Ryan Musgrave-Evans | The Cryptoterrestrial Children of Orion & Their Free Range Ancient Humans

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00:54 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a- I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Hey there cool cats and kittens from sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood. And while the daily grind and nightly news can take up all of our time and mental energy as they seem designed to do... When you expand your awareness beyond the pre-approved boxes and engineered distractions of the moment You find many more mysteries yet to be explained Why are there ancient pyramids all over the planet?

01:45 Why do people who explore the occult come away with a near unanimous consensus that one can manifest their own reality and attract their own desires? And why do stories of interactions with strange types of beings go back as far as writing itself across nearly every culture, and we still don't have a satisfactory answer to what they are or what they want. Well, whether there's a single thread that weaves through these themes is yet to be determined but it's the mystery surrounding the long-standing relationship humanity seems to have with something else...is the offering on The Higher Side table today with a guest who has a pretty unique and compelling take on the subject.

02:25 His name is Ryan Musgrave Evans and through a deep investigative process of cross-comparison through many known and unknown accounts of contact, whistleblowers, and experiencers he vets the accounts as reported and hones in on the details large and small that lend credibility to the stories and his overall thesis as to what these encounters are all about. And it's all backed up by his own personal encounters too He lays the case out in his excellent new book, Children of Orion Finding the Crypto-Terrestrials and it's a pleasure to have him here. The alien encounter analyzer fairy folklore informer and newly crowned king of the crypto terrestrial hypothesis Ryan welcome to The Higher Side Hey Greg thanks for that that was a wonderful introduction

03:10 I've got to live up to that now. Yeah, just doing my job you know? Thank you! This is a real pleasure and shout out to Ryan Burns of Hero Paranormal for hooking us up. Ryan knows i am a big fan of anything inner earth and that is a big part of your position And you do a great job comparing fairy folklore accounts to modern alien encounters looping in several other strange types of interactions And we're obviously going to get into a lot of the details and why you conclude what you conclude over the course in the next two hours. But how would you describe the overall case? We're looking to make describe the blanket hypothesis here because it is a pretty unique position, right? Yeah Okay so The hypothesis in a nutshell is

03:58 that these beings that are behind the UFO phenomenon, close encounter phenomena that people have been subjected to and experiencing and reporting for many years now. That these beings are indigenous to this earth rather than being extraterrestrials or as some would say as well and suggest extra solar even where lots of people when they're speculating about these kinds of issues, they suggest they're probably from even way beyond our solar system too. The crypto terrestrial idea came from Mac Tonys now I rely heavily on his term crypto terrestrials in my book because i've decided that In my opinion it's the closest match to The beings that are behind the ufo phenomenon and the abduction phenomena close encounter phenomena in general

04:50 Now, McToney's when he formulated that idea and his hypothesis the cryptoterrestrial hypothesis. He floated it out there like an alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis which he considered to be dogmatic And he himself didn't necessarily think it was any more than a thought experiment But he just at least wanted it out there to enrich Ufology and have a few different options because he considered the extraterrestrial hypothesis To really not necessarily be the definitive answer to this It was unsettled by the notion that people were presuming these beings behind these phenomena to be true aliens without any evolutionary history with the Earth or with us. Because there's this running theme that everyone into ufology and ETs and aliens will be familiar with hearing, that they're interested in our DNA. That's a theme, a motif that is constantly repeated—or very often repeated anyway in a lot of cases

05:44 They seem to be interested in our DNA, harvesting our DNA. Sometimes even interbreeding with us, copulating with us in the old-fashioned way literally such as cases like the 1957 case from Brazil of Antonio de Villas Boas or the famous case from Sydney Australia from 1992 with Peter Currie These beings would appear to be very closely related to us have a genetic affiliation As to almost BE US And for this kind of compatibility between our genetics and our genomes, McToney said it seems much more likely that these beings if they're real are from here. They're indigenous to this planet which does not necessarily mean they're not spacefaring as well and extraterrestrial in certain ways so this was McTony's basic idea and I've taken his term cryptoterrestrial which literally translates to hidden earthlings

06:41 And also, McTonies I'll just quickly add as well. He was heavily influenced by Jacques Vallée Especially Jacques Vallée's early work like his seminal book Passport to Magonia where Jacques suggested that beings and characters from ancient folklore he particularly focused on the Celtic fairy faith from Europe he likened those non-human humanoid beings in the older stories to the phenomena of today and the characters and reports, and beings that are described by people nowadays that claim to have encounters. And Jacques Vallée suggested that these may be an identical group of things that have been here always with us interacting with us. And McTonies was heavily influenced by that idea. McTonies decided there was no need really to suggest they might be paraphysical metaphysical

07:34 He tried to pull it back from being too esoteric and make it more nuts and bolts, flesh and blood maybe than Jacques Vallée had done. So that's McToney's cryptoterrestrial hypothesis—that there is a sister species related to us in a very close way anyway that is interacting with us with robust technologies that can manipulate our minds influence our memories influence their appearance to us cloaking and living under the earth or in our mountains or under the sea, but here with us permanently as a presence that's been running down through the millennia. And what I've done with my book Children of Orion is now...I am an experiencer myself and have been all my life and many experiences are becoming more intense and regular in the past few years But I have had sporadic contact with what I thought were elves or fairies all through my childhood and adolescence and whatnot

08:29 And then when I moved back down to where I grew up as an adult, in about 2010 that would have been but the interactions became more intense. Then around about 2013 or 2014 it really started taking off with really high scale contact. But what i've done with my book is... The beings that I know, that I've seen and interacted with What I set out to do was try and be as objective as possible and in a way sort of pose as a researcher. But first and foremost, I'm an experiencer but i try to push that aside and said what I am going to do is launch an investigation into old folklore running through the ages but specifically mostly the Celtic fairy faith as Jacques Vallée did coming up to the beginning of UFO era which people often talk about being 1947 with the Roswell crash cases through that time coming up to more modern cases like

09:31 Charles Hall, Peter Curie, Chris Bledsoe, Kelly Kale and yeah just utilizing all of these cases and trying to find the beings that I know and have experienced within these cases. And so what i did was I started making what I called a Crypto-Terrestrial Profile or CT profile and I moved through the cases using initially the reports of the Gaelic fairies like Nahuishlin from Ireland and Scotland, that were tall fair beings that chirped and whistled, that lived underground. That would float around as Will-O'-Wisp, as luminous beings at dusk. Would use what was called glamoury on peoples to alter their realities, to present false appearances to people so they'd look like things they weren't. Perhaps even looked like people you know yourself

10:27 I began with that and then sought them in other cases. And then people are familiar with, say Charles Hall's case, the millennial hospitality books that he wrote, claimed to be a weather observer in the United States Air Force at Nellis, Creech Air Force Base, in the 60s and have regular prolonged interaction with a race of beings that he said were tall and fair big blue eyes that would chirp and whistle, that lived underground and in the mountains. That would mess with his mind, that would float around on the horizon at dusk as luminous forms. So you've got these stark parallels of characteristics. As I'm creating this compendium of characteristics or traits—behavior, appearance, language, histories, kinds of technologies or magic, as it would have been called in the old days—I

11:19 These are the same entities that I have known all my life, which people would normally in ufology call either Nordics or Tall Whites. After Charles Hall's book he called them Tall Whites and that term sort of stuck as an alternative term for them but pre-Charles Hall's books in the early 2000s people would normally refer to the more often as Nordics And then I continue to look for them using this compendium of characteristics, finding new cases that seem to have these same beings in them with barking growling speech whistling chirping speech big blue eyes fine white hair etc and so on. Then each new case serves to re-inform the list and add extra traits

12:01 to bulk it out, to aid in finding more cases with the same beings and building it and building it together clearer picture of these people. These crypto terrestrials. Mm-hmm well that is definitely a good summary! And let's get a little deeper into this idea that these beings described as fairies aliens and angels are really the crypto terrestrials living among us and that they use advanced technology to mystify us I love the idea. I often call the Earth a human terrarium because i think it's fun, and like Charles Ford's conclusion that we are property you write in the book Mac Tony suggested in his book that the crypto-terrestrials perhaps are masquerading as ETs because they don't want us to know about their entrenched presence here or as you say in the book to quote Terrence McKenna We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something

12:56 which disguises itself as an extraterrestrial invasion so as to not alarm us." Which is such a fun paradoxical statement. You also say that, to them we are free-range ancient humans which is circling around the same type of thing But it is a little different. Break that phrase down for us, free-range ancient humans? That's maybe a word that people wouldn't expect to see in there, ancient. Ah yes well that's actually an element I just left out of my book in a nutshell so you're right to pick me up on that because I forgot to mention that element which is a very important one. The investigation as I carry it out hints more and more to them being

13:43 future versions of ourselves. So not only have they been here for a very long time with us, in our timeline interacting with us their reason for being here and their origin really is a distant future of ours Their reason for returning is to repair reinvigorate failing genomes And we are to them ancient versions of themselves that are healthier in certain respects because they have a lot of maladies and pathologies that have come about for a slew of different reasons. Some of them are negative mutations, but a lot of it has to do with the detrimental elements of deliberate genetic engineering for extended periods of time where they have sought to extend their own lifespans and improve themselves physically in certain ways. But genomes are holistic systemic

14:43 naturally evolved system that really, if you deliberately choose to alter it in certain ways unforeseen symptoms and side effects will arise all over the place that you hadn't planned upon. And this is what has happened to them where they can live for a very very long time if they're lucky they can live as long as seven to eight hundred years and I reach massive heights of up to nine and ten foot they slowly continue to grow but they are very susceptible to diseases, certain pathologies, maladies as I said and also injuries. They take a long time to physically heal so they can die from a broken bone. A broken bone that would be nothing overly damaging to us can be lethal to them and they require for their new generations to bolster their own DNA with some of our ancient DNA. DNA from

15:43 themselves from ancient times before we began to mess with our own DNA. I was talking to someone about this the other day, and they said you'd think that futuristic humans would have solved all these problems—that they would have conquered cancer and disease and would be able to heal themselves at dramatic rates if they had physical damage injuries. But it's that kind of thinking that got them in the mess in the first place, thinking that a naturally evolved genome can be altered and clipped and tampered with and not have any repercussions. And so they haven't been able to fix themselves through interfering more deliberately. So they have come back to the source which is

16:32 Us as we are now at a time before and us in our recent past as well And they went back into our past really they've been here for thousands of years now after having come from a future time So it gets very complicated, but they require us to bolster themselves and to reinvigorate themselves Really? And so that's what I mean by saying the free-range archaic humans Mm-hmm right on But yes, man. I love this stuff and the reason i'm probably most attracted to your position is that I see a lot of parallels with the mindset of scientists today and what they're doing. Genomic alteration sounds like these science headlines that I'm seeing so

17:18 I just think it's compelling that we might be at some kind of a point in the timeline where like we might be repeating the very same problems potentially, but elaborate on this technology aspect because when people have these encounters we put them in the paranormal box because of some of the astonishing things that happen and When you talk about encounters, you usually talk about the suits that they might be wearing and the qualities of those suits. And mind reading technology help us see these strange encounters through that technical lens rather than something mystical esoteric or supernatural this might be The hardest pill to swallow in your thesis for some people in this audience who might think well what about this case? What about that case but

18:12 Help us understand how this could all be done through advanced technology. Okay, yeah for sure! Well through the book I gradually build a picture of these suits that they wear now i have seen them myself as well but i wanted to find them in other cases and demonstrate to people that these particular suits that i call Boas suits B-O-A-S and i named it after Antonio Villas Boas famous case from Brazil where he met these pale skinned beings, huge blue eyes white hair. They weren't very tall they'd say well that were they tall whites? They weren't very tall but the tall whites take a very long time to grow as Charles Hall talks about in his Millennial Hospitality book so if I put all what is still going to be probably be about 40 years old like f-o-r-t-y forty not fourteen or fifty even years old So we saw these

19:07 barking, growling beings. But they were wearing these tight suits with goggles and headgear and I was sort of...I was thinking that was the first example of one of these suits in sort-of the modern UFO era being witnessed Now CaliCale Christopher Bledsoe Sr Charles Hall himself in his fifth book which I could go into a little bit later where he thinks he was interacting with tall greys but In my opinion these were just tall whites wearing these suit as well These suits, they have goggles that glow red at night. They have a helmet that has telepath tech in it. So these beings the tall whites or Mugina they call themselves, or P52 Orions and we can get into why they are Orion's as well in later stage but even though they're indigenous to this earth of had an association with Orion and that's why their children of Orion

20:03 I can talk about that again a bit later. But the suits themselves have a long nose-like appendage that comes up from the... That goes on over the top and covers some of their helmet, and then hangs down their face Then they have like a breathing apparatus under that tight dark outfit with like a circular technology on the front as well usually black or dark gray in appearance but these suits cloak And they can be completely invisible So you just would not know they were there at all. Or sometimes they have a slight shimmery heat haze look that's been made famous by the likening these kinds of suits to the effect that The Alien had in the old Predator movie franchise with Arnold Schwarzenegger and whatnot, but this kind of sort of shimmering look sometimes or otherwise just completely invisible These suits can levitate If they levitate while they are visible They sort of blur over and get a nebulous sort of

21:01 cloud look to them that starts to shimmer and move and actually sort of makes them indistinct looking. And then they lift off the ground, they have a field that they can implement there that makes them invulnerable To bullets or people trying to attack them with any kind of sharp weapon These suits as well have an ability to become intangible so that it can pass through walls Through solid objects The nose piece I don't actually talk about what the nosepiece is for in the book, but this is something that I've come to understand since. The nosepiece is most likely to replicate and resonate and amplify sounds that they are making themselves They make a lot of animalistic sounds so they have different kinds of languages Their normal original natural language sounds a little bit like Japanese or Korean

21:55 It isn't Japanese or Korean, but if there were languages spoken on the earth today that sounded the closest to the way these guys speak when they're speaking their natural language it'd be Japanese or maybe Korean. But they also have camouflage languages that mimic wildlife and so they sound like dogs barking growling chirping birds... They have this sound Sometimes they sound a bit like a monkey or a fox, like the laughter that a fox makes. And they can also make massively loud bellowing and roaring sounds and whoops to communicate over long distances in which case this extra technology that is a nose piece is like an amplifier that goes up on top of their skull as well over the top of their helmet inside the helmets is telepath technology so there are no more psychic or telepathic than we are naturally

22:43 they rely on technologies for that. Or at least this race does, there are other races apparently that are biologically telepathic and have genetically engineered themselves to be like that but these guys aren't like that they're more like us in most ways and they use this telepathic technology to project into your mind linguistic statements or abstract ideas or images or fear, visceral fear to repel or expel you from a place if your too close to where their children are playing say. Or too close to where they have an underground habitation they're currently in They move around the world and chase the heat So in state and national parks all around the world they'll have these underground bases but there not necessarily always manned But if you are somewhere that don't want you to be that can force fear into your mind or alternatively

23:39 If they judge you, being able to read your mind. If they judge you as the kind of person that would maybe fight rather than flee if you were too scared? They'll use different methods and they might fill your mind with love and feelings of gratitude And try to disarm you and remove you as a threat with that tactic So shadow people are them Now there might be some other kinds of elements coming into this I don't know what to think about ghosts residue of deceased humans moving around the world haunting people or remaining in places where they died, or whether it was a traumatic experience. I really don't know whether those things exist but i do know that these guys are responsible for most hauntings if you've got

24:27 Poltergeist phenomena if you wake up in the morning and your frying pan's in your freezer, or they've smashed glasses maybe. Or you hear things smashing and when you get up there is actually no damage. People voices disembodied voices in the night growling sounds music playing footsteps around the house shadow people as I said people standing over top of you at night sleep paralysis sometimes sleep paralysis is them although of course sleep paralysis can be caused by other things So these guys, their technologies are so sophisticated that to us they look something magical about them really or spiritual or something like that. Or sort of para-physical or something like that. Well these are nuts and bolts technologies that are used for dramatic effect but to us just appear as magic or something of the kind

25:19 Right on. And so if they are responsible for hauntings, is that because maybe a person lives too close to one of their tunnels or bases? I guess that'd have to be... Yeah, I think there are different reasons why someone would experience hauntings. You're right! That's one of them. People that are encroaching on areas especially if towns are getting larger and people are building where they wouldn't have whether we know homo sapiens presence really at one stage houses and buildings that are back onto wilderness areas or national or state parks, perhaps as well. Yeah this can attract their attention not necessarily in an aggressive way but sometimes in an aggressive way they'll try to repel or expel people from a place if they think that they're just too close to their children, too close to their own business like the Skinwalker Ranch case is probably the most famous case of the tall whites, the Mugina

