Judyth Vary Baker | The Lee Harvey Oswald Love Affair & Weaponized Cancer Connection

00:04 This puppet master's almost surely have a fit There's clearly maybe something there And until you've thoroughly tested every last horse Just did you know the less you really do That's true, Dr. Seuss! Where would we go without TNT? Cause' we know they're lying to us just don't look without TNT The Higher Side Chat Show Award Company

00:42 Folks, we know deception crimes and cover-ups are instrumental to the way the power elite does things. From staging coups overthrowing leaders creating false flags and carrying out assassinations they stop at nothing and spare no expense when it comes to advancing their hidden agenda securing their wealth and power and deceiving the masses from these realities However, out of everything they've done nothing has helped people see the light better than the very public assassination of JFK and the sideshow circus that resulted in the aftermath. Dare I call it The Gateway Conspiracy for most of the American people and those wise enough have been looking at events with a skeptical eye ever since

01:19 And be that as it may, few people realize the real depth of this saga. What Lee Harvey Oswald was really doing and how this related to a cancer-causing monkey virus that has been administered to millions of Americans under the guise of a vaccine making the death of a president in Dallas really just the tip of the iceberg Well lucky for us after decades of having to bite her tongue Judith Barry Baker has come forward to share her story of being intimately involved with Lee Harvey Oswald as well as a secret operation to weaponize cancer, which she details in her two books Me and Lee How I Came To Know Love And Lose Lee Harvey Oswald and David Ferry Mafia Pilot Participant In Anti-Castro Bioweapon Plot Friend Of Lee Harvey Oswald & Key To The JFK Assassination. I commend her bravery in breaking the silence! I'm very happy to have here Judith Vary Baker Welcome to the Higher Side

02:08 Well, I'm happy to be here. Thank you very much! This is a serious treat for me it's very surreal to talk to someone who has such intimate knowledge of these people and events and was very much involved firsthand And for people who might be unfamiliar i know you've talked about this story quite a bit in recent years but tell us about how you got involved with this cancer weaponization project which of course brought you to Lee Harvey Oswald as well Okay, and also I'm hoping that when people read the book is David Ferry mafia pilot briefly wanted to say that a lot of people thought that David Ferry hated Kennedy. I just wanted to in case we don't get back to it he actually did express hatred for Kennedy and the fact that he said Kennedy oughta be shot at a particular meeting of retired military officers in New Orleans right after the Bay of Pigs

02:55 Well, they made him get off the stage. But as a matter of fact he actually changed his mind later but these men surrounded him and said you know what? We feel the same way and you're a talented pilot. You're going on from here to all these Texas cities where you can carry your information for us faster than the US mail. He's trained pilots for anti-cancer we trust you And then see, David Ferry changed his mind. He found out who was really responsible for the fiasco of the Bay of Pigs and he realized that it wasn't Kennedy. Now he was in a position where he didn't dare say hey I changed my mind I like Kennedy because they're talking about how to kill him! This is one of the ways that Lee Oswald was able to get information

03:43 And that's why it helped him to penetrate. So you'll find over 500 pages in the book, David Ferry Mafia Pilot. It's the only book ever been written about David Ferry of course for people out there who don't know who he might be, Joe Pesci played that character in the film JFK. And he is the first murder that you see in that film. So I just wanted to say that Lee Oswald knew him and I met Lee by accident it seemed that way actually we know now but had been set up because they knew I was going to the post office all of that.

04:21 to participate in a cancer research project with Dr. Mary Sherman. Dr. Mary Sherman is famous today for different reasons than she was back then, she was a famed oncologist and cancer researcher her papers were always being quoted She was someone that I just admired so much and she was working with Dr. Alton Oxner in New Orleans And Ochsner had been overseeing what I was doing for quite a while. We have all the newspaper articles and everything showing up, the group of Dr. Alton Ochsner, Dr. George Moore and Dr. Harold Deal they went around testifying about the dangers of cancer if people smoked. They went together to trials and all that and they met me and mentored me

05:07 because I'd given mice cancer in only seven days. You can read about all the details of that in the book, Me and Lee. Okay so here I was invited to New Orleans and I was so excited but I was invited two weeks early my doctors were out of town briefly when I got there they weren't there and I had nowhere to go I didn't want to go back to my parents if you read the book you'll see why But here, there are special reasons why I was invited. I was invited because for example, I had worked in Dr. George Moore's own private laboratory at Roswell Park Institute and also went to seminars there that were run by Dr. Morand but the main thing I was working with a person I was working with Dr. Moore what's important about this is there's a formula called RPMI 1640 and it still used today

05:59 This formula was being created at the time I was there and would come out a few years later perfected. But, I had the formula to grow cancer faster than anybody in the newspapers you'll see that i was given the order actually start researching on how to make cancer more deadly. The excuse they gave me was that after all, if we can find out what makes it grow that will give us an idea of how to kill it." You see? That's the approach they use. Actually they were in a process... It started on March 23rd 1962 To weaponize cancer because CIA tried all kinds of ways to kill Fidel Castro and they had not succeeded They didn't want the United States to be blamed

