Neil Sanders | Our Data-Driven World, Sex Crimes, & The Manson Murders Cover-Up

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00:44 Alright, Hiresight Chatters. It's clear to me that the mind control propaganda and disinformation dials have been turned up to 11 in a culture that seems more erratic polarized and on edge than it has been in some time Yes, it seems like we are a society of lab rats deep into finely tuned experiments and manipulation that have been refined with billions of dollars over many decades. And with the constant bombardment of information aimed at keeping our palms sweaty and the heart rate high, it's increasingly nauseating to navigate between the latest presidential reality show tweet fest and daily reports on Hollywood's latest sacrificial lamb of sexual misconduct

01:22 It's classic sleight-of-hand tabloid culture masquerading as real news in an era where the machine is only getting more efficient and the screws are only getting tighter. So today I wanted to bring back a guest we had way, way back in the beginning of The Hireside Archive almost exactly three years ago... And that guest is Neil Sanders! Neil is a long-time researcher and expert in the dark art of mind control who holds degrees in film studies, psychology and media production as well as being a qualified hypnotherapist. He's also the author of The One Two Punch that is his dual volume set Your Thoughts Are Not Your Own with Volume 1 being subtitled Mind Control Mass Manipulation & Perception Management and Volume 2 Marketing Movies And Music

02:04 But that's not all folks, he is also here hot on the heels of his latest release a 500 plus page 200 thousand word tome covering the life times and trial of Charles Manson entitled Now Is The Only Thing That's Real? A Re-examination Of The Manson Murders Motives And Mythos which I'm sure we'll also be talking about. Well let's get this party started people! Researcher extraordinaire beacon of light in the darkest of dark worlds Neil Sanders welcome back to the higher side Thank you very much. Yeah, man it's a real pleasure to have you back I always considered you one of my favorite guests from the early days and I went back and listened to that show we did three years ago just To see how things have changed And pretty much everything we talked about then is even more concerning now social media controlling our lives sexual abuses by the privileged class propaganda entertainment

02:52 And I guess to get us started, I would just ask how you feel about things today compared to a few years ago. Are it all surprised at the current climate or is it just as you might have expected since writing your thoughts are not your own? Well, to be quite honest I'm rather surprised by the way that the internet is being used. In as much as basically a lot of people are spreading quite a lot of rubbish around on the internet there's a lot of sites that have popped up for example like Neon Nettle is a prime example they just basically print lies and it's you know business ventures he can't really knock them, well you can knock them especially when you're dealing with subjects like sexual abuse child abuse that type of thing spreading stuff that is basically red herrings is despicable actually doing it purposefully for some reason people don't seem to be honed in on the fact that all the same elements that exist in the mainstream media there's sort of propaganda techniques and manipulation techniques that astro-turfing be that fake heroes fake gurus fake grassroots

03:52 activism programs and the like, that exists in the realm of the internet probably more so than in the mainstream media to be quite honest. It is astonishing. It's still surprising actually how many people are just completely beholden to the mainstream news and all that sort of nonsense like Prince Harry was in the city where I live recently, and people were going absolutely batshit for it. People that I took to be otherwise sensible were really thrilled at the prospect prospective, this illegitimate systematic disenfranchising git turning up and spending some of our money. Yeah standing ovations for the elite class or something I'll never understand and i do think you're right there are so many sites popping up and what really sucks is that a lot of times this material this fake stuff they're putting out there is conspiracy related material so that just clearly makes us look bad it makes me look bad

04:51 Obviously, I've gotten caught on some traps as well. It's a pretty well-oiled machine it's hard not to Oh absolutely! What i meant by that was he's not the people that sort of you know being tricked by it That's the point of propaganda is to trick people it's The people who have actively set up these nodes to spread disinformation But there also... You know thats how you poison somebody You don't put it on a plate with a flag on it that says poison You put in their favorite meal You're supposed to be a clandestine manipulation of information. Like one of the ones that I don't understand why anybody trusts at all is Russia Today, RT and they're very skilled because they basically put out about a degree of truth. They put out a lot of things that wouldn't be covered in mainstream media. Their only problem with Russia Today or there's many problems with Russia Today but it's Kremlin based you know? It's the direct line of the Russian government and

05:49 It's tentacles stretched to the FSB, which used to be KGBs. You know it's a very sophisticated propaganda machine and therefore is not to be trusted Amen, man. And God I really hate to contribute to the constant rehashing of the American election cycle a year after it happened but you were one of the first guests that brought up Jeffrey Epstein in detail and i just find it so crazy that we had this election between two people so closely associated with an international pedophile both sides seem to have blinders on when we're talking about the supporters. They have blinders on when it comes to the crimes of their own candidate, but... When it comes to the inner circle of the actual president, It seems like those links go pretty deep don't they? Oh yeah I mean Trump is a long time friend of Jeffrey Epstein

06:38 The story that everybody sort of like, popularized Jeffrey Epstein. I mean he'd already been convicted of pedophilia before this but basically it was when that young girl the 15 year old masseuse Virginia Roberts was hired by Jeffrey Epstein and she worked for Mar-a-Lago which is Trump's golf club in Florida believe it That's where Virginia worked, age 15. That's where she met Giselaine Maxwell. Giselaine Maxwell introduced to Jeffrey Epstein and Jeffrey Epstein and Giselaine Maxwell have been good friends with Trump probably since the 90s. The most damning quote is in 2002 Trump told New York Magazine

07:18 I've known Jeff for 15 years. He's a terrific guy, he's lots of fun to be with. It's even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do and many of them are on the younger side." No doubt about it Jeffrey enjoys his social life like...I'm very aware that Bill Clinton was on the Lolita Express and that his name appeared apparently on the flight records uh forget what its 19 or 22 times an incriminatingly large amount of times. But from the very, very same source that as far as I'm aware that came from which was Mark Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's brother is also confirmed that Donald Trump was on that same Lolita Express at least twice in 2009 Donald Trump was subpoenaed to give a deposition on Epstein but the subpoena was withdrawn when Trump negotiated to give a voluntary statement to police that would be held out of court proceedings

