Mary Joyce | Secret Bases, Little People, & Skyships Over Cashiers

00:05 Puppet masters almost surely have a- There's clearly maybe something there beyond And until you've thoroughly tested every last course Just think you know the less you really do That's true, Dr. Seuss! Edward without THC Cause we know they're lying to us just don't know them Without THC The higher side chat show How's it going Hireside Chatters? Anyone who swam in the deep end of the weird pool has inevitably come across stories of aliens, UFOs and secret military bases in the southwestern United States. Whether it be crash saucers near Roswell, secret underground otherworldly battles at Dulce or a doomsday safe haven for the elite underneath the Denver airport... The western frontier is ripe with weirdness! This We Know

01:08 And many of us who have dug into the archives of early America have also found plenty of confirmation that giants once walked these lands, with evidence in dozens and dozens of newspaper reports and Native American legends that state the same. Well, the fun thing about today's show is we're not going over these same old stories. In fact we're doing a complete geographical 180 because while everyone has their conspiracy spotlight shining on the New Mexico desert they are missing all of the sweet sweet similar secretive stuff going on in the polar opposite part of the country- The mountains of North Carolina And while giants tend to dominate the narrative of strange ancient humanoids there are lesser discussed legends of little people living in that same Carolina area

01:46 And lucky for us, today's guest Mary Joyce is a long time journalist and author who has written several books but among them are two we're planning on detailing today. Cherokee Little People Were Real and Underground Military Bases Hidden in the North Carolina Mountains She also is the editor of the website Sky Ships Over Cashiers which details UFO activity in the area and more It's an honor and pleasure! Mary Joyce welcome to The Higher Side Thank you. It's a pleasure to be on your show, thank you! Yeah this is really exciting so often we hear the same old stories from the same old places but I'm looking forward to something new let's kick this off maybe talking about the area in general as a hotbed for strangeness how did you come to recognize all this stuff going on in the Carolina region what were some of the first oddities that you noticed once you moved into the area?

02:35 Well, I moved here in 1998 and I live just south of the Smoky Mountain National Park if that gives people an idea of the geography. And so there's mountains everywhere. The job that I had for quite a number of years is I kept meeting very interesting people. Initially some of the stories started just by talking to people where I worked Through them, I began to find out about Cherokee little people that lived here in the mountains. About giants and underground facilities and UFOs. Eventually it inspired a website we started in 2008 which you have mentioned already called Sky Ships Over Cachers. We deal with those kinds of subjects as well as many other subjects

03:20 Regular media just simply doesn't cover. Mm hmm, yeah it's so weird that there is such a Pandora's box of strangeness there but let's get into the military bases maybe to start because these secret facilities they always intrigue me can you tell us how many you've uncovered in that area and where they might be? I've done a book, and the long title is Underground Military Bases Hidden in North Carolina Mountains. And I featured five different facilities here in the mountains – the one that anybody familiar with would be the Smoky Mountain National Park and there is one that's beneath there. It's one of the more recent ones because people have gotten photos that I have been able to acquire from basically 2012 where you know major equipment is being dropped from the air to this site where we know the entrance is our best way

04:18 Witnesses have had military background, so they're able to identify machine guns and helicopters and transport planes. They know a lot that the average witness or eyewitness wouldn't know. So they are very credible witnesses that I've been able to quote in the book. Mm hmm, you mentioned the Smoky Mountain National Park having a facility under there? There's also one I believe Mount Mitchell is that a separate facility? Yes, some people believe and there's evidence that it might be true that these various facilities beneath the mountains here in North Carolina are all connected by underground tunnels and transportation portals, you might say.

05:01 So, they're not adjacent to each other but they're not that far apart. Mount Mitchell is the tallest mountain east of the Mississippi and there is a large facility beneath that and again we had a military person who was a key witness in giving us information about them And do we know how deep any of these facilities are? Have any of the witnesses been able to disclose that kind of info? Yes, there's quite a variety. The first facility that I learned about was called the Perry Astronomical Research Institute It's gone back to the days of the Cold War and supposedly they transformed it into just an educational astronomy place. But we have people with high security clearance who say that it is a facility that city size, its six stories deep, its totally self-sufficient has electricity water roadways and we hear that with most of these so they're extensive not just like a little bunker

06:04 The one that is the biggest seems to be beneath Mount Mitchell, and that is supposedly 20 stories deep from the top of the mountain. Wow! I mean...that's huge! And I've also got a note here apparently that this Mount Mitchell facility might be controlled or at least facilitating UN troops? This is one of the things that has puzzled me since I first moved to the mountains again in 1998. And people would periodically talk about foreign troops being in the mountains around here and it always puzzled me why that was even permitted, and I found out that in 1972 our country when Nixon was president signed The World Heritage Treaty

06:50 And when we did that, we actually turned over parcels of our land to the United Nations. Mount Mitchell is one of those. The Smoky Mountain National Park is one of those so even though it's in our country and even though our taxes may support the facilities there for tourists, It's still owned by the UN and that can explain why they have free reign at places like Mount Mitchell Around here, they're known as blue hats. I thought that was really interesting. I did not know much about the World Heritage Treaty at all but apparently the northwestern Hawaiian Islands which is 140 thousand square miles went under UN jurisdiction in 2010 then in 2014 the monumental earthworks of Poverty Point Louisiana was added and since then several more things have been added does this concern you? What do you think the implications are of this what why is this happening

07:46 It goes beyond our country and I find it rather creepy that the UN is having control over so many places around the world. 140,000 acres is no small thing. Personally, I think we made a mistake. The motivation originally was just to protect natural resources like the islands like Mount Mitchell but its being used for military causes that our country doesn't even have control over. So I wish it didn't exist, I wish we could unsign it." Well, I think it says a lot that these bases wherever in the country we're talking about are considered to be under national parks because driving through some of these areas you look at the way the country has been run how they operate with this extreme capitalist mindset completely alright with destroying the earth and i've often looked at these places these tens thousands of square acres and I'm kind of impressed that we haven't just harvested all and put in some suburbs

08:46 It's pretty amazing we've resisted the temptation and greed, you know. But the altruism kind of falls apart when you consider the reason these areas might be largely blocked off from civilization is so they can conceal operations underground more than anything else. Yeah I can give you another one one of the basis that I've written about in the book is at Sugarloaf Mountain. Well, Sugarloaf Mountain is near a almost adjacent to Chimney Rock Park which is another park where tours like to go and since I first began doing that research they even acquired more land as a buffer between the entrance that we know about which is at the top of this Sugarloaf Mountain

09:29 the Chimney Rock Park. So it's a buffer that keeps people away from it and they seem to do this a lot just to insulate it, keep people off of the property and they also do things that you know keep people away from even wanting to go there when I was investigating things that were going on at Mount Mitchell I found it on Google Maps and it was a hexagon shape that looked like entrances to other facilities we had seen. When I went back to try to get the map up again, when I would type in this location

10:14 it wouldn't come up. And the only way you can find it, was at the end of a road... let's see if I remember the name It was like Wart Wilson Road which is a terrible sounding name and when I would type that in suddenly instead of getting the map like I had been able to do the first few times I got connections to Walmarts, I got connections to wart removal products Just on memory, I started searching from other points and eventually found where this hexagon shape was in the ground. It was all covered up – airbrushed out so it looked like there were trees there now.

10:54 So, there were signs all around that place when I went there on foot telling you not to trespass and very threatening signs. And so they do everything they can to keep people away from these places. Yeah one interesting testimony I had written down here that's kind of in that vein is one of your witnesses said One day, some friends of ours drove ATVs on the one-way section of Hentouga Road from the hatchery of Big Cove Road in Cherokee. After they'd ridden three or four miles up the road they were stopped by park rangers who were carrying either M4's or AR15 machine guns." I mean what are park rangers doing with machine guns? Right you just really really have to wonder part of that same story well i can share more that because that even gets expanded sure these

11:43 Two gentlemen that worked at the fish hatchery, which would be like at the bottom of a mountain... At the top of the mountain there's this road called Hind Tuga Road. I'm sure it is an old Indian name and that is the closest point to the entrance to this underground facility, so the water stopped flowing like it should from you know the tributary into the fish hatchery. So these two guys started going up through the creek to find out if beavers or something had stopped the flow of the water They eventually found that the tributary, or the source of the water at the top of mountain was all dried up. Not only was it all dried up but there was a 50 thousand gallon water tank mostly buried where that

12:29 reservoir had been and there were pipes going from that tank down into the ground. So, the water was being siphoned off and funneled into the ground so that had to be a source of water for what was being and may be continuing to be built under the Smoky Mountain National Park. That's the most lively one because there was a lot of activity going on especially in 2012-2013 with major drops by military, Osprey sky cranes you know big huge cargo transport planes and they literally would airdrop major what they call packages down into the area where this entrance would be. There's been a lot of things that have been seen there's also been things felt from beneath the ground people hear sounds they hear grounding grinding they hear

13:25 like industrial pounding. And there's no explanation for it other than something is going on beneath the ground. Yeah, and you mentioned those airdrops. There's a picture you have in the book of a cargo plane carrying like a Humvee and that's just so crazy that they would need that in the mountainous areas of North Carolina but We're talking about incentives for people to not go there, you know intimidating signs, intimidating Mounties with machine guns. Apparently you've also talked about this people repellent they seem to be using to keep people away? That I've experienced myself. I've gotten real close to the PERI facility which is the Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute

14:11 And I've been there with each time with other people and the closer you get to it, it's like feel...I don't even know how to describe it but it's like this vibration in your head. It's not pleasant and it makes you want to get out of there. Then we had another military witness who went up to take pictures of a monument that is near Hind Toogie Road which was back to the Smoky Mountain National Park And she said the birds were singing on the way up there. The sun was shining, it was a beautiful day and as she got close to this place all the birds stopped singing She began to feel you know sensations in her head She began to feel nauseous and that's what I mean by people repelling It seems to be an electronic vibration that sent out that repels the animals and people

15:03 just because it's not pleasant. Yeah, that is so wild but we have heard people talk about that stuff before now this Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute this is pretty interesting and I've heard you talk about it before saying that its an invite only astronomical kind of research facility Have you been able to talk to any astronomers or any scientists who have been able to get invites there? It's very strange. Sometimes you can walk in the door and there is not a problem, and some people have experienced that. Some days people have been at the gate and there has been somebody dressed in a swat suit at the entrance so it may depend totally on what's going on. Sometimes we'll see UFOs flying low near that facility or flying into a lake that's near

15:53 Sometimes you see military vehicles in the town that's closest to it, but technically there is no base in the area. There should be no reason that they're there. It's used as a camouflage. They say this astronomical facility is...that all it is. But we think of very much as a cover-up. We call it a capstone cover up because it's not what it appears to be." Can you tell us about some of the UFOs that have been sighted around there? Are they classical shapes or are they anything abnormal from what's typically reported in UFO 101. Well, let me get back to the name of the website we initially named it skyships over cashers dot-com because we were getting some pretty incredible information and photos over that mountain ridge and

16:47 As the crow flies, that's not that far from Perry. So if you're talking about different kinds of spaceships we have seen incredible ones. We've seen your typical saucer ones we've seen those that look like rotating rainbow colors. We've seen them diamond shaped The most unusual one and we've only been able to get pictures of this I think on 1 or 2 occasions they actually look like big rocks almost like volcanic rocks, but they're UFOs. And the sky and we have that's the only time we've ever experienced that and they're hovering there so it's not like it's a meteorite or something flying across the sky. Since we've had the website for so many years now I can't necessarily tell you exactly where to go but

17:42 in the archives of skyship photos. Those pictures are there... I think it was last year, but there may still be some from this year. Wow! Asteroid-looking crafts. Do you think these in any way could be perhaps hologram tests like the floating cities we've seen or the rumors of blue beam technology? Or do you think these were actual ships? I think those would probably be something actual because if they're going to do holograms, I think they're going to try and broadcast something that people will instantly recognize as a UFO. So I don't think that particular one would have been a hologram. Now I know that hologram technology is being used so I'm not dismissing that but people have seen some of these go right into the lake

18:33 So you just, most of them have got to be real. Well yeah sure strange ships that come out of the water or seem to come out of the base of mountains are talked about all the time in ufology but I'm starting to think that there might be something even weirder going on in the UFO realm than just aliens but kudos for you for bringing to light some areas that are just really off-the-radar and it's where you gotta look because other sites and locations are just too overblown But people seeing all sorts of UFOs in the sky, that's definitely noteworthy. But assuming this tech might be beyond human hands have any people reported interactions with the potential pilots of these crafts or any beings that might be related to them? Let's see I don't know exactly how to answer that for the most part no we do have one witness who lives up in Cachers and has seen quite a few of them and she did

19:32 someone that looked like they were dressed in a maroon space suit that briefly appeared in her house and she's had a UFO hover over her backyard. So, that most likely would be an interdimensional being making its appearance. Mm-hmm So we kind of mentioned that these things are under the National Parks Do you find this suspicious at all because there are people like David Politis talking about disappearances in the parks? Do you think there's any conjunction with that or they're a lot of missing people cases in these areas That's something that I haven't investigated In a big way, but I do have a new angle on it and

20:11 We did a story rather recently. We were contacted by a man in eastern Tennessee And he said that he had little people living on his land. He sounded very credible on the phone, so we followed through on it and went to visit him and that story in of itself gets rather elaborate but um... he has about 200 acres on a river in rolling mountain type country. His family goes back 200 years at least and the little people have always lived on his land own lineage is back to the Uche Indians who, believe it or not are actually

20:55 white people who fled Ireland back in, let's see 2250 BC when there was a major flood there. We just found out this recently from a major researcher and these Irish people fled to many places just to get out of the flood and some of them ended up in Savannah Georgia then they would take the river up to the more mountain area And as a tribe, they pretty much have disappeared because they look so much like regular Western people. Now when you think about it the Irish have always talked about the little people. Well this researcher who I won't get into credentials right now but that person has good credentials

21:41 Maybe some of those little people came with them because there was this bond between the original Uchi Indians and these little people. And this man that invited us there had some Uchi blood, and he his father his grandfather all could communicate with the little people. When I went there, I had my camera of course, we found evidence of the little people So the little people say that there is a race of aliens that are very evil and they actually eat people.

22:18 And that is like a nourishment, that this particular group of ETs call the earth the farm or the ranch. I know isn't it creepy? They like two year olds they like little people I guess they're more tasty and so the little people on this man's land are very very afraid of them So that might be a very unusual possible explanation for the unusual number of disappearances that Paul talks about. Wow, so these aliens that feed on us were they described at all? Are they reptilian are they the greys? They seem to be well...they're creepy I haven't seen one! The description it was given to us by the little people is that they look kind of like

23:05 a cross between reptilian and dinosaurs. And they're very large, and they call them the dominators. That's what the little people call them. Wow! I know this gets into such deep craziness that you just go, I can't believe this but... You know? I was able to get pictures of the little people footprints I mean, we could go off in a whole direction on that. You decide where you want to go with this conversation. I've got more conversation than will fit in your hour." Absolutely! Well, I do find it intriguing when people talk about reptilians

23:41 If you look at our past, we had a planet dominated by large reptiles. Is it super implausible that there could be some type of intelligent humanoid form of that? We live in a world dominated by mammals today and yet here we are, intelligent mammals of some types I find those kind of stories really interesting. Well there's certainly evidence all over the country that has been found about giants There's been several books that have come out in very recent years exposing the Smithsonian because there are all sorts of stories in old newspapers going back to like the 1800s talking about giant skeletons that they found and they would give them to the Smithsonian thinking that was the smartest place for them to be sent. And then, they kind of disappeared into the closets at the Smithsonian and just like they didn't exist people say it's

24:33 The idea of giants disrupts the ongoing history that's taught to all of us. But there has been so much evidence that they clearly existed. Yeah, I've had researchers talk about the idea A lot of things happen in ancient america that we aren't aware of and when they're building things like even shopping malls or museums or universities, they purposely place these things in areas that will obscure or completely cover up and level.

25:08 ancient sites or any sites that give us clues to what was here before us because no one's ever gonna move a shopping mall or university so if you can get it over one of these places I mean, you're never going to see it again and I'm kind of curious. I wonder if that kinda thing really does happen? Or how widespread is this? It continues to go on but sometimes for just monetary reasons One other people that uh... is in the construction business He was preparing land for a major enterprise. When they cut into the side of the mountain, they found five of the Little People tunnels and quickly

25:47 were instructed to cover them up and keep digging because they didn't want the project to be stopped. Because technically, if there's an archaeological find it has to be stopped until an archaeologist can get in there and examine what's being found. And that is a very common reason for things to be plowed over just pure monetary reasons. Right yeah who knows how many times you know, a contractor has said you know what let's just pretend we didn't see that because they're going to have all this red tape. They're gonna bring everybody down here so I mean there are so many different levels of incentivization to not disclose some kind of really anomalous fine like that it's pretty sad and it's not just pure monetary situations there is a university here called Western Carolina University which is in the same general area where all these things are being found

26:42 and I focused on it in my book, Cherokee Little People Were Real. And what happened in that case is the university didn't want to stop expanding and building buildings so they would try to keep this hush-hush. One of the interesting stories that's come out since I did the book...I got a letter from a man who had been a student there and he said one day he and some of his buddies were just down by the river And they saw the head of security for the university coming by with a box he described as a little bit bigger than a shoebox. And somehow, they got into a conversation with this man and he said oh it's bones that they found when they were you know digging this particular site and he was taking them to rebury them on an old ATV trail

27:37 So that was another example of ancient knowledge being covered up for real human reasons. Right, man I definitely think that's fascinating and I plan to get into a little more of the Little People stuff here in a minute but one other question about these underground bases is Have you heard any reports if we don't have a whole lot of interaction with aliens in the area or massive abductions other than these beings that might be eating us, have you heard any testimony of non-human entities operating in these underground bases and the same way we've heard stories of Dulce? The simple answer is no. I do not know why we do not hear abduction stories here. If they're going on were not hearing about them

28:25 I did have a witness who, as a young man worked at a Christmas tree farm near the Perry Center. And the people that worked at the tree farm sometimes saw them carry in caged animals into this facility. Now at one time this was a defense operation during the Cold War and now it's passed off as an astronomy educational place. Why would animals in cages be taken into such a place? from one of the witnesses who again at one point had high security clearance said that there are experiments of that kind going on.

29:04 People are being involved in this, we just don't hear about it. I do not know the closest i can come to is one of the witnesses worked for social services or of some kind and he would get occasionally cases of satanic ritual abuse cases and when these cases would come up the state FBI would get involved they would come in His whole case would be taken away from him and everybody would be shut up about it. So that was happening in the little town that's closest to the Perry facility so maybe there are human experimentations going on but we only have those kind of indirect

29:50 indications that that might be the case. They also, the same people at the tree farm also saw them sometimes digging pits out in the land around the facility. And you have to wonder why? Yeah and you mentioned satanic ritual abuse these things all seem to come together and many, many cases. And I've heard you say you don't really like to get into the dark and creepy but there's plenty of indications that there is dark and creepy yes yeah yeah i mean government experiments with the occult that seems to be a big thing especially a few decades ago

30:36 Having this connection to UFOs, it seems strange that again the term satanic ritual abuse comes up in one of these areas where there's secret government facilities and UFOs. It just seems like a paranormal soup that always comes together. And its possible that same things aren't going on at every facility Like, from my own research I can only speak to the Perry Center. I haven't heard stories like that associated with the Smoky Mountain National Park or Mount Mitchell or Sugarloaf Mountain or even there's a facility that's been sited in, let's see, Linville Gorge but that's the only one where you hear the creepy side of it. Can you tell us about the testimony of, I believe you're referring to him as Hawk?

31:23 Yes, now he's the man who was our key witness with Mount Mitchell. Now what do you want to know? What were some of his disclosures because he seems to be one of the ones who has given you most detail He was in the medical field when he retired and still had a lot of energy and decided that he would volunteer for the National Guard here in North Carolina in their medical unit because he had been during the Vietnam War and he also was in a related medical field. When he went there, they accepted him but they put him to work doing undercover surveillance because he had FBI and Army intelligence clearance so he's the one who ended up with a squad of men, a small squad surveilling Mount Mitchell

32:17 There's so much I've got to figure out how to tell it simply. At one point he himself saw the side of the mountain open, which was big enough for tanks to go into and he said that he also saw it when it was shut and even though he knew it was there, he could see no sign that it was there. So these camouflage they do on some of these entrances is quite extensive Wow, open like the side of a mountain. Of course we mentioned earlier UFO stories coming out of the mountains Do you know how it opens or closes? Is it like a garage door or something more sophisticated

32:56 From what I can gather, it's kind of like a garage door. I don't know if it goes up on the pulleys just the way it does in your own garage but its along those lines and when its closed, it blends right in with the side of the mountain. You'll find similar things stories out in the west too where things disappear into mountains and it's just you know hidden Garage door opening right, right and I also wrote down one of the quotes of testimony It was that somebody had told you that they have an ex-military friend who now works for the National Park Service Who told them they're not allowed to even ask about any of the unusual? Activity at the park did this particular witness tell you about what they mightn't have meant when they said unusual activity. I'm sure just the things we're talking about but anything specific They saw

33:48 Why don't I tell your listeners about how that whole story started, because it started right off on the deep end. This man who was retired military, I had known through my own work and so he let me know about it. And I trusted him because I'd known him long before he had experienced any of this and he and his wife were parked at a place to get gas or coke right at the intersection of 441 and 74 which is south of Cherokee And while they were parked there, there was this big truck tractor trailer truck and on the back of it with some very unusual equipment. He said from his experience it looked like a decontamination chamber and that was from you know what he knew there is a picture of in the book that I have so they he's very friendly and outgoing any went up and talk to the driver

34:47 She said that she was there waiting for five other trucks and their escort, and they were taking equipment to Newfound Gap Road which connects North Carolina with Gatlinburg Tennessee. Then from there the equipment would be airdropped at an undisclosed location. Well she told him quite a bit He was very curious, so at a distance he followed all of this. The five other trucks arrived and they all had tarps over the equipment, all had USAF or United States Air Force on the tarps and the escorts arrived – they were white SUV's – and the men in those

35:31 SUVs were in black garb and had weapons. So this man that we call Clark followed this caravan, and it ended up in a place called Smokemont Campground. And as soon as all the trucks went through the gate into that campground, the gate was closed. Well, that campground is really very, very close to the entrance which is on Hind Hoogie Road. So it's probably the nearest place they can transport that heavy equipment. It's also in that same direction that repeatedly people have seen these cargo planes and Ospreys and Skycranes carrying large equipment.

36:15 So, there's a lot of evidence that something very real is going on. And people will see SUVs white usually with plates that only have numbers on them and they have no identifying tag on them and they'll just be pulled off somewhere on the edge of a dirt road. Wow. And the things you said about UN troops, I mean that's so fascinating in the blue hats because I've had researchers talk about the narrative that we're getting now with the police shooting things it's going on they've said that it's all gonna come to a head where they are trying to put out into culture that the police force is not equipped handle what's going on or their under trained this and whatever... And they'll have to bring these other troops Exactly Alright let's go back to Mt Mitchell

37:03 When Hawk was doing the observation of that area, there was another group that was at a town just to the east of Mount Mitchell called Marion. They were there and witnessed 20-25 tanks being wheeled off a train. They were loaded onto big trucks and then they were taken up to the top of Mount Mitchell. There's only two roads, as I understand it from the witness and those were being guarded at every point Those tanks went up the mountain and were never seen again. The trucks were never seen again, so they disappeared into that garage door we were talking about and never came down in any conventional fashion. He said that they were painted like undercoating. In other words they could be painted again it was like primer on them at that point couldn't be identified as Army UN or whatever but they went into that facility

38:08 Wow, man it makes you wonder. It seems like these things go a little beyond the description of a typical military exercise. It seems like some type of preparation. That's the way it sounds to me and we had a witness who was at Cherokee tribal offices and they were in one room and it was adjacent to the office of the chief. Well, the walls were thin enough and they were close enough to the wall that they could hear part of the conversation and at this point I can't quote it for you but uh...they heard these officials come in and talk to the chief and told them explain to him what would happen if there was some kind of emergency and how they would take him to an underground facility for his protection

38:53 Hmm, interesting. Yeah it seems like there's a certain class of people that have this... They have the right to be in! Exactly yeah this escape plan that the rest of us just don't have That's correct And I know you've talked about people coming to you with information since writing the book about these underground bases is there anything that you've heard recently about these basins that's intrigued you? Yeah well there's one that i haven't even started working on I haven't even transcribed it yet. Then, I got some stuff in the mail with more information and we have another third person but in the area of Chimney Rock there are major military people buying houses around there and when I talk about major people, I'm talking about even people who are high up in the Pentagon

39:44 And they don't live there most of the time. So, they're buying these real expensive homes and I'm talking palatial mountain cabin homes with great vistas and all of that. They're only there for just a short period of time. They don't even live there all the time but why are so many military people living around these places. Some of these facilities, maybe not just here but other places will also be like adjacent to things like golf courses where the elite can live without being really noticed and if necessary they could easily get into one of those facilities

40:21 Wow, yeah that's interesting. You always got to look at what the people who have insider information might be doing and that's very curious that they're all coming there I'm sure they're going too many other places too but... And also cashers and highlands are where the rich come They usually tend to live there in the summer months and when it gets cold here on mountains they go back to flatland In fact one of the people we contacted once was involved with developing the Hubble telescope. He was very old at the time we met him, but he lives up there. Carter, the former president, he has vacationed up there and has friends up there. It's a high income area.

41:05 Wow, and I'm also curious. This is kind of a detour but i'm curious about this object that you photographed in the orbit of the sun or in the eye side of the sun what does it do? I think your calling it the blue moon Okay, it's at two levels. In our section called Skyship Photos we have what we have called the Blue Moon thing where there no matter when it is when... We've done this since 2009 taking photos And there will be this orb that will usually be there in the middle of day that you can catch on your camera, not with your bare eye. Sometimes it will disappear into the heart of the sun or the brightness of the sun and then pop out again

41:51 That is one type of photo and your listeners can find that under Skyship Photos on our website. There's another section on the website called Global Links, where you'll find some of these phenomenal photos from satellite NASA satellite photos and a man from the Netherlands contacted us back in I think it was 2013. And he was able to what he calls dust and clean these photos so that you can see a lot of the detail well these are monster, monster, monster ships that will appear around the Sun they're bigger than Jupiter which is you know the biggest planet we have really? And when those shots are cleaned up

42:38 You can see the very mechanical structure of it. I encourage people to go to the global links section on the website, and again it's called skyshipsovercachers.com Those photos began to come in I'm pretty sure it was 2013. So, 2013 14 and 15 if you just scroll through those sections You can stop at the photos that catch your eye There's quite a few of them that we've been able to get yeah, I did like the photos I saw there some of them are more intriguing than others But there's definitely a couple that you're like wow I don't know what that could be so I guess you're not inclined to think this is some kind of Planet X thing This is more of a some kind of structure some kind of man-made or being made

43:25 thing out there. Alright, again let's go back to just the skyship photos because those are the ones that people take from the earth not from a satellite and it cannot be Nibiru or Planet X or Planet 12 or whatever because a planet would not be able to pop in and out of the intensity of the central sun it would be on a continuous orbit We just, we see this variation and that just can't be the case. We've gotten I think no more than three times, we've gotten pictures where one of those orbs has orbs around it so it looks like a giant mother ship with other ships showing up around it. That's when we met the guy who was involved with the Hubble telescope because we showed him this photo cause we wanted to make sure it wasn't blown off as just

44:19 camera anomaly and he assured us that it wasn't. He said, that was not what that was and so what can I say? Yeah we have more mysteries to solve than we don't! We definitely do and a ship the size of Jupiter seems even Even less feasible, but I guess if there's a race of beings out there that considers the earth a farm they have to be watching over it in some way. Right and we cannot assume that all of the ones in those big ships are the big evil ones so we can't do that But I really hope your listeners will scroll through those sections and take a look at them. Yeah, absolutely! Very awesome! Well Mary thanks so much for doing this. I enjoy the weird world but i want to get away from the same old story so this was a lot of fun would you remind people once more where they can get your books in the URL or website before we call it? I sure can The website is skyshipsovercashers.com

