Mike Winner | Alfa Vedic, QORTAL, & The Parallel Society Path

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00:54 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation. I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Well, this is the way higher side chatters coming in hot from sunny San Diego and looking to help you solve even a fraction of life's wide range of problems. I'm Greg Carlwood and sometimes I think that although there are many ideas and options we'd like to explore deep down, we know that the big machine keeps marching on and the thing that will really make us happy and healthy is distance

01:43 The pollution-coated, 5G filled constantly surveilled digital dystopian smart cities are just not going to do it. And as much as they try and push us towards them and shove the teat of totalitarian system dependence down our throats...we know these places are an archonic paradise not a human one! But what if instead we utilized all we've heard about permaculture, biodynamics, symbiosis, good water, forest bathing, engaging with the earth, independence and self-sufficiency? Folded in the aspects of modern technology we decided could serve our lifestyles and built the reality we often dream of during corporate Zoom meetings, pep talks or highway traffic.

02:22 Well, that dream is largely the reality of today's guest Mike Winner who lives nestled among old-growth redwoods in the pure pristine waters of the Smith River deep in the Pacific Northwest on the off-grid Alpha Vedic farm under the tutelage of The Great Bear Lando. Whom we spoke with just a few months ago back in May and together they run Alphavedic.com and host The AlphaCast Podcast He's also on the team of a forward-thinking new project dedicated to building a blockchain based community driven decentralized internet infrastructure of the future known as Cordel. But that's not all folks, he is also one of founders of Music in Sky, A private wellness and entertainment gathering for families in the magical setting of the California Sierras

03:06 A jack of many trades folding the new in with the old and living the solar punk dream, The dedicated decentralized holistic homesteader and permaculture podcaster Mike Winner. Welcome to The Higher Side! Greg that was awesome man always love your intros brother and just so honored to be here with you man Right on yes i try and it is definitely a pleasure i am a huge fan of the alpha cast you guys really go deep on a lot of themes that are important to me, a modern nature based spirituality secret science bio terrain theory the work of guys like rudolf steiner will have right.

03:43 and all sorts of other good stuff. Plus the surroundings of the Alpha Vedic farm sound really refreshing, and maybe we can start there because I know there's a ton to talk about but for people who don't know much about what you got going on up there talk to us a little bit about the Alpha Vedic farm, the techniques you guys use to keep things at a high level, and some of the philosophy behind it all Yeah, thanks for that. Really quite fortunate to be living here as I say on the podcast, I wake up every morning and kiss the ground Greg. I moved my family up here from Redondo Beach California kind of down by where you're at actually grew up in SoCal in Orange County

04:22 And then the day before Trump came in the office, it just kind of happened to be when we closed on our house and moved up here. I moved my entire family up from Los Angeles area to this very remote piece of California where—and actually in Del Norte County—we call it The Great State Of Jefferson which is really more of a mindset than anything but it's funny most people in California don't even know this county exists and we kinda like it like that So it's a great place. Yes, we are very close to where they shot Return of the Jedi and E.T., among some other films, so we're only about 25 miles from the coast but we're just inland enough to where we're not really hit by the coastal inversion So we have this like perfect microclimate for growing the herbs that we grow on the farm with our main crop Jiao Gu Lan, the tea of immortality which Dr. Bear Lando is a master at growing outside of Asia

05:22 And that's kind of one of our premium, premier adaptogens that we grow biodynamically on the farm using the beautiful waters from the Smith River which is the only undammed river in California and one of the purest rivers really in North America. So that was really what drew me here, not only the remoteness—getting away from the big cities—but also being on a body of water or on a water flow that is that special and pure. Because a lot of times what we talk about on AlphaCast is the importance of water and how we really don't even understand what water is in many respects in terms of mainstream science

06:05 Engaging with the river every day, my soul is lifted and we drink from it. We bathe in it and we use it to water our crops so Yeah, it's a magical place and somewhere we would love for you to visit sometime. I appreciate that! I would love to and the river was definitely one of those things i wanted to make sure we highlighted because I loved the Pacific Northwest and areas like Colorado probably more than any other natural landscape And I'm down here at the end of the completely compromised Colorado River but

06:41 The pictures I've seen of the Smith River, they do look great. As you see on the site it is known as one of the cleanest rivers in North America and water is super important You actually did a really interesting podcast recently with a woman named Veda Austin, a water researcher and water photographer. And you guys talked about the Victor Schauberger story where he would discuss the fact that he could meditate near the river and get into this weird state where the water would carry his consciousness off. Then he'd snap back into it with a knowledge download from the river

07:20 And I just find that story really provocative. Obviously it fueled him to go deeper into water and Veda's work sounded really interesting too. I'm curious how you guys do optimize water there? Seems like you already got a good base level, but do you drink at vortex or implement any other water related optimization techniques? Yeah, great question. That's really Dr Lando's forte and where his specialty lies so we pull the water out of the river the farm is off grid so it's our main source of water besides some rain catchment

07:57 And that has been Vortex, correct. And used not only through the Vortex brewer for the compost teas and things that he makes but also used for his Ormus and things we create for our products. In doing so, we are pulling from pure natural consciousness of a structured likeness that is really representative of the actual... I guess you could call it the Gaia Consciousness and this water is extremely structured because of the way it flows through the bedrock and out through springs. It's a spring-driven river, so it is very important for how we grow but also internally for our internal milieu of our terrain because we are terrain specialists—and we could talk a little bit about that today Greg—but how important it is to be taking in structured water. One thing that I like to do

08:53 What I'll do is, I'l take the structured water from- well i'll take the Smith River water and then actually have my own little vortex brewer in the kitchen here. And then I will put some of our zero point in and that's like my morning breakfast really. Then of course the other thing that Bear and I are big fans of are the Wim Hof style ice water dips, especially this time of year. So I will go down to the river—I have a little pool eddy that I go into and do three minutes. I do my breath work then I sit in for three minutes and unlike an ice bath which is more traditional Wim Hof method...and I'm sure many of your listeners are familiar with the Wim Hof method which is the idea of cold submersion with breathwork

