Michael Wann | Reality, Consciousness, & Escaping The Matrix

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01:31 Serenity now, Hiresight Shatters! How we doin' out there? From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and we have talked about many paranormal places esoteric events and pockets of synchronicity but were often still left wondering what to make of these instances of strange interweaving detail in hot spots of high energetic potency. Have there been rituals done to open unseen portals as far back as ancient Sumer or as recently as the last VMAs Are there some places where energy just wells up like a damned river? Is synchronicity some kind of wink from the higher self that we're on the right path, or was Karl Rasky right in that ultra-terrestrials outside of time and space play with synchronicity like a child plays with blocks. Well it's fun to explore examples with our wide range of guests who have the eyes to see but maybe if we back up and zoom out a bit from dissecting examples of this phenomena to focusing on the layers of reality itself

02:27 We just might elevate our own abilities and unlock a higher potentiality for ourselves. Call it a class in higher consciousness or lesson on liminality, but today we are once again talking to Michael Wan one of the great synchromistic minds of our troubled times. But with the intention of trying to help more people better understand how to step up their own level of awareness keep their zen state in chaotic era and rise to the coming occasion because signs are there that were gonna need all hands on deck to get us through messy years ahead There will undoubtedly be two kinds of people, those who need help and those who can help. And Michael Wan is here to pass the proverbial torch! Of course many THC fans know that Mike has been here plenty of times before talking about the river goddess worship at the Susquehanna River... ...the esoteric life and death of Kobe Bryant... ...and the synchromystic ties that bind many strange events in cultural rituals that usually go unnoticed by the slumbering masses

03:24 You can find his ongoing work at sesquohanaalchemy.com, the Sesquohana Alchemy YouTube channel and you can support his work on Subscribestar or by purchasing a personal reading for yourself or someone who might appreciate it I know i can use all the insightful help i can get these days and i'm sure i'm not alone so bring it on pack your glass and park your ass for the great sesquohana sage and teacher of the synchromistic ways Michael Wan my man welcome back to The Higher Side Greg It's such a pleasure to be here. And part of it is you, obviously. Part of it is like I enjoy one It's great to hear the introductions and that was a beautiful job but then also like we got a nice rapport! It's fun but some people would call this pandering But it's not The reason why I'm really excited Is...it's the audience What I mean by that is Like I do a decent number of shows I try to do maybe two a week I suppose? You begin to recognize patterns

04:26 Feedback after you do a show and you know you see from all sorts of different things. You can measure what has been consistent regardless of maybe the reach of the show which I had been on is that i always get the most consistent feedback from this audience and thats everything from like really thoughtful emails to subscribers to orders, everything across the board And so like that's awesome i can't decide what is joking about the pandering and keep on doing that guys but the truth is this and this is true like in all examples it's like when you are you, when you were just being like you know this totally me without any sort of filter and it is received open arms like

05:12 it's gotten like, you know people get it. It's like your home like that's part of that whole sort of proverbial like, you know thing about finding your tribe I suppose and so I know that when you and I speak and when all the people here listen this is like a homecoming for me So again really excited for these shows Like most shows, like every show is a different sort of vibe which I kind of bring to it. And this is the only show I get like real kind of nervous energy beforehand because I'm just sitting on the edge of my seat because I'm like alright this is going to be good one Oh man it's funny you say that its first amazing to hear but also i get nervous myself when i think about the size of the audience and then i think about the size of madison square garden and im like hey your about to talk to people that could fill up place twice,

06:00 It makes me nervous and I'm like, this thing has gotten out of control but it is still great. And obviously we've been here before and you're a great dance partner. We do this really well. I do agree. We have a great rapport and it's always a treat each time you come here so well prepared and with the solid outline for what we're going to try to get into. This one seems like it's really gonna be a crash course in trying to raise people's general awareness a few more notches higher than they already are And that's exciting. It's a lofty goal, but we definitely know reality is changing and this is very much needed right now so I think it's going to be well appreciated But before we get too deep into it, I just wanted to know how you're doing man Last time we talked you expressed the desire to do more work in person and unplug from digital places? I don't know how that's going

06:52 But you also started up a series with our pal Ross Ben, which has been a lot of fun for me to see happening. You guys are definitely kindred spirits if you ask me but talk to us about what you've been working on and how you've been holding up That's a good question. Thank you for treating me like a human being! So, God I mean...I think everyone is going to say this This year has flipped you in ways which you cannot imagine The last time we spoke was in September And I had every expectation of stopping doing this Like I'm gonna stop making videos and there's nothing new for me to do I keep on doing the same sort of thing

07:33 I recognize the danger i suppose like i don't want to be this involved on the internet. So it's like alright im walking away and i'm gonna go back to basics of do more and more of that in person sort of presentations like i did before i started doing internet stuff end up, It just didn't work. It just didn't work and you know part of at least my approach is part of this dance is like certainly, you set a course but then like when you meet the outer world you also have to take that into consideration so I'm like alright you go where the current takes you and so that kind of brought me back it brought me back to like alright well this is where at least for now

08:20 I'm gonna continue to put my efforts inside i kinda tweak it a little bit. I think i always wanted i always had the desire like when i can come up with an excuse to get off of any of this like im gonna jump on and so there was part of me that always had that in the back of my mind, end because of that I don't think i ever like really was fully committed like i want to learn it i wanna do this i wanna do that because is like i dont wanna become further and further vested in the process. And so because of that i think i did kind of like probably just as much to get by in terms of how i managed what i was gonna do. End once it became a parent to me at least for the short term like you know this is where im going to be able to communicate with most amount people which is what i'm interested in doing, is there any movies get my act together and sell

09:19 Part of that's been reaching out and doing more regular shows with other hosts you mentioned ross ben me and howdy mccoskey have done some stuff together mean emily moyer do stuff together. On a regular basis so there is that like figure it out my whole way so there was bad but they're still this kind of like internal lake, I know that this is something i don't want to do for a variety of reasons and so the flip side of that the flip side of that man this is very much what i think the nature of hopefully our conversation today will be about it's like okay,

09:56 i was unable at this moment to disconnect from the way i wanted to. And so if im gonna still connect and i still have to do this what am i gonna do to counterbalance that what additional things will i do in order to Reduce the potentiality of like all of these new technologies and life over the internet and all that sort of stuff. What can i do to ensure that my consciousness, that all of you know different parts of me are still grounded strongly somewhere else so thats what a lot of this is going to be about. Is talking about that sorta process and why its important and really sharing at least my insights

10:40 over the past couple months of having that approach and what I've learned because i learned a whole bunch of stuff and it's really really good stuff. And so that's what I'm hoping to do, and this is gonna be talking about like reality and consciousness and specifically this moment in time. Hmm...I love it yeah we never stop learning! In terms of what we're going to talk about today- I tried to do it justice in the intro there but how would you define the overall agenda today based on the outline here it looks like we're gonna get pretty fundamental but we're gonna build up to a place that i hope is useful for elevating more people out there, hone in their own synchronistic skills and be better prepared mentally for what we all see coming very big changing of the guard and when it comes to the matrix of control as you know changing of the guard can be scary because its new level of control

11:36 that disrupts a lot of what we're used to but it's also a great opportunity for more people to wake up if you want to escape from a prison, changing the guard is a key time to do it right I mean that is our silver lining. That is definitely the timing there's definitely the timing so I wanna go into like a whole bunch of stuff giving a model reality in a way of being able to understand what's going on and understand how we Interact with it because is my personal opinion is my personal opinion and i'll be going back to this route the program that's all for its fundamentally bullshit. End the escape from it like fear is also fundamentally bullshit but in order for not to make manifest is like you have to understand how it works and so your absolutely right it's like it all goes back to

12:31 to blocking and tackling the fundamentals are what we do in so when i'm done on the show with what i like to do it like people who resonate with like when i come on the shower other people who are you know quote unquote synchronous sticks. Part of its story telling part of a story telling but it's really training it's a training of consciousness that's Every time we hear the stories or we do our own sort of observations and our own sort of connections which, which we make what were doing is returning our consciousness and so. What we've been training with those like kinda like the big picture sorta stuff i use a little bit of football analogy but like we are practicing or training on a trick play you know hail mary flea flicker like no it's got all this pizzazz

