Ryan Cristian | Trump 2.0 Election Aftermath, Statism, & Smart Dust

00:00 Alright people, I am gonna make this quick but i just had to announce that for the next six weeks or so getting into the holiday season. I'm putting a lot of my show outlines up for auction again! I've mentioned before that I stick to a strict routine when preparing for and recording THC episodes and part of that process 95% of the time going back many years has been compiling my mess of notes into A roughly four to six page outline that I print out and then conduct the interview from as a template. I write in the margins, cross questions off as we go along, jot things down a guest says that I don't want to forget and usually have a good deal of material in these outlines that never even makes it air

00:44 When an interview is done, I put a little staple in the corner and throw them in the drawer until the time comes to dust them off and show them for the holidays. Some folks seek out signed scripts of their favorite movies or try to nab a concert setlist before filing out into the parking lot... well this is like that but for a weird obscure podcast So I am signing, listing and auctioning off another round of these outlines. I have to any listeners who might be interested in that kind of thing each one is totally unique full of my own dumb notes and typos never really designed for public consumption but it's fine

01:20 If you're into it, they'll be listed on eBay. The link is at the top of the show notes and I'll post links across the social media dystopias that i happen to have an unfortunate presence on All the listings are set to go for 10 days each so have at it! And I'll be ready to stuff those envelopes on the other side Merry Christmas to me Enjoy! The planet's perfect masters almost surely have a plan There's clearly maybe something there beyond the realm of man

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02:36 Because we know they're lying to us, just don't know to what degree. Where would be without THC? The highest I've checked showed great car wood and company It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, people from The Sunshine State. I'm Greg Carlwood and regardless of the outcome, I think we're all at least a little happy the election season is over right? Finally! The nauseating domination of fake political platitudes pandering and propaganda can take a backseat to the tried-and-true regularly scheduled brainwashing conditioning and manipulation that were used too

03:13 And if you're paying attention to the people out there, you can see that the range of reactions runs the gamut from absolute meltdowns of terror and fear... ...to giddy elation in savior complexes in full swing. Showing us that many people are living in two totally separate reality tunnels that are gonna be pretty hard to reconcile Well, in such a situation I seek out calm rational voices of the counterculture who aren't heavily invested in either team. And today that's Ryan Christian of The Last American Vagabond He has been here three times before and he is well known for his unbiased coverage of our widespread corruption and lately the geopolitical tiptoe towards full-scale war

03:52 Here to get into what the results of the election might mean for the cautiously optimistic conspiratorial mind, that dedicated truth teller propaganda parser and the last true American vagabond. Ryan, welcome back! I think you're muted. Of course we pulled that right at the beginning. Thanks for having me back on brother. I always enjoy your openings. Yeah maybe you can tell i just woke up so maybe thats why Well, there's a lot of people who need to just wake up. It seems but I do love having you here obviously i have to line up interviews weeks in advance so we set this up before we knew how this election was going to go and I wanted to make sure whoever I talked about it first was gonna be pretty objective and unemotional about the results whatever they were

04:35 Personally, I was a little surprised. I thought the establishment and media had done a pretty good job of wrapping Kamala Harris in the most generous favorable coverage possible, braiding out all the ditty party celebrities psychically driving the whole convicted felon phrase over and over And that was gonna be it. I was surprised that didn't happen as expected and you can say that maybe people saw through one layer of propaganda classic and fell into a more nuanced and complex form if you really want to be completely cynical, but what were some your first thoughts when you saw the red wave hit?

05:13 Probably a little more cynical, probably be honest about it. I mean, you know kind of jokingly ways leading to what you said there but i mean You know, I think we've all gone through this so many times I don't get why people continue to feel like even if everything you think is true about this process, that we have to acknowledge that this just does not drive us anywhere. And that's what the earliest levels of kind of awareness around this but just to address what you were highlighting and I've been saying this from the earliest stages of this and it's been my opinion only ever gonna be my opinion because how could I really know what the plan was or who thought despite all the partisan media always kinda framing their opinions about things as the facts its kinda one thing to kill me about

05:49 I think that it seems interestingly obvious that Donald Trump has come to power in the most important moments when his following would have been the most problematic for what agenda was coming. Whether that's just the way it worked out and that's organic or you know, whatever you look at it as we have to acknowledge that is interesting and that is the case like during COVID-19 he was the person that was in power and it ultimately pacified some who would have been The most resistant like I don't mean that they were completely out screaming about It's not they were not pushing back but just think about the difference if that had been Clinton And everybody knows this point. Everyone's made this point, I mean it would have been wild to watch the Republicans they would have been more so marching through the streets analogy right? Realistically that's probably what we should've been doing you know in a lot of ways but then we see the time frame where a continuation of all that Donald Trump and I argue whoever would be in that position ultimately began and that's the operation warp speed, vaccination process

06:46 The lockdowns, I mean everything. Everything that happened during Biden's administration under the COVID-19 time frame was only really possible which again they could do whatever they want but realistically under the guise that we have process and democracy then that was why these things continue to move forward. The Defense Production Acts, the lockdowns, the state of emergency all these different things but again it is not one or the other. They are absolutely both equally responsible in my opinion just your government for for all that happened. And now we're rolling back into a time where the way I look at it, and I think we all see it in The Great Reset peaking its head back out you've got Elon Musk rolling out all these things that were just checking every box. Everybody in his cabinet for the most part that I can see is completely tied in with the biomedical field with The Great Reset dynamic with sore... Everything that they were otherwise concerned about and still a lot of them uncomfortable and even the vaccination conversation. So I just find it interesting

07:37 I guarantee pacified a lot of them. Now, all that aside...I think the Kamala Harris dynamic is fascinating because can't we all recognize that even she became more ridiculous? During this process, she went from being something that was like everybody was okay just going you're terrible and we think you're a bad person. Even your own party she was one of them and still I argue is despite the political manipulation one of the most unpopular political candidates. We all knew that! And then it just got turned into were gonna pretend thats not true were gonna say things like we think free speech is a problem even though its obvious both parties are actively going to be taking steps to remove your free speech and id love to get into that around the asymmetric aspect everyone seems to ignore

08:18 I guess long story short to get into it, I think that ultimately or long story long the Kamala Harris was being framed whether by her knowledge or not or involvement as the ridiculous cartoonish version of herself to drive even Democrats to support Donald Trump. Which i've seen more than i've ever seen in any political dynamic in my life and you know what? But all said and done, I hope you guys are right about it. I hope that's because he is the better choice and he'll bring in all these great things but I'm sure we'll get into all the different points and what's already going on with RKJr and I'm not very hopeful about it but I want to make sure that's clear. I really genuinely hope you're right and I will be the first person to go, I was so wrong and I can't be happier about it." Yeah there's totally a difference between what you want to happen and what you think will happen and we're talking about what you think will happen

09:03 I think you raised some interesting points, but kind of in line with what you were saying. I have heard the argument that they let this happen so that they can crash everything on his watch and economic pandemic sort of thing. And that might teach people a lesson about supporting people that they think are outside of the entrenched network, but also it might be a pacifier like you say if you've got a big project do you want to roll out? And you know that there could be riots in the street Let the little outsider puppet be at the head of the wheel so that people aren't as quick to riot and storm the Capitol or whatever they might do. That's an interesting point

09:42 So, another reason we're talking on Friday when the election was Tuesday is I really didn't think we would have results as fast as we did. I guess we're still kind of waiting on the House results which...I don't understand isn't it just another build-in circle in the same fucking form? But regardless, I wanted to step back and talk about the Election Day itself. I know it's all in the rearview mirror now but I saw stories of gas leaks and russian bomb threats and glitches and outages in one attempted self emulation a lot of speculation that trump had a milania stand then with this woman who is wearing big sunglasses inside barely even look like his wife.