09:40 most people will do an ice bath where they submerge themselves in oftentimes, God forbid tap water with ice. And so I feel like by doing this in a flowing alive river especially something as pure as the Smith River or what we really should call the Hiauchi River which is the Native American indigenous name for it there's an information flow coming through information fields that Dr Lando would explain much better than I in terms of the waveform mechanics of it but My cells, my structured water in my cells are talking with the river and getting information. This is actually what we talked about a bit with Veda why animals dogs for instance will naturally prefer going out and I don't know if you have a dog Greg but if you notice after rain

10:26 My dog loves to go drink the water out of a dirty puddle. Well, actually prefer to do that than drink out of her own bowl in the house and that's because there are actual information fields attached to that structured water and what is exciting about this idea is what we kind of postulated with the VEDA podcast is that could very well be the future of communication I believe actually ancient cultures and technologies used water structured to actually communicate with each other across long distances through a more fractal holographic form of communication that is actually more natural for humans than what we're currently doing in the simulacrum of digital ones and zeros. Cheers to that, yeah I agree water is definitely fascinating We know it can carry information so in the natural context and holistic system why wouldn't be a major component of it

11:23 Overlooking in modern times. But I did want to talk about your store a little bit because you mentioned the tea of immortality. That was something that I was planning on asking you about because that's a very provocative name, but you also sell a lot of things broken up by the benefit people are looking for from relaxing to longevity and I'm probably most interested in the energy and think categories to counterbalance my stoner tendencies cause I can't stop Mike! Tell us about some of these things like Primal Essence Chaga Coffee, Illuminated Gold Superconductive Minerals and Gaiasha Chai. Well so yeah I'm with you man iIm a fan of the Sativa personally because I like to go-go-go but yes in terms of the ability to... And I'm not a fan of like that quote unquote biohacking

12:18 concepts, right? We're not really doing that. We're just working with Mother Nature in how she was designed to help us out so everything we do is naturally derived from herbs botanicals, we don't really get into the nootropic space or any of that. Everything is all from Mother Nature herself and luckily we have Berlando the master alchemist and herbalist who really is the formulator so this all comes from his genius mind of 40 years experience as not only a biodynamic farmer but of course a bio terrain specialist where he has applied

12:56 different recipes, if you will within his own practice and seeing the results. So this is all results driven empirically satisfied product line that's like I said 30-35 40 years in development But yeah, in terms of the products I can give you a little recommendation Greg to help you out. One of my favorite go-to booster thinking tonics that we have is actually our Gua Yu Sa Thermogenic. And Guayusa, if you're not familiar with that is kind of like an herba mate. It comes down from Ecuador that we have a partnership with a company called Runa down there and you may have seen the Runa drinks in your local health store they're pretty popular now they're in like Whole Foods and stuff. Channing Tatum actually it's his company he works with the indigenous people down there and basically allows them to run the business. They have equity in the business

13:54 so it's done in the right way. It's a less bitter, more smooth energetic than mate and I really love it and it's actually what Bear Lando is a big fan of. We blend that with our Jiao Gu Lan which is one of the best adaptogens in the world called The Tea Of Immortality for a reason. Then the secret Gregg is to blend it with coconut oil or raw butter this has been made very trendy with the bulletproof trend, which good old Dave Asprey took to the mainstream. But this is a thousands-year-old technology that the monks of Tibet have been using with yak butter forever and all you're doing is taking the caffeine and blending it and essentially encapsulating in fat lipid

14:45 to allow for a slower release, a slower burn of the caffeine so you don't get that peak, that boost of caffeine and then the crash. So it's a wonderful way to extend the beautiful effects of caffeine and I know in the health world there is a lot of controversy about caffeine A lot of people have been bashing my wonderful coffee of late, saying that it's about as bad as sugar. Just like anything if you approach these things in a way that fits your lifestyle in a responsible grown-up way and you do it in the most appropriate way for you I feel like we can use these things to our benefit and so with our coffee

15:27 The reason why we have Chaga and He Shi Wu in there is because they actually help with the adrenal fatigue that you get from caffeine. So not only by encapsulating it in the lipid layer, which I prefer organic coconut oil and not the MCT oil that the Bulletproof folks push once again, we're all about naturally derived... Everything should come from Mother Nature So, why do we need to break apart the pieces? That's the reductionist model where we've gone wrong with allopathic medicine. Let's use what Mother Nature gives us in its entirety because all aspects of the coconut are important." You take the coconut oil and you blend that and then with the chaga mushroom and the hee-shee-woo those are very important tonic

16:11 herbs that help revitalize the adrenal glands so that you're not getting that taxation you would get with a typical cup of joe. I like it. That's a hell of a pitch, I'm going to check that out." So I am a coffee guy Gregg. I've always have been so like my morning routine once again is I do that Smith River water tonic with fresh squeezed organic lemon our zero point...I blend all our zero points together and so our zero point liquids are amazing they're a liquid fulvic humic base so if you've ever heard of SheLegit I know its become quite trendy in the alternative health space

16:49 That is basically your humic, your fulvic minerals that are naturally... Basically over thousands of years all of your base minerals in a natural source on the tops of the Himalaya mountains. We actually get them in the United States in a very secret location, very pure pristine location And then what we do is though, we put those within a transitional element base. So we actually have them alchemically optimized so that they're vibrating at a more ceramic level not a metallic level which just basically means for your cellular matrix you can saturate your cellular matrix better than traditional even liquid vitamins

17:33 Once again, this is Dr. Bear Lando's expertise more than I but ever since i've been taking these for about 10 years my energy Is off the hook so I must say this stuff works dude right on right on wow well In terms of the farm, to help people maybe get a better mental picture of the space. How large is it? How many people really live there? Is it just your family and Dr. Lando's? Yeah so actually It's kind of unique and interesting I don't live on the farm. I live in a little town right over the other side of the mountains. I'm on grid because as a technologist

18:15 living off a satellite internet is just too difficult at this time. So I'm fortunate to live in a 700 person little town that has a post office and a little corner market on the middle fork of the Smith River, and then the farm itself as the crow flies is only about 25 not even that maybe 15 miles away but due to kind of the rocky terrain and landscape here. It's about a 45 minute to an hour drive, and they're on the South Fork of the Smith River nestled in an off-grid community. And there it's Dr Landona's wife. Then we do have our good friend Shannon who lives on that property now, she is a caretaker. Then we have people from the Alpha Beta community that come up and volunteer throughout the season. It is a permaculture farm which means

19:07 It's built out in phases and in zones. And it's actually the core space of the farm is only a few acres as of now, which is actually a lot of growing to be done in just a few acres but the overall goal if you understand permaculture, it's all about human design and phasing things out in stages. So it's all zoned out appropriately according to how you develop that design. Right now we have completed pretty much zone one, which is about an acre-and-a-half And that is primarily our Jalgoo lawn, which are trellised under the shade of the conifers. We have a lot of dough furs and pine trees that surround the property and we integrate it right into nature. So as a permaculture farm is not your traditional monocropping. It's very unique in terms of design and everything is also geometrically designed to kind of mirror nature

20:07 cosmic design, which Dr. Lando is a genius at so we use a lot of geometry and also symmetry with how We basically take guilds, which are how different plants can work together and help each other out. So for instance we'll have fruit trees with ashwagandha around it and then nestled in between there certain herbs and they all feed off each other and work together harmoniously Bear is also a master at soil science, so he does all sorts of different electrical polarization and different things he does with the soil to ensure optimum growth. So it really is like going into a magical garden. It's really more like a botanical garden than a farm when you go and when you do visit Greg I cannot wait to take you on the tour because it really is like going to Disneyland.

21:04 It's really impressive sounding man I mean cuz i had all these conversations with all kinds of really bright minds and the information just really doesn't go anywhere but it's cool to know there is a place where you are layering what we know about sacred geometry and energetics and cymatics and alchemy and biodynamics even just good soil health as you say Efficiency and symbiosis, it should be the goal but you just don't see it. It's pretty rare Well, one thing that Bayer talks about a lot is physicians back in the day even pre-Renaissance what some call the Dark Ages but really I'm coming to find it Greg that they might have been one of the highlights of our recent civilization if you start to uncover things like Tartaria and all these lost technologies that are really analog in nature. And we really try to embrace that so like recently I installed some Rykean

22:03 Earth pipes and we're doing different kind of tower buster type technologies. We integrate all sorts of different, like you said, sacred geometry patterning. And then of course biogeometry is a huge influence on Bear and I so yes the true alchemical sciences which are coming back and that's something that i'm really getting excited about as a technologist. I believe that we are now moving more towards that and things like blockchain and bitcoin things we can talk about in a bit are going to be a stepping stone towards that.

22:51 And this is one of the main catalysts for us getting together and we want to get it in this first hour. I think a lot of our guests here oftentimes present a negative view of blockchain technology, I understand things like controllable central bank digital cryptocurrencies and putting health records on the blockchain and the symbolic resonance of terms like crypto and blockchain but I engage with crypto quite a bit and it is the second best thing I've ever gotten involved with next to this podcast. There's really impressive stuff going on in the DeFi, staking yield farming space. Basically taking all the money tricks the banks have used for a long long time and democratizing them with super insane interest yields you could have an interest-bearing crypto bank account for example right now with like 50% APY returns or more And that's just a little

23:48 Preface for people who don't know that little secret because it's an aspect of my life. It so rarely gets voiced on this show But I do see both sides of it, and like most things that start to become tools for freedom the system co-ops them. And crypto will probably be a mixed bag just like everything just like the internet itself and we're also not going to stop it so we should probably support the projects that will move the needle in the altruistic direction. With that said tell us about Cordell Haha, that's beautiful man. You get it! It's a tool. Technology is a tool and we live in a dualistic reality and so it can go either way right? And really

24:32 One thing that we're looking at in terms of crypto is humankind, mankind likes to mess things up. And when you read the Bitcoin white paper Satoshi Nakamoto put forth in 2009 which was the catalyst for it all you can see the purity and the mindset that that came out of, which was really to disrupt centralization, disrupt the eons-old manipulation of man through economics, through scarcity, through money. And really what we're looking at here—and this is my kind of theory on where we need to go and why we're suffering

25:16 This relates to everything right now, Greg. The global health whatever you want to call it — pandemic, scandemic, pandemic — whatever your thoughts are on that, the inequity of the world, political strife and social strife all come from one singular place. I used to think that was debt—the debt-based system we're in—but actually debt is just an after effect part of the mechanation of something greater, which is really the lack of trust and transparency humankind has with each other, with our institutions.

25:54 and with how we interact with basically all humans, interspecies relations. We don't have trust! And that has to do with a lot of things but mainly it comes down to consciousness and the human condition is based upon lack of trust in transparency certain actors whether they be archonically controlled or the minions of Eremon they're going to take advantage of this Basically a debt based system and when we have a debt based system because we are unable to trust our neighbor. Because were afraid of bad actors.

26:33 We buy into this using credit and using debt. And it's really easy to go for this because look at the debt bubble we're in now! I mean, if you look at the last 50-60 years many Keynesian economics professors etc will say that we've now enjoyed the greatest civilization success in a history of mankind Look at all the growth but to what cost? I often relate this to health and to the allopathic model. The allopathic proponents will say we have been able to basically vanquish all disease, but at what cost? We have chronic illness at an all-time high. We have depression in all time high obesity—all these things that I know some of those play into more the cultural aspects of humanity and the big corporations etc., but with any Ponzi scheme it can always look really wonderful

27:28 on the top layer but when you start to dig a little deeper, you realize how much trouble we're in. And obviously what we're facing right now is a debt crisis beyond measure And it's really tough, right? Like it's going to be really tough to try and fix this. It's essentially what most honest people looking at this are seeing now is there was really only a few ways out. One is complete and total collapse into like a Mad Max world. Two, complete technocracy because that's how they push the debt bubble along as more centralization, more control, more statism So they're doing that, of course through technology and through the technocracy. But I think the third way out is

28:12 through a holistic model of kind of slowly moving into a parallel system. And that's where we can talk about Bitcoin and what Cordell is looking to do as well, but real quick on the technocracy side one thing we have to remember too is that technology itself is deflationary in nature. We must understand that it's extremely important aspect to this all due to Moore's law and the network effect and game theory and all these wonderful aspects of technology It is essentially always rapidly improving and getting more efficient, and making our lives easier. So if we can maintain a decentralized holistic kind of connection to it, it can allow us to free up our time—and not that I'm saying that this is some sort of utopian ideal here of technology saving us, not at all—but it is a tool and it can allow us

