first interview was back in the much simpler world of 2019 And since that time You have been kind enough to send me little bits of information here and there and we even have you to thank for a couple Of the paranormal II shows we've done since then with people like Ryan Musgrave Evans and Trey Hudson So thanks for that

03:50 Back in 2019, there wasn't a show about it yet and the Skinwalker Ranch was just in the process of changing hands. Although actually this seems to have happened much earlier according to the wiki In 2016 Bigelow sold Skinwalker Ranch to Adamantium Real Estate LLC which you did tell us And then after this purchase Rhodes leading to the ranch were blocked and the peri by cameras and barbed wire posted that aimed to pre who you were calling just the Wolverine back then, actually announced ownership of the ranch. So there we have it. We know the guy's name and we know he probably did all this trademarking of the term Skinwalker Ranch to try to capitalize on the TV show. Well bring us up to speed how have things changed since we last spoke? What insights can you give us from living next door that we wouldn't get anywhere else?

04:49 Yeah, a ton has changed as you said since 2019 July of 2019 I purchased sort of a base camp known as Space Wolf Research LLC. It's adjacent there to the south border and it's interesting because since then obviously a lot has come forward that is no longer guarded or considered things that should be kept in the shadows so we can speak more openly about it such as the owner's name, who I called The Wolverine. That is Brandon and the paranormal reputation of the area located there in Uintah County it's popularly dubbed the most scientifically studied hotspot in the world and a lot of the folklore surrounding the area for decades comes from NIDS, The National Institute Of Discovery Science

05:44 who was under Robert Bigelow's control, and whose members did a ton of research there. A lot of which believe it or not was occult and by that I mean the use of Ouija boards and other occult practices because they were getting data so for somebody like me this really stirs the pot You have people such as the quote unquote, father of non lethal weaponry. Colonel John Alexander who was studying there on the property was obviously tied to the government and also working with nids and we have strange goings on such as cattle mutilations that have been part of the folklore in the surrounding area for decades And with the new ownership adamantium real estate

06:42 We have, obviously after this purchase a very popularized and well-received television show. So things have changed A LOT! You know we used to have some of the ultimate spooks and extreme occult practices taking place on the property in secret finding things out What is interesting is whatever Bigelow did find out he gave not one iota to the new owner and he made that very clear in the documentation that zero data would be transferred. And this is kind of a mark of Bigelows, The type of business he does. He's very, very serious about his research and I believe the ranch was just a tool with which

07:37 He was able to gather whatever research data he needed for his next conquest, which it seems like he's taken on a quite larger thing now with BICS. Which is basically a study for consciousness Bigelow Institute for Consciousness Studies and BICS is really asking the deepest darkest hardest questions humanity has why are we here? Is there life after death and what is really going on in the greater scheme of things. So it's very consciousness-based, and since my purchase of Space Wolf Research that base camp on the South Boundary I started sort of meeting interesting people as is usually the case with these things. I met a very interesting person who has desired to remain unnamed, and I met him through a mutual friend Jeremy Corbell

08:37 and this gentleman is from back east, and he was also interested in investigating and studying sort of this consciousness aspect. And doing so through technological means as many know there are technologies that lend themselves to consciousness studies such as the God Helmet which is basically a helmet that was designed by Dr. Persinger, if you've come across that and it was originally designed to help stroke victims and the like however there's a strange connection in Persinger's career

09:19 how this led up to this photobiomodulation helmet type technology. And the strange thing is when you put this technology on a great deal of the people who wear the quote-unquote God Helmet have spiritual experiences so it really asks the question, What is going on? Is this all in our heads or are our heads able to gather and grasp things that our regular senses cannot. And this gentleman, I ended up selling him 14 acres of the property and he has also delved into Anja Lamp type studies while after purchasing the property

10:09 And that is an interesting technology as well. The Anja Lamp is basically a technology that can also be used for consciousness studies and it's said to mimic the effects of DNT, yet in a technological form something you can switch on and off without the long drawn out not-to-mention biological repercussions. He sets up a tent for lack of better word very dark light proof tent on the premises and fires up these technologies, this Angelamp technology which interestingly is said to have been invented or created by a Catholic priest who claims he channeled all the information on how to create it.

10:57 didn't have the background really to do it. So that's very interesting, but yeah the property it's been just an array of strange activity on my side of the fence as well as my close friends who is basically doing his thing on the other side we still have a very open door policy with one another and he's gathered a lot of information as well and since July of 2019 when I originally purchased property. I've added some acreage to it since heading towards the east, which is actually pretty exciting that happened this year and we've had some pretty unbelievable unexplainable events take place. Hell yeah give us an example of like one of those events okay the most mind-blowing well it sounds kind of cheesy to say that you have the objects in the sky basically all the time which

11:59 I think I've sent you some of those images, but I can send you more. It's a pretty fairly common scenario that you have these unidentified aerial phenomena during the day or at night that quite easily caught on camera and that's evidence in itself. But then you have other strange things for example, a cabin and 40 foot RV that I placed on the property was vaporized during the day by quite literally a bolt of energy So something akin to a lightning bolt and by vaporized I mean the only things left were literally molten metal, glass on the ground. Nothing left of this 40-foot massive RV and i had a exploration team out just the weekend before Crider Exploration And then I was supposed to be out there actually when this thing hit but I got backed up and thank goodness I wasn't there

13:01 So that happened and in almost the same area or same location we had basically I brought in a large 40-foot steel container to place all the technology and kind of a quick fix be able to lock it all up. And, I placed it in roughly the same location also to test and see if it too would be hit by lightning And it has not been hit by lightning. I don't believe that's a common thing in the middle of the day But what has happened is that 40 foot long 8,700 pound container was quite literally moved from an east-west facing direction to a north south facing direction and almost just for fun

13:54 Damn, it seemed to be airlifted. It appears that there are no tire marks drag marks Any telltale signs not even so much as a blade of grass seem disturbed? It was just no longer facing east to west its now facing north to south And it's stuff like that, that just really kind of keeps me interested. Yeah yeah those are interesting bits of information but what about contact with whatever this is? I'm still unsure if it's a portal place where multiple types of intelligences seem to bleed in or if there's one