10:20 And then harris had that super cringy moment where she faked a phone call and accidentally showed her screen it was on the camera app kind of a wild day but as i say yes none of it really matters because the wind was so decisive if the boats are really tallied i don't know. You wrote a piece called why your vote no longer counts in the power of abstinence nation, From that perspective you must think of part of the system somewhere wanted this or it simply would not have happened right i mean you kinda did say that what are the point being the simply. it's incredible that we all can acknowledge in a thousand different ways that this system is manipulated, broken. You know from one side saying another country stole it to the other side saying their team cheated and those are just the most basic argument the point being that its obvious that this system is easily manipulated from the voting machine but we still continue to use what we all know or completely I mean go back to Clint Curtis testifying for state congress which was one of the most obvious examples but there thousands out right and really does show you clearly that this is easily manipulated as well understand why

11:22 pretend that's not the case when it goes the way we want it to. What we're looking at right now, there are so many anomalies to this, right? So we were all told that they were gonna cheat. The argument is, which just to be clear I don't think that. I can prove to you as anybody objective can that both sides cheat in every way they can going back as far as you can look it's an obvious thing the scope of our stuff and even the referring machines are the most obvious but in a thousand ways even things that are part of the process like gerrymandering or these things are manipulated to gain what they want over the other but you go back just say okay well so the Democrats stole from Trump. That Trump dynamic was they stole it from him okay let's agree there was cheating lets just even say exactly what happened

11:59 Okay, well nothing's changed. There are no new systems and the same machines are used so you're just going to run in the same process? And they didn't cheat enough this time?" I'm not saying maybe that is exactly what happened but it seems like a really weird dynamic and on top of that there is like a landslide. They win every part of every dynamic of both houses. It just seems kind of ridiculous unless they're gonna unroll some here's what we did this time and heres why they didn't Which by the way is sort of interesting because last time we got that whole Newsweek or with a Time Magazine article, that's like here's the shadow week of all that helped save democracy. Remember that article? That's admitting they cheated but it's okay cause it saved democracy. You know both sides admitted they were doing things like before this ever started under the guise well there are bad guys and their trying already to cheat so we're cheating essentially to save democracy

12:45 On the mind that most objective people, whether they decide to vote or lean into one party or not all see these things. And that's why we're also kind of in this lesser evils ridiculous position because the vast majority of Americans are not okay with how this all works but don't know what else to do and you got the screaming partisans on either side that are invested in the system that argue it's all because we all believe and your'e the only crazy one who wants to think even third parties somehow off the table isn't my boat? Aren't I supposed to do what I believe in? You know back to point is I think that where we are right now is, yeah you actually started with this in case your audience doesn't know my full opinion. I don't believe your vote translates to the outcome. I think that's very simple kind of for the reasons we just discussed along with a lot of them so from my perspective all of this is theater it's about trying to convince people that ultimately what does come regardless of what you think was your choice or at least the party's choice that you're now angry with or you want to hate because of it and its flip-flopping cycle like for example Jimmy Dore made this point which is a fair point

13:43 Kamal Harris and Joe Biden, their administration committed genocide. Unequivocally, there's no question. Now Donald Trump as much as I can prove to you is and we're gonna see it play out is 100% in the same position blindly supporting of Israel his cabinet is aggressively pro-Zionist that they're going to let this continue but if he was in position he would have done the same thing but we don't know that for sure right so now we have to go well we know they did genocide so we have to punish them and vote for the other side but if we can't see how transparently easy that is just kind of teeter totter us back and forth between the bad guy party who did the bad things and we realize that it's always the one in power that does the best, because it's just your government. It just oscillates around. But I know not everyone is in mind with that opinion but I think where we are now is about trying to rationalize The Great Reset, the different choices they're gonna be putting front of us as kind of responses to what the Democrats did and Republican perspective again back to point at beginning pacifies who would most resistant all this? And I'm terrified of that but I really hope that it all turns out the way they claim it will and RFK changes all these things

14:42 Like, I'll be honest. Even if he does some of the things he promised and all the bad things happen that's still a positive and I get why that might be why they felt the need to vote for this position but I also argue that itself could be the ploy just to get you to comply with what comes next. And it would be pretty easy way to look at it then we can't come back from what happens next but again I'm not trying to yell pessimistic I think thats whats happening I hold out hope your right Well, in terms of the vote mattering. I do think it is interesting that you're seeing a lot of people on both sides say where did 15 million democratic voters go? You see that chart and it's like Trumps voters from the last three elections are all pretty much within a couple million of each other and all of a sudden last election there was this 15 million extra votes! It's like huh... That's a curious thing

15:32 Even if we might be aware that elections have been manipulated for a long time, I like to see some people confronting their own biases. Their own propaganda and say oh man maybe they had a point? Maybe there was some manipulation and that's a stepping stone to seeing more manipulation perhaps if I'm trying to be super optimistic But on the subject of optimism, let's look at some of the potential positives and then we can get into the strings attached in the negative stuff. And feel free to counterpoint me I'm really...I don't know the guy! I'm not vested in it. Here are some things he said and again saying things and doing things are different. I've seen a lot of politicians lie and say well this time is going to be different but

16:16 First let's say okay it's a red sweep so that's a good thing to me because there is no excuse to not follow through. There is no congressional gridlock or any of that to blame, if things don't happen the way people who are optimistic say they will what you gonna do? Give up on elections and have no faith in the system I would say but Rfk junior obviously this is my biggest point of optimism i've interviewed him here read the book i've heard them talk on hundreds of hours a big farm vaccines process food seed oils toxins gmo's em apps and all that kind of stuff and.

16:54 To have him in a position of power over these things is basically my dream come true. I've got problems with his stances in other areas, but he's not being proposed to be in charge of other areas so let's just focus on this that looks good to me In the last days of the campaign, they were talking about getting fluoride out of the water. At least talking about it! That's good. Trump also said he is going to involve Ron Paul in assessing government waste. I like Ron Paul. I think that's a great use for him. Trump said he was gonna pursue no tax on Social Security. That would greatly help my mom if it were to happen I would love to respond to these, but I'm not going to remember all the points. Can we go back to the first one? Do you mind? Yeah! I'll stop there. Go ahead. We don't have to go in super deep, but these are excellent points. Well RFK Jr.'s a very important one and I know you have a counterpoint.

17:43 being objective about the risks and at the same time hopeful about what's happening. But I mean, for me also we should start with the point about the idea that right now it is already being put forward and it's not definitive so its not like were blindly accepting what the media is framing as but there are already very clear indications that this is not going in the way it should. That there are discussions on how he might pass through congress essentially be approved for the position which by They knew this before, and so all the conversations about it being absolute if it doesn't come to pass that is another political game. But so it seems like they're already sort of distancing the idea that this is gonna be HHS or whatever which I agree with you wholeheartedly. I mean, in a sense that would love to see that happen. I would say though that does matter to me an inconsistent or dishonest stance anywhere else even though your right its not the same as the medical health discussion versus foreign policy

18:33 But I have a hard time getting past somebody who would say they're anti-war and then support open genocide. Or at least pretend it's not, you know? So there's plenty of reasons he could be compromised, he could be lying in order to get into power but I just don't know how you morally rationalize that but I'm just saying think it does matter to me a little bit because to me as a lot of people I really respect and the principled stance they're taking genocide is a red line for me no matter how we're framing it or what part were talking about if you support that that is a huge red line for me that's a no go from no matter what Right because I mean we're talking about genocide here. We're talking about an annihilation of entire population, but the point about what you're saying and how i agree And I mean I would love to see these things and I would love to see the fluoride conversation seed oils and you know these things being removed and The exposure of endocrine-disrupting chemicals and hopefully things like dioxins in PFAS highlighting health

19:17 just overwhelmingly entrenched we are with these things that's everywhere in our lives. But I've already seen indications that won't necessarily be the case in regard to how Trump leans into RFK Jr., and on top of that, like the Floyd for example. Let's make it simple Donald Trump is already appointing people in positions in his cabinet that completely contradict those things. People who are lobbyists from big pharma. Who would some of those people be? Because I wanted to say first off Rfk was asked about the idea that the campaign was distancing himself or themselves from him now that he won. And he said, That's not true. You're referencing comments by Howard Lutnick and the campaign has walked back those statements and Howard himself has disavowed those statements. So this is just what RFK Jr saying of course, He's going to say well I was promised you know don't worry about that we will see but i'm optimistic

