Lon Milo DuQuette | Magick, Demons, Sex, & The Infinite You

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the fireside chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a- I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats

01:30 Well, praise be Hiresight Chatters from sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and it can be hard to navigate through the social taboos and public opinions of this world as everyone has something to say about everything So if you think too much about it You end up with a numb stagnant existence that is closer to a personal hell than one might realize And it's easy to get swallowed up in a sea of mediocre advice from teachers, parents, politicians and bosses all willing to send you through a college system of crippling debt encourage you to settle down in the suburbs march you off to war or dangle the promotional carrot over your head for as long as you're willing to let them.

02:09 The loudest voices in this life are rarely the soundest, and the system's attempts to corral the infinite you into middle management green paper obsession and a hamster wheel of obligations are best seen as opportunities to go another way. And take the reins of life yourself if you think you can do better! I know The Big Machine has many gears to grind ya down but behind all that is the mystical life with a determined individual whispering come on in the waters fine These are the lessons of magic. You have more power than you know, active engagement with the universe yields personal growth and life is what you make it. Funny that an authoritarian system built on hierarchy and control would want to steer away from that! But fear not good people because with us today is one of the great illuminated advocates for the magical worldview Lon Milo Duquette

02:59 He was here once before in the early days of the Hireside Chats way back in 2014, when controlling my own life felt as likely as winning the McDonald's Monopoly Millions. But it is a real pleasure to have him back today! Lon is now the author of over a dozen books translated into a dozen languages who has cultivated an expertise in tarot, Kabbalah, ceremonial magic and more writing about many various systems and characters within the magical sphere He's also the deputy grandmaster of the Ordo Templi Orientis and an accomplished musician to boot. He joins us just after the release of his latest work, Allow Me To Introduce An Insider's Guide To The Occult which offers a collection of vast introductions he has written for many other magical books So let's get into it! The great Baba Lon himself, the music-making magician and one my favorite shards of the infinite godhead, Lon Milo Da Kett welcome back to the higher side

03:55 That's a wonderful introduction, Greg. Thank you very much! Thank you it is an honor and a pleasure to have here i have learned a lot from your writing and it feels as if wrapping ones head around the true nature of reality in our part in it, is never ending rabbit hole so it's great to do this again and. You know more so than i that the affiliation and just magic in the occult in general can sound like a scary thing to some people but it seems like the irony is that Listeners of a show like this can identify a lot of life's control mechanisms and the system's authorities, and want to be more independent. But then get caught drinking their Kool-Aid when it comes to magic! At its best it is silly superstition at worst it's dark and evil but it's their prescription for life that tends to make us sick you know? Yeah well it can be especially when an organization forms that presumes

04:56 pretend that they have the answer and discourage you to think for yourself. So yeah, I've just been lucky in my magical career to whatever organizations that i've affiliated with and have been initiated into have been just the type of organizations that tell ya' that your enlightenment's up to you You're in order of one, even though the club may have organizational rules. Nobody is telling anybody else how to think and I've been really lucky to be associated with those kinds of groups and that's mostly what the founder of the OTO or at least its main historic leader Alistair Crowley had a philosophy

05:56 Extreme individualism rather than authoritarian hierarchical thing in nature is kind of spooky especially when people, try to affiliate themselves with an organization because they want an organization and who tell them how to think. And when i join a fellowship there immediately disabused that and They're forced with the possibility and the necessity to think for oneself. And they're looking for someone or something or some organization tell me how it's like,

06:40 Are there gonna be really disappointed if they hook up to a philharmonic organization or most of them. Fair enough yes magic is definitely a personal journey no doubt and of course you're well known for that subtitle to your book low magic it's all in your head just have no idea how big your head is, And i used to think that was kind of like a cop out like it sounds good but its so vague that i don't know what i could do with that. But if that saying is true at the core why is reality set up to conceal that to conceal that it's all one thing well not much there, reality is setup that way instead

07:26 You're placed in a level of, I guess sleep or slumber. You're set in the level of dream whereby you're getting your own way and it's each of us have our own set of pains in the asses that are standing between us and waking up It may seem like the universe is conspiring against this but ultimately the universe IS US! And at any given point in our adventure and struggle were confronted with just the pain in the ass we need to wake up from so. Where are there well i do know people who might say yeah i tried to live my life as if the pains in my ass are