13:21 You know and we get that it was very very helpful but we need to go back in that's what i want you talk about how the fundamentals work because the whole thing when you begin to understand it and see if for what is then you can recognize where and what you can go and, where are you can focus on understanding better its appealing of the onion so maybe thats one of the reasons why we began with all of the pizzazz within were gonna go deeper deeper into the fundamentals when you hear some of these fundamentals They're not gonna sound like much they're not gonna sound like much like that's what's keeping me locked in that's but yeah thats what it is if you hold a thread of string in your hand and try to break it, no problem. But if u had two things that are sewn together with double or triple seams and he tried to pull apart its held together considerably stronger so it is this

14:13 Continuation i mean a long long continuation of this tiny tiny threads which hold our consciousness to understanding reality in such a way that's what goes and holds us down get into all this greater detail but, we're gonna start doing it start just pulling out that thread when you pull up that thread is when you see the whole sort of house of cards starts to fall apart. I'm gonna say one last thing before i get into a story so the last thing i wanna say though is. One of the things which should be crystal clear like if you're a fan of this show if u listen to shows like you had come to the realization that,

14:53 Wow, they're doing a lot of stuff to us right you know the food and indoctrination in the air propaganda and all that sort of stuff. And then like let's put that on its head for a moment it's like why do you think it requires that much effort because this thing that is trying to hold back just naturally wants to show itself And so as we are figuring out what it has been which is been holding back this thing with one show itself it becomes easier and easier. Encyclopedia system is like the finger that points at the moon when we practice synchronistic system we look at the world this way will be enjoyed and synchronicity is fascinating particularly the way

15:40 I like to go and approach it is like, you know It's got a very conspiratorial element to it But it's got a magic element To it and it's gotta like well. I don't even know what the F element to it Like it's got the whole thing And so that is like when we are looking at the world like that in seeing the interconnectivity We are training our consciousness to recognize the interconnectivity because one of the biggest things What the entire program is about this program goes back thousands and thousands of years at least i could even just be part of the storyline as well but it's about keeping us disconnected literally from being grounded from what things are, and seeing things that are false so once we begin to realize that and see what real is and its whole lot easier than you can imagine then that string starts to come undone with greater and greater ease.

16:33 Right on. Cheers to that! So many thoughts and it's easy to just get to talking but I want to be methodical and stick to the outline that you put so much thought into, so yes take us through this story that you had planned to tell because it's pretty interesting So i'm sharing this story because when we program our minds for synchro mysticism just aware of the interconnectivity. And there's an interesting dimension about like straight up mysticism and straight up conspiracy in life,

17:09 There's some mines which are in my opinion like too heavily weighted and one or the other camp. And one is going to miss the structure of the world we're living in, and then the other one is missing unexplained mystery about what they're doing but they both are dealing with interconnectivity things so when you begin to practice it with providing structure but at the same time having this element of mystery Your reaction with the world becomes more like that because you are framing your consciousness to pick up and interact with the world that way. So i'm gonna give you a story, tell me the story as it was restored being so we love to hear stories but more so is like i would just go point out how this stuff works in the majesty behind at all

18:04 So this story begins the last week of december twenty twenty so is that like three four months ago i sit at my kitchen table and. I was really excited because i was working on my first project with howdy And we had agreed that we're gonna both look at a certain location from our own perspectives and see like you know what we come from. So I'm excited, i'm sitting and doing work earlier than normally would but just so excited! So there's knock on the door this is weird time of year it's like you know the year has been weird to begin with but between christmas in new years regardless whether you celebrate or not like there's a weirdness during that time here right now.

18:47 And there is an official letter for me, not like a package where you get a box but like we get envelope. And I'm like all right so I go and I take this and it's addressed to me and it's not handwritten on the envelope. It is printed out on a piece of paper with my name in my address and the return address says The Bastion Peril Of Call 650 East South Temple Salt Lake City Utah and then the zip code so like immediately I know that this is address you don't spoof address of your i mean i'm assuming it's a joke that its coming from there but nonetheless nonetheless. I'm kinda like hooked in like you know this has got this masonic sort of implication and sure enough that addresses the addresses

19:34 The primary masonic lodge in salt lake city which is like a really big deal if you know like the history of. The church there so i got it i see that im kinda late you know giddy and i'm excited to open up, And i pull out this folder like a heavyweight folder like it's real nice paper start blue. End its golden boss it says the ancient accepted scottish writer free masonry and scotland that double headed eagle insignia on it, end open it up opened up and there is a poem. Like six stanza poem and it's called the susquehanna gypsy

20:17 I'm like hell is this and then there's also a silver dollar from twenty twelve there is a silver dollar included. In the envelope and that's all there is immediately go and, No i'm getting this is not this is an exciting who sending this thing i don't think this is legit like a pretty good idea who i think sent it's not someone who i know well, but if someone who i had done a session with sign on to that level. And they were very interesting like kind unique person but also like filled with mystery and like this definitely came from that person

20:55 Like it had the fingerprints on it. But I can't say that for certain and, and I don't know what that person is behind like what my experience was in our one conversation so I immediately go and I'm like this is too good to pass up. I take a picture of it and send it to a friend who I have very complex relationship with its a good relationship but its complex When it comes to like past lives i don't know what kind of open to a but i don't know like i don't subscribe to one hundred percent but i dont like discounted. What this is the relationship which makes me think like you know there's something deeper going on just in the nature of complexity of this relationship so i go and i take pictures if anyone is gonna appreciate this in my life i'm in this person can appreciate so send them the pictures and about,

21:51 Five minutes later I get a response and it's a series of numbers, it's a series of numbers. And it looks like latitude and longitude. Latitude and longitude can be shown in couple different ways one way is like degrees minutes and seconds which is what I'm most familiar with the other one is as decimal so if its 40 degrees would be 40 degrees 16 minutes would be like forty dot whatever the percentage of 60 over sixty is So I go and see that, and i'm like huh. And I was in front of my computer because I was doing research on this thing for Howdy. And so I put in the Latin long, and I was actually looking at a map because me and how do you were talking about very specific place we're talking about like where Jamestown Virginia is

22:38 And we're looking specifically where there was a world fair, or world expedition that was held there in 1907. And so that's up on my computer I go and put it in the latin long and it came up probably four miles away from where my computer screen is already on I told you it's a complex relationship and i'm like does this guy have access to my computer. And so i didn't think that was the case but like all these ideas are passing in my mind, am i just strange coincidence all the stuff is unfolding so this story is gonna have three different storyline that's where begins when we go down one we're gonna come back this is like such a rich story but it really painting a picture i hope it isn't hopefully sent a couple days goes by

23:24 And i run into my friend i see you in real life and i haven't seen him in real life for a couple weeks so is it no coincidental that we run into each other any send me those numbers and he sent me. There were like three letters that he sent me afterwards and i never responded to that because it's just kind of the nature of the relationship with him what that means but it'll come so i go see em and i say to my mic, what was that text you send me. And he said did you goto the coordinates like yeah i want to the coordinates know what i was looking at and use like. It's for your great great grandfather is wow

24:03 Now, my curiosity is peaked and like almost like you know my I wouldn't quite say like I was in a defensive state but my stage has shifted because i'm like how do you know who migrate great grandfather is because I don't know who migrate great-grandfather. Yeah it's a little intimate so you know little bit into Mike storyline is that so my grandfather my grandfather He died before I was born. He died before I was born and I carry his name or at least one of my middle names have two Middle names One of my middle names is his and I know nothing about this man the only thing I know from My father and the only thing my father would ever say about him Was that he was an angry bitter man, and that he was an orphan That's all I friggin now it's all I friggin knew about this man

24:56 And so my friend says, like he knows who my great grandfather is and my great-great grandfather is. Like you know all sorts of things are going up and so it tells me the guy's name I've got all sorts of mixed feelings going on but overall excited. At first this ain't true when I go and poke holes through no that name that's not my great grandfather. And then as a guy told us to meet this guy is expert researcher And I don't think he would say that unless he was 100% certain. So, I go back and like pay the money and get access to all of the genealogy databases and spend the next 24 hours researching sure enough that was my great grandfather. And I was able through working at a whole bunch of different databases, I was able to build out my family tree. This is interesting for this reason

25:51 I mean i guess it's true for anyone but like when you don't know part of where you come from if you don't know part of your lineage like there is a hole there, do you wanna know more about it and so. I don't know four five years ago i started looking into the last name one what does this come from what is this about cuz i know my family history from other four grandparents but i dont know this one and its the one whose name which i carry And eventually I come across this character from history and his name was Johnny Juan spelled J O H N N E W A N N E.