14:31 big entity. I talked to Greg Little after the release of his last book that he wrote with Andrew Collins, and Andrew Collins says he thinks that it is a blanket of consciousness that kind of covers the whole area as if it's one big etheric entity and that's a perspective that is interesting but I really just don't know and I'm curious your thoughts? And if there's been any mind-to-mind communication where we can get a sense If it's one thing, if it's many things and what the logic is an agenda is of this otherworldly force. Such a great question Greg you never underestimate with the questions I just figure let's get into it Let's do it! Let's roll up our sleeves And I'm glad that you asked that question because It is one of those larger questions that much like NIDS under Bigelow

15:29 diving into the cult to get these answers. I've also done somewhat of a deep dive, especially literally into literature with Navajo witchcraft, Native American skinwalker witchcraft and related phenomena reading books by Clyde Cluckone Joan Teller Norman Blackwater really hard to find texts that delineate step-by-step what these dark adepts are doing to achieve this shape-shifting quote unquote biological technology that they assume in their witchcraft. And to get back to your question as far as what it is we're dealing with, I think that –I love Gregory Little by the way– I think that he is right in one aspect that this is a blanket of consciousness or intelligence however I think that it merges in a way

16:30 that is difficult to explain, much like the Bible speaks of the gods as the Elohim. Yet the Elohim are also what make up the Godhead so it is sort of one in the same and I find that it gets super tricky because You have all of these negative and positive, malevolent and benevolent activities that can take place in the area. And there is a trickster mentality to a lot of the malevolent but there's also something I like to call it friends when i go to the area. I gathered that from someone else that term and when I asked why do you call them friends he said well it's better than calling him enemies

17:26 You have to go in with an open mind, set boundaries. Be very protected no matter what your religion is you have to say prayers of protection Say I'm willing to engage Engage with the phenomena or the intelligence this non-corporeal Intelligence of sorts which is precognitive Which makes it very difficult to engage with because it can know your settings and what you're thinking literally before you do it So it's quite pre-cognitive, and it kind of sees you coming a mile away. But it does appear that this intelligence of sorts has not only a sense of humor, which is super awesome but this aspect of liking to play the game. It has this trickery mentality almost childlike at times where it just wants to engage and that I get

18:23 In the bigger scheme of things, just the fact that there's contact whatsoever is so phenomenal to me. But yet the fact that it wants it makes it not easier and makes it a little harder because you don't know where it's going with this particular contact each time it occurs. And to give you an example on a recent trip – I actually took my mother on this trip I had kind of bedded down for the night in this small cabin there at the base camp, it's Space Wolf. And we hear some sounds outside and it sounds like my car door is opening and closing which this is nothing special these types of trickery mechanisms happen quite often but they don't always lead somewhere so I got up I said oh mom that sounds like somebody's getting into my car and I said but don't worry it probably isn't it's probably just messing around and that's no big deal

19:22 And I noticed these lights swirling around the vehicle. Of course, as I turned to close the door and come out and really investigate there's no lights they disappear they vanish. Then in the distance not too far away i would say about 20 yards 15 yards I see a spotlight come out from around the angular corner of this container this 40-foot container that we spoke of And it looks like a flashlight coming down from the top corner of the container towards the ground. So I say, well maybe there is somebody out here? I walk over towards this beam of light and there is zero point-of-origin As I try to come around angularly around the corner of the container It evades ever so slightly as though I can never see a point-of-origin Now when I get too close it will turn off

20:26 and there's zero beam of light. By now my mom has gotten up to see what's going on, she's come out onto the little porch and she sees the inside of the car all of the dash and screens etcetera inside the vehicle are emanating colors that are not usual for the vehicle like very bright different rainbow colored colors so she thinks i'm in the car It had a very heavy tint on the vehicle so she went up to the window and looked inside and could tell I was not in the vehicle. And then looked over, and i'm standing in this beam of light because at this point I literally just went to stand IN THE BEAM OF LIGHT to see if I could feel anything... ...and I noticed that I could not cast a shadow in this beam of light! So I called her over like, Mom you gotta check this out this is SO AWESOME!"

21:18 So she came over, could not believe her eyes. I said get in get in there's nothing to worry about look at this you can't cast a shadow no matter how low you go and if we try to follow around this container to see where this beam is coming from it will either turn off move or always remain just inches out of sight so the light has zero point of origin and she engaged and saw this all take place She's a very Hispanic lady born in Costa Rica, she's very familiar with witchcraft and After the event because eventually you know she'd like this is just too much. This is it's too much She starts, you know praying and stuff and I told her mom don't pray to my she and I like that We don't want to completely disengage but she got the point that there's something That relates the phenomena to us and it just wants That engagement that playful

22:20 Much like a puppy or dog, it just wants to engage. Great story! I'm sure that these things are really impactful to experience firsthand but we've heard many stories at this level of trickster activity and doors opening and closing in strange lights has there been any you said it's capable of mind-to-mind communication? Or reading one's mind has this entity communicated anything to you when asked, what are you? How did you get here? What do you want? I mean these have to be the first questions that come to mind. Has it ever given you any response or have you talked to someone firsthand who's gotten a response to those kind of questions?" Yes on both accounts it seems as if for whatever reason

23:11 this entity is somewhat stuck or enjoys being in this location or general area and it's difficult to find out exactly why it is banished to this area, stuck in this area Or chooses to roam This particular spot and does so Kind of with reckless abandon it has full control of the area and what I mean by that is quite literally it almost appears and seems as if the very ground itself Is alive or has a consciousness to it. As soon as dark hits, And you get that magic time from dusk tonight

24:05 It exponentially just energizes the area and it's something that you can physically feel. Being human beings, we have that biological kind of sensor in us that you know, the hairs go up on your neck You know you're not alone. You hear things that shouldn't be heard. You see things that shouldn't be seen but more importantly you realize that its quite clearly The domain of something else That you are just a visitor there And that is mesmerizing to me. I do feel at times like things could go very wrong with a lot of good reasons, but i think if you are very careful respectful of the area and playful in a congenial and not...I don't need to prove anything

