Kris Millegan | TrineDay, CIA Drug Trafficking, & The Secret Society Leviathan

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the fireside chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a- I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats

01:29 Here we go Hiresight Chatters, another day another deep dive into the unseen things that make the world go round. From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and many of us are well aware by now that the world is really run from the shadows The Hidden Hand The Invisible Empire The Puppet Masters or the Capstone Cabal Call it what you want but what you don't learn about in school is the true power of these secret societies think tanks and interlocking organizations set on shaping the world in their image Yes, the oily appendages and nefarious few are firmly wrapped around nearly every aspect of life. Finance, weapons, energy, food, education, medicine, media and more... But there is always a little light in the darkness and many of us probably remember the first time we stumbled across a book that changed our perspective and opened our minds to the secret society subtext they'd rather we not know about

02:18 It's true that the most powerful tools we have are knowledge and the numbers, and these are the reasons why we're always meant to be divided. And why book burning is a crucial component of any good old-fashioned tyrannical takeover Well, today's guest Chris Milligan has definitely given them plenty of fuel for the next fire as he is the man behind Trine Day. One of my favorite publishers on the planet He's been putting out some of the most eye-opening and credible conspiratorial content available since he started the company in the year 2000 But his story really starts with his father, who was in the Office of Strategic Services, Military Intelligence G2 and later was in the CIA rising to branch chief head of intelligence analysis for East Asia. Well one day in the late 60's his father disclosed some things to Chris that he didn't fully understand at the time

03:09 But those breadcrumbs led to over 30 years of research into the subjects of CIA drugs, clandestine operations, conspiracy theory and secret societies. I'm sure it's been quite a ride he has even been published in high times along the way haha He has had a huge impact on me and if you're a fan of this show or have had a bigger influence on what i've been doing for 10 year then you probably know So let's get into it. The great para-political publisher, secret society sleuth and literary luminary from High Times to the Higher Side Chats, Chris Mommane welcome to THC Thank you thank kindly good lord yes man thanks for being here i really wanted to try to roll out the red carpet of introductions for ya because the books you've produced have been featured here. Many times and i couldn't do what i do without the great authors and work that you have published just reminds me a long time listeners who and what would fall under the trying day umbrella,

04:04 That would be Peter Lavenda's Sinister Forces, Dr. Mary's Monkey by Ed Haslam, Me and Lee by Judith Vary Baker, Lieber 420 by Chris Bennett, Laurie Hanrahan's Epidemic, Nick Bryant's The Franklin Scandal, The Most Dangerous Book in the World 9-11 as a Mass Ritual by S K Bain, Daniel Estelin's great books and of course Anthony Sutton's work on Skull & Bones and the 700 plus page Fleshing Out Skull & Bones that you also contributed to And that's a good chunk of it clearly any fans of this show are likely trying day fans as well know what or not and let start there maybe you can give us a little bit more context for the trying days story how did you get started in publishing how to land on that name had tried come to be. Well i'm a musician mostly and,

04:53 I became a publisher i was running a email list called cia drugs and had daniel hopsicker on there in a lot of other people. And nine eleven happened and we were all deconstructing it and then after awhile daniel he started crying he says, i've written the book and its been with an agent for over two years in new york and nobody's gonna publish it And i says well okay and i just got a computer on my desk they tell me i can make a book this is come on out and will make a book. And friend of mine had made a book for his wife and so i got together with him we got together with daniel and we may bury in the boys and become friends with professor satin,

05:50 He told me says his book was going out of print because it was being printed by a mom and pop printer up in montana and they were retiring. And i said oh antony that can't happen your book is never been hardcover never been in libraries so i talk to you, daniel about it popsicle he said he just want to do this book and sell I went out and bought five thousand dollars and started trying day little knowing what i was doing and. I wanna contest with my cover design for america's secret establishment got a distribution contract, and try and came at first come up with the name good day publishing but that was already taken. And i like all encyclopedias in dictionaries and i was reading through the dictionary

06:44 And i came across the word trying and it said auspicious one of its meetings and i says well that's kind of like good. And i said will there is a double day why can't there be a trying to try and also sounds like a trying day, and you know going to work in be trying so i figured Why not call it trying day yes i like that obviously i like a good play on words myself but let me also ask you about. The betting of the books that you release i personally think they're really high quality and academic as opposed to just throwing wild claims around my can happen, it seems like the intellectual integrity is pretty important what makes it into the trying day library it's gotta be difficult part of the process right

07:34 Yeah i mean i turned down more books and i publish it was very very interesting when i you know i can't with america's secret establishment. Was looking around for other books and i got introduced to lieutenant colonel dan marvin, Who's the only lieutenant colonel i know who didn't graduate from high school because he was an assassin among other things and had a relationship to the jfk story assassination. And i thought well that what is book is gonna be about but no it was this little book about vietnam,

08:10 And i knew a lot of the story because my father had been in vietnam and fifty six and because that i've been doing a lot of study about it. And so i understood his book and i says good will print his book as our second book and then we did flashing out skull and bones but long behold, the special forces association send us a letter and said that we had to declare lieutenant colonel marvin's book fiction And you know I looked at my constitution and i says hmm. I don't see the special forces association in the constitution saying what we can and cannot print, they had been doing that they'd already shut down a huge big story on cnn about the yellow rain the use of nerve gas and oxen's in laos

09:02 And what happened there was people at the special forces association got a hold of henry kissinger and he called the head of cnn the president the president said all this is bad story we don't know how come. These reporters did this in blood a lot of black well what most people dont know is that the two producers have that story, sued CNN and won a big judgment and stand by the story today. And we had to go to court in South Carolina, Charleston, South Carolina you know this Lieutenant Colonel from New York and this hippie from Mountain Oregon and they figured they're just gonna slam dunk it well We got a unanimous verdict that it was a true story and we didn't have to change into fiction The other thing that happened was all of us sudden