29:09 to places, as long as we do it in the right way, to allow us to be more free and allow us to engage economically in a more deflationary way. Which is extremely important because that is the opposite of what we're dealing with right now in terms of how we relate to debt and with inflation—and right now really stagflation—is what we're looking at. So important to remember that technology itself is deflationary. An example of that would be what we're doing right now 10, 15 years ago to be able to put out content like this. We would have had to probably meet in person and record it I would have had to pay for a flight fly down to San Diego

29:49 You would have had expensive recording equipment. We would have then had to save that to tape, we would've had a transfer of that and then people would be able to be a member where they literally have it delivered in the mail. So now this is essentially free so that is an important aspect of technology we need to remember and it's something It excites me every day I wake up because, like I said earlier this technology is just the very beginning. It's like the caveman version of where we're going to go in terms of our own inert technologies within us and yeah Greg i really want to get into this idea of... This is gonna- This is the perfect place to talk about this Hiresight Chats because this gets trippy Let me give you my little download I've gotten recently

30:39 So remember how I said that the biggest problem we have in terms of why we're in a debt system is because of lack of trust and lack of transparency. And we'll get into how crypto will be the first phase, and specifically Bitcoin projects like Cordell will help us get there but the end result...I truly believe—and this goes into Steiner, into The Mystics and stuff—is that We are going to go back to being psychic connected people like we were maybe in the times of Lemuria. And when we get there, we're basically living on a blockchain in the sense of complete transparency and truth! In doing that, the idea of money will cease to need to exist because we will be basically living according to law, according to virtue. We will know who is unvirtuous who is not to trust...we won't need money anymore

31:30 And in doing that, our entire relationship with currency and with how economics work will be so drastically different that those in power won't be in power anymore. I'm not saying this is a utopian paradise but it will be a whole new idea of how we interact and how we engage and how we live in a much more harmonious virtuous way Hmm. I like it! It's like the blockchain digital ledger is a sort of training wheel to get us back to that psychic space Exactly, and that's you really said the right word. Ledger because really that's all we need a transparent ledger that we know is immutable That we know were on agreement with...that's money! I mean that really is so what is money? Money is the I guess the quantification of time right The idea that when you put forth time into a specific task or creative endeavor

32:31 you get a representation of that, that you can then use in the future to represent that time. And if you have the right kind of money hopefully your time is actually increased and that you can get more time down the line. So, I... The idea right traditionally is that you work for 40 years so you get all your money saved so that you can then enjoy that time when you're retired That was kind of like the traditional 9 to 5 The American Dream of the 1950s right? Well i think that relationship has obviously been skewed and changed now where essentially that time has been stripped and stolen from us due to inflation which is really a secret hidden tax

33:09 But I also believe that we can do better. As inherent creative consciousness, our experience on this planet in relationship to time needs to be rethought and restructured and in doing so will our relationship with money. That's really what's exciting about blockchain is that we can start playing with this because we have the ability to relate different aspects of time and different aspects of our experience onto the blockchain, which is just an immutable transparent ledger. And so that's essentially what proof-of-work does it immutably sets transactions in time

33:51 And so in doing that, it's phase one. It's phase one of us moving towards this far off ideal of us all being psychic and being transparent and virtuous in our relations and essentially living like the Essenes did thousands of years ago where they didn't have money but they still had possession! They were able to relate and do commerce and it was all based on mutual respect by the law So, yeah. Very exciting times and the one thing I will say about crypto is probably about 95% of it is tainted. It's centralized. It's been manipulated and controlled. And it's going to be very interesting to see where it goes in the next few years on if we are going to see a bit of a collapse or if we're gonna be able to kind of get through that and move towards these higher ideals? I don't know! I'm not a huge fan of projects like Ethereum and Cardano because

34:41 They're centralized and they came from a place of centralization from the get-go with the idea of an initial coin offering, essentially Fiat 2.0 where you have the progenitors pre minting, pre mining the coin having control of it and then having a staking model were based upon whoever has more shekels will have more control of the consensus I think that's man messing it up Messing up the original vision of Satoshi So with Cordell What we're trying to do is we're trying to go back to Satoshi's. Satoshi's vision of having a truly decentralized mechanism to allow for a new internet. We're happy with Bitcoin, we think Bitcoin is doing a pretty good job even though BTC as-is is not the original Bitcoin. We know in 2017 was segregated witness it forked off and became something kind of different. The Bitcoin core team is a corporation running the Bitcoin protocol and there are concerns with that but still I guess you could call me not a bitcoin maximalist but a bitcoin idealist and I do support this

35:43 support that blockchain immensely and most of my portfolio is BTC. But with Cordel, what we're looking to do is really reimagine what the internet is and so it's a completely different beast we're not competing with Bitcoin We see Bitcoin as a friend With Cordel What we're looking to do is provide 10x value to the Internet And thus allow for new adoption on a decentralized more human-friendly version of what the internet can be And in doing that, we're bringing decentralization the trustless nature the universal nature of blockchain and with things like community collaboration cooperation and abundance. So yeah let me know what questions do you have about Cordell it's a very deep subject there's a lot to it and I'm happy to discuss any aspects of it for sure for sure

36:37 And yeah, I definitely think that a lot of times with crypto conversations they can get too fundamental like what is the blockchain and all this kind of stuff. There's so much out there that if people need to be brought up to speed go bring yourself up to speed but one aspect of this protocol that i think it's interesting maybe a lot of people haven't heard about heard elaborated on would be proof of time or this minting aspect as compared to proof of work, which Bitcoin uses. Or proof-of-stake which is being considered the next big thing help people understand these mechanisms and what Cordell does differently and almost uniquely because I don't think I've heard of another proof of time project

37:22 Yeah, so Cordel in itself is its own blockchain. It was developed from the ground up it's been about six years in the making really kind of the original ethics and momentum of Bitcoin came out of the cypherpunk mentality right from the 80s and 90s I always think that movie like hacker or whatever from the nineties you know like guys on rollerblades wearing neon but Yeah, it was really these underground cypherpunks who saw that the Bitcoin model of proof-of-work while ingenious on so many ways and really we are fans of bitcoin because the proof-of-work model is important to understand. And really the proof-of-work model is based on traditional classic economics of supply and demand and based on the idea of computers competing against each other