26:29 And this guy carried the title of King of the Gypsies. I didn't realize this at the time, but like that's a thing like The King of the Gypsies is like you know, like a thing in the same way like the Don is to La Cosa Nostra there was like a whole world where this is really important and he was one of these kings. He was a king of the gypsies or multiple kings of gypsies depending upon where they are and he was the king of the gypsies in Scotland This is in the late fifteen hundreds and the dudes got like this really strange history when you look into it so there's a long line of like. This one family line of the kings of gypsies in scotland they all go by the last name of five FAA

27:11 And there's one guy who was the son of johnny far whose name is johnnie won and we don't know where that name came from we don't know where he went away but using the history books like in multiple multiple places i can be official history books. And so apparently what happens is this guy, This late 1500s, he was exiled from Scotland and apparently went to Virginia. And that always attracted me because I was doing all the research in the Susquehanna mystery of Virginia, Jamestown and it's like right around the same timeline which happens to be the same place which the coordinates came from. So i'm seeing all this stuff which I was talking about with Howdy and my friend so I get this name and this is like five years ago

27:52 Where i get the name i see that i don't really know my history so i'm like i adopted it is my own. I did it like tongue in cheek and not being serious but you know start saying this is the lineage i come from because i didn't have anything better, so going back to our story Is my friend says he knows who migrate great grandfather is that opened up the store and i go to trace this line of wands. And i traced it back to the first guy came over to the colonies in seventeen thirty five, And he came over from Germany and he settled in what's now called Berks County, maybe it was called Berks County back then. Same place where all the Amish are. So I grew up outside of DC. I live in Amish territory in Pennsylvania now but apparently that was where the first lineage came over and so this guy's name is John Wan, J-O-H-N-W-A-N-N just like Johnny Wan but now like 125 years later

28:51 And I was reading through the research on it, what was available and says that this John Juan who lived in Pennsylvania basically same place which i'm living right now he was a drummer in a regiment in the Pennsylvania Revolutionary War. And so like now i got a second character in history who are sharing the same name and its starting to come from the same place So this storyline ends like this and it's all begins with this letters all begins with this letter so. My father i mean its impossible to not like my father does not have a positive correlation with

29:30 This one family lineage at least in his mind like the only thing he's ever told me about it is that his father was angry and he was an orphan. I know idea like you mean he grew up in an orphanage with the last name Juan was one given like none of that turns out like my grandfather died, and then he was raised by an aunt and uncle like still within the same family but he wasn't working on the lesson so all this sort of stuff my dad never talks about his dad end I mean my dad we got kinda like it we've got a weird relationship i didn't exactly turn out how what he probably had in mind like you was very successful corporate guy and i walked away from that world doesn't quite understand what whom i am but i'm still sunny so my father but its strange and so

30:17 I catalog that entire family lineage and to some people do some people the idea of having a family line because of the revolutionary war would be like you know real sort of interesting attribute think of their family line in my father will be one of those people. So i told him that eventually got to that storyline and instantaneously, I could hear it in his voice i could hear it in his voice this thing was taken off of the shoulders is thingy probably doesn't realize he's caring which i'm probably carrying with you like me this generational stuff this is how works but like that the way he looked at what and whom he came from changed instantaneously.

31:02 That's quite a story right and that's just number one there three parts of the story and it's gonna make sense so that part number one in the middle of the other two parts i wanna i would give you an opportunity for reflection back red shirt so the second part is this. So I'm looking at this return address it's from the bastion paro i don't know if i pronounce that correctly p.r. r. o.t of call c a l w so do quick search and that is, hey character in a book called glass bead game i was not familiar with the glass game when i first read about this

31:43 What's the last speed game was a book which was written by herman hassa. And as an author and as a book, like this is for literary critic perspectives. This is like one of the classics of all times I've never heard of it. And I thought I was familiar with the guy's name but like I think I'm somewhat well read but like I didn't know who that guy was But I saw how his literature was taken by literary world so I was peaked and this book when I read the Wikipedia description of how they described what The Glass Bead Game was That's synchromysticism. That is friggin' synchronisticism, they're calling it the glass bead game but it's the exact same thing so I was like alright well you know this arrived mysteriously on my front door and you know it already had this crazy thing with my family and all of a sudden they connect and I'm like I'm gonna read this book

32:37 So what i bought the book and start reading it and at the same time i am in the process of. Reading on the second book series which are read to my two sons fourteen fifteen n that's probably one of my favorite things which we do together you know like is they grow up, the readings change to be like age appropriate i would suppose no words we read about me talk about both finance great way to teach learn It's reading a book series called the first book is called the name of the wind and. I absolutely love this book and we're having so much fun reading the spark. So i start then reading simultaneously the glass speed game is starting to speed game memory miss just in private. And quickly become aware that these are the same story they are so friggin connected keep in mind the glass speed games all about synchro mysticism which is called the glass beat game,

33:35 So in the name of the wind way it's structured is there's this like it's about this like larger than life character and his name is kovac cavy o.t.h. e and the way the plot is structured, it is that you got this guy and she's like kinda later on in life for i don't know he might be liking his thirties but he's already live late to full lives in those first thirty years And this takes place in the earth like sort of world but outside of our history line and. A chronicler one who chronicles people's lives stumbles across his in any second my god you're this mythic characters i would love to tell your story

34:14 And so we're on like page two thousand total reading between the two books. The nature of this story is to vote this larger than life character who is telling his story to the chronicler and eighty percent of it takes place like in stories he's telling and then twenty percent goes back to him telling it in late the book real time that's what set up, end this book glass speed game is setup just like that but only opposite In the name of the wind is told from kovacs perspective and now all of a sudden you start reading glass speed game glass speed game is about. A larger than life character but instead of being both his name was connect

34:58 spelled k and ect h and so how this book is structured is that herman has the author is presenting this active fiction as if it is true and he himself is the chronicler so this is the chroniclers end outcome of the book versus like what I'm reading in the first book which is the telling of the story So the Glass Bead game goes through telling the story of this Kinect guy. And they're very similar where the first book is kind of Earth-like but it takes place in the past, this takes place in the future and The Glass Bead game But its not futuristic futures, not computers and stuff like that It's just like all of these stuff has already occurred and has very similar settings and so forth but the characters are diametrically opposed

35:47 Where is the character is filled with like passion and outer expression of these stories which are like larger than life. This connect guy is the head and the magister loony of the glass bead game which was this place where all of the finest minds in the country would come and they were scholars musicologist, what they would do is it fine we will call the synchro mysticism and try to present them as beautiful stories. Showing the most amazing connections in ways which no one would ever think are connected but they're able to demonstrate the interconnectivity of the world to such a degree that it's both art and scholarly at same time. End this character is completely different where he is completely self contained inside balanced focus, end i'm reading these books against each other

36:45 And so we're all in our journeys were all on our journeys myself included and to go and see these two characters and seeing how juxtapose they are, can be able to see how this is guiding me in my own store. Is it amazing gift just the same way that it first gave me or the gift which you gave my father by this letter coming What's my doorstep and which opened up all these doors in my family line announce become even more personal. And then lastly is then the historical significance of the fact that this thing what we call synchro mysticism you know that's just a modern term in which were using, but this isn't art form which has at least been told about as far back as this book

37:34 And so in terms of recognizing what we're doing and the approach in which it can be taken and then the effects both in terms of just an abstract idea but literally through real time experience this, this is white the entire experience for me is about and this is what i want to share that as we practice and become aware. Interconnectivity of life And we see it in all aspects matrix and all that will actually tie us down and pull us through ways we can never imagine. So does with these stories that i wish to kick off where were gonna go for the remainder of our conversation

38:24 Yes man i like it a lot and it seems like the universe runs on story in the video you had sent me you talk about the network of water on the planet the rivers that the network of water and current that's pushing things around and i think thats a great analogy for how our own lives work, i mean this invokes archetypes unseen forces ancestral karma. And cycles of time and it's a great example. that when things enter our lives in strange ways it's kind of a knock at the door and you can sense that in its potency and mystery if you engage in the mystery, add follow along clearly there is often some personal insight or nugget of wisdom waiting at the end but how often do we not answer those calls because we gotta get to work or.

39:22 Godzilla vs. King Kong just came out on HBO, I mean there's always some distraction but yet these are the fruits that we're here to harvest and they should be a lot more personal and you know a lot more related to our actual lives Without a doubt One of the things which always makes me smile is this statement when people say well it's human nature to want to go make these connections And thats all it is And when you flip that around, and be like yeah it's our nature to make the connections. Well why do you think that is? Why do you think that is our nature?! So we're in this process right now of changing the guards and so first... You made reference to this video I want just interject for a moment. I put out a video a week ago on my YouTube channel Susquehanna Alchemy and its different than any other videos

40:22 escaping the matrix and that's a video what you're talking about i would really encourage people to go and take a look at it i think its good work. In that video, what i go through is i break down a model of the way we can look at reality and really begin to see whats happening here because The system which we find ourselves in its primary purpose is to keep us disconnected from where it is that were living life and when i say that as i'm talking about your feet are on earth and the skies above you, no not going any further than that not saying like not knowing what the earth is not know what the sky is but you send me what you do now is that work here

41:08 And there are all sorts of things about being here which are very very tangible and real it wants to keep us disconnected from that and focused on symbols in abstracts of that. End by doing so buy us free framing our minds are integrating our minds to this symbol or abstract we're not connected. Do the actual thing which works experiencing because if we were connected to the thing we were experiencing regardless of where when you are it will begin to take control your life and then, no longer are part of whatever the system is so

41:45 The system was created to go and keep the consciousness there so it integrates so that one you are on grounded or disconnected into so then you can be moved because there's no center. So i want to begin by saying three different types of realities three different types of reality when is the first reality, is baseline reality that is the natural physical world call that simulation And i'm not calling it the simulation because im applying that we're living in a computer simulation like i don't know i don't think we are but. The reason i'm going to simulation because that is the term of the times thats just simply why we can go back and look at,

42:33 The bits of history we have and you know take all of it with a grain of salt but we see like another agent folks in india they called baseline reality my or the illusion and peoples of australia. When were awake what we think is awakened conscious like that's dream time this is the fake stuff like you know the quantum physicist there are like no you made adams and addams ross space so you're not solid that just like an illusion We live in a computer time right now so it's a computer contacts so they saying its simulation when i call the simulation one talk about baseline reality the one thing which i'm saying is, it seemingly not what did appears.

43:15 No i don't know what it is but just like what looks like its seemingly not that it's not bad so the baseline reality is this natural world in the natural world were also indicating as different than what did appears but nonetheless that is the baseline reality. And then the second reality the second reality is the matrix there's the matrix and then there's just a matrix The matrix would fall underneath that general category of matrix and matrix is any reality which is created by human beings and there are.

43:53 Some matrixes which are in more harmony with the greater reality and there's some which are totally inverse. And the matrix, when I use that phrase, I'm referring to like the dominant one which we're experiencing right now, which is all about domination control and it is an inversion of the laws and rules in which it exists itself but it still in a resonance Just a dissonant resonance or inverted residence with the truth and so matrix is everything that's language it's all of our stories at structures are like.

44:31 Cultural structures organizations governments religions. The customs all of that sort of stuff that's where the matrix begins and to be human is you are in a matrix is nothing no inherently wrong with the matrix just understanding exactly you know the way things kinda work and so what, the matrix is The second reality exists within the or on top of the baseline reality in the matrix appears to be most real because it's what we interact with our consciousness the most, it seems to be the most real but still least three. And the third one is which the simulation and therefore the matrix exists within and i'm calling that the greater reality greater mystery end

45:21 And it is where all of the laws and the rules which makes the simulation run, it's where it exists. This is a general model like we can take whatever story, stories just matrix some of them are more accurate than other ones but like every story can be told multiple multiple ways they all fit within this general model What were doing when we're beginning to play with synchro mysticism and we talk about that is we point out the nature of dad all the other realities this simulation which we experience.

45:58 In our physical bodies and then we have our like more in a mental head where were in this matrix reality whatever that may be but they're all permeated by this interconnectedness which exists beyond the curtains you know there also ways of describing it but I just want to be general like that but it is based upon the interconnectedness in which the other two exist within a permanent. So then thats kinda like the outer world and we have our inner world and are in her world as best Understood with her consciousness and there's lots of ways of thinking about slicing dice in consciousness so i'm just gonna go and give one way. If you're familiar with like brain states like alpha beta delta theta that's what it's like you know kind of corresponds with that but these are we use models will use models as ways, being able to understand the abstract sometimes understandable but they're not things themselves or just tools to help understand

46:57 So the first consciousness is matrix consciousness and each of these conscious missus ways of thinking they correspond to those three realities that doesn't mean that they can be used in the other ones in fact we're using the wrong ones in the wrong times all the time it's just there is a correspondent so, we begin with naming consciousness which is part of matrix thinking or matrix consciousness. End naming consciousness deals with this idea that everything has to be named. Everything has to be measured and everything has to be categorized organized. And that certainly holds a place is very very helpful for communicating you know it's part of the human experience but no too much of it is too much what is one of the techniques which has been used, keep us focused upon a matrix reality with an overlooking

47:57 Of the other two realities and the reason why are part of the reason why is naming consciousness by its nature by naming something you are identifying how it is separate from the whole. No i called my hand my hand i am implying that it is different than my body as just like what i call my body's different than everything else. And so we're slowly every time you use the naming consciousness reinforcing an idea of separation how things are not being connected, don't say no use names understand this is just kinda you know where going to the basics foundation understanding how the system works

48:37 So in alternative to naming consciousness would be open consciousness and open consciousness corresponds with the simulation of a natural world. And this is away of, thinking without using names, without naming something or categorizing. Just simply observing and you know this fits into like a lot of like Eastern sort of practices of like emptying the mind and all that sort of stuff And we're just describing different ways of being human and how we work these different tools which we have. So the simulation

49:17 If you apply your matrix thinking, if you apply your naming consciousness. You go out into the woods and like the freaking woods are awesome! And we know immediately when you're outside in a natural environment there's all sorts of benefits which immediately happen physiologically I mean this is what i say it takes so much to hold us back because like we naturally go to this other state as soon things aren't putting toxins on us What if you go into the natural world and still using naming consciousness you're not really experiencing it you would need to go and utilize open consciousness because, level of reality the natural world baseline reality simulation. It gets lost as soon as you begin to name it

50:06 So open consciousness generally is how we begin or transition to the third phase of consciousness which is union consciousness which begins with open and open is kinda like a sense of all. But then that all kind of dissipate and then there is a merging so it's like the mind remains open in that merging happens because their is a deeper knowing there is a knowing of the interconnectedness which one shares with this environment where we find ourselves. That is the truth of the human being we adapt to our surroundings this is how we are you know whatever whomever made us that's what we do and so wherever we are we become that way adapted we merge with it. So if we particularly looking at the modern matrix when we look at the most powerful tools like you know, you think about TV

51:04 We know that when someone first sits in front of the tv they go into a slight hypnotic state what you doing is there applying open consciousness there. Observing what they're watching with this state of all and then it shifts into this merging consciousness and then they start becoming back, So part of what the whole system is how it set up and once we kinda understand what's going on in this basic level we can see how it happening over and over again and so whats happening is the. Outside of the matrix baseline reality and greater reality,

51:43 Most people are missing that they're missing it because they are naming it there discounted not looking for using the matrix thinking on the world which could be merging with. But then secondly they are using this open consciousness than to merge in consciousness to merge with everything which is in the matrix what you always just Abstracts are tools of something which is true and it is just pulling someone naturally its weaponizing using our natural tendencies abilities in a way to hold us into reality which isn't real. That's the whole game

52:24 And it is incredibly evident right now and they're working at a really really hard because right now, you changing the structure of the game but because of that were able to see everything much much more clearly and provides an opportunity to begin to put in practice to recognize how we go and. In ways we can even imagine that will go into this example shortly of ways which we are completely blending our consciousness into the matrix reality. End how that impacts the way you see things and do things

53:01 I like it that is a lot to chew on but i think even though it can sound pretty fundamental these things can be subtle like the threads analogy you used earlier. Like, A lot of small threads can create a lot of drastic effects and so many of us are walking through life I'm conscious or just going with whatever mode are subconscious has a center being led around and i was just thinking kind of about the differences between inside and outside i mean. In the completely man created world of our domiciles it's all rigid in structured and straight weather its property lines or the fences around them or the doors and windows even coffee tables tile floors walls,

53:51 Our appliances are basically just boxes even picture frames and our screens we are just kind of obsessed with these rigid straight angles and you get out into nature. And none of it's like that, that none of it is all clean and neat its one big thing and it just goes to show the types of thinking we can get stuck in Most of us spend most of our time indoors which is why i think nature seems so fascinating once we actually step out into it but little modes of consciousness overtime they definitely affect the reality were living in and there's a huge, has them between inside now outside i think that's kind of a great way to think about the.