09:56 I just got deluged with with manuscripts like lavender sinister forces and a bunch of other ones because. Very in the boys wasn't the only book that was circling new york within agent not gonna get printed there is quite a few what we do is we print suppress books, and like you were talking to know there's a reason why they burn books and there's a reason why i print them and another thing is she my dad He started talking to me and you know i didn't understand what he was saying. I start doing research into drugs in it told somebody about some of my research and some of the stuff my dad told me, add they said well your conspiracy theorist and this was in nineteen seventies

10:47 And so i start to scratch my head and say what is a conspiracy theorist. And so i proceed to take on conspiracy theory as an intellectual discipline, enter study exactly what conspiracy theory it's very wide discipline includes a lot of subject one other things i found is that conspiracy theory doesn't have to be true to have an effect And i mean when i first went out there i would go to bookstores every kind of bookstore i could find religious feminist straight every bookstore i can find and i would go in and say ok where is your conspiracy section. All of them had at least one book,

11:34 So i started reading these books and these books are basically what are known as screens. And so i read these books and i take a hash because i mean i can find a book that blames it all in the mason's i can find a book that blames at all on the catholics i can find a book to blame should all the more is like and find a book that blends along with hippies i can find a book that blamed on the second humanist, And so i said well she's a kind of formula books kinda getting people in the little camp so that they don't like the people over there. Getting people to fight each other conspiracy theory is used as much as the quote unquote mainstream poop who's it, they use all the time and people use it everyday to make decisions the other thing that i found was that

12:23 I would get the screen i would get to their bibliography and i go to those books in the night. Read your bibliography pretty soon you're away from the screen and you're into books about banking drugs in the hardest thing i could find was, what's about secret societies because my dad he didn't mention stone bones. No thing is that he had mentioned was well i said this so many times it's not funny but My dad the day before my twentieth birthday and took me into a room at the house with this professor from vanderbilt dr df living, he didn't say hi or anything i just sat down and he sitting down he looked at me says. Vietnam wars about drugs there's secret societies behind it and i'm thinking okay talk about the mafia

13:16 And then he says, and communism is all a sham. These same secret societies are behind it. It's all a big game! And at that point in time i think my dad's nuts you know what i mean i've been stuck under the desk is a risky we're gonna bomb us and it doesn't compute so, trying to thank whats going on this little light bulb comes on says oh. Dad is having the drug talk with me because he had the other one i was already married and had a six month old kid But i was growing my hair long and smoking pot so i start to straighten up in my chair and im waiting for my dad tell me that stop smoking pot buddy. Doesn't he tells me all about his intelligence career which is never been mentioned in the house except for discussions between, mean my brother and sister and then they went into star talking about

14:17 How my dad in this doc they been involved in putting together a separate report for eisenhower administration and my dad start tell me there playing out a loose scenario in vietnam because in this. Documents it will if this happens is probably what happened in blood about he said they're playing out a loose scenario. I'm nineteen almost twenty i am still trying to get my head around the fact that hey kid we want you to go over there too this country and we want you to kill people And then they say and there's rules about how you have to kill him. And so i'm trying to get my head around that and then i am my dad telling me, that their playing out a loose scenario i mean just doesn't compute at all just doesn't compute in the start going into psychological warfare and sway pieces it becomes very

15:18 I am no idea what my dad's talking about it just doesn't compute and so. It took me a long time to come across professor sutton book america secret establishment he put it out in nineteen eighty six i came across it nineteen eighty eight, and it made sense of what my dad was trying to tell me but at that point in time my dad was real ill he dead parkinson's for at least ten years by then And i had been taking all kinds of medication and he soon died in early nineteen ninety. Pancreatic cancer so i really never got to talk to but then later on after you died i gotta go through his papers and was very very interesting, the most interesting thing was at the time i was trying to figure out drugs

16:15 I was trying to figure out about the golden triangle in the town of changmai thailand because all my. Research showed that it was a heroine city at that time and all the big banks had branches here there is a four lane highway to the golden triangle right, and i've been told that in my lifetime it has been a small town now second largest city in thailand so After my dad dies i'm looking at his papers and he taken a trip in nineteen fifty six that it really change things because. My dad soon left the CIA. He visited land still in vietnam at that time and so i see in this fifty six trip that he been in chiang mai,

16:59 Good i can ask my mom next time i see her how big chennai was in nineteen fifty six so next time i met my parents house i asked my mom is a mom. How big was chain mine nineteen fifty six when you were there and she says it wasn't very big the biggest thing in town was the church i've got some pictures, And so she sitting on the couch and right next to her is your book case in up there's a bunch of picture books tonight. Going down the picture book from that nineteen fifty six trip she says and thats when i stop believing everything i read the newspapers, and that really hurt my ears out because my mother was very good cia wife i would ask you questions all the time and she said i don't know what it is

17:46 Isis mom what do you mean she said that's when she stopped believing everything to read the newspapers and she says well we been in thailand vietnam. And we went from there too bangkok and chennai and when were in bangkok and cheng mai the big story in the newspaper was about this big battle in vietnam right where we had been, inches it was no bad we're having a picnic Okay so return picture book back and i see ya there's my parents in twenty nine yet man. Here is a picture of my dad with lands down there some other pictures of ed land still on then there this beautiful, just gorgeous picture of my mother she just by basis and i ended up showing it to my siblings and became one of her main pictures in her memorial