06:43 Here he smokes cigars like a maniac, you know one after the other. And being sent to New Orleans and out of Florida and out of sight out of mind you might say I was practically untraceable in fact while i was in New Orleans I was Judy Baker...I mean Judy Verry But I married Robert Baker while I was there. When I was kicked out of that program for protesting for the use of prisoners, they were going to be injected as volunteers with this material that had been developed and if it worked it would kill them and I'd been told originally they had terminal illnesses turned out they were perfectly healthy. They resembled Castro in size height and genetic characteristics

07:24 At least one of them did. I saw one prisoner, Lee saw another so we know there had to be at least two. So that's background on that now. I arrive in New Orleans and expect I think to be working with Dr. Sherman, so excited and there on South America came two weeks early because University of Florida got out on a schedule different it was trimester schedule. So there I am and I only had $42 that's equivalent to about 400 dollars today that's not an awful lot if you don't know where you're going and nobody is paying your way. It was scary!

08:03 at the YWCA, they said I'm sorry you're not on the record yet. But you know, I was invited! Here's my ticket!" You know, the doctor had paid for my ticket to get to New Orleans. Well, you have to wait till they get back. Sorry lady, and there was nothing there for me and oh my gosh well...I decided I'd payed the least I could and moved into a room that already had four girls in it And they're two strippers and a Playboy bunny. All right! And a tough waitress, okay? And they're all young girls, but they were already getting kind of brassy and tough because of what they were doing. I had to pay one of them 25 cents a day so she wouldn't steal my stuff that she was guarding it you know okay yeah you know so nobody would steal little stripper mob going on right all right So they were taking me around i saw strip joints and i went to this show bar

08:56 in the back rooms and watch the girls put pasties on. These are things that were really different from what the experience I'd had with human body, which was testing for cancer and things like that. So it was shocking. And here I'm waiting for my fiancé to come. I didn't want to tell him what I was doing because I was afraid if he knew I was offered a job not only this job for the summer which I got a stipend for it and all expenses paid and so on. But in the fall, I would be able to enter Tulane Medical School two years ahead of time. I was enamored of Robert Baker he had IQ 186 and I think that was more fascinating with that than anything else. The fact that he was fairly good looking guy too and could play good game of chess. And I mistook sex for love people do that it was so different with Lee Oswald then

09:48 That was real love. Anyway, there I am in New Orleans and Robert said he'd come and marry me and they didn't ask me so I'm coming but first I have to clear with my folks well He hadn't planned to go into New Orleans So it took him a while to get there But I told him I was going to stay there all summer And I didn't want to tell them everything because I wasn't free wouldn't marry me he still had another semester to go at University of Florida and he had switched to geology So I said, look come to New Orleans. Come on follow me here You can get a job here There are a lot of oil companies you know and so on check out the schools It'd be wonderful for you to do, you know get your master's here in geology? So I convinced him to come well He course he was delayed because his parents had no idea and he didn't want to tell them about me Because I was

10:40 I came from a Catholic family. I had Hungarian blood in me and they were very white, and his mother said that my skin was swarthy. Even though I have blue eyes! She said look she doesn't even have to wear nylons her skin is so swarthy. Yikes! She could've said tanned you know? How rude! Oh my goodness that woman has said so many things to me when the others weren't around. Well, anyway you can read about it in the book and so he didn't want his parents to know anything about it So I even wrote...I was only allowed to write one letter to him And I also put an ad in the paper because he was afraid to call all this fear

11:26 Well, so I was going to the post office all the time to see because he promised her right every day. Well dang gum it He didn't do that And I was angry and like three or four days had gone by and he said write every single day No just no letter So, obviously people could see that I was visiting there every day. I had gotten a part-time job at Royal Castle which is a long bus ride way out on Airline Drive in Kenner but the waitress was leaving that job and they took me on part time in the morning until they could find somebody for full time you know? And of course wouldn't want to stay...I mean it's hard to get income anyway it was enough to help pay my bill at the YWCA

12:10 YWCA. This is important because it looked very strange to Lee Oswald, now Lee did come into the post office and I thought it was all an accident actually they must have known. Lee said later he would tell me that he actually arrived the day before now I'm standing in line here and I write this one letter and put an envelope on there and mark it on there that says R Roark you know well Well, he told me Robert told me to put his friend's the male name on there Rourke and it was sent at our A Baker. Okay? Robert a baker at Eglint Air Force Base where his parents were actually erecting some housing for you know for the military out there so they were getting their mail out there.