54:41 Simulation you're talking about verses the matrix and the fruits that are yielded by constantly being in one type of thinking versus another. Absolutely absolutely absolutely so if your listen to this is not meant to be like all these other problems with the matrix this is meant to be able to understand how it works and, The reason why i shared that story in the beginning is like listen when you begin to lay consciously understand what your practicing which is like im still in the matrix world i'm still living in a square house i can move out into a tv tomorrow but that being said it's okay well if i can't do that this was told that computer story in the beginning like if u cant do that.

55:22 if you're not ready for that yet will then what you can do is begin to begin to align to something which is true your already aligned to something which is false, now you have to go and when you begin to line two things which are true we're defining true is based upon the natural laws in which we find ourselves in within we become ingrained with that and then the outer world begins to change to us it sounds nuts but thats how works I've talked about this in the past but we need to understand there is a false apocalypse age of Aquarius which is being fed to everyone right now. To use Ross Bend terminology,

56:07 This is timeline manipulation. There is a timeline, like quite literally and this goes we I've talked about astrology a lot on the show but there's a you know they using will talk about this later Greg. A false astrology time line and then just like that just telling the story over and over again in people are getting swept up into it like its not real and thats what happening right now so now let me go back how much time do we have left or we still do we talk straight through with the new edit out or do want to go in and the first hour, like we do a break. We do typically talk straight through I know everyone has a different process but we also aren't really super limited on time it's not a rigid thing i never want to take up a guests time or full day but like we still have a couple things on the agenda for what we were going to consider the first hour and that's fine

56:59 Good good good i wanna make certain that i get some stuff into the folks who just listen to first hour and encourage them to listen second are going to get into more specifics. So we want go back and look at mesopotamia so mesopotamia this is like sumer and then babylon And so the story which were told this is a story which they teach us in our schooling, is that we got a bunch of people and they were just like nomadic and they're like walking around it's like I'm just no matter if this sucks let's go and settle camp with his commit to being here. Now between the tigers new fridays river and you know those the fertile crescent civilization was born

57:41 This is what it is and they went immediately from being these hunter gatherers to like immediately having a highly regimented social class system. To having complex tax code, a fully established line of Industry of slavery and human trafficking to banking to a completely laid out zodiac in geometry like all this stuff like all came from here that's the first thing i call at the wandering human beings when to go do. You know if you're looking at that and you're looking at that like, assuming this is an accurate or somewhat accurate description. It doesn't make sense! That's not how it would happen. You don't go from nothing to everything and it just doesn't work that way. There's more to that story which isn't being told. What we can see – whatever that may be – but what we can see since then is those systems never went away

58:37 Those fundamental pieces are still here we are in those systems with a very different expression and the way it's kinda position to us is like that so different but it's the same we're still using the same geometry was still using the same astrology we still got this same banking. It never went away i want to go into calendars but i wanna point this out first is that human being becomes the environment they're born into you take any one day old baby put it in any household and whatever language they speak in that household that baby at age two will be speaking their mind melds to it if they speak ten languages there mine will melt to the ten languages same thing is happening like with habits

59:34 Whatever the habits were of the people who you lived with in that first seven years of life chances are your doing them right now and have no idea why is that because you became those you internalize. You know if anyone has ever caught themselves saying or acting or behaving just like their parents you know thats why it happens but it doesn't end there, We become the system which we are born into and these systems have always been in place where all part of this civilization matrix like these are the small strings that hold us in place. Let me said, i want to share with you like one more personal story and i think this will be a nice way to stop in our first half so calendars

1:00:25 I've always been very very aware and i talk about calendars a lot about how like you know calendar just like one big mind fuck it's just like they're just not real, they work within the system this is the truth of everything in the matrix the matrix holds value in the matrix but if its outside of the matrix and it's not true or if it holds no value you know what completely it's a matrix artifact. And so like a calendar is working the system but our calendars are all messed up or counters almost stop and so many different ways in so many different ways. I'll give you an example, the equinox we know historically that the equinoxes has been important time on earth and we know that like no ancient call most every culture they have like holiday around the equinox spring and fall and it's a fair assumption that there something physiological happens when he knocks happens

1:01:20 If you go and look at every transition that happens on a more regular basis when we go through twilight you know what it goes from like light to dark you know all the animals come alive different animals come alive weather from dark to lighter light to dark just for small period of time i call these different sort things another there's a change that happens when physiological when cross the equator even if its just as simple is like no other toilet bowl going, the opposite direction but there are things that happen with the midline is crossed. And so when we receive light from the sun whatever the sun is in you know where very very sensitive to all of this like That's a midline we go from like light increasing increasing increasing to like decreasing decreasing decreasing and so it's fair to assume that the equinox is something of significance one of the ways this is kept hidden from people who's like fact that like you know no one knows if I could ancient used to worship it that way or if they did they think of it as like something like arcane where do you think of it is like even people practice their practicing in a way which was told

1:02:22 Even if you find your own way to interact and that's the truth of what all ceremony is ceremony has to be alive and to be alive it has to be real to you, does mean you can't practice another ceremony but it has to be live nonetheless if u actually go when you look. If you goto like the websites where they keep track of sunrise times and sunset times and you going new look you see when is it actually equal time daylight and equal time nighttime The equinox is defined in a couple ways it's like said to be the midpoint between. The earth and the far what does it not have to do with the wobble has to the wobble tells us about like that this seasons and it's like you know these are like the main points that's just abstract no these ideas it's an abstract

1:03:12 Maybe it's accurate maybe it's not but its an idea you can see for certain or people think about is counting days and again that's another abstract justin abstract is not a real thing like it's really real in the fact that your accounting but it's not a real thing your accountants are looking at apple. What's the one thing which is true is that the light changes that's the truest definition objective definition of what the abstract is there is a one point actually two points in a solar cycle where it is equal amounts daylight and equal amount start missing so It would be kind of interesting significant i would imagine by being alive in this environment you know and on earth, end if we know that like you know what do you doing what changes and what happens. And if u go to those websites tell you when those days are you'll see that particularly this year for example mean philadelphia changes a little bit depending upon where you are the equinox which we just had most people think happens on march twentieth or march twenty first was on the fifteenth

1:04:16 Fifteen is when that actual physiological thing happened these are the things that they go and. It keeps us off balance even if we're trying to go and become connected so all that said this is a setup for this one of the things which i did it was like alright well im gonna go If i'm gonna spend more time doing things on the computer, if I'm gonna spend more time doing things on the internet and do more of these things what am i going to go and do in deepen my connection outside of the matrix. And calendars have always been a big thing for me as i said that i've always been aware that like you know they're all jacked up you know that october is eight and seventeenth month like other stuff is all jacked up so i'm like alright let me get back to basics

1:05:07 And so there's like you know there's twelve month calendars and thirteen month calendars but those are matrices to. The thirteenth month is a better matrix than the, twelve months one like it's more accurate in a way it got certain benefits to it but it also is not the truth it is not the objective truth we manage our lives and art days what were your activities during our days through the months The month obviously has a correspondence to the word moon like it is based upon something real in the month is now an abstract idea of a true cycle called the mood and we got this monsoon you know thirteen twelve but if u really wanna be connected to it, you have to go on the month cycle and the month cycle. Is always changing like it begins when its dark

1:06:02 You know doesn't begin when it's full because nothing forms that way i guess you could do without me but i choose i've redone my calendar like i'm still in the matrix i still need to go and schedule times, what are we did my calendar based upon what the actual moon cycle is. I would play in my week everyday on sunday every day on sunday that's not planned by weak but if u going look at the moon cycle literally is begins on the new moon then you got a quarter million in a full moon of the last quarter Those are basically where the weeks come from the weeks are a symbol of they are an abstract of the truth of this cycle of the moon so i'm like alright you know sometimes it's gonna be different because it changes all the time but you know sometimes my week what i'm calling a weak.

1:06:47 No we can just an idea but it's really my planning so what will i do the planning it will be in these segments of what is true and the heavens and soul. What is all i like to line up with the calendar so i still know what the real date is, put the point on trying to make a not telling everyone to go do this when i'm trying to go inspire people is like begin to look at whats real Begin to realize that all of these tiny things which are being attached with your gonna go and hold us onto the matrix like they're just gonna bring along all we gotta do is begin to start taking ways, be small little things which would you i still need a calendar i still use counts i'd like to play it out you know that's helpful for me. What now mine is grounded primarily in the natural world

1:07:36 If you can ask a good question the good questions like isn't that moon a control system of saturn we can answer that moment but i'm using that as an example of these are the ways which we break out of the matrix is much as anything else if were still thinking. That all of the major stuff is true within worst connected on this very very deep foundational way yes and i think the moon calendars kinda thing is a great example because you can hold in your head what day of the week it is which we all do but then you also need to holding your had where is the moon in its cycle because everybody will say that

1:08:20 no new moons and full moons these are real opportunities to start something new or wrap something up so if you're planning your week on sunday that's fine but you look at where the moon is in its phase me like oh well thursday of this week is a new moon maybe these new, things i'm gonna cast out in the world these new goals of mine these changes i wanna make i should plan them for thursday and accordance with the new moon because the energies will be right and i'll be going with the flow of energy as opposed to against it doesn't really matter what day of the week is except for. Are navigation of a matrix that's obviously important first scheduling this and that but we can hold both ideas in our head and weekend,

1:09:09 have one foot in one world and one foot in the other end without putting that other foot in the simulation as you say or the natural world we miss out on so much and where we might catch the random waves of energy. And they might be an accordance with our will are goals but you can plan that out to it's not that much more complex to do so so i think thats a real great example how u can do both Absolutely thank you for sharing that it's and listen it's a hassle but this is why the house was important because if you were not making conscious efforts to disconnect, maybe this is said more so like if you want to disconnect this is one of the ways would you do it and what your doing is you are taking your mind you're taking your consciousness and you are putting its focus on something which is objectively real.

1:10:12 There's no such thing as friggin thursday thursday is a made up idea in the matrix now in the matrix it makes total sense about saying like right off thursday i'm just there's no way that's not a real thing, there's a real thing with this full moon there's a real thing where there's a new moon and when you begin to realize the matrix is. This is what i mean by creating an abstract and twisting from what the true reality is And so we begin to recognize that you don't even have like this all happens on such a deep unconscious level is why it lasts for thousands of friggin years and the fact that it doesn't seem like its big deal, is the reason why it sticks but the flip side of that story is really this simple.

1:11:02 It's really this simple of understanding this is how one of the ways it keeps you trapped into time time is one of the biggest things so time isn't made up an idea. But there is true time the sun really does rise we can all agree upon that but time itself is like you know three fourteen is totally made up, it is true within the matrix but if it was real with and how come we can have daylight savings time How can we just change it forward and backwards? How come you can have one foot in one time zone, and one foot in another time zone. It's fake! Just pointing this out to yourself

1:11:42 Reminding yourself like everything in the matrix works like on the deeper level is because you just assume it like yeah this is just the way things are, there's kind of a relativity and the fact that their folks in one part of the world or seeing the sunrise and some posts. Are not but again thats kinda abstract because u cannot actually experience until you can begin to go and see that the consciousness of your mind i suppose without using their technology What is breaking down the threads that hold our minds to seeing life when this monday in level is how you begin to free it and its not just a free it is then to tap it back into something which is objectively real.

1:12:26 And so these are all different techniques and this is like literally what you have to do, whether it's this or something else. These are the techniques that we mentioned about sharing secrets like this is what we're all doing right now I just shared with you Mike secret. I got a clue were gonna talk about this in the second half like I got a clue from my friend of mine about astrology A couple weeks ago I completely flipped by understanding to see what's actually going on And so it's like we are all in this period of, like in very practical mundane ways of working with the stuff which we work with. As we let go as we begin to see what it is to move away from the abstract and realigned to the truth This is when the rest of this stuff Like the strange letters being sent to you and then finding out your family history and like You know Which then all that does? Do you know what that did

1:13:19 I did something real for my father all of that was a story which did something real from my father and that my friends is real. All good stuff and just to kind of put a capstone on the first hour i wanted it backtracked little bit too one of these bullet points on the outline cuz it seems like the second hour is gonna be all about the tools to help us think in new ways and escape the framework that you laid out in the first hour as complex it takes an hour just to lay that foundation but, i wanted to ask you a little bit more maybe overview of how we can apply some of this to what is going on right now in the world these days its hard to talk

1:14:02 and think about events and concerns people have living in the big matrix without drifting into what you call matrix thinking. And you do say, by using matrix thinking to navigate the matrix, you will always remain within it. Clearly that makes sense but how can we get better at avoiding that pitfall specifically in these times? Will you begin to recognize all of the techniques of the matrix and their effects within you so that should be a good clue as to. The degree in which u r maybe connected impacted what's going on right now is it is a huge smoking mirrors song and dance,

1:14:53 Like it's real like they're really people like who are putting into rio action, i can't fall story line vaccine passports and the great reset all this kind of stuff that is technically real but. It might affect some peoples lives and we are in the middle of Of the last really since 1945 has been like we're in a major transition point right now with it will it last two years to months. Ten years who knows but we're in this period where everything is changing you know particularly like the new currencies, governments like new ways which people live their life the new normal

1:15:38 All of that has been the setup for this moment like this is the moment where the greatest number people are at the most prepared for us to try to pull this off. Like that's what happening right now and you know there's a storyline it says all of this is done for our growth like i think thats great if your gonna look at it, but its not real and this is whats happening What is really is being implemented it's just the foundations are true so the same thing as what i just talked about with changing the way which i still use a gregorian calendar but i use it based upon my rules and mike's rules like i'm learning to be actual moons, and sell my month begins when you're fourteen. As you begin in as we begin to recognize all of the different things which are fake about now and participate in the way u best cat

1:16:31 I'll tell you what we don't do is fight it because that's what it wants its beginning to see what it is and then put your attention elsewhere in something so you can plan right now there's no planning everything in the matrix has prepared you to prepare for your future and all this stuff i mean some people dont do that but like all of those plans are gone even if he wanted to make plans you can make plans like oh well what about i want to go take a trip six months away might not be able to travel six months from me you know all that sort of stuff Everything is in the moment right now and the only thing you can really do is realize what your participating with and also be reassured that it's not real. You can't participate in it the more you participate the more will become real so i think that's important thing, end then knowing how to go and connect understand what is real what is real no isn't funny why would you call it is real unless you want it to become

1:17:29 Real real right that's all part of the word magic you know when you take a false concept and you want people's minds to believe it's true so what is real in the natural world are things which you can see and touch experience but then you can understand it from a greater perspective so i talk about this in the video lot miss was like the beginning of all of the susquehanna mystery. What we think this is what's called the simulation it's not that it's fake it's that its not what you think it is, i don't know what it is but it works in different ways and so you can move through life you will move through life even through matrix light.

1:18:13 If you were connected to something deeper and real they do that all the time with their magic. What is words like currency that's what they use words like israel these words like this because they're trying to create there tapping into something deeper, will i got to stop it something deeper and this is a say this time in time again in the video matrix complex greater reality easy its simple The rules and the laws of the greater reality are simple in those the ones you want to integrate with what do you think a current is. What is this force that moves water,

1:18:54 Think about that when you go and think about it and this is like a big concept which you need to allow your mind to unfold into is if u stand in water and moving stream. And then you pick up some of that water bowl its the same substance except it's not moving Matrix thinking will tell you all day long that you know also it's a logical explanations of what this mysterious forces that moves water. Matrix thinking is ultimately a prison of the mind behind the truth in plain sight how do you hide truth and play inside with this naming consciousness oh this is just that yeah thats what it is so you can see your sense what that is we're living in a greater mystery

1:19:43 And the matrix lives within the greater mystery the more we begin to align our consciousness with movements of the greater mystery even if you still remain in the matrix right now we're trying to do one foot needs world i suppose this is where u receive your grounding. Because the whole thing with the matrix in the separation of naming consciousness is like you're not grounded to anything so here launch a grounded to this. Why do you think people are so terrified what they think this illness may be it's because i'm not grounded and anything we're not grounded anything you gonna go and cling to whatever make sense

1:20:27 wow well said and i really love the water example it's that naming what we name at water so you take it out of the river and still just water there is no difference but there is this quality to the current to the movement, mysterious force that pushes along that is no longer there because its just not in our language it seems frivolous and clearly isn't when you reflect on a little bit. to tie this into another show i interviewed clint richardson recently and we talked a lot about these kind of things in the context of value if you take fruit from a tree. In a grocery store that's worth like a quarter so it are matrix thinking its almost value list

1:21:09 there's a bunch of them we can always get them but when you really reflect on a banana or pineapple or an apple it's like u can't quantify the taste of it the crunch of that Wait it's created from this tree i mean you can stare and all at the tree like wow there is so much abundance being created from this plant it's actually pretty cool and none of that stuff translates to our matrix value, add it just gets everything warped and i think that's another example of. The subtleties better actually not so subtle when u dig into him get one hundred percent right When we're talking about the matrix, we're like two fish trying to describe water to each other.