25:09 Anybody other than myself, so I already believe So when when I go it just seems like they're kind of like the edge is taken off Like i'm not gonna have a psychic break because I see something that was next level to what? I saw the previous time. So my history in the area possibly makes me a little bit more desensitized but still Engaging with it It's a rush. It is a complete rush how the actual landscape itself can become alive with a type of consciousness. At times, the earth itself will move – it will shake and shudder and rumble. Another very strange thing that happens is you'll have these cracks in the ground that will completely open up. Some of these caverns are cracks – this is just regular desert landscape, high desert

26:07 Some of them will go down 20 to 50 feet, I mean massive and be 3 feet wide 4 feet wide at the surface. And within days they'll close up and you'll never even know they were there so it's quite literally as if the ground is alive Yeah, very fascinating. And it does jive with things previous guests have talked about here. I mean animism the perspective that all objects can be bound with consciousness that even rocks and elements of the landscape have consciousness we've talked about guardian spirits before and fairies and all that folklore some people think Bigfoot is still a guardian of the forest to some degree and Dr Little talked

26:54 geological activity being a component of what facilitates maybe these plasma discharges and that Either the plasma itself is conscious or maybe these beings live in plasma like a fish lives in water and when plasma emerges, the intelligence is just in there from another dimension or whatever. That's obviously why the term portal is used so when you say it's bound to the area that obviously Occult language and it speaks to maybe something that you'd find in doctor little's book like a big shamanic ritual and magic is always kind of about. Binding or you know your draw the circle the bean is invoked and then I can't leave the circle so, the notion that something was once called there and can't really escape but doesn't hate it out on a baby that makes sense like a little trickster in a

27:57 regional prison of some kind without real bars. Yeah, I'm open to a lot of that it seems to make sense have you asked it? What are you does it ever describe itself is an angel Is it a spirit? Is it what does it say It is and this is a good question. It does not at least that I've been convinced by and even in conversations with people who have had unusual impressions as well of the intelligence name itself accordingly. However, it does seem to have many attributes that are shared with other occult beings that are deemed extremely powerful and the immediate one that comes to mind is the djinn And the reason I bring up the djinn

28:58 is, this is also not my idea. I originally was told this idea by Jacques Vallée he and Frank Salisbury and Junior Hicks would have conversations and in Frank Salisbury's very difficult to get but very good book on the phenomenon called The Utah UFO Display it becomes apparent that Even though these scientists are looking at this through the traditionally scientific lens, that it quite quickly and inexplicably borders on spiritualism at some point. You can't look at this from just the scientific lens. Standard science only gets so far before it's outgunned, so to speak. And Mr. Vallée

30:01 quite literally told me, he said very similar things are happening in the deserts of the Middle East and entities with similar capabilities doing similar things and having similar approaches are being witnessed in again the deserts. And it's strange that the desert comes up so often because in many occult ancient texts When someone wants to gain answers from a magical perspective, they are told to go to the desert. And this is where you will find The Great Teacher for example many other names and anecdotal terminology but basically it's reported through a lot of ancient texts that the deserts have this intelligence and the standard scientific approach just has a really hard time wrapping its head around that

31:01 Yeah, it sounds like some I am that which is called. I am kind of thing like it's just a consciousness as spirit thats like what do you mean? What am I? I am what I am right here communicating with you like I don't really Have a word for it, you know whatever you're looking for I don't have that answer. You're gonna learn about me from the interactions and...I guess that's what we have to go on and i wanted to ask you about this guy Chris Marks Someone you interviewed that you recommended that I interview as well, but it just haven't gotten to it apparently He worked for Bigelow advanced aerospace studies is a military policeman with active clearances and was a security guard for skinwalker ranch What did you learn from him through a series of conversations? And there's another Chris involved which was also a quote-unquote guard

31:58 for Bigelow and his name was Chris Bartell. Interestingly, these are the guys that I was literally running from years ago and these are the guys that were posted up outside of my house in black suburbans when I was being quote unquote monitored. What's fun about talking to them now is that we can laugh about it there like yeah you know we were asked park outside of your house and keep an eye on you. And this was well within the range of possibility for a private company, which had deals with the Department of Defense. This is all plausible deniability and completely within they knew I was in the area they knew what I was up to. Anyway it's kind of funny to look back on it but yes I found a lot out from these two gentlemen.

32:56 The stories detailed and the claims that have been made by both of them are 100% true in my opinion. One particular story that comes to mind is a quote unquote shapeshifter at the property on the ridge, which spooked one of them because he felt as if he was being watched. He turned and looked up And he saw a person, just a Native American walking along the ridge kind of shadowing him. And when he engaged with this individual and called out to him it I say it but this individual would appeared to be a Native American man average build bent over as if folded in half so kind of like touching your toes and then

33:52 quite quickly became a wolf right in front of his eyes. And obviously, this made him a believer other events that took place were these three wolves that would kind of pack up and there's been some instances that have happened that I'll get into but A lot of times these things will roam in threes and I say these things but these Wolf like shape shifting entities And they engaged with one of these down by a waterway and unloaded on it, but by no means killed it. The bullets seem to have no effect which is quite often the case and goes along with a lot of the folklore you hear which is unbelievable. These are guys that don't lie. These are guys that in my opinion were just doing a job. They're just collecting a paycheck making car payments making mortgage payments and they're not really wanting any trouble

34:55 But the thing that stood out to me the most was the way they were engaging with The Trickster, the types of games and playful back and forth. And the occult means by which they were doing so. So they had a custom Ouija board made specifically for the property. These two gentlemen said that when they would touch the Ouija board together that it would almost outpower them. They couldn't stop this thing from telling them things at times, even if they wanted to and these are two big beefy guys so in an attempt to contact the entity and kind of go out on a limb they realized the whole tree was literally shaking. The power was so real they couldn't deny it and the occult