13:01 For Lee Oswald looking at this. He told me later he saw an envelope it looked like it said our a work the the the cursive are I wrote looked a lot like an A and the Rourke he knew Alexander Rourke and Jeffrey Sullivan they CIA Associated Pilots, and he had recently's later. He would tell me he recently met Alex Rourke. Alex would be the pilot who would try to get me, to pick me up and the day that Lee Oswald actually crossed over into Mexico at Laredo there I was supposed to get on a plane that was going to be flown in by Rourke and Sullivan That plane was shot down that day And they've gone missing They've been missing ever since

13:54 It was a frightening thing because we suspected that this was no accident, that Cubans shot them down. But maybe an attempt to make sure that Lee and I would never be able to get away... They were setting up there in Mexico City all kinds of ways to frame Lee Oswald And I would have been the impediment to that Because we met and we were going to try to get out of there We were going to go to the Cayman Islands and everything In fact, he left his suit. You can see in pictures Lee in his suit that he had from the Soviet Union, a dark suit that he wore for interviews right after August 9th around August 15-17 somewhere in there

14:38 because he looked very nice. That suit is missing from all the collections of his personal items. Lee actually left a suit and lot of his nice clothes in a locker in Laredo, and we have, of course, a record that the FBI searched the lockers, the bus lockers and so on in Laredo. We also have a record that they searched the safety deposit boxes in the two banks in Laredo. So I went recently to Laredo and showed them other records So Lee had someone there and actually picked him up. Lee did not ride a bus back across over the border, nobody ever saw him do it they tried to assume that they always try to say he's a lone nut but Lee was associated with others who were with the CIA and so on

15:19 All right, I'm giving you that background information because Lee's looking at this R. Roark and thinks it's an A. Roark and it's to Robert A Baker at Eglin Air Force Base And that's where it turned out that you have the FBI agent that Lee knew his name was Robert a Baker Hmm so you've got Roark and Baker on this same envelope. I'm handing it over Looks like I'm a courier of some kind right? That's what Lee thought Then when he finds out later, we're walking along that I was worked at Royal Castle. That Royal Castle out there on airline was just a few blocks from town and country in Bobby Kennedy's team was out there doing surveillance 24 hours a day using that Royal castle every day and all night watching the comings and goings because

16:09 Because that's where Carlos Marcello, the kingpin of the mafia that Bobby Kennedy hated. And he and of course Marcelo hated Kennedy That's where he was located and here I'm going out there for only a couple hours every morning Early in the morning and i go back all the way into New Orleans Nobody in their right mind would just work a couple hours at least you know He said why would she be out there just a couple of hours? And then leave maybe she's currying. She thought aha! She has got to curry Be courage your job, you know just like this Alex work thing That's obviously it wasn't me and I put that on the envelope On top of that. I had put this ad in the paper and I had carried it under my arm Around with me for several days because and I said circled it and I kissed it with lipstick And it was encode Robert said put something in a paper So I know you got there if I use the phone they'll know I made a long-distance call to New Orleans You know he didn't want that

17:04 And so I put to Jar-Yo and pretty hair, you know. Right? And all that. Well when I put that envelope on the counter... ...I dropped the rolled up newspaper and Lee standing behind me he picks it up! Now I'm irritated because Robert Baker hadn't written yet and I am not married to him yet. I'm still a free woman And I look at this nice-looking guy behind me, he hands me the newspaper and I thought I'm going to use some kind of... I'm gonna break the ice with him. So in Russian because I thought he'd say what did you say?

17:41 In other words, well done comrade when he handed the paper back to me. And Lee answered me in Russian it just blew me away! He said it's not wise to speak Russian in New Orleans I mean you could knock me over with a feather It was my grand way of saying hello to a guy. Why did I even flirt with him? Well, I did it because first I was angry second he didn't have a wedding ring on his hand or so I thought soon and I would notice that he did have a wedding ring it was on his right hand because Lee was married in Russia and just like my grandma did she was Hungarian He wore his wedding ring on his right hand as the left So I was fooled see I wouldn't done that

18:26 So people need to know that, you know. Yeah it's an important point for your character! That's right I don't think you mentioned this yet but Lee was also a runner for this ring of secret labs you were involved with right? Yes that's how what turned out originally he was not going to be doing that originally he was gonna be a photographer in New Orleans And then he learned that Herbert Philbrick, who was his... when he was a child that was his hero. Philbrick had written the book You Know I Led Three Lives and Lee had seen him on TV six or seven episodes in New York. Now, his brother thought it was in Texas and so then they discredited that because Lee's brother Robert said oh Lee saw those at Texas, it was his favorite show but it wasn't playing in Texas at that time but it was playing in New York when Lee was there with his mother

19:17 when Lee was around 12 years old. So he did see some episodes and he told me they brought tears to his eyes, He wanted to do the same thing! He wanted to be a spy. He wanted to do like Filbrecht did pretending to be a communist and at the same time he'd be handing over information to FBI And his desire was to enter the USSR while he was still a teenager so this stuck with him. He tried to join the Marines when he's 16. He had a fake birth certificate Much he wanted to you know serve our country. He did join at 17 You'll see in Wikipedia and other places they say he dropped out of school They don't mention that he got his GED when he was in the Marines He dropped out of school in order to join the Marines now put that on

20:01 in that context, they say. They make him look like a real failure dropped out and then they have paragraphs and then they say he joined the Marines well actually he dropped out right away in order to join the Marines his heart was set on serving this country He was reading Marx, he was reading Engels, he was reading Lenin and all these communist literature that the Warren Commission says he was reading When he was so young, starting when he was what? He couldn't have been more than 13 when he began reading all this and smart. Very smart But they don't mention is that he was reading Thomas Jefferson. He's reading the Federalist Papers. He was reading Leviathan! He was reading the great works written by our American patriots Our fathers are founding fathers They don't mention that he was reading both sides

20:50 very much about both sides. Obviously there's been a lot of character assassination Of course they do and, of course they've done it even to everyone they possibly can Even to President Kennedy their focus on his foibles and his sins without so the people don't realize the great greatness of this president And we fortunately have The Devil's Chessboard that book out there by David Talbott And we also have JFK and the Unspeakable by James Douglas. These two books really show the courage and the greatness of this president, this president had to be murdered, had to get out of the way so that a man whose overriding ambition was to become president more than anything in the world, Lyndon Johnson could come in try to take his place even to the point that Lyndon Johnson got himself a rocking chair so he'd look like JFK.

21:46 I also really wanted to talk to you about the cancer side of things here. You mentioned Alton Oshner, of course people might remember him as the doctor who publicly injected his grandkids with a polio vaccine to prove it was safe and then one died pretty soon after and the other one contracted polio. Yeah! A week later his grandson died and the other went ahead polio right that taught him a lesson and he even talked to me about this You see, he said look Judy you know we have all kinds of people out there who trust their doctors even I trusted my doctors and I lost...I put my children at risk. My grandchildren and he said don't you think that Castro trusts his doctors? See

22:31 It turned out there were a lot of doctors that pretended to just be his friend. But it's not the doctors that had the problem so much as we could really work with the texts, but what people don't understand is that whereas maybe Castro's doctors were just as loyal as they could possibly be When the doctor asked for a vial of penicillin, he asked it from a nurse or tech. They get it out of the refrigerator. Or let's put this way even if the doctor goes to the refrigerator and something is labeled they'll take it out It was so easy you see can't see cancer cells You could put them in liquid that looks just like any dose of penicillin and you'd never know

23:11 The other thing is that Castro was getting x-rays about once a year, and he would get his different shots because he was out in the jungle. He had been in the jungles and so on, they always checked his health, it's important! And he had a DPT shot coming up I was told...and so on Imagine now if you put, let's just go to the President of the United States. Put him in front of an x-ray to see how he is doing and all of a sudden... You know it looks fine! Just looks just fine but what do you know back then? If a tech is in charge of that big X-Ray console And they turn it up and they didn't ask them so think of it that way Bring down the immune system with a big dose of x-rays and that was part of it The other part is

23:55 messing up one of his blood tests. That is, Castor was going to have some blood withdrawn to see how he's doing. He had anemia and so on... And you take a smear and put it under the microscope and if you see cancer cells running around in that blood imagine! You're gonna put him under the x-ray again and look if you find any tumors right? Well, It would be easy to contaminate a slide with cancer cells a tech could do it again. And if you're going to send him in front of x-rays again and there's another tech that has really zapped up, then he is going to get sick. He is going to feel badly. Then they are going to give him like maybe penicillin and they are going to try make him feel better." So we had this kind of arrangement worked out

24:37 Why did we have this kind of cooperation? It wasn't necessarily because they hated Castro, because of what he was doing. Because a lot of people liked what Castro was doing but as a matter fact, Castro had changed the whole medical system around They weren't making a lot of money anymore They were on salaries and they were being sent out to help the peasants. And then the other thing that was going on is instead of being sent to Ochsner and others, like the Mayo Clinic or whatever for training but Ochsner got a lot of them These young Cubans were being sent to the USSR and they felt that they were getting inferior training. And of course, they could never become famous doctors like Dr. Oxner. So you had a whole bunch of young doctors or those working as techs who wanted to become doctors who are very dissatisfied with the fact that they weren't going to become rich.

25:30 It's a massive story, but obviously there were several different methods discussed to get Castro. And obviously in the end we know that didn't happen... I feel like we were so naive now remember Lee was only 23 and I was 19 when I met him and we believed our leaders. We believed Ochsner, we believe these eminent doctors But when the, you know what? When Lee is supposed to take that bioweapon all the way to Mexico City and hand it off. If we think about it would we really risk handing over a biological weapon to a Cuban? Alright bottom line

26:11 We were fooled, but it brought Lee Oswald into Mexico City and they were able to frame him there. And we have fake telephone calls to Kostiakow, a USSR assassin. All kinds of shenanigans going on to make Lee Oswald look like he really wanted to go to Cuba more anything in the world Well in the end, he did try to get in. He hoped that he could get this material and himself But there was a shelf life on it You know after a few days you have to change the fluid lean how to do they make one change to get new fluid into this cancer soup, you know? But the problem that he then faces is how you can't live in a glass-lined thermos like a big test tube. You can't live in there forever! Now so Lee after a few days... He has a two weeks visa and here he's trying arduously to get into Cuba but all of sudden he gives up

27:10 And it's only been a few days and he returns. Well, he was ordered to return but all of the sudden Lee Oswald never talks about Cuba again He never tries to go to Cuba again His birthday comes and there is some indication that he actually got the transit visa at that time He ignores it. He doesn't even think about going to Cuba again Why? The project had been cancelled. Project was over, so they told him he could go back around Christmas time and return to Mexico City. Lee wanted us to go to university but by then we knew that we were under lots of suspicion and planned just kind of hide. We had all kinds of things... You can read about all our plans and what we intended to do

27:57 Now, what's interesting I think to the people here is that they need to know that Lee Oswald was a very brave man and because of David Ferry who had gotten this information that I talked about in the beginning. Lee was able to penetrate some of the groups that were in Dallas They had told him, as I said that he could return around Christmas. So he did not get a permanent job the job that was arranged for him at the Texas School Book Depository was just a temporary job they were always laying off people in fact they made room for him when you have the school year has already begun and most of the books have been shipped out you do not need another book carton handler to locate

28:40 books when you already have two of them. They already had two clerks that were picking out books out of boxes and bringing them down to be shipped off, and they were already laying off other people. Lee was actually in this Texas School Book Depository he was placed there on purpose and he told me This is even better than Riley where he had to clock out and I would cover for him, and you would clock in. I should say I'd usually clock him out because he wasn't even there so we covered for him And I put my J or Monahan would put his M on the time cards and that cleared them That he made some of the hours when he wasn't even around and Lee tells me it all on the phone He says you know it's even easier here at the at the...He called it The Building You didn't call it Texas School Book Depository

29:26 Another name, the name of the whole building had a different name than that. And he told me at that time, you know all I have to do here is she fills out that I've been working here all eight hours and I come and go as I please. Sure enough we have a record it...I'm trying to find it the original in National Archives. I'm going to find it unless it's being held back right now they're holding back a lot of the FBI is holding back a lot of records right now that they're going through, which ones they're going to release. What's silly about this is that a lot of these records have already been released so there are gonna be huge batches of records that have already been released and they are going to rerelease them some of them were pulled out circulation well you'll find that there was a record at least last day of work that was November 22nd when Kennedy was shot in as you know Lee Oswald was arrested within two hours of Kennedy being shot

30:23 But the work record shows that he worked a full day at the Texas School Book Depository. Yeah, all eight hours! Hey how about that? You're adding a lot of clarity to this and it's just such a huge story with a lot of details I wanted to ask you if your questions about the wider implications Of this story and how it might affect even listeners in their families because you said that, you know, you guys trusted all Noshner which is Not something not wise because he's a bit of eugenicist We know the cancer weaponization occurred And unfortunately, that's over 50. I mean it was 50 years ago! So imagine what they've done now and how sophisticated... Well they said that they had gotten this simian virus out of the polio vaccine but yet you've said you've seen cases up until 1999 where they still had it in there right? Yes here is the thing probably most of us are carrying it The trouble is most of us don't go for those who die from cancer

31:25 they're not going and asking for an additional test to see if they have the simian virus, you know, the monkey virus SV40 in their system. So when they do, they were finding a 60% of them were carrying it. And this is so many years afterwards. In other words, it's carried now from daughter, you know to children. Husbands would get it from their wives Maybe it could be any fluids would transmit it but mainly we're looking at it coming from the mother to the children It's passed along just like it is in monkeys for heaven sakes that a lot of people say oh no this don't connect us to AIDS either now I did not develop AIDS and I'm not pleased that The History Channel has accused me of saying

32:11 that I worked in the laboratory that developed AIDS. I worked with people who later apparently did work with more viruses and there's a good lot of evidence that despite what the government says, we definitely were working with precursors of the AIDS virus and all associated problems you have with that The polio vaccine is very, very simple virus. It's loaded with and they were grown on the kidneys of macerated kidneys of monkeys and these were filled with all kinds of viruses never cleaned up now when they said that 98 million people got this in 1963

33:01 What they failed to tell you is that those were what were on the shelf. They kept producing this, right? They said well after all we'll get a cure for cancer before this is going to show up because in humans since it was a monkey virus and it wasn't as active It takes time And of course they've done everything they can to try to prove that The monkey virus doesn't cause cancer How come it shows up in so many people who have cancer. Well, that's the bottom line if you could look at it under a microscope you'd see that the polio virus is very interesting because it's like a donkey It can actually piggyback other viruses on humans

33:40 on top of it and carry them anywhere it wants to. It's just like that. That's what makes me curious because you were told that you were working on a cancer weapon at Kilcastro, but these other implications make me wonder if there are other goals and objectives for the secret ring of labs? Well, that's it! And they're all separated from eachother. I saw sign-off initials The reason David Ferris was off the grid like that, now it's interesting that Ochsner they had been working on this since March of 62. March 23rd 1962 is when they decided to put all this together but it was only days earlier before Lee and I both reached New Orleans. Now you know Lee and I reached New Orleans we were both sent to New Orleans the same week. We actually

34:29 registered for our cover jobs at the same employment agency, and there were five or six of them in New Orleans at A1 together. We were interviewed the same day at 640 Magazine Street and we were hired on May 9th. On May 10th, we were hired We worked and let the because Riley had their work week started on Friday, not on Thursday. I mean, on Thursday usually it goes one Monday through Friday is a work week for Riley It was from Friday all the way to Thursday. So a lot of people thought that Lee Oswald didn't even start work till May 17th, no he started on May 10th and got his first check on May 17th as a full week's check! And I did too we were there though not at Riley's but for one whole week we were at Standard Coffee Company where our records were laundered

35:22 So we have two records in the Warren Commission report and the 26 volumes where Mr. Monahan says, yes we did it ordered a background check on Lee Oswald It was ordered by Standard Coffee and it was at order by Standard which was a subsidiary of Riley. So what happened is, of course we made a fake... We got the templates all right and stationary but I explained how we did that in the book Me & Lee and then we filled them out. We had so much fun filling out that Lee was a wonderful model citizen never been to USSR He had just got out of the Marines, uh-huh. And never had been fired from a job and so on and he had like the equivalent $25,000 in his bank account We made him into what Lee called a rich capitalist pig You know? Had a lot of fun doing it Well we did that

36:13 I learned to type better because I was dreadful typist. I was slow, I was pretty accurate but oh so slow! So anyway after one week together on the same day on May 17th we both move over to Riley's and of course since he moved his name Oswald there minus Baker my actually got a check that was issued by Standard so i can prove that I worked at standard that week But by the time we processed over there, they had not yet hit the O's. So Lee's first check was issued by Riley's because we transferred over around 930 in the morning. Well they already cut my check I was a B but they hadn't got to Lee's by then

36:57 So he has my check is from Standard. His is from Riley, why is this important? Nobody realized that Lee Oswald worked at Standard because he had no check that said it and of course when I said that he did work at Standard nobody believed me until I showed the records to them so I have many internal ways of proving that Lee and I were associated with each other and I saved all these records myself of course Right, and I understand you've been vetted pretty heavily from Jim Mars and Ed Haslam of course. And i did hear you say in a previous interview to get back the cancer thing a little bit that we could have cured cancer by the 1970s by using bacteria fange can you educate us on that? A little bit yeah bacteria fage um that's greek phages is to eat bacterias

37:40 In other words, this is a virus that eats bacteria. They're really cute under the electron microscope they look like little mosquitoes. They have zippers you know the dippers or whatever they look just like what a mosquito might have and they sit on legs like four legs and in between down goes this dipper down into their cell and it'll inject its own RNA in there, and that's the beginning of the end for that cell. Of course you have to have a lot of them but they multiply like crazy What's interesting about bacteriophages is they're easily manipulated and modified to the extent that you really can't patent a bacteriophage because someone else could make a slight improvement, and they would patent it too. It's very easy to do and cheap. Bacteriophage in fact is probably the cheapest way there is to cure cancer besides

38:35 forbidden drugs, which I'm not going to talk about right now. But please think about Oregon! All right? Seriously if i had cancer I would move to Oregon or I'd go to Australia where they allow it all right so... Or I'd go the Netherlands But we're talking about bacteriophage being too cheap to modify, therefore big pharma is not going to do it because they can't make enough money. Now online you can see a study where they're using bacteriophage which they've already modified so it will go into the cancer cell. You'd think that would have attacked the cancer cell

39:13 You know, because that's what they should do. And by doing so the cancer cell bursts and all kinds of baby bacteriophage would emerge or spray out on...and continue with a lovely thing is that when they can't find any more cancer cells they go latent. That is they don't keep multiplying on nothing Well you would want to ask yourself why in the world aren't we using this? Well, they found a way to make money on the cheap bacteriophage They've taught these, I call it teaching but you understand what i'm saying. Indoctrinating That's right they can be selected to want to eat a certain particular type of cell and of course you can modify them genetically very quickly so there you have this bacteriophage and its modified they have it modified so that will go into cancer cells and what are they have done? They piggybacked

40:10 with chemotherapy units on the nano scale. That is expensive and that is what they are doing, but we don't need that but you know it's just another sad litany we have these cancer I call them cancer treatment palaces their cancer palaces You look at the money they've poured into these huge buildings and you ask yourself, when you could have a small clinic we have dozens of different ways that cancer could be cured. depending on the cancer. Now, some of them are incurable but there are other ways to even get around that It's just pitiful that we're still in a medieval stage where we're cutting them burning and poisoning them That's people! It was very sad A lot of people write me One person recently wrote his mother has died of it His father has died of it His brother has died of it His sister has it And he got it They can't see this is genetically linked

41:08 You do not want to, the government and others they don't want you to know that some of these cancers are actually contagious. Right and well I've learned a lot about cancer in the industry from listening to your previous interviews in your writing and obviously we've established they want us to stay sick on the chemo payroll but an aspect of this that really opened my eyes that you talked about is biopsies can you talk to us how they make the problem worse? I prefer thermograms, not mammograms or x-rays. You can use a thermogram and you can see hot spots. Cancer develops hot spots because they are multiplying so quickly.

41:47 and they need a lot of blood supply. They kind of carry in as much blood as they can, they create an acid environment by the way people think that they need to go on anti-acid diet. The cancer is going to make acid that's what they do okay? They make their own acid no matter what type of diet you're on What you want to have is a good rounded diet with fresh fruits and vegetables, and get your various... we could talk about the various supplements that can help you. But let's look again at what you were talking about. And would you repeat the question? So I do not want to... Dr. John Baxter What about biopsies makes cancer worse? Dr. Anneke Vandenbroek Because there are different aspects that we could talk about for example even

42:30 Lots of x-rays, like mammograms though can do so much harm to the tissues. I just urge people please choose the thermogram. A friend of mine who did this they found a cancer in her neck because it's thermogram will scan parts of your body that besides your breasts And it saved her life. Never would have been detected on her neck, you know with a mammogram. All right similarly the idea is that when you punch a hole and get a biopsy made You have to take a needle and insert it When you do this you're making opening to the outside of the body of course, you know punching in opening

43:14 Even though it's microscopic, when you look at it under a microscope, it's a big hole. It has been punched in and of course viruses can enter everything. So there is always the risk of infection but here's what happens...it touches the cancer and penetrates into the cancer. It's pulled out again or it sucks some of this or you cut some of it out or clip it out and that's what they usually do. All right, when you clip it out remember you have then a raw hole there and that whole if he cells are very small most most cells in the body are very small You withdraw this item that you have inserted And with it you're going to pull who knows how many cancer cells out with it? You see what I'm saying? Right but yet I with the tiny

44:01 Prostate gland. I know someone who had 10 biopsies done on his prostate before they finally decided, oh he's got cancer! I told this man don't do the biopsy please just get it out Do your exercises your pelvic exercises so you won't have to wear diapers and be embarrassed and get yourself a doctor who knows what he's doing, and get it out because you'll live. Now my former husband Robert Baker was diagnosed with prostatitis and I said to him at that time we weren't very friendly terms his wife really doesn't like me. Right Yeah That's the way it is sometimes she still writes on Facebook and things that are anyway let's don't go there

44:49 The point is, is that he did not listen to me. He said I don't want to lose my sexual function when I said get it out instead of kept it and you got the usual seeds or radiation as opposed to knock it out and so on finally he was on chemotherapy Finally they're giving him female hormones trying to stop the scourge going through his body. He dies in agony after all their chemo after all the radiation after everything of bone cancer, and that is such a painful way to go. Right? That's so sad! They're poking tumors trying to release cancer so they can treat it and you're paying them for that privilege but... Well they're ignorant really. They want the biopsy so they could see it under the microscope for several reasons like oh we better not take something out then find out it's not cancers they could sue us

45:39 They've got all these excuses, you know. Yeah I mean they can claim ignorance to a degree but when you find out that the simian virus was in the polio vaccine for decades longer than they said...I wonder what's an accident and what's a carefully controlled campaign against the people of their country? Oh yeah there are so many if you go look at the recalls on various most of them are for recalls on like bags that have dirtied up or they're contaminated and they're putting blood into the bags or something like that. But every once in a while you run into one of these vaccines, it is so dirty that they have to recall it. They don't like you know about them but you can find it online. I mean your risk taking so much just fooling around with these vaccines

46:25 You're supposed to be some kind of nut if you believe that you shouldn't take every vaccination the doctor asks you to take. I want to tell you that veterinarian, and you may have heard this from a talk I've had given before but a veterinarian with a classy dog, pedigree dog, their puppies they give them a test to see how the mother's antibodies are doing because they do not want to give her a vaccination too soon cause it can cause all kinds of damages but we don't give our own human children these tests So you have a child that's drinking from his mother's breast milk. Okay, getting all kinds of antibodies they need but they're going to go and throw vaccinations on them at birth. It's called insulting the system when you give them an overburden of something that is called insults. We insult the baby's immune system which is just barely getting started with a barrage of challenges. Here they are drinking their mother's milk. The mother is supplying the antibodies that will help kill this stuff off.

47:27 Well, they don't need a vaccination on many counts if the mother's antibodies have been checked for what they're strong in. Now we have over in Sweden and all of Scandinavia – Iceland, Finland, Denmark and even Germany – they do not require even maybe 11 to 13 vaccinations, whereas in the United States we begin at 45-46. Why not sell people another one if there's no resistance whatsoever? Well what you I try to tell people what you have here in your bloodstream think about traffic and how you can have traffic jams and clogging going on at intersections. Because literally in some of these overburdened systems, there are so many antibodies an old antibodies don't work anymore especially if they're getting flu shots every year most the shots are already obsolete before

48:18 Because those mutate so quickly, those viruses do. So here we actually are having people coming in with livers that are so clogged with antibodies that they're not functioning properly. Could it have any relation to clogged arteries in the heart? Heart disease being our number one killer. Guess what, heart disease is not the number one killer. That's not true and I'll tell you why it looks that way. They count heart attacks but they don't tell you where the heart attacks are all coming from a significant percentage. I say significant when otherwise its 50-50 whether heart disease and cardiovascular problems are killing people more than cancers

49:01 because a lot of people die from heart attacks from chemotherapy and cancer, and they count that as heart attacks. So it's very related? Yeah so when you add those in its 50-50 throw up and the cancer comes slightly ahead Well they love to fudge data we know that! Well there is another way and people need understand You've heard about five year survival rate right? Right sounds good right well what What about five years in one day and the guy dies of cancer? They include him because he's still alive, but the next day he dies. But he is included in that statistic. Worse it used to be when I was in school as a kid, it was five years cancer free! They don't say that anymore so now they by mixing this five-years cancer free with

49:55 five-year survival, it makes it look like hey you know some of these cancers are just they're even level or they're actually... Some of the breast cancers and especially childhood leukemias. And the reason those work so well first early detection helps a little but what really we're looking at is anytime you have anything that where you can treat through the bloodstream directly in leukemia Well, immediately some of those chemotherapeutic actions will work because you're working with the blood directly not in tissues and bone and so on. Now I had a friend his name was Ed Sherry we called him Tree Frog and he gave us all kinds of wonderful information about the Kennedy assassination He was very good to me and often told me who my enemies were because he's friends with them but Ed had bladder cancer

50:49 Those doctors never told him that he should never lie down and put his legs up above, you know, his midriff. Never do it because if you have bladder cancer, the cancer cells can actually leak up into the kidneys. So you keep your legs down that way and of course you should drink lots of fluid and evacuate your bladders often as you possibly can. And if I were a doctor treating someone like that, I would throw vitamin C and everything else right up into the bladder. I'd work on from inside out Poor thing, what happened is they said he was going to die in like three months and I asked him what he was doing. Anyway we went on his very special diet and it included all your bright colored berries and so on but mostly the brightly colored vegetables anything orange or purple or dark green all these are good for you

51:44 He cut back on pork. Interestingly enough, Denmark has the highest cancer death rate in the world and they eat more pork than anybody else and candy. And when you contrast that with over in Muslim countries where they're not allowed to eat pork but they're eating camel and all kinds of different foods over there that I say, well they drink camel milk. They're eating camel meat and so on lots of lamb red meats they're not getting cancer and that was also true if you're many primitive tribes that were eating just nothing but meat right? So it's not exactly the meat itself It is the sugar

52:22 And the conversions to sugar, potatoes for example, will convert right in your mouth. Your own saliva starts converting it into sugar. You can also look at the patterns of the diets of the Apaches and how it changed over time as an indicator. Absolutely! I worked with the Apaches on Indian Reservation out there on White Mountain And all with those poor people have gone through, I love them. They are wonderful people but a lot of their way 300 or 400 pounds they have been forced to stay in one place and to focus on a diet that's very heavy in corn tortillas and so on any unfortunately for them there getting died they have a diabetes epidemic because of it now what I think is fascinating

53:09 Yeah, we had no cancer. You saw no cancer among these Apaches when they were following the buffaloes and eating mainly buffalo meat and any dried berries. And once in a while they would raid you know, the Navajo which also really Apache but they settled down. They would raid them and get some of their food and take some of their kids, things like that Well, they were healthy and strong but now that they're on reservations they're fat and frankly they're ill. They're sick it's sad to see so it's not necessarily a diet that avoids meat completely although with our modern diets and with whatever they're putting in cattles mouths you know probably you should really reduce your red meat too and watch out if your chicken has hormones in it or whatever don't eat

54:00 stay away from sugar more than anything and stay away from too much fruit because Fruit sugar fructose is the problem now something interesting in our country We have like almost all your your sweet sweeteners Now they're based on corn syrup solids corn syrup and high fructose Syrups, all of these are those They'll give you a good case of diabetes if you're a kid. And even sugar itself is better off because there's some fructose in it and all that, it's not all sucrose but even white sugar is better than this corn syrup junk. It's dangerous, that's all for our people are on a poor diet when you can spend $5 and fill your stomach

54:46 And it's all dangerous for you. You get fat, that's all we've got! That was one of my questions for you because as I understand it if you have this SV40 virus that mutates into cancer in about 1 in 200 people are these things the factors and triggers that determine who that one out of 200 is going to be? Or are we just screwed if the damage has already done... There so many ways you can trigger stress for example Americans are among the highest stressed people and they work harder than almost anybody else. We've almost doubled our production rates, we haven't given the people the money." What makes me almost laugh is I know so many people, they don't dare take their vacations. It's on paper that they have two weeks and they don't dare take it. Right And the other thing is on paper they're paid maybe time and a half but then you make them work overtime without putting out in the paper You know? Mm-hmm If they do not do it, they'll be fired Why if... just think

55:45 We have so many people overseas that their work week is 37 hours or like in France, it's even just 35. They get full benefits not in America When I see that we have people overseas are getting free medical care, and I saw an 87 year old woman. She was operated on for stomach cancer she lived to be 90 after the operation she was so happy her family was happy in the United States they never would have given her a chance. And how many people are losing their homes? But let's go back to this trigger factor about the sp40 monkey virus almost anything that caused it I have to go through TSA get these x-rays, but then I'm also on a plane. I've made I'll be making at the end of July I'll have made eight trips over this over the