08:10 But it was proven in this subsequent court case that Trump called Epstein's Palm Beach estate at least twice from his private line in November 2004. In Vanity Fair 2002, it was shown that Trump regularly dined at Epstein's Palm Beach Estate—he admitted this in an interview—in the New York Magazine in 2003. Trump was shown to be dining at Epsteins Manhattan home and he said that this is a regular occurrence. Yeah! It's totally, totally shady The other connection with the inner circle of Trump is Mark Collins Rector and Brock Pierce. When Mark Collins Rector was a known paedophile in 2004, he'd already been charged with amonestation of a child and escaped to Spain had been brought back by international police in 2004. Mark Collins Rector and Brock Pierce started a business with Steve Bannon

09:05 Steve Bannon, the former aide to the president and known to Breitbart. Breitbart was owned by Robert Mercer. Robert Mercer is the main financier of the Trump campaign and the employer of people like Kellyanne Conway and various other people like that. He's a very prominent white nationalist as well, to be quite honest. Yeah, it is just fascinating to me that both camps would be so closely associated with a guy like this. And our country is so polarized over here that we really suffer from this what about-ism where it's like well you want to point out my side did this? Well what about that and it's like how about both sides are criminal how about both sides abuse children like come on I thought we were over this left and right paradigm thing Oh absolutely! To be quite honest

09:55 I think part of the reason for that is due to very, very clever marketing. And this has been done...I think basically it's actually been done with the help of the American government. It's really down to a company called Cambridge Analytica Cambridge Analytica is a data mining firm. It's owned by Robert Mercer, the chief financier of Donald Trump and the owner of Breitbart who is the employer of Milo Yiannopoulos and Steve Bannon and also Kellyanne Conway. Basically what they did was they merged with a company called SCL which is a former British military intelligence psychological warfare organization that deals specifically with directing influence

10:36 you know, psychological operations. It's often been utilized to sort of do soft coups in South African countries and things like that and it has direct connections to the Pentagon British military intelligence the British Secret Service Marconi defense systems with US Marines and the U S military and I believe said Pentagon already but also directly to The White House What happened was basically the Trump campaign employed, actually the Brexit campaign employed this data mining firm to micro-target people and figure out what was making them tick. What they did is they bought all your Facebook data, they bought all your Twitter data and they bought all your data from WhatsApp and Instagram and stuff like that. And then you basically trawled through it using algorithms to figure out what you liked or what you didn't like. They micro targeted you and they basically created sock puppet accounts

11:28 and start conversations with you and send you fake news articles all directly specifically to get you rolled up, And I think that they very cleverly took advantage of the fact that people are massively, massively disengruntled. And they said the right things. They talked about people being disenfranchised and talks about the elites but it was you know it was a lie. You know these just words for example Donald Trump is for start he's bloodline related to the Clintons There's enough dirt on Donald Trump and his connections to the mafia, as we spoke about before connections to Epstein for the mainstream media or for the Democrats to absolutely destroy him. And yet they haven't chosen to do that. It's all for show it's all nonsense.

12:21 facade is just there to give you the impression that basically somebody's fighting for the little man. It's the utilization of nationalism and xenophobia, hatred of other people all stoked together with genuine fears about economic worries and heightened fears of things like terrorism and stuff like that Again like with all good propaganda nice dog with the truth talking about basically how i need to do a ripping you off no talk about how trump is going to let me know history of ripping off little people destroying small business not paying contractors that's what i was saying.

12:57 As you say, I don't quite understand why there is this level of emperor's new clothes about this guy. A lot of it has to do with the media notes as I said like not only on Facebook and stuff like that subconsciously manipulating you towards a specific candidate which is basically been admitted by the utilization of military industrial complex level psychological warfare organizations that just so happen to favor the wants and needs of the elites Not only that but through their media through bright bar which is owned by the very same people to judge for another. I don't like that basically get there media from the same reporters certainly from info wars that they should be incredibly

13:40 large step to the right just about same time that it's production values went through the roof which seems to drive with what was going on in james' private life which probably would've been terribly expensive for him at the time, when he shifted got a new demographic and then immediately got sort of access to you the president elect. Which is an unprecedented media cure one point news talk about the match you being allowed into the white house and press conference like that i think it got there but i wouldn't be surprised to see them out quick pro quo what's going on behind the scenes, in order to set up this candidate and setup at continuing and expanding media career some of these people involved in particular.

14:26 Great points man and those things probably help to explain why a lot of the conspiracy world does seem to have this savior thing going on when they're thinking about Trump. It's like I've heard from many guests, they'll say things like well it seems like Trump is finally gonna do something about X Y or Z It's like I'm always disappointed in that misplaced trust. I've had guests saying that he is going to put an end to pedophile networks, he is going to roll back vaccines and stop geoengineering all that sort of stuff it doesn't make sense to me you make a great point about Infowars I could say the same about Red Ice it seems like alternative media shows they just turn into right wing shows all of sudden something I don't understand and something I am trying to work against

15:11 I genuinely think that these are the influence of two people, essentially Robert Murtagh who i keep mentioning was the main financier of Donald Trump and is essentially the person who's behind Breitbart and Milo Yiannopoulos Steve bannon and can you call me in the things that is a hedge fund manager and he has a dream of an all white utopia in america, your person is a multi millionaire will be ready to read second or third. He basically is not there incredibly wealthy aristocrat lives in america very influential

15:48 and he has a dream of an all-white utopia in America. There's a theme that seems to run through this, he basically owns the Charles Martel Society and the NCL which I forget what that stands for but these are basically right wing think tanks And one of their major protégés who's funded out of there is Richard Spencer. Richard Spencer is the gentleman that has the stupid swept to the left lesbian's haircut and got punched on the face by the bloke in the mask, he coined the phrase alt-right. William Roach was second also basically financed a series of books that were put out to help Donald Trump. Well, no it was a book that was sponsored by Donald Trump and he basically financed this and put it out prior to the election. It's all just soft propaganda for Donald Trump but he also organized phone campaigns and blanket media campaigns in order to encourage people to vote for Donald Trump as well so

16:43 we can see that these very wealthy people they want trump to be the candidate. Yes it's an interesting maybe some of these people right maybe he did genuinely wants to do this blah blah blah etc etc i believe dead but maybe who knows what is not the guy use the front man, yes the window dressing there has been essentially attempted I know it sounds a bit melodramatic, but there's been an attempted right-wing coup behind the scenes in America with the shift. It is just people jostling for position and you know the chaos that ensues from Trump and the chaos that is going to ensue certainly economic and business sense from Brexit is going to benefit greatly people who hedge fund managers like William, sorry Robert Mercer The other person that Robert Mercer pays for is Nigel Farage