20:08 About the potential there's never been better potential for this and i do agree that genocide is a serious thing doesn't get much more serious you can argue that some of the things are okay wants to. Fight is a soft genocide on the American people and a lot of cases with the vaccines in the GMOs and all that. So, the point right there is important that I think that I agree with you just to be clear. I'm not saying I blindly accept it as far as in the beginning is that it's just something that has been put forward? I worry about what happening and of course this will be pushed back on all I'm saying is let's be aware Objective and right now for example all point this and i'll say this could be completely misinformation it could be a lie I worry that's what happening, do you see some of these things but let's just be ready no any responses why are you blindly by his wife. That's not what happening so i just think its really important that we don't fall headlong into the fantasy land of all those being promised and then because what happened to people then feel the need to defend the change becomes which trump did or every politician does once they become well we couldn't do because there is way too late till next year in your other stuff

21:08 That's what I worry about, and I do see those indications. Like even the people that Lutnick were discussing or even people like Pompeo or Jared Kushner. These are the exact opposite of what we're being told is happening just like last time by the way and so again, I will wait to see what officially happens but the signs are not looking good to me and I think that it's easy to disregard these for people on the inside to fight the inside with these kind of QAnon narratives that take over. There's a huge underline within his current support court that is aligned just like that. So it worries me." Well, you say these early signs worry you and some of his cabinet picks are already not good. That's what I wanted to ask about is what people are already being proposed to be in positions especially in the big pharma realm because I've only heard that he picked a chief of staff first woman ever even though he's such a sexist

21:59 I'm not saying she's a good person, but it kind of does troll the people who are like he is a total sexist person. That whole idea Whitney tweeted about this was like hey at least she is a woman right? If you look at her background it is everything we think they were fighting but the narrative will be that she is somebody who wants to change that and its really easy to say those things but if we look what happened last time they said that about Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, literally everybody who then became Trump enemies until Suddenly now they're not with Pompeo again. It's easy to pretend that what they tell you is true, I don't know why...I choose not to believe the promises of billionaires, oligarchs and architectocrats it's just me though. Wise wise! Well what other cabinet people have you seen floated in just this short amount of time?

22:42 Letnik, for example made it clear that they already have like this was the one that worried me. Now again to be very clear this is very preliminary we're talking about points and discussions and floated names and only a few picks so like right now what has been floated in wealth away to see what happens so its important from both sides not accept what you think will happen or but you know its objective. So right now like what letnik said in early discussions at interview before the election had finished with it they have basically the leaders of big pharma and defense, and I'm going like why is that what anybody wants in this position? And so one of the earliest worries was well are they gonna be packed with lobbyists just like last time. But my point is well okay if lobbyists are being put into positions in order to get those people that we just discussed in position, well they just skipped the point of a lobbyist. They're literally bringing in people... Like that was the conversation though but he was the lead of the transition team

23:32 It's fair to be able to acknowledge with what he is saying before it happens as what we currently know. And, he made it clear Big Pharma, Defense I mean the fact that people like we already discussed even Jared Kushner despite being part of the family these people are like Daniel McAdams made a big point about this if Kushner was the one who stated his in charge or playing apart and picking the transition or teams that go forward He's a die hard Zionist you know and it matters to me As much as I know it doesn't to some and I will make a point about which is interesting is

24:20 it It's a constant focus on this in the rallies, but then when we talk about Israel somehow we're the ones over focusing. I mean it's very alarming thing that I keep seeing and i think its willful disregard of how immersed is with his cabinet if it was China or Russia they'd be losing their minds Right, right. And I've heard Trump say some pretty gnarly things regarding Israel and deporting and getting rid of anybody who doesn't support Israel. And it's like, whoa dude that's pretty nuts but... And Kamal just the same difference by the way she just didn't speak out loud which is important difference

25:09 But in terms of the positions, the cabinet position. So Secretary of Agriculture is apparently going to be Representative Thomas Massey I don't know a lot about him. I know Catherine Austin Fitz is very pro she thinks that he's probably the best choice what I do know or what I do like is that apparently he has contacted Joel Salatin and to be one of his six advisors on the Committee for agriculture and joel seldon's a previous guest of mine i can't think of anyone better in the organic regenerative agriculture space to try to put big ad in check and try to fix this country in terms of our food health. I mean that to me is another,

25:50 perfect person. And I know that's way down the chain, you're talking about an advisor to a person who might be in charge of a department but still Joel Salton being involved in our government and the food area is pretty amazing to me. Is that confirmed? The mass exodus? I heard it was floated but didn't know if it was confirmed Yeah Joel actually had a statement that he made that he has been called and he has accepted Interesting Yeah, I mean so it's the same thing for me. Which I don't think it's a full endorsement or position at this point but even the Ron Paul sort of like giving that I will support kind of...I should point out as well for those who don't know my work that not only am I of the mind if the vote doesn't translate but I come from a very different perspective of whether or not everything is legitimate in this process we should probably ask ourselves whether we even should be choosing rulers over our lives like a very anarchistic mindset versus statist mindset and that's whole other conversation right?

26:45 Be clear where i come from now im of the mind if we are forced to live within this ruler society that we call democracy whatever else. that the Constitution, for example is a powerful tool. I can't have these kind of different opinions but I believe that we should not be in this position and I'm saying that because I understand why a Ron Paul or Massey might come to the position and I think this is one of the choke points of statist mindset is you will end up rationalizing support for a lesser evil and maybe cause I'm not gonna disagree Massey could probably If he's allowed to have that influence, make a big difference. I would agree with Catherine Austin Fitts of all the people and i'm wildly jaded when it comes to any politician just because I think its the system that even if they are genuine does not let that happen but I would say that he is easily one of the best people in that field saying things that I would agree with whether he means them or not, I'd like to believe he does often so I think that it easy to fall into traffic well okay he's in power

27:38 He's offering a position which you know, you can see why let's just say they're the most evil villain administration of whatever side in history. You can see why they would go okay let's cap these people that we know are closer to what the people want and give us that credence right but then at same time maybe Massie will be able to make something or maybe they are good people and they will use him to change but it worries me of continuing to consent to this system That's my bigger issue is that first, I don't believe they're gonna do what they claim they're doing. Whether Kamala or Trump, so it's clear, I believe we were in this position where going into the direction of the Great Reset and all the different changes that we all see coming and I think that Massey tapping that maybe with good intention, I think is a problem. I think that ends up giving more credence to what will happen for Ron Paul for example like I get it he says okay Elon maybe he's honest maybe he does wanna allow me to help him reduce the government because that's what Ron Paul has been fighting forever

28:28 But if it doesn't happen, then all he really did was give them more credence to control our lives. And I think that's what I worry about but I hope because Massey does have a lot of good things to say Yeah and i intentionally left out elon musk because we're in such agreement on him not being any kind of person to hold up on a pedestal that it just isn't even worth talking about. I mean, i know he's involved of course but it's like...i think we both are on the same page about him and the technocracy and his role in the whole thing so no need to counterpoint him but As much as I don't want to fall into a savior motif sort of thing and get wrapped up in the excitement, i also don't want perfection to be the enemy of good. We only had two choices you know maybe we can strip the whole system away and build a libertarian utopia but that isn't going to happen today im already 40 years old i might have another forty years left if i'm lucky. I want the best available option an available option i will underline twice in bold print it's like

29:28 Yeah, I'd like a lot of other things to be different. Look maybe we have a system where Israel has put people out there like Epstein who's compromised everybody who could ever potentially rise to power and said do whatever you want when you get into a position in power but if you step in Israel's way we're going to release this video of you fucking a kid 20 years ago. I'm sorry that might be the reality. I hope that could be changed at some point But if we can fix the food issues in this country, I guess i would take that over not doing it and still having the same situation. You have to understand what you're describing...I mean look, It sounds like logic! There's logic to it but we have to understand that's a trap

30:12 So if we're starting from the premise that this is what we're describing, so make that clear right? That it is Israel controlling a bad entity and in a lesser of either all evil but let's hope we can get some positives which by the way is the vast majority opinion right now left or right. And we all see it well you know he does support vaccine but she's way worse okay Ultimately if we keep doing this, we only end up in a downward spiral which by the way is what I've been doing for decades and i think that's obvious. And so I get the logic If it was one time then you could maybe rationalize going well but next time... But every single time its the same dynamic and we have to at least ask ourselves if you..I mean It's not hard to recognize A power structure can easily see okay

30:49 They'll always rationalize which one is not as bad. Okay, so then all we have to do is give them two people who both will lead in the same direction make one look worse and they will always lean into this dynamic I could be wrong, but can't we at least consider that? People literally cross the aisle like a Tulsi Gabbard to say, hey you know what's going on over here is so bad I'm actually gonna rally around this guy who is a bit of a buffoon. But at least from within this administration we might be able to pump the brakes on direction that this country heading towards the cliff so I would say that isn't actual difference

31:41 I agree with that completely. See, i'm not trying to say there's no differences in the way they pull the veil over your eyes. I'm simply saying that everything we're saying right now... We have to stand back and look at this. We're acting like we are scraping crumbs from a table. We are saying well yeah but at least ill take this benefit over.. If we can't see that we're trapped in this mindset of hoping we get some little drip down from the table, when in reality were all anywhere else on the time frame pointing at this like it's the pinnacle election processes in the world. And yet every time... That what I meant by the same is lesser evil. Most important election of our lifetime if you don't vote won't have another one The same things we see everytime So trust me man, I'm only saying my worry and what I sadly do think is more logical but I hope your right! I hope that the mindset is not as dark as it seems

32:27 And that this will change things for upward decline. But I don't see that, and i've seen the same arguments made throughout the past so many elections and i've seen the same argument put forward to a lesser degree and it always continues the same agendas in the same war state and the same Israel support. So im just trying to highlight like for example the analogy, and ive seen this loaded this time frame as well Perfect is the enemy of good. So okay, well these are idioms those things make sense in some context they always have some kind of objective truth most these idioms in the world and that's why their valid but these are not things that all encompassing Perfect being the enemy of good is the lesser of evils. That's the same frame, it's saying that we have to choose something that is not perfect because if we strive for perfect, well end up failing to get... Well maybe but this a mantra that traps us in the idea that we have to accept what is not the best or not even better than what we've been getting and you don't have to realize that people who keep putting forward are ridiculous and were gonna believe these are the best two people to run this country out of everybody? No obviously not!

33:23 We're not even discussing the third party, which I also don't think are any better. But my point is that we are trapped in this structure and I think at any point we can all recognize how dishonest, how deceptive, how completely surreptitious the entire thing is but then we always at this last moment, which I get it, we look around and go well what else am I gonna do? Well this where I come into the point where there's a lot of other things we can do back to the points about abstention that one thing they've stolen from you There should be option to abstain from the vote be a protest, not participate. Not care but actually being so politically active that you recognize the point to where these choices are not the full picture or I feel like we're being cheated whatever your feeling you can say I vote on the record as abstain just like with the founding fathers like UN votes why is it that we don't have that because you'll find out every single election the largest voting block is somewhere between 40 plus percent of people that simply don't participate

34:13 Well, some of those are people that don't care. But I argue the vast majority are people that do and realize we're being cheated then you've got as a you all know the majority of people to do vote The vast majority or the largest block is independent and then we've got these two And so if we were able to abstain every time in retaliate on the screen You would see 40% abstained and we'd go well Okay So this is not even legitimate The same things they claim about Venezuela anywhere else for a small far lesser degree? And so to me it's It's this trap, you know? And I'll come back to the point and here for the segment. The point here is that I think that there is logic to recognizing a positive outcome for RFK, for example. Man! I really hope that's gonna happen or Ross being released of course. I think those are traps. That'd be where I argue that this has been placed in front us to get us just like with Massey and Ron Paul lean into what will ultimately be our demise for what is coming. I hope I'm wrong. Yeah, I agree so

35:07 The nature of the show the first hour is gonna be heard by way more people than the second and i haven't even got through that positive cuz believe me i have a whole page of negatives so i don't want people to think im just on the positive side but. I just figured we start with positives you only other things on my list i just wanna run through are he said he wouldn't, He would do no taxes on social security and that would help my mommy said no tax on bitcoin that would help me. And obviously releasing ross who is serving two life sentences for operating the silk road, that's a big deal and then today he came out with a ten point plan to actually change the corrupt system i won't go through all ten but he did say he wants to have

35:52 a truth and reconciliation commission to declassify and publish all documents on deep state spying, censorship and corruption. I'm sure it'll be tilted to the benefit of one perspective over another but that's the sort of thing that has to happen for people to get past propaganda there has to be this truth and reconciliation thing so just the conversation is interesting to me but also term limits. I mean, my God forget the other eight points if we could just have someone come honestly on television and be like, look these are a lot of the big lies you've been told. You're living in a bubble you're living in a propagandized reality tunnel and we need to correct that record before we can have vaccine legislation We need to first break your programming on vaccines So that's kind of good but term limits if we can get term limits for people in Congress I mean that's amazing The Ross thing is great because he said

36:53 Release him day one. Now a president can pardon the guy, so you either mean what you say or you didn't he also said He released the JFK files in the first week or right away Let's see! He said last time that he was going to but he was advised not too and he got scared But he said he wouldn't get scared this time I'm willing to give some people a do-over in an extreme situation I am too man, but here if this was a one off or not political situation of course Of course, you and I were out like okay, well give me a pass. Of course my opinion is you get people to benefit of the doubt especially I respect you greatly someone that you know of course i would but it's somebody you don't know first of all none of us know Donald Trump we don't know what he thinks or feels A lot of people like to pretend that but then on top of that its a politician so theres even more reason not question him where actually it behooves us as Americans who always question politicians but we rarely do that these days But then even further hes got precedent

37:43 He's got clear examples of a thousand different things. That's hyperbolic, but you know Locker up JFK and yes there was at some point except for Clinton by the way a justification well even Clinton he was like oh let it go they're good people or whatever he said which is fucking weird But so ultimately you say JFK and then there's a reason why it don't happen. Okay, that's all I ever say! Maybe there is even justifiable reason maybe if you ever found out why he'd go good i'm glad he didn't do but that's not my point. My points is that they're always and we all know this we just love to pointed out in the partisanship on the other side only that when it comes down to it there's just a reason doesn't happen The only thing we have to engage on at this point is past action, and he didn't do it last time. So right now the honest thing to do would be like well probably not I hope it does but the difference is you get people that... He says it! He floats a benign thing about the Fed everyone goes oh my god he's gonna change the world It's like hold on I hope so but what he just said is like the most milquetoast statement of all. So I just want us to be cautious there. I really want these to happen

38:39 I mean, Ross for example. I kind of get the sense that that will probably happen just because it's an easy bone to throw and even then regardless of his logic or reasoning just to get you to think he's positive. I'll still take that as a win. I mean hey Julian Assange got out under Biden odd is that is You know It's a political game about elusive in my opinion right but I only bring up the pardoning and the releasing of the files because those are things That we can judge fast And we can judge without this big process like term limits, you're going to have to get a lot of people to participate in term limits being added the constitution. And there's a lot of red tape to make that happen. The other stuff putting these people in actual positions of real power I mean as you stated there can be roadblocks there when it comes to well we couldn't get them approved for this or that but whatever some of these things I'm pointing out are just things too judge him on quickly and fast within the first couple of weeks did these happen or not?

39:37 But I do want to, we got to get into the negatives. So Just running through a little bit of a list. Derek Brose wrote two pieces for you, four reasons not to vote for Harris and four reasons not to vote for Trump. He added the unrepentant father of the COVID shots support for limiting free speech being a Zionist supporter and being backed by the Bilderberg group namely Peter Thiel as his list and a bonus reason erecting a police state in the name of fighting illegal immigration this is a big one that I think should be focused on this is from you wrote this I believe It's also worth noting that the 2024 Republican Party platform continues Trump's promise to carry out the largest deportation operation in American history. This is a promise Trump has made on the campaign trail for the last two years, and it's likely to lead to a massive increase in police state measures by a federal government. A smart or virtual border wall has been supported by Trump and the Biden administration

40:33 In February, TLAV reported that more than 40 privacy immigration rights and civil liberties organizations called on the Biden administration to abandon a bill which would extend the Trump administration's border policy. And you go on to just talk about a biometric wall and some of these things that you think are the justifications for digital ID in the biometrics stuff that we have so much concern over, the technocracy stuff like Whoever won, you could say that there was going to be a problem-reaction solution that got us to the same place. And that's what I want to save the last 50 minutes of The Free Hour for because... Be optimistic about some of the things I brought up! Sure. But the main point is that there are two wings on one bird and that bird always takes us to the same place.

41:24 Talk to us about where you think it's gonna take us and how you think it's gonna get us there given the situation we now have. and probably getting people to actually cheer on their own enslavement in some ways. Yeah, you framed that really well, Nick because I think it's important to see as you highlighted it that either way... And this is why and again obviously hoping I'm wrong why people that see the two-party illusion Why this is so concerning? Because it's right on the surface even if it was only point there are so many other issues that overlap in the same direction not even get into wedge issues that concern me but your point about Kamala and Trump have both been openly supporting the biometric wall discussion. And even weirdly how it kind of dovetailed as they were like, real wall? No we want no wall! And then it's like okay, biometrical wall right in the middle same old thing now they're both in that same position and so I think what's important to see is that whoever won this would've been the direction that was rolling out. So a point you made from Trump side is that its interesting

42:20 To see that the focus on an immigration just one way to be rolled out but focusing on immigration which by the way there's so many manipulations and people like lies from both sides about all of this at the point being i think most important is that most of this comes from. What you're in us foreign policy and then manufacturing things using them but either way what even if it's just a genuine organic thing we have to respond to the point is that by instituting what they're talking about And this is all very easy to see within their own documentation that these are the things that will be rolled out. The biometric scans, the drones, the biometric wall aspect, the social credit idea or digital ID aspect... All of these things are intertwined with that. Now they don't say these things on the surface but if you read it's exactly what they're talking about and so the only way you can do what they're talking about and this is even what Bill Barr was pushing forward and plenty other people in Trump's past

43:09 that this is this big massive surveillance apparatus that's now becoming this technocratic overlap. And I think that, that is what will happen." And so you can argue that this maybe one, and this is almost interesting enough coming back to the point of what we're talking about with the election. That well immigration and what's happening are so problematic that we have to accept this bad thing because well this was more important. This is how they get us it's always like that. Maybe you believe that but at the end of the day its about ultimately taking away freedoms and liberty in this where you come back to idea of like anarchistic mindset We have to err on that side of it, that it comes down to liberty and freedom. And if what you're asking for removes that from somebody then well you are in the wrong. It's not always exact so the point is that you can see that from Trumps side and the idea for example the SAVE Act was put forward as somehow supposed to help this election even though Massey revealed that it wouldn't have either way

43:56 was a simply a Trojan horse for digital IDs. And it was obvious, it was using real ID which I believe you've talked about right? The real ID compliant identification the ID 2020 aspect and of course then when you combine that with the mobile driver's license aspect which is also rolling out at the same time from the Biden side it comes together to basically only allow real ID compliant identification, that's digital ID. And so they'll both point at each other and say well it was his thing that did it no it was his bill that did it an ultimately either way you have digital IDs I think this is how it all rolls forward and that's all under the guise of immigration in a problem therein as I think that's where all is driving from Kamala side of it there's a lot of other ways you could look at it I don't think it's been as clearly presented as the plans I mean now in the sense that it's not gonna happen but I think that Trump's

44:37 discussions and put forward because I think that was what was going to be the plan here. He was the selection in my opinion, we're all very clear but Kamala's side of it was just basically you know we don't think free speech should be allowed and you know the misinformation online all then lead to the same point because they were already proposing these things throughout the last four years. The idea of digital IDs or the idea of social or the COVID-19 overlap to social digital passports in the context of vaccination So all of these are there, and we all see that. Each party wants to ignore it in their side but I think that's the problem is that we're rolling into this aggressively right now then you fold in Elon Musk and Peter Thiel and JD Vance and Vivek who are just invested in the biomedical field, all these different overlapping problems. And again, I feel like I'm getting off the point that you asked about but either way the point is that all of this I do think leads in the same direction and whoever got voted in ultimately that was going to happen and I think we can blind ourselves

45:28 Yeah, I think it's totally a fair point to say. It seems like again, i only see things through screens. I don't live near a border anymore but it seems like there is a good case to be made that alot of people were let in illegally we have a problem and then the proposed solution is gonna be a police state solution its going to be well we can separate the real americans from the illegal so we're gonna have to I don't know how extreme it's gonna get but it's going to be a authoritarian solution that probably does. involve some form of added i d. Digital id sure i don't know you even did a story recently about smart dust and i kind of like when it gets to this really weird sci-fi level because, you read actual patents and your just like what how is this real but wells fargo has a patent that's pretty insane

46:28 The text says systems and methods for authenticating a user making a payment using MEMs. MEMs are micro electro mechanical systems, you might hear that term more often but this is smart dust they can collect sensor data including biometric data and capture images of a person audio temperature pressure and motion data and compare it to a user profile for authentication So this is really crazy i don't understand why you really need this kind of stuff but apparently this is the level jump and what else do you say in terms of the. Technology technology involved in,

47:12 Increase surveillance and furthering these agendas man this is a terrifying point question. The point should be we really have no idea as the average person like for example you stumble into something like this which i did the same thing what else fargo patent just blows your mind to look at this stuff and if you include link the pattern doesn't show me that it's in existence but these things are being studied my point is you can prove that these things are real and there, real time like deploying of nanotechnology from ATM to build right wildly over-the-top But when you stumble into these things and start going down these rabbit holes, you find that this stuff is crazy out there. The DARPA stuff the military stuff it's been there for decades I mean i'm not talking just patents I mean real world experimentation and so you start overlapping this with what we've already seen for example the not GMO but flying vaccinators which that sounds crazy to somebody who has never cared to look at it but there's nature dot com science dot org peer-reviewed studies about these things It's not a false discussion

48:05 mosquitoes that can vaccinate or deploy something, or the micro version of this. All these different things. Then you go into what we don't really hear about. The World Economic Forum discussions like using your Wi-Fi devices to 3D map rooms or literally read your thoughts. These are real things that are going on and my point is if we're even hearing about this God only knows what's actually going on at the peak level in research. That's what really worries me is that we have this kind of blind rush right now into this direction from a lot of people there on Trump's administration Whether we're talking about the direct, real world technocratic rulership kind of mindset which I think is happening with a lot of these fake libertarian cities like Peter Thiel Prospero and all this different stuff that really does worry me. But I think it's also about the invasive stuff and that's where it gets into the most alarming part for me like the nanotechnology or injections let's say if were not being told about. Whitney said this four years ago and I swear it was so prescient your body is the new battlefield

48:59 And I think we all see this right now where we're at a point where, you know, we still have the kinetic foreign policy wars going on but there's battles for whatever is going on inside your body whether it's about trying to essentially patent your genome as in your body or these are real conversations by the way. Like I think you even talked about this so we have historical example of Monsanto for example where they spray things and all of sudden oh your farm is mine now because that's our patent which is real and happened many times Or animals, where ultimately you patent a certain gene and it ends up in an animal. You could say well I own these genes so the conversation has never really been addressed but it's right there on the surface what happens if you through let's say I don't know experimental genetic modification that was put on the world suddenly your genome has been altered to point where they can say I owned this patent? I owned whats going on with your body now

49:45 You may immediately get the pushback from certain people, maybe even when we get the right ruling from Supreme Court that goes nope sorry that doesn't happen. But historically we've seen it go in the other direction I forget the name of a ruling that was way back I think it was corporations Inc or something like that with the documentary I saw on it The point is they clearly they've already ruled this direction to say allow governments and people patent real life so what point do they make that step? One point did they say guess what you're all which in a way you could argue we already are their minds, chattel of the government that they own us tax slaves whatever else. But that's where it worries me the most. The smart dust geoengineering overlap and all these things which are... What's funny is you say these things out loud and there's somebody out there going, These guys are crazy." I know yeah. These things are real and it scares me

50:26 Yeah, the smart dust is real and i'm sure it's great to be breathing that in but at least you're verified at the bank. I remember last time we talked i was mentioning like my whole thing about trying to grow a food forest here and you were like well with all this brain you know is organic really organic and i agree that night i think it was a mosquito sprayer went around my block and i was like god damnit this is what ryan's talking about i looked into that though And I can't fight that machine directly, but they do make exceptions for beekeepers in my area. Any beekeeper is on a list and they don't spray in front of those people so I just got to get bees the loopholes the loopholes Ryan I'm figuring it out but I wanted ask you this So I know you are anti statism like that's kind of a big staple of your position

51:14 And i largely agree i think that honestly libertarian stuff i think it creates a power vacuum that you'd always be fighting to keep it from being filled by some gangster or something. But the biggest criticism about Trump is that he wants to fix these things and he's doing it very authoritarian, these very dictatorial processes. One of his 10 points today was he's going to reissue his 2020 executive order restoring the president's authority to remove rogue bureaucrats and he will yield that aggressively. So

51:51 People don't like his approach but yet people also say the system is completely corrupt and completely broken that the traditional systems don't work anymore. You can do anything with a traditional system you can make change that way so he wants to be a little more aggressive with it and then he gets, push back of what your dictator your bypassing the checks and balances So it just seems a little bit like a catch 22 to me. So I guess, I would ask you if your anti-statism and your pro liberty and this libertarian anarchist way is the right way, you think the state is going to go willingly? Clearly they're not. So how would you move towards your ideal society or ideal type of government without using force because it seems like that's the only way anything can really change? Well so there's a lot unpacking all that and this deserves a three hour podcast I mean yeah I would also say

52:43 I'm not the first person that should be breaking all this down. I mean, I am evolving my opinion on all of this over the years as well but someone like Larkin Rose for example who's made their entire career around breaking these things down... The first point is always, first and foremost it's like okay we live in a world right now where there is obviously violence. This does not remove violence from your life. People break-in steal rob murder so happens and you know maybe which which rarely is the case, the police will step in and save you while it's happening. 99.9% of the time they come in to investigate and maybe do something later right? So that's the reality and of course- They take notes about what happened when they're at it. Exactly! But still you could argue makes people worried to do it. That's fair enough but then a point is the government also brings a level of their own violence your life

53:24 So it's not about whether there is violence over here that we wouldn't have here, it's about whether there's a lesser amount of violence in your life and that arguably is okay when you're up to state because that will make... You know? Okay. So the point is if you live in a world where there's no state does that mean that there's more violence in your life? Well I mean arguably we don't know that. You can make rational arguments for why that could be easily seen but I'd like to find out. The point is that we all love to go well this is safe over here but that sounds crazy! But that's really how that works out. It was more of the illusion we have about feeling were safe because of the state but it's not really true. But so to the gangster point, this is something we talked about a lot in this recent conference is that ultimately we live in the same world as they do and we're not going back to the 1700 pitchforks everything exists right now would exist without the state you still have people who see themselves as military police and it comes down to people involved with the community to ultimately decide

54:13 As Markham points out, there's private security firms like Brinks for example that people can hire that have a far better track record than our police because they are incentivized to care because their business and they care about whether you know. You could say well I'm going to hire this one instead of you and so they ultimately have a better record of dealing with problems but my point would be aside from all of is that there's plenty of ways that you could protect yourself and there's obvious ways where ultimately people could circumvent that, just like today. So it's really about whether you feel you want to err on the side of freedom or err on the side of control so you feel safer There's plenty of quotes for that to come from our founding fathers. Well, the real crux of the question is how would you move towards that system without using force? This is something I thought about a lot. Okay so hypothetically where we not even... Where are we all right now not hypothetical and now you have hypothetically a person who

55:01 wants to try to change that. So, that's my hypothetical. But pretend that Trump genuinely wants the world that I want or at least just wants less of what we're dealing with and goes okay well I'm just gonna step up and remove that and people then cry foul say you're not going through checks and balances like I get that. That's obviously possible but I don't believe based on their record and after all we can flame it on actions precedent that that's actually what they want and the people around him want more state more control they just wanna stop these side of them versus but I think what's important point out is First and foremost, yes. Maybe you're right maybe that's what he is doing and I hope for the best but I err on the side of the principles. I don't believe that leaning into the state is basically violence to stop violence That's ultimately what it means because if your calling on a state then you are okay with them enacting violence in order to achieve these ends potentially

55:50 And so I think at the end of the day, it's about erring on those principles and saying that we don't believe violence. I believe violence begets violence just like any other historical situation look where we are right now you overthrow government you end up leading back to the same position i could be wrong but i think the way to go about this is ultimately see this our conversation for what we just came from because these are vastly different worlds We're talking about voting and going to a place where we're in like this very hypothetical future about whether or not an entire world that happens to find itself in this position could work. And I do believe that's the case, but this is the conversation about the transition. I often have this conversation like...I was even gonna ask this in the panel, we didn't get to it. How do you overcome this status mindset? That we've been ingrained with for centuries! Like how do you

56:35 Transition to that and it's a very good conversation but I think using the state using the government using force to ultimately bring situation where you have less for i don't think that's how that works out. I think sadly we're gonna see that play out in front of us again i always hope that's the case my point would be that we want to go to position where we do need a stay we don't need trump and the rest of them dictate to us This is where it's hard for the Irish person to get their mind around this, but like Larkin would say just it's about peaceful resistance. We don't engage with that anymore we don't want that we want to go in a different direction but this is where you get into the there's different stages of these conversations okay well then they're gonna come and try to initiate force against you okay? There are stages to this conversation and that's why it's hard to get into from this But your point is obviously well taken That It might lead in the direction where what he's doing will effectively make it better

57:22 I guess my point really is that that's not how that works when you're using violence in the state to achieve less violence in the state. Well, right and I mean Trumps his own thing just an example of a show like well it seems like really hard to break up this system without really getting in there and getting beyond the checks and balances that keep us locked into the two party system and everything And I was really just wondering how would you do it? Forget Trump but how would you move towards a freer society without a State by not using violence when the state's going to demand you use violence because they're not going to move voluntarily. Here's a good broad analogy, and again my point would be that this would be hypothetical it has to be right we don't know and I could present things that somebody out there who believes in the state would always come back and say but but with this and maybe you're right but it's a hypothetical but what Larkin points out

58:09 is for example, and this again the reason this is hard because it would be hypothetically let's say everyone in the country decides we all want this but that rarely happens but thats only way you can see it would be okay so lets just say we wanna volunteerist state. We don't want any state rather society. We wanna situation where its all voluntary free exchange between individuals in whatever context okay So the state or whatever that would be, or an outside aspect because people want to somebody days right somebody comes in and decides they were gonna push you back in this box well if literally everybody just we're not complying. Some people would get beat up, somebody would get shot. But eventually the people that were doing that is the joke Larkin makes well their arms will eventually get tired right you gotta be everybody until suddenly people are still not complying it comes down to a point of whether is feasible or worth like the point they make his weather police situation this is a microcosm of larger point is that you come down to place where you have a protest or riot

59:03 Police know when they're engaging with these situations what their number is. And I've interviewed people about this, it's very real where they know if they go past a certain point of whether they arrest them or whatever else where they can't feasibly do it whether they don't have enough people or places to put them in and so that's when you see the police make out tactical decisions and just back off we all seen that right? Where all of sudden oh, Baywalls violent but we can't do anything That's the same analogy military, police police, government. They all have these mindsets I can promise you and even show you gamed out scenarios where the military the government have done this to the country So what happens if everybody revolts? What would we do and how much could we resist. They know what that number is, so we too should recognize that if we do in enough numbers decide to say we don't want what you're putting forward yeah somebody might get hurt but we do that with war today We go into deploying war risk our lives to fight for it's the same dynamic If we want this bad enough we can put our feet down But again as I'm going through this The vast majority of people listening This is so far outside of the realm All they will consider

1:00:00 if it's possible that a world could exist without a government, whether or not you think elections are legitimate. That's kind of what I was pointing out in the beginning that we should at least ask these questions because I think we would all benefit from it. Fair enough and I definitely don't like to get too lost in hypotheticals but I do think you make a good point that possibly Trump is put in this position so really bad operations can take place And some people will be pacified because they'll be looking at the person in the president's chair and be like, well I think this guy is going to handle it. I think it's gonna be okay. Meanwhile COVID happened the way it happened you know? That wasn't all that great

1:00:37 Man well while times ryan certainly wild times i definitely appreciate you don't buy into the two party system but i think we have some reasons to be cautiously optimistic about something's right now again words are just words without action but let's see what happens in and just make up our minds as we go. I wish there were even more things on the table for change just like you do but one step at a time i guess before i let you go remind people where they can keep up with your ongoing work even the new media alliance site here are part of absolutely important i just wanna say thank you again for talking to me it's. This is get again another example how,

1:01:18 I wouldn't say necessarily disagreement, but we have different views on some of these things. And I think that's so important for people out there listening like it is possible ladies and gentlemen to have different views and still respect each other's opinions. It seems like a very difficult thing in the world today but you know i just think it's obviously optimistic and I agree with you on that. For example, I had an interview with Catherine Austin Fitz about this and she's of the same mind. She thinks that there are possible ways to salvage this through that and again it's hard for me coming from a mindset I don't believe the state should exist but if we are gonna live within this, I can see possible change like RFK Jr., if any one of these things happens, that's nothing if not positive. If I just worry about that positive change could sort of be undermined by my own

1:01:57 underhanded effort to get something else to happen, but either way that would be a positive change and I'm hopeful. I'm really genuinely hopeful about that and i hope that I'm wrong about where it may go but our work in general always the lastamericanvagabond.com is the best place check out all of the bulk of the work I'm on a million different platforms, at least for now. We'll see what more we get knocked off of day by day it seems that more happens but the Independent Media Alliance is what we recently started sort of interestingly enough because of the reaction we got before the election where i think you know it was awhile ago our last interview but basically... Summer right after the Trump assassination I got here to talk about the weirdness so its about August I think Well I was going say that I just we didn't talk about this but my point is that it's obvious that right before the election every year

1:02:41 A lot of us, like James Corbett has been somebody that I look to. When I started doing this, that's where a lot of those thoughts come from for me the idea of vote no one 2016 2020, this is what I've always put out or the idea with the two party illusion for example and this year got the craziest response. All of a sudden, the same thing, hey vote no on how about two party legislation? People have lost their minds like a lot of higher level influential people are like black pills and nobody can pass your purity test and all this I'm like whoa! I didn't comment underneath your tweet, I said this on my flyer and it was just open idea so we started recognizing that there was a lot of aggression against this and people were carrying out hit pieces about it very weird and very dishonest about our opinions

1:03:22 So we collect and said look it's clear that there is at least we sense there something coming on the teals of the covid 19 thing. On the idea all this that the technocracy to buy a mattress that we feel this coming, we think this is where its going with think that this is an effort so we wanted to build something that's kind of organization of people, no money involved. No financing or funding nothing just us collecting and working together in the interest of trying to align with people that had three main things and if not more which is the awareness of COVID-19 illusion awareness of two party illusion and awareness on the reality of Israel agenda right? The Zionism and how they infiltration I think these are important things so we collected around that now right now were in a little bit holding pattern We've had 3 interviews panels and waiting for this platform being built by Odyssey

1:04:04 And it is a independent decentralized internet straddling platform. So, it's going to have two websites. It's going to have one on this new kind of decentralized internet and it's going to have the normal one that www dot whatever and this is going to be a centralized place for all the different people in the IMA to post their content or rather just it will automatically filter through there so people that want to follow all of us can go on there and comment and engage. It'll be its own platform. And I think that's important thing. And so, that'll be a good new place that should be coming out soon But I want to stress again, there's no funding coming through. There's no outside influence. This is just the people right there transparently that are listed that just are independently doing their work and then occasionally joining and it's just about the stronger as with all this happening kind of sharing each others' work and so on you know? And I think that's important but TLAB is always lastamericanvagabond.com is the best place to go for all the work. So I really enjoyed talking with you Gray.

1:04:53 Very, not just entertaining and engaging conversations but we often find I think we come to something new which is why it's so important at this conversation. You know that our ideas come together and we come up with something even better than that. And I think that's important. So thanks for having me on man! Heck yeah! I loved it! Thanks again take care and keep fighting the good fight! Thanks brother you too Holy hell, Hiresite Chatters! How about it? Well you know I consider Ryan to be old reliable when it comes to current events and cultural commentary. I think its probably easy for a lot of you to see my rationale that in a pre-election results world Ryan was a good neutral guest to schedule, to have on. Maybe he's even too neutral for some if there is such a thing

1:05:37 I did sort of feel like there were times where he thought that I might be more vested than I am in the results. I was really just playing devil's advocate and trying to find reasons to be cautiously optimistic. I'm the last person in the world that needs to hear, reality isn't perfect and I'm kind of sick of having the but what if it was conversation Really, it's about what level you want to have the conversation on. Do you talk about the higher level? The overarching utopia? The perfect hypothetical society level? The philosophical level or are we talking on the down-to-earth this is what's on the table practical level I used to be very idealistic i used to think more in Utopian terms but after a few years It just felt like I was putting my energy into such an uncompromising

1:06:29 high in the sky place that I would only find myself deeply disappointed all the time. And it's because i was expecting something that was never gonna come or just completely being unwilling to compromise and... That's not gonna work 300 million people can't agree on anything and everyone has their own version of utopia. And for most of us here, I think that's a libertarian ideal of voluntarism and zero violence or force but if you think it through you'll never get there because with so many competing ideas You will have to impose even freedom on some people and now you're back to where you started

1:07:11 I guess i just reached this place that some might call complacency. Where I just said, okay well who cares what i would want in a perfect world. This is the world I got What moves can actually be made on this shitty chessboard? Legal weed? Okay! I'll take that No state income tax great I'll have to move but I'll go where they have that High quality grass-fed organic food for my family Well it's not in the grocery store but let me buy a freezer and buy a full cow You know where do I actually have control Where can I at least move towards my ideals within the framework of what we have here? So, I see the results of this election come in and say Great! The guy who at least talks about some stuff that I care about won. The guy who's been demonized by the big machine even if it is all for show regular folks don't see it that way so we might be able to say the machines propaganda efforts sort-of failed Ok well thats good

1:08:12 Lots of people having the conversation about the waning influence of legacy media. Beautiful! We definitely need that to have a chance at moving into a better world, so I'll take that win I never thought I would get What's next? Well for him even having a chance implementing things that interest me it had be a clean sweep of House and Senate in a very decisive win Oh ok sure maybe it won't just be gridlock This looks good I'm trying to remain open Then he makes a series of videos talking about new policy shifts on a whole bunch of stuff. Some I think goes too far, some I don't like at all, some might just roll my eyes at but who cares?

1:08:52 Some I say, wow. I've been in favor of a thing like term limits my whole life at least the guy who just once said he's gonna pursue that Though I do agree with Ryan when he says it's kind of like being thankful for table scraps But like I tell my kids no ice cream isn't for dinner It's not even on the table these are your two choices you can keep obsessing over an option That's not possible if you really want but good luck with that I do love Ryan and on the hypothetical level there is very little difference between us but in this period of time, i'd rather focus on what sort of actual gains could we make. What sort of programming could be retired or overcome? Could we actually see big pharma ads banned like the rest of the civilized world would that make progress on the public's conditioning over time? I say yeah

1:09:46 Because it's not about the ads themselves, it's about news organizations not being able to do honest stories about their biggest sponsor. Would that go away? Would the incentive change? Would they be stuck in a position of repairing the credibility or going bankrupt? Maybe! Let's see at least what could happen there... When I was trying to structure the interview, it really was just like okay here's a list of the possible positive things and then we'll get into a list of the negative things that weren't ever on the table with either candidate. It just took me awhile to get through the positive list that made it look like I was all positive on this thing and that's really not the case

1:10:27 I said this to Ryan after we were done recording, but i guess im just willing to make a compromise. As Larry David said the great compromiser's line was that a great compromise really means nobody is happy Everyone has a line in the sand, I just moved mine further so it's at least relevant to the conversation And Ryan also sent me a link after the show that the Department of Justice has filed charges in the Iranian plot to assassinate Trump That's one of those things that seems like we're going to get World War 3 either way and that is a big World War 3 red flag. We talked about it being hypothetical, now it seems a little more real but I do think it's okay to look at the bright side here. I know that the machine is gonna try to slam the brakes on everything positive again and there are entrenched powers that will definitely have to wet their beak and that sucks

1:11:21 But I'm only going to be alive for another 40 or 50 years, so i'm trying to be reasonable about what level of change is possible and let's see if that tight monster claw of big pharma and big ag can be loosened a little bit. Let's see if tariffs end up bringing manufacturing back to the U.S! I'm not an economist but when I hear the same boilerplate response from everyone of Tariffs are a tax that is passed on to you and only raises prices. It sounds like vaccines are safe and effective, it's one of those lines that has been robotically repeated so often that its creepy. I would like to find an economic expert who is more open about how tariffs could have some benefits for the medium or long term. Let me know if you have any suggestions!

1:12:13 And I'm not a complete idiot. I know it would raise the price of non-domestic goods, but that's not where the story ends. That in itself is supposed to be an incentive to have companies bring manufacturing back to get around the tariffs. That's the part not a lot of people talk about anyway in the plus show today we got past the politics and highlighted some really important stories since he was last here We got lab monkeys on the loose. We talked about the Georgia Biolab disaster, six times worse than the East Palestine train disaster in terms of dioxins? Yikes! We talked about the recent document release regarding CDC's real plan to have quarantine camps. We got into Hurricane Helene and the lithium mine story, smart dust patents and several other great topics you know the drill sign up for PLUS and get the full show always ad free and action packed

1:13:08 5 two-hour episodes a month, the new custom RSS feed solution that bypasses the need for username and password. You get the ratings, the forums which I said I should mention the forums more and I really should there are some great threads in there. I scrolled past A Pretty Lady Looking For Love in the singles thread and Some Great Suggestions in the guest suggestion thread And then in the Entrepreneurs thread, I figured I would highlight this. It's from July but I gotta show some love for what i think is a pretty good idea. Iced Mocha 1 says Hello friends and Ohana! My brother struck a lightning rod in the ground this week The idea has been circulating in our brains for years as we've been roaming reading planting and meeting folks with similar if not identical goals for the future

1:13:56 While taking some time in the Gila wilderness for reflection and restoration, we came to the natural conclusion that it was time to start our own non-profit. Food Church! In short, Food Church believes in free food living water and clean air How it works, well free church locations will grow edible useful plants and trees protect and enhance living water sources offer free harvest yields encourage and teach self-sustainable harvesting operate entirely on donated labor property supplies and funding and aims to have several locations with free accommodations resource sharing for resident stewards and increased self sufficiency for the masses

1:14:42 They already have two initial properties in New Mexico and they're actively seeking more land and donations for supplies, labor and funding. If you are interested in helping out with Food Church in any way just email info at food-church.org I mean I think this sort of thing is great! You know that? And if you've listened to RFK talk about what he wants to do For federal rehab centers, it sounds just like this. A place for people to get back on their feet through regenerative agriculture I love it! That's pretty great Kudos to you guys for not just sitting around but actually trying to build something important I hope some local listeners in that area reach out and try to contribute in some way

1:15:29 I realize the forum isn't all that active, but i hope if i highlight things like that from time to time on the air at least the word gets out to THC listeners. And maybe it helps connect a few more people But in higher side news, I also relaunched the THC Outline eBay auction. Obviously you heard that at the beginning no need to go over all of it again but it's just a fun little thing that allows me to get a little bit of a Christmas bonus and allows listeners who care to get a fun piece of THC memorabilia If you looked at the lineup earlier in the week because I did tweet about this I also just added another big batch last night and I'll keep adding them for the next couple of weeks I think

1:16:09 And if you have nothing to ask Santa for, it does make for a pretty unique gift. And that said as we do let's look at the rating of the last show this one is with Dr Heather Lynn I thought it was good but also had some concerns that picky listeners wouldn't want to hear so much personal background and other listeners would be triggered by the Baphomet talk This is the show producer mind thinking what could go wrong with this but it actually was one of the highest rated THCs ever. It's a 5 star! Literally no less than perfect ratings, at least not yet. Not every single commenter liked it but obviously a five-star review across everyone who gave one is impressive

1:16:51 Some people have been still asking where to find the ratings. Well, the ratings are the five stars right above the comment section all you gotta do is click the level of stars in which you wish to give but it's under the show notes and above the comments also Dr. Lin has been very active in the comments answering questions and all that one of our listeners actually knew that Pazuzu guy too isn't that crazy? That's another beautiful thing. Three or four of the last six guests or so have all popped into the comments to talk to listeners, I love that it gives more life to the show itself and just makes THC plus in the website comment section that much more appealing And then of course we got the meetup calendar here we go

1:17:36 On deck November 13th, Athens Ohio at the West Insider House. November 17th Moundsville West Virginia at the Guesthouse Lounge. November 21st Poor House Barbecue, Canaan New Hampshire. November 22nd Tampa Florida The Sail Plaza And now November 23rd Grand Rapids Michigan Kitchen 67 Fun stuff. And I'm like 90% sure, I will be at the Tampa event. I hope we have a decent turnout. I'm sure it won't be like San Diego's was just due to population density overall but we'll see who is out there. But that is the show! I do appreciate Ryan's insights and TLAV is a great place to get your current events geopolitical news from. I know politics is a real high wire act

1:18:26 And this conversation will have been too pessimistic for some, too optimistic for others and not panicking enough for yet a third segment of the audience. But we do what we can! Let's see how it all shakes out. Take care of you and yours, I've done my part! Your move Parasite class players, intelligence agency assets and globalist goons... You're fucking... Journalistic ethics for the uncompromising fight Resistant to the constant pulls that yank us left and right He's a man without a party

1:19:04 A guy without a place, a true rebel outsider Never cave into the state Objective, honest, difficult The raw truth torch is carried on by the last American He can't sign off on genocide He can't consent to force Won't take the state's abuse Once government divorced He pauses propaganda, breaks the news without the sweat Globalists are seething but behold the people's chant Objective honest ethical The wrong truth torch is carried on by the last American bond Unyielding principles and advance Hope we see him round these parts again Another hireside check

1:20:19 He parses propaganda, breaks the news without a slant. Obelisks are seething but behold the people's chant Object and honest ethical The raw truth torches carried on by the last American Angerbomb