18:41 You can see in this picture standing up and skirts kinda swirling. On the ground underneath you can see landsdale sitting there with a plate and obviously they're having picnic in their seats people with fatigues and all those ranger type hats and, What my mother writes next to the picture it says you dora cuz that's your name is your door out from saigon with. Colonel lansdale and north vietnamese military leaders. So you have a picnic but tell the world that you having a bad why do you do that well you gotta get there. Side pardon got to get people in the villages disable who are you for who you for,

19:31 You are in the side and then they sent american new zealand australian canadian boys and girls and others to war. And they only want to work for one year okay those boys and girls knew that if they survived one year, they gotta go back and go see their friends do what they were doing yeah and If the time weren't my dad had this meeting in 56 at Toi Ninh, Vietnam which is also the home of a secret society called Cao Dao. Lansdale had recently taken over the Golden Triangle because when the Americans went into Vietnam after Bien Van Phu and actually Lansdale had been there before then but when America officially went in there after Bien Van Phu or however you say that name

20:27 The french intelligence and course again mafia didn't leave the golden triangle. They stayed there in their book called the chinese try ads it's actually written by oh i can take this name right now is a big as well did it guy in his first booking talks about, How are currently and still waiting god is on course again lucien conan. And had one of the very few shooting wars between western intelligence agencies and actually what up, and took over the golden triangle so what my daddy was saying was absolutely true vietnam war was about drugs it was about taking boys and girls to hell for one year

21:14 And getting some of the addicted to the heroine that was being proffered to him by anybody that was twelve years and up and then after a year they went home. As a junkie and what is it junkie do they sell john. That's right in that was about creating this drug culture because, Here's one thing that i did you through my years of studying conspiracy theory and reading books is that we all together as a society in our unit to values have. Failsafe devices because we really are into killing ourselves off going and jumping off cliffs were actually more into being fruitful and multiply and so, our first fail safe device is known as the dialectic

22:11 I call it the dark hallway because you're in a dark hallway and you might go when you bump into one side no after while you my bump into the other side. Now i say some things i know are true about secret societies intelligence agencies and drug running and then i find people that i know or spooks, Saying stuff just a little bit more outrageous there's truth but it has some lies in because by controlling the extremes. You control the middle yes so this dialectic failsafe device can be manipulated is that it will know we have another failsafe device and that is called the cycle of generations

23:04 And there's a great book called generations history of america future by strassen how trying day doesn't publish this one but it's a great book anyway. In their they show that there is a reactive and adaptive civic and idealistic generation of cohorts that work together to move his street forward because, America when it started wasn't perfect we still are but were always working towards a more perfect union america at its core is governance from the bottom up in the secret societies always want to have governments from the top down. So in this book generations they show that all during america there was only one generation that didn't go here that didn't come together,

23:57 And this was the generation that were teens and preteens in eighteen sixties and some people join generations before someone joined generations after. Some of them just went out in the woods and did weird stuff and so they talk about it there, it was because of the assassination of a president war and then opium and this was a civic generation that didn't go here What did that mean? Well, that meant by the time that those teens and preteens grew up our civics went off the rails because we didn't have a civics generation. What happened there? Well, The Secret Societies because of opium took us to war and also because they like war. The Spanish-American War was brought to us by yellow journalism

25:02 And a false flag they said all the spanish blow up the main well they didn't there's a great big. Naval report that shows it will crash it was blown up from inside but outside and you see you had a gentleman by the name of teddy roosevelt, well during the lead-up to these Spanish american war teddy roosevelt was under secretary of navy one day the secretary of navy he had the gout And he went home early teddy went up to the desk and send off a whole bunch of missives.

25:39 When the secretary of navy came back he said teddy what did you do and he never went home early again because if u look at this american war. A lot of the yellow journalism was all devoted to getting the american public all hopped up, i can't explain how they were treating the people in cuba that's was one of the first mentions of concentration camps and all this type of stuff So they finally got the american people and after the main blue up there able to take our country to war. What if you look at the historical record we didn't go to cuba right away but what did we do right away, we took the philippines because that's what teddy had done he'd sent off these notices to parry

26:30 And our ships came in and the filipino people were already fighting spanish. And we met them on the beach and we said my little brown brother we need to take care of you and we fought a horrific war there rape pillage burn villages mark twain got himself in a lot of trouble talking about it and why did we do that, They did that because of opium skull and bones started by lonzo taft in william huntington russell, william huntington russell family business was rustling company which was the third largest opening smuggling company in the world and the largest in the united states.

27:17 And they became very powerful because after the first opium war russell and company was the only. Business in canton because of french and everybody else left but the american state so we made some very very, good contacts me you think there's any secret societies in china i mean i don't know who is it so you got these secrets ideas from the west making a very good contact with chinese And so the headless cash cow at the second opium war. Opium became legal it took a little while for these chinese to figure out what i don't need you smugglers anymore but if you look at this record, up until going bone sold their thing to these german folks

28:06 They had eighty five percent of the emerging steel infrastructure in the far east and calling railroads, and steamships when they finally sold it gone down to fifteen percent because i lost their cash cow and so. The spanish american war we took the philippines we sent over arthur mccarthur as a first military governor. They declared the war over before was over and sent over William howard as a first civilian governor william howard was the member of the order skull and bones son of one of the founders all on zotac. The only person in history to be both president united states and chief justice of the supreme court when he was over there,

28:53 McKinley asked him twice to be on the supreme court and taft was a big guy he look good in black robes. And it was already knowledge that that's what you want to do with beyond the supreme court well can we ask them twice she turned down, and then mckinley shot and roosevelt president and roosevelt asked him to be secretary of war he says ok i'll come back and be secretary warm my daddy was secretary war If you look at the historical record between mckinley asking him to be on the supreme court and roosevelt asking bc war and leaving the philippines he made opium illegal for the first time in modern asia.

29:39 And if you make it illegal, I guess then you need smugglers. Right? Indeed. And then Taft helped start the Hague and the Shanghai conventions which gave us the prohibitions that we have today and those prohibitions have nothing to do with our health with our community or our children. Those prohibitions have to do with Keeping plants illegal so that you can sell them sometimes for more than gold and some of these plants in certain places can be grown three times a year. So they had this plan again to try and make the 1960 kids not go here because by having these kids in the 1860's not go here especially the civic group

30:32 They were able to completely transform our republic because after the spanish american war well we went to war every twenty years. Every generation would you do in the ward and what are the other thing is through manipulation they were able to get in, the income tax and fake money the federal reserve So you got those two in place and then you gotta get the people in debt so you have world war one and then you have world war two.

31:08 And one thing they didn't world war two places all you know we gotta meet the japs and the hounds and oh i did gonna take money everybody's got a sacrifice. We're gonna have a victory tax well it's not gonna last forever we're going to make easier for you to pay where can i go to your employer, and we're gonna take it directly out of there won't that be great What that did okay it raised the people paying income tax from about twenty percent of the population to sixty percent of the population so nineteen sixties. They're working on to make it so the boomer generation doesn't go here we don't come together with just this. P stout drugged out generation what they want and so they have to have in place by nineteen fifty three things,

31:59 The modern education system dumbing us down and that was brought to us quite openly through a masonic program started in the twenties very open. And then the other thing they need to have in place what's television not just television but television that ran at sixty cycles per second, that left a little flicker there because of you read any book about hypnosis it'll tell you that is sixty cycle flicker will put into a trance Make you believe what you're saying the brain will trick the body in the sitting in front of it because the brains addicted to it. Television patterns go back to the twenties and you see only north america, edge of pan run on the ntsc system that runs a sixty cycles all the restaurant at fifty five wow because the secret societies are targeting america and they don't like japan either they like to use japan

33:00 Basically why is a we were supposed to be this piece dot drugged out generation so they need have television the modern education system and innocent drug culture. The beats and what not soap what happens is lsd, add marijuana to a certain extent shares they did this huge big psychological operation psychological warfare operation about marijuana gateway drug It's not really a gateway job but they wanted to do that so that people would be predisposed and heroin the dynamic of heroines pretty easy here can you want some. Oh like some more well then how about your friends now lsd can be used, do disrupt but it doesn't let itself to control i mean you turn somebody into a junkie in

33:57 They're behind the eight ball they gotta keep their nose to the grindstone so that gets more yeah lsd does different things a different people. And it just wasn't control so basically what happened was, The boomer generation we were supposed to go here like i said was supposed to be a piece dot drugged out generation did co here we go here this hippies around the joint being smoked around the circle yeah, and the history channel did a big two hours special of the hippies is ok what came out of the hippies. And they said at the end of the day what came out the hippies was a personal computer in the internet

34:38 And my posit is those are the tools that we as a society all of us together are using to fight the corruption and that's what it is its corruption people using secrecy, tell i cheat and steal and corrupt our government and corrupt or social order right. The internet is a bit of a double edged sword but absolutely see what you're saying yeah well a lot of these things are double edge swords Things are things right it depends on what you do with them i can take a gun i can use it as an error. Is there is a guy in the right and lots of different things so, it gets down to we have free will we can do what we want and these people have to manipulate that now another thing i did just been looking at this for a long time is here is how the secret societies your control mechanism

35:34 It's a live on three levels in each level has three parts and the top level is mining metal and money. You think about it if you could control the mining where the metal comes from that money supposed to be based on you being a pretty good position right yeah and so when i look at skull and bones, i find that gosh there's all these people don't mind in all these mining engineers and stuff. I had a book strongly recommend people reading its called calling all angels

36:11 And this gentleman came at me he had this big book called the gold grab i mean it was eight nine hundred pages. It was thick and dancing he wasn't victim in victims have, they have a way of writing they want to take you down every alley because it gives them some validation cuz this guy been attacked by george bush all kinds of stuff because she was a mining engineer Is daddy was a mining engineer his granddaddy was a manning engineer is great granddaddy was a minor who. Was a forty nine or made a stake in forty nine was part of the com stock load and what's your president of central pacific can this guy could affect him in a. This is ok steven will get your second book out here it me he finally got gold grab printed in poland,

37:00 What according to world catalog of books it's not even official book and so hard to find some funny but we did this calling all angels book. And i knew was gonna cause some problems but he really wanted out nice is ok let's do what i got his book to him he was living in london, can you dead in seven days you get run over by hit and run lori The book tells a lot story about stanford and how the secret society i mean it's a long story but the internet. And the personal computer allows me with help from some friends to be a publisher in the internet allows need tell people about it i mean there is this whole new media being created so get back to this live at on top level mining metal money,

37:56 The middle is very active area they use war a lot and different things but it's drugs guns. And oil in an oil we also include the medical establishment because a lot of the big pharma is made from oil you see was actually in eighteen fifty five doctor benjamin silliman junior member of the order skull bones With petroleum rock oil sample he made for the very first time gasoline. And paraffin and he said gentleman i think you have some very valuable products from a very inexpensive process here as soon as she wrote that note to the pennsylvania rock oil company of new york it was sold, who investors in new haven connecticut were skull and bones is based and the best souls

38:54 Who would started the pennsylvania rockwell company in new york and the towns into date gone to financing for soon had their very sons. In yale in the order of skull and bones and there's rockefeller's in school and boats, the only reason we go to the oil store is because they own it right there are a bunch of other ways to make energy yes And then the drugs part i can already talked about and then guns arms. Connecticut where skull and bones is based all the browning automatic rifles world war one world war two were produced in a factory, illustrate line up from the temple of skull and bones on high street in new haven

39:45 And many gun manufacturers of course the helicopters the submarines roll there in connecticut g was in connecticut and until they got the bright idea of, oh gosh we better spread this all around the country so we've gotten congress it was heavily heavily based there in connecticut through skull and bones. And then where does my phone meets road its media Because they have to control the media or you know Other people might start talking And then you have movies slash music because you've got to control the culture Or it'll bite you in the ass. Yeah, and then at the very end is quote unquote magic The ability to hoodwink us and their preponderance on doing mass trauma rituals To scare the hecker that be jesus out of ya

40:39 Because at its core, the Kennedy assassination was a mass trauma ritual. It was the killing of the king and 9-11 again was a mass trauma ritual. It puts you into shock! You smash the archetypes and then you build them back up the way that you want It's criminal what they're doing and I'd like to see it stop. Amen amen wow and you've broken down some super interesting subtext to history the whole secret societal structure as well the generational cycles i mean at all just make such methodical sense, add on this subject jfk i'm sure that

41:23 some of the added layers that books you put out i'm sure they've ruffled some feathers and that's something i can ask about because we have the mainstream narratives that are completely controlled we know that, then you have to be skeptical really any story that reaches your tv or movie screen like he said they control the opposition as well in new york times and cnn don't just cover things that day. Don't want us to know and so in the JFK assassination context we have this famous Oliver stone film about jfk meanwhile doctor mary's monkey and me and lee there right there prime for everyone to know about him it goes on tap doesn't make it. Do the hollywood machine where a lot of books are propelled too, the general collective unconscious i mean everybody knows about something once its made into a movie

42:15 I'm just curious is anyone ever tried to take these up alternative threads that you're familiar with like the doctor mary's monkey saga and elevated to that level. Tons tons i've been down there a bunch of times talking to people first off daniel excellent true story of the builder group, He had a contract for hundred and twenty million dollar blockbuster movie that got through his agent. In europe in part of the reason that daniel you know after nobody would publish is broken he like jaded task by wayne he called me up, and that's how i started to publish his books cuz nobody in new york with publishing

43:03 And what reasons he was doing that was because he had this contract and the contract wouldn't be valid unless you had a book in english. And so we go to la and we meet the people that own the terminator franchise. They're the ones that have given the contract today. And we meet him down there at the four seasons in beverly hills and i mentioned i say well you know. You might have some political problems and they says well you know what's the head their next movie out,

43:41 They'd have enough money in their bucket wouldn't make any difference. I says, okay and There was a strike going on writer's strike or something but they were ahead of the strike then there movie was coming out and the video game was coming out on it and They did announce in Madrid where Daniel was living they announced 126 million dollar blockbuster movie on The True Story of the Bilderberg Group Well within a few weeks at company was bankrupt and when out there in the internet people were saying gosh we really don't know what happened they still have their money. Show them a little bit later on a gentleman who been executive producer at twenty four he was seeing how the powers that be were using twenty four to program psychological warfare,

44:43 So he decided to look and see if you could find what was really going on any came across trying days is how much does it books your that kinda tell what's really going on. And they wanted to make movies out of quite a few of our books. One of them they're working on is Franklin scandal wow and i mean there also working on terrible mistake doctor mary's monkey in. They got a academy award winning director and i'm their come down the get these meetings this place it's doing that they've got financing distribution and production they've got everything you need,

45:26 And i start getting calls from the sky first off michael rupert walks into a man says you can't make movies about that. Yeah to make movie bout me and then replace got broken into. Then it calls me up one time and they started getting computerized phone calls, You take one of them and could see where it was coming from and it was coming from a back office of the boston FBI office. They were saying oh we're glad you doing this to do this blah blah blah blah and then they got another one from, back office of a seattle FBI any guy calls me up what's going on is there spoofing the federal phone system its very easy to spoof if you know what your doing i'm sure that person just right there in LA

46:16 Then he calls me up another time and says you know i can't shake this white SUV was following him all around. And this guy was driving a ferrari then it calls me again and says well they're trying to get me fired, they're putting out rumors that im out on sunset selling oxycontin at night is my boss knows thats not true so that's fine until they continued on the continue working on these projects did it cost me one day And says I've got to take a sabbatical and i say why? And he says well somebody met my wife on the street corner. And said you know if your husband doesn't stop what is doing we're gonna kill him in then u, what are your children gonna do wow. Isis yeah okay go on your sabbatical. And he calls me back in a couple weeks and says well

47:17 I guess we're just making will ferrell movies wow. And i mean dr mary's monkey not through me but through mr haslam, he is i think sold the option on that for three or four times people have tried to find a position right he says i'm the executive producer right now because you are amazing stories amazing story yeah Well the fiftieth anniversary of the JFK what did we get we got parkland you know i mean they're obviously control one thing that's going on right now. Trump was supposed to happen in the two thousand sixteen election they use a machine.

48:05 And the media and bs to take bernie down and put hillary in there. And then they use those same machines in media to put trump right because the clinton's have never been anything more than new tenants, in the crime family in the bush crime family president united states a band new tenets. And there is too big black operations of the american government if you are rockefeller You can do whatever you want yeah so how come the rockefellers went to two of our poorest states west virginia and arkansas instead all. You guys need some help in governance here no well it's because i are too big black operations of our government are continuance of government where they have a complete shadow government all the way up to the president united states and then the drugs,

49:07 Continuance of government is based in west virginia parts pennsylvania and couple places here and they got a big presence in california now to the other one is drugs that was based on arkansas. It's because there mountainous areas you can do whatever you want in the mountains until somebody with gun comes up there and says don't. You never seen any cocaine get cotton, Walmart trucks have you never seen any cocaine in the tyson chickens is all these drug trades. You have quasi official drug trades going back to the nineteen twenties and actually farther okay, and whoever's at the end of a drug trade within the government they have a little fight them because they have independent money and they have intelligence

50:06 But they started stepping on each other toes, you know, you had the DEA bus and CIA ops and blah de blah de blah de blah right? Right. So basically George HW Bush as vice president under Ronald Reagan Was given the ages to take all these separate drug trades and try and put a more together and put him under quasi official generally through the NSA and have them run through arkansas. And we live in a wild world. Yes, yes All of us see that something isn't right Something's hinky something needs to change and that's one reason why we have things like you doing your higher side chats and I mean You aren't the only one out there doing podcasts? Do you know there's a lot of them it's continuing to grow and not only that but

51:03 What people are spending their time listening to them instead of listening to the news and i watch the news and i find good things in the news but like i tell people. Copy at lector be aware what you read don't be afraid to read something but be careful on what you believe in what your gonna base what should do one Because there's just so much out there i really think you have to expose yourself to lots of different viewpoints yeah i don't care who is you don't know at all.

51:44 We all have something to learn now also i'm gonna be in la april thirteenth and fourteenth at the l.a times book fair, john stone will be there oliver stones kid we have a book of his called new world order very good it's about secret societies and then john barber will be there he is the only guy to win five mvs Is book is called your mother's not a virgin it say amazing book you got fired from. MLA because he brought out jim garrison, he was the only guy that for last ten years of his life jim garrison would talk to and give interviews too and then also chris fulton the author of the inheritance

52:32 Will be there sometime and dick russell also said that he would stop by. And then also april fifth six and seven we're gonna be at a jfk conference put on by the jfk historical group, add the old college in only illinois again john barber is gonna be their crystal who's gonna speak there and then releasing a new book It'll be one of its first showings is called burying the lead and it's done by a professor at college in south carolina. Story of jfk assassination in the media and it's incredible book just shows how they play this for chumps, did very good also another book out there we got his call prolonging the agony it's about world war one shows how that they just

53:31 The war could have been done a lot earlier but they kept it going and its just also got printed in germany. Buy two guys from scotland very very good book you know then we got at the cold shoulder of history by james jenkins guy was twenty one year old, in the navy learning to be a pathologist do they call them up and said the president's body is gonna come here i want you to get more ready So he was in the morgue from like three o'clock in the afternoon till nine o'clock the next morning.

54:06 He stood at the shoulder of the president during the autopsy. When they needed, the body moved he moved it. He helped take the brain out. He helped take the organs out. He helped dress the president's body the next morning and normally when they address bodies, they split the clothes well They didn't split his clothes so it was quite a ordeal to get him on and they wouldn't allow this guy too Testify for the war and report when i'm to testify in when the house did their committees and it's amazing story we got two s a terry collie woods by jay dwyer yes where he gives his spin on what do you see is out there and we've got the trail a book buy.

54:57 One of the jfk is honor guard who helped carry the casket off for the plane and he had bought the JFK story as told for many many years until a gentleman by name of phil singer. Decided to get people from bethesda in the honor guard have a reunion got them all together and there was almost a fight broke out, Because these guys in the honor guard head that was your job their job is to protect the president's body and they got there in this one guy from bethesda says well you know. We actually got the president's body about half hour before you guys even showed up if these guys in the order card when the punch these guys out but finally both of them figured out wait a minute you guys are lying you guys are in line and,

55:51 The betrayal that this honor guard felt was just palatable it's amazing book and then you talked about me in leon dr mary monkey. They're just amazing books yeah and a lot of people i call the pooh boss because its funny in the jfk community right now we have two conferences we have the controlled conference and uncontrolled, In conference you can only talk about me and lead rice of lee in color names. And you can't bring up the fact that maybe lbj had for knowledge it's absolutely ridiculous but they have, prevail upon people to put me at least oh well she just made all of it was so funny i mean when i started this well she made this whole thing out

56:43 Well okay maybe she was a smart kid but she never went to new orleans. Okay well maybe she went to new orleans but you never knew lee okay well maybe she knew me but they were never lovers, you know moving the goalpost right and the years that have been wasted by denigrating your story instead of actually looking at it its almost criminal let me get people just one guy is this wow Addresses in the book it doesn't exist she's making all this up nice as well okay. The house that i live in used to have a different address about ten years ago,

57:27 Maybe with someone like that i know she's making it all up and i said ok monday morning i get a call the library there in florida is your address yeah that used to be the house of her father-in-law. Did i get somebody else from australia because judy knew something was going on so she saved all kinds of ephemera you know bus tickets and transfer tickets, And we put him in the book and this guy's well she bought all those off ebay nice is ok please find them. Go buy em and they came up with some transfer ticket from the sixties and sixty yeah is well okay really sad part of it yes,

58:15 A big reason why both doctor mary's monkey and me because he wrote a book called mary fair in the monkey virus before you did dr mary's monkey. And that one didn't include judith very baker, and that was a big hit along all the jfk but as soon as she brought into the bakery they just tried to stuff that book try to stop me late it's really sad A lot of it has to do with not just the JFK part, but the medical part. Oh yeah! The medical stuff changed my whole view of everything when he's talking about the Salk and Sabin polio vaccine tainted with a cancer-causing monkey virus that has to change your opinion of the whole cancer epidemic Right The whole thing is quite provable Matter fact there is great big book called The Virus in the Vaccine that documents the whole thing But they don't want to have this discussion

59:09 Because again, they're shutting down people's free speech about vaccines and you know this goes back to i sing what's gonna happen. They don't a lot of computer gaming if they just go for some political reason put guys with guns on the street corners all that does is drives the far left in the far right together and the only thing that actually pencils out his medical How come during nine eleven and a couple other big crisis type things. They had these you know medical like the anthrax because they want you to associate with it also, because the medical stuff is the only stuff that pencils out the laws are all in place

1:00:01 They can force vaccinate people they can force people to move all over the place i can put people on the street corners with guns because. Remember when that anthrax happen you had people got a box and where was that box it was out there front lawn in their hitting it with a ten foot stick, because it makes people irrational when you start talking about the health part of the whole thing The medical one is the only one that actually completely pencils out yeah it's a silent killer people won't see it like they'll see a guy on the street corner with a gun. Yeah mm hmm and the laws are in place for them to avoid being held responsible void lawsuits right but, like your new jean what do we have well we have a social thing and they've got control of people were there gonna do

1:00:56 We can look at chili okay what they do they use the sports stadiums. Here in Eugene we've got a sport stadium it's real close to the freeway and everything right across the street from it what you have, will you go to national guard thing with all kinds of fences that don't allow people out then you got the juvenile correctional thing for the harder cases they have in place but did he had the fingers at the end of the guns You know they wanna get us fighting you know Trump's base vs Bernie's base. Oh we hate each other blah blah blah so they can possibly use that as a pretense because I think at some point in time people are gonna feel their oats

1:01:46 and i hope for the best what's yours to that i want a better world for my children yes and it is hard to stay hopeful and positive but you do seem like a positive guy overall you seem hopeful the rabbit hole goes deep times are troubled but no we're not out yet so Like I say, go to trine day.com check out our books America's not the secret Franklin scandal American in the basement sinister forces series self-portrait of a scoundrel LBJ and the Kennedy killing Confessions of a DC madam The Great Heroin Coup silent coup profits of war Dorothy Tavistock Institute

1:02:30 I'm sure there's one there that you might find interesting. Yes indeed i was really gonna be my last question for it was a given people all the good stuff they need and there is a, could list of books to keep you busy trying day dot com told us about some upcoming events its really been an honor man i really do have a lot of respect for you in what you've done in the marquis left on the world And I will keep trying to use this new media to highlight that old media, and you keep coming out with the great books man. Thanks a million and take care out there! Thank you and God bless. Rock Me Like A Hurricane THC listeners how about that? A good ol' fashioned return... ...To the secret conspiratorial history of these here United States. If i didn't say it enough already, I am a big Chris Milligan fan

1:03:25 And I just feel a sort of kinship with him in the sense that he can look at the body of work that he's published, the company he's built and think about all the influence he has had. All the minds that have been affected by the work that he put out That he amplified. All this stuff that he personally contributed to conspiracy culture and how he has been able elevate discourse and keep high standard along the way It's super impressive and it sort of something that I strive for with what i'm doing. I think he is an inspiration in that regard, I know its not easy because there are those people who will talk a lot of shit about those who are savvy enough to find a way to make a living and push back against the machine at the same time which I don't get because we all have to make money why is only a criticism of somebody in the conspiracy realm?

1:04:20 If making money at what you do somehow makes you untrustworthy, we shouldn't trust anyone. At anything! How do I know this pharmacist is giving me the right prescription? They're just trying to make money. This mailman's probably not giving me the right mail he's just getting a paycheck Like a person's integrity has nothing to do necessarily with making a living What about those people who are making money at their jobs and exacerbating our problems Shouldn't they be criticized twice as hard I see now i'm getting all worked up but Chris has done just a great job of fighting an uphill battle promoting unpopular truths and i'm really just glad i got to talk to him about his whole story. Yes the history is fascinating and important but i really liked the anecdotes we got into about Trine Day which was more on The Plus Show, But can you actually imagine if Dr Mary's monkey got a true film treatment?

1:05:22 Can you imagine edward james almost playing doctor osher and fricken jamie lee curtis playing dr mary sherman and people sitting in a theater to see this film about cancer causing monkey viruses and biological warfare and leah harvey huswald in new orleans it would be amazing. Chris even mentioned that the Franklin scandal was actually on the table for a while and that is so crazy. This stuff is pretty raw just like the producer who said he'll have way less trouble in his life if he just keeps making Will Ferrell movies yeah

1:06:06 Chris could have spent his life publishing books like Life of Pi or Ready Player One. Nothing wrong with them, but nice softball lobs that would get picked up turned into a cash cow keep the slack-jawed stupid look on all our faces and now he's out sipping champagne with Ja Rule on his way to the Bahamas! It just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to have this platform and be able to highlight a guy for professional work that wasn't always easy or appreciated like it should be, And present it all to you guys in a way that maybe makes him feel like a large number of people are thankful for what he's done. Because we ARE a large number of people! You would actually need several Madison Square Gardens to hold us all

1:06:54 That's kinda cool. So I hope you check out Trine Day if you never have, I've read more of their books than probably any other publisher maybe Feral House and Inner Traditions would be contenders also but this is one of those episodes where i would love there to be no question in Chris' mind that THC was worth his time and would be the best place for his new release authors to appear wink-wink nudge-nudge ya know what im sayin? So please be so kind as to help me out there a little bit, maybe drop them a line. It's only going to help me make THC a better podcast for you because there are so many podcasts now trying to get into the pipeline right? It's all about pipelines and publishers and authors they've got to decide which ones are best for them! If you think I give a good interview and you like getting people for two hours instead of the typical one help me stay in the pipeline

1:07:56 It's not like I get my badge and now i'm in for life. It's something that always kind of needs reinforcement But as for the things that Chris actually said, I really like that he mentioned the control-the extremes control-the middle strategy for keeping secrets muddy The waters and take the truth and weave in a bunch of fantastic elements And once it's linked to something crazy nobody's gonna believe it Obviously that happens sometimes, which sucks. Because I know there's truth to that but i also really like hearing from people on those extremes. I like putting out those shows but I never want to inadvertently do more harm than good it's a difficult choice sometimes but that's why I just say yeah maybe and its up to you guys to decide what sounds credible. But Chris' dad's career sounds pretty wild

1:08:52 And there's a real butterfly effect kind of thing going on because he had that one conversation with Chris, told him the truths that had yet to be revealed. And now Chris has told that story all over the place for years, told it to tens of thousands of people just today and that's really cool in that sort of Bilbo Baggins small actions which snowball into huge impacts kinda way right? And it's also kind of a lesson in nuance, because I really don't know the extent of Chris' father's work or everything he did in his career. But he found out that the CIA had a drug smuggling operation and he said, I'm not down with that. So we got pushed out and his career and income that he had to provide for his family definitely changed

1:09:47 I don't know to what extent or if it was ever difficult for him but there were consequences so i think we should, I don't know tip our hat to Chris's dad and I can understand how after these comments and the comments on my last show some people might be thinking what is the deal here why are you trying to get us to think about good people in bad organizations well It's just something that came up, I guess almost three weeks in a row really if you consider some of the things that Mr. Suspicious Observers had to say but i think back to something that Dave Chappelle said when he was commenting on the Me Too movement and all the venom that these women came out with and believe me I get it

1:10:39 But there were some male actors like Ben Affleck who tried to say, yeah I'm on the side of the Me Too movement and then a bunch of people tweeted at him. What the fuck are you talking about? You're part of the problem yeah yeah And it's like whoa! I'm trying to tell you...I'm on your side and the way Dave put it is that in a lot of these movements You can't be overly vigilant because you're going to need some imperfect allies. And I've just been kind of folding that into our community as well, just something I've been thinking about, I guess. I don't even know how much it applies but i figured I'd mention it. I guess the point is that someone who was a cop or wasn't the CIA or worked for Big Pharma... That can't be

1:11:35 a scarlet letter on them that means they're forever tainted because turning your back on the machine is hard enough if you don't have the support of people why even do it? Because some people in these organizations can and do resist. Michael Rupert was another great example of that, maybe we could even say John Perkins with Confessions Of An Economic Hitman Obviously these people are the minority but we should make sure that they get credit when they do expose the underbelly of The Big Machine and give us a peek behind the curtain. Anyway, I also really liked Chris's breakdown of the secret societal structure. I think he touches on elements there that are sometimes left out of the equation like mining

1:12:25 So I hope you learned something. I hope you were entertained, whether you just heard the first free hour or the extended plus version as always sign up at The Higher Side Chats Plus dot com slash subscribe to become a member today in The Plus Show we got into a lot more questions on my part because just get through the history that is Chris's expertise takes about an hour in itself but in the second hour some of the things we talked about were where skull and bones activity has been in the last 20 years, and bonesmen in the current administration like Steve Mnuchin. Chris made some good points about using the Trump administration to restore confidence in American media and intelligence agencies. I thought that was a really great nuanced point about what Trump could be there for

1:13:20 But then we also talked about some upcoming stuff like the JFK inheritance book. Actually, that one's already out but upcoming would be the school world order I love that title and Some of the common core stuff That's going on in the education system Chris broke down some of the management and organizational elements of these secret societal structure some stuff beyond their financial pipelines Of course, we folded in the occult with magic and mass trauma rituals. The elites endgame! And we rounded it out with a little talk about the corporatization of marijuana and legalization thing there knowing all he knows about CIA drugs you have to think that these organizations are getting their fair share of the green too

1:14:11 But I loved a lot of those insights. Thought it was a really good show and in higher side news, the next joint session will be March 20th 7pm Pacific Time definitely consider joining us they've been getting better and better i'm having a lot of fun even though it seems like some of you guys know much more than I do but hey more power to ya so that's about it for me I've been working with the editor to try to keep a little bit better pacing going forward and i think we're off To, a good start. I got some really great stuff on my calendar and i'm psyched to get some of those next shows out for sure So until then...I guess I declare this meeting in the midnight society officially closed! I've done My part your move CIA drug smugglers power pyramid players and secret agents at the skull-and-bones Your fucking move Oh no

1:15:09 You see, the world isn't random it's attached to puppet strings Control over everything The 9-to-5 has tried to steal ya Now don't that job seem silly? Hello, can you hear me Or should I play back recordings from some spying agency? Wish we were younger and free. I'll be thankful when it's all exposed, a vast conspiracy There's such a difference between me now And the Denver child

1:16:07 Hollow from the highest side They're calling out a thousand cries They'll tell you the story Of everything that's been done Then they'll call out deception Of the web that's been spawned Hello from the higher side The earth is hollow I will tell you about something that no one else will Have you heard about sand? Have you heard about the real since the war? Oh, no They're cartoons

1:17:07 It's so typical of me to talk about the stuff I'm sorry that's good and well Did you ever hear the argument That nothing really happens, it's no secret And that the best is plus It's doubling your time Hello from the higher side They're calling out a thousand crimes They'll tell you something The elite have done And they'll call out deception Of the web that's been spawned Hello from the higher side

1:18:05 Challenging your path And I'll tell you something That the battle's begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind's where it's won At the war, at the war Hello from a higher side

1:18:56 They're calling out a thousand crimes They'll tell you all the things that you least have done And they'll call out deception Of the web that's been spun Far from the higher side Challenging your paradigm Then they'll tell you But we can't fight it with violence The mind's where it's run, that's the problem