38:09 to solve complex problems based on a specific difficulty setting, to allow for a completely transparent and decentralized mechanism of maintaining truth on a digital network—what we call blockchain. An extremely important innovation and something that I think will be like the printing press used for hundreds if not thousands of years. There are limitations though to proof-of-work in terms the egalitarian nature of it because it does tend to centralize, because in the end there is a race for computing power. And the race for computing power essentially means those who can afford to buy the best computers and those who can team up and create the biggest mining systems will thus have more what they call hashing power which will give you more power on the Bitcoin or whatever proof-of-work blockchain

39:03 And the other thing too about Bitcoin is it's based on a scarcity model, which is fine for the mechanism of what it's turned into. deflationary or having a deflationary economic model for basically digital gold, right? Having a savings account. It makes a lot of sense. However like any technology there are other variants and uses that can be ascertained out of the blockchain model and one thing that we saw a problem with Bitcoin for what we're trying to tackle which is creating a new hosting paradigm

39:43 is that it really needs to be as egalitarian as possible. We want the network to be as decentralized and run by every single individual in the world if we really want to create a new internet, which originally that's what the internet was before the Internet Service Providers came about—the CompuServes and AOLs The nerds of the world would connect person to person on the internet. You'd plug in your phone modem and dial in, go onto one of those old boards and forums and interact person-to-person through your connection And we wanted to get back to that. So in order to do that, we need an economic model that incentivizes and is as completely universal and fair as possible." We were thinking well what would be the value metric for that? What is something everybody has access to? In a human condition what is the thing everyone can relate to and everyone has access too? That of course is time! We're all here for a certain amount of time right nobody gets out alive

40:40 So by figuring out a way to not only create an egalitarian model where everybody shares a piece of the pie, but also based upon something that everybody has access to we're able to come up with minting which essentially is our own consensus model basically just tracks the amount of time that you are running your own node supporting the network. So simple! Think of it as like a BitTorrent, right? A BitTorrent traditionally... You put the software on your computer and you start essentially supporting bits of everybody's data That's all essentially we're doing but with a blockchain attached And the blockchain allows for the universal transparent ledger

41:24 built in time, just like the Bitcoin blockchain. However, the difference being that unlike proof of work where you're competing with computers to get the prize right? The coin when you quote unquote win a block this is just everybody's pulling in all together we're all in this together were collaborating together and every minute we have minute blocks everybody shares a piece of the pie so everybody at every minute based upon how many users there are how many full nodes are running There is a specific block reward that comes out and gets split across the entire board. So, what we did is we essentially were able to... One of the big problems with Bitcoin is the Bitcoin mining pools that have taken over where they are taking everyone's little bit of hashing power and spreading the block reward amongst pool members. We said well, we'll just make one big pool and then everybody shares. And then of course, we do have a leveling system which we can talk about which gives us a sense of authority based upon how much time and how much basically you've given time-wise to the network

42:26 And that allows for not only further rewards, but also voting and opens up a whole amazing opportunity for us to be agile and creative in the ways that we can upgrade the system depending on what trials and tribulations come ahead. So unlike Bitcoin that relies upon the miners to make these decisions on the future of the protocol this is actually done through a much more egalitarian voting method that still also does honor those leaders who started it, the elders if you will who are higher levels based upon the amount of time they put in it. So it's not just pure democracy mob rule. It's based kind of more on a model of republic if you will where those who have put more time that are more knowledgeable have a little bit more weight on the voting so that in essence is kind of what we developed there's a lot more to it but

43:21 It's fun. Anybody can jump in right now and once you've proven yourself over 7,200 blocks or that's about five days of running the blockchain you get sponsored by someone who is level 5 or above it's kind of a little protection mechanism so you need to find an elder who will allow you to come into the tribe It's very easy to do. Basically, you just prove you're a real human being and that you want to be apart and then you run the node for 7200 blocks and then hit level 1. Then every minute you start earning coins! You can take part in the beautiful thing that is Cordal.

43:57 Yes, yes. That is a great summary and of course it's not all about getting rich but when someone mines Bitcoin they're in it for the reward which is that token and Quartle uses the quart token I know your liquidity pairs right now are Litecoin and Doge and quarte trades at about $1.46 according to your decentralized exchange platform and you have people running their nodes in building up 30 40 even a hundred thousand court not that this is just about money but that sounds like real money man and I'm still trying to work out how this all would play out for a newbie because it seems like level one would receive 5% of the block rewards. And you said

44:52 7200 blocks takes about five days. So dividing that down, it's like 1440 a day. Uh, it just starts to get kind of complicated but I was unsure how much court is distributed per block and just what sort of court yield would a level one person see in say a 30 day period just for running a node on their PC consistently? Yeah, that's a great question. And of course there are a lot of factors at play because it depends on how many nodes are running at the same time and this is really built upon the network effect. So the beauty of the abundance model or sharing model is that ideally here...and another note you kind of mentioned briefly Gregg is we're not on any centralized exchanges

45:41 The only way that you can get into Cordel is either by minting or by coming in with currently Doge or Litecoin. We will be adding other projects that we see are decentralized enough to bring in, so RavenCoin, Digibyte... Our other partner that we really align with is Pirate Chain if you're familiar with them which is a wonderful privacy coin and so we are working Monero and Pirate Chain to bring them in to give some privacy options as well. But yeah, if you go to the Cordal wiki it has all that information. You can look at the reward structure and how that works now. Cordal has been around we've been

46:26 We will be going on a year and half, two years now almost of running the blockchain. And the founders we did not pre-mine anything there was no pre minting you basically started day one and those who are running nodes were getting a bigger piece of the pie because they were early adopters so that's why you're seeing some of those larger coin holders able to put those buys out in those cells out because were early on. But I want to be very clear, there was no pre-mine or anything. It's like a proof of work in the sense we had a Genesis block and then everybody was able to join the network and start sharing in their rewards every minute. But if you go to the Cordell wiki page and you look at the minting overview they have the block rewards and distribution laid out there

47:13 And so it does depend upon how many nodes are running and we're getting, you know we have more full nodes running on our network than Litecoin does now. Which is pretty fascinating considering how much of a legacy blockchain that is and kind of worrying if you start to think about in terms as something big as Litecoin but The way it works is like, and this is a great question. I'm probably not the best person to ask and I think I would love for you to have Jason Crow on. He's really the technologist and the person who really was like the guy who brought this all together with the coders. And he's much more knowledgeable about how those rewards would work in terms of practicalities but I would say at a month time considering my eight-year old is doing it

48:02 just from practicality, from what he's seen. He's earned only about I would say five or six coin court in that month time so it's not a ton however the idea here is with the network effect we're looking at... ideally what i'm looking at is court hitting going from $1.10 to exponential growth for the next year to hitting easily ten to fifteen dollars a coin by next summer I think with the way crypto is going, i wouldn't be surprised if it starts to hit a hundred dollars a coin within a little over a year with the way the model's working.

48:42 It's an amazing way to get in right now. We know how crypto works with how the centralized markets work, with the pump and dump schemes and all of those ploys. We've tried to stay out of that as much as we can. We're not into the casino crypto racket. We're really all about adoption or about utility. In the end, the cork coin is really just a utility coin It'll be used for the services. And then down the line, we will launch the ability to create assets so that those who want to develop new economic models and new kind of unique methodologies for how economies can work... We can do that all on Corridor. I know a lot of projects do this but if you wanted to put out the higher side chat coin, you could easily do that as an asset. Then it would still be based on the proof-of-time model

49:34 However, we will allow though down the line like for instance I'm working on a proof of experience model that would use the court sub-architecture in terms of the hosting and data hosting. as the substructure but then have a kind of different consensus algo on top of that in terms of an actual economic model built upon sharing experiences. So exciting stuff, really this will be the sub-level layer of data hosting and web hosting And one other thing that's really unique about Cordal too is you define your own name to your single public address. Now, you can create as many accounts as you want, as many addresses as you want but your one account... Basically there's one public address per account and then there you could register a name and that name will be individually unique on the blockchain. That is going to be the host names, the domain names of the future

50:32 So, very exciting because we are basically taking out the ICANN centralized model that we know during the Obama administration was given to the UN which is a huge choke point for the future for free speech on the traditional internet. Yes! Very exciting stuff probably a little dense for some people in this audience but it's a wide net of people that listen to this show and I'm sure some are onto this stuff you can be scared of it and skeptical of it, but this crypto thing is happening. And just like the internet happened if you had paid better attention to the first steps of that technology, you probably would be retired right now. I think the same can be said for crypto and not every project has a nefarious intention in fact most of them don't. The ones that have

51:24 kind of sketchy funding and get the most publicity, maybe do. But you can dig beyond those projects even the NFT space is very interesting The criticism of the NFT spaces Oh people are just paying $100,000 for a piece of digital art Well if you dig deeper that digital art actually gives you a ticket to a private community that does distribute a coin in most cases And that coin can then be converted to fiat. And so in some situations, owning this quote unquote piece of digital art actually is more like a money printer of digital currency and the reason why they're selling for $1 million is because they generate say

52:09 $2,000 a month. So if you have something that generates you two thousand dollars of income a month what price would you put on it? Because I'd probably say a pretty high price and that's the issue and and You mentioned the host names of the future and this is an area I wanted to talk to you about because i know it's in Cordell's Future Plans, implement web hosting. And there are a few projects trying to do this and its all very new but a decentralized internet is very important to someone who hosts a podcast like mine But the details are still pretty fuzzy

53:04 In some cases, would this still be able to use a .com URL? Could it still be a WordPress-based website? I mean, I've changed hosting providers several times over the years but what are the major differences in blockchain based hosting and how different it has to be. Does it plug into the conventional internet or is it really its own thing Yes, great question. And just as a side to your comment on the NFT space and everything — it's all about consensus — understanding what something of value is in a community. If everybody comes to consensus on something that's all money is. We came to consensus that gold had value because it was scarce and lasts forever so we use that as a foundational metric to underscore value of exchange

53:54 And the NFT space, people as long as it's transparent and truly decentralized and also immutable which is the beauty of blockchain then I don't really care. If people are coming to consensus that jelly beans digital jelly beans that are set in specific parameters by code and then are done in a way that are centralized and they're transparent once again and immutable then go for it! I also find it really exciting that this is being tied to hard assets like art, like Banksy's art. He's breaking that into pieces and people can own and have equity in through tokenization. So yes, there is so much exciting stuff in this space but I will stress it needs to be decentralized. Now that being said, in terms of your question about the hosting and the internet

54:44 We must be very clear here, blockchain is not ideal for handling large amounts of data. But blockchain is really good for keeping that transparent immutable ledger. And so if we do this in the right way, which I vision Cordell doing, I think we can really fix a lot of the problems we have with censorship with the problems with centralization of ISPs and... We'll get into ISPs in a second but in hosting companies and domain providers coming in, I have friends that had lost their websites because literally the hosting company didn't like what they were putting out there

55:23 How does this work with Cordel? Essentially, very similar to a BitTorrent where you will basically be able to run a node that will have ability to spread and share the bits of the data across the entire network. That is done not on a blockchain. That is done on a more traditional sort of technology that something like BitTorrent would use. However, the blockchain is extremely important because In essence, the time stamping, the authority, the name like we mentioned that is set in stone and basically provides authorship and authority and ownership in a way that is immutable transparent and decentralized. So it's kind of might be hard for some people to wrap their head around oh and also the economic model right? The ability to be able to make a living off it is important so

56:20 That being said, yes you will be able to patch in the legacy system. It's just a question of how centralized you want to play so with Cordel which we're only a month and half away from launching which is very exciting You'll be able to put on... Right now to run Cordel you have to install the Cordel node which is the core which is running the blockchain and then the user interface right? The software that allows you to interact with it without having no code Once you do that, in the user interface there will essentially be like a web browser. In that web browser you'll be able to browse everybody's websites that are hosted using the Cordel blockchain infrastructure That will be easily pull up on anyone's name so you can have higher side chats on the blockchain It'll be only higher side chats

57:12 and people can pull that up, we actually already have it built in. I think it's already been tested a WordPress importer so with the click of a button you can import your WordPress site and the HTML and CSS and JavaScript all the front end will be transferred over and interwoven into the Cordal data service and basically any basic HTML blog, any structure like that for phase one can be brought over fairly easily. If you want to then have a forwarding, a port forwarding or through your traditional domain you can do that. So because this is using the layer sockets of the internet You can actually use your traditional domain forward and even use it with a pretty domain. Someone could still go to highersidechats.com It'll then forward to the data layer of the Cordel network

58:12 you can have it so the user wouldn't even really know they were using Cordel. Now that is a centralized mechanism you are using to allow for users to easily access it, but that's totally doable right out of the gate! So yes answer your question... You can use kind of legacy systems with Cordel to have still a decentralized back-end but allow for the newbie to engage without much technological discovery Right on, right on. Well that's a great explanation it is important to shore up our game if we want to avoid the censorship crackdown but then also we need good usability for people who aren't so technical So that's the beautiful thing I love it and

58:59 Man, we have just covered a lot and I had a good time doing it. We know we can't get honest answers from the enslavement system so we have to talk these things out ourselves with the people who have a knack for them So I appreciate the insights Maybe we should close with a bit about music in sky or any of the other irons in the Mike Winter fire Tell them what they should know about following up on the things you have going on Yeah, thanks Greg. So when 2020 hit hard and we were told we are not allowed to meet in person or enjoy life anymore one thing a lot of people don't know about me is I've been an underground house DJ going on 20 years And it's my favorite thing to do in the world. I used play raves and actually down in San Diego I used to play at off-Broadway? I think it's called Off Broadway or On Broadway It was a big nightclub down there in the Gaslamp District

59:51 When that was happening i was like my friends hit me up were like we're gonna put on an event. and we're going to buck the trend. We're going to do it in Joshua Tree, and we want it all holistic health-minded but kind of got that underground house music thing going but we're gonna do it." And people thought we were crazy when we called it Music In Sky. It was actually kind of an offshoot from a Burning Man decompression party that had been going on for about 10 years But we changed it! We flipped into a totally holistic minded event family event with ice baths and meditation and all this great stuff that we talked about Alphavatic And so that's now gone two years and we've now moved it up to the Sierras in this beautiful location. We have speakers like David Avocado-Wolf was there, Renette Senam who is running for governor... All sorts of fantastic characters! It has a 24 hour live art gallery, a children stage now at Children's Village. It's very family oriented and it's a 24 hour camping festival

1:00:48 It goes for a few days. That is something, probably my favorite thing of time of the year and we do that typically May-June. Last year we did it on the 4th July weekend and it was fantastic so that's called Music in Sky and you can check that out at musicinsky.com We'll be doing it again this year. Then we take a lot of those talks and put them out on a summit format The first one was called Reunion Summit which I do with Josh Del Sol who did the 5G summit with Sayer G from GreenMetInfo And that's now kind of blossomed into the event, which is happening next week. If you go to alphabetic.com forward slash the events, you can find out all the information about that and so that hopefully will

1:01:31 spurn people into becoming that naturopath that you want to see because that's what we're pushing. We want people to start taking on those roles and then of course if you're interested in finding out more about Cordal, you can go to cordal.org That's C-O-R-D-A-L dot org You can join the network and start minting I will sponsor you you can just find me on the Cordal community I go by Alpha Warrior on the Discord and Telegram, and then of course Alphavatic. We have a co-op where people can join us and come to the farm and engage with us or just join us on our monthly calls and you can join us there at alphavatic.com that's A L F A V E D I C dot com

1:02:19 Beautiful. Well, Mike you are one of the good guys I'm happy to know ya thanks for doing this tell Bear I said hey and take care Thanks man have a great weekend Yes people Mike Winner bulletproof tiger really enjoyed this one always nice to get a fellow podcaster with the quality setup on And I'm glad we could focus a portion of an episode on the positive applications of blockchain tech rather than just saying crypto bad. Because i don't think that's ever a very good approach, it's intellectually lazy and you can just mentally shut yourself off and ignore the massive amount of nuance in the crypto world or you could resist the temptation for simple thinking and go deeper

1:03:07 You know, when I'm interviewed on other shows and they want to get into the history of THC. I always say it was a Hail Mary because i was in a pretty desperate hail mary situation well the opportunities in crypto and defi and nft's they're there And some of them are also hail marys but they are within reach and it just takes some time to learn and vet various projects You could say it's like the stock market in that you should put your money into things that you believe in and avoid weapons manufacturers, vaccine manufacturers. Maybe that is the same thing? Sounded more like it every day but you know what I mean Nobody says companies full stop are blanket bad So its not the worst idea to try and propel something like Cordell or other decentralized projects Or engage in DeFi

1:04:02 which stands for decentralized finance, something I thought we all wanted. We have networks and exchanges that have harnessed the tools that banks have used for years to make money on money and they've given access to little old you and me to engage with that. Savings accounts that have huge yields even on stable coins if you don't like the risk of something like Bitcoin or Ethereum But blockchain web hosting is super exciting to me. Decentralizing the internet itself and having no company that can turn off your site, you can bet I'm going to be watching that space and pouncing on it when the tech is ready! Not only is it still a little soon for a portal but even other projects are still saying that its on their roadmap down the line. But I do have some friends in jobs they hate

1:04:51 just trying to get by and they have put a thousand or two into a crypto yielding account, or some kind of liquidity pool. And they're generating like 50 60 75 bucks a day whether they are on the clock or not and that's the magic of passive income in there are opportunities in crypto just saying And here's one example actually of the Wild West of crypto that applies to me, but there is a company called Ethereum Name Services and they sell blockchain domain addresses so that your wallet doesn't have to be this big long string of letters and numbers. So I bought the higher side chats dot eth and made it my metamask wallet. To buy domain is pretty cheap like 40 bucks or something

1:05:38 So now if anyone wanted to donate Ethereum to me or pay for a plus membership in Ethereum, that's all you have to know. The higher side chats dot eth and that alone is pretty cool and if I was even more forward thinking I should have bought up a lot of other ones like Budweiser now owns beer dot eth You know? I really could have capitalized on all of this but the point is ENS, the company decided they wanted to launch a token of their own for their own ecosystem. Common thing to do and they air dropped the coins to people based on the number of .eth domains they hold and how long they've held them Another reason that I wish i had gotten more but there was no way to know this at the time