17:34 you get the reason that bright box set up an office in london was to promote you keep propaganda is also behind your financial help through, can we try to get quite legally i'm not had leave you and do you got me all my city will remain. How is brexit campaigns that were promoted by people like you during that time this is why i find it troubling about the same kind of times in this concert is there basically at the minute, we're seeing a lot of people that are reporting to be champions of the people who use it for my manager is a multimillionaire start tomorrow he leaves for a long time out of the country

18:18 All of these rhetoric is just nonsense, it's just basically again saying the things that people want to hear because essentially he's justifying and saying oh you know what this is wrong with the world and this is wrong with the world. Yes your absolutely right! You know whose fault it is? Whose whose those people over there those disenfranchised people now here's the interesting thing about a target We've always got to find a target that is different enough and powerful enough for you to be afraid of them. So we know just enough of them to know that they exist, but we don't know enough about them so that we're not terrified of them. And they've got to be perceived to be powerful enough to destroy the entire planet and yet there's some weaknesses somehow. They don't really have any campaign or platform to make a counter argument on these points which seems very, very sort

19:07 counterintuitive to the rhetoric. But yeah, this is the point that these are very wealthy people with ties to the military industrial complex in both UK and America. And I'm not saying that people didn't have a good reason or a good thought behind why they voted for Brexit for why they voted for Trump but this strange and provable fact is As I say, these multi-millionaires billionaires and corporations with links to the military industrial complex. The White House, the Pentagon US Marines Marconi defense systems UK Military Psychological Operations Warfare departments wanted you to vote that way

19:46 Well said man and you know we're both in our thirties and it just seems to me that there has been a real synergy to the bush clinton bush obama years. And that does seem to have changed you mentioned the idea of something a lot i guess your talk about n, There's clearly a lot of stuff being thrown at us. It can be really hard to sift down to what's important, but what do you think are the main goals behind this administration? What's the real game behind the game here when it comes to the jockeys that have been riding the Trump horse? Well it's difficult to say... The bottom line is money there's a couple of things that basically this doesn't necessarily mean anything but it's an observation okay who actually benefits greatly from the breakup of the EU and

20:35 and potentially the breakup of NATO. This is going to sound pretty like, oh Christ Neil it's like Russia! I don't necessarily think that that's... There's something going on this whole thing is tied in I think so the pipeline was going through Ukraine and I don't know exactly what it is but that's what Paul Manafort was there doing and I don't think its Trump per se I think as they say it's the people behind Trump there's some benefit that will basically, if there's chaos in Europe and there is chaos in America, that basically the sanctions will get lessened or perhaps something will happen whereby this pipeline that goes through Ukraine will actually become more operational. And Russian companies will make a shed load of money. That's essentially why the UK and US engineered a coup in the Ukraine to try and prevent this pipeline from going on

21:23 So what I wonder, and again this is not necessarily what i think it's an observation that there's enough indicators to go wealth that might be a possibility. Somebody's dicking about just in essence to try and get this pipeline done because behind the scenes they're going to make a huge amount of money, we've already seen the poor manifold actually made a huge amount of money by basically being pro-Russian in Ukraine and I've been saying this for ages that that's essentially what Syria is about and Georgia is about These are proxy wars against Russia, but it's not really for anything other than economic reasons. It is for gas pipelines and that type of thing. Is this actually connected to this

22:07 Well, I mean that's possibly the sort of suggestion has been put around by the mainstream media which you know usually are loath to go along with. But i've actually been saying that for ages but it don't think its Trump. I think its Mercer and all the people behind him who would be the main beneficiaries in this type of specific action as do anything else more than that As stated before The people behind this particular movement and this particular administration have an extremely right-wing bent. And certainly the financiers of these movements have spoken on many occasions of wanting a white ethnostate in America, which is ludicrous but this is what they've said. Is that their intention? No idea! Is it really anything to do with Russia

22:57 No idea. These are just observations that I have. As I said recently on the Rich Price Show, Trump's obviously a front man. Like, I think he basically is an idiot – an arrogant idiot who was convinced that he could do this and I think on the side he probably made a a few dodgy deals to advance him because he's the business man, that's the sort of guy that he is. You know there are any number of possibilities as to why Trump was what the ultimate goal is Is he malleable? Is he easily controllable behind-the-scenes? Is he the sort of person who can get away with anything and act like an idiot kind of in the way George Bush did And then people give him a pass like this old stupid Donald again or whatever

23:42 Did you notice the second that George Bush stopped being president, he suddenly became the most articulate and witty person you've ever met in your entire life? It was ridiculous. I mean obviously like he's still on The Source when it was at that memorial and he tried to start a can-can with Michelle Obama who is not to be trusted but it was a marking ploy for him to act quite as stupidly as he did during his presidency You've always got to be aware of these potential angles. As you say, anything that they're showing you it's all for show. They want you to see it. Somebody wants you to see this stuff that they can cover up is ludicrous so

24:22 It's very, very suspicious when as you say like people are propped up to be champions of the people or whatever. I'm a cynical and miserable misanthrope so I constantly have rubbish but it is very powerful and very alluring because they're telling you everything that you want here to be quite honest and they're doing it in a very clever way but they're doing also with the help of really sophisticated military side ops Yeah, man. It's just games within games as always and as someone who has covered the entertainment industry so greatly how do you feel about these almost daily reports of sexual abuse of varying degrees whether it is Harvey Weinstein Kevin Spacey Matt Lauer Charlie Rose Louis CK Al Franken I mean there is clearly something happening here but is there a deeper agenda or goal behind this flood of accusations?