1:21:55 When you begin to realize what you're saying when you begin to realize the modus operandi of how the matrix thinking works in the matrix excel works then it becomes easier and easier to recognize, i am when do you recognize more and more than just unfolds in terms of what to do with that there's nothing so much to do at first as much is like recognized all those different things i mean I brought this up many times is like actually go and think about how many stop signs you saw today. If you live in a more dense area probably some more any problem so i at least two times not three times more than what you can count because all these others that are your peripheral and then you going to extrapolate that out to lake how many stops on jc in a year and have an easy life time, end it's no it's like you know your probably approaching couple hundred thousand impressions

1:22:50 All with the exact same symbols same color same font and that's going in your consciousness like i was a big freaking deal or do you know just calm down their billboards out there they say like have a coke smile what is my. Will go back to hundred years ago how many stop signs today see in the life nine yeah any cars, I'm surprised they didn't make the stop sign a hexagon actually now that i think about it but maybe seeing big red stop signs over and over does subconsciously limit us and condition us in deeper ways than we know, how could not if we know that you learn your language not from flashcards what just being in the presence of people speaking you learned grammar you learn all these different things made perfectly

1:23:41 This is how we are this stuff has effects on us to think it doesn't have an effect on you everything everything has a bad just like what you're saying about the square rooms and soap. The point is i think right now is that we become aware of all that end in the areas that make sense to you, you be like okay i'm gonna go do this I'm consciously choosing to align my consciousness this way to something which is real something which is objective something which doesn't have a story something that. I can go and it's tangibly in my hand i'm with you man and

1:24:17 Also i just wanna add ceremony to the stack you mentioned earlier that it has to be alive but u also said this was a good tool in the outline we talk, a lot about elite ceremony around here but what would you want to say about its general purpose and what it can look like for us and maybe us creating our own ceremonies in our own lives. Great question great questions so ceremonies the first question is like how do you define ceremony what do you mean by that. So a ceremony is a conscious effort to integrate merge blend with

1:24:59 something usually something which is going to be non material i mean like the earth is material but maybe let's say you want it give us a stream whatever it is that your like okay i wanna connect with it and i wanna go through something where this will deepen my connection. Connections in quotation marks like it's like you know whatever that may mean so thats what ceremony means, And we usually think about that as a ritual or rituals type of ceremony ceremony is always like your ritual reading about these s. One's you need to connect with something to integrate but in a very general sense ceremonies are very human process and this is what we need we lost our ceremonies have been given other people's rich rules and they're usually dead when you perform a ritual

1:25:50 And it's dead it has no meaning you're not feeling it with your own life and what your life is a general desire to do it. Participate emerge without which it is dog that means it's like a it's a dead ritual today ceremony, says ceremony i think is one of the most important things and human beings are immensely creative and i think that we need to go in create our own ceremonies i think the word ceremony has like A bit of a connotation to it like a formality to it and maybe even intimidating factor someone like oh i get new ceremony on that i'm not a priest in lake no it's part of the human experience, like knowing what is that you value that u wanna connect with. You know we do a ceremony all the time you put your hand your heart me connect with the flag with your know the old pledge allegiance you know all that sort of stuff this ceremony so we need to go

1:26:48 When we move our consciousness out of the matrix world because we are constantly constantly merging with the matrix in the more we're connected to that the less we can go and move into ourselves outside of the matrix. So you ceremony in whatever settings long is it true and real and you know what your doing your creative with it, end this is how u connect applying union consciousness that union consciousness a ceremony there one of the same Choose something outside of the matrix it is immensely but i would say significant i would say its necessity in terms of being able to move outside a particular way of thinking and be.

1:27:33 Wow really really interesting i have heard people who practice magic talk about the value of creating your own feast days you know don't just go by the calendar we have all these days columbus day president stay martin luther king day there is no reason why you can take your own heroes and idols and. mark on your own calendar you know calendars but the day they were born or the day they died to create a day where you decide what is valuable and on a yearly basis you pay tribute to those qualities of those people that you appreciated i mean there's just a lot more power we. Have that just goes unrecognized even in something simple like that word is led around by what goes on in march you know what goes on and august

1:28:26 and we don't ever decide what we put value in kind of interesting. You're absolutely right i mean i personally think that what you want to merge with is like a force of force of the greater reality, no beyond like a story or person because there's something very very deep intangible choice it doesn't have to be my opinion but its not like what we think of this Religious sort of thing it is a conscious way in which you're going to go and blend we talked about the current earlier like in no missing words.

1:29:08 From my experience my conclusion my opinion is that the current like the literal current which you just don't think it's a big deal is just the way water moves thats one of most important things in this entire planet. It is what is the living symbol but you can hold a current, can touch occur and its not a thing but it moves water it moves life to me a ceremony will you blend with that That makes the most amount of sense to me because you are blending with the unfolding of life You don't know what holds before you but you were saying like let me go and blend with that I think things like that are immensely Are the most powerful things? That one can do their ceremony too So for people who are maybe struggling with how to do that practically. Are you talking about meditation, I guess that depends, you know

1:30:11 i'm not create my own ceremonies all the time so this is what i mean by alive what's important to you, what are the things that you place value on and you work with those i mean ceremony can be meditation but you know. I'm a little bit more material physical symbolism tell you when u. There something which i offer it's called the susquehanna mystery ceremony And it's a way which people connect with the susquehanna river to oldest kernel plan. So all this current on the planet you can understand what that implies will then no good so the question is like ok i want to go and have an experience in your know did obviously could do whatever u want yourself for lake on the river to yourself but what i did was, i made a quilt i mean felted quilts

1:31:06 I'm really talented with my hands to make all sorts of crafts i made a belted quilt of the susquehanna and it's replica. It's in harmony you know i knew what i was doing it looks like it is sympathetic representation of the susquehanna river even more so for the current, what is actually moving the water And so I created a ceremony, which I do for people. And what that ceremony includes is it's the placing of stones in certain places like the map like there's a certain place with the Susquehanna River that's where Herkimer diamonds are and there's another place where all of the anthracite on the planet comes from and I've got examples of those and we placed that on the corresponding places on the map and then I've got other things that I value other stones which have collected along my ways

1:31:53 And we more or less, we reconnect. We build a layer on top of that quilt all these quartz crystal points on top of the actual river portion and you know the land portion as the stones and we do some other things and then you know we really make it a rich experience There's a ceremony Probably in my opinion the most beautiful thing a human being can do is probably sing to something there's something magical about the human voice when it sings its in every culture seems to recognize that when we say something very special happens, you know i think that probably is added. There's a song as a song and this has been a mystery ceremony that is for certain

1:32:42 Right on well that is a great example of creating your own ceremony and hopefully people reflect on their own lives in their own values and find a way to take that template and apply it to something they care about. I think thats fantastic Right on. Well, this has all been really insightful coming in on three hours at this point. Geez! And it flew by so fast before we go we also got to talk about ways people can add some value to your life For all the great stuff you share with us, I noticed your website has gotten a refresh. You're offering a new type of Biomancy session. You still have the subscribe star but talk to us about the ways people can show their appreciation to you

1:33:29 I thank you for this opportunity and thank you for everyone who's lasted three hours like this is all over the place alright so definitely i would appreciate. All support which i can get you know whether that's financial or not you know we're all kind of supporting each other the more, which i am supported the more i can put out better quality stuff to reach more people and also they said i still want to go in do stuff in person so My anticipation particularly as it gets warm the summer is to do more things on the road so that being said like, first place you know just go to youtube thats there's a lot of really really good material out there.

1:34:12 Going forward i'm putting about half a video on youtube and have one subscribe star the subscribe stars real important if i can get that to where i needed to be that will definitely allow me to go and do more higher quality videos plus you got like you know insider stuff, i do my monthly ceremonies with the subscribes are also so thats great place. You mentioned the website you mention the website you mentioned the bio mancy services Probably in between from us recording and this being released i'm changing all of that i've been in the process of chick once a year i change all the services it's like you want to do open then i come up with new ones. And so about come out with a whole bunch really good services go there i'm calling sky man see now and stealing more objective reality,

1:35:02 That sheet Greg which I made for you, i'll make those for other people and explain how to use it. How is beneficial what they can how they can use this to really move throughout the matrix of got a whole bunch of services like any sort of one on one work you go to Susquehanna alchemy and you could find that there And then what i'm really excited about and are you in front of the computer right now. I go type up susquehanna alchemy dot threadless dot com or if your own my website with a t-shirt sorry, i just opened up a teacher chop And stickers and i'll be the first one to say it like I'm not exactly the most unbiased critic but my stuff's pretty fantastic. Yes, i'm looking at right now seen you make a lot of images with this aesthetic and its cool to see it on some shirts. Well they're like eight different designs i got the art on there i got the prints i got the stickers there is a whole bunch really interesting things are not gonna find anywhere

1:36:02 Yes i really like the john one time traveler on the johnny one time travel i like that logo i noticed that in your signature and i was like wow thats so perfect for him i don't know where he got or did that artwork but it's really good james turrick is a listener and i did a session with them He did that, he made that for me. And so it's like I try to have fun and like the stickers so that's a great fun way which people can support me too go there get assured get a sticker That would be fantastic send me an email I rarely respond to comments Like anything which is posted online unless you're subscribed star But if you got a website and send me an email like always respond all those love to hear from people this lot of fun

1:36:47 That's what i think i get the most out of doing this is cuz i really do like interacting with people and so i welcome that opportunity. Awesome well man it is always a pleasure i'm just such a big fan of how you see the world and tie things together so an overview of all that stuff in a show about helping more people adopt the tools and techniques and mindset that you have I think thats really much appreciated and im glad we've become such friends over this whole journey you are one of the greats and thanks again take care out there thank you for having me thank you greg and all the listeners thank you too. And boom goes that dynamite in here three hour episode with a great michael wan trying to get deeper into the head of the man who is taught us so much,

1:37:43 Talk about how he sees the structure of reality because an effective symbols and consciousness in synchronicity philosophy that drives him. Was fun i'm really glad we could try to go about it this way i think we started pretty fundamental, we took a long time to lay the base and i can't expect mike to know what this audience has heard and what level everyone is at Plus it's also good to be reminded of ideas that are easy to forget and so often drift into the background or we tend to overlook them while we go through our day-to-day life. But because we took quite a bit of time to establish that base I just kept pushing where we would end the free show, because i wanted to give you guys a little bit more and well... We ended up with a pretty long one and The Second Hour is definitely awesome!

1:38:40 There were so many interesting things said. I don't think i've ever really thought about Apocalypse phonetically being a match for Epoch, Eclipse one era ending one beginning definitionally sure but it's interesting to see it work phonetically too pretty much. I like that idea that a changing of the guard is the best opportunity to break out when the elite play a big hand yeah a lot of people comply and are driven further away from the rest of us and a lot of other people finally start to tumble down the rabbit hole in reverse engineer hey wait a minute if this was alive what else could be alive, i had this in my notes i don't think it got brought up in the interview itself i hate repeat myself if you did but. It's the credo or the mission statement that mike has added to his website recently buddy says

1:39:33 The purpose of Sesquohanna Alchemy is not to provide solutions, but to teach how to identify and avoid the traps of the sick and clever system. And inspire our collective remembering of a harmonious plentiful and completely different way to experience life on and with Earth." That's well said! I think it's pretty clear talking to Mike that that mission statement permeates through pretty much all the work that Mike's done. It's also great to see him and Ross Ben doing shows together, and comparing notes on this stuff! Be on the lookout for that if you're curious I think you can find it on either one of their YouTube channels Also Mike made a really interesting point about current and currency And the movement of currency...I think maybe that was a second hour thing now that i think about it but

1:40:27 Maybe part of the success of this show is that I was lucky enough to happen to peg it to marijuana. Something real, something potent and natural. Something that has risen in popularity almost right along with the show funny enough A show that breaks down to THC driven by topics that are inspired by the qualities of the plant's wisdom in a lot of ways Happy accident Maybe that's why apple is so successful and like he said amazon so many brands that attach to natural things i don't know how we explain samsung or sony but i think there something there, maybe mechanical companies in tech companies are successful by paying themselves to something dead since they are at the apex of the anti life agenda.

1:41:18 Obviously i'm just spitballing here my thoughts are not nearly as well developed as our guests but do what i can and speaking of our guests i know that every listener cannot support every person i bring on it would be pretty crazy. Mike operates in a unique subject matter where a book might not be the right vehicle for him he has a subscribe star but that sort of thing like patreon is much better for what i do constant stream, reoccurring stuff my can't put these epic breakdowns and connections together at the same pace.

1:41:54 but he does offer personal readings which is honestly the best win-win for someone who respects his work and perspective, wants to support him and wants to get some insight that applies to them specifically. So really if you think of Mike as one of your top tier types of guests help contribute to him staying in the game because you know as well as I how niche his stuff can be I've always tried to make sure we put supporting the guests as part of the recipe it's actually really frustrating when i see other shows that don't even put the guest name in the title of the episode they don't even put the links and show notes. Whatever this is a song about them with the song about me,

1:42:40 And the internet crackdown has really just brought to the forefront of my mind how important that is, that for so many different subject areas we only have a handful of high-level operators. A handful can be pretty close to none So what would we do for these sorts of subjects without Mike and Ross Benn and Chris Knowles? My job would be a lot harder if I wanted to have a synchromistic piece of the pie, that's for sure But it's true for many different subject areas. It is usually less than 10 great people, maybe it's true for podcast too you be the judge but stakes are higher than they were in 2010 and was all fun and games for me back then but I have doubled down on this field its been amazing it was totally my choice

1:43:30 But it's also feeling more risky and vulnerable now, and I kind of put myself out there hoping i could do the best job. I could find an audience and then trust this new network of anonymous people to not let me fall. Trust that I've provided them with enough high-level content and value that in return they won't let me slip through the cracks or let the censorship hammer destroy my life. And that has worked out really well so far Things have been pretty easy to date but we will see how that holds up in the next decade or two and it isn't just about me but all our great guests i put them under the umbrella we need to. Stand together the plus show almost every single episode does offer listeners a lot more of the free show is really just a proof-of-concept long form preview,

1:44:22 In today's episode with mike we got into techniques to recalibrate consciousness outside of the matrix, why the zodiac is in the federal reserve building and three other official government buildings in washington dc matrix astrology verse natural astrology bollam and blm current and currency see there we go there it is. How living outside of the Matrix might be different than the stereotype of a proper survivalist. Do we really need food as much as The Matrix has us believe? That's a weird one, comes up more and more. Mike's radical thoughts on the moon very fun! The value of ceremony and bringing it into our own life all kinds of good stuff I don't know how to put a price on this sort of material but $8 a month seems fair

1:45:14 I know you know that i don't know you personally so it's easy to just say well he's not talking me but hey, i am talking to you if more big operations like what is happened in the last year and a half continue to happen where would you be without the. Rolodex of alternative podcasts and news sources that u enjoy think about that If you're not supporting your top five, I don't think you're doing it right. And I hope i'm in that top five but if I am help me prepare to weather any storm that might come my way before its right on my doorstep because im out here guys! You didn't ask me to do this but you have participated and if you can't be as bold and exposed in your own life because of friends or family or work thats all good But you can quietly support my willingness to let it all hang out

1:46:08 on your behalf, right? So look in the show notes. The link to sign up for PLUS is always going to be right at the top. Bada bing bada boom! And I'll see you on the other side. Big thanks again to Mike and to you guys for sticking with me. I'm gonna get out of here. I've done my part. Your move Matrix makers attention takers and illusion fakers. You're fucking... Watch out! We can't stand around scamming

1:48:06 I'm gonna take none of your proven wrongs And I can't stand no one putting me down I spy on you, I see your mind

1:49:18 The high sides spell on you. You're not afraid to do the time, yeah! Yeah! Oh!