35:50 Ways that they contacted it I think says a lot about the area and it may say a lot about what possibly might be there Yeah, and you also mentioned to me that he was originally from Germany and Robert Bigelow had him translate German submarine messages accounting for an anomalous expedition To Antarctica looking into odd things. Can you elaborate on that? What odd things Yes This is very strange At first he thought, why am I reading through all these pages translating something that seems monotonous and has no meaning? And what he found was this was an event that took place. It may have been UFO related, I'm not sure. And it may have something to do with the hollow earth. That's kind of what i gathered from our conversation

36:56 There were instances in the accounts where the submarine was running deep, finding things that were out of this world and engaging with things that were again not the usual. So even though I didn't get an exact answer i believe it was UFO related and possibly having to do with Hollow Earth Well, what was like the most revealing aspect of what he told you? Because we've heard that the Germans were looking in Antarctica. We've heard that they were interested in the hollow earth. What can you tell us beyond what we might already know? It did have something to do with Foo Fighters as they were known and it seemed as if they were either not quite attacking the submarine but

37:59 and I'm sure that this stuff is confidential, i just don't know to what end. But they were investigating something in the area that was near South America there were events taking place which had to do with UFOs and apparently the information gathered was very important to Robert Bigelow so much in fact that he had him translate this entire paperwork that came with the submarine. So it was very detailed, very much quite the process to go through it all a lot of detail in the story but where it was leading was that there was some sort of interaction as we sometimes in this country believe there is interaction

38:54 of sorts between governments or collusion between governments and UFOs, that conspiracy that governments and these others are working together. And this stuff's always kind of held in these black vaults coverups controversies. It's difficult to know how much of it is accurate and how much isn't. Well, fair enough. And you know of course our interactions originally started with a THC Plus forum post you made offering up an NDA free Skinwalker show and then you showed me images of a portal that was pretty compelling and funny enough after the Trey Hudson interview the researcher he mentioned from Turkey that

39:39 I had meant that came out in the interview, that reached out to him actually popped up in the plus forum as well offering to answer some questions. So that was an interesting coincidence and going back to our last interview you had mentioned that you yourself did an invocation of Thoth out there And you told me recently That The Avenue that you're looking more at is the connection between witchcraft and UFOs You said There are similarities between witchcraft used for healing and cursing in Central America, mostly Costa Rica where you were born. And the skinwalkers of the Unitaw Basin. This is a direction that people are going. The trail seems to be much less sci-fi and more metaphysical, esoteric, and occult But for people who aren't familiar with Central American Witchcraft for healing and cursing what are the specific similarities that you see?

40:36 Yeah, there are for example for lack of a better word things found on the landscape and This is similar to in Costa Rica. For example There is a very long history of witchcraft In fact some of the cities you can't go a block without passing two or three. It's like psychics, you know? Two or three witches which people know of and... You know there are of course the white witches and the dark witches which this will come into play shortly because you have the same exact thing in Native American cultures And what I find is at times you'll visit the property and come across gifts as what

41:25 I like to call them, but things that... Offerings. Offerings yes great yes offerings that should not be there and seem to be created just for you and other times you will have things taken You will literally have a personal object of yours taken I hate buying new electronics. I had bought the new iPhone, went up to the property and the thing disappears! To not go too off topic, I start trying to ping the device with my other Apple products and it's pinging in completely different counties each time i do it bouncing around

42:11 We hear it literally at the bottom of a backpack in the vehicle. Now, this is impossible because we had the phone with us the entire evening. We hadn't gone into the vehicle. It was morning and we were in the cabin and I had the phone right next to me so obviously impossible and paranormal but The fact that it was pinging in different counties made me wonder, is this actually dimensional? Like it didn't know where to put it. But we did find the phone eventually in the car at the bottom of a backpack where it couldn't have been but it will take things from you and if you're not able to ping these devices you'll probably never find them an interesting story with this particular phone Is I should have learned my lesson but that morning I decided to go out and take some pictures by this little waterway We call cryptic Creek

43:03 and I was walking, and i felt as if something just grabbed or pushed the phone out of my hand. It went in the water obviously done deal the water was high and moving very quickly The phone was gone well fast forward a few months The water level was lower. I was looking for the device I found the device upstream from where i lost it which again is paranormal. So you'll have things taken from you, which witches will do in Native American and Navajo witchcraft It's very common to guard things such as hair You'l notice

43:45 that many, especially elders both in Hispanic cultures and in Native American cultures will clean off their combs when they're done combing their hair and throw it in the garbage. They won't leave a strand of hair in their comb when they put it back because if someone with dark adept tendencies breaks into your house and they're able to gather so much as a strand of hair, they have sort of a screenshot of you They have a piece of you, quite literally that they can then work with and related phenomena can build upon that. So there's a lot of different examples of that but that's just a quick and kind of cliff notes way to explain it. Right on right on

44:32 Well, man we had planned to talk more about P.B Randolph and let that be the bulk of the show but even just getting some updates on Skinwalker Ranch has taken almost the full hour but lets squeeze in some P. B Randolph here So if we follow along the occult lead laid out you mentioned me a deep study of this guy P. B Randolph who was the partial basis for Doctor Strange in the Marvel Universe He was the real first hashish importer into the US and founder of the oldest secret society in America. He's kind of lost to history because he was a black man in the time of slavery, and that's one helluva resume already but tell us more on why this guy is important? Super important guy! He had so many of

45:23 the founding ideas and philosophies that were taken by people such as H.B. Blavatsky, Thelema uses a lot of the ideas he was a sex magician but was definitely interesting character He took an active part in the abolitionist movement Randolph's enlightenment was way ahead of its time apparently In his Rosicrucian order, quote unquote the White Brotherhood. He included but was not limited to members such as Benjamin Franklin Thomas Paine Abraham Lincoln which was a personal friend and these names were kept in an anonymity But everybody sort of knew Randolph was invited to go to New Orleans with Abraham Lincoln and for some sort of revitalization effort of philanthropy he went

46:22 and was trying to get certain blacks the ability to vote, things like that landed him in a ton of what he was always landing in a whirlwind of conflict and controversy. But he was a physician, and he would use a great deal of hashish and basically trance work. He seemed to be a clairvoyant physician so he had thousands of people who claimed to have been healed by him You would go and see him, he would go into this trance-like state and find out what was really wrong with you. The way I found out about his organization back east as well as others is that I had a conversation with Jay Parker after delving pretty deeply into satanic ritual abuse back east

47:12 You know, Jay was telling me everywhere to go what to see what to do. And I decided to book an air flight back east to Arden Delaware the place Joe Biden was raised in a place called Rose Valley to investigate claims of satanic ritual abuse by the dark side of the Illuminati much like in the Native American and Hispanic witchcraft there's the dark side and the light side apparently I was told to visit a specific dinner theater at specific times and also in neighborhood called Roiland Croft. I probably shouldn't even say the name of the neighborhood, but amongst others there's some others that i won't say the name of and I did this to delve into specific locations and evidentiary ritual sites by the informants I was talking to Jay Parker was one of them

48:05 Many of these neighborhoods are said to be 90% of the people living there are said to be 90% satanic and taking part in many dark SRA style gatherings or Satanic ritual abuse usually dealing with children. So I was kind of, you know fired up about this and I wanted to get out there and look, you know. I've always been interested in other groups that do this sort of thing and i wanted to see if this is very real obviously the when I went out there the pizzagate thing was huge! And pedogate and all of that so what I found was tragic. I now 100% believe the words and claims of Jay Parker and many others and to give you an idea some of the things I witnessed

48:55 I saw children being ushered into bottom levels of a dinner theater, a place they had no reason to be. Especially at the time i was told to see it. I saw massive ovens in the woods behind the homes of elites where the bodies are said to be thrown and disposed of again no reason for these massive ovens to be there And I was chased out of certain neighborhoods just for stopping on the side of the road, as I was told I would be. I didn't believe it! They said do not stop and even though i'm in the business of real estate and I'm not a big deal but I made the appropriate calls, I dressed appropriately in a suit, as well as having business cards on me...I was not allowed to view estates that were listed for sale and some of the properties in the purported hot spots of satanic control

49:47 One angry lady came up to my vehicle right as I stopped and almost immediately asked, who do you know here? And when I responded explaining that I was just looking to buy a property. I gave her my business card she threatened me with physical harm said others would join her if i did not leave immediately anyway... I also found workers of the good quote unquote, Illuminati variety and the brethren of light which it's referred to. So anyway I digress sorry for being tangential back to Randolph. Randolph believed that the inhabitants of the soul worlds have much to do with the goings on of the great world's future so a lot like the entities we're talking about in the Uintah Basin that there was this hierarchy

50:44 of entities that sort of work together, much like the Greeks explained in their mythology and that they did so oftentimes by using mortals. So when you have these horrible horrific things that you say how could a person possibly do that? Well it might not be a person doing that it may some of these other entities working through a person to do these things and the same can be said on the light side. So anyway, Randolph consciously experienced all kinds of angelic realms and hierarchies and visions He had extreme advocacy of hashish as you said he was the number one importer of Hashish. He also created magic mirrors

51:27 And he put the tools in the hands of just about anybody who wanted to experience these visions and states described by seers for millennia. So Randolph was definitely the beginning of this foundation, this old secret society that's Rosicrucian order and his occult progress had a lot to do with the will not the intellect so much but the will to interact with these entities and to try That kind of became his motto and his trademark to try. To become your best self, very interesting. Yeah I read quite a bit about him preparing for this you mentioned sex magic he actually wrote a book called Magica sexualis and the Amazon description says this book explains Randolph's meticulous science of sex magic practiced by the Brotherhood of Ulysses and the Hermetic Brotherhood of Light

52:28 Beginning with exercises to develop essential skills, the book explains the step-by-step details of how to perform sex magic rituals for specific results such as greater strength or enhancement of the senses. How to charge or use a volt an effigy for a specific person you want to influence or protect how to enliven a painting in order to influence those around it, and how to create magical talismans with specific planetary forces using what Randolph calls fluid condensers. This work shows that true power of the Spirit is acquired in conjunction with the power of sex, affirming that sex is the fundamental force and every being. The most powerful force in nature and the most characteristic evidence of God." Well how about that? Right there on Amazon for anyone to see Secrets In Plain Sight So you go out there

53:24 and you follow Jay Parker's advice, and you see some things that convince you that the darkness in this area is real. Well talk to us more about the light side or why that connects to Peebee Randolph and his deep history I suppose in that area? Sure Yeah, Randolph was by all means a Rosicrucian through and through. And he with the founding of his organization, the Third Temple of The Rosie Cross which began with the initiation of like 12 adepts and is not only the oldest Rose Cross secret society in the United States but it is also what is known as The Brotherhood Of Light and I spoke to that juxtaposing

54:16 brethren, let's say a brethren of the shadows as they're known and dark adepts of Arden Delaware and Rose Valley Pennsylvania. And these two organizations are completely on the opposite spectrums have this quote unquote battle between good and evil and Mark Pacio can affirm my claims that only workers of light are involved with the organization in the order PB Randolph started in Pennsylvania Now, every ying has to have sort of a yang even in the quote unquote Illuminati which is sort of a catch all term for these illuminists. And after my trips to Rose Valley and Arden Delaware to delve into this super deeply I found that the darkness was very real but I also found that the light was very real and Mark as i mentioned and myself no members of this group

55:14 these light working Illuminists, and I can verify that they are sort of the tip of the spear fighting against the dark side of the quote unquote illuminati. And the late Bill Cooper believed without a doubt that this group was the most powerful in the United States from a magical perspective but Although Bill always seemed to believe that absolute power corrupted absolutely, I'm not entirely sure. It is true that there would probably be no escaping the eventual blasphemous truth of the Gnostic theory of the demiurge eventually because that's very common but again as i said i'm not so sure a powerful omnipotent being wouldn't be able to fulfill the job description that they're built for...I don't know! Not my place to say either way

56:06 Randolph's Rosicrucian rites began in 1852. He began his official order with 12 adepts, with the first ground lodge founded in August of 1857 known as the August Fraternity and the great spiritual philosophical systems that the Rosicrucians have used ever since Germany and ancient Greece and before that Egypt they preach of these cataclysms that destroy previous civilizations such as Noah's flood And Randolph believed that the diurnal and orbital motions of the Earth were one thing, but he also believed it was a fact that there was an oscillating motion. So kind of going back to the Uintah Basin, there were other movements taking place in this living being called The Planet. Basically Randolph started something very interesting way ahead of his time

57:06 He traveled all over Europe and the Middle East, Turkey searching for these adepts of different magical sorts to try to gather his own description of what it meant to be a magician or sorcerer. And he picked up a lot of masterful things! His mom apparently married one of the famous Randolphs fairly elite for that time And this was a guy that sort of abandoned the family. P.B Randolph's father took no role in raising him, abandoned him to the streets in New York so even though he kind of came from this finer cloth, he didn't get any other perks and Randolph supposedly became aware of his father's death by purely clairvoyant means but as a child, Randolph lost his mother during the cholera epidemic of 1831-32

58:06 He would spend nights on the street basically as a baker, found a place called Bellevue Hospital where he was taken. And he spent quite a while in this stone building on Manhattan Island is you know, very sad youth so he had a lot of pain in his life early on and I think this is where he sort of kindled this fire within him to go and find out all of the mysteries of the world become more than what he believed he was. And, he was put to work really young you know going door-to-door soliciting items for sale He picked up kind of being a master of marketing and self promotion which came pretty handy later in life when he took to traveling and being in the circles of these mystics and mesmerists. He would go to France and performed

59:01 before Napoleon III. And even though the term sex magician has a very negative connotation, I think mostly due to Aleister Crowley's abuse of this term in his quest to detach from his guardian angel which is a whole other story...I believe Randolph's medical views on sex healing were sort-of part of his universal views and theories of spiritualism and magic of vital human energies. I mean realistically that's the closest that people become to being a God is or a creator, is to be able to create life. It's such a magical thing." I think he saw that and even though he practiced all kinds of medicine and used magic crystals and scrying mirrors

59:51 He always sort of in the background believed in this energy between male and female Energy being able to upload a higher mystical experience Hmm. Yeah, I've done a couple of shows recently that have pretty much convinced me the big secret is using the energy of sex for magical purposes and Just to cruise through some of the things that you told me about Randolph or that I learned preparing for this. You said Bill Cooper was convinced that this Rosicrucian Order founded in the US by Randolph in 1856 was the most powerful hidden group in the U.S., and that's kind of what set you on your trail,

1:00:38 He was married to a Native American named Mary Jane, something that's where the association started. I liked that little anecdote you said Abraham Lincoln Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Paine were all members and I also learned that he used a cannabis preparation called Dowamesh aka the medicine of immortality for occult powers like scrying with magic mirrors And that's interesting. I wonder what makes up specific cannabis preparation. But regardless, I have to squeeze this in here to the first hour. I can't really leave it where we are because otherwise i'm just going to get raked over the coals but I obviously have a little skepticism when you say there's the dark side of things and then there's the light side not that I don't think that there are light magicians but I just don't know how well organized they are and

1:01:34 if they really have any power in today's world because I would ask to see the evidence of their light work because no human sacrifice or child trafficking seems to get exposed. They don't go and smash the ovens of Arden, Delaware. Corruption has run amok society is falling apart where is the evidence of light work? Or a counterbalance to the dark side That's a great question. And, you know, Randolph joined various secret societies before starting his own and he came across a lot of individuals in Europe that at this point in time seems unbelievable, you know other magicians it's rumored He came across Eliphias Levy walking the streets of Paris many rumors obviously which are too big to imagine aside from

1:02:31 Very little proof of this, we have many verbal accounts of him meeting these people. Kind of secretive in themselves because a lot of these orders were not really readily accepted at the time and one thing that isn't as secret is the fact that Randolph gave performances and never disappointed so he would do these exhibitions, these public affairs sometimes they were performed in private residences People would claim to see multitudes of lights around him and he would often produce credible materializations and sometimes human forms, different misty forms walking the audience streaks of light. And many other spectacles that could not be explained but no one ever got this dark feeling about it on his travels. He visited many countries obviously in order to create this mastership of this magical craft one

1:03:26 path that is interesting, there is the left-hand path that many magicians and people looking into this come across. And so my answer to that is if there is a left hand path then they're obviously must be a right hand path and I'm glad that you mentioned the Doa Mesh which is medicine of immortality which is primarily Hashish Hashish was highly regarded by Randolph. And he wrote that hashish perfectly illuminated him, but the lucidity with the high for example infinitely exceeded anything he'd ever known before even in trance state with no loss of will or self consciousness. So I think he utilized that and I happen to know the magical recipe you asked for and that magical recipe for this

1:04:18 Doha Mess, which is translated from Arabic into the medicine of immortality. It's 300 grams of hashish 250 grams of opium 50 grams of henbane and 20 grams of belladonna but I digress. The big thing is Randolph said he had been searching for years to find what he called the real secret of the wisdom tradition, so alchemists, hermeticists, mystics – the Illuminati quote unquote of all ages had basically used Hashish or any of its family to liberate the imagination while reaching for what they called the philosopher's stone

1:05:04 And Randolph was enthusiastic and believed this was part of the tree of life, and he was a proponent of hashishus. The largest importer not only before the Civil War but I think in that book you quoted Mahia Sexualis which was written with Maria Naglowska He gives this formula and this recipe for this ointment that you mentioned to produce visions, to use with magic scrying mirrors. And he believed that this was sort of the key to unlock consciousness and put it in a realm where it could more easily connect. Hmm. I love it very impressive that she knew the recipe off the top your head

1:05:51 But this is a lot of fun it was great talking to you again this is. Probably really interesting to longtime listeners who got several unexpected updates on the work of previous guests, and I appreciate that. Give the people your links and if you have any new avenues of study in the future let us know what you're going to be looking into! You bet thanks for having me on Greg i'm pretty easy to find Hero Paranormal is my podcast a very small podcast just things that interest me You can find that at heroparanormal.com or Hero Paranormal on YouTube as long as they allow me to be there, which seems like that's getting Walking on thin ice there and you can also check on the base camp space wolf research That's at Space Wolf Research comm you can also follow both of those on social media They're on Facebook etc Instagram and I think yeah, it's about it

1:06:49 Awesome, well you are one of the good ones man. Keep digging and take care! Alright thank you And boom goes the dynamite kicking off December with a trip back to the old Skinwalker Ranch with exactly the right guy to do it As I mentioned Ryan and i have kind of stayed in touch from time-to-time and he sent over leads on a few people that did become THC guests Of them, I think Ryan Musgrave Evans talking about these beings being crypto-terrestrials with high technology managing the ancient earth farm and their free range corn fed human livestock was my favorite. His book Children of Orion was a good read with some very unique takes in a crowded space of yeah we've heard that before so i appreciated it alot

1:07:44 Add in the fact that when I would ask him, well how could you know such detailed stuff? His reply is well they come to me. I have my own experiences with them. I am a contactee! I thought it became even more compelling But then there were also a few people that Ryan had interviewed on Hero Paranormal that I thought, well interesting but maybe we don't do a full two hours with each of them. Instead maybe i just get Ryan back and we talk about them in an interview with him along with some updates from the property and his latest thoughts on what we might be calling the Skinwalker Trickster now? I know there's a lot of conversation about it is a weird place no doubt

1:08:28 If you have gotten a chance to pick up Dr. Greg Little's last book with Andrew Collins, Origins of the Gods there is a photo in there in Andrew Collin section that he took himself at Skinwalker Ranch of something and the sky and it's compelling and I do believe that There's enough going on there that a researcher could go out for a week and capture something pretty extraordinary but I did try to press Ryan a bit more for details and i think he gave us some good stuff. As I sort of mentioned we were really going to focus this episode around Peebee Randolph, but we got to talking and that content almost didn't make it into the first hour at all! Sometimes I think two hours is really a long time... It's basically a feature-length movie

1:09:19 And I wonder if maybe i'm asking too much of the guests or even asking too much of listeners to care about one interview that's two hours long. But then when i'm recording them, I usually think time flies and it's hard to believe that vast majority of listeners are only getting their first hour not trying to segue right into sales pitch but days like today really do feel like we were just get started 60 minutes in And we're here, so I guess i'll just do that part of the thing now. In the second hour we got into digging deeper on The Lightworker's premise Of course Ryan said if there is a left hand path then there must be a right hand path and I don't disagree that there is a path! I'm just not convinced there are very many organized groups walking it when it comes to something like The White Hats or a secret society thats keeping the bad guys from destroying the world

1:10:17 Obviously, I know there are positive applications of magic. We talk about it all the time but when it comes to lightworkers my thought is just that maybe they aren't so organized? I think of them as more of a decentralized network of people working on their own energy fields The Frodo Baggins thing that Gordon would talk about Just making the most positive ripples in the world and even simple things can end up having like this butterfly effect that amplifies more positivity into the world and that makes it harder for the capstone cabal to do its job.

1:10:55 Ryan made some interesting points about potentially high-level people who seem like they might be bad guys on the surface but in secret might be actually pumping the brakes on elite agendas in some way, in their own way. You know we've seen that character type in certain films where they seem like a soldier or a good lieutenant and then they just turn At the right time and they help the hero in the hero really needed a person in that position. And I think that's an archetype that isn't just from hollywood i think it exists in the real world even when people just have a crisis of consciousness in a particular moment maybe didn't even wake up thinking they were gonna help a good guy

1:11:41 I just think the universe kind of breaks good and sometimes people, even bad people are inspired to goodness in moments. And you never really know what's in someone's heart either. And all that said, I do just kind of wince when we talk about an organized shadow group that is working against the elite. It's just one of those savior motifs that I would rather avoid because I just don't know, And that part was interesting but we also got into scrying mirrors sacrifice and the skin Walker entity space as an altar.

1:12:21 Some other researchers that Ryan has interviewed who have connected Skinwalker Ranch to the Hollow Earth, you know I like that. And then probably the most compelling thing we talked about was the blue dirt! It's kind of like the black goo but it's a whole different thing and maybe it activates ships and maybe there is some alchemy involved but the blue dirt was something I've yet to hear anywhere else. Ryan also gave us another Example of where we might have seen robert guffey's cameo tech and we talked about the prospect of weaponizing paranormal phenomenon. Or the effects of some of those things we talked about ryan thoughts on brandon foogle fogel fogel i don't know to name my read quite often,

1:13:09 but I haven't seen the show or anything so i don't really hear it said. But Ryan's thoughts on this Brandon Fugle guy and the Skinwalker Show was a part of the plus episode, then we got into a weird tangent about CRISPR, The CIA and The Wooly Mammoth, and a little story about remote viewing Amelia Earhart And spoiler alert for the free listeners but apparently she was some sort of spy according to these remote viewing sessions and it just makes me think about how we have these people whose names match. Their stories a little too well like bernie made off making off with everybody's money steven paddock shooting a bunch of people who were in a paddock like situation,

1:13:54 Sam Bankman-Fried who seems like this patsy who was placed at FTX when it collapsed to be the Fall Guy. And then you have this potential spy, Amelia Earhart who goes missing in the air Now if a lot of these people were spies or patsy's or connected in some way You'd expect them not using their real name and then hence the name actually has something with their mission or task It's an odd world ya know? But the Plus Show had a lot to like. Do yourself a favor, if you're listening to THC just get the full episodes start with the 7 day free trial plug the RSS feed right into whatever app you use to listen and get in the game! We keep it ad and sponsorship free for a reason A man's gotta make money but I think i want to do this for people who appreciate it and get my income that way Have ya heard about this?

1:14:52 established titles scandal. It's all the rage for the people who do listen to other podcasts not to go on a huge tangent, but this company Established Titles has been saying that you can buy a little square plot of land in Scotland and then because of the Scottish custom you can then use the title Lord or Lady in your name Will this company came on the scene and did ads with so many different podcasters ben shapiro. Logan paul several other ones i heard this ad everywhere, it turns out to be a complete sham company you're giving them money for a piece of paper there is no land and the scottish government actually said when was inquiries that know this does not qualify for our custom being a lord or lady so

1:15:46 It's a silly company, it's kind of harmless but they're definitely lying about what the product is and so many podcasters just read the ad because who cares? And there might be examples that aren't so innocent. How many of these podcasts talk about supplements or even sell blue chews yeah it's all funny let's sell the dick pill because then I can make a few lowbrow jokes about it These podcasters in a lot of cases are cashing in the trust you have in them to sell products they don't know anything about and I hope they're proud of themselves but we're gonna see more and more that kind of thing as time goes on. And, I am just happy to have never gone down that road. I get offers all the time hey based on your listenership we think you could make X amount by promoting this product it's like I do not do that

1:16:39 You know, some people cast a lot of shade about oh this guy he's just trying to make money. He puts half of his content behind the paywall but I think it is better than the alternative and we all have to have a job of some kind So this is my job! I built it myself This is how I do it People get stingy with $8 when it comes to this type of content Podcast are supposed to be free but we burn 8 bucks in all sorts of ways We tip a waitress eight bucks for a single meal And I'm saying you give me an $8 tip and you get twice as much content. There's no better deal! I didn't really mean to spin it or go off on this weird tangent, but when these scam companies pop up in podcasting... ...I just have to mention it as a sort of pat on the back to the way I do things and why I do it this way

1:17:29 But anyway, getting back to the content here for The Real OGs I think it was fun to have some of the material in this episode bump up against some old classics like the show with Jay Parker or the one with Robert Guffey. The stuff about Bigelow's big pivot made me start to wonder if Bigelow Consciousness Studies could be code for magic? Consciousness studies sounds a lot more broad you're not going to call it occult studies ritual investigations, but if you know about magic the wink-wink nod-nod is that consciousness clearly plays a role and might be A key part of the mechanisms behind it so I could see that being true He tried going outward with Bigelow aerospace and now he's going inward baby. That would make sense to me

1:18:19 But these are some of the eternal mysteries and I try to make sure we're being creative and coming at them from different angles when we cover these things. It's hard not just return to the well of ideas, and I don't know how much closer we get to a solve but i'm intrigued so I do try to make sure that were not rehashing the same ideas over and over getting something fresh which today qualifies You know i've been very big on the plasma thing since I first heard about it because first when you think about aliens is like oh maybe there are fairies or some kind of elemental that's always been here great or maybe their spirits. And cycle what does that even mean and then your like baby plasmas involved, maybe that's why eric dollard created one in the lab may be its up portal maybe it's a vehicle of some kind maybe thats why these ships people see in the sky are always

1:19:14 covered in these crazy bright lights and doing these crazy Christmas light-esque patterns with their lighting. Maybe you're seeing the plasma, I don't know but i will forever enjoy mulling this stuff over so big thanks to Ryan and congrats to him on getting Space Wolf Research off the ground! If this kind of episode is your jam Ryan's on this thread week after week on Hero Paranormal just so ya know In higher side news, not a lot to say just trying to hang on through this holiday season. We have had several guests in previous months talk about supply chain issues and food shortages and a big collapse And things are certainly fragile and shaky out there but I think all things considered we are chugging along! I get that feeling a lot though it's not that some of our guests are wrong they just need to extend their timeline out a bit more in a lot of cases

1:20:15 So much of this stuff often moves way slower than expected. I'm not saying we're through the woods, but I'm certainly not going to complain that society hasn't collapsed as predicted right? Screws are tighter than usual for a lot of people and I won't deny that. Cracks are certainly showing but it's not full-blown broken yet and i'll take it Let's check that calendar. If you're feeling a bit down this December, if you'd like to change your situation and shuffle up your friend group either make a THC event or show up to one near you here is what we got going on for the rest of the year

1:20:52 December 8th we got the LA Truth Meetup at Flame International Restaurant. December 10th, we got one going on in Pachogi New York I think it's the Long Island Bar Crawl okay let's just say Long Island also December 10th Grey Bull Wyoming and Bob's Diner also December 10 Vancouver Washington goin to Shanahan's Pub & Grill Also December 10th, the Anti-Vaxmas 2 at Gilligan's Irish Pub in Glendale California. December 11th Asheville North Carolina. December 17th Fayetteville New York and I think that does it! The rest look like they're popping off in January so considerate

1:21:35 It's as simple as going to highersidemeetups.com, making a quick account and adding your event to the mix Nobody should feel lonely in the holiday season And this is just one potential avenue for changing your situation if it needs changing Have a good December Be good to each other Don't let yourself get overly blackpilled Who does that really serve? You know Well, much love guys. Thanks for listening I've done my part Your move Invisible College secret keepers plasma beans of the landscape and desert tricksters of the Unitaw Basin You're fucking boo From space it was falling Its light started calling It's making crop circles again Just as i was looking up it showed me all the hidden stuff And now im all enlightened and zen

1:22:28 But the masses is hard, it's silver ships Now I'm not asleep Don't obey the elite Gotta be to the How I start to wonder Now we're not the sheep That they bred us to be Gotta be to the head Now we start to wonder How we start to wonder See a new pair of corruption in crime Since the visitors set me straight

1:23:10 I encouraged you to go when you see the saucers glow. One mile away, the masses is hard Silver ships by yard Now we're not asleep Don't all gotta beam to the We start to wonder No, we're not the sheep that has to be beamed To the We start to wonder We'll see these things up in the sky Just as the system starts to die Balls made in extra-belly rake It's time we had a break Cause were not the sheep that they must to be Beaten to the, now we start to wonder Now were not asleep cause we got THC

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