26:17 driving a family through psychological warfare off their land because they're too close to where they've got their own things going on, their own business going on. Especially if they read your mind and can tell that you have aggressive tendencies towards them. If you owned dogs as well this can really annoy them. They kill a lot of dogs, they kill a lot about dogs. They sort of conflicted And sometimes people say these are all contradictions because they're vegetarians or vegans, really. They don't eat any animal products that don't even wear animals, any clothing made from animal materials and they have a strong respect for the earth and for the maintenance of this biosphere but if I feel threatened

27:00 They can be lethal and when it comes to they don't keep pets themselves, and I don't really understand that impulse that we have And when it comes to our guard dogs and things like that if they feel threatened by dogs They'll slash their throats or they'll kill them in other ways. They wear long two-inch Prosthetic claws as part of these boa suits as well. They've clawed fingers four long fingers with a tiny vestigial thumb further up their hand Yeah, so that's one reason for haunting us. Another reason for haunting us is breeding programs where like the case of Peter Currie and like happened to Tenevillus Boas where they had sexual encounters with Mugina or tall whites well in the ancient Irish fairy and Gaelic Scottish and Irish fairy faith there was a being called Anjananshii, the fairy lover

27:54 And it would be a beautiful woman that would come to male mortals or a man that will come to females and they'd either summon the mortal away for trysts elsewhere, or they visit them in their home. Then you've got that parallel with the current ET related stuff as well. Now some people belong to their breeding programs as well which is supposed to be voluntary The problem with that is, and I think a lot of people listening to this will find that there's a bit of an ethical issue with this. If you are part of their breeding program, sometimes you have half-remembered succubus or incubus interactions and things like that... At some stage you have said yes but might not remember being asked. Now that's sort of an ethical issue there if you've been asked for permission and they've said can you help us save our race

28:49 you are going to be protected by us, you will have certain benefits by being associated with us. We can help you and improve your own health, keep you living longer than you would have normally lived," and all these kinds of things—if they ask you when you say yes, they're not going to let you remember it. They're not going to let you remember many of the encounters, and they won't even let you remember most likely. Won't let you remember having said yes to it even though you have So that gets sort of a bit messy there. Well, I do think that from a lot of different sources i've heard that it seems like the universe runs on contracts and deals and agreements and this rule That you can't violate free will a lot of people might try to

29:31 find loopholes to that whether it's the elite or demons have been summoned or these beans it just seems like I hear that so much as a theme that man I wanna just steamroll these people but I can't I can't I gotta get them do agree I got to get them doing by me and it's just interesting to hear that in this context is well yeah you don't seem to work like that particularly with them as well they have a sophisticated system of agreements and treaties. And they have had treaties with the powers that be, the people that run our world whoever they are. Yeah signed treaties and at different stages have thought it might be beneficial for the world to reveal themselves? At which times they're usually told by the Homo sapiens power structure no

30:24 No, you shall not reveal yourselves because there'll be too much panic etc and so on. I mean we can be very cynical about this if these beings were to show themselves they have access to wonderful technologies if they were to share even a fraction of it with us We would have free energy It would be wonderful for the earth and the biosphere and everything And there are a lot of people in powerful positions in the homo sapiens structure that are benefiting from the current status quo and no access to these free energies. So this is all part and parcel to it, but yeah they do make agreements And as far as I'm concerned it seems either they have decided to ignore the human power structure and are deciding just begin to interact with more people because they feel like it and the Earth's in trouble now so we've done our dash basically

31:20 and they want to reveal themselves and help steer things down a different channel. Or there is a possibility as well, in fact this is probably more likely that the Homo Sapiens power structure has now decided it IS time! And everyone's in agreement- the beings themselves whoever you wanna call clandestine groups like Majestic or whatever they would call themselves nowadays... ...or if you don't believe that Majestic 12 ever existed whatever kind of entity, whatever kind of system in place of powerful people in the know. that are governing things in the background, the dudes behind the curtain. There seems to be maybe some kind of consensus happening now so it's not that the beings are necessarily being more defiant than they would have been before it's actually that everyone has decided okay that's the end! It's time now we've put it off as long as we could you know? That might be the scariest premise of all but man... So vegans who

32:16 arrogantly obsessed over science and medical genetic intervention got it the future is a liberal wet dream cool you know just messing around but hey i also interviewed this guy pierre sabac who he calls these beings angelic sailors he also looks at the cross comparative stuff mainly between biblical angel accounts and modern ufo encounters But he expressed it as beings who mastered wave-particle duality, which is obviously like a technology thing. I mean another way to look at it Is they possibly could be spiritual beings that can manifest physically for a short time and I'm undecided on really what to think of all that and it kind of gets to be semantics if you're a being that can remove itself from physical reality...I mean we're splitting hairs but

33:06 Let's get into why the name of the book is Children of Orion, because I have so many questions and we're just breezing through here. Almost done with an hour already! But... So many mysteries have this Orion overlap. So many ancient structures and traditions flesh out this connection for us. Yeah yeah that's right. Probably like the most famous example of a man-made structure that seems to conform to Orion constellation in the stars is the pyramids, the Pyramid of Giza. The Al-Nataq, Al-Nilam and Min Takkah are three stars of Orion's belt and they're represented in perfect relationship relative to each other as the layout of Orion's belt. And then pyramids in Central America South America have similar layouts all through other parts of America as well I think there's a guy called

34:00 I can't remember his surname at the moment. Gary David? The guy who wrote Mirrors of Orion, and he's written a couple of different books relating to this and finding as many structures around the world that seem to conform to this layout so that's interesting in itself but in the Antonio Villas-Boas case where you know He was a Brazilian farmer who was working on his tractor at night To escape the heat of the day And he had had interesting UFO experiences previous to this main encounter. But he saw what looked like a red star approaching, he realized it was a craft that landed These beings clad in these dark suits grabbed him put him on board I think they rubbed some kind of gel over his body They gassed him and also took some blood from his chin Like they nicked his chin And then they left him in a room where he had a sexual encounter with a female