45:21 I have three books that i've written since 2013. They're all available on Amazon. There's one, Underground Military Bases Hidden in North Carolina Mountains The second one is Cherokee Little People Were Real. The third one we haven't even talked about, a total different subject is called Tangible Evidence of Jesus. The full long title is Tangible Evidence of Jesus Left Behind for Us to Find and it gets into the scientific archaeological information on Jesus that you simply don't find in most places so those are the three books that I have out there and

45:58 The way that I've written them is in what I call a cross between newspaper and magazine style. There's lots of photos, maps, visuals and I write in a very concise easy to weigh you know easy read so you don't have to wade through thick tombs of information. It definitely makes my job easier reading books for every guest, but great stuff Mary Thanks again take care out there I enjoy talking with you Oh me too have a good one Alright fellas and ladies, Mary Joyce coming in hot with all sorts of interesting stuff. UN troops and secret bases ET's calling the Earth a farm Knowledge of the World Heritage Treaty Jupiter-sized ships I mean this is what we're dealing with in 2016 on a Tuesday In September You know by now that I like the idea of some type of shadowy nonhuman overseer but well nobody likes the idea but it does get me all jazzed up you know what I'm saying

46:57 There is weirdness out there. In fact, I just learned about a guy named Norman Bergen who is very accomplished in aeronautics and engineering and he wrote a book called Ringmakers of Saturn because when he studied Saturn's rings He concluded that these rings are actually exhaust from ships circling the planet Saturn It's wild, but it is super interesting in the context of the Brotherhood of Saturn or guests who have talked about Saturn as a control center. Or that some signal perhaps the projection of the entire solar system is coming from the hexagon-shaped North Pole of Saturn

47:36 These are out there ideas but i like them and i've tried to get this guy on but last i heard he was in his late nineties and I got no response from his website but is book is such a limited print run that you can find copies on amazon for over thousand bucks, must mean it's true but tie that in with john brandenburg and the nuclear weapons signature and mars atmosphere and we really gotta party going. You know, if you heard the plus show of this episode where we got into the kid who has memories of fighting in the Martian army. That's another log on the fire But anyway, I thought Mary was a solid guest. Highlighted some lesser discussed topics Cherokee little people that's interesting to me Who knows if we're talking about just a small humanoid race or something more mystical like leprechauns or fairies? but interestingly A few months ago i was in Washington state and we walked this two mile underground pitch black tunnel called ape cave which is a lava tube carved out by a previous eruption of Mount St Helens

48:37 It was a great experience, probably the most time I've ever spent underground in the dark. But the whole time i was looking along the ridges for some type of creature to be watching us but I think it's a bit too touristy for that there however its called Ape Cave because it is near Ape Canyon which got its name from an alleged Bigfoot encounter in the 1920s here's a little on it from Wikipedia what you know as always a bit watered down anyway but even there it says Ape Canyon was reportedly the site of a violent encounter in 1924 between a group of miners and a group of ape men. These allegations were reported in the July 1924 issue of The Oregonian

49:21 Fred Beck, one of the miners claimed that he shot and possibly killed at least one of these creatures following an attack on their cabin during which the creatures bombarded the cabin with rocks and tried to break in. Beck detailed his claims in a 22-page booklet in which he identified the creatures as mystical beings from another dimension He also explained that he has experienced psychic premonitions and visions his entire life of which The Ape Men were only one component And we're off to the races again, but I don't know how relevant that is. But it is cool right? Anyway big thanks to Mary Joyce! Check out Sky Ships Over Cachers if you like the first free hour of The Interview with Mary sign up for THC Plus to hear more and go through hours and hours of archives and all that good stuff You know I love ya keep your head up your pimp hands strong, and I'll see you soon I've done what I can Your move earth farming entities in secret mountain base soldiers... ...your fucking

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