25:13 somewhat targeted or like it might be some type of smoke screen, or is it genuine? Who knows. I mean, it's certainly horrific and I don't wish to make light of it but as a lot of people are saying lately specifically was never a secret with Harvey Weinstein in a lot of these rooms the Louis CK stuff has been out for ages but then again so did the Bill Cosby stuff that had been out for years in the rumor mill It's nothing new Again, I'm not trying to diminish The criminal activity is gone i'm just pointing out that basically hollywood in all industry essentially. Works to a degree on power and sexuality like james dean was a rent boy before you were sick in hollywood, marlon brando was up the lead did casting couch type things with men could be wrong about that man in the road, i miss you said she spent majority of auditions on her knees

26:03 It's always been fixes in hollywood i suggest that people look into a really fascinating catch any minutes he was basically, what are the people that made scandals go away you know. Davis or any of these people got pregnant you would be the person that arranged their secrets abortion If Starlet were homosexual, he would basically arrange for them to be married off to other people and promote their public profile. He even ran the extent of covering up a murder and rape in two separate incidents. In one instance Clark Gable ran a lady over and killed her. In another instance, he raped the girl who got her pregnant and Eddie Maddox not only managed to cover up the crime but also successfully got the girls having abortion this was in the 40s or 50s there is all manner of things that Hollywood would go through to cover-up it's very strange how these things came out I can't remember exactly

27:01 what the spark to the Harvey Weinstein scandal was off the top of my head. I don't know if you can, can you Greg? I can't remember the actress's name but it was just one actress who came out and then the floodgates opened. Hmm...I mean, y'know, I don't doubt his story to be quite honest It is interesting somebody was pointing out this all these girls that come out said blah blah blah its interesting to notice ones that have kept quiet about this like because you know you could speculate that this is common practice It's horrific. It happens in all walks of life, there is no specter of powerful industry where people don't take advantage of people

27:42 Hollywood is particularly dangerous and the music industry because of the rewards that it promises. They don't actually give you these rewards a lot of time, it's actually horrific like for example let me give you an idea how alluring this music business in the film industry is but I was reading these articles really quite old but still very very interesting article by Courtney Love the other day she talking about basically if your band or your four piece band and you get signed, and you get a million dollar advance. That's essentially a loan for a start. Half of it goes to your manager immediately. Half of it goes to various other production agents and the like as sort of it goes towards recording your album. Basically left at the time with about $45000 per person to live on for the rest of your life essentially until you next get paid if you're next getting paid

28:37 Your album comes out, you record two videos. They give you another half a million dollars for that and they give you $200,000 towards tour support and they've also given you some money towards recording your album. You sell a million dollars basically you get 2 million dollars back at this time now that's exactly what you owe the record label Because of all the stuff that they forwarded for you. So basically if you're in a position like, or certainly again this was in 2000 but if your in a position where you sold a million records and just broke even okay so record company at that point has made something in the region netted about seven or eight million dollars off the back of it. There's very interesting things within the music industry were basically if your failure is an act they can often write into clauses whereby they can write you off as essentially tax loss

29:29 is incredibly strange business like something like ninety percent of all artists expected to fail and not to recoup, losses in the music industry yet for years and years it's been incredibly profitable and the same with a movie industry you know david pratt said the guy that played. Not the voice but the actor that play darth vader never got paid star wars because basically he was gonna get percentage when i went into profit due to this really really release these practice good hollywood's accounting you're still technically never ever made a profit.

30:03 David Prouse never got paid. That's again quite a common thing in these industries, Pink Floyd for Christ sake had to sue to get their money if Pink Floyd have to sue what hope does anyone else have? Yet do you know I mean the people throw that kids at this industry and this is one of the things that was certainly exposed in an open secret documentary about pedophilia in Hollywood A lot of the people that were exposed in that particular documentary were managers for children, agents who worked with children. Directors are people who work with kids supposedly there to be guidance to them but not. People like Bob Villard used to manage Leonardo DiCaprio and Tobey Maguire. He basically later convicted a child borning ludax on children he said

30:57 Hollywood photographer that work with michael harry michael how was one of the fans of the screen actors get what we need to do is i want to stay in the front yard abuse them. This is the most wise man she's the person allegedly pretty much definitely rates cory haynes He was a manager for young actors and therefore he worked in an agency, we'll get your kids these parts blah blah send them over to us. We're helping your kids become the stars of tomorrow and they'd be abused over at his house this went on for years and years so that's the thing it happens it's horrendous

31:39 But why is it coming out? I don't know. I'd like to think that basically because society doesn't tolerate this stuff, but i don't really believe that. For example, Corey Haynes made noise about John Grissom and Marty Weiss. He's named those two people as being abusers and I haven't seen anything done about it seriously. It's very interesting that those two names have been pilloried in the same way other people There's always going to be people that are escapists. Casey Affleck, I think because he won Oscars recently... He's not been approached in the same way and there have been horrific stories about stuff that he has done. Strange one! It is very odd

32:25 Yes, it is interesting how it seems to at least be reaching the mainstream for the first time I can remember at such a high volume. But it's also kind of like The Red Scare that just labeling someone as a sexual predator is enough for them to be blackballed and none of this is going to trial like you said there really is only the court of public opinion in these cases which is powerful but it just seems like there's definitely an operation going on their scams and schemes as always I'd say So I wanted to also get into your latest exploration of the Manson murders. It's a saga that i was always suspicious of, never really dug too deep into until I was preparing for this interview and there are a lot of threads that I just had no idea about and

33:07 Your book is super extensive, but could you remind the people of some of the cliff notes to the official story and then maybe we can pick it apart a bit? Yeah sure. I mean look... The official story is that this convict called Charles Manson came out of prison in 1967 aged 33 went down to Haight-Ashbury and somehow managed to ingratiate himself with people at Universal Studios get himself a harem of young girls and a bus to travel in and he would travel up and down the west coast before ingratiating himself with a rock star called Dennis Wilson, who was the drummer in The Beach Boys. He basically was introduced into the music industry and a gentleman called Terry Melcher who is the son of Doris Daye was apparently later convened to perhaps record an album for him at the behest of Dennis Wilson but he started freaking everybody out and basically

34:03 believe that he was jesus and also the devil in the party would use sex or just. I think you should be in order to control his family because he strongly believed, that's a war is going right what was going on down there you called help to scout this was going to be an apocalyptic war between black people and white people in which the black people would win. Now, the cult that was surrounded by Charles Manson as is described by the prosecution would retreat to the desert and hide in a hole in the ground called The Bottomless Pit, sort of underground cave system until their numbers swelled to 144 000 and then they would come out of the ground

34:46 and take over the world from the black people who wouldn't be running it particularly efficiently because they'd never had the chance to do that before. So was their belief. Anyway, this is all going quite swimmingly except for the fact that basically Terry Moucher thinks his music is rubbish! And so rejected by the music industry Charles Manson decides to enact How To Skelter in himself by killing a load of white people in such a way that they would think the black people had killed them and therefore Helter Skelter would kick off preemptively. It's all a little bit silly and convoluted. He apparently sent people to the house of Gary Hinman, a friend of theirs, to get some money so he could go stay in the desert. This didn't go very well – he ended up being

35:31 In a separate incident, Charles Manson himself had ended up shooting a black drug dealer called Bernard Lotsapoppa Crow. He believed him to be dead and felt that this was going to be bad for him. Basically according to the prosecution he sent his acolytes out on one night to the former home of Terry Melcher, the producer who wronged him and the people that lived there... well it's Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate but Roman Polanski was in London trying to get a film started And the people that were there were their house guests, Jay Sebring who was a friend of theirs and former boyfriend of Sharon Tate. And Wojtek Piekarski and Abigail Bolger who also used to stay there quite a lot. There was also a lad called Stephen Parent who was visiting the caretaker who lived in a little house just around the back and all five of these people were murdered by Tex, Susan Atkins, Patricia Kroenwinkel and Linda Kasabian was apparently

36:25 I don't buy standard that didn't do anything and she later became a material witness for the prosecution. The following night they went completely random to a house owned by a couple called the labyankas, and murdered them before retreating back to first spawn ranch which they lived on which was in chaps with california and then later moving out to arrange in the desert called myers ranch Basically, they were running a stolen car ring and stripping down cars turning them into dune buggies. And the police got wise to this and arrested them for this when they arrested Susan Atkins They discovered that she had been at the scene of Gary Hinman murder and so They questioned her on other murders it soon became apparent that she or she confessed very very quickly To being at the scene of the Sharon Tate murder and being actually murdered Sharon Tate

37:14 And she was given immunity if she basically told the entire story to a grand jury. She did this, but very shortly afterwards she decided that she changed her mind and said that she'd been coerced into saying this at which point the prosecution put forth Linda Kasabian as the material witness and she told the story of Charles Manson, the court leader who thought he was Jesus, thought that this race war was going to come down so had sent his followers out to kill these people in order kickstart this apocalyptic race war essentially to get back at society and the music industry that had wronged him. Well, that's the official story anyway it is quite a long story I apologize. No worries man! That's a great breakdown and clearly it is a tangled web

37:59 And I think a lot of people see the wide range of connections between Manson and the entertainment world as well as the drugs, and what seemed to be trafficking of women or at least prostitution. They think there's probably some very revealing threads there but it seems so hard to separate the truth from the fiction It is not surprising that with so many operations in rings seemingly at risk being exposed that they would be a containment strategy And that is the cover up, right? It seems like a containment strategy is exactly what we see here. Right? Yeah, absolutely. I mean to be quite honest Initially, my thought is that the police didn't actually want to solve the crime. They lost evidence they didn't make really obvious connections. They really did it wasn't until they were basically publicly embarrassed by two sets of people one was a group of reporters that basically found the bloody clothes have been abandoned by text what's in the raiders at Seattle drive

39:00 and the second was a boy could see why she found that when it was actually used to the murders in turn into the place, i need to promise to reward basically what is father phone up to find out what's going on with this. But they'd actually lost the evidence. Well, the father he knew somebody that worked for a newspaper and so he says well I'm not having this we're going to go to the newspapers and call you out on your incompetence at which point they mysteriously found the gun and At this point Vincent Bugliosi was pretty much forced to concoct a reason for this whole series of murders going down that would be believable without actually exposing any of the real motivations behind it. To be quite honest, there's four theories about Manson about the whole thing to do with Charles Manson himself his followers or such as they are

39:54 and the murders, and also his connections to celebrities. The first is basically the standard Vincent Bugliosi helter-skelter theory which is what I told you before. The second theory is the one that's promoted by Ed Sanders and to an extent Dave McGowan and various other people that Manson was actually involved in a satanic cult that was perhaps connected to the process of final judgment which was a offshoot of the Church of Scientology that had some ideas similar to some other things that Manson has said or was purported to have said, and that was the actual real reason behind the murders.

40:34 The third theory is one that was put forward by Nicholas Schreck and also by William Scanlon Murphy, that basically the whole thing was nothing really to do with Manson. It was a pretty grubby straightforward drugs murder and all the people that were involved were drug dealers. And it was just too much of an embarrassment to expose this because of all the sort of celebrities that would have been involved and so they were forced to concoct a ludicrous explanation for these crimes. And then the fourth theory is one that's put out by Megan Brussell and touched

41:10 touched upon by a gentleman called Adam Gowright is that basically as part of something called Operation Chaos, Charles Manson was an MKUltra mind control victim that was basically set up on society and programmed to arrange these killings in order to demonize the free love movement, the hippie movement. any sort of anti-war political movement that might be tangentially connected to the, or seem to be connected to those particular groups. So what I did with the book was basically first off try and get an accurate timeline of Charles Manson's life by getting as much information in many sources as i possibly could and mashing it all together in a timeline going from the murders up until he is imprisoned, up until his sentencing and then starting from his birth going off into trial

42:01 And once you do that, you can start to sort of test these theories by putting them up against them and having a look at it. An immediate one was the basic rule the prosecution's lying for two reasons or several dozens of reasons but first off, the material evidence in the crime scene does not match the explanation that was given at trial. It does not match the explanation that was given by Vincent Bugliosi and is popularized as the real where did the movies went down who was there what happened next century center one of the main so proponents of the prosecution theory with that on a specific night. New Year's Eve 1968

42:42 Charles Manson was at a bonfire giving his speech to his seeming acolytes and Paul Watkins said that it was this specific time that he said, now is the time for Helter Skelter. This year we're going to basically ramp up Helter Skelter." This is the first time that he's told about this apocalyptic race war. The only problem with this as if you look at the actual physical evidence of facts, at that specific time Charles Manson was six hours away enjoying a very, very salubrious New Year's Eve party at the home of John Phillips who was the leader and songwriter for their pop group The Mamas & The Papas. So he couldn't possibly have made that speech." Interesting man!

43:23 Yeah, so it's obviously a very complex story overall. I guess once Susan Atkins one of his followers was being held for the first murder she was visited by some high priced mob lawyers that basically got the ball rolling on crafting their sensational cult narrative to distract away from those other aspects that might expose the interests of the people that these two lawyers met have really worked for right? Oh, absolutely. Yeah I mean that's the entire thing this is one of the most ludicrous aspects of the whole story i mean say what you want but anybody is

44:01 Let's take it as read that the prosecution story is true. The guy still deserves due process and prior to the trial even taking place, Calabaro and Caruso these two high-priced lawyers that usually dealt with drug dealers and mafia associates basically for no money decided to help Susan Atkins On the understanding that she made this fantastic confession about all these celebrities that were going to be killed and what went on that night, and life under the control of a cult leader Charles Manson. And not only did they get his confession make her say this in the grand jury

44:38 before the trial started. They also serialized it in the Los Angeles Times, and then later it was publicized in a book by Lawrence Schiller called The Killing of Sharon Tate. This book was available and became a bestseller before the trial started which again Let's take it as read that the prosecution case is accurate. That still grounds for a mistrial, there is no way that you can get a completely unbiased jury in that circumstance if we're talking about high-priced lawyers and mysterious high priced lawyers the whole case is littered with it. Tex Watson who escaped away back to Texas I believe

45:18 Although maybe he's incorrect about that. When he was hiding there, awaiting trial himself for the murders but was actually sort of being held in a prison or jail cell, a local jail cell by his cousin and visited by his mom and girlfriend daily brought him food packages and his girlfriend was allowed to stay with him in the cell so it wasn't particularly hard going whilst the Manson trial was going on. He was visited by Dawson Delane, I believe again that I may have got those particular names wrong but these two again incredibly high-priced lawyers from Beverly Hills that had claimed to have spoken to him 35 to 40 times prior to meeting him that year and

46:01 C2 house that is the name of all the white is seemingly penniless, can you give me everything up to be part of a cold as the prosecution why even have the money to go see lawyers makes little sense. Just prior to his release in 1967, I believe it was 1967. It might have been early in the 50s actually Charles Manson was visited by a very high priced Beverly Hills lawyer called George Shibley and I was recently in contact with the lady that runs The Truth on Tate Labianca website i'm pretty nice lady and she told me something that i didn't know about the george shibley was later convened to be one of the lawyers what's on behalf of. No no sir hamster which is again very strange all these connections too somebody this seemingly just a criminal

46:53 And it's super interesting all around so i get that manson was running drugs and pimping out women which makes him a friend to the hollywood crowd no doubt but if the helter skelter scenario is made up of the cold tea process church type aspects are made up and there's nothing to the operation chaos angles. What was the motivation behind the Tate-LaBianca murders? Was it just drug related infighting that got out of hand. I'm afraid it looks very much like that, you know when I first go into this I really really was a big proponent of the process judge final judgment theory I thought that was really strong

47:32 I thought it was fascinating and because of the connections to people like Bill Mentzer, who is mentioned in The Ultimate Evil and probably was one of the Son Of Sam shooters. And his sort of tangential connection to the case...I thought that was really strong." Essentially he was a drug dealer that was knocking around at the same time and he was friends with Mama Cass. He also was friends with Laney Jacobs who were his friends with Dennis Wilson, used to stay in Dennis Wilson's when Charles Manson was there and it was friends with Robert Evans. And Robert Evans was a good friend of Sharon Tate. Robert Evans basically phoned Sharon Tate every night, visited her every day that Roman Polanski was away to make sure she was safe. The only time he didn't visit was on the night of August 8th when for some strange reason he just decided to phone her.

48:22 instead and she informed him that she wasn't going to be staying the night, she was gonna go stay at her friend Sheila Wells' house. And then 15 minutes later she changed her mind, 15 minutes later than that text turned up with Susan and Patricia and Linda... ...and the rest is history! What's strange is in the trial Doris Tate was approached by Sandra Good another friend of Charles Manson and she basically implored to us we're really really sorry we didn't think Sharon was gonna be there We phoned ahead and were told that she wasn't gonna be there Now that's very interesting when basically, you know Robert Evans I think really needs to be spoken to a little bit more about what he was doing and what he knew about. What was going to happen that particular night? But um... What was the original question Gregg? Oh just uh.. What the true motivation was if it was just infighting that got out of hand drug related

49:14 Yeah, that's essentially what the more I looked into it. The more I thought of the best research had been done on this. The best insight into this had been from William Scanlon Murphy and the best research that has been done on this has been by Nicholas Shreck on his book, The Manson File. I don't agree with everything he says but I think he gets an incredible amount right particularly in stuff that lines up with what William Scannon Murphy said. Essentially what happened was J C Ring was a drug dealer. He dealt cocaine to people like Peter Sellers and Paul Newman and Steve McQueen, all the same clients that he used to cut hair for. He was basically the person that popularized metrosexuality to an extent in as much as making it perfectly acceptable for very macho people to take pride in their appearance in a way they'd not been allowed to before but he also dealt a huge amount of drugs to these people which he got from a bloke called Joel Rustow who was in Genovese Connected

50:10 mafia guy and he turned up on the night of August 8th with a huge package of cocaine to Joe Sebring. Basically what happened was just prior to this Wojtek Piekowski who is a friend of Roman Polanski's and was trying to break into the movie industry but just really wasn't doing particularly well had decided that drugs were perhaps a better avenue I need to approach the three canadian dealers who got this big batch of something called mda which is kinda like ecstasy and not quite. He's called Fairy Dust sometimes. But basically, he'd got hold of a load of this and decided that he was going to set himself up as the MDA Baron in Los Angeles and sold a load to Linda Kasabian. Linda Kasabian is painted as being this really nice girl who had been brought in and manipulated by Charles Manson. She was only out at the ranch about two weeks if that, and she spent all her time with text

51:05 Before she even turned up, she stole 300 tabs of acid for $5,000 from her husband. Actually from the husband's friend i gave it to text she didn't give it to charlie she gets tax he knows the program drug dealer as well, and was not a terry savior character text was essentially a good deal of text wasn't really involved with charlie at all you live in the main part of the ranch is able stay on the outskirts around because he's traded a truck to charlie for him charging like. Tex was a rent boy that was basically small time drug dealer, knocking about with and trying to ingratiate himself with Dennis Wilson. And when Charlie basically rolled up and started staying at Dennis Wilson's house

51:49 text just so happens to be there being part of the ongoing party that was basically going on at denny's house and else's house in my mccassie's house it's yellow drive like martin manson new c.i.o dr like you can park your bed many times and text used to live with a local dean morehouse before Basically, Tex and Linda were sold a batch of this MDA. And it turned out to be rubbish. It turned out to be particularly poor quality MDA. So they were really pissed off about this. That's why they targeted that house on that particular night not because of revenge against the music industry. In fact after the murders Manson was seen knocking about with Terry Melcher he knew that Terry had moved to Malibu He knew exactly who

52:34 lived at that house. Manson didn't tell them to go to their house, Manson basically told Tex get some money for Bobby because Bobby had been arrested for a deal Manson owned Bobby a favor, Tex owed Manson a favor. Manson goes well it's easy you owe Bobby a favor and the thing he needs to do is get him out of jail get some money put together so they can have a lawyer don't care how you do it. He was at that point Manson was actually off with a young Jewish girl called Stephanie Schramm in San Diego and didn't get back into the ranch until about 2, 3 in the morning. At which point then shortly after that the guys came back saying oh we've killed everybody! We went over there basically to take their drugs and it all went wrong. Sharon made a run for it... no so basically what happened was yeah Sharon made a run for it, Tex split out and stabbed her to death Stephen Pound saw it he's driving down the ranch so fast that he very nearly went over a ravine

53:32 he was stabbed by linda sabian and then shot by tax. Then they show jc brain running right now, let me go to the white house how do we know this because the police report states that basically Abigail and Wojtek were heard screaming for their life at about four in the morning, gunshots were going off at four in the morning. So basically what happened was these guys who'd went over there to rob JC Ibrim of his drugs first they went over to try and break into JCI Ibrims house. JC Ibrim's house backed onto the house of this couple called The Webers This is never really spoke about it basically he always spoke about that The Webers caught them

54:10 using their homes, drinking from their homes. What's not talked about is the fact that the Webers house backs onto JC Brinks' house so in the inference that is believed by William Scully Murphy and Nicola Shrepp and myself is that basically they were there to try and break into JC Brink's house to steal more of his drugs They went back to the ranch and Madsen says, right so what's going on? Oh we've killed all these people. Right okay is anyone left alive oh yeah probably did you cover your tracks no not at all okay right so they get back in the car drive back over to Cielo Drive at which point they execute Abigail Folger and Wojciech Gawski which means that Madison was probably

54:50 almost certainly a witness to murders, but he didn't order the murders. He didn't arrange for them these people were not his acolytes The very fact that basically what happened was Tex tried to steal a load of weed from this black drug dealer called Bernard Blosser Popper Crowe and he left his ex-girlfriend there as like collateral No, he hated his ex girlfriend who wanted get back at her because she'd stolen some money from him So you just left it down just ran off And Bernard Crowe phones up the ranch and says, I'm going to burn the ranch down. Come over there and kill all the blokes and rape all women unless you sort this out at which point Tex says oh no i'm not going Charlie can't get anybody including hardened criminals like Danny Piccolo To go over there and help him sort this business out that Texas got him into What sort of a cult leader is that?

55:38 that can't even direct his own followers, apparently his most committed followers to actually get off their arse and go do anything for him. So basically as I say this They come back at about, say 3 in the morning, 2-3 in the morning. Bump into Manson they go back out there about 4 in the morning and they finish off Wojtek Prakowski and Abgel or Folger and then they leave And that's it The reasons that they went to the LaBiancas the next night are... A bit complicated to be quite honest There is still some question marks about it The reason Charlie says he went over there

56:17 This is another thing I do in my book that nobody seems to do. Is, I've actually sort of gone through the interviews with Charlie and listened to what he said Now a lot of what he says is completely impenetrable because of slang and stuff like that so you need to learn to understand it Once you do that but even if you don't do that there's a lot you tell me exactly what went on is just the most people dismisses the rantings of a lunatic. He was completely honest never change your story as far as i can see basically told you exactly the reason that we're not in an interview with hard copy, will you ask why would you get the lab and he said when did she get a little black book

56:59 a little black book that basically contained some information that was to do with the mafia in the music industry and I walked in there and said to Lilo LaBianca, I'm here from Franticarbo okay give me the little black book if you don't give it a little black book you're gonna die. It's as simple as that And then he said the black book wasn't there, so he couldn't get it. So Manson left and the interviewer says did you know Lino Labianca? I started learning about Lino Labianca but Lino Labianca knew Frankie Carbo and I knew Frankie Carbo. Frankie Carbo was incredibly influential mafia figure that Manson just so happened to rub shoulders with in prison in his youth.

57:37 You also was close to frank costello who's also known as the prime minister of crime and through his connections with creepy carpet so they can time. Who is also introduced into you, do you go graces of mickey cohen in order to be able to play music in certain bars in san francisco areas like that. Again the intrigues and threads that were the case and often run to a new rating dead end The murder again was done by Tex. Okay, Tex turned up and killed these people okay? And the evidence again shows that basically he put dress on over Rosemary Lavianca's nightdress and took her out of the car which is always left on the drive with an expensive boat on it was left on the road with boats still attached and keys in the ignition which indicates that basically Rosemary was very hurriedly dressed and taken away from home possibly to her boutique

58:36 possibly to the supermarket where her husband works. Because her husband was basically in massive amounts of debt to various mafia members through his gambling and he'd been stealing from the place where he worked, so that night was the last night that he would have had access to that safe which is very strange Nicola Shreve reports to know witnesses and people that have intimated that Rose B. Labianca was actually a drug dealer, and she was supposed to deliver LSD to Seattle Drive but didn't have the chance And this is why Tex was angered and decided to take his wrath out on her. This may well be true, she's certainly wealthier than Abigail Folger. Abigail Folger was the heiress to the Folger Coffee Company so she was a socialite So if this random woman who ran a dress shop is somehow wealthier than this socialite something weird is going on there basically

59:33 One thing that's strange is the main beneficiary of the murders who got between, what was debated as most you've got 200 thousand or 2 million. I think the actual real number lies somewhere in the middle was the daughter of Rosemary Lavianca after the death of her she inherited all this money but Rosemarie had squirreled away years later Susan Struthers who was a daughter of Rosemary Lavianca Return to the polls name and started trying to please. Texas release from prison only later was it like you were she was, i need a transparency text with friends before that is what she actually used to live almost next door tax lease to knock around his friends

1:00:22 I'm so sorry new boyfriend of my god joe dorgan who was a straight satan motorcycle gang member and they were also connected. With the various activities of manson in america great was knocking around here is there any possibility that basically Tex had somehow arranged to do this with Susan, but also the evidence looks like the Labiancas were sort of kind of tricked into it. Basically they did... It was almost like a sort of fake burglary where they felt that they were going to get all this money that was gonna get robbed from wherever They were gonna get cut of it which would go towards helping his gambling debts and such like that But in the end they would double-cross by Tex and Susan ended up murdering them

1:01:09 I know it's a bit strange and convoluted, by no means proven that but to my mind i think that is the most realistic way that actually happened. Yeah, I mean i think it makes a lot of sense and I really appreciate you breaking down that complex narrative but that pretty much brings us to the finish line Neil. Always good to stay vigilant and aware. I really appreciate the work you do tell people one more time where they can get your books and follow up on your work if they need more Neil Sanders Thank-you very much my books are available from neilsandersmindcontrol.com or they're all available on Kindle as well

1:01:47 and also from richplanet.net If you want to get a hold of me, you can email me through the website or you can find me on Facebook I know i hate it because im like a right hypocrite now but its a useful platform for contacting people and stuff like that so thats pretty much it thank you very much for having me on Greg its always a massive pleasure and thrill to be on so thank you very much and thanks everyone for listening You got it, man. Awesome stuff! Thanks again and do take care of yourself out there Alright alright alright people Hell of a show Neil Sanders hell of a guest And I'm glad that i could get him back on because its been a long long time It was just that fact and knowing how much work he's done on sex rings and pedophiles and mind control and Hollywood That made me pursue it

1:02:39 And he just so happened to have a new book out about the Manson murders, so it worked out really well. Win-win! Personally I think that first 20 minutes is really worth revisiting because Neil drops a ton of names and connections My special lady was listening to it and it sent her down a huge rabbit hole of interweaving connections that will make your skin crawl In fact we did a lot of the work for you because if you just go through the show notes there's a lot of those links right there And I struggled to find a good title for this episode because i really wanted something about data in it just because it's such an underrepresented aspect of the modern digital age and it is pretty scary. And those parts of this interview went by so fast but they are worth

1:03:25 really considering. I mean, even Roomba is apparently mapping people's floor plans and selling that data? Every goddamn thing is data and it's only going to get more refined and better at manipulating us on an individual catered level And that's why I think net neutrality is just a bit humorous. All the major companies put what they want you to see in front of you and subtly make it slightly more difficult to get the things outside their preferred content 90% of web traffic is like, what? 5 websites and now people wanna protest net neutrality?! I don't know...I just think if everybody's paying attention to something You really should look a little deeper because we are such sheep and these games are never what they seem

1:04:10 I don't know, i just think it's an arbitrary buzzword and a bit of red herring. And im not saying the internet can't get worse but this thing is designed as a militarized network from the ground up its a bit silly to expect it care about who has rights to what! But Neil brought some great points in that regard and really could have been a full show on its own Of course, the bulk of the conversation is a walkthrough of Neal's examination of the Manson murders and all the holes in the story. Another thing that wife was looking into like one thing I asked about in The Plus Show was this claim that Jack Nicholson was one of the cleaners of the Tate murder scene and apparently that's pretty well established but what I also learned

1:04:53 Of course these murders were at Roman Polanski's house, who famously fled the country over the allegations of having sex with an underage girl. Well do you know where this allegedly took place? Jack Nicholson's house So apparently they were pretty friendly I also think it is just too suspicious that Roman Polanski was out of the country when his wife was killed at home That it like textbook It's awfully convenient And I know Neil knows this and he doesn't find it suspicious but I'm just saying Neil is right though, so much doesn't add up about the official story and how funny that there's an inner earth aspect to Helter Skelter I really did not know that. The idea that they were looking for a bottomless pit of hopi legend? A tunnel to somewhere inside that's habitable you know i love that even if it is just the fantasy overlay

1:05:42 I suppose it's a little deflating to think the mind control and ritual aspects are overblown, but Neil has done a lot of work on these subjects before so i don't see him being afraid to go there if that is where the clues lead. Regardless, I don't think we've ever really focused on The Manson Saga for a Hireside Chats episode... now we can say we have because it is an interesting tale and does give us a glimpse into Hollywood underground and also timely given his recent passing So another one in the can. Of course, in the second hour we got just a lot deeper into Neil's Manson research like I had mentioned we talked about the details surrounding Jack Nicholson as one of the Tate murder cleaners homemade celebrity porn that was found at the Polanski home and then randomly I asked him about these snuff film allegations against Hunter S Thompson We got into the Manson crew's operation stripping down cars in the desert and why Neil would find that telling

1:06:39 And of course, the net neutrality fallacy. The internet is a deep state surveillance and data collection machine Remember that when you start talking about your online rights and freedoms I've been kind of having these thoughts and just reading what Gordon writes on RuneSoup has totally confirmed the way i feel And we capped this Plus show off talking about artists and just the churn-and-burn culture of the digital age. Do sign up for THC+, if you like the show, just treat yourself to a nice end-of-year gift You can also sign up through Patreon if that's your jam or just pick up a T-shirt at TheHigherSideClothing.com If you're into these subjects I find it really hard to believe that you wouldn't like at least one shirt on that site

1:07:23 And of course you could just share these episodes. That would help me, thank the guests for their appearance I'd be really thankful for any of those things So three more shows to close out this year two return guests and a new but awesome one I think you're gonna be pretty satisfied That's it from me today Your move mafia meddlers darkness peddlers of the elite underground and deep level data mining cabals of the digital age your fucking move You know the plan has always been to hack your brain MKUltra's trying to drive you insane They'll explode your heart if they think that's what it takes You think I'm answering the phone, well I ain't You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking you're at home Well you're not! You should tape the mail slot

1:08:19 And baby if I seem withdrawn, let me say it's cause' I just don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that the trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just a game plan. It's what the world has become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know You're better keeping on your own cause you can see The masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself I hope you know the elite aren't your friends

1:09:11 They'll suck out everything from you in the end And if for some reason you think I might be wrong, I wonder where you got that opinion from You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking your at home Well your not! You should tape the mail slot And baby if I seem withdrawn, let me say it's cause' I just don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that the trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just a game plan. It's what the world has become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know

1:10:02 You're better keeping on your own cause you can see The masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself Da da da da da da da Da da da da da da da Da da da da da da da Da da da da You might think that these problems are small Or maybe they aren't registering at all Now they know you're naive and vulnerable You won't believe all of the stunts that they'll pull

1:11:02 Cause you can see the masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It isn't You can only trust yourself Cause you can see the masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself