Kosh | EVOs, Plasma Energy, UFOs, & The SAFIRE Project

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01:30 Here we go, Hireside Chatters taking a break from the day-to-day slip into some nightmarish digital dystopia. From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and one of the very important threads we've been following is that of ether physics alternative energy devices and the suppressed science that could revolutionize the world if you can only lift the corporate quarantine that's been placed over layers of reality that open such doors We've talked about bright minds in the past who promoted the importance of systems thinking, experimented with strange qualities of electricity, found some curious ways to harness the ether, developed over-unity energy devices and even unlocked the powers of electromagnetism and antigravity.

02:10 And the deeper we've gone into these areas, the stranger it gets with implications that reorganize our thoughts on consciousness, biology, non-human intelligence, energy abundance and even the structure of reality itself. And in the later stages of these conversations, we've talked to previous guests about the curious nature of self-organizing plasmas and their strange effects. Like Eric Dollard's cosmic induction generator experiment which seemed to produce emerging plasma galaxies inside a closed vacuum or our hidden energy show with Gene Manning and Susan Manowich that touched on the impressive work of Ken Shoulders

02:47 Well, recently we had Richard Dolan here and our UFO conversation also veered into the plasma space. And while he didn't feel qualified to comment much personally... He did say he knew someone much more knowledgeable on the subject and true to his word Richard got us linked up! He's been teaching me a lot in the past week and wouldn't you know it that someone is here with us today If you followed Richard's work on the very important Wilson memo regarding government interest in UFOs, you might have heard him mention the detailed analysis of the memo done by a person known as Kosh. And it is Kosh who also happens to know a great deal about alternative energy and just where plasmas fit in

03:27 Of course, he would say a better more specific term than plasmas would be exotic vacuum objects or EVOs but we'll get into that. Just to set the stage let it be known that Kosh has been studying cold fusion and exotic energy technologies for the past 15 years and UFOs even longer as He said to me he's going to soon be stepping away from this kind of all-consuming research But is willing to tell us what he knows before dedicating his brain space to other things Here to fill in the gaps of our esoteric energy knowledge and further our understanding in a way that very few can actually do, the Evo Educator himself, the mysterious and anonymous Kosh. Welcome to The Higher Side! Thank you I'm glad to be here

04:11 Man well i'm happy to have you thanks so much for doing this always like to try to give the listeners as much introductory context as i can and also definitely understand the desire to mentally move on. But this is something i couldn't miss to get this information on the record and hopefully push our understanding of reality into new territory maybe even be a little cathartic for you but, But to kick this off, I know this stuff is really complex. How would you like to introduce EVOs to the people? Well in short an EVO could be considered a form of self-organizing plasma Basically it's a combination of electrons and ions that configure potentially into a torus into a structure that has interior positive ions and exterior electrons

05:04 and somehow it can interact with the vacuum or the ether, the zero point energy field. The electron positron see whatever you want to call that all pervasive medium somehow it can manipulate that produce a wide range of anomalies Hmm. Very cool, very cool and I'm sure this is going to be new for a lot of people some aspect i hoped you could elaborate on pretty early here was that you said through your continued study you realize that the Evo phenomena is ubiquitous in nature where can people see this just so they could get a better idea or visual to wrap their heads around where we might see this in the natural world

05:45 Will for example whenever there's a spark discharge in the always created for brief moment maybe only transitory exist for micro second or less but if you're wearing socks and rub your feet on the carpet can you touch it. I'm doing not made of metal you could generate an evil with that spark discharge or if i am uc ball lightning that's an example of And you or for example even lightning itself they. People who have analyzed lightnings such as shoulders we will be talking about in a few minutes he analyze videos of lightning and lighting bolt is actually lead by an initial organized plasma that precedes the main current flow

06:36 So there's many different ways to see EVOs. Also, we're going to touch on this in a little bit but if you go online and look at the work of the sapphire project that's a group based in canada near toronto i believe they are producing itself organizing plasma and their reactor wraps around essential spherical anode. And it produces a beautiful plasma display and they're able to produce massive excess energy there able to produce all sorts of anomalies

07:13 So there's ways to observe it in real life, but I would say that once we continue along in this conversation people will get a better idea of what we're talking about. Fair fair and yes were gonna get into Kenneth our shoulders and also for people who have looked at the hidden energy alternative energy devices seen in the past You made a great point to me that it seems that many of the inventors who have made these devices in the ether physics alternative energy scene

07:48 They have said that they really don't know how it works often or they've mentioned that there's a mechanism that they don't understand but here is you know i can show numbers the kind of break our traditional physics but, even though are often in the dark about every part of the process and you think he was is that missing factor that so many of stumbled upon but haven't really been able to wrap their heads around. Yes i think you are that missing factor in a multitude of different exotic technologies going back all the way to tesla basically whenever you have out of equilibrium

08:24 Conditions and a plasma environment you will produce evils. It goes all the way back to nikola tesla there's a whole list of inventors we will touch upon tonight that i'm looking back if you understand this phenomenon they were utilizing the phenomenon may not even recognized it as the phenomena they would not have had In some cases like nikola tesla he would not have known that his spark gaps were producing videos but he was utilizing some of the same principles as can shoulders with this video generators.

09:03 We'll go into a lot of details of this in the little bit but EVOs can be transitory. They can be long lasting and self-sustaining, and they can take different forms and they can also scale from little tiny EVO's for example in cavitation based systems where you have lots of bubbles in a liquid to try to produce excess energy Access energy such as let's say in a generator or browns gas generator the little cavitation bubbles produce videos. Or you know in a big spark gap system like in a tesla call your producing videos and they can serve as a way of producing a gain of energy

09:43 Either by inducing what's called cold fusion effects, also known as LENR which stands for low energy nuclear reactions or perhaps by tapping and interacting with the zero point energy field itself. I love it. Let's talk more about Ken Shoulders and tell the people who he was, what was so important about his discoveries because he was pretty unique guy even within the alternative energy community wouldn't you say? Can shoulders before he ever got into the alternative energy field or his research he was a brilliant inventor. He was mostly self educated i believe you did get high school diploma but after that i believed um he was mostly self educated but he became an engineer, he worked at sri stanford research institute of belief coming from getting that correct and he invented

10:45 several different devices which helped with the manufacture of for example computer chips he became known and not alternative energy field but just a mainstream field as the father of vacuum micro electronics due to the breakthroughs in inventions you produced i'm so he was fairly well known that community before we ever had anything to do with anything exotic. So he had a successful long career before he ever got involved also what's interesting say about can't read for shoulders and that's the middle name by the way radford to kenneth radford shoulders is that he was a big aviation buff and key belt.

11:33 gyrocopters and other prototype flying vehicles, and models of flying vehicles that he would build and test and experiment with. So he was a very interesting guy but then around 1980 he met up with Dr. Harold Putoff at SRI and he started a collaboration to investigate this EVO phenomenon And basically, his earliest systems were very simple. He would have a sharpened cathode which is the negative electrode of for example a spark gap and then he would have an anode on the other side and there'd be a gap in between. And he would pulse the system

12:24 with a very short duration voltage and what would happen is that the sharp tip would magnify the electric field. and it would cause a little tiny explosion at the tip of the cathode. And later he would find a way to protect the cathode that we'll discuss, but it will produce little explosion and there'd be plasma discharge. So you have a soup, ionic soup of ions electrons in little nanoparticles that came off the tip of the cathode And out of this, the motion of the electrons and positively charged ions would produce a magnetic field from their very motion. This would produce a self-organization effect that would bring the ions and electrons into an actual structure. It would be most likely a vortex, a toroidal type structure

13:19 And he quickly experimented with this, testing all different types of materials. He started different cathode materials, different target plates he'd put in front of the anode. He determined very quickly that they produce characteristic track marks both on cathodes that they were emitted from and where they hit or struck a target He discovered that EVOs have many unique and highly anomalous properties, such as when they strike an anode or target plate they will transmute elements that he was able to measure. They also produce some sort of warp drive effect because they produce a field around themselves that allowed him to accelerate them to very high speeds

14:12 You know a tiny fraction of the speed of light with very low input power and he was able to measure this. And calculate that he was accelerating them for way less energy than should be required to achieve that speed so they were basically negating a huge portion other mass in inertia to be accelerated that way He was also learned how to really manipulate these EVOs. And the ones he were producing was on the small scale, he loved working with small things and so these were on order of a few microns in diameter and he built a custom pinhole electron camera to watch these into record them. And he was able to split EVO's into multiple smaller EVO's who is able to recombine them

15:04 You learn how to make them go into different modes for example there's a white mode in which they are highly visible and are spraying out electrons. Which is able to detect the most also black mode in which they are only very weekly observable or can go completely invisible And yet he was also able to reactivate them switch the back and forth from a black mode which could be considered let's say a cloaking mode i'm too very highly interactive white mode. Also who is able to make them jump over little gaps you talking about on little tiny tracks that you would produce me know some of these systems are very very small he also discovered that they could gorge

15:52 Tracks in materials and literally atomize the material make them travel a distance carry the material distance and then spray out the material at another location. I'm here to do all kinds of things with these videos. And he continued his research and he discovered even more and more started being able to produce them in plasmas, for example with electromagnetic stimulation utilizing radio frequencies or microwaves he could generate EVOs and the reason that they could be produced with radio frequencies and microwave frequencies is because these EVOs have an interior layer of positive ions

16:43 And on the outer layer of let's say the donut, imagine a donut shaped torus. On the outer layer you would have electrons that are tightly packed together like cooper pairs which have superconducting properties so it makes the EVO an ideal resonance chamber. So it will absorb that energy to feed the EVO So do you have any questions at this point? Anything I can answer before I continue? Well, sure. I mean this is all fascinating you know that i'm really interested in that aspect of them possibly being conscious or showing some kind of intelligence if we're calling these things also sometimes they're referred to as those self-organizing plasmas i mean self organizing kind of implies That it has some kind of intelligence or something You mentioned ken being able to

17:40 Make them follow tracks are split apart recombine or jump over obstacles and of course these are like microscopic little plasma balls that are yes i guess he worked with things that are like one to ten microns in size yes But he also, as you told me speculated that evos in space under the right circumstances could evolve into sentient life forms at a rate far faster than organic beings such as ourselves. And I guess i just wanted to ask you a little bit more about how evos are like lifeforms is there more that can be said on that?

18:19 Oh yeah, there's a good bit that can be said about that. Well you know people have produced it has been a lot of research not necessarily in the mainstream about the energy production aspects but just about the characteristics of EVOs and there are many different names for EVOs so thats one thing its very important to get across Evio stands for exotic vacuum objects his earliest name for these were just easy which was latin first strong electron i think it's like a electron valid. Which is switched to first strong electronic and latin but also other people have called them by different names even call cathode spots they have been called i think, where is the ons by the russians they have been called no one name is a spheromax you can also call them plasma words

19:05 you can call them a bunch of different names is probably a couple dozen that i can't recall because they have been discovered and basically researched in the end. I'm ignored or allowed to fade to obscurity and then reinvented and discovered again over and over and over again in the past hundred years But what's interesting is that they scientists have done experiments and I'm talking about larger scale. This should be applicable to the small-scale too because that's a unique aspect of EVO phenomenon and plasmas in general, any plasma constructs that produce can scale in size from nearly the atomic to galactic

19:45 Plasma can scale at any level and but you know in laboratories where they might produce plasma or I'm just making up a figure here, but let's see an inch in diameter. They have determined that these EVOs can intake nutrients energy from the environment electrons from the environment ions from the environment like food like they're eating like an organism. They can emit ions from themselves just like they were it's creating waste they can grow they can become larger they can increase in self organization they can divide. To reproduce the can potentially even communicate with each other because he was generate a variety of different electromagnetic radiation including non

20:37 I'm traditional types of electromagnetic radiation like longitudinal waves which are not transverse but instead or series of rarefaction and compressions of the ether so they can produce longitudinal waste so they can communicate. And so they have characteristics of life forms and if they are in somewhere in space, if there is a nebula somewhere or maybe even a planetary environment that was favorable where they had an abundance of energy. Had the correct food and conditions to sustain them it's possible they could evolve into some type of purely plasma based life form and do so very quickly

21:22 We're going to get into a little bit more about his writings in a little bit, but in some of the essays Kenneth shoulders posted online. He discussed this possibility about how that This could be no eevee oh i'm not saying every video in nature is alive is sentient isn't intelligent but it's possible that there have been. Places in the galaxy or even our own solar system or maybe even her own atmosphere and certain locations where you have self organized and develop some level of intelligence

22:03 I love it. You even mentioned to me that possibly when people see orbs of light, those could be EVO-based lifeforms Well there's many possibilities those could be some type of electromagnetic probe. From a physical based craft that is nearby for example you were so good you could admit i say ufo mean nuts and bolts saucer or triangle physical craft, who did emit like a plasma ball that it can communicate with as a type of pro but Or it's possible i mean this is just plausible that some of these plasma balls or orbs that people see that they claim to have telepathic communication with which of course is plausible.

22:50 Because we have electrical double layers in our brain and neurons that in some ways have properties similar to the electrical double layers of EVOs. So it's possible that humans could communicate with these types of plasma structures, they could be some type of intelligence. These orbs could maybe have evolved somewhere on this planet and occasionally interact with people I like to conjecture that possibly the human soul is a type of EVO, basically organized plasma. And it may be a type of... there maybe other types of self-organizing plasma that we just haven't observed yet that's purely in the ether, that doesn't have a side that we can observe

23:38 All the time so it's possible where actually evo their sales at the most basic level of your soul i mean that's a little bit of a stretch but its plausible. I do love it does very provocative and you mentioned variety of terms are used which, it's already super complex to me and not only makes it more difficult but i have had some guests who would talk about Electricity and ether almost interchangeably almost as if electricity is just. the visible ether when you bring it over here because if you think of our reality as woven with this background fabric of energy, it almost seems like electricity and ether could be synonymous. You're saying that we see one of these exotic vacuum objects every time there's a discharge. Can you maybe talk to us about the relationship between

24:35 The EVOs, ether and even consciousness because some people think consciousness is woven into that background fabric and that could be why these things sometimes seem intelligent on their own. I'm curious how those three components interact consciousness either any videos Okay, well let's take that one step at a time. Remember that question because I like to answer every question to the best of my ability and that was a few questions in a row so let me try to answer the first part of it there is a difference between electricity and flow of ether. I would define what we call electricity the mainstream calls electricity as the movement of charged particles

25:24 For example, electrons in a wire. The movement of those electrons is what the mainstream would define as electricity. However, what's important to do if you really want to understand the nature of electricity and its relationship with ether, you have to go all the way back to Maxwell who was one of the original electrodynamicists in the 1800s And he basically came up with his original maxwell equations and then these equations. In history and a lot of people believe this back then many people still do it's not mainstream anymore but people still believe that the universe is filled with an ether that there is a universal medium that pervades everything, add in his original electromagnetic equations um

26:17 He had what was called a scalar potential and a vector potential if you want to visualize what these are imagine that you are near river. A flowing river can you jump into the river let's imagine that you can hold your breath very long time so underneath the surface of the river the pressure of the water all around your body would be the scalar potential of the ether. Okay, it's that the pressure you would feel all around you from the water. The vector potential would be the movement of the water okay? I don't like to use the term current because it can get confusing but the motion of the water, the current in the river that's flowing is the vector potential because it has specific direction

27:11 And basically according to his original theories, the electric field and the magnetic field were just different manifestations of the vector potential. And the scalar potential but mainly what most importantly the vector potential and but what happened was that later on Oliver Heaviside he gutted Maxwell's equations Add to shorten them so they would be easier to use the simpler form of math that more ordinary electricians just want you why are cities and houses and buildings could use so he got a good questions but horribly.

27:52 Although the idea of ether had already been falling out of vogue at the time he dismissed. The reality physical reality of the vector and scalar potentials in claim that they were just mathematical abstractions, add he self professed to have quote murdered the vector potential because he despised it to such a degree in the equations. However, the primary driver of electric fields both motional and static and magnetic fields is the vector potential so let's say you have a wire of a conductive material let's say copper

28:38 and you run a magnet past it. What in the permanent magnet has a magnetic field? What's a magnetic field? It is defined as the curl of the vector potential, and the magnetic field lines of a permanent magnet for example if you put it on a table with iron filings the field lines are actually considered them as like tornadoes of vector potential. So it's little tight, thin spiraling tornadoes is what a magnetic field line on iron filings is really composed of. When you are moving the magnet across the wire there's really no such thing as a magnetic field in reality we just call it a magnetic field to describe

29:32 The motion of the ether of the vector potential natural vector potential is motion of the ether and say when you run it across that. I'm the wire it moves their electrons, that are charged particles that are in the copper wire and so you could send this other ways of electric field because a electric field accord to mainstream science is a magnetic field It results when there's a change of a magnetic field. However, if you look at the Maxwell Lodge effect You can demonstrate that you can produce an EMF and electromotive force in that in a loop of copper wire When there is no magnetic field present In this experiment you would have a solenoid of copper wire

30:25 That would be significantly long and what most people don't realize is in the end what's called an ideal solenoid on the exterior. Of the solenoid there's not supposed to be any magnetic field detectable in real life there is one but it's very very very weak so imagine a long solenoids, can you put a second wire of wire on that middle exterior between the two ends but on the exterior of the solenoid and then you apply an alternating current to the solenoid. You will produce in EMF

31:07 in that exterior hoop that you put around it. However, according to mainstream science, that should be completely and totally impossible because there's no magnetic field present and if there is no magnetic field there shouldn't be any EMF produced but it is being produced why? Because the vector potential is real You're inducing the EMF with a flow of ether A flow of vector potential And there are scientists who try to make up phony false fake arguments against this effect. But every argument they make falls on its face, they try to say there's leakage magnetic fields coming from the solenoid but that is false because in many experiments where this has been reproduced even by mainstream scientists any leakage magnetic field would be working in the opposite direction to inhibit any EMF coming

32:03 I'm going to the hoop so this is proof there isn't either and it is proof that. It is the ether which basically drags electrons in moves charge particles through a conductor so that's basically the fundamental of electricity is a slow up ether. But it has to be changing flow cannot be a constant load thats why you need the magnet in motion You have to have a gradient of ether so you have a higher density region and lower density region. And when you have a higher density region of ether, it will move the charged particle towards the region of lower density. It's almost like you can compare electrodynamics directly to hydrodynamics there is actually some brilliant papers I urge your listeners to check out online

32:57 I'm not saying like any of your theories right now is a hundred percent correct but i believe these papers deserve serious consideration it's papers about fluidic electrodynamics if you google the term fluidic electrodynamics, repeat that fluidic electrodynamics. You will find some papers that compare and easily understandable terms but also mathematical terms how you can compare electrodynamics to fluid dynamics because the ether exist and the vector potential in scalar potentials are not mathematical abstractions but are actually physically real and observable.

33:46 So what was the second question? Well, that's a great breakdown of the connection between ether and electricity. I like the hydrodynamics relationship to electrodynamics because that makes sense if we think about the ether as an unseen medium that is just there but let us fold in consciousness and EVOs potentially how are those things connected to the ether how they related Will i'm the ether permeates everything it permeates entire universe even empty space between particles and atoms so. Evo's are way to gain traction how would say with the

34:36 The vacuum and it gets really complicated and i am not a trained physicist. And so i basically read continuously been doing this for many years reading as many papers as i can grab hold of. I cannot follow the advanced you know calculus and extremely advance math but i can understand the concepts and basically what have been able to gather Is that he can allow you to add here or gain traction with. The vacuum and i believe this is because this is what i believe in that saying this is absolutely 100% correct but i believe the reason ebos can gain traction with the vacuum it's because on their surface

35:25 They have electrons and there's a lot of tron so in a special state they are in the form of a bose einstein condensate where they have lost some other individuality and their way forms overlapping. And it is this condition of a Bose Einstein condensate which is way so much more similar to the condition of the background ether that permeates the universe that many people speculate in and out itself is a pose einstein condensed. So I imagine it this way if you want to interact with the ether normal electrons for example in a material would only interact with the ether like imagine for example. You had a fan and you're trying to move air with the fan and let's say the fan was a tennis racket but with huge gaps huge huge openings with little tiny thin wire

36:26 You could blow much air you couldn't gain much traction because using ordinary electrons which is a different form of substance in the ether but if you have a bows and stein condensate. Which takes the same similar form to the background ether it's almost like having you put. You take a piece of paper over that racket so when you swing it up and down your moving a lot more atmosphere you can actually feel the air if your trying to find yourself with it So that is my understanding of how EVOs can interact with the ether. Now, since EVOs or at least... You see, EVO's have what's called a double layer it's that unique feature where there is one layer of positive ions just below the surface and then electrons in this condensate form on the surface

37:22 And i'm throughout her body's for example in our cells there are electrical double layers where you have positive ions and one side. negatives in another and throughout our body, there are cells I think maybe even in our mitochondria. I would have to check that even in our mitochondria there's double layers well throughout of their body but let's say look at nerve tissue so if we have double layers inner bodies and EVOs or or sending out signals. It's possible that we could intercept signals of EVOs and perhaps even transmit information to EVOs, and I mean you can this is a lot of speculation here i admit that completely but I kind of consider that um a lot of stuff in reality is connected each other

38:17 And EVOs are a way to basically access the network. It's basically your cable modem to jack in Is the way i would describe it hope that answers your question yes it does and there's definitely a lot of things we wanted to get you but i guess just to close the door on this little section. What do you consider consciousness to be is that a separate fabric from the ether is something that emerges from the ether do you have any thoughts on what that is, Well, I'm a Christian. I'm not a perfect person. Um, I have to ask forgiveness for things I do all the time because none of us are perfect. We all sin we do bad things so um you know i don't want to say I'm some perfect person when I say I am a christian. I definitely want to put that out there however I am a christian and I do believe that God made humanity and I believe he gave us an immortal soul

39:16 And i believe we have a soul inside of us we are not need computers we are not just balls of organic flesh and their heads you know when robots we have an internal aspect to us. And if we have a relationship with god then we have the communication route between air soul in the creator So I believe our consciousness is based far, far more on our spirit and our soul than anything else. Now we interface through an organic brain but who we really are is stored in their soul and it can never be destroyed and we can never truly die. We will just... In my opinion as a Christian when you die you'll go to heaven or hell one of the other

40:09 And i think that consciousness is eternal and it is stored. In the ether the pattern that makes you you can meet me that stores all your memories are personalities feelings everything all of experiences in her life is stored in the ether in a pattern And that pattern is there so and that soul may potentially i mean this is another big stretch could be in the form of a self organizing structure in either. Run run run i like it haha

40:46 I feel like you've developed a way to blend this really exotic science and your Christian background, and I salute you for it. I think that's pretty interesting! And you mentioned the scaling up of these EVOs a little while back And you had said to me that the key to scaling up the effect was to produce large scale EVOs that would exist in a steady state mode instead of simply being smacked against a target plate like Ken Shoulders was doing. Then, you said this is what The Sapphire Project is doing and that is something we have had mentioned before but it hasn't really been fully explained or detailed. You say it as one of three major public

41:30 groups that is utilizing EVOs in their technology, probably the one that's most important or most further along. Talk to us about the Sapphire project and how they're taking this idea forward? Will the sapphire project was commissioned by i believe that thunderbolts project or electric universe group right. That believe the universe is electrical in nature and the team ran by monty childs, who's the director of the sapphire project independent from the thunderbolts project with electric universe that's important monty childs had his own company before this

42:13 So it's independent that needs to be stressed they were basically trying to audit. The theories of the electric universe and find out whether you're true or whether there are not So they were impartial so they decided to build. I'm thirsty started with the system in a bell jar but then they scaled it up and i'm gonna talk mostly about that larger version of it, hey does hi did you build a system to mimic what the electric universe theory propose powers the sun so basically let's universe theory claims

42:58 Set the sun is a positively charged object in a predominantly negatively charge environment so they built a large reactor basically you have dc input fairly high voltage and the voltage and current can be precisely control. And it goes to this large reactor, which is very sophisticated with all types of measurement equipment all around it. Spectrometers, bolometers, all kinds of digital cameras, infrared cameras, oscilloscopes every kind of sensor you could imagine through the roof and but its composed mainly of two large copper cathodes of a large surface area

43:46 And then they're adjustable so they can control the distance between the two. Then you have in between them, and these are interchangeable and also they've tested both hollow ones in solid ones spherical anodes. The spherical anodes are made of a variety different materials which we'll get into later on perhaps in the second hour And basically they put get first to vacuum the gas out to degas it a pudding gases such as hydrogen such as nitrogen. Which seems to be a catalytic gas in their experiments i'm apparently nitrogen increases the energy output. And they use you have a whole control panel full of gases and you can see this in the videos they have tested hydrogen deuterium are gone nitrogen ordinary atmosphere oxygen arm and day

44:49 What's the have the gaseous mixture that they want in the reactor and they have their turn it on and they will reach a certain voltage. will trigger a plasma discharge. And when that happens, the plasma will start to form around the anode it starts off as like a thin layer with little beads on the anode like little plasma beads little dots on it and as they turn up the current in its current that mostly controls the reaction once you have sufficient voltage and as they adjust the current which gives

45:28 The plasma that self organizing plasma around the anode which is basically a video that's wrapping itself around the anode in developing as they adjust the current and give it more food. More electrons on the plasma starts to grow in further self organize and eventually it will start to those toughs plasma tops with star spin, can they will grow and then all of sudden you get these double layers Where you will what a double layer is if you have one side of the plasma that has positively charged in another area. It's natively charge and they can stack on top of each other and so they get several brilliant beautiful double layers around the end and at some point they start to get both transmutations in the atmosphere

46:24 and also transmutations on the anode, but also they can generate a huge amount of excess heat. But the excess heat in transmutations really start not when you have these huge gigantic double layers but my understanding from what I have read and I have studied as much material that's out there is possible is that the excess heat begins when the double layers coalesce and drop down in condense to one thin powerful double layer with an intense voltage drop right immediately off the surface of the anode. And it's brilliantly glowing, I mean brilliant yellow or maybe light orange but brilliant! That is when they are producing massive amounts excess heat In one experiment that is on their videos they actually melted

47:19 The anode and you can see it just falling down in falling over also monty childs is stated that in one experiment and i should mention he has stated. I'm interviews that they can reproduce these experiments at will they use a data acquisition system into record their data school design of experiments, any allows them to record everything every parameter every day to point and it will give them I'm an analyzer status any gives him critical information to understand which parameters are the most important for example and i'm but in this experiment they put in eighteen hundred watts of electrical power according to montgomery childs they produce over ten million watts about.

48:08 And if I understand this explanation correctly, the way they're able to measure that was the rate or the curve of a temperature increase in the reactor. From that they could calculate on the power output and so if you divide 10 million which was conservative because it was most likely more than that ten million watts of output if you divide that by 1800 what's that so c.o.p i believe a five thousand six hundred sixty six so it's huge amount of energy they're able to produce but importantly, um it produces no radioactive products it does not emit gamma rays it is not admit deadly emissions it is perfectly safe

48:56 And they are moving forward now with their plans to commercialize this technology. They're trying to raise funds, I believe several million dollars, i'm not sure of the exact figure, to raise money on those different segments of their plans to build first basically a Commercial unit that they can put in the market that would be used to produce heat that would generate steam. That would turn a turbine which return generator and produce electrical output it would be a clean form of energy production was also fascinating is this technology can't be used to remediate nuclear waste because if you look on the anode

49:47 when after one of their high-powered runs, when the current is high and the double layers condense down so they're in this zone where they're producing excess heat. They are also producing transmutations and the transmutation products are all stable products there's nothing radioactive no uranium is produced you know no plutonium is produced it's all safe natural elements that are produced So let's say some common elements that are used in their anode material, tungsten nickel and iron.

50:26 And there's maybe a couple others too that they typically use. But Montgomery Childs has actually stated in an interview that basically, a wide range of materials in their anode will produce these transmutations. Many gas combinations will work. Of course you need hydrogen or deuterium one form of that. You need hydrogen and that's important but many gas combinations work And but it let's say for nuclear waste remediation what they would do is they would expose radioactive material, waste material and of course they have to make deals with the Department of Energy in the Canadian Department of Energy. You know that nuclear regulatory commission on all that to do such experiments and there right now I believe working to form such relationships

51:18 so they can get permission to do this because when you're dealing with radioactive materials, you have to use an extreme amount of caution and then you have to get licenses and permissions and permits and all that. But what you would do is expose the radioactive material to these plasma double layers especially when it's at high power and it would transform the radioactive elements into stable safe elements And so one idea they had, and he has mentioned this in videos is having these reactors next to conventional fission based power plants. So as the fission based power plant I mean not forever just during the transition phase while this technology is rolling out so as the fission based power plant is producing nuclear waste it gets used to produce even more energy

52:14 by a SAFIRE reactor and that SAFIRE reactor in the process of remediating the nuclear waste would be producing energy in the process. And so that's another application for it, um... So the SAFIRE project is really really amazing and I believe there are actually implications for gravity control very strong implications they've only hinted at this that they have observed She will of you know gravitational influences on matter within the stubble layers they only hinted at that. That somehow there's some kind of gravitational shielding effect

52:54 But they really haven't said a whole lot about that so the sapphire project is a professional outfit there extremely credible doing fantastic work their consulting with experts around the country from major companies lockheed and the department of energy in probably many others as well. I think it's a company that deserves your attention And I think everybody should go on YouTube and Google the Sapphire project, watch their videos. Go to their websites. I believe one of the websites is sapphireproject.com. They just recently launched another website called Orion Energy

53:40 And let me see if I can find that site so i can spell it for you. So, um, It's Aureon Energy. That's a u r e o n dot c a so a u r e o n dot c a Aureon energy And so they just launched this website and they have a new introductory video about their technology discussing their plans and ambitions. So I highly urge all your listeners to check that out. Right on, very cool! And you gave us a great technical explanation of what's actually happening in these SAFIRE project experiments. Of course the application would be

54:31 device that puts out more energy than it takes to run and when you get a sense of this device would be something, that would power home what'd be more applicable to a neighborhood or even a whole town i mean how much power can one device put off for is there really a limit if it scales well all plasma phenomena scalable. And i believe in the future this technology will power everything from individual appliances to individual houses to entire cities however to begin with my guess is they will not be looking to make

55:16 Individual home units to begin with i'm just guessing i don't know i do not know their business plan i don't know all of their plans but there's like a little illustration very well made illustration of a potential generator commercial generator on the website i'm not sure how large it is my guess that would produce more electrical power than one home. So i'm guessing neighborhood size maybe But that would just be the beginning. That would be the beginning and it's not just producing more energy out than in its producing huge coefficient of performance ratings You know potentially thousands of times more energy out than in and what's also important to note about this is

56:04 This technology, the EVO phenomena has been involved in coal fusion and most people in the coal fusion community did not make that connection until perhaps only a couple years ago because you know Coal Fusion and LENR which stands for Low Energy Nuclear Reactions. The whole concept whether using electrolytic system Or if you use a gas loading system the whole idea is to get hydrogen or deuterium. You go through all the different processes to get into the metal there's that adsorption process where let's say hydrogen molecular hydrogen H2 touches the surface

56:51 of the, let's say using nickel powder. Touches a surface of the nickel powder then it has to disassociate into atomic hydrogen individual hydrogen atoms then it has to go through absorption to penetrate the surface to be absorbed into the lattice and then it has to migrate further in to this surface and so that's the whole main concept of co-fusion getting hydrogen into the metal And if you can do that, then you can do different things to accelerate the process. You can create atomic hydrogen in the atmosphere. You can use what's called reverse spillover catalysts for example covering the nickel particles or other metals with nanoparticles of another metal even smaller particles

57:45 Let's say palladium or platinum that would associate the hydrogen or deuterium so it's in atomic form. So it can just immediately penetrate into the metal but once you get enough hydrogen loaded into the middle, it becomes brittle And the and as the hydrogen or deuterium travels through the material it causes damage. It will actually cause micro fractures, fractures in voids and cavities to form within the metal crystalline lattice and this will cause

58:26 charge separation. Well you have one side of one of these cavities or cracks be more positively charged and the other side more negatively charged, and this creates an EVO because there's a little tiny nano-scale electrical spark that creates a little EVO, and that is one of the drivers of cold fusion perhaps I believe one of the primary drivers of cold fusion And what's so important with what the sapphire project is doing it's taking this primary mechanism of confusion or alien are. Can they don't call what they're doing alien are a confusion they have their own name more general term for weather do not remember that at the moment i think they call electro nuclear resonance or something like that please create a name generic name because they want to be

59:19 tightly bound anyone theory at this point because they're more focused on getting a practical product out rather than get caught up into one specific theory so what they have done though in my opinion this is not what they say it's just me i'm don't publicly talk about the videos so that's just meet What they have done is isolate the prime driver of cold fusion or alien are which is the evo and conventional confusion.

59:55 in LNR systems which are powder-based can be really tricky to get to work repeatedly because the whole hydrogen absorption process is so tricky. You have to process the fuel just right with vacuum degassing and with adding reverse spillover catalyst or with repeated pressurizations and vacuuming cycles, and then flooding it with hydrogen again. It takes a lot of work but what they're able to do is isolate the EVO phenomenon And instead of having perhaps millions of little itty bitty tiny nanoscale EVOs in a grain of nickel powder, they are able to produce in their device a macro scale EVO that wraps around their anode which is a few inches in diameter. So you have a macro scale EVO

1:00:46 And i'm there able to adjust it create the maximum level of self organization and they are able to create these double layers and then turn up the current condense the double layers start generating. Access energy basically isolated the most important prime mover valley in our this is really in my opinion There may be other processes that work in addition to alien are i believe this technology could also be tapping energy from the vacuum i believe. That is do both they can induce safe nuclear reactions but they can also tap energy from the back and that's just my opinion

1:01:28 And they have figured out how to do that without having to worry about all the gunk and old-fashioned cold fusion in LA&R. This is really the future, this is really what Pons and Fleischmann would have dreamed of as what The Sapphire Project was doing. That's why it's so exciting to me." Yeah! This is really impressive. The amount of knowledge you have is just pretty staggering A little bit earlier you mentioned the term transmutation and that is a very provocative term of course, and I am curious if EVOs could relate to mineral alchemy or substances like monoatomic gold in the stories that we've heard about that because people tend to speculate that ether is involved or some perfect form of certain minerals are related. Any thoughts?

1:02:22 I'm not as familiar with some of those concepts and others but i will say that you do occur in nature. They could occur in the earth because there are has minerals it has rock formations it has geology and there are layers in the earth. And it's very possible that, um, there are electrical disturbances in the earth perhaps by fracto emission perhaps by other mechanisms and these electrical currents could produce EVOs and self-organizing plasmas that could produce exotic minerals and exotic substances I mean just as an example here and I have seen videos online

1:03:08 Where researchers have discovered like spherical shape rocks. And if you crack them open there's like the fossilized remains of like an animal or fish, or a crab or something in organism that was in the middle of eating another organism and it was in it look and appears that the animal and spherical ball was transmuted instantly it all happened instantly not over millions of years or slow gradual process but i'm the life form in the material around it which is instantly transformed.

1:03:53 And so there's a possibility that they are large scale electrical phenomena. That can produce this also there is a story i've heard about where there some high voltage power lines, that came down in this area and it was a wet soggy area and there was all these tree stumps and apparently, these tree stumps got completely 100% fossilized from these electrical discharges from the type of which lines That might have something to do with the EBO phenomena. Also, this is something else you may want to think about on the SAFIRE project anode when they examine it after one of these high energy runs when they are producing excess heat at higher current levels there are little tiny perfect spheres on the surface of that anode and they don't know how they form

1:04:51 And they have shown pictures from a scanning electron microscope of these little tiny nano spheres and so there's all kinds of ways that. Evo is could be involved in the phenomena that you described Wow man, that's provocative. This is not really on the docket but I do hear people discussing these kind of concepts when they talk about lost ancient civilizations or speculation that some natural frequency-based phenomena could ripple through and unravel matter or transmute it to a fossil like form or create

1:05:34 modification of everything. There are some weird ideas out there and they don't really ring true to me unless I really get deep into thinking about these concepts as if like something really could just affect all matter, some change would just be planet wide or instantaneous based on some phenomenon maybe a discharge from the sun or something that happens once every five million years or something like that i'm not sure but do you have any thoughts about that prospect? Well i'll just say that anyone who is interested in that should check out the electric universe theory and the best way to get information about that would be. Go to the thunderbolts project web page especially their youtube channel they have some great videos, describe their ideas about the electric universe can i have reviewed several of the videos over the years and recent times

1:06:29 And i will just say they're fascinating i'm not gonna stay there a hundred percent correct because who knows if any of us are hundred percent correct near theories and ideas but i think that is our serious attention. I think they make very valid points and they discuss some of this about how ancient civilizations could have witnessed you know solar system wide cataclysms That could have involved powerful electrical discharges that could have left lingering marks and lingering traces on planets right now today in our solar system maybe even around earth.

1:07:07 Maybe some of the geological features here on earth today are from electrical phenomena, but especially on planets like Mars where there's not as much erosion and the surface doesn't change rapidly. As on earth so that's why i would direct people to get information about the topics you just mentioned would be the thunderbolts project. There is a very bright people doing research for them so how hard people check them out Sure, sure. Yes we've been lucky enough to spend some time with a couple of them but there's definitely more to unpack there for sure!

1:07:44 And you mentioned that the SAFIRE project maybe isn't focusing on propulsion, but you think that the EVO phenomenon is at the heart of UFO technology. You said that you see them using it for power, propulsion, gravity control and inertial dampening all rolled into one Can you maybe elaborate on those mechanics? Okay, well it's this is gonna get a little technical but I'll do my best to try to Explain it in a way that your readers can understand because even to get it all in my head. I had to read a ton of papers repeatedly To try to condense this in my mind sure basically if you look at the work of Harold put off who did collaborate with Kenneth Radford shoulders for a period of time and

1:08:36 He has a theory and many other people have very similar theories that gravity is not a pole that gravity is actually a push. And the basic theory goes as this, that throughout the universe there's a zero point energy field or you could call it the ether. You could call it the electron positron sea if you ever want to check out articles of Don Hodson which was a gentleman that composed several articles for Infinite Energy magazine. Don Hodson talks about the electron positrons in many of his papers but there is this universal medium

1:09:12 And let's say you have a large body such as air planet earth in this medium there are. Waves in the ether you can call them vector potential waves you call them longitudinal waves but it just let's just say those ways or flows of the ether and they're going all directions at all time, add all times throughout universe and so a planet when its sitting in space theirs The flow is going through the surface of the planet, through the core and out to other side but in all directions equally. Now the problem is that there are some really a problem it's just how this theory goes the earth absorbs a very small fraction of these waves or this flow of ether I'm minuscule fraction however

1:10:07 It's enough so that an object sitting on the surface like you in your chair right now. There would be less ether coming upwards from underneath you then down from above, so literally the ether flow is pushing you downwards towards the planet and that's important concept because without going into all technical details you can utilize this concept And especially if you want to understand this like i said check out some of the great papers out there about fluidic electrodynamics. Can you can also check out other papers too, there's a great document online called i believe a brief introduction to

1:10:53 Scale electric dynamics it can be found on the mon talk net website. I think there's a link to it there actually think is hosted another website but you can find a link to their search and in the alkyl net which is a website all about etheric physics and basically gravity inertia in mass are all phenomenon based. On the interaction of matter with the ether on these flows so what i'm saying about how ebo's can manipulate these forces is because like i said before that evo has a surface composed of electrons

1:11:41 And these electrons are any unique state of Bose Einstein condensate and when they're in motion they can create their own flows. Of ether and these flows of ether can counteract other flows of either And so if you create a bubble of vector potential, and vector potential is symbolized with the A symbol rather than the B symbol for magnetic field. So if you generate a bubble of vector potential around a craft like for example consider the Fluxliner alien reproduction vehicle that likely was built by Lockheed in the 60s and was witnessed in 1988

1:12:28 Buy a visitor to lucky palmdale you can watch all of this in the documentary on youtube it's an excellent documentary made by james higgins. On youtube i'm james hagen just passed away, it seems like he died of heavy metal poisoning although that's not inclusive He died of cancer and it could have been from him being poisoned. We don't know that's speculation, but there are rumors of that. But he made this documentary about the FluxLiner ARV and the FluxLiner utilized a central column—this is only one component of it I'm not going to get into all the others—but it had a central column and it had a self-organizing plasma in the center. And this self organizing plasma

1:13:15 which was most likely a very specific mercury isotope, I believe Mercury 199. Which would have some specific properties such as having one half integer spin which would prevent it from having a quadrupolar moment basically what all that means is that the spin of all the mercury ions would be aligned And so basically you create this self organizing plasma and it would create a bubble of vector potential around the craft. Because that's self-organizing plasma, what have that superconducting layer? It would be able to make the gradient of this bubble of vector potential

1:14:06 Very very strong and this gradient could be a factor of both geometry of the bubble, and it could also be a factor Of the change in intensity because remember The importance of a high rate of change even in Nikola Tesla system with his spark gaps. He used a high rate of change And that's critical to manipulating the ether and so if you post it really really fast We're talking about millions of voltages with the flux liner ARV a millions of volts You'd create this bubble and if you were inside the craft

1:14:46 You could basically direct the craft to move in a certain direction because it's creating its own gravitational field with this bubble of vector potential. Also, you would not feel any inertial forces inside the craft. You would not feel any acceleration because the whole craft would be moving in its own little bubble of space-time Also, the craft could potentially bypass the speed of light limitation. Because you'd be like a cavitating torpedo because the speed of light is basically due to the fact that mass has a certain friction with the ether. It's kinda like a force working against you, kind of like sound barrier that's very loose comparison but sort of like sound barrier. But if you can create this bubble vector potential it's almost like having a cavitating torpedo

1:15:43 That allows torpedo to travel much much faster underwater so can actually wrap the oncoming ether around you rather than having it passed through you and slow you down. And what's also interesting in these who are folks like flux liner a rv, Time is actually just a function of the scalar potential that i mentioned earlier like if you're under river and there's water all around you this static pressure against you that controls the rate of time. So aliens or perhaps even human belt craft if they can change the pressure inside of the craft they could control the rate of time

1:16:27 as it is experience by the occupants wow in just one direction or both. Will they i don't believe in time travel that's just me i don't believe and for example going back in time changing your past and creating all kinds of paradoxes, i dont believe that its possible it could be wrong i cannot think thats likely to do all the paradoxes it can create however i do think it very likely the rate of time Could be changed the so that in one area it's much slower than another. So i'm thinking about alien abduction experiences which are believe some r and d real ufo is good for example of somebody

1:17:10 And aliens could be performing procedures and a zone where time is slow down. Compare the outside world so basically what i'm trying to get at this they can do hours worth of procedures on someone but set them back in their house into the rest of the world only minutes past Yeah, that's exactly what the stories tell us. Yes and all of this is explainable if we accept the physical reality of the vector and scalar potentials which means that ether has to exist And the EVO phenomenon in my opinion is the key link Kenneth shoulders In many of his papers he described EVO as a universal clutch

1:17:58 that gives traction between air level of reality and the ether or this zero point energy field, whatever you want to call it. You call it universal clutch and thats why I believe this EVO phenomenon is so important people need to study it and people need to look at the different groups that are utilizing it And now these groups right now, um ill mention this because you touched on earlier there's three main groups that are utilizing the EVO phenomena I want to be very careful here because most of these groups are not using the language i'm using and a lot of these groups believe differently than what im about to say this is my opinion. Not specifically there's i want to give that disclaimer out this is my opinion not specifically theirs we have the sapphire project

1:18:46 They are aware of the videos i will tell you why they are where the videos sapphire project is aware of egos because harold put off. Is one of their scientific advisors if u go to the orion energy website and look at there. A photograph on the website all the science advisors you will see doctor herald he put off in the front center And he worked with Kenneth Shoulders on the EVO phenomenon. Also, another advisor to the SAFIRE project is Dr Eric W Davis

1:19:32 And doctor eric w davis was just recently he previously has moved on to work for aerospace corporation i believe, i'm not sure think they have multiple facilities around the country you might be in los angeles. I am not sure but you working for airspace corporation but eric david used to be the chief scientist or dr harold put off Austin institute for advanced study also known as earth tech and many years ago eric davis when he was doing. Papers writing reports for the air force, and specifically i think edwards airforce base you is written writing different scientific papers there's one called

1:20:21 The ball lightning study in the ball lightning study was acquired by a freedom of information at request and it's available online can you reviews a lot of this self organizing plasma phenomena not just videos but abroad variety different technological devices different theories. I'm a lotta different stuff however he also discusses EVOs and Kenneth Shoulders work. And he specifically proposes a replication project to reproduce a classic Kenneth Shoulders EVO generator, which would consist of like a discharge tube with low pressure argon in a sharpened cathode wetted with mercury that protects the tip from being destroyed. The mercury acts as a sacrificial wetting agent

1:21:11 And you can have an old and you would post it in you would measure the electrical output out and he proposed a project even had a bill of materials. Proposed budget everything in there what's so interesting is that officially we don't know what happened If that ever went through if you got approval to do that project not however dr steven grier of the disclosure project. He was also you know i'm director of c city and these other ufo disclosure programs over the years there's a video on youtube i cannot find anymore but i watched it multiple times some absolutely one hundred percent sure he described how a visiting scientist this is when his disclosure project witnesses

1:22:02 How a visiting scientist went to Edwards Air Force Base, to their research laboratory there. At the Air Force Research Laboratory and he was visiting and he was shown a device that he was told produced or extracted energy from the vacuum but it only extracted a small amount of energy from the vacuum and they didn't know how to scale it up and he drew a diagram of the device, and that diagram turns out to be a dead ringer for Kenneth's Shoulders EVO generator. But the further scuttlebutt on the internet

1:22:50 Is that and i trust this. I believe this to be true we can't know for sure it's true if there is not first hand information okay so im not 100% saying this is accurate but i'm very confident it is even though i am not 100% of very confident that before he could publish a paper on his results the whole project was classified And so you asked earlier about scaling up this phenomenon and how to scale it up. Well, for example the Sapphire project has scaled it up because instead of producing a transient EVO that is shot off a cathode travels across the gap and hits an anode and produces both a electrical current that goes down the anode wire that can be measured in creates a radiant blast of energy

1:23:47 Kind of like Edwin V. Gray's system and others that produced radiant energy, you could capture that but the SAFIRE project is creating one large steady state plasma ball or EVO and That is really the way to go instead of these transient very short-lived micron sized EVO And so that's how you basically scale it up. So in addition to the Sapphire project, there is also Andrea Rossi Let me take a sip of water please Sure sure yes You've earned it man! You know alot about this stuff and uh This is just so interesting to hear you talk about it Okay with Dr. Andrea Rossi

1:24:35 I think i'm not sure if he has a literal php or just honorary phd i believe sometimes it calls himself doctor but he is very smart engineer. And he's been working on cold fusion and lnr devices for probably about fifteen years first several years behind the scenes, and i would say around two thousand you first came forward with his cat technology Which stands for energy catalyzer and he was first utilizing gas loading systems where he would have nickel powder with various catalytic powders mixed in and various methods for generating atomic hydrogen. And it's a long story I won't go into because we don't have all night but basically he built several different variations of this reactor

1:25:32 And he went through many different models and yes. There's a lot of controversy about him on the internet in despite anything else despite any of the controversy despite any of that accusations which i'm not gonna say none of them are true i do believe that at the core his technology did indeed work Even if there were situations where he may not have always been one hundred percent honest. Or if there were certain times he had failures of certain devices because the vices can fail for because of leaks, because of technical issues. Because of electronics issues as lots of reasons individual devices can fail and not work but I believe overall his technology Israel in did work and so you got me these powder based systems but in recent years she has went

1:26:32 And focused on purely plasma based systems and his plasma based systems utilize the same basic concept. Ask him shoulders except that instead of just creating a trans tour plasma ball or evo he is producing steady state evo And he's had three different versions of this plasma based technology. The first of the plasma base was called the Ecat QX, then the next one was the Ecat SK for I think Steve Colander which was a Swedish physicist that worked with him or advised him for awhile Or at least someone who he had discussions with

1:27:22 And then the last version was that he can't ask l and that's the person who is working on right now in these devices produces steady state plasma ball. I'm or evo when them i am. Andrea rossi has published a paper thats available online where he does mention kent shoulders, the paper doesn't use the exact same language i'm using it does not but i believe you His paper is roughly analogous to what i'm saying but it's obvious that he's using the phenomenon and his systems can produce massive excess heat. What's so important with this latest version of it, they can produce direct electrical output bypassing the need to turn water in the steam and turn a turbine and then turned generator to produce electricity you can extract electricity directly

1:28:15 And yet now this device is not been tested we don't have a third party report so before we believe it one hundred percent completely then when you need a third party report. And so that's supposed to be coming the corona virus scare has kind of put a little bit of the brakes on that it is put things on hold but he is still working according him. I'm towards having such a test done of this system so hopefully in the coming months once the travel restrictions are lifted He can continue to work on that and bring in a third party team. That is already communication with and have them run some validation test on it and i believe that will work because of the simple fact there are many devices both the ones im talking about right now better in the current day, end in the past that utilizes phenomenon um and addition to enjoy rossi this brilliant light power

1:29:14 I want to be very careful about what i say about brilliant light power because we're like power number one they do not talk about the videos. Number two they do not proclaim that they are inducing any type of nuclear reactions lmr cold fusion or any other kind They have their own theory that, or Randall Mills, the CEO has his own theory that they are producing a different form of hydrogen in which the electron orbiting the hydrogen atom drops down to below what's called the ground state. Which is the level that, the lowest level that an electron can orbit around a proton but they believe it can go below that and when it goes below that Randall Mills claims

1:30:03 They have some data for this they have evidence has been a bunch of testing done by third parties that seem to show evidence that they have produced this altered form of hydrogen. That there's an energy released between that of chemical and nuclear where a chemical reaction may release only you know three four five electron volts her reaction Nuclear reaction can produce millions of videos per reaction but this hydrogen no reaction that brilliant light power. Proposes produces a few hundred so it's on the low side of being in between both what's interesting is right now they have a new version to take their technology because i've been working on variants of it for twenty years but there latest versions call the sun cell

1:30:56 In the sun cell utilizes the negative resistance regime of a plasma discharge and that's another topic i really want to discuss with you tonight. Help people understand how you can produce evie is one way to do it is to take a negative is to have electrical discharge And you've seen a plasma tube haven't you like the glow discharge to well there stages of an electrical discharge. There's too cool and there's many other stages i'm just reducing it down to three for simplicity, you have the typical glow discharged stage which has ordinary or positive resistance okay that means when the voltage goes up the current goes up ordinary

1:31:41 Electronics ordinary resistance then you have what's called a negative resistance regime in the negative. Resistance regime the opposite is true When your voltage goes up your current goes down or vice versa the relationship between current and voltages flip was also very important it's doing this regime that by definition even in mainstream papers this is back this is not just conjecture of this is not just you you know, theory by LNR researchers. This is fact that in the NATO resistance regime by definition a what's called this is another name for EBO complex space charge configuration I will repeat it complex space charge configuration has formed and this complex space charge configuration

1:32:38 is an EVO. It has an interior of positive ions and exterior of electrons, and it self-organizes in what it does is to power the circuit during the negative resistance regime. It absorbs thermal energy from the electrons in the plasma environment and converts into electrical current But the problem with the negative resistance regime is it's most of the time designed out of modern technology. There are only a very few applications for it in modern technology because it can very rapidly slip into a true arc discharge regime and then the true arc discharge regime,

1:33:23 Resistance drops even lower and you get a huge current going through it can burn up your power supply This is why for example fluorescent bulbs have a ballast, a resistor to keep the current at a level I'm so that you don't go into the native resistance regime which would quickly take you to our discharge and that's why if your balance goes bad. Your fluorescent lights will fail because they can burn out so it's this native resistance regime if u can isolate it if you keep a discharge specifically in this region

1:34:03 that you can by definition produce an EVO. They don't call it EVO in the mainstream papers, but they'll call it names like complex space charge configuration and other papers they will call a fireball or a fire rod or a plasmoid but it by definition will be produced and Brilliant Light Power is pulsing their system Where they are entering this native resistance regime and they were producing huge amounts of anomalous heat. Huge amounts, so they're utilizing this phenomenon as well so that's three companies in modern time. In modern times i don't utilize this i believe sapphire is probably the most sophisticated and i believe there probably the leader right now that just my personal opinion

1:35:01 Just from what I have seen and i will say one reason for that is because they are not bound by any one particular theory. They're just observing it there going about this in a phenomenological way you making observations and then analyzing the data, and moving on advancing their technology from that data without being bound to anyone theory so i'm there making great progress And they have proven through third-party laboratories that they are producing transmutation products. So it's really exciting, then if you look at the past I mean i'm going to go through super quick I promise

1:35:43 But if you look in the past, EVOs were involved in Nikola Tesla's spark gaps because he tried to pulse his spark gap very rapidly. In a unidirectional manner without the current reversing and he used like a flow of air to quench it. He used magnetic fields to quench his spark gaps and basically it was an EVO generator And I believe that was what gave him the massive energy gain because it created this burst of radiant energy that was picked up by his primary and which was then amplified by his secondary coil. Then he had what's called extra coils, that magnified it even further. So I believe that was one of the mechanisms by which he produced a gain of energy. Also we have Thomas Henry Moray and his vacuum tubes he produced

1:36:37 And he used a concept where he was creating electrical glow discharges, but he was using small amounts of radioactive materials in his tubes to pre-ionize the environment. But if you were tuning them into resonance and that's another key concept here, tuning it into resonance, he would produce massive gains of energy Then there's edwin v great of california in the late seventies and eighties he produced a series of motors. And different devices that operated on the same concept but you know directional spark gap that was very rapidly post

1:37:16 And he was able to post the system and capture with these external collection grids this radiant energy that blasted off. And he was able, from what I have been able to determine, sent his motor to Caltech in California and they gave him a certificate that stated it produced more than 200 times more output than input And that used EVOs, obviously. Then we have Joseph Tapp's noble gas engine that some people may know about it used a mixture of noble gases within a cylinder and when he ignited a specially designed spark plug type device within the cylinder it would ignite a plasma ball and it would push a piston

1:38:11 and he was able to power his motor, it was a closed system. And he was able to have third parties test his motor and it worked Then we have Alexander Chernetsky's self-generating discharge tube Hal Puthoff again went to Russia to investigate his claims Alexander Chernetsky had this discharge tube that operated specifically in the negative resistance regime And it produced way more electrical, I think it was three or four times. But I'm sure he could have optimized it much much further It produced three or four more times electrical output than input according to him and mysteriously Alexander Chernitsky was killed in a car accident A few weeks. I believe it was only a few weeks after that team went to investigate

1:39:06 And I'm not saying in any way that visit had anything to do with this demise at all. I am only saying that it's a shame that he did not live longer to further develop his technology and that he did not have the opportunity to build more devices and produce more experiments, just show off to people Like Dr. Hal put off that could have been Presented the technology to other parties couldn't that could have helped him further develop it, you know And then we have Paulo and Alexandra Korea's post abnormal glow discharge device their website I think was like a etherometry calm a ether a Etherometry calm I guess you can pronounce at etherometry calm and

1:39:56 They had a device that specifically worked in the negative resistance regime and they were able to get access electrical output out. I mean the list goes on and on even all these hho systems you hear about browns gas systems, Most of these browns gas systems, the anomalies that are produced by the brown's gases due to the fact that there are cavitation bubbles being created and there is EVOs being generated. These EVOs on a tiny scale get embedded into the water molecules and the water molecules become a form of electrically expanded water

1:40:36 And if you're interested in this, you can go online and do some research into George Wiseman of Eagle Research. He's been working on Browns gas generators for a very long time and he has done all kinds of great work in determining that there is a form of electrically expanded water That's basically water that is turned to a gas but via non thermal mechanism and this water when you ignite it the EVOs are released. Again he does not use the term EVOs, he has his own ideas about what exactly is happening

1:41:14 But the EVOs are released and they interact with the material the flame is applied to. And that is what allows, for example, Brown's gas to transmute elements when it is applied to a material. Brown's gas generators produce a form of electrically expanded water which is produced by the cavitation that takes place. For example, if you have pulsed DC going in you will see hydrogen forming on the cathode oxygen bubbles forming on the anode and between the two you'll have a separate stream of bubbles forming and that's from cavitation And that's where the electrically expanded water is coming from

1:42:03 And basically, when you ignite the gas and you apply it to a substance. This is me I'm not saying this is 100% correct but this is just my understanding of it now. We know for fact that will produce transmutation It will remediate nuclear waste You can apply brown's gas to radioactive material and it will reduce the radioactivity This has proven But what I think is happening why can do things like for example vaporized tungsten and oxidize it in a very weird way, and interact so strangely with different metals is because basically that flame acts as a cathode because it's spraying out electrons and EVOs. And so you have the cathode, and then you have the material which is acting as an anode, a more positively charged structure. And then you start creating

1:43:02 a second larger macro scale EVO or double layer right off the surface of the anode. This will basically accelerate the processes that destroy, damage, vaporize and even oxidize the material So the phenomenon connects all these different phenomena together. There's many more I didn't mention, but if you look at the phenomenon it is ubiquitous not only in nature and biology, it's not only involved in UFO propulsion but all these different exotic technologies. I believe most of the exotic technologies that were not hoaxes and scams because there have been many

1:43:47 that were hoaxes and scams. There are con men that like to build bogus devices, and then there are other people that simply delude themselves because there is simple measurement errors they do not account for. And so there are many cases where cold fusion in different devices didn't work because they just weren't literally not working but though of all the exotic energy technologies that really did work I believe EVOs the predominant prime mover of the systems wow i really appreciate that walk through history and all the different devices that you think were legitimate. And just everything share with us today it's really impressive and i hope that it's been helpful for people trying to better understand, the alternative energy in ether physics communities

1:44:44 It's just it's not send i can't believe you're actually gonna retire this information from your brain space i guess as we're wrapping this up would you wanna leave people with anything else they should follow up on what would you like to see happen or what might you dedicate your time too. Will i don't want to talk about me so much what i plan to do but what i hope this happen in the ufo community is a really hope to see people take the animal thomas willson document more seriously, i wanna see the UFO community refocus on it because it was a sudden. Spike and attention received when it first leaked out now people are not talking about it as frequently however if provides us with some key insights

1:45:29 about the interface between the DOD and the special access programs. And that interface is the senior review group of this Special Access Program Oversight Committee, and it's specially the leadership team Senior review group such as the director of special programs and direct one example of someone who is directed special programs was general william mccasland tom de long's original advisor. And so we can understand now what time belongs said general william mccasland with such an important man he wasn't such a important man because you work that right paterson like ttsa has said repeatedly

1:46:16 And everybody likes to repeat no he was such an important man because his assignment immediately before going right paterson was director special projects. For our stat so that's what puts him in the prime position, do you be at the nexus he is the next step keep man interfaces between the black world of these special access programs and the pentagon everything goes through him And so if the congress at the senate wants to know how to get this information they can either go directly these aerospace corporations which should do but number two they can't go directly to all these different individuals who have been on the leadership team of the senior review group and all the different individuals

1:47:05 Who are still alive that have been the director of special programs and they need to bring them into congress and they need a swear them under oath until then they need to say everything they know about these UFO related special access programs. Any needs to be on the public record not in secret it doesn't need to be a classified hearing it needs to be broadcast on C-SPAN for the world to see. Because the only way to end this cover up is not with a slow disclosure, not with a drip feed that's only going to cause more frustration it's gonna make people mad its gonna slowly buildup their rage over time if the best way to disclose all this is immediately quickly all at once because then the truth can get out there completely

1:47:52 But then we can focus on the positive side which is using that information to build a better world to reduce human suffering and to become part of this. Galactic community that's out there and thats actually coming here to visit us but you know we are just so far unwilling to embrace because it is massive ufo cover up So i guess that's what i have to say and i would encourage people again to go to the sapphire project website youtube and look at the sapphire project videos i believe that. I'm there gonna be a big thing in the next coming years if you're billionaire consider investing in them do your due diligence into your own research and

1:48:39 And I'm not an investment advisor or anything like that, but I would suggest they need funding. So if you want to do something great for the world there are an organization you could look into that are doing something amazing that you could potentially invest in and benefit everyone. Any more questions from me? Anything at all because I don't mind continuing for another hour if you want to. Oh man well I guess just The only other thing i wanted to ask you about is when we're talking about the evos, you did mention a few yes this sapphire project. We can support them but you didn't mention if people that have devices right now like i was trying to look up just rudimentary

1:49:25 The hydrogen inhalation generator there's a couple of places out there selling stuff like that there's george wiseman. Browns gas unit are their other things that you've seen better maybe not so known about that you can actually purchase today that you think have credible applications mainly for our own health or super charging our water, Will there is many companies that sell hho generators and browns gas generator in the browns gas will contain a certain percentage of electrically expanded water which will contain extra electrons or ebo's. And you can breathe that in you can

1:50:10 Drink water it's been bubble through of course before you do anything like that do your own due diligence i'm not a medical doctor. I'm not giving medical advice to put the disclaimer in there, you know consult with your physician all of that first but there are applications for hh and browns gas for health when it comes to health and general another thing i will just mention The anti aging field is really exploding right now that's one field of science it is advancing but with the knowledge and the reality. Of the ether in the scale and vector potentials its only gonna celebrate even further there was a number of anti-aging drugs in the very early stages of development right now

1:50:58 that could benefit people in tremendous ways. There's senolytic drugs, which are drugs that kill off senescent cells in the body that have stopped dividing that basically increase inflammation and send out carriers to nearby cells that start to change their genetic expression in a negative way so these drugs can kill the senescent cells And allow them to be replaced with healthy cells to improve the health of an organism or animal. And this is I believe in some human trials and there's other things being developed

1:51:37 Advanced glycation end product breakers, advanced glycation end products are inappropriately produced protein sugar bonds that accumulate in your body because you run off sugar and over time these sugars will bond with proteins in your body and it creates The best way to describe it is a gum that accumulates in your cells and your tissues and your organs They're working on drugs that can break them apart. We already have a couple but they're not super effective because of the fact they're not targeting the Prime advanced glycation end product that accumulates in humans, the most called glucose pain glucose pain is

1:52:19 Advanced glycation in product that we have more than any other but they're working on breakers i can break it up as well. Working on all sorts of stem cell therapies there working on epigenetic therapies where the not actually genetically engineering yourselves but their genetically engineering your epi genome which means how your sales are expressed And in animals, they have reversed the aging process doing that. They are developing simple drugs that humans could take that could reverse the aging process. They are working on using CRISPR technology—that's an acronym for a type of genetic engineering technology which can very cleanly and precisely remove or add genes from your genome. It can even be so precise it can repair

1:53:10 Like single letters of DNA tiny little portions of your dna got what they're called but it can work extremely precisely like laser precision. And they are using this now for therapies like if you have a genetic defect in your body they could fix it maybe for example sickle cell anemia, they could repair the DNA error that produces that. There's all kinds of therapies coming out that could benefit people, so that's another area I would say people should look into and I could talk all night about different supplements and vitamins that are beneficial but we don't have time for that any other questions about any other areas please keep shooting them out i'm enjoying this this is fun. Man! That pretty much runs the gamut of everything

1:54:04 had on our outline and everything I had planned to ask you about. The only section we didn't touch on really was the suppression of all this stuff, but...I mean, I didn't ask you questions about that but you definitely told us where you think that is coming from? I'm curious if you think there's any suppression from the entities themselves! What's their agenda when they abduct people what are they actually doing do you think? Are they circumventing our own government having direct experience with individuals you know, do they want to stay in secret? Well again we cannot lump them all together. I believe there's multiple species visiting Earth and they all have different agendas and there may be some species that have lived on Earth for a very long time perhaps underground or under the ocean um... The earth is a big place with this technology You can phase right through matter. You can travel through matter if you want too because most of matter is just empty space

1:55:01 A lot of people don't realize that. So they could have had bases on earth for millions of years underneath the ocean if they wanted to, just as an example I'm not saying that exists necessarily but it's just another plausible possibility And so i believe there's many different types of extraterrestrials they all have different agendas some of them have similar agendas. There could be different federations or alliances in space a different species im a star trek fan, so like to think there is different types of federations and the galaxy where aliens cooperate for mutual benefit

1:55:40 But we just don't know now there's certain species of aliens that it seems like they are abducting people. They are doing genetic manipulation or at least manipulating the epigenome They are implanting people with implants and they are showing them sometimes visions of or projections i believe this is technological. How they produce these projections of you know future disasters they might be warning humans that we're damaging your planet we are destroying the environment so forth

1:56:18 So they may have a negative agenda or it might not be really negative. It could be that we're just a petri dish to them, or lower On the evolutionary scale to them or the evolutionary ladder so that they're just trying to guide us in the right direction. But it's just they may not have the same morals that we do, or maybe they do for another perspective. We capture animals in the wild and we perform medical examinations. We take blood samples. We tag them and put them back into the wild and monitor them. So some ETs

1:56:56 I have a different set of morality than we do may just consider us like an advanced form of animal and they are doing the same thing monitoring us i don't think that there. It's some grand conspiracy where like there is a tree made between the government and aliens. You know that they could abduct so many people year but actually was broken i mean it's plausible but i don't think its likely i think this just different species with different agendas in this probably multiple species out of coming here to take a look and see what's going on because i hate to say we're probably um

1:57:38 Although they could be worse civilizations in the galaxy is probably somewhere there is. We're very irrational species we are very warfare and species we have very few differences between races. But we fight each other to kill each other and we have so many resources on this beautiful planet but we waste them, we spend so much money on the military that we could be spending to help people to develop these exotic technologies to restore our environment but instead of just wanna find each other and kill each other and it's absolutely ridiculous and i mean i would probably describe earth as a hell planet is the only way i can describe it. It's a planet that probably just startles a lot of these alien species because they can't believe how irrational we are, we're insane what were doing right now I mean even our political system isn't saying mainstream science is insane because

1:58:41 This video technology if tesla would have been allowed to continue his research with proper funding. No he died broke poor and a slummy hotel room but if you had actually had is research sponsored because everybody was brilliant, what if you can add his work sponsored who knows what kind of civilization we could live in right now But instead he had all these enemies that were always trying to destroy him because of these corporate interests. So the whole economic system is screwed up, everything on this planet is backwards and I really think the ETs are face palming all the time while they listen in their broadcast and when they jack into our internet which I think they really probably can do there probably like

1:59:30 I couldn't believe they could do that you know they just are probably saying all the time to each other these humans are they ever going to learn. So we have a lot of proof to the galactic community as a civilization and as a species in the beginning of that first thing in my opinion is ending the ufo cover up And with that we need to start developing this technology like what the sapphire project is doing but for the purpose of reaching. A level of post scar city where we don't have millions and billions of people dying of starvation every single year on this planet

2:00:15 We need to do better than that and as a Christian I think we have an obligation to do better than that. If we have the technology, if we have the resources, if we have the tools which we do have with these exotic technologies, we must use them to benefit our species as a whole instead of just letting so many people needlessly suffer I just could go on and on about that but i won't well cheers man this has been a real. Great time we've just hit three hours and I know my editor is already gonna be a little overwhelmed when this hits his inbox but man, i am just so thankful that Richard Dolan could connect us. I'm humbled and honored that you were willing to record an interview with me and I really just stayed out of your way because so much this is over my head

2:01:09 But thanks so much for sharing. No problem, I'm very thankful for the chance to be interviewed by you i've enjoyed this and thank you again Thank you take care Holy plasma paradigm shift batman wow three hours of evo greatness with a man who knows the plan kosh himself maybe some of you babble on five folks get that choice in nickname there But I am so happy we got this done. I of course have to thank Richard Dolan again, he was the bridge that made it possible and as knowledgeable and passionate about this info as Kosh is He was a little on the fence about doing an interview And now that its done, I thought it went great

2:01:58 There are parts to get a little bit technical but i'm hoping that there are people out there who are very into these topics and maybe had a few gaps in their understanding that hopefully, cosh filled in the appeal of some topics on the show can be wider than others but. given our talk here and there about self organizing plasmas i think an interview like this gives us the. Best understanding we can have and this is a pretty advanced in very nice topic so, i just think it's kinda cool for us to all have that in our headspace maybe there's a dozen or so people out there that might actually use this information

2:02:41 I'd be curious to hear what Shemanginir thinks of this, because he really is the one who got me onto these threads in the first place. And these things like ether physics and alchemical sciences... they do connect to everything! Because these things get to the heart of reality's structure and what's really possible and what life is really supposed to be like So I'm not surprised that Kosh dove into his religious beliefs a little bit I don't ever want to be rude to a person who is giving us their time especially on something so highly niche and so. Teach the road when it comes to that stuff but it's also just funny how sometimes material comes from a place you wouldn't expect, i would say of fundamentalist christian is not the person that i thought was gonna school me harder than ever been schooled on plasma dynamics in there all an alternative energy devices

2:03:38 The Lord works in mysterious ways, right? But he is so on point with the science behind EVOs that it's hard to believe that he's not seasoned at giving interviews on this subject. And he speaks so methodically and fluidly about this subject that its impressive because I find it pretty tricky language personally And as interesting and unique as that first half is in the plus show we got into exotic energy use in the ancient world, how these spoon bending phenomenon might relate to all of this. We talked about evils and biology egos and spirituality and cautious analysis of the Admiral Thomas Wilson document that kind of connects him and Richard Dolan

2:04:24 All good stuff if you ask me. Become a plus member if you haven't already! Lots of new signups after the last show with Dr Andy Kaufman, so thank you for that and welcome to the club I hope you stick around but I will say it was also nice to get a break from virus talk for a little while and I guess I should also say that even though this is the fifth show of the month we are going to have a sixth because I talked to Dell BigTree again the other day and he was just so good I just can't sit on it until the first. News is just moving too fast and so, oh well a little more work for me but its all good As I said there are a lot of new plus people doing the whole 7 day trial so maybe I can squeeze them in something nice But I do hope that you stick around for at least a month

2:05:15 Back in the old world, tipping a waiter $8 was really no big deal. Maybe you will tip me eight bucks for all these shows? Help me help you! But anyway also in higher side news the next joint session is going to be 422. We have a nice countdown clock on the website now but get the link there and join me at 7 p.m pacific this Wednesday and we'll get into it I'm curious how This current climate is affecting our people and just what you guys are seeing in your particular slice of the woods. So I do look forward to it, and for now i'm getting out of here! Your move Evo engineers secret science suppressors and plasma beans from the ethereal realm... your fucking move. Oh no You see

2:06:10 The world isn't random, it's attached to puppet strings Control over the thing The nine-to-five is trying to steal ya Now don't that job seem silly? Hello, can you hear me Or should I play back recordings from some spying agency? Wish we were younger and free. I'll be thankful when it's all exposed, a vast conspiracy There's such a difference between me now and the Denver child

2:07:04 Hollow from the higher side They're calling out a thousand cries They'll tell you the story Of everything that's been done And they'll call out deception Of the web that's been spawned Hollow from the higher side The earth is hollow inside They'll tell you about something that no one else will Have you heard about sad? Have you heard about the real since the war? But, no. They're cartoons It's so typical of me to talk about this stuff I'm sorry That's good and well

2:08:17 Did you ever hear the argument that nothing really happens? It's no secret And that the best is plush It's doubling your time Hello from a higher side They're calling out a thousand cries They'll tell you so The elite have done, and now call out deception Of the web that's been spawned. Hallowed from the high side Challenging your parents

2:09:09 And I'll tell you something That the battle's begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind's where it is won As the world's so blue As the world's so blue Hello from a higher side They're calling out our sound cards They'll tell you

2:10:02 Hey, the elite have done and they'll call now Deception of the web that's been spun from the higher side Challenging your paradigm And I'll tell you that the battle's begun but we can't fight it with violence, the mind's where it's won. That's the point