34:58 Now over the door, and then I think afterwards they showed him around the craft and then they booted him out. But over the door of the craft were what he said looked like hieroglyphs or writing And he reproduced those. These symbols are things that i've seen myself in my own encounters And also another experiencer of Tor White's from Spain, Julio Fernandez in 1978 I think it was. He had mental images projected into his mind of some of these symbols as well but these symbols and people can look them up online if you type in Antonio Villas-Boas hieroglyphics or Antonio Villas Boas writing and look up on Google Images or something you'll find them

35:41 In amongst these lines and hieroglyphs, there's three dots. And the three dots conform to Orion's belt as well. Now that may be just a coincidence in itself but this is a recurring theme so you find for example as well the case of Christopher Bledsoe Sr who was famous for their 2007 Fayetteville incident I mean he, after that point he has had a lot of different experiences in his whole family. Lots of poltergeist experiences and shadow people Yes we did have him here a few months ago and i was lucky enough to spend some time with him but what a wild case Nice yeah the very wild case yeah intense like it's gotta be like the most intense multiple witness event on record I'd say or if its not one of the top ones

36:32 Where he's not only did his son see at the same time, his son also witnessed a lot of this but the three contractors were there fishing as well witnessed a lot of this stuff. But he in hypnotic regression recalled seeing this seven-foot being in his front yard and he had a sketch artist do it for him and The sketch is very very close to the Crabwood crop circle image of 2002 Right now the Crabwood crop circle image is famous because it has Orion's belt in it Again, it's the three marks beside the being in the Crabwood crop circle image that has an image of a ET entity that is holding a disk with binary code on it.

37:11 And sorry to interrupt, but just so people know the message and binary that is included with that crop circle. Maybe you're going to get to it, but its beware the bearers of false gifts and their broken promises much pain, but still time there is good out there we oppose deception conduit closing. And that's a very provocative and interesting message I mean who knows what they could be referring to? False gifts? Broken promises Not from our governments. Yeah, yeah and also there's a possibility they're making reference there to another particular race of being that was a bit more negative like the craft that Bob Lazar

37:56 I believe Bob Lazar, by the way. I'll just say that right now even though there's lots of people in the UFO community that don't because his paper trail doesn't really add up he doesn't have the qualifications according to the institutions he went to this kind of thing well this is run-of-the-mill counterintelligence stuff anyway if you're relying on those kinds of measures to ascertain set the truth value with someone's claim who when it comes to matters a national security especially relating to the ETUFO question, you can't limit yourself like say Stanton Freeman did to investigating Bob Lazar purely on those grounds. I mean if their back story... If their qualifications are there

38:38 I would suggest that to be a red flag. It depends on how you look at it, but anyway Bob Lazar himself... Yeah no it's true! Bob Lazar himself, I do believe that dude. I also believe Dan Burish which makes me quite unpopular in ufology in general but Dan Burish definitely telling the truth But so was Bob Lazar. Dan Burish claimed to be a microbiologist In the 90s working at S4 as well. Dan Crane his real name is So the craft that Bob Lazar was working on belonged to P-45 JROD, so they're sort of like a grey. What in pop culture would be called a grey? But they supposedly are not...

39:19 as amiable and amicable and agreeable, as say the tall whites or some of the other ones. I'm totally open to multiple Beans for sure but just to bring it back to Children Of Orion so we have all these Orion references that seem disconnected and mysterious but what is this story there? These beans are us! But they are the children of Orion?! Yeah, so for those people that understand what crypto terrestrial means and then say that the books also killed children of Orion would automatically be thinking hold on this is a contradiction isn't it? Okay. So what is is that they're a race that was indigenous to here but in their own timeline in a world that now will never be not to us anyway there were cataclysms and upheavals on the earth in the early 21st century in their own past

40:19 caused chaos and the end of civilization as people, as we know it. Now there was a pole shift so that solar flares all of these elements cause to these massive disruptions on the earth some people be elite in this narrative in this paradigm That I do believe is actually true And explains the origin of these beings The elites of the world had already been preparing for this and they went underground The average Joes of the world were left to fend for themselves on the surface of the Earth. Some survived, and after thousands and thousands of years, the ones on the surface began to re-establish some sort of high level technologies... ...and went to the moon! The ones that were descended from the wealthy elites that were underground? They stayed on the Earth. The ones who went to the moon more time passed they went to Mars I know i'm using past tense here but it's not really

41:18 Language kind of breaks down because there's no real tense system to talk about this kind of thing. This is sort of like a potential reality It's not the past, it's not the future but anyway So they went to Mars though were there again for an extended period thousands years before they finally left To where there were earth-like planets or our planet I'm not sure if it's plural orbiting the Alnolam star or Epsilon Orionis which is the middle star in Orion's belt and they didn't come back. And then after a prolonged period of time, the people left on Earth that were descended from the underground elites began to perfect time travel. They traveled back to their ancient past and crashed at Roswell 24 000 years after... So the Roswell craft was a time machine not a spacecraft really but

42:15 And then they stayed on the Earth for a prolonged period of time more and ended up going to Reticulum. So they ended up leaving Earth as well, and the ones in Reticulum came to be what people kind of think of as greys although there's ones that were more dark brown color or even from further in the future from the same system whereas the ones that were from Orion are what people call Nordics or tall whites These two groups of individuals with impoverished genetic systems codes genomes found each other again, tens and tens of thousands of years into the future. Found each other again tried to help each other to repair each others genetic problems Realized that neither of them could assist the other and there were elements missing from their DNA And decided to launch a joint operation To return to their ancient past and recolonize inside the earth

43:14 to be using ancient versions of themselves as, like we were saying before, free-range archaic humans. And they're still here! So they are Future humans, they're from our past. They're here now It gets quite complicated and then also the talking about time travel it's debatable as to whether or not you could really call them time travelers because it depends on what you mean by time travel more like timeline travelers Yeah timeline travelers so almost interdimensional travelers really because we're not really from their own past We're from an alternative timeline that is

43:51 for all intents and purposes, identical to their own ancient past without being it. Right... Anyway so yeah it gets very very complicated and there's no real shortcuts to a lot of this like you sort of dive into this kind of stuff And as I mentioned Dan Burish people often pull me up on that because he is one the least believed characters or people in ufology really, probably. Not many people believe Dan Burish it has had a lot to do with some people that are very influential in Ufology some of the figures in modern ufology decided against him fairly early on and so he doesn't get much airtime People if they bother ever considering his testimony do so in a really derisive fashion Now the odd thing about all this is one of the main

44:48 Movers and Shakers that were anti-Dan Burrish, Mr. Knapp invited me onto his show when I was on Coast to Coast where he praised my book which is heavily pro-Burrish Now we didn't embarrass each other by talking about Burrish He's sort of like the elephant in the room And the interview other than audio issues, went okay. He was very friendly and he was very professional and seemed enthusiastic about the book and seemed to have genuinely read it as well I could tell from those kinds of questions he was asking So i think that is a bit of a milestone I don't know if you could really pin the guy down and say to him hey do you support Boorish now or not? If you try to do something like that I think that might embarrass him a bit And he might even deny it But certainly...I think its a symbolic interview

45:37 Right. Yeah, and congrats on that and let me ask you this so well with Dan Burrish I know from your previous interviews that you asked these beings that you have a relationship with if he was trustworthy And they said yes, and that's good enough for me Maybe we can get more of the details later but because we are at that first and second hour split It's hard to this isn't really You know let's wait a little bit before we get into that but one more question I wanted to try to squeeze into this first hour is So just to summarize we have these beans that are adjacent us on a different timeline of future time when they jump into our timeline because of their degraded genetics in what would be our ancient past and then religions crop up around these experiences with these beings very lower crops i mean even george adamsky and his case said that they told him that

46:31 They were here the whole time and a lot of religions sprung up over these sightings and not knowing what to make of them. We've seen UFO cults come to being in the modern world, so it's not too far-fetched to think that. And of course major themes between aliens and fairies are taking children and people and living alongside us in underground facilities and a lot of physical descriptions are a match too Major themes of abduction and genetics in interbreeding are in there but also warnings to be good stewards of the planet.

47:09 I'm curious why this theme always comes up. Obviously, if they share the planet with us they don't want us to destroy it but why isn't it a stronger theme in UFO lore to warn us about CRISPR technology and cloning and global mRNA vaccination campaigns and genetic tinkering as much as they warn us about pollution and nukes? since their impoverished DNA is the key to their need to be here. You would think they would mention that like, hey don't meddle under the hood of the human body you know that kind of stuff? That warning never comes up it's always nukes and it's interesting because nukes are what humans think of as an existential threat and these other things aren't really on the human radar but they should be on these other beings' radar because this was their key problem

47:58 Yeah, you are right. You don't really hear that repeated do you? Now this may be a key reason for them perhaps in my opinion beginning some kind of revelation of themselves more where they are interacting more and more from what I can tell with paranormal research groups now i'm just going to say there's it...I don't know if listeners will be familiar with them they might be because the guys really popular these days and their channels really exploding there. But the Twin Paranormal YouTube channel, Twin Paranormal... It's new to me so I'm assuming it's new to a chunk of the audience too? A group of young guys from Nevada that

48:39 They're probably in their 20s or something like that, but they use a lot of interesting toys and gadgets to wander around to paranormal hot spots and haunted places. I've been watching them for a little while now Now they usually operate under the presumption that they are interacting with deceased humans And most of the questions they ask are sort-of aligned to that This is what's motivating for them the most part That they're contacting ghosts When i watch their series, I see them contacting cryptoterrestrials. The Mugina, for the most part in my opinion, most of their paranormal activities and places that they visit are having these intense interactions with cryptoterrestrials with tall wights cloaking speaking to them through their like

49:24 voice app devices and EVP stuff, and also running around them and making noises. Even the most recent episode was very interesting because there was the chirping, growling... And also at one stage right near the end of the episode they hear in the distance what they think is laughter but to me it sounds very much like these high-pitched sort of monkey or fox like sounds that they make as well so They're having massive, massive cryptoterrestrial contact every episode they put on pretty much. And also you know Trey Hudson that wrote The Meadow Project? He's investigating a paranormal hotspot that he likens to Skinwalker Ranch but it's somewhere in the south in the states but he doesn't let the cat out of the bag to exactly where it is because he doesn't want people to rush over there and spoil this interesting little patch. But in his book

50:20 It's definitely the Mugina, in my opinion. The Crypto-Terrestrials He even found and took a photo and put it in his book The Meadow Project A photo of...it's a rock, it's a sculpture of a head And it is very very close to a Boa Suit head It even has like the long nose with the flared out part that sort of looks like a nose of a proboscis monkey or something It even has at the top of its head running up from the nose a distended part which is the top section of the nose And he and his paranormal research group have been having high level contact with them. One of their group even got abducted, and was taken on a trip around the valley while the others were away... ...and then had himself returned with his memory wiped but they could tell from his sat-nap stuff that he had on him that he'd been shooting all over the valley! Really really interesting stuff also they heard the samurai chatter you know like the Orions or the Crypto Terrestrials, the Majina

51:21 words for the same thing. They make a lot of camouflage sounds, so he heard them chirping whistling meowing and things like that He had a guy there with him at the time that was... That was a bit of a bird nerd So he knew about different bird calls and things like that And he was saying one of the bird noises they were hearing really shouldn't be that high The elevation should be too high It should be you know high in the mountains And so that was a bit odd But um they also heard typical tall white language, samurai chatter. Like the Sierra sounds! The Sierra sounds are not Sasquatch they're definitely tall whites. The sounds... I don't know if people listening to your show Greg probably familiar with Ron Moorhead and Al Berry recording these sounds in the Sierra Mountains in the early 70's, Sierra Nevada mountains. And they sound like really deep resonating almost like a samurai sound

52:15 sort of Japanese being spoken in a very aggressive, masculine kind of way. It sounds like that also coupled with coughing and barking sounds and whistling monkey-like sounds and fox-like sounds all this kinda stuff is definitely Tall Whites I even talked to Ron Moorhead about this and said hey! I don't think there's a Sasquatch dude This is Tall Whites And he said well... He doesn't know what was doing it in the end All he knows is whatever was making the sound had really big feet And tall whites have huge feet anyway, so that's fair enough. But he also was experiencing sophisticated high technology Orbs You know these guys they weren't just hearing these sounds that they thought were Sasquatch or whatever They were seeing orbs and UFOs Ron Moorhead as well talks about something that looked kind of like the blade of a lightsaber Just the light without the handle slowly cruising across the top surface of the ground Like maybe it was scanning the ground

53:15 hearing these humming sounds coming from in the earth or at treetop level. Humming sounds is indicative of an underground mudgineer habitation as well, this crops up in lots and lots of different cases sometimes sounding like it's coming from within the earth or sometimes up above you a treetop level but the activity sorry The point I was trying to make is that activities are ramping up at the moment And what you were saying about genetics If I can bring it back to that, sorry. The genetic issues... This might be all part of it where they are deciding they can't have us not only using nukes or degrading the environment in general through pollution and consumerism and whatnot but also they can't have us beginning an enterprise into changing our genomes because they require our genomes to be natural otherwise we're worthless to them

54:11 Ah, yes. Well maybe there's hope for me getting a visitation yet because I am still a pureblood as they say now. Man! I definitely appreciate your book and your research and sharing your personal experiences with these future humans. I know you have plans for future books as well anything to say to the people in that regard? As we're wrapping this up Yeah i'm currently writing the second one I've been doing a lot of thinking about it for the past year or so, but only just really started putting pen to paper in the last couple of months. I'm not sure how long that one will take me to write depends on how much free time i have The last one I wrote really quickly But then it was put off for a year because of COVID mm-hmm but the current book thats available It's on Amazon and yeah check it out dudes there its paperback hardback ebook And I'm happy to say that in the pipeline There's a gentleman That's been hired

55:11 do the audiobook. And I don't know how long that will be, but at some stage there'll be an audio version too which is sweet. Nice nice and so yes i love Children of Orion people should pick it up a very well laid out case and a deep dive into a lot of other experiencers stories that maybe we forgot or haven't visited in a while? So I highly recommend it! Is there any links or contact info to leave people with? I don't know if you want to get contacted, but it's always good to ask. Well i've got a YouTube channel for people who are interested in checking that out which is just my name Ryan Musgrave Evans and I am on Facebook if people want to send me a message or something no worries that'd be cool but yeah check out my channel for those people interested I've got vlogs and things like that on there and a few old documentaries that are relevant and I make a video maybe once a week or something

56:08 Right on. Awesome, well it's definitely been a pleasure you are a special person to have these experiences best of luck out there and let me know when the new book comes out and I know you are in Australia whatever you think about the big show going on definitely keep your spirits high might be it might be a little tough right now thanks for having me man yeah cheers has been good fun oh yeah we'll get in contact with you again stay in touch eh Yes, for sure. Alright take care! Okay thanks man I loved it big fan of this one guys happy to get it out there in my attempt to alternate between the Big Agenda and non-Big Agenda related interviews this one certainly scratched an itch I've been intrigued by the idea of crypto terrestrials ever since I heard the term that these advanced beings could actually be native to the earth

57:05 I don't see why not. And when we talk to guests about fairies and angels and aliens all being in a sort of spiritual context, i think that's what we're getting at that they are from quote-unquote here in a sense. I'm open to a lot of possibilities and i know what i'm saying right now goes against this perspective that Ryan just spent all this time laying out But the best way I get my head around it all is to think that the physical world is nested inside of a soup, or ether, or consciousness. And that these beings we encounter are actually more native to that soup than they are the earth per se, or any physical place for that matter. If the fabric of consciousness is primary

57:58 beings that are rooted in that primary layer could pop in over here. I think it could go a long way into explaining why these encounters are always with us, It explains why we don't see this big technological footprint or any kind of active civilization that would be stumbled upon. It's why these encounters seem sort of timeless or that the technology that is seen in these encounters seems out-of-place for the era But hey, that's just a framework that I use to try to understand this stuff. Ryan is the one with the first-hand encounters more of a relationship really than just encounters and Just because Ryan has a relationship with one thing doesn't mean there aren't other things as well! I'm just spitballing here and all I can really do is try to incorporate this new information with the place that I was previously

58:55 And if I had to guess at the criticism that would be most prominent for this one, it's that this overall premise puts paranormal activity and encounters back into a materialist context. The very context that we're usually trying to get away from So i could see some people being like wait a minute you've been saying it's more of this and now you're saying it's more that but whatever It's important to stay open-minded I think i've learned over the years that this isn't something I'm ever really going to solve, quote unquote. We just have to keep examining it from different angles and some will seem like they get closer to the heart of things more than others

59:42 I even told Ryan that the part i thought people would struggle with most is chalking so much of the oddness of these experiences up to technology or that the red eyes people report are just goggles and a suit. I don't know about that, Ryan says he's seen the suits and I really haven't seen shit So what do I know? But I would think that even in these epic encounters People are perceptive enough to distinguish a suit from an oftentimes naked in appearance type of being, right? But if they're tapping into our minds and making a flash judgment to appear in some specific way maybe that's why we don't recognize the suits in a lot of cases. Another thing I liked about Ryan is that for some of these out-of-the box or critical questions he just says yeah that is interesting! I don't really know why that is... Maybe this maybe that they haven't really said

1:00:42 But even on top of the personal experiences, he's just a solid researcher on this stuff. He's got great recall, he focuses on some really interesting cases in ufology history... I think he's gonna get a nice bump from the people who were really into this and i hope so! Tell Ryan you enjoyed it if you did and check out his book And as much as this was supposed to avoid the big themes of our times These beings say they screwed themselves up with too much genetic tinkering. And I really wanted to make sure we got that question into the first hour because these interactions through the 50s right on up to 90's, tend to warn us about nuclear destruction which was an existential fear in the cultural zeitgeist that really peaked during those times and has been in decline kind of ever since

1:01:37 It's not a concern that is 100% gone, but it certainly isn't on the radar in the same way in the last two decades or so. So its just a little bit odd to me that the messages in these encounters, or nuclear site flyovers have always been about the nukes But that isn't what screwed these beings up If they had seeded warnings about CRISPR and genomic alteration In those earlier accounts, I think that would have been a real head-scratcher in the 60s and 70s and 80s for the average guy. But today we would look back at those cases and say okay this is exactly what those warnings were about now that we're here. Kudos to them for getting ahead of it! Clearly this phenomenon is legitimate because they were raising the alarm about a problem that wasn't even a part of our world yet as a way to legitimize these experiences to more people

1:02:36 It would be nice if we had that. And I hope i'm explaining myself well here, I'm not trying to dismantle or pick apart Ryan's perspective it's just the biggest question I have Why not warn us about the actual problem and the realm of science that caused you guys to have to embed yourselves here? Who knows maybe they're just trying to highlight one potentially world-ending technological disaster at a time Another thought is that maybe these beings are embedded in our subconscious somehow Like the concept of the Holy Guardian Angel, maybe they emerge from a deep deep part of the self that acts as a type of mirror? And it doesn't know what it doesn't know. Whatever this whole thing is I think its way too complex for a simple answer and thats good for me because we'll never run out ways to look at it!

1:03:31 But I love Ryan's insights, I love hearing about his own experiences and kudos to him for putting those experiences last in the book. I do think he is pretty humble and matter of fact about it This book didn't at all seem like ego service And that is kind of rare In this world of otherworldly being encounter books I've read enough to know As you guys are aware Im always looking for ways To make this stuff fresh And I think Ryan has done it. But if you liked the first hour, sign up for Plus to hear the second! I got a baby on the way any day now Society is on shaky ground If you can throw me a bone because you value this show over others Please do

1:04:18 Today's second hour was full of good stuff like the Dan Burrish disclosures and how they relate to Ryan's contact, inner earth stargates and Sumerian tablets. A deeper dive into the rich experiences Ryan has had with these beings all his life. Branu, Joseph, and Butterfly. Crypto-terrestrial insights into the post death experience where the crypto terrestrials live apparently they have a hot spot between ryan and gordon Their relationship to ancient megalithic sites, nuances of beings and belief systems...and what the governments know. Very provocative stuff to add to the stack! Don't let yourself miss out! Huge thanks to those who are keeping their memberships alive in trying times you can prioritize a lot of things and I'm lucky to have THC be one of them

1:05:14 And that's gonna do it. Several other shows have been recorded, I am happy with all of them...I'm gonna get em rolling out to you as soon as I can! But that's it for me. Ryan Musgrave Evans once again let's hear it! I'm sure a lot of you guys will be pondering some of these things that Ryan said for awhile. I know I have been But I'm out. I've done my part, your move future selves beings from beyond and crypto terrestrials from the troubled timeline Your fucking move When you see weird lights outside of your door Something sits on your chest when you sleep It might be a pattern You've been through before

1:06:04 Mmm, mmm Oh you might have those screen memories Darling wait till we get some proof Still we'll make them see And baby I tried the camera right I'm not crazy I think how people can't get free from mistakes It's getting just a bit out of hand We really just want to get back on with our days Don't care about the hybriding plan So honey now, don't walk into the skinny arms No they came from the sky from out of the stars

1:07:15 Place something on my beating heart Maybe this damn life is too bizarre I can tell when they're gone cause my memories fade But we know that it's not just a dream Cause they never put me back exactly the same way And the pain is as real as the scream

1:07:52 Honey, our goals might be the whole goal as sense of theme The higher side chats has covered all that we're breaking free I'm thinking how people can't get free from this disgrace It's getting just a bit out of hand We really just want to get back on with our days Don't care about the hybrid in plan But now, don't walk into their skinny arms No they came from the sky from out of the stars Play something I'm a beating heart

1:09:02 I'm shouting out loud, baby this damn life is too bizarre So honey now Don't walk into the skinny, oh No they came from the sky from out of the stars

1:09:51 Play something on my beating heart I'm shouting out, oh Baby this damn life is too bizarre Honey i think we're on some kind of far Baby this damn life is too bizarre