08:19 You know within my sphere of control that it is all me i tried to live that way and those obstacles don't really seem to budge all that much what would you say to people who maybe, feel like they accept this intellectually but just aren't seeing the real world application work out for them. Why don't know if not i never got any obstacles in budget i'm going to buy a new cell. Do a place where thats not the issue. And, you know a lot of people have expectations of what illumination is and most of those expectations are based on their current view of reality when illumination is actually breaking into a new reality I used to think when I was thinking that I was going to be a great eastern mystic You know and I meditated did all

09:20 mantras and chants and pranayamas, and everything else. And I had this vision of me, this image of me gaining enlightenment sitting under a Bodhi-type tree with the shaved head in that ochre robe or something. And I couldn't get over the fact how cool I would look losing my ego! Obviously you can see there's a paradox there That I was hung up thinking about how cool and spiritual i would look losing my ego. And the point is,

10:03 Your idea of what illumination is going to be like is based on your unilluminated expectation. That's not how it's gonna happen. Fair enough, well if it is all in my head It's comforting to know I'm just talking to a more polished version of myself right now. Yeah you're just gonna wake up one day and realize that we've been each other all along. I like it but But I guess i think that phrase kind of bothered me for a long time because it's similar to what people say to dismiss. Stuff like psychedelic experience or out-of-body experience and many other things will hear them say there is no value in those experiences because you're just altering your brain chemistry quite literally, that it's in your head but you know you're talking more about consciousness context

10:55 But hearing that you're only feeling like you're experiencing something profound is, uh, I guess a trick of our system. It has a similar feel to the idea that it's all in your head. It almost feels nihilistic. Well, you can look at it that way and looking at it that way, it certainly is but Quantum physicists are telling us the nature of existence itself is consciousness. And that light, matter energy is an aspect of consciousness and of course you and me in the us-ness that is having this conversation are pretty much stuck in a very narrow range of consciousness

11:46 whereby we think there's a past and present in the future, just like me being late calling into you today. Ultimately if we back our consciousness camera up there wasn't a time or place really for us to be late from That's a good point and you know your secret was gonna be safe with me but... Oh no I'm a screw up. Aren't we all i guess? But the idea, and of course when you play with the idea like Schrodinger's cat it is all in aspect of consciousness and spiritual systems that are past and present

12:29 may seem like something that you actually do a practice, that creates causes that have the effect of illumination. But it's not like that at all! You're instantly working with your consciousness and your consciousness is changing the world around you because the world around you...you're part of this big consciousness singularity whether you know it or not and changes in your own consciousness is literally mutating you, and mutating the world around you. And that is such a big thing to bite off that most people can't even get to the point of where they can wrap their meat grains around what that really means. So the person who would criticize say profound psychedelic experience

13:28 and saying, well it's only tweaked your... physiologically tweaked your brain cells for a little while and it has given you this feeling of an experience. They can be perfectly right about that but the point is that the effect of having profound mystical experience like that has already mutated you, has already altered yourself as a receiver Most of us in our sleepy condition are like a really primitive crystal radio set that can only pick up certain broadcast frequencies.

14:13 And in order to pick up a broader range of frequencies or radio frequencies, you have to have a better unit. You have to have a better crystal set and the purpose if there will be effect of meditative techniques and magical psychodramas and things like that is to fine tune and improve your equipment so that your new reality is not that simple little slender band of AM frequency that the crystal set can bring in, but literally wake you up in a routine way to huge more broader band of frequencies. Ultimate illumination is opening you up to the frequency of the singularity of existence itself

15:16 And that's something that no troll on twitter is gonna be able to talk about it. I like it and i guess the only reason i brought up the brain chemistry psychedelic parallel is that everyday consciousness, To the unenlightened i guess things do feel separate and we can say that's an illusion you know just as in certain altered states. Of consciousness things maybe feel more unified or we get that vibe where we feel out of body and we still only have to go on how we feel in the moment what the perception is like i guess how do we,

16:01 How do we know to put more faith in the perception or the feeling we get an altered states as opposed to everyday mundane nine-to-five consciousness? I guess that's just up to the individual and how they can view existence from their particular point of view. And no two people have that same precise outlook I don't try to tell anybody to get into magic or... I'm not a big proselytizer at all. If you read my Chicken Kabbalah and the Son of Chicken Kabbalah, it's just from the point-of-view of how kabbalah is really meant to organize, to reorganize and to tune up your equipment so that your perception is more universally

17:01 Sensitive and the idea that you believe this or do that is really a downer compared to. Systems that are meant to be in a healthy way new page you to hire level of consciousness so you can see the higher level of existence and being itself until ultimately, you realize and not only understand that you're the perfect reflection of the singularity, but actually function as a reflection of the singularity. That in a way has been the message that magic has been trying to deliver in metaphors forever. The idea that King Solomon