1:06:21 But on the day of the airdrop, I checked my wallet and there's a handful of ENS coins. And i checked the value of those coins and it was about $8000 so huge win! I sold off about half right away and then the next day the value of the coin skyrocketed and I sold the other half for about four times that So all in all I think it was like 12 or 14 thousand. And all i did was buy a domain name for THC trying to be forward-thinking for about 40 bucks and I don't really know many other ways to just come up on a couple grand It definitely never happened for me at GameStop and it was really helpful because getting risked out of the birth center, rushed to the hospital, paying for all that and a three night stay

1:07:14 Well, it was an unexpected expense and this random airdrop really helped iron it out for us. So yeah, this isn't really a financial advice podcast but since it was in the mix of topics we talked about today I would take the opportunity to say to you guys if you are tech savvy at all I would learn about terms like DeFi staking and liquidity pools. I would get involved It's not all about, well I missed Bitcoin so i'm just gonna sit out. People say it's risky and its volatile... Well, I think living paycheck to paycheck is risky and volatile! I think the inflation in the supply chains we're dealing with are risky and volatile but a lot of people don't have a choice And a lot of people who are looking for a Hail Mary Are still doing things like buying lottery tickets or

1:08:09 Try to make a come up in casinos on some slot machine polls and it's like well that's definitely tilted advantage against you where as there are many wins in the casino of crypto let's say. And it's sad. It's sad that we are in an economic position where a lot of people have to do really risky, hail Mary stuff to try and have a normal life but I can't change the system. I can only present you with some possibly potential come ups if you don't want to start your own podcast. That is all i know so even like Mike was saying with Quartle maybe get five court tokens a month

1:08:51 But if that does go up to 50 or 75 or 100 bucks in value per coin, now we're talking. Who couldn't use an extra $500 a month? If you get to level 2 or 3 even more rewards! I guess i would say the crypto space is full of opportunities and projects like Quartle that are paying their node operators or doing other things like air drops And these things do stack up. Even if it's not a lot, it's still something and it's a paradigm shift from the old legacy systems that we've criticized so much for so long! If you're interested I would investigate exchanges like Yearn.finance or Miamar.exchange Miamar is m-a-i-a-r Watch some YouTube videos Conspiracy folks definitely know how to do their own research right?

1:09:47 My two favorite YouTube channels for this stuff are Altcoin Daily and Whiteboard Crypto. But you do you, I'm just throwing it out there! but i'm also a really big fan of Bear, really loved that episode with Dr Lando so to talk to Mike about the Alpha Vedic grounds and products was really interesting A great compliment to that previous show In the plus portion we added quite a few other things that I've heard Mike talk about a real grab bag of various stuff like the Metaverse, the New California Movement, Exotic Energy and Secret Science Antiquitech a really great term Manipulating the weather with Orgone Regreening the deserts Land patents Health and Bio-terrain and Energetics And watching out for the next Scarient another good term

1:10:39 But I did enjoy going back and forth on terrain theory as well. You know, I do subscribe to it but i just like to play devil's advocate and try to get some of those last unanswered questions answered the thing about viruses as opposed to bacteria and parasites is they are much smaller and require that electron microscope and that's where we get into this private club of people who have a hundred grand to use the device to see the thing And it's weird to say that we come in contact with millions of viruses a day, but they can find this one or that one that causes illness because it's not like the other million are mapped out. They don't know what a lot of these things do if anything so where is the periodic table of viruses telling us what each one does? So that we can rule them out when something like COVID comes along

1:11:29 You know, the whole thing does start to fall apart. But I also wonder what COVID is? I know it's similar to a flu if you're in good health but it is different enough and what is the flu even? Is it really just changes in the electrical environment? I don't know! I'm compelled by the argument. I'm intrigued by the conversation we pick apart pieces like polio and vaccine related diseases but there's still a lot more to recontextualize. You know what I'm saying I don't like to just adopt a new paradigm whole hog if i still have some unanswered questions. But when people say no one has ever seen a virus in action actually, in real time infecting a cell in a whole person...I'm pretty sure that is true!

1:12:14 I'm not ready to say pathogens like viruses can never make a person sick. We know bacteria can and parasites can, and i can't see those either but it's very fishy that throughout my whole lifetime whenever a large group of people do get sick it's always a virus that is the answer we never look for another cause and that's clearly pretty suspicious if polio was caused by something like ddt or mercury teething powder well I remember in my neighborhood growing up that they definitely had scent bug sprayers around all the time. What's with all that? My parents were wise enough to tell me to cover my nose and mouth and come back home when that truck was out, but i know people in the neighborhood who would sit in the driveway drinking beers with other neighbors around a fire pit... ...and they didn't clear the area! They just sat in that stank

1:13:07 So when they potentially get some nerve disorder two years later, nobody asks what chemicals they were exposed to. So I am on that page but i just don't want to shut down other perspectives. I want to remain open because...I think that's what THC is about! I'm not going to stop the conversation because a guest says virus or something like around-the-globe as some people wish I would But big thanks to Mike. The AlphaCast is one of my favorites out there when I need a more positive, solution-based podcast to listen to, I definitely go and see who they've been having on because that's their show's focus for the most part

1:13:46 In higher side news, there's a few days left on the 50% off gifting subscription. If you want to give the gift of THC and full-blown enlightenment to your friends and family You can do that And we've also got an offer floating around out there for previous members To try to bring them back in I hope people who have been listening to The Free First Hour will jump over to PLUS You get a lot more show and it means a great deal to me in the New Dad world Between Christmas and New Year's we got meetups in Phoenix and Portland on the calendar at highersidemeetups.com I added some new sweatpants, a new redacted design in the merch store at thehighersideclothing.com That is pretty much it! Hope all is going well in your world or more good than bad

1:14:34 Check out alphavedic.com for all things Mike and DrLando have going on, and I'll see you next time! Thanks for listening...I've done my part Your move smart city sellers, crypto co-opters & agents of a sick, sick system Your fucking move Sometimes when i get down I eat a bunch of corporate junk That makes ya fat Won't make an industry Fixin' to have to face it wrong

1:15:40 I've got an addiction to the digital technology Now and then, I try to quit but it's See discipline is no fun I've disciplined only half of the big conspiracy And every one of them