Randall Carlson | Cataclysms, The Holy Grail, & The Holes In The Human Story

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the fireside chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation, I'm Greg Carlwood These are the higher side chats. How's it going people from sunny San Diego? I'm your humble host Greg Carlwood and it's time for another deep dive around the digital campfire talking about things under the radar and outside of the scope of that tired monoculture trying to channel us into another polarizing debate over some petty pre-packaged political nothingness or mind numbing distraction

01:49 Meanwhile, the world is full of intriguing mysteries, myths and magic that inspire a deeper understanding and connection with our living experience. We can explore the gaps in the human story, the prospect of advanced civilizations in The Last Round of History, the elegance of sacred geometry and the fractal nature of reality, other realms of existence, the mystical abilities of well-trained consciousness And thousands of other things more interesting than the latest celebrity tweet or some college kid you don't know shooting baskets on TV. Well, these are also some of the things in the bundle offerings on the Hireside Altar today as we have the triumphant return of Randall Carlson a long overdue guest we spoke with way back in 2014

02:33 If you aren't familiar, Randall is a master builder and architectural designer teacher geometrician Geo-mythologist geological explorer and renegade scholar. He has four decades of study research and exploration into the interface between ancient mysteries in modern science has been an active Freemason for 30 years and is past master of one of the oldest and largest Masonic lodges in Georgia. He has also been recognized by the National Science Teachers Association for his commitment to science education for young people, and let me just say The Man knows a lot about a lot! You can find most of his ongoing and enlightening lectures, courses and writings on his two primary websites Sacred Geometry International and GeoCosmicRex. My friend in yours the great esoteric educator master builder extraordinaire the Santa Claus of sacred geometry and the papa bear of the prehistory mystery Randall my man welcome back to The Higher Side

03:31 Well, thanks for finally having me back Greg. I know it's been some time i'm sure you've just been waiting Yeah as i'm hearing you give my bio i'm realizing you know what must be an old bio because I was actually raised in Freemasonry in 1979, so that's 40 years now. And I began my studies in 1969 so that's 50 years! That's a half century. I can't believe how that happened." Wow yeah man been doing this longer than I've been alive for sure really yeah of course Man is just crazy that's been four years it's wild how quickly time flies because at last conversation we had a still pretty fresh in my mind we talked about how, it might have been two years ago or so but his closer to five and i'm so glad we could do it again i think we both red one hell of a digital wave the last four and half five years you put out a lot of material since then.

04:27 You've had some great field trips, had a really fun to watch debate with Michael Schumer and Grant Hancock on the Joe Rugan podcast. I love that! And I guess i would just ask you how you feel things have been going? It seems like you did decades of groundwork to be able to speak about as much as you do and for several years now you're getting validation in many different subject areas no? Well it seems kind of like that way Greg yeah you know I first proposed that Our planet probably got pummeled by something from space around the end of the ice age about that younger dry boundary i think i first proposed that nineteen eighty eight. I know that i have a recorded lecture series of lectures i did it or will college in north carolina, from nineteen ninety six right outline the whole scenario and great detail

05:19 So, yeah I've been anticipating it only because you know as i studied into the events surrounding that time period nothing made sense. And so I began looking for alternative explanations for example to the mass extinction of the great megafauna just never made sense to me that paleo-indian hunters using spears could wipe out 10 or 12 million mammoths worldwide along with over 100 other species of megafauna that had existed on the planet for a couple hundred thousand, couple million years. Like in the case of mastodons they go back at least two million years so all those animals disappearing all within a very short window time I was always suspicious about the idea that Indian hunters coming across the Bering land bridge and down through the ice free corridor were able to somehow

06:13 exterminate the animals so quickly that they couldn't even reproduce. So, that kind of led me into thinking about a lot of different things and concluding that there had to be a different explanation and by time I got interested in studies about this which I placed pretty much... By the time I really started thinking about this in depth what would think would have been the early 70's and about that time is when the results of radiocarbon dating really. Radiocarbon dating actually was invented in the early 50s, but it took a couple of decades to build up a meaningful database so by the early 70s The data was there that the climate changes and the environmental changes that brought the planet Earth out of the ice age had happened a whole lot quicker than anybody had imagined So that to me was always

07:04 a matter of extreme interest and curiosity so there was a number of these things and then, by 1980 Louis Alvarez and his team, along with a couple of other teams independently proposed that there was an extraterrestrial cause for the Cretaceous-Tertiary mass extinction which was of course the famous dinosaur extinction. And I was just electrified by that idea that there may have been an asteroid impact. It seemed to me it would make a whole lot more sense than a gradual slow die off that sort of depended upon really vague Concepts of what might have actually caused the demise of so many dominant species and then of course as dating is improved it became apparent that the window of extinction was much smaller than anybody had previously imagined. It went from over millions of years to hundreds of thousands of years to tens of thousands and then literally down to maybe a few years

08:01 So yeah, there's been a lot of developments that have been taking place in the scientific frontier that I followed and it had been tremendously interesting to me. The other thing is that I've always been interested in archaic traditions, mythology, legends folklore all of that kind of stuff To me the really really potent outcome of so much of this is the realization that so much of what we've inherited from the past is not just some fanciful imagined People filled with fear because they didn't understand the world around us just invented things to sort of explain what they didn't understand. Which is kind of where the thinking was that you know when i was coming up as a student in the sixties and early seventies but now it's apparent that,

08:47 No, these people had a really profound understanding of how the world works. And we need to be paying closer attention to some of the things that they preserved for us through the myths and through the legends and through the folklore and then coming to realize that really that's just another perspective on this reality just like science provides us perspective on these things that have happened so do the archaic traditions and They actually complement each other pretty powerfully There's been so much lost from our heritage just through the vagaries of time, but also through deliberate suppression and destruction.

09:23 I think most people who are listening probably have heard and understand about the great library of Alexandria, where there was 400 thousand plus volumes of ancient lore that were destroyed. There was a similar library at Carthage—similar scale that was also destroyed. When you think about that, there's probably a million volumes of ancient knowledge that are destroyed! Who can begin to even wonder what might have been lost in that? Right and deed and not exactly a question i had planned for you but i do think it's really fascinating you bring up those lost libraries in the search knowledge because, i have interviewed a lot of people who dabble in the occult or who practice magical ritual n.

10:09 In our culture this is all like you can't said consider to be superstition or paranoia or like some old religious ignorance and residue but now you do cross these little stories of, a box of grimoires found in some billionaire will spend a good heap of money trying to get that knowledge and i did think that's really provocative just the idea that some people Maybe in the upper echelons of society do realize the value of that old knowledge and when they can, they try to cultivate their own personal private libraries because that stuff kind of works. Well yeah and I think ultimately we're going to be able to demonstrate there is a scientific basis to it

10:52 I'm not necessarily prepared to get into the intricacies and details of how that might work, although I think it's safe to say that yeah. The human consciousness engages with the world in ways we're only just beginning to understand and when it comes to the occult stuff, I've studied pretty deeply into the philosophy as far as a practice, I'm nothing more than a dabbler however Any person who studies into it and dabbles in it can quickly verify themselves that there is something there. You do certain things, in a certain way and there are results. Things happen I've had enough experience with that to become convinced that on some level the rituals, symbolism all of that works And you know having been a Freemason for 40 years what's all about ritualism? It's very powerful

11:41 set of rituals that have been handed down to us through the Masonic institution, and it really gives us sort of an insight into the archaic mind because The rituals that Freemasons practice today are not that much different than what they would have been practicing 800 or a thousand years ago. from what we can tell, from what we've been able to reconstruct. There are ceremonies of initiation to the guilds of master builders during the Middle Ages that were engaged in constructing these magnificent Gothic cathedrals. From what we know about those they're very similar—I wouldn't necessarily say identical but so similar—to the modern Masonic ritual

12:17 that there has to be some kind of a pedigree. And scholars have been able to push the date of modern Freemasonry back to where now it's almost at the threshold of the Middle Ages But then we can go further back and we can look at some of the older mysteries, the Dionysian artificers or the Roman collegium. Some of these groups that had the same kind of hierarchical system of initiation where you're given certain information when you master that information then you go to the next level and in each level you get more information generally in the form of symbolism as how the teaching is codified and how it's preserved and how its transmitted

12:55 When you get into ritual, and you can feel the power of it. You really do get the sense yes there is something here it's not just something that a bunch of tinfoil hat wearing weirdos are imagining. Although there are tinfoil hat wearing weirdos in the whole... no doubt but guilty but yeah my interest is in the scientific basis of how these things might work Absolutely i love looking at that kind of stuff i try to be pretty objective i know that there's a subset of any audience like this that's gonna think that stuff is a little scary and nefarious but my attitude is that

13:32 you know maybe a lot of that is left over propaganda from religious authorities and the way i look at it as you got these religious authorities and say, you don't need to do anything but give us money and listen to us let us be the liaison's tier interactions with the world and then there's a flip side of organizations that say no. take life by the reins, develop your consciousness engage with the world in these weird ways that you can and see what happens. And yes maybe within that subset there are people who have used the tools for power and nefarious reasons but tools themselves are objective and if these are mechanisms of reality then they don't have necessarily themselves a moral component it's just

14:16 use them or don't, but at least we should know that they're there if they are. The analogy I frequently use Greg is electricity 300 years ago electricity was totally a magical force and people didn't understand it It was inexplicable when you look at electricity it's neither good nor bad. It's whatever you make of it You know, I'm sitting here and we're talking I'm in Georgia, you're in California. If it wasn't for electricity we wouldn't be doing that. And sitting here and I've got my lights on my computer on and so on but at the same time electricity can be used to fry somebody in electric chairs. So electricity itself is not morally good or morally bad just a force of nature. Just as we didn't understand electricity three four five hundred years ago there are these other forces of nature we certainly have not exhausted our knowledge of the forces of nature

15:08 And who was it Arthur C. Clarke said any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic and I think that's a very accurate statement yes, and i think there are sometimes as a tendency to take the actions of an individual if those actions aren't great, maybe peg them to an institution that they cut their teeth on. And that's not necessarily always fair to do either I like to just judge people by their individual actions and here we are so... Exactly it's intellectually easy to do that if there is a group don't associate with or identify with that's outside your tribe, yeah it's very easy to look at the actions of say any individual and then extrapolate from that to the whole group. You know one of things I frequently

15:55 Frequently point out when people start. Oh, you're a freemason. Oh your evil Yeah I've gotten that frequently You know from people who have not a clue what free masonry actually does or what is? You know When I go down to the Scottish Rite Hospital for crippled and burned children And I see what they're doing there and freemasons are raising over a million dollars every single day That primarily goes to children in need I go okay well explain to me how this is actually evil This child that's been burned over 75% of his or her body is getting treatment for free and it's not costing their family a cent. Somehow, it's not equating in my mind how this is evil."

16:32 Now don't get me wrong, there are real conspiracies. But there are also a bunch of fake conspiracies that the downside of the fake conspiracies is they distract from the real conspiracy. One of them is the Masonic Conspiracy that Masons are somehow the puppet masters and you can cite the fact that 14 American presidents have been Freemason's The last Masonic president that was actually an active Freemason was Gerald Ford But we haven't had a Masonic president since then. But here's the thing, there may have been 14 presidents who were Freemasons but there were 23 presidents Greg who are Episcopalians so I mean clearly if anybody is the puppet master it's the Episcopalians not the Freemasons We got them! Of course. I think we've nailed it yeah well that is a great point but

17:21 I guess, when i look at something like the layout of Washington DC that doesn't seem to be derived from Episcopalian traditions. There definitely seems to be an influence there not saying it's bad but you look at the way that is structured and there some mesoteric there. Oh yeah! The thing about this is that the Freemasons have Adopted a body of symbolism. That's very universal yes, it's very archetypal so you're gonna find reflections of that symbolism everywhere It pervades our language. You know, when you say maybe not so much anymore but you know when I was coming up the standard thing to say you do business with somebody and at the end of it after your both satisfied shake hands and just say yeah that was a square deal or are we square? Well comes totally out of the Masonic ritual because how do Masons meet on the level, how part on the square and act on the plumb So you're talking about somebody being upright

18:21 Mason use the symbol of the plumb bob because a plumb bob is that it gives you the vertical vector to point to the center of the earth and to the zine but it's also a moral symbol in there represents rectitude which basically means more brightness. So I mean, somebody tells you something and you go really? Are you on the level man? Yeah. On the levels meaning are you really telling me straight but on the level again it's straight out of the Masonic ritual because being on the level means your dealing straight with somebody see so I could go on and there is a lot of those kind of little things that have pervaded regular popular culture without people knowing about it but they're there

19:03 Yes a lot of influential people have been basins over the years and there been some unscrupulous ones here's the thing. Masonry is open if it's british based only open to man if its french masonry at school mastery also open to women but just like you could take any organization, If you're an ambitious individual, you might go, oh Freemasons. I joined a Freemasons and it'll provide me with venue for networking, for making contacts... Really there's nothing wrong with that but that of course is not the real motive that should bring you into Freemasonry When you look at why individuals join Freemasonry, I think there are maybe four main reasons One is the one I just said The social end of it The entrepreneurial end of it Somebody wants to get in and make contacts

19:51 networking, that kind of thing. Then the other one is it well my dad was a Freemason and my grandfather and uncle so it's kinda family tradition I'm just gonna do it just to carry on the tradition. Third thing if you get people in there who very much drawn to charitable aspect of it they want to contribute something so they wanna do something good and so there's multiple opportunities for getting involved in charitable work once you get into freemason The fourth one, which to me is really the ultimate one is you want to understand the mysteries of life and existence. And you've got in a sense that Freemasonry as a repository of these ancient symbols that have been preserved for centuries upon centuries. There might be something of value there. Mm hmm. So that was my primary motive for going into it once I got into it only after I got into it did I find out that my mother's father had been a Freemason

20:49 So I still wear his apron which I inherited when I go to lodge. So there's different reasons why an individual might get into Freemasonry And in a sense, they're all valid. But you're also going to get some people in there... I mean are you gonna judge all Quakers on the actions of Richard Nixon? I think not! You know are you gonna go Richard Nixon was a crook therefore all Quakers are crooks right but that's kind of how it works but you know you'd be hard-pressed to find really evil Masons. I guess the most evil thing that I know of any Freemason has ever done was Harry Truman bombing Japan, which you know Harry Truman was a Grand Master of Masons in Missouri and You know the bombing of Japan Was not military necessity no matter what they've said over the years if you study into it What you do find out is that the high military command said you don't need to They're going to collapse long before December

21:48 It was primarily a political decision, pushed very much by the need to be able to overall the Soviets in the post-war negotiations of how to divide up the spoils of World War Two. And when Harry Truman went in to meet Stalin at Potsdam he very much had the atomic bomb in his back pocket not knowing that Stalin already knew about the atomic bomb In fact while truman was there that's when they tested the first atomic bomb at alamogordo so. Truman was very much thinking oh man i got the big stick here now course it didn't work,

22:26 they were predicting that it would take 20 years for the Soviet Union to develop their first atomic bomb, and it took something like four years. So American intelligence wasn't too accurate about their projections back then just as they're not too accurate about some of the things they are projecting now but that's another discussion. Man yeah and like you said Freemasonry does not have a monopoly on esoteric knowledge or universal truths is just a school and people of all places on the moral spectrum can get involved and use those tools in schools however they see fit i just like to maybe try to introduce some nuance into the conspiracy culture which can be a tall order sometimes but hey here we are and uh, I wanted to get a little more into The Younger Dryas impact catastrophe work you do obviously that is a highlight of your repertoire

23:19 You told us a little bit about it there because it has been so long since we last talked. But when we were setting this up, you said more and more data is being discovered all the time and much has advanced since we last spoke. Maybe you could let us know what are some of the things within this realm that you think have really kind of come to light in the last four or five years? What's some of this latest data that you find to be exciting? The evidence continues to accumulate in the findings around various sites, mostly in the form of impact proxies which are the various things that are associated with a hypervelocity impact such as magnetic grains small microspherules iridium platinum shocked quartz. There's a number of these different proxies that are used they're associated with high energy impacts

24:14 We were just talking about atomic bombs. Between the Soviet Union and America, we tested hundreds of atomic and then hydrogen bombs And one of the things that is a consequence of that is you had these high pressure, high temperature events that created proxies now being found to be associated with meteorite and asteroid impacts. So in other words some of the things that were found in association with the extreme temperature and pressures Testing and hydrogen bomb testing have actually enabled us now to identify their naturally occurring counterparts, I should say. So oh gosh there's been a lot!

25:02 The most recent is the use of these new technologies, such as transmission electron microscopy or high-resolution transmission electron microscopy or energy dispersive x-ray spectroscopy. Accelerator mass spectroscopy whatever there's a bunch of others which has allowed us to see things on a microscopic level Because for example, microspherals. You can't see them with the naked eye but they certainly show up under the microscope. Nanodiamonds Now, nanodiamonds were one of the things that were found in association with nuclear testing. They had been produced in the laboratory using extremely high-pressure equipment. They had been produced through nuclear weapons testing and they had been found in association with known impact sites—meteor craters—and have been found in meteors themselves so

25:59 That was one of the big indicators that you had this 12,900-year old horizon and it was loaded with nanodiamonds. So that was one of the first indications that something like that had happened. And that goes back to 2007 Richard Firestone paper that was published—that was sort of the seminal paper—which evidence for an extraterrestrial impact 12,900 years ago that contributed to the megafaunal extinctions in the Younger Dryas cooling Publish in the proceedings of the national academy of sciences october nine two thousand and seven that was a paper to kind of started at all they were talking about the carbon rich black layer. Which dated twelve point nine thousand years ago and it had been previously identified yet fifty clover age sites in north america,

26:50 And the thing that was interesting about it was that it was contemporaneous with this sudden onset of Younger Dryas cooling, that happened at the same time. So the group... It was Richard Firestone, Alan West, James Kennett, gosh and about a dozen or more others, Lou Anne Becker, Ted Bunche, Paul Mayewski who said well let's see wait a second now we've got this black map layer, it's at 50 Clovis sites It seems to be associated with the sudden disappearance of the Clovis culture. It seems to be associated with the abrupt onset of the Younger Dryas cooling, and the other thing was that when they looked at megafaunal remains what they kept finding over and over again was that megafaunal remains were below this layer but not above the layer. Now this layer I might mention is a black layer

27:45 that separates, now is considered to be the boundary that separates the two and a half million years of the Pleistocene from the eleven and a half thousand years of the Holocene. Roughly so because below it you have Clovis culture above it no Clovis culture below what you have megafaunal remains above very scant remains of them extinct megafauna And then at the same time, you've got this abrupt cooling that had been identified independently as occurring at the same time. Okay so what happened here? Are these things just coincidentally related or is there a common mechanism behind it? When they begin to look at this black layer which typically is only say anywhere from one to two or three inches thick at these various sites—now it's not every Clovis site, it's about half of them

28:36 What they discovered was that at the base of this black layer was the abundant nanodiamonds. And then from there, they went on to look further. T. Vance Haynes who is an archaeologist who'd done work on many of these sites, he's one of these skeptics a year after it was published They looked at 97 geoarchaeological sites that bridged the Pleistocene-Holocene transition Two-thirds of those had this organic rich layer, or as they call it a black mat. And he says here what he's referring to is oftentimes the extinction of the megafauna at that time is referred to as the Rancho Labrean termination just throw that term out This is what he says now this is very uniformitarian minded archaeologist who was finally looking at the evidence and this is what he says stratigraphically

29:33 and chronologically the extinction appears to have been catastrophic, seemingly too sudden and extensive for either human predation or climate change to have been the primary cause. It appears to have coincided with this sudden climatic switch from alarad warming to younger dryas cooling Recent evidence for extraterrestrial impact, although not compelling. This was in 2008 needs further testing because a remarkable major percubation occurred at 10900 BP that needs to be explained now you have to understand that there's a 2000 year difference between chronological dating and radiocarbon dating so what this really means is 12000

30:23 900 years ago that he's referring to. So, he says that further testing is needed so considerable amount of further testing has been done since 2008 there was a concerted effort to try to discredit the idea and this of course is one of the things that you know the debate they're on Joe Rogan You know you have Michael Shermer and Ram yeah Yeah, Graham was there. So Graham and I were on the side of the proponents of the impact hypothesis and Shermer and Mark Defant who actually have a great deal of respect for he's very knowledgeable volcanologist but i don't know how much you really studied into the younger dryers because she was quoting some of the critics whose work in my opinion has been thoroughly discredited But that's the way science works as Carl Sagan said years ago

31:14 Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof this is a pretty extraordinary claim and yes it did require challenges however when you go through your start reading the critics what you realize that the challenges work. Really challenge isn't scientific sense they were really more efforts to discredit the idea just mirror those who are proposing the idea And in looking at the background of some of the key proponents, quote-unquote skeptics. Those who were trying to discredit an impact. What I found was that several of them were very much proponents of the overkill hypothesis which is the idea that human hunters, paleo Indian hunters exterminated

32:03 the woolly mammoths and others, and this somehow triggered some kind of a cascading effect throughout the planetary ecosystem that then in some inexplicable way led to the extinction of over 100 other species of megafauna. That perspective is kinda interesting because it's a very Western idea to think well we would rape and pillage everything around us why wouldn't the ancients do the same thing? They probably just overhunted everything Well, see what the evidence now shows Greg is that not only did half the major species of mammal on the planet go extinct. The other half did not come through unscathed. There's evidence that there was population crashes even amongst the surviving species that then in the post-catastrophic world were able to replenish these vacated habitats but it's also clear now that the human population undoubtedly took a hit as well and

33:00 You know, the work of David Anderson and Albert Goodyear. In 2011 they published a study, multiple lines of evidence for possible human population decline and reorganization during the early Younger Dryas. So they began compiling evidence that this human population crashed during the very same time that the megafauna went extinct Let's see, using the Paleo-Indian database of the Americas which integrates the database and GIS technology to provide location data for almost 30 000 paleoindian projectile points. So what they found was when they began an analysis they found that there was... The data clearly indicate a major decrease in the number of artifacts in many parts of North America during early centuries of the Younger Dryas

33:54 This decrease is interpreted to represent a decline in human populations and a major reorganization of settlement systems, something likely related to the major changes in biota observed over this same general interval. And since 2011, a lot more evidence has accrued that human populations crashed at the same time which of course is further evidenced against human populations going to this unprecedented expansion and able to exterminate. over a hundred species of animals. Now you've got to think about this, in North America Greg there are four species of proboscideans do you know what a proboscidian is? I don't. It means long nose elephants! You can add this to your vocabulary if you want to impress your friends you can throw this out and say in North America you know you knew this right that there were once four species of proboscidians and they will say no you're kidding but what that means is basically four species of elephants

34:50 So when you think elephants, what do you think? You think of Africa. Right? You might think of Indian subcontinent. You don't think of North America generally but without this mass extinction event North America at the late glacial maximum we go back 20 000 years ago 15 000 years ago 30 000 years ago what you find is that the megafauna of north america was greater than the megafauna you find in the Serengeti region of Africa today. Now that's a pretty amazing thing when you think about it, America had giant camels, it had giant woolly rhinos, it had the mastodons, it had the woolly mammoth, the Columbian mammoth, the Mammothus Imperator, it had 500 pound beavers, it had four or five hundred pound armadillos I mean the Pleistocene lion which was the size of a horse

35:44 Versus failures which was the cave bear to giant cave bear our code is simon switch with the giant short face bear try to imagine a bear. That stands six feet tall at the showroom You see, all of those animals were part of the North American fauna and boom in a geological eye blink they were gone. And their demise coincides precisely with that black math and the deposition of the nanodiamonds and the collapse and disappearance of the Clovis culture and a sudden climatic spasm that marked the transition from the

36:19 end of the glacial period into the Younger Dryas. Now, if you're a skeptic then you know...a critic of that, you've got to come up with independent explanations for all of those things. That's a lot! Yeah I really agree with you. The megafauna mammals are really interesting. You know i live down here in San Diego and I have friends come out they want to go up to LA and they want to see the Chinese theater and I'm like you know what we should go to the La Brea Tar Pits because that is such a unique place. hub of commercialized, you know, razzle dazzle. But yet it's still right there and if you take a tour of the museum they have all these like the short-faced bear and they reconstruct all these things and you can see everything they've pulled out of the tar pit It's quite an incredible

37:07 unique place, I think. And it speaks to exactly what you're talking about the ancient American landscape was much different than it is today and uh...I didn't expect us to talk about this necessarily but you were talking about the data that kind of matches signatures with nuclear weapons or the nano diamonds in that kinda thing I also know you're big on what you call cosmic ecology, zooming out on the universe and realizing the bigger context for our story. I'm wondering if you're familiar with the work of John Brandenburg who looks at the Martian atmosphere and he's found isotope ratios that he says are indicative of nuclear weapons and can only be nuclear weapons now? Of course, you're saying that meteor impacts or

37:54 Asteroid impacts can actually mirror those same signatures But have you ever looked into that that he's saying that there was a Martian civilization because we have this smoking gun? Isotope ratio in the atmosphere. No, I'm not familiar with that Greg There's so much out there now. I can't keep up with it all Although I may be an alien effort I will have to look into that and see what i think. I can't give you any kind of an informed opinion on that because I'm not familiar with his work." Well fair enough, it also makes me think about some of those claims about the Sahara Desert Glass. Some people like to be romantic about exotic weapons from the Mahabharata causing this desert glass but it also probably could have been caused by this type impact right?

38:43 Oh yes, and it could especially be caused by an atmospheric detonation along the lines of the Tunguska event on June 30th 1908. If you have a smaller object and it's a lower density object moving at hypervelocity rate, it will not actually strike the ground, it'll explode in the atmosphere and release tremendous amounts of heat So yeah, I would tend to believe that the desert glass is more likely going to be evidence of a hypervelocity atmospheric impact because Russian scientists found similar evidence associated with the Tunguska event in 1908. One of the core ideas of geology that's supposed to have more recognition than it does was first formulated by one

39:29 One of the big guns of geology background return to central it was tc chamberlain who lectured on the importance of the outrageous hypothesis because he was saying around the turn of the century that a lot of. Theorizing with getting so high bound and so dogmatic that, what are the academics and scholars and things were afraid to venture outside the accepted criteria so he would president of the Geological Society of America, and he gave an address where he basically said don't be so scared of the outrageous hypothesis because every once in a while the outrageous hypothesis is the one that's more accurate. That's how I look at any claims about the Mahabharata that certainly again in the context of what we were talking about earlier you know when you have all this legacy of these things that have come down to us I think certainly there's enough to suggest that we should be thinking

40:23 about the possibility of much more scientific advancement in ancient history or prehistory than has been recognized up to now. And you know when people like Graham Hancock have been speculating on that for 20 some years now, he's gotten a lot of flack unfairly I would say because he's willing to look at anomalous evidence and willing to explore the outrageous hypothesis because sometimes if the more normal hypothesis just don't seem to cut the mustard. You have to expand your thinking and I think there is enough evidence to suggest that there almost certainly was

41:00 Advanced civilizations of some kind in prehistory and when i say advanced civilization i don't necessarily mean they look like the one that we got in the world today. could have looked completely different, and I suspect very much that they did look completely different. And you mentioned one of your interests that you might want to talk about was the grail. I look at the grail stories as being very possibly a legacy of some of those ancient traditions, of the scientific traditions because there's a lot of very curious stuff that you find in those grail accounts

41:38 that just doesn't make a lot of sense. And scholars have been struggling to try to reconcile the disparate elements, the contradictory elements that are found so pervasive through the Grail literature. But the way I look at it—and this has come from studying pretty deeply into the original literature itself, you know looking at Robert de Varon and Cretan d'Etoile and many of the others Is that you probably remember the allegory of what is it? The five blind men trying to identify the elephant. Yes One's got the tail one's got the trunk and they're all like I know what it is And you don't have the full picture, right That's how I look at the grail and it can like to me each of these authors is describing a different part of the beast So to some it's ahead on the platter to somebody else It's a chalice to somebody else. It's a lance dripping blood

42:31 the symbols that have been associated with it are extremely complex. I look at it as being indicative of a lost technology, and if you look at the stories themselves what is the general theme of The Grail Stories? I guess i think of it as almost like a receptacle for knowledge of some kind, enlightenment. It seems to be wrapped up in that Absolutely it does absolutely Going a little further than that though you see what happens is that if you read the stories generally involves a quest doesn't it? Yeah initiation almost Well yes its an initiation Its a quest and what is it that motivates the quest well

43:15 The story is that the kingdom went into decline for whatever reason whether it's on port us to fisher king king arthur there's very interesting all of the different stories right and the protagonist very. If you immerse yourself in the Grail literature, what you discover is it's very dreamlike. You know what I mean by that? It's like when somebody will be in your dream and then suddenly they morph into somebody else. You're in a place that looks familiar and then all of a sudden it's not familiar anymore. The Grail stories are very dream-like in that but the idea is that the kingdom which had been fertile and fecund and prosperous

44:01 for some mysterious reason goes into decline, and it's associated with the loss of the grail. So the quest is to find the lost grail. And see simultaneous with the demise, the deterioration of the kingdom into the wasteland is the demise of the king So the king, he becomes ill. He's wounded in battle somehow and he cannot recover so the Fisher King is laid up in the castle. He's been sick and can't recover from this wound And the only thing that's going to heal him is the grail-the power of the grail But the interesting thing about the grail Is that not only will it heal the king It'll heal the kingdom Its a means of restoring Of replenishing The Wasteland Now

44:49 When you look at the stories themselves, you find some interesting things. They of course revolve around King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table which is clearly an astronomical allegory. When you look at the descriptions of The Grail themselves one of the things that comes out over and over again is the cosmic nature of The Grail right? That it seems to have this dimension to it that is otherworldly, right? And it is the means and the mechanism whereby the wasteland can be restored. Now if we look at the legends of King Arthur what we find out is that King Arthur—the story of The Sword in the Stone he rises becomes the king unifies the kingdom around Camelot

45:37 Then something causes this rupture. It's often signified or symbolized by Lancelot's betrayal with Guinevere, And then as a consequence, he gets wounded in the side. Then the wound never heals and then at the final apocalyptic battle of Camelot where Arthur is killed, he re-encounters Lancelot after many decades after they had had their falling out and Lancelot has come to fight at Arthur's side but he still suffering from this wound that he got inside well that's the same wound

46:13 that was the wound of Jesus on the cross. Remember when the centurion lanced him? It's the same wound that in esoteric Christianity was the wound in Adam's side, where the rib was taken out to separate humanity into male and female. There are a lot of really deep esoteric associations with that idea but here is as a result of this rupture, the kingdom that had been prosperous and fertile deteriorates into the wasteland. And the only way to restore it is to recover The Lost Grail. So when they do, the Kingdom is restored. Now what I was getting at was that in the Battle of Camelot where Arthur

46:59 is killed, is generally dated. Actually given a date it's assumed that there was actually historical battle that wasn't the precursor or predecessor to the mythical battle and its dated at 539 AD That's very interesting possibly 540 AD So there is a date actually associated with the death of Arthur Well completely independent if any event There's now scientific evidence that between 536 and 544 AD, something really profound happened to the global climate that caused major disruption. And in fact there are a number of paleoclimatologists who have said the coldest year of the last 2000 years occurred in 536AD

47:47 There's evidence now of at least one really major volcanic eruption and possibly two impact sites, one off the coast of Norway and one off the coast of New Zealand. If those pan out to be real, and it's looking like they very well could be. Now you have a mechanism for inducing climatic and environmental instabilities in both the northern and the southern hemisphere. So interestingly this period that has now been recognized as the beginning of 300 years of The Dark Ages actually has its own legendary counterpart in this apocalyptic battle where Arthur is killed. So when the quest, whether it was—in a lot of the tales it was Percival who discovers and others it's Galahad but who discovers the grail returns it to Camelot, the king drinks from it he's restored, the land comes back to life then they have the apocalyptic battle

48:49 Arthur is killed. So all of these dates are now occurring in the legend, according to what science has confirmed something really drastic happened to the global climate and there's evidence that yeah Britain itself might have been transformed into a wasteland as a result of this downturn of the climate so as a result of the cold and dark it came on between five thirty six and five forty eight there were massive crop failures those crop failures led to famine the family lead two people being weak

49:26 susceptible to disease, and then in 542 AD you had the onset of the Justinian Plague which wiped out in some cases three-quarters of the population of Europe. So that was a major event that now seems to be wrapped up in the stories of The Grail so The Grail becomes the means of restoring the wasteland that has been devastated in the aftermath of a catastrophe. And you know, I talk about this a lot but most of the audience that i address have never actually immersed themselves in the grail literature which interestingly all came out within a 50 year span of time that is associated with the peak of the magnificent gothic cathedral building era centered right around 1200 AD

50:20 in Western occultism, the rise of Templarism, the rise of Catholicism. The appearance of the troubadours... Oh! The list goes on. The first schools of Sufism established in Spain all of these things transpired within about a 50-year period. A magical time? Yeah special time absolutely Right around, you know from the late 1100s to the early 1200s. And then the Gothic building wave which lasted from right around the first Gothic cathedral laying the cornerstone of the first Gothic Cathedral Notre Dame in Saint Denis was in 1130 AD interestingly two years after the return of the sojourn of the first group of Templar Knights and Holy Land

51:09 There could be a connection there, I think there likely is. But then within the next hundred years you have over 80 of these magnificent monuments being built over 500 smaller abbeys but still it was an extraordinary enterprise that was undertaken now here's the thing that you have to understand about them between 540 AD and about 900 ad That was a period of cold and dark You know accounts at the time in the annals of that era, mostly kept by monks at the time would talk about there'd be periods where they wouldn't see the sun for weeks at a time. Talking about years without a summer talking again about the devastation of crops dying in the field and people starving to death and literally turning into cannibalism this was a period of global cooling now 900-1000 AD

52:06 the global cooling ends and we go into a period of global warming. And what happened? Growing season began to increase by about a month, right? The latitude at which agriculture could be viably practiced increased by about 300 or 400 miles shifted north. The elevation at which you could grow crops shifted upwards and so you had a time of abundance What happened was a century of that abundance. You had increase in European population, you had a decrease in infant mortality, you had an increase in lifespan—all this is well documented and with the surplus wealth that was being generated in the warming world allowed for the mobilization of resources that went into the Gothic cathedral enterprise because

52:58 because without those surpluses you couldn't have fed the hundreds of thousands of the armies, of craftsmen, the masons, the stone quarries. You had to quarry the stone which required thousands of workers. You had to transport this stone yet to carve the stone. You let sculptors who were masters of their craft...you had engineers who are masters of their craft....you had glaziers who were masters of their craft.....You had astronomers involved. You had carpenters to build this amazing formwork over which the Gothic vaults could be laid up, right? Where did all this information come from so suddenly because it walked in from off the stage of history fully blown for the most part. It walked in

53:42 After eleven hundred and thirty eighty walked in the stage of history. The craftsman picked up their trials they went to work and for between then and nearly thirteen hundred you had this enterprise underway and what happened was you had a series of climatic downturns in the late twelve hundred early thirteen hundreds, add them after about thirteen twenty you have the first phase of the life age come on and you started having more crop failures in about 1340 or 1442, I believe it was after a series of famines and crop failures. You had the bubonic plague so what you see is in that 10 to 20 year span there after the global cooling that was the end of the cathedral building era. It pretty much ended right there And that is when Freemasonry went from being operative into being speculative

54:37 which means operative to philosophical, because the masters of the craft saw that this sophisticated scientific knowledge and engineering knowledge and geometry and astronomy that's going into these structures is going to be lost unless we come up with a system for preserving it. Because with social collapses nobody can afford to build these things anymore. Nobody can pay their armies of craftsmen Because obviously all of these people building and the sculptors and everybody they all had to be fed, right? So there had to be a whole network in place to undertake this. And you know what's interesting Greg is because when you look at the last wave of classical Mayan architecture

55:19 coincided exactly with the cathedrals. When you look at the last wave of monumental earthwork architecture in North America, it coincided exactly with the building of the Gothic cathedrals. When you look at the last wave of classical architecture in Indochina—same time frame! Can this be a coincidence? And further, when you begin to look at the specifics of each of these—even though a temple in Indochina doesn't necessarily look at all like the Gothic cathedral or doesn't look like a stepped pyramid in Chichen Itza or doesn't look like a great earthwork mound in North America—underlying it is the same geometrical astronomical template.

56:00 And that can be demonstrated conclusively. And in Graham's new book, America Before, he really does get into that in a great detail and I want to highly recommend that book which is now going to be available this month Right on yes clearly the environment is crucial to our ability to progress you know obviously for just trying to get fed we're not building these cathedral so. You really have to fold that into the human story what was going on with the environment i want ask about the grail a little bit more especially that idea of it being a lost technology and these themes up spiritual quest enlightenment dreamlike qualities,

56:40 my layman's understanding kind of relates to some people i've heard talking about or hypothesizing that if we get back to the origins ever legend and mystical experiences they can kinda kick off religion in the engine use was a big part of that obviously not so much with our modern sanitized and corporate ties versions of religion but do you put any stock in the grail being the symbol love the sacred receptacle for a psychedelic or healing or even consciousness transporting mixture of some kind? Or is that too simple?"

57:16 No, no. I would absolutely think that that's a component of it. There is no question in my mind that that's a part of it. The phenomenon is so complex and so multifaceted but clearly has to do with the link between, I think, the state of the planetary environment and human consciousness And there's no doubt in my mind that, yes the use of various substances throughout history that we find so closely associated with the origins of religion. Yeah I mean clearly you know not recently but way back in the day you know I did a fair amount of experimentation and I could probably say

57:57 Yeah i think i was destined to be pursuing many of these things with or without that but certainly. My interest was intensified and accelerated by the experimentation that idea what i did find out was that before i quit for various reasons the main reason being was that, the quality of the product declined precipitously between the late sixties and early seventies but i discovered that my main interest in it was getting out in nature getting out away from your environment using it to become much more. In tune with the forces of nature around me and that became my preferred way of engaging these experiences something in the mix

58:41 You know as we're getting ready to close this thing out I also wanted to ask you about this contact at the cabin event with the Grimerica guys. This is one of the catalyst for the show today, i wish i could go on a trip myself but... ...I can at least help get the word out because it does seem quite fun and quite important what are some of the details there? What are going to be seen in these field trips? Well, it's going to be a combination of geology and archaeology. We're still trying to find out... I guess the little bit of the glitch we've run into is that because there are a number of people, we got set up ahead of time as far as which sites were going to be able to get in to see. Right now, we're trying to get into Chimney Rock, which is an extraordinary site in southern Colorado, which was the northernmost outlier of the lost Chacoan culture

59:31 that once built a 10,000-12,000 square mile infrastructure over the San Juan Basin of New Mexico. Hoping we can get in there but you know there's Mesa Verde, there's Canyon of the Ancients... There's a lot of really awesome geology around that area We may do some exploring up the San Juan River, up the Animas River. So my colleague Brad Young and I are over the next week really going to be trying to get the final details worked out of where we could go and when but yeah so the idea is to get a lot of group of like-minded people together in a very cool place have some great food you know i'll be doing some presentations

1:00:14 Some other presenters are going to be presenting some stuff like on the William Hoff Method, the Wim Hoff Method. Yes! And there's hot springs near there hopefully we'll get some time to soak up some of the medicinal properties of these ancient sacred hot springs. Heck yeah! Oh yeah that's always one of my favorite things to do when you've lived decades of hard life you start getting some aches and pains as you get up into your decades I found that when i'm traveling whenever i'm traveling but particularly out west there's so many hot springs and most of them have legends associated with them and most of were considered sacred by native peoples. And yeah being able to immerse yourself in that soak that up is always nice, So we're still working out the itinerary but like you say we're going to try to have that settled within the next week

1:01:05 Actually, as is usually the case there's no shortage of places but it's just that some of the sites are a bit restricted so Bradley Young is calling head trying to arrange for tours and things. So we'll just have to see It seems like it's gonna be a really great time and I was looking at the schedule myself. I even saw full moon meditation on there, and that seems pretty interesting beyond the lookout for orbs of light in the sky responding to that conscious attention. I know the America guys kind of like that CE5 contact stuff so maybe it'll happen maybe it'll pop off

1:01:45 Well hey who knows i'm and if it does I've got some questions for him one of these days will maybe. When i'm ready we'll talk about the ufo thing cuz i've got some thoughts on that what interests me the most is thought that maybe something totally different than what people are imagining it to be, Yes, in fact we will leave it at that but I didn't get to ask you this but there are many potential interviews in the future But I'm sure it has something to do with the fact that visuals can be induced or implanted by tectonic and astrological forces That's a big part of it. Yeah Okay. Yes, I had that in my notes so You know I've heard you talk about that but yes There's definitely more to say anyway

1:02:27 randall this is been really really awesome fascinating stuff i know that you could talk at great length about the cycles of catastrophe and all the many decades of work you've done into i'm glad that it's being recognized in there a lot of younger people really interested in these perspectives They definitely teach us a lot about our environment and as you put it, cosmic ecology. Our place in this much bigger system and how fragile things are and potentially how chaotic at times they are so I love it all! And is there anything else to say about your websites or where people can follow up on your courses?

1:03:10 Yeah, there's a lot of videos and written material. So I highly recommend people go there read some of the essays about global change fully referenced to try to get an alternative perspective on these things Because I think what we need to leave this conversation with is this, that we're learning that the global environment is actually considerably more robust than we had imagined. It actually has extraordinary recuperative properties in the wake of some of these assaults that have been on it and I think that in the equation that we're looking at here, the truly fragile factor is human civilization

1:03:48 And it wouldn't take much to erase and undo the last two or three hundred years of human history. Certainly a repeat of what happened 13,000 years ago would be more than capable of doing that job but actually something far less than what happened 13,000 years ago could also do the job and put us right back into the stone age so some for people think about Indeed. Well, down the road I'm sure we can maybe talk more about that and how the trip went and the Hyperboreans and all these esoteric things you have knowledge about and of course your thoughts on UFOs and... We won't wait four-and-a-half years to do it! Okay? I hope not! I hope not too That sounds great Gregg. I've enjoyed the conversation immensely And yes, I look forward to doing this again

1:04:37 Indeed. Cheers to that and thank you so much! Take care and keep doing what you do, have fun out there with the Gramerica guys That's the plan And how about that ladies and gentlemen? Randall The Master Builder Carlson bringing a level of heat I can barely comprehend No but i am big fan of the man I really liked the first time he was on It does not feel like it has been so long There are honestly so many guests that i'd love to have back so many new gas said like to get and also have listener requests and people who ask me if i'm interested in covering their work, sometimes think about giving up those five shows a month where one is always repeat guest when is always someone new. And then one for conspiracy one prepare normal and one for magic but thats pretty impractical

1:05:34 Instead, I just tend to play it where it lies and things have worked out quite well for a long time. And this is the show that we squeezed in as a sort of favor to the Gramerica guys. What an easy favor right? Because Randall is a great guest anyway but we wanted to throw a little THC juice on the last remaining tickets for their event in May! It sounds like a lot of fun kudos to them for setting up I just got too many balls in the air right now to make it out there myself. I can't leave when a new website overhaul is launching, that in itself requires me to be here but I do hope they have a successful event so that more of them can happen and Arandall return to THC was overdue! I really wanted to talk to him about his take on the grail. I thought that was a lot of fun and we also got to talk about giants

1:06:31 I love just reading the quotes that speak to it. The totality of them is pretty hard to ignore." I've said this before, but when i was on that tour in Armenia our guide Vasgen kept mentioning places where they had found giant skeletons and Graham just sort of didn't want to hear about that he said, "'I'm interested in giant ideas not giant people' and I thought that was a real shame But to each their own. I'm glad Randall has put together material on it because it is fascinating and even he doesn't have much of an answer as to why it's such a secret obviously that context leads to roads they do not want us walking on And in terms of the grail, I'm sure that my psychedelic receptacle perspective is a bit simplistic but so much of religion is based on psychedelic and mystical experience

1:07:28 You know, you eat the wrong plant and you have one strange vision and that can kick off some weird cult that lasts for thousands of years. And some get bigger than others! But even when Randall quotes something like, the grail is the means of which the wasteland could be restored. That sounds like a lot more poetic way to say that kind of thing I still hear on podcasts today where people will say if we could just dose Congress with LSD or mushrooms they might start giving us shit and we can fix society To me it's very possible that that's the kind of thing that quote would speak too

1:08:08 Also in this show I took a shot with the John Brandenburg stuff. I think it's material that Randall would like or at least like to get his thoughts on because catastrophism does involve a lot of atmospheric isotope ratio analysis, I think But there's just so much cool stuff out there you can't expect them to absorb everything I think next time we talk it should be about UFOs because Randall has dropped a few lines that really sound like that Jacques Vallée, Dr. Pasulka perspective and that's one that i'm really loving right now. And I did have a couple more questions posed for the PLUS show but Randall's knowledge of catastrophism and the timeline of history is pretty deep and for him to really make his case you gotta let him go

1:08:59 That's why we have a two-hour show, thankfully. In part. But also when he gets going on a manmade climate change is a sham rant that's also something I like to just step back and let him do his thing because i think he makes a really great case And that said, I am confident that Randall wouldn't self identify as a conspiratorially minded person in general but when he talks about climate change he really nails it And we have a lot of times where guests might say, I don't think people are organized or competent enough to work together at that scale. Or society is too big for a small group of people to have such influence. Well look at the man-made climate change thing! That's a lie that Randall thoroughly dismantled

1:09:46 But it's shoved down our throats everywhere. And it's one of those things that pseudo-intellectual liberals mainly on Twitter just parrot as if they know anything about the science or the reality or these special interests involved, which you have to factor into pretty much everything and to me that issue is right there neck and neck with vaccines Just this idea where people who want to sound smart outsource their mental faculties to the experts and then get to be the smug assholes we know they are sometimes by being all high and mighty about these official talking points.

1:10:25 But what I'm getting at is that if an idea can be pushed that deeply across the culture with almost no resistance, any resistance is completely mocked and shamed into total ostracization. So I just look at where the culture is on something like man-made climate change, it's obvious some people do have power to steamroll all other ideas and steer the world where they want it to be Maybe it's just the next phase of the energy control game for the oil tycoons and the next generation of. The robber baron class sure but you have to admit whoever is there are some powerful factions when you really reflect on something like that, can you reach the inevitable what other things are there that everybody takes for granted they aren't really true and then your after the races in your THC fan.

1:11:19 And towards the beginning of the show, I didn't really need us to go over the whole Freemasonry thing. We've been doing this for close to 10 years and i hope we can digest that on our own but I wanted a prod a little bit into Randall's esoteric and magical knowledge so it's right in the mix. I hope were grown up enough to understand that these things are complex you can't judge individuals as part of a collective But I also push back a bit when Randall says something like you'd be hard-pressed to find a truly evil mason. Because take any random group of people and you're gonna run into some psychopaths! I get that he's very fond of masonry, and it has been hugely beneficial in his life—I understand why—but we've learned a lot from prying open the same esoteric toolbox

1:12:08 But for me, I've seen plenty of nefarious people cover their tracks with charitable actions. Bill Gates, the Catholic Church, the Rockefellers... So that doesn't really move the needle for me and i also think some groups now there are many factions of free masonry and esoteric orders in secret societies that don't have anything to do with each other so nothing i say applies to everyone or everything But you can't deny that some groups have sometimes utilized a filtering mechanism in the past where a good guy can only get so far. Even think about something as fairly open as the CIA or corrupt corporation in general, they don't bring the good-natured people into their inner circle of nefarious activity

1:12:57 All I'm really saying is, I think Randall's a great guy but I wouldn't vouch for any group as a whole like that. But I get his point don't get paranoid over a set of teachings and what is essentially a school. Think about Hogwarts. Hogwarts is just a secret magic school too but bad people can end up learning some super effective tools for extending their power and capacity to be even badder than they were But you don't really blame Hogwarts for that just because they produce a couple of Voldemorts here and there, do ya? You blame the Voldemorts themselves. But what do I know...I just said we shouldn't have to have the Freemasonic caveat conversation after almost 10 years in the game and then sat here and qualified the whole thing with a lengthy meandering stream-of-consciousness through vaccines and Harry Potter So maybe I should just move on

1:13:50 Like every show we do, we have a second hour for people willing to support the Hireside Chats with their $8 a month subscription. Today with Randall in our second hour we talked about things like the sun's effects on consciousness and how it relates to periods of human progress A bigger dedication to Randall's complete dismantling of the man-made climate change propaganda push Giants in the culture of the mound builders and the history of how natural catastrophism was replaced with the global warming narrative. That I thought was really interesting! So show after show, week after week...I do mean it when i say that an hour is just not enough but we have the plus members to thank for free listeners getting that first hour without any breaks or ads And to double that time is even better! What I take away from this show as a whole

1:14:45 Change in our environment is pretty normal if you get just outside of the human lifespan. Rather than millions of years, we can probably think in thousands or tens of thousands and see a lot of change within those windows Think about how quickly we do rise out of the ashes and rebuild It seems like that's why we have some ruins today that you can still kind of make out Maybe that's why we also have some cultural memories around the planet and oral traditions that contain pretty priceless information. Because it wasn't THAT long ago that we faced a complete upheaval! I don't know, for me its easier to swallow some of those facts when the timelines are shorter. The book that is the earthly story is still vastly long but the chapters might be more concise than were generally told

1:15:38 because we know it's stability and routine that keep the sheeple numb and obedient. Alright, I hope everybody has a good 420 and i'll see you at the next joint session on 425. I love you guys big thanks to Randall such a kind humble knowledgeable guy And best of luck to him and the Gramerica crew on their event in May! I'm getting out of here your move CIA comet concealers younger dryus impact deniers and giant skeleton secret keepers Your fucking move This is important hear what I said

1:16:15 I'm trying to tell you It's not paranoia, not in my head It's just the hard truth Knocked on your door while I still can To ask you cuz' I know your head is still in the sand Don't be sheep till ya slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did you get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where are- Can't you just admit, We're screwed I'm gonna tell anyway It's a skit Okay You sit and wish but we don't have a choice Seems were stuck here But you can find no sis Drown out the noise Now use that alter End up your magic game Listen to THC you know

1:17:43 You go with the ed teams If you ever see a foe Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed But you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you say that we're so screwed? Don't you know where our cum- Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell us anyway It's okay Eh eh

1:18:43 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we are Kung Fu? Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you anyway

1:19:22 Can't you see that we're