17:57 who inherited this job, supposedly according to the myth, according to the allegory. He inherited a job of building up functioning miniature working model of the cosmos in the form of the temple, King Solomon's Temple. Because Solomon was a cool guy and had a nice head on his shoulders he knew he wasn't to figuring out how the universe ran with the equipment that he had. He didn't have the meat brain to figure out how to build a miniature working model of the cosmos, so according to the allegory, he entered into the presence of God. So in other words, he elevated his consciousness at least temporarily

18:57 realized he was that perfect reflection of deity itself. And when in that elevated state, he saw how the universe ran okay? That's how we entered into the presence of God and that gave him the grasp I would say understanding but actually it gave him the wisdom to see using perfect geometry and things like that, he could make a physical reflection an accurate physical reflection of this very unphysical transcendent reality. And so that gave him power of course then to work with demons now demons aren't

19:52 It's not like they're morally bad. Demons are just the blind forces that actually sustain the heavy lifting in the universe, and when they're not under control—when they're not under directions—they naturally discharge their wild forces along lines of least resistance. And so from our point of view, they're destructive and stuff but when they're properly directed just in the same way that heavy equipment construction equipment if you just got on a big giant earth mover or caterpillar heavy machinery and just turned it on put it in gear and jumped off and let her run through town

20:40 It would be a very destructive demonic force. But when you got the guy that knows how to run it in the hard hat, You know? You can just set the stage and build shit with it! If I'm allowed to say that... Absolutely! Say anything! But that wise direction has to have its balanced force plugged right into the top so thats the Solomonic formula So a lot of people that misunderstand what magic is about thinking that with little recipes, little poems and funny little tricks then you can just immediately contact these demons and get them to go make the neighbor girl fall in love with you or something. Which could work to a degree in the same way

21:33 A child could semi-operate heavy machinery, but only for a short period of time before the whole thing turned south. I don't know if that answers your question. Well, sure and i love the Solomonic Temple story it is an interesting allegory and might relate to why we see so many ancient megalithic sites oriented to parts of the cosmos maybe trying to tap into that reflection principle for some sort of universal insight or understanding as a group but these

22:08 What the idea of corral in these demonic forces or energies putting them to task as you say i like the construction equipment analogy. And along those lines of thinking if we were gonna try to do that harness these demons are give them tasks is not let them run amok, Is it better to go about that as individuals or as a society or nation like the building of those ancient sites. It's just interesting to speculate on the extra oomph that a society whose thinking is well aligned in these sorts of topics might yield because even though most magic seems very personal and individualistic,

22:50 In this context, these forces seem too big for individual assignments if they're used to doing the heavy lifting of the universe. Wouldn't you say? Oh I... You know like the idea that Prince of Persia in a way Dee and Kelly were trying to organize and control the 91 parts of the earth and spiritual forces That run the show on ninety one parts of your damn but it's more along the lines. True magic isn't really done in a group or community i mean you can be on board with a lot of things and push things in general direction politics tries to do that, what from now point of view actually

23:49 Working with these particular forces, doing things in a group makes the group only as strong as the weakest person in the group. And I don't know if how many groups you've been involved with or whatever but I haven't even in my experience with very very wonderful noble group It's hard for us to organize a picnic it's hard for us to start on time. It's hard for us to actually effectively work together even on very small mundane projects so what we're really stuck with is working with ourselves and the idea that

24:49 If we really want something done to affect changes in the world around us, you don't attack the problem itself. You attack what is lacking or out of whack in yourself that is a reflection of this outer thing. Can I give an example? Please! Years ago, maybe 12 years ago by now because of bizarre little circumstances I was asked to exorcise a Catholic girl school. A high school and it's kind of a long story It was instigated partially because I'm consecrated Bishop that

26:01 Well, it's a long story. But anyway I was hired by literally the archdiocese of the area and i don't really do stuff like that generally. I don't hire myself out. I don't have a yellow pages ad or anything and you know that it's all in your head You just have no idea how big your head is philosophy And so Exorcism like that is just not me sticking my nose into usually somebody else's mental health problems. But in this particular case, the school was undergoing really a plague of misfortune now shit happens and it doesn't have to be particularly demonic in nature just to have shit happen but shit was happening

27:04 so regularly, so intently. So in two of the cases like within just weeks with each other in deadly misfortunes and then phenomena happening in the school and things like that Now I don't want to stick my nose into shit happening in a Catholic girls' school but for some reason it was laid at my door Okay? And it was almost like, well this is something I need to deal with. Obviously because this has been so curiously laid at my feet to deal with it must be my problem too. So in other words, I recognize this challenge

