Mark Devlin | Mind Control and Magick In The Corporate Music Industry

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00:43 Alright folks, we know there are many tools used against the masses by the nefarious few atop the power pyramid and nearly every facet of our reality has been tweaked and twisted to achieve a desired result...at our expense. Well for my money there are few areas where these manipulations are more apparent than in modern music industry And when you hold your mental magnifying glass to the last 50 or 60 years of western music, you'll see mental conditioning and the application of MK Ultra techniques, blood sacrifice, cultural degradation, magic, child abuse, assassination, Manchurian candidates, predictive programming, body doubles and rituals and symbols that have been used since ancient times all thinly veiled behind a couple catchy tunes.

01:22 It can be a lot to unpack and lucky for us today's guest Mark Devlin has not only studied and researched this material at length but he also has a personal connection to the field through his successful career as a UK DJ. He is also a podcaster, and the author of lengthy lengthy exposee of everything sketchy in the music world entitled Musical Truth And he is here to talk about it today! Mark Devlin welcome to THC Hey Greg great to be on thanks for having me Yeah man, this is a real pleasure. Thanks for reaching out! This book really does cover all the conspiratorial madness of the music world across multiple genres and time periods and it goes beyond that into other material about natural law and consent that I was really surprised to see ties in so nicely but

02:05 This is great, man. I do like these music and magic shows and I haven't had a guest who's really in the music industry since Professor Griff and he's quoted several times in the book which is awesome but I'm curious how much of these things you saw personally in your music career as opposed to other subjects that I'm sure just came from the research side of things? Maybe we can start there Yeah, well not a whole lot to be honest in terms of personal experience of the things I've written about in the book. Most of it is as the result of research and as a result of looking at the work of other authors and writers such as Professor Griff and many others there's a couple of anecdotes that are related in the book of a couple of kind of dark supernatural experiences that I had which ties into some of the stuff that I'm talking about regarding Satanism

02:50 I had a very memorable experience in Prague hotel room in the Czech Republic once, which was pretty unsettling. And another unusual experience about three o'clock in the morning in a radio studio when I reversed a Madonna record and the resulting recording made me jump out of my skin. So, I've related those two stories in there but the rest of it has just been as a result of delving into this information and it's about five years worth of research since all this stuff first came across my radar. I've been immersing myself big time and just trying to consolidate it all, make sense of it all and bring it all together. And that was the aim with the book – to show how these different facets fit together because you can find YouTube videos where people talk about backmasking subliminal messages hidden in reverse audio recordings in Beatles records or Led Zeppelin records or whatever. Then you've got somebody else talking about mind-controlled artists

03:45 and Stand alone when you find them online and although it's fascinating to look into these things. It doesn't explain how it all connects in together and what the motivation is behind any of this stuff being done so the intention with the book was to show how it does all fit together like a massive jigsaw puzzle and two just convey to people help

04:23 Important it is to understand what's being done to us on a subliminal mind control level and only when we understand that can be resolved to do something about it so you have very little by way of personal experience i would say apart from having been a dj for the past twenty five years and when i first started out as a hip hop DJ in the nineties. I was playing a lot of the music which i can now see with the benefit of hindsight and research and maturity, was part of this agenda which is being laid out and unveiled stage by stage. And I played my part in that by playing records out in clubs, playing them on radios writing about them in magazines but little did I know back then what it was all apart off. I was completely oblivious to the agenda. It's only recent years that come to understand all that

05:12 Yeah, and you said that noticing the repetitive use of symbols in the music industry is one of the main things that brought you to this work. And no doubt it's there but what symbols and meanings do you find to be like the best examples to drive home? The idea that something strange is going on in the entertainment world Well, you can look at music videos of the past few years from all the A-list artists. And I'm talking the likes of Jay Z, Kanye West, Rihanna, Beyonce, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus, Britney Spears, Kesha – those kind of artists and you find the same symbols cropping up time and time again. You see many depictions of pyramids

05:53 and it can just be a pyramid shape or symbol just flashed on screen for split second. It can be what I just mentioned, somebody like Jay-Z or Kanye West holding up a sort of pyramid sign with their fingers making that symbol you know what's that all about? And then you have depictions of And all this stuff is going into music videos, which are watched predominantly by young people. Kids in many cases the target audience for the average Rihanna or Beyonce video is girls of 9 10 11 12 years of age So what does this stuff doing in there? and when you get into videos like Beyonce's XO and Robin Thicke's Get Her Back

06:50 you find that there are images of these demonic entities that appear on screen for a fraction of a second. And to know that it's there at all, you've got to have one of these videos and be able to freeze-frame it very quickly and just catch that instant this thing appears. Then you can study it and see what has been going into the subliminal minds of the viewing public Because all this symbolism is aimed at the subliminal mind which is where symbolism lives The language of symbolism resides there and the subliminal mind is absorbing all these millions of pieces Of information every second and it will goes below the threshold of conscious Logical analysis so that conscious mind is not aware that all this stuff has been taken in And it's only when its pointed out and explained to the conscious minds

07:39 what's being done to it that you can realize that this has been taking place. Otherwise, it just gets lodged into the subliminal and ends up having an effect on the thoughts and emotions of behaviors of that individual so these music videos really are having that kind of effect and psychologists will confirm that is the power that subconscious mind has And a few years ago, I would have scoffed at this like I'm sure many people will when they hear it for the first time. And I would've written it all off as wild fantasy and I would have said no, this can't happen. It's just people's imagination but when you actually do the research and when you actually approach this with an open mind without any ulterior motives or without any belief systems to defend, you discover that this stuff really does

08:25 have an effect on the human psyche and on human consciousness. Why else would it be getting done? You know, why are demonic entities in Robin Thicke videos when they have no relationship to the lyrics? Why are the forces that control The music industry bothering to put all this stuff in there has to be a reason for them doing it you know it goes way beyond the realms of coincidence that these same symbols keep cropping up and videos and instead shows like the us super bowl and grammys and in promotional photo shoots on all of that. you know way beyond coincidence there is definitely something going on here. Well said man and I do love the angle that you've shown that these entities are actually embedded in the music videos cuz i watch when your presentations it shows some examples of that these little things in the frame and, that is just wild to me i haven't heard a lot other people go into that because other worldly influence event at ease interfacing with our world as an area that i'm really interested then and it was great that

09:29 Yeah, for sure. I mean this ties into a lot of the stuff that you get into on your show and there are other researchers that have looked into this stuff. There's a guy called Isaac Weishaupt which is an interesting name and he runs Illuminati Watcher website and he put out a book called Sacrifice Magic Behind The Mic And he really went into this whole thing about the possible demonic possession of some of your favorite artists. It's really hair raising stuff, you know? He did a great job researching that and there is also a website called Vigilant Citizen.

10:04 And the guy that runs that site really gets into the analysis of all this dark occult symbolism that appears in music videos and such. And he gets into a lot of mind control, uh, symbolism as well. Right? And um, all these little motifs and icons which hint at the presence off Monarch programming and trauma based mind control with some of your favorite artists So, there are other researchers that have really gone into this and when you look at their work and you kind of consolidate it and bring it all together. You realize that the music industry –at least in its very upper corporate levels– I'm talking about all the big A-list household name artists we know

10:41 It's a very dark place and there is some really sinister malevolent stuff going on behind the scenes. Satanism is absolutely rampant, and other darker practices are indicators of calling cards everywhere you look for those with the eyes to see. You know it's kind of subliminal language that has been communicated here but when you learn to spot the signs You see everywhere for sure and it's clearly ramping up and i know people have always kind of been coming down on music you know its kinda motif that whatever generation you are your in your parents just don't get the music you know people always talk about that but i mean it's pretty clear to see that.

11:27 You know, when I was growing up we had things like Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears. And people were like oh well Britney Spears has this Hit Me Baby One More Time video and she's in a schoolgirl uniform at high school and this is really sexualizing high school kids and it's not appropriate And I mean, I get that but then you look at today and you have you mentioned Robin Thicke He has that blurred lines video with Miley Cyrus. I thought that was pretty risque But then also or that performance that he did in his videos risque too but the worst of it is The most recent Miley Cyrus video I saw where she's actually like in a baby crib in a diaper

12:05 And talking about sex i was like wow where do we go from here the fetus talking about sex in the womb is crazy every time you think they've sunken as low as they possibly can in terms of degrading morals, they going to surprise you by taking it even further and we seen this continuing over the past few years that just. to It's normal to them because it's all they've ever known that i have any kind of moral compass to gauge how things used to be and two of seen the generation happening over a number of years. And you know just conditioning, are new generation to entirely accept this stuff and reminded off when m&m first came out. I'm sure people listening to this will recall when eminem's first album drops in nineteen ninety nine slim shady albums

13:12 The sort of stuff that was on there at the time was absolutely shocking. Because it's the first time anyone had heard it. He was talking about murder and mutilation and rape, slitting the throat of his baby mother in front of his daughter and taking his daughter out with him to dump her body on a lake and drug abuse and all kinds of outrageous stuff. And the first time you hear all this is absolutely shocking but by the time you've got to Eminem second album and you've heard him talking about this stuff on five or six singles, it becomes Oh eminem is such a character as an area again talking about rape and murder in mutilation what is he like a always such a, such a card you know before you know it that's been normalized. And if you use down the line people were saying oh m&m is really boring only ever talks about his rape and torture and murder surprising how you can normalize this stuff if you just keep bashing people over their head with him. I'm gonna mention that mylisaurus video one

14:12 She's also been pictured on stage giving a blowjob to a bloody blow up doll and inflatable doll in a concert that was attended by young girls. And of course she was straddling that wrecking ball in the wrecking ball video, and then you got Rihanna making songs like S&M talking about whips and chains excite me and rude boy come on rude boy get it off and all this sort of thing. And these are all listened to by young kids And i'm a parent myself and when you become apparent particularly the parent of young girls it really does place it all in a different kind of perspective from a moral point of view, where 10 or 15 years ago you might have written it all offers just a bit of fun you know when you approach it from that responsible. Perspective

15:00 You realize that this stuff really is not good. It's not a great idea for kids to be exposed to all this stuff and so you think what are these corporations thinking of putting out this material how can this be passed and considered acceptable if there isn't some kind of nefarious agenda to corrupt morals and mind control and bring about certain you know, mind states in an entire generation through this music. And of course that's exactly what's going on right and let's go back a bit in history and talk about where some of these themes

15:37 showed up in the old days because to quote your book you say, Talk to us about the history there. Where do we see these things in the early stages? Well, when I first started researching all this material. I did make the mistake of thinking that it was something that just happened in recent years and when I first got alerted to all this, I was studying things like you know Jay-Z videos and Britney Spears and stuff like that and I was going back about 10 years to kind

16:20 2005 2006 and I tended to think that was when the agenda started but the more i delved into it and you know what is like when you start doing research you watch one youtube video in he get led to another researchers work and then that researcher recommend you look at this blog site and then you look at this person's book before you know it you're just down a very deep rabbit hole and your absolutely drowning information and that's the way it was for me right in his book And I came to realize that I needed to revise my time scale in terms of how long all this stuff has been going on. And I came to realize it does literally go back to the very first days off the entertainment industry, corporate music industry on both sides of the Atlantic. So in the US that would be pretty much the emergence of Elvis Presley and the rock and roll era going onwards and going into the 60s

17:12 It's a dovetails into the whole hippie era, the counterculture and anti-establishment scene of the mid to late 60s. And that's where we get into the artists that came out of Laurel Canyon in Los Angeles and you know maybe maybe we could talk about that in awhile and then back in the UK it would be names like Cliff Richards who is an individual that's been in headlines over the last couple years I don't know how much folk in the US are up on that but Cliff Richard has been investigated by police over an alleged assault on a child at a religious Christian rally dating back to 1985 in Sheffield, England. It also involves the famous evangelist Billy Graham

17:56 So, there's an ongoing investigation into this and it has recently expanded. There are apparently two other cases that police are investigating allegedly involving Cliff Richard. We have to be careful because of course nothing has been concluded yet so it is all alleged but yeah that casts Cliff Richard in rather a different light to this squeaky clean sort household name, wonderful Christian singer persona that he's labored under for many years. And in the early days of the British industry we have of course The Beatles and The Rolling Stones but there is a fascinating article that I draw attention to in the book that was written by a former British intelligence operative who went by the name of T Stokes and he put out this article that was later expanded upon and sort of embellished by a British writer called Chris Spivey

18:51 and it details this incredible, amazing interconnected labyrinth of synchronistic links between some of the prominent musicians in those early days of the British industry. So we're talking The Beatles, The Rolling Stones... We're talking big time prolific record producers like Brian Epstein for the Beatles and Joe Meek, Kit Lambert, Robert Stigwood. This article shows how there are links going into military intelligence MI5, MI6, high-level political figures

19:27 at the very top of the establishment, MPs like Tom Dryberg and Tory peer Lord Boothby who was heavily linked to Cliff Richard. There are links into the wartime Prime Minister Winston Churchill. There are links to the Kray Twins – these notorious East End gangsters that had London in the grip of fear in the 1960's. It talks about Rent boys and pedophilia and murder and satanic ritual abuse and suicide and accident overdoses. And you come to realize that throughout the history of the industry all these elements have been present and there are always amazing links between all these different characters,

20:16 and it really is a mind blower. But the most consistent things throughout have been the presence of military intelligence links, and military intelligence organizations, and links to the Secret Service in various other government departments very heavily connecting in to the music industry and many of its key players producers and musicians A large number of individuals who identify themselves as Jewish I always make the point that it's not anti-Semitic to point out that a very large number of people who identify themselves as Jewish just happen to have been in control of these industries for decades. It is a very large, out-of-proportion number

20:58 to the amount of Jewish people there are in society generally. So I think that's something worth looking into and a question worth asking is why would that be? There's paedophilia everywhere, and child abuse everywhere all these very unsettling links And it's just incredible when you really get into it and why should any of this stuff be connected to the music industry when it supposed to be all about having fun letting your hair down at the weekend enjoying some leisure time that's what music is supposed to be. It's not suppose to have any of these dark and malevolent links to it. And so that article I cite by T Stokes is a real hair raiser, and I'd certainly recommend anyone who wants to delve into this subject area fully has a look at that and really

21:45 You know allows their mind to be blown for sure man and you mentioned laurel canyon and dave mcgowan was a great researcher in this realm who i never really got to have on before he passed last year and you did think you thank them in the book and you talked about his work a great deal too what did you learn from him. Oh a whole lot i had dave mcgowan on my podcast couple years ago and was very grateful that i got an opportunity to do that because as you say, he passed away last year on the twenty second of november incidentally which is a. Very interesting date for conspiracy fans be in the anniversary of the kennedy assassination right

22:21 But yeah, Dave McGowan's work into the background of many of these artists emerged out of Laurel Canyon has been absolutely invaluable to researchers in understanding all the links that there have been two intelligence operations and music industry. And so McGowan started this web series in 2008 and he later put out a book, weird scenes inside the canyon. He details the fact that when you take pretty much every prominent prolific influential artist that emerged out of the Laurel Canyon scene in the mid to late 60s and this would be the hippie movement so-called

23:05 counterculture, that whole scene. When you look into the family backgrounds of all these artists you discover that almost without exception they all came from a background in military intelligence and the armed forces in the secret service or in some other aspect of government departments whether it's CIA FBI DEA whatever. The classic example is Jim Morrison who who has always been lauded as this iconic legendary figure of rebellion that just stood for

23:41 That whole late 60s scene the anti-war crowd you know the whole tripped out psychedelic. Scene Morrison was very much an icon of that but McGowan revealed the Jim Morrison's father. Was admiral George Stephen Morrison and he just happened to be a US naval commander that was in charge of the fleet of ships that was involved in the Gulf of Tonkin incident or nonincident which springboarded America into its long and devastating Vietnam War, and claimed the lives of who knows how many people. McGowan pointed out to me that you don't find a stranger juxtaposition between father and son than between Jim Morrison and his dad."

24:26 and he also points out that Frank Zappa, who was another icon of that era and a hero to the hippie generation. His father was involved in chemical weapons research working at the Edgewood Arsenal, and Frank Zappa was actually born on that military base And then he goes into the backgrounds of so many of the other artists from that scene, like The Birds, The Mamas and the Papas, Crosby Stills, Nash & Young, Buffalo Springfield, Captain Beefheart. There are links into The Eagles and The Beach Boys, Joni Mitchell, Joan Baez... So many others! Even actors big Hollywood actors at the time like Dennis Hopper and Peter Fonda that came out of Easy Rider there were military links to

25:09 their families as well, even Henry Fonda when you get down to it the famous actor. And so even the Hollywood crowd that were running around at that time and what icons in their own right there are always links back to military intelligence and McGowan points out but There was no music scene at all in that part of Los Angeles prior to about 1965 and then almost literally overnight You found recording studios and music clubs just springing up out of nowhere And there were artists coming from all other parts of the US and Canada, and even Britain in some cases. All congregating at Laurel Canyon and they started this little community. And then before you know it, you've got this massively influential scene or this music that just really shaped a generation and changed the style of music at the time that whole folk rock sound. And it absolutely

26:02 swept that entire generation away and yet it doesn't seem to have happened in a natural organic way when you look at the evidence. It all seems to have been orchestrated and manipulated by unseen forces, answer when you realize that you got all these family connections back into military intelligence the obvious conclusion is that whole scene was an exercise in military controlled Social engineering and mind control. I'm particularly it feeds into the whole LSD scene as well because you had characters like Timothy Leary and Ken Kesey in his merry pranksters going around in this psychedelic colored bustle round hey Ashbury in San Francisco distributing free tabs of acid

26:45 to all the kids that were hanging out there and Timothy Leary presenting this idea that we can all explore our consciousness and go in this wonderful journey of self-discovery with LSD. So, that was all tied into it as well And then you had this whole thing about The Age Of Aquarius This spiritual astrological age which we were said to be moving into in the late 60's as well Which added an extra kind spiritual, esoteric component to the whole thing. And it just creates an amazing fascinating scenario in that second half of the 60s but one which with the benefit of hindsight and research we can now see was almost certainly controlled by these forces that have had the industry in its grip for decades

27:34 Yeah, man. That's a great breakdown and you talk about in the book 1966 being one of those banner years just like 2001 and these military connections are so interesting And I guess we should talk about 9-11 a bit because you know on the show We've talked about predictive programming of 911 in movies and cartoons at length But we also see this in the music industry and its connections that you just laid out with military intelligence make this even more interesting Yeah, there's a lot of links between 1966 which is a very key year in this whole story and 2001 actually 35 years apart. And 1966 was the year that construction started on the World Trade Center in New York

28:19 And it just feeds back into some of these other dark occult elements of 66. Just before we move on to 2001 and staying with 66, that is the year in which the replacement of Paul McCartney is said to have taken place. We might want to get onto that and talk about it in due course because there's so much to say about it but yeah a very key year in that sense. A movie by the name of rosemary's baby which was directed by roman polanski who is later convicted of pedophilia, which is nothing unusual in this whole story you come to realize what a conviction as well the conviction is yes allegations on red and so roman polanski is tied into this whole kind of.

29:07 L.a psychedelic era seen by way of the fact that he was married to sharon tate who is one of the victims off the manson family murders in that notorious incident in august nine sixty nine as a side the synchronistic links everywhere greg and it just blows your mind because You come to think that this will go beyond the human planning and it's like there are forces in the universe that kind of causing all these things to link together and sink together as they do is just amazing so rosemary baby was a movie which. Was presented as fiction is based on a novel by eleven

29:45 And it was the story of this wannabe actor is kind of struggling actor in new york that wanted to make it big but was having a hard time achieving it and he had his young wife rosemary played by me a farrow. And this guy falls in unwittingly with a group of Satanists operating out of this apartment block in New York where he lives with his wife. It just happens to be the Dakota building outside which John Lennon was assassinated years later, in December 1980 – that's where this movie was based! And that's how we fall in with this bunch of satanist and the striking thing about the satan is is there they're not obviously back on the surface. There's this old couple that masquerade as you know these dear sweet old people his neighbors and then you've got a friend of theirs just looks like this,

30:34 middle-aged ordinary woman and then you've got a doctor that seems to be highly respectable physician on the surface. And you come to realize that they're all practicing Satanists, and they keep their true nature well hidden beneath the surface. I would suggest there's a lot of truth to this movie and far from being in work of fiction Roman Polanski was actually presenting a depiction of what really goes on in society where you've got these seemingly innocent covers and glossy surface veneers. But when you get beneath them, you discover the terrible devastating truth of what these people are really all about."

31:14 An interesting thing about Rosemary's Baby is that it was released in 1968, but it was set in 1966. And you see a calendar on the wall of one scene and it shows 1966 and the lead Satanist character describes 66 as year 1 – you know, it all starts in 1966. Then you discover that Anton LaVey and The Church Of Satan was very much connected to 1966 as well. That was the year that that was established and you got all these connections back to 66 so then that goes forward to 2001, 35 years later because you had the foundations of the World Trade Center set in 66 and I should just mention before we get into Paul McCartney stuff The date given for this apparent replacement of McCartney is described as 9-11 in 1966

32:07 and it depends which side of the Atlantic you're on as to how that date turns out because the American way of expressing 9-11 is, of course September 11th. But over here in the UK, 9-11 is the ninth of November so it's the ninth of November but either way you've got the nine eleven there connected with 66 and then when you go forward to 2001 you get the events of September 11th which we're all familiar with one other thing to mention about 66 taking it back back And this movie was released in 68, but production started on it in 66. And isn't interesting that the year chosen as a depiction of the future in this story concocted by Kubrick and Arthur C Clarke – of all years they could have chosen – was 2001?

33:06 We've heard from so many other researchers that Kubrick was a big-time insider, who had a lot of knowledge of what the master plan was for the controllers and elites pulling strings behind the scenes in this world. So it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Kubrick could have had full knowledge of what was to come in 2001 I would suggest. And we all know what did happen at the events of 9-11 But the incredible thing about that is that when you get into the research, you come to realise there were hundreds – literally hundreds of depictions – of events which would happen on 11 September 2001 encoded into movies, TV shows and music videos and record sleeves in the years leading up to 2001.

33:55 So we're talking the 1980s and the 1990s were absolutely replete with all these representations of various aspects of 9-11. There's videos you can look at on YouTube which lay all this stuff out, and they go into Independence Day and Terminator movies and Die Hard movies and The Simpsons even And when it comes to the music industry, there's a record sleeve which I always show in my public talks. And in the early days when I used to show it you could actually hear the gasp of the audience when you put final image up on screen and they realize what is going on. It was an album by British group Super Tramp called Breakfast In America released in 1979. The sleeve image for this album

34:42 has a scene looking out from an airplane window coming in over the Manhattan skyline so you can see New York Harbor and you got statue of liberty which is presented as this waitress serving breakfast. And you've got the word super tramp emblazoned across the manhattan skyline and of course, the twin towers are still there in 1979 and somebody worked out Not sure how, but when you do an inversion of this image and create a mirror version of it – flip it round in reverse. Where the letters of Supertramp appear above the two World Trade Center towers, you've now got a 9 and 11 directly above the Tudor towers. And bear in mind that this is a scene from an airplane window coming over New York

35:34 This is a very chilling premonition of what was to happen in 2001 way back in 1979. And you know it's not a coincidence, is that just one of those things? Is that the universe synchronistically communicating something or was there full knowledge of what was gonna happen? You know we're into the realms of predictive programming now which I'm sure many of your listeners will be familiar with writing it is an interesting roman you bring up a great point about the potential for other worldly influencer involvement with these wild synchronicities i had a peter lavender on the show fairly recently and that's kinda his take that there something more, he said terry going on i think its worth considering that could be more complex than just saying for example like.

36:21 All right, we're gonna have a CIA asset write a book about the sinking of the unsinkable Titan and then we're going to use that as a template later for The Titanic. You know I mean yeah Yeah, I think that's kind of some people's understanding but that might be way too simplistic Yeah There's different ways you can interpret there We're talking about this Morgan Robertson novel futility which came out in 1898 And it presented all these depictions of what was to happen with the story of The Titanic What 14 years later? And when I first looked at that, my first instinct was to think well obviously this novelist had full knowledge of what they were going to do. The plan was obviously in place that early and he somehow was privy to this information but i guess there are other explanations or other possibilities there

37:09 Maybe when a novelist or filmmaker or musician puts out piece of work and they kind of in buick with their creativity and. Their intent and i put it out there it makes some kinda universal connection and it goes out into the morphogenic field and maybe it has some kinda effect on events that will come to pass because you hear so many All thousand scholars and researchers in the field of consciousness that talk about we create our own reality the physical reality that we experience by a will an hour intent on our imagination right. And if you wish to achieve something or experience something, you just have to imagine it into being so you throw your will and your intent out there into the universe and you can actually cause these things to happen so

38:02 Maybe there's an element of that going on. You know, it's certainly not impossible Yeah Like they put out hundreds of references to 9-11 in advance and some if they want to perform a ritual like 911 It's almost like crowdsourcing the power of manifestation if that's possible yeah maybe you're helping to empower that scenario into being by presenting depictions of it and also your getting the general public to make A connection with an energetic connection again on a subconscious basis so people don't realize it's going on so people that were watching. The terminator movie and independence day back in the nineties and they saw these little split second images again just like the music videos from earlier it can be a clock counting down, add it stops on nine eleven. Add there's a clock in the back to the future movie actually the original one which is set on nine eleven people people been absorbing all this stuff for decades and uh

38:58 Some people think that when you make an energetic connection like that with a scenario thats being presented to you, large numbers of people or pulling their consciousness in that way can actually empower it and help it come into being. So, maybe there's an element of this kind of magic that was going on in the years leading up to 9-11. And maybe these dark controllers that were pulling the strings of it all understood how that works and is important to realize when you get to the top of a pyramid if you want to use that analogy control structure The individuals and the groups that control governments, and that control all the big corporations. That control all the educational establishments schools colleges and such they control the military they control or scientific establishments They also control the entertainment industry you know Hollywood movies television and music industry so you've got the same controllers pulling strings of all these different walks of life

40:00 that would have been behind the events of 9-11 but also would be able to dictate and direct control, the way that the music industry was going and the way the Hollywood movie industry was going. So if they wanted to put various symbolism into hollywood movies in the years leading up to what they knew was coming it would not have been difficult for them to achieve that. Right and there could be multiple reasons for all this are those people also who say that you leave believe that their car make me free from all the damage and havoc they reek if they tell us about it, end never really been fully satisfied with that answer because it just seems a

40:41 Like I don't think of the elite as having the same superstitions as they put out to us through uh, The religious arm of the power squid. But um this is probably the best example of it It's prince in 1998 and i don't usually Splice audio into the show but i'm going to for this because it is just amazing. I think you'll be able to hear it too mark 2001 hit me. I mean, there you go it that's clear that he had knowledge of that event before it happened

41:33 And that was 1998, that concert was 98. So why would he feel the need to say 2001 hit me at the end? Because a lot of people wanted to write that off by saying in 1998 Osama Bin Laden was already public enemy number one in the US because it had the Oklahoma City bombing pinned on him so Prince could have been making reference for that but you know the real clincher is when he says at the end 2001 hit me. And another thing that points to knowledge of that event is Dr. Dre's album released in 99 Yeah well i did think that was the case because he put an album called the chronic 2001 in 1999 and a footwell why would you call it two thousand one why would you just not call it 2000 if he was kind of invoking. I did have that one pointed out to me by lennon on a great research who i've cited yeah for sure and lemon point it out to me there,

42:31 I forget the exact details, but there was some kind of stitch up that was done towards Dr. Dre by Suge Knight – that nice man from Death Row Records and they had a major falling out. And Suge Knight managed to get hold of the rights to put out a collection of recordings and he was able to call it The chronic two thousand or it was able to make some reference to two thousand and so dre had take it on one year and he had his album 2001, to avoid any kind of legal clash with that particular registered name is something along those lines that was explained me anyway but you know if u write off that one there are many other. Advance references to two thousand and one as i mentioned earlier just pick up what you were saying a short while ago about

43:21 the elite's feeling that they can cheat karmic consequence by letting us know what they're doing in advance. This is a very key thing and really when you get to the end of my book Can you read the last two chapters you realize that it's a central message that i'm putting across really having spent the rest of the book talking about. The nuts and bolts techniques and tactics that are used to the most important message in the book resides in the last couple of chapters were talk about what we can do about it and why was all being done towards in the first place is all about consent is all about having off free will consciousness hijacked,

44:01 Which is a gift that we have from the creative source behind the universe as humans, we all have this gift of free will consciousness and the ability to make decisions for ourselves in terms of whether we can send to a situation or not. And it ties into natural law This is called many other names. It's known by many other descriptions, it's called universal law, karmic law, the law of cause and effect consequentialism. It had many different names through the ages and it's the central spiritual core of all the major world religions as well before all the dogma and

44:37 rules and regulations were added to make the various holy books of these different religions. What lies at the very core of it all is this spiritual truth that is natural law, and the central tenet of natural law which is set into place by the creative force behind the universe so it supersedes any law that's been written by any man through the ages The central tenet is basically, it could be summed up in three words. Do no harm. Do not cause harm to others or you can expand it too do not treat others in a way that would not wish to be treated yourself and this is the law of morality that we're all required to live by in creation

45:18 And if everyone were to observe that law, then all the things that we see manifesting in the world today or the violence and chaos and mayhem and injustice and suffering would simply not be there. But unfortunately humanity has been manipulated to forget this great spiritual truth for just not understand it and not apply it to their lives. That's why I was seeing all of this stuff play out what we do And I believe that the dark elite controllers understand the way natural law works only too well. But they hate it, they hate the fact that they're bound by in the same way that the rest of us are

46:02 When we're talking about these elite controllers, as you know Greg, we're talking about psychopaths. And we're talking about mentally ill individuals who are steeped in dark occult practices and Satanism and they've had large parts of their humanity removed the compassion has gone the empathy is gone that cut off from their true spiritual nature in their truth humanity through lifetimes of mind control and these dark rituals that I go through but they still observe that natural law is in effect. They hate the fact that they stand to bear the karmic consequence and reap the results of their actions if they do all their various fuckeries against our consent. And so what they try and do is manipulate our consent by hijacking our free will consciousness, and they do this by telling us effectively what they're doing and what they plan to do

47:02 And this is where predictive programming and all this symbolism comes in. So they present to us what they plan to do, but they put it in deeply encoded cryptic form. They use symbols, they use numerology and they know that the vast majority of humanity are not going to understand what's going on 99% of people it will go into their subconscious mind and I have no idea what is being depicted And they seem to think that when we don't object and we don't say hang on a minute We know what you plan to do. We're not happy with it, you can't do this." They take it as a green light to go right ahead and do it because they've done no harm. They've not broken that golden rule of not harming others because when someone consents to a situation or they don't object to it, you've done no harm – as they see it! I would suggest there's a very twisted and warped way of looking at it and they have

48:04 How natural law really affects our lives but then again we are talking about mentally ill psychopaths so let's not expect too much of them i really do believe that this is their belief system and this is why they communicate all the stuff to us. Right i mean it's a slippery slope and I do see what you're saying in the examples of it are very clear you can extrapolate that that's what's going on but the fate of your eternal consciousness seems like too valuable thing to gamble on these cryptic messages i mean who decides if

48:40 they told us enough. You know, they layer these things so deep in media and art I don't see it the point of them dying then being like well look i told him im not responsible for that like where's the line between telling us and not telling us because its so embedded that it definitely isn't obvious Yeah, well something's got to account for the fact that they do all this stuff all the time. Something's got to account for this phenomenon of predictive programming. That's true! And you know if somebody is going to throw out that explanation I just offered there then there has gotta be an alternative explanation too because a lot of time and energy gets expended in making sure this stuff gets spliced into these movies and videos what could be considered so important to them to make all their effort worthwhile?

49:27 And they do always seem to give us the opportunity to know and object if we choose. So it all ties back into the hijacking of free will consciousness I've made a point in the book that when you get some politician Obama or David Cameron, whoever and they stand up there making public speech and tell us that were going to war with some foreign nation Syria whatever They'll always concoct or present some bullshit excuse for why they're going in there. Oh, we've got to free the people you know there's a vicious dictator and he's oppressing his own people or he might be developing chemical weapons and we've gotta liberate the country You know that give you some bullshit reason for it

50:12 rather than just going in there, rather than just storming in there sending the boys and obliterating the country. I mean they do that anyway but they give you the excuse first and I think that's another representation of them giving people the opportunity to say well no we're not happy with this you can't do this so they kind of give you the opportunity for a way out And it even trickles down to things like speed cameras. We've got speed cameras all over the roads here in the UK, but it's the law not natural law but governmental law that there has to be a sign up in the vicinity warning you there are speed cameras around so if you then bomb past one at 100 miles an hour and you get yourself fine and three speeding points You were told that camera was there. You were warned But you went ahead and did it anyway

51:01 And when you get on a bus here there's CCTV recordings happening on buses now and in public buildings but there is always a sign up telling you that it could be filmed if you get on this bus. So by getting on the bus your consenting to them filming you, your giving away Free will consciousness in that way or you're agreeing to it at least and i think these are all represent representations of the same concept there letting you know what they doing. You can argue that they not being clear about it but they're being deceptive about it but this still be opportunity to know another example in the book i talk about vaccines

51:41 I'm sure we all understand that vaccines are very dangerous to human health and they've got some very toxic nasty things in them. And they're hidden behind all these big chemical names, you know they have like four or five syllables and most people have no idea what these things off in Mariselle and whatever else But it is possible, particularly now in the age of the internet where research is freely available to anyone that's got the will to do it. It is possible to discover some of these horrific things that go into vaccines so you can discover they're putting things like monkey brain tissue and aborted fetuses and chick embryos and formaldehyde and shit like that into vaccines You have the opportunity to research this stuff for yourself

52:24 And then when your doctor tries to inject your child with some of this crap, you have the opportunity to be well informed enough to say not a chance mate. I'm not having that in my child's system thanks very much So, it's all the same thing. There is the opportunity to research these things and there is the opportunity to say no. And just the fact that people are able to decode all these depictions of predictive programming – and there are people all over YouTube who have spotted all these little signs pointing towards the events of 9-11 – shows that it is possible to know. They seem to be saying

53:01 You know, here's what we're doing. We know that most of you won't spot it but some of you will and that's our way out That's how we can cheat karma as they see it again very flawed a very flawed way of looking at it But that is I think the way they see Yeah i mean yours is definitely the best explanation we have it just confuses me a little bit because I just wonder where that line is because you know prince disclose some things in one of his concerts but if you weren't in that room he didn't know but how deep do you think this thing goes to does this area research go all the way down to the birth certificate.

53:38 Well, that is another element of it. Yeah because when you get into the birth certificate that is their way of tricking us into consenting to being treated as corporate entities by the Crown Corporation of City of London Uh, and when you really do the research in that field, you realize that is exactly the status that most people now have in their eyes. There's a corporate version of yourself which has created on D is owned by the crown corporation and they do things like trade stocks on you on the stock market all this sort of stuff. Most people have absolutely no idea this is going on because it's done by trickery and deception

54:20 And of course it's your parents that sign that birth certificate for you and sign you into this system of slavery so that for the rest of your days, unless you find a way to unplug from the system which people now are. You're obliged to pay taxes to government and you'll see as owned property. Again I would just say in this age of freely available information on the internet You could argue that there's no excuse for people not understanding this now. Twenty or thirty years ago when you would have to go into some obscure library to have done this kind of research and they were very few people in the world understood the nature of the trickery

55:02 You know you have a very good excuse for not understanding what was being done to you but anyone can do the research now and anyone can come to one understanding of how we've been tricked and lied to in this way. I make a resolve to attaching themselves from it if they can find a way to do that You know it's an incredible time in which we live where we do have access to all this information and we do have the opportunity to research it. And so people being ignorant of all this stuff is no longer excuse really there's no excuse for not doing your homework when what's at stake is you know, the future of humanity itself really not sound

55:42 too overdramatic about it. No man, I'm right there with you and to go into another example of entities involved in music let's talk about Elton John little bit because he is an interesting case study you mentioned him being one of many musicians fascinated with Aleister Crowley and ritual magic and that some of his songs such as Goodbye Yellow Brick Road are also said to have been written in witch language which is provocative man! Is this like automatic writing? In music Kind of yes like channeling this stuff from out in the ether somewhere from unknown forces and allowing yourself to be a conduit for this stuff. Very similar to automatic writing and that claim was made by a very interesting character by the name of John Todd

56:28 And he was a music industry executive in the 1970s in the US. And there's a video that you can get on YouTube where he is talking about true nature of the industry and how all the major record corporations in the US back in the 70s performed occult rituals on the master tapes off the records that they then put out to general public You know, I mean this is one guy's account of what was going on so it may or may not be the truth but it's definitely something for people to consider. And he talks in this video of meeting David Crosby. He tells his anecdote of meeting David Crosby of Crosbystills Nash & Young a few years after he John Todd had left the industry

57:15 And he says to him, David you know tell me are they still taking the master tape of these recordings down into the temple room in the record company and doing these spells on it? And Crosby says yeah of course man. You know how it goes and the story is that they would bring in a coven of witches and they will put the master tape of this recording onto an altar in this temple room that all the major record corporations had in their HQ's And then they would perform these spells and these rituals on the master tape, and kind of imbue it with this negative force. This demonic entity. And the idea is that every copy that is then produced at that recording carries an aspect of that dark energy with it. So its going out into all the homes of general public

58:00 Like I say, we just got this one guy's word for it that takes place. But when you get into the background of John Todd he actually comes from a long running bloodline of witches himself who are said to be traceable all the way back to the Salem witch trials and John Todd is also known as John Todd Collins and Lance. He has these different pseudonyms but definitely seems to have come from this blood line going back to those days and he disappeared off the map a few years after making those comments. So nobody really knows if he was alive or dead, but he did make some comments about having to go into hiding because his life was in danger for having spilt the beans on some of this stuff and he specifically spoke about Elton John And he said that many of the records that you hear all over the radio –and it's no accident that certain tunes are heard on radio stations decade after decade–

58:56 You know the way it is. There's sort of 20 or 30 records that you always hear on the radio over and above all others, and he says it's no accident because these tunes are selected because they contain subliminal messages that they want to get out into the minds of the general public. And um... He says that many of these songs were written in which language? And the lyrics seem to make no sense on the surface of it But if you're someone that is steeped in this dark occultic activity and you come from these satanic secret societies, you understand what these lyrics mean. And he cites some Elton John records as being examples of this and another artist that often gets quoted in the same breath is David Bowie because a lot of his early tunes when you look at the lyrics they seem to be absolute nonsense but it's said to be a form of witch language by those who understand how to interpret it

59:47 So Elton John is one of many that's been fascinated and infatuated with the works of Alistair Crowley. And when I was talking earlier about all these elements that crop up time and time again in the story of music industry in UK, and US we shouldn't forget our old mate Alistair Crowley because he's bloody everywhere! He's like a rock star on his own right In fact if you did a word count on the name that crops more than any other in my book it's probably Alastair Crowley You know, you've had Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin was fascinated with him. He brought his house, Boleskin House on the shores of Loch Ness famously and lived there for 20 years. David Bowie was infatuated with Alistair Crowley and immortalized him in a couple of his tunes. Ozzy Osbourne made the record Mr. Crowley. Jay-Z bringing it up to recent times has been seen sporting a sweatshirt saying do what thou wilt from Crowley's Do What Thou Wilt Should Be The Whole Of The Law from the Book of Magic

1:00:42 Elton John was into him big time. There are connections to the Beatles and very much to The Rolling Stones with Crowley, so he's had a big effect on a great number of artists through the ages. Elton John is just one of many. Elton John is said to have a whole load of books on witchcraft and dark occultism in his home. And um... He's also a bit keen on collecting art which many people would describe as paedophilic he seems to like his pictures of young children. And there's a writer called Chris Spivey in the UK, who I mentioned earlier as well and he put out an article a couple years ago talking about the fact that Elton John and his partner David Furnish were allowed to adopt two baby boys and raise them in their house in which they have all this dark occult material

1:01:31 all this witchcraft art and pedophilic art and all this stuff. And Spivey says, you know can you imagine if a regular couple, a regular working class couple Try to adopt two baby boys and social services did a quick background check on their home do you honestly think anyone else would be allowed to, adopt two baby boys into that kind of home environment if they were celebrities right and we get it something else here elton john is a sir. And there are great many key players in this story who just have to be service nighted by the queen

1:02:09 And the revelations that have come out of the UK in recent years about Jimmy Savile, the notorious BBC DJ and television presenter who was exposed a few years ago as a serial paedophile child rapist and probably murderer and necrophiliac. And certainly a Satanist worked for the BBC for 50 years was knighted by The Queen twice And this started a slew of outings of various celebrities, public figures and politicians who were exposed subsequently as paedophiles and child rapists. In almost all the cases they are Sirs or they've got an OBE or an MBE or some other form of knighthood from the Queen so what is that?

1:02:57 Is that a coincidence? It's just a really bad judge of character. Do MI5 keep screwing up in their background checks and they just happen to miss all this information or is there something more to know here? Oh yeah, I definitely think knighthood is a reward for serving the masters. I've been skeptical about that for awhile but But I guess that's a good place to call it in. Man, we talked about again so much stuff your book is even more vast than what we could cover. We didn't even talk about hip hop or MK Ultra Project Monarch blood sacrifices for fame. Transhumanism Right! That's the big one and the auto tune lot of meat left on those bones So maybe will do this again before too long if you're down for it

1:03:37 Sounds like the makings of another show to me. Me too so awesome and well lots of new areas to touch on in the music industry your book is very dense incorporate so much of this stuff great job man would you like to give out your links and stuff to people before we go? Yeah for sure i can get more information on the book at musical truthbook dot com It's available on Amazon. You can get the printed version and a Kindle version there I'm selling signed copies for anyone in the UK that might be listening to this, so I am offering to post out copies in the UK. I'm not really doing that internationally because of all the postage costs and customs and all of that but I'm also doing a speaking tour most of the dates are in the UK And at every date there I'll have quantity of books with me which I'll be selling. I've come into the US

1:04:24 for the free your mind for conference which is happening. I'm just outside Philadelphia, Langhorne Pennsylvania. It's the weekend of the 15th to the 17th April. There are some awesome guests there absolutely mind-blowing lineup of guests if you go to freeyourmindconference.com and see some other speakers that are going to be there over three days. I am doing a quick talk on the book and have a bunch with me which will be selling on merchandise table. So anyone that can get to Philly in April for Free Your Mind 4 they'll be able to see me there do come up say hi Anyone that wants to get in touch, I welcome feedback by email to mark at Mark Devlin dot co.uk happy to correspond with anyone as long as they're not a troublemaking shill hater in which case I'm not going to give you the time but anyone else feel free to get in touch

1:05:15 Yes, the truthbook.com and you can look for it on Amazon basically right on man yet Yet another reason for me to try to make it out to the freer mind conference in a oh man You need to be there I really need you to be that I want to but it is on the complete opposite side of a very big country but Yeah yeah but there's greyhound buses and mega buses i know it take you like a week to get there but that's true i feel like be done with you there's a thousand reasons not to do something if you wanna do what you can make it happen so i'm gonna try but good deal man thanks a lot mark keep doing what you do take care out there. Yeah for sure great many things

1:05:51 All right people there we have it squeezing in episode five at the last minute on the last day dying to get on more of a set schedule here but man. Mark Devlin what a great guest well spoken heavily researched great recall for the things he studied showed up on time and had a good sounding mic, I loved it and if it isn't obvious the care and attention in professionalism he puts into just this interview shows tenfold in the book so, If you have any interest in these types of subjects. I have to now consider Mark's book to be top-of-the pile musical truth lotsa top-of-the-pile books from good guests this month four honestly because I thought Johnny Cerucci was great on The Jesuits and his book Illuminati Unmasked

1:06:37 Probably the best. My man Gordon White, solid magical prehistory with starships. Judy Wood has done the best job on 9-11 if you ask me and here we have Mark rounding us out with a great show and great book on the music industry If you ask me, those are four five-star shows that are all pretty diverse in subject matter. But that leaves last week's Donald Marshall show and I have to admit that the trickster in me loves putting out a show like that and just watching the controversy but But it's not like a prank, I mean it did serve a purpose. It had been a couple of years and he had been saying he had important disclosures and now we know he wrote Rebecca Blacks Friday, battled a spider horse, smashed a woman's face into some stairs! Obviously important disclosures and useful information for people who are trying to find out what is really going on in this wild world.

1:07:29 But that's it, I guess. You know, I did leave space in the beginning of this show for this month's Money Bomb winner but no response yet his name also happened to be Mark and another stunning synchronicity So Marks out there, do check your email. But it was about 250 bucks and I'm sure he's grateful for it Remember to check out the Free Your Mind conference in April! I will go if I can but If you're around that area It is a great lineup And of course sign up for PLUS if you appreciate what I do and think THC stands apart from the crowd Why not get another hour of every show? I just recapped this month and i think we did pretty solid. Today, of course no exception in the second hour Mark got into victims and handlers the Paul McCartney replacement conspiracy and other interesting Beatles sagas also The Rolling Stones and all the death that seems to follow them And uh... The 27 Club everybody's familiar with that vaguely but we got into it a little deeper honestly

1:08:23 A lot more than that was talked about, but you know I do enough trying to convince you around here. I think if you like it, you'll like it! What I say in the last five minutes isn't going to be a deal breaker, I don't think and man...I guess the Tavistock Institute would be pretty disappointed at my sales pitch but maybe this will help? I did mention better on-site streaming a few weeks ago and then stopped mentioning it because I had some issues getting it dialed in But last week was the test and now we are good so if you have any issues Getting the Plus Show typically with the on-site streaming, it's now a much better option. Much better experience of course you can still download it and get it through your apps and all that good stuff but I'm trying to constantly improve as we all should be Reflect on your weaknesses and crush them! But that's it for me...I've done my part Your move Satanist sorcerers or The Hollywood Mind Control Machine? Your fucking move Oh no

1:09:24 You see, the world isn't random it's attached to puppet strings Control over everything The 9-to-5 is trying to steal ya Now don't that job seem silly? Hello, can you hear me Or should I play back recordings from some spying agency? Wish we were younger and free. I'll be thankful when it's all exposed, the vast conspiracy There is such a difference between us And the Denver child

1:10:22 Hollow from the higher side They're calling out a thousand crimes They'll tell you the story Of everything that's been done Then they'll call out deception For the web that's been spawned Hollow from the higher side The earth is hollow inside They'll tell you about something that no one else will Have you heard about Saturn? Have you heard about the real since so long ago?

1:11:19 They're cartoons It's so typical of me to talk about the stuff I'm sorry that's good and well Did you ever hear the argument That nothing really happens? It's no secret And that the best is plus It's doubling your time Hello from the higher side They're calling out a thousand crimes They'll tell you something The elite have done And they'll call out deception From the web that's been spawned

1:12:16 Hello from the higher side Challenging your path And I'll tell you something That the battle's begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind's where it's won As the world moves on Ooh, as the world

1:12:54 Hello from the highest high They're calling out a thousand cards They'll tell you something the elite have done And they'll call out deception of the web that's been spawned

1:13:29 Hello from the higher side Challenging your paradigm And I'll tell you someday That the battle's begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind where it's won, that's the war