28:05 as something that I probably should do because for some reason or another at this time and at this place, I was capable of taking care of it. But I had no illusion that it wasn't because I had to work on something in myself in order to make this work. Does that make any sense? Mm-hmm. Okay so I look at all of these misfortunes as if they were a collection of smaller shit happens. So, in other words...I'm going to treat these as first of all maybe about 60 very small demons but together they make one big demon or one big spirit so i'm going

29:05 gather them all together and turn them into one spirit, and I will exorcise that spirit. So before I drove up to the school, I did a Goetia key vocation to evoke that spirit prior to that I used a pendulum to get the spirits name I drew up the appropriate signals I did a full-blown Goetia evocation as if it was the spirit of the Goetia. I did it right here in my office, and the spirit appears as they appear to me when I called it forth for the evocation part. I did it so loudly that a dove that had built a little nest here right outside my office window

30:00 It scared the hell out of the dove, and the dove flew away. And I could hear the fluttering of the wings just as I was calling the spirit. The fluttering of the wings triggered something in my mind and the spirit appeared in a triangle as large and oversized Norwegian magpie. I don't think it's stuff like this okay? It just popped in, why a Norwegian magpie? But anyway I welcomed the spirit into the triangle and I assured myself that's who it was. And I said okay stay right there in the triangle and we're going to call you up again in a couple hours. So I wrapped this circle around me my circle was thin silk cord. I wrapped it around

31:01 And put my clothes on over the belt of the circle. So in other words, I stayed in the circle. I wrapped up the triangle and all the other goodies and I put it into a little briefcase along with holy water and wands. Right? As you do! Yeah, stuff like that... My traveling kit. And drove off. I spoke for about 10 minutes with the Mother Superior And as I was talking to her, the phone rang. The call was from the mother of the little nun who had died in front of her class just a couple days earlier and freaked the kids out and the call was to say that her husband, the little dead nun's father had just died like heartbroken you know? But it's just more shit happening

32:03 But anyway, she hung up and said well when can you start? And the rest is a long story that I was there all night. I got to stay in school all night. I banished and cleansed each room and sealed each room off and moved everything into the vice principal's office so in other words I just like swept everything into one spot And I figured the vice principal's office, because every vice principal i've ever known was the devil himself. Right seems appropriate Yeah so it was about six hours and doing multiple back-to-back banishings and little ceremonies in every one of those classrooms every one of those administrative rooms

33:01 You get a little crazy, you get to be a wild-eyed magician actually after about six hours and it's really easy to visualize and hallucinate all of that stuff. But anyway I reset up the triangle, reset my circle called up the spirit again The Magpie And its kind of funny...I hope im not taking too much time here No its all good! Okay I don't know if you've ever had the opportunity to wander around a Catholic girl school, 100-year old Catholic girl school in the middle of the night by yourself. It's creepy okay? There are statues of saints with arrows in them it's creepy okay there's all sorts of tortured Christ pictured all over the place there's you know statues of Mary and Saints

34:06 So by the time i saw that magpie, that magical magpie. I was almost happy to see him because at least he's a little magical character that wasn't one of these grotesque icons So instead of just banishing him with a formulaic little thing that you can do in Enochian, I said when he appeared. Why are you tormenting these people? I didn't have to say that and i probably shouldn't have said it. I should've just got to work and banished him but I wanted to chat!

35:05 When you talk to a spirit, you receive the spirits answer on the same wavelength that your question is delivered with. So in other words by the time you're through asking the question You've received the complete answer does that make sense? That's how you communicate somewhat instantaneous it is instantaneous and I said why are you tormenting these people And the answer immediately was, came back in language that I do not usually talk in myself. So it came as a surprise. It said is it a sin for the carrion crow to peck the eyes of a dangling knight? Okay!

35:59 Okay, and I sort of... And it threw me off guard because I immediately saw the allusion to you know the Knights of the Holy Grail questing for the Holy Grail and failing. Being hung in the crow's pecking their eyes that is all in the grailed mysteries you know? Then I thought Okay it's absolutely true this guy is busting me who do i think i am you know galvanizing up the freeway coming to the rescue of the nuns and little girls, who the hell do i think i am.

36:51 to stick my nose into all of this other karma. It's none of my business, who do I think I am? And I started to have these incredible doubts and self-incrimination and a real, real imbalanced sense of... well self-incrimination is the best word And as I was busting myself and thinking, I'm just going to pack this up and go home. The spirit started to or the crow magpie started to flap its wings and leave the triangle. Hmm. And then I realized, OK, here it is. This is what needs to change in me

37:55 And i shouted it back into the triangle screw myself in crimination i was given this job for some kind of reason im gonna do it you know screw you, backing to the triangle but what i was doing is wrestling with myself can u see how. All of this was me wrestling with myself to affect a mutation in myself, to fix an imbalance in myself. To open up paths of realization that had until then been blocked and it's me coming to that place that was the exorcism I couldn't have done it

38:47 with the me that hadn't had that nervous breakdown, in other words. The me after the nervous breakdown was a different person—a magician who could exercise that spirit." So I finished off The Banishing. I did the three-part curse I packed up its signal from the triangle i took it into that mother superior's private bathroom in her office. I started on fire and flushed down the toilet right now well i do like that anecdote it's definitely insightful i can see why that provides a good example

39:28 And of course the catalyst for you being here today is your latest book allow me to introduce which is a nice collection of introductions you've written brothers and i like it because it's a crash course in a lot of different topics, not as i was reading the book became obvious how little i know about all these vast systems with their own languages usually this layered alpha numeric. code and as you say the names of these entities in spirits can be very important to dig out a grimoire's and that. Instantaneous response element to the story just told is really fascinating those are kind of the mechanisms includes i like to look at it try to get a handle on what these things are curious if there's other mechanisms of contact that you've experienced that have

40:19 Brought you to those conclusions that you have about what spirits are that it is all in your head. Are there other? Strange little mechanisms of how these things work that give you clues as to what really is under the hood Yeah, and all of them in a sense have all more or less piled on to You know give me The equivalent of this magical worldview so dumb People will ask, well they're doing all these magic rituals and stuff. What happens? Have you ever made anything happen with all of your things? Doing Enochian magic with these repeating fractals of angelic hierarchy or spirits Or these demon evocations with Solomonic magic where you're working with Kabbalistic angels and stuff

41:19 What have you done to make stuff happen? And all I can say is that, I can't point to any success story except me. Everything has been put together just to mutate me into who I am and tell you the truth, I'm pretty happy with who I am but it's not like there are a couple of things that you could point to that would be An example of phenomena or a quid pro quo for magic thing but mostly the magic is all done for the benefit of. The magician's own alchemical transformation,

42:10 And anything over and above that is just sort of an interesting antidote, that may or may not have any relevance to anybody else's magic. Fair yeah well let me switch gears a bit and ask you about some of the content from these intros in this latest book because i am also interested in the relationship between magic enlightenment and sexuality And you touch on that in this intro to Opus Maggio, Kabbalisticum and Theorosophilicum. You know there's my best stab at it but... Pretty good yeah! So this author von Welling he as you say layered his language asked to conceal his ideas from the profane while revealing them to the initiated and quote

43:07 You say these in my opinion include mystical secrets of the human body and even more dangerously the powers and potentialities of human sexuality. Well that's quite provocative man what are you alluding to when you say secrets of a human body can talk about that a bit sure i'm going was an alchemist rather late alchemists i think The book that i was asked to introduce was written like in 1717 and it was in german. He wasn't alchemist and you know alchemists are supposedly early chemists that were trying to make gold from lead they were trying to transmute gold, the lead right and im not saying that alchemists or at least certain alchemists weren't actually trying to do that on a physical level and

44:10 They use these properties of salt, sulfur and mercury. And they take what is called the prima matter The first matter they take something that's really gross and shitty and work on it through various processes. And the processes themselves became actually the protocol of modern chemistry in order to extract the spirit or the essence the spiritual essence from this material. In other words, they were taking a human and turning it into God which is precisely what we've been talking about as far as consciousness, human consciousness to awakening to god-consciousness or the singularity but they were doing it in Europe at a time when the Catholic Church

45:13 would give you the ultimate hotfoot for doing anything that was just not orthodox Christianity as they saw it. And so a lot of the alchemical material had to be written in such a way as not to get them in trouble with church, but at the same time, at least try to communicate the results practices in their operations with other people that knew the same alchemical secret language. Does that make sense? It does, it does! And so in the East, in China and Tibet and India for thousands of years they've drawn the parallels of greater cosmos and the human body itself

46:12 as a physical reflection of the processes and the characteristics of the greater cosmos itself. So, the mind of man if it was perfected would be the reflection of the mind of God and the creative processes within the human body would be the reflection of the creative processes that light the stars and are responsible for all of the natural forces in the universe. So, in other words human creation is a reflection of divine creation so the alchemists when their anal retentive zeal actually

47:02 itemized or categorize the different forces within the human body with these universal forces. And just like the tantrics of Tibet and India, they realized that human sexuality was reflective of cosmic forces of creation and that the human body made up of different chemicals Made up of salt and sulfur and mercury, and von velling was a big guy on salt. Oh my god the first 50 pages in the book you're so tired to hearing about salt but the idea What he was trying to get across and he did a pretty good job because it's pretty recognizable to modern philosophers what he was talking about And when I said it was dangerous that he was talking about

48:02 Human sexuality i didn't mean it was dangerous for us to read or dangerous words the practices, you is dangerous for him because even in the seventeen hundred he could have gotten himself in major trouble. If you would actually been talking about a person's semen are women's aids or the menstrual fluids or that mental processes visualization process. That could be going on in a person's head as they're creating these fluids and in the same way that human child, the body of the human child is created by the union of this sperm and egg. And a human child is such a profound

48:54 instrument to hatch from this process, this process that your mom and dad and my mom and dad did. And everybody in the world who's here is the result of this natural alchemical process that could be seen as a metaphor for greater creative activity. In other words, the magician could create anything using the same Basic ingredients same basic visualizations using that metaphor for any form of creation thing. And so anything is created in a way like a poem or play or movie or musical composition in a sense was born using the same process

49:52 And it's much bigger than sex. Okay? Sex is just a metaphor for this, but even in those days nobody would have understood that before they lit the match on your execution so that's what I meant by it was dangerous and so this book are you familiar with the story of Faustus, Dr. Faustus. The Faustian Pact? Yes! Yes of course yes Okay in Goethe's version of Faustus In the beginning part of the play or book Faustus is all bummed out that he's a professor and he has got all of knowledge in the world He knows all this stuff and studied it for years And he was not any wiser than when he was just a kid

50:53 And so he picks up a book in the story and he opens the book and starts looking at it, and he's describing these diagrams. And he is waxing SO poetic about this! If I can find it real fast, I'll even give you a shot of it... He said, I've studied now philosophy and jurisprudence medicine and even alas theology. And through and through with ardor keen here now I stand poor fool and see i'm just as wise as formerly." Then he picks up this book and he goes ah what rapture at once is flowing through all my senses at the sight of this

51:43 I feel a youthful life, its holy bliss through nerve and vein run on new glowing. Was it a god who wrote these signs that still my inner tumult? That fill my wretched heart with ecstasy unveiling with mysterious potency the powers of nature round and about me?" Well the book that he was looking at was von Welling's book! that was very, very popular among the alchemists of that day. And it became the knowledge lecture book for a group of German hermetic occultists and Freemasons called The Gold und Rosenkreuzen. And I'm probably saying that wrong. And The Gold und Rosenkreuzen

52:43 were the inspiration to guys in England who could read German, who became the Society Rosicruciana in Anglica which became The Golden Dawn. Bam! So this book not only inspired Goethe This book inspired and literally two generations created The Golden Dawn And of course, if you're familiar with the Golden Dawn mythos they said it was a German adept Frau Springl that gave Englishmen authority to start the Golden Dawn. Well we've since found out that there probably wasn't a real Frau Springl but this book was Frau Springl so a person named Patricia Baker

53:39 Who like my book by life with the spirits and she ran a head of film. Company in may wanted to do or at least option my book my life spirits for movie, yeah she got married machine her husband went to europe to buy and teach further home in west massachusetts and while they were antique shopping they found a 1742, I believe edition of this book in German. And they just bought it as an antique and when she got back she called me up and said, see I got this book it looks very occult and stuff have you ever heard of it? Yes, I had heard of it okay! I'd really heard of it but its never been

54:34 translated into English. And I said, I've heard about it's the most mysterious and cool book there wouldn't have been a golden dawn without it and all of this stuff. And she says well, I know the head in the German department over at Smith College here if I can get him to translate it do you think your friends at Weiser would publish it? And I said yeah! I think they would so that's what happened So thats how Beautiful beautiful all comes full circle and i do think like some of that stuff is really interesting the idea of extracting the spiritual essence out of sexual material or just material in general

55:20 And it kinda makes me think about how in today's world it seems like the war on drugs is crafted as a war on consciousness and something to keep us in this monday wave length of life that can be easily controlled not realize our true power you could almost make an analogy that. Our sex repressed culture both now and then, could have been for similar reasons that people who put forth those ideas like the church they know that there's value in potentially cracking that code of creation and maybe that That's really the goal of your they don't care if we bang they really don't care but they care if we unlock deeper levels of reality of consciousness cuz that's gonna upset their apple card control what you say that's a, do you agree with any of that i think that was.

56:12 Excellent that was well said and yes absolutely. Yes it is fine to put you to sleep but please don't use it the way god i like it i like it so let me get really weird with your first second i know its honor had but this is more fun at first minute if we pretend that it's not in the these are separate things but we talk a lot about aliens as well as spirits on the show surprise surprise right, what if we think about them as separate or autonomous beans there's a long history of encounters with both of these things.

56:48 that can be quite sexual and it makes me wonder if these other beans that were interacting with weather incubus succubi or sexual experimentations on some spacecraft. It almost seems like i don't know do these beans no this about human sexuality are they trying to crack the code of creation in a similar way just by tinkering around with individuals Or they just have a higher understanding of it and it's no big thing to them. Right people take those experiences quite personal and i guess it's on your head they should but at the same time it seems like the agenda isn't just a final year junkets to really get into the core of white what that creation process is like if there something that's not human and a human can do it they would wanna thinker under the hood of a human to figure out

57:44 Right. Or the same way that if we, say go to Europa you know the moon of Jupiter and get under the ice and see a bunch of cephalopods down there playing poker or something We would probably be incredibly curious as to the basic DNA makeup what makes them tick? And what makes them Thinking that every cell in our body, in some way is also connected to the mechanics of our consciousness. Not just the mechanics of why we got a long nose or bad teeth Every cell in our body has the code that with a proper analysis could tell us everything about our particular stage of consciousness

58:43 If we would do something like that to a cephalopod on Europa, can you imagine what they would do if they landed in Cleveland? Wow well hey this is been a lot of fun you know i wanted to try to make good use of our time and I know you've heard it all so i figured screw it we'll just jump right into the deep end of the pool and swim around for a bit. Thanks for taking the time, and for all the great books and great music that you cast out into the world do remind people where they can find your work or follow up for more or any other projects you got going on

59:20 Okay, well my regular thing is my Facebook page. So I got a Facebook fan page and then Facebook friend page and that's just Lon Milo Duquette but as far as all of my books and cards and CDs and things like that you can go to Amazon Amazon music for my music and books were. My books and my music is also on spotify and cd baby and bandura this wherever you buy music, my CDs and downloads are available but mostly amazon will give me everything

1:00:02 Very cool. Well, thanks again had a great time I've certainly learned a lot and benefited from a lot of these ideas Taking control of one's life and stumbling into what feels like my place in the world And I've got you in part to thank for that so much appreciated and take care out there Okay Thanks for having me on and hopefully in a year or so they'll be another book first to talk about I'm sure there will be cheers until then Okay, Greg bye-bye Eureka, dear people! The long-awaited return of Lone Milo DeKette. Magic Master extraordinaire and I know there are a lot of mixed feelings out there about magic and magic oriented fraternities And nobody's telling you to join or not join anything not even Lon. I've never been a group man myself contrary to what some of the trolls out there like to say

1:01:01 What if i have the opportunity to pry into a person who has been tackling this sort of stuff their whole life. I'm gonna do it i've always enjoyed lines writing but i find that, all in your head answer to be a bit hard to wrestle with because its just so all encompassing and overarching. Did it create say umbrella which all answers just kinda lead back to that But when I think about ritual and the accounts that i've heard of certain manifestations, it is curious that they tend to appear differently to different people. And there is this sort of spectral quality to things. Is it possible that these are projected aspects of the deeper individual? Not really a separate or subjective summoning of a particular spirit

1:01:51 I don't know. I try not to make very many conclusions about phenomenon that i haven't experienced because people are generally quick to dismiss the limited range of high strangeness, I have experienced and it's like if you haven't gone there firsthand You probably should stop trying to weigh in on it too much with uneducated conclusions but just based on the reports that I have read and all their variants What is the beans being less than solid in a lot of cases and based on the insights of a career magician maybe there's something to it, it's clearly a highly debated topic even among the experts and i'm definitely more attracted to the idea that these entities are separate but i don't wanna close the door on me wider range of explanations either.

1:02:44 I was also happy to just have an opportunity to get Lon back on since i know a lot more about the nuances of western occultism than i did on our first go around. I particularly wanted to talk more about these sexual aspects or really the sexual interests of these beings and the provocative term angel sperm that i'd heard him mention And of course a lot of that didn't get unpacked until the second hour because the first was...a little bit anecdote heavy. Again, just the nature of a conversation and another reason why a Plus membership is so much better than only hearing the free show sometimes we've barely had liftoff 45 minutes in! Not really a bad thing but it's just a reality while we're on the subject the topics that did comprise the second half would be

1:03:37 Why demons and aliens seem so interested in our sexuality. The infinite applications of crack in human sexuality and life creation, angel sperm, money magic, magicians in the elite... And finally Lon's thoughts on the death process So insightful stuff I thought it was a good time! I got to ask what I wanted to ask and Lon is an insightful guy And despite what some of you might think about magic practitioners in general, I know we have a big audience of many varied opinions so i know there's going to be some criticism but. I would assume that your still interested and hearing the thoughts of someone who practices magic at lawns level nobody was ever well served by forming strong opinions while also being under informed

1:04:28 Which, speaking of under-informed and strong opinions I guess that brings me to the big scary virus out there. Clearly you guys know I record THC interviews in advance sometimes pretty far in advance actually. I have some life commitments and a birthday in the second half of March so I recorded four interviews in the first couple weeks Pretty much all before coronavirus coverage hit the full on panic button So you probably won't hear about it, at least in the interviews that I do for a while. If you want to get a good idea of what conspiracy researchers are thinking about this particular story, I recommend John Rappaport who we've talked to a few times in the past His website is nomorefakenews.com Using that fake news term before it was cool

1:05:18 And David Icke's website actually just posted a pretty good summary of several various threads that are worth considering when looking at this virus and where it came from. Personally, i would guess that a lot of us are sick of hearing about this thing there is so much hype and panic and over preparation that im just fatigued i was in l.a over the weekend cuz i was invited to be on an episode of the youtube show middle ground, so a few buddies of mine went with me up there too have a good weekend built around this filming And at breakfast yesterday the owner was getting wasted at the bar and on the way out he essentially thanked us for our bravery and patronage, and bought us some shots. So whiskey before 10am wasn't a thing yesterday but what can i say I'm a bit of yes man these days. But it was also saying well this is probably gonna destroy my business and its been a good ride in just a lot of the whole end as nigh mindset stuff

1:06:23 A little bit over the top, but I also don't own a huge restaurant on a big corner lot in one of the most expensive cities in the country. And I think that Governor of California is on TV as we speak right now asking restaurants and bars to close for awhile. And I do worry much more about the downstream effect on people and businesses that just can't weather a bad month or two more than I worry about a virus We've done many shows about maintaining a healthy system, many guests who have had great advice with proven results. And I think you're better prepared to handle this than you might realize. Now we've also talked about the very well-established link between stress levels and the immune system! That's something you can control! Woosa! Woosa! Serenity now! Don't let your friends and family get so worked up that they crash their own systems

1:07:20 Healthy body, healthy mind. And magic doesn't hurt either I'm sure But when this is over, I do hope that people take away a few lessons regarding lifestyle diet Self-sufficiency and how quickly the systems outside of your control that you might take for granted can fail I also think whether this virus is real or not organic or engineered 5g and pollution related or some sort of bioweapon the amount of panic we've seen, the amount of control that the public has been willing to surrender. It's a strong indication to me that they've just discovered truly how effective this tool is not they didn't have a pretty good idea but just look around they can do anything with it restrict travel close businesses and even crash economies

1:08:15 Even though our economy has been a powder keg for a long time, essentially built to fail ever since the infamous Jekyll Island meeting. It's still made for a very convenient scapegoat this week and nobody talks about Epstein anymore but you know I just wanted to mention it and let people know that the next three or four THCs are probably not going to be about this virus panic unless i record one this week and inject it into the lineup... And I don't really have plans to do that And I hope people are actually relieved to hear this. I hope we all want to hear about topics that are unrelated of this thing, because it's just too damn much! If you haven't signed up for THC+, if you're just going to be sitting around it might be a good time to do so! Lots of extra hours you haven't heard! Help me help YOU and all that... But that is today show

1:09:12 Nice to get back into practical magic, it has been a while. And with that I'm getting out of here! Your move vast manifestations of the consciousness container personal projections and all the things inside The One Big Head You're fuckin' Because you're my eyesight Watch out I like Can't stand running around

1:10:12 I can't stand no doubt Once you're mine Perhaps I spell on the flame to do the time, yeah, yeah I ain't gonna take

1:11:37 None of your proving round And I can't stand No putting me down Yeah, yeah, yeah Spell on you, yeah, see you're mine The highest I spell on you

1:12:18 You're not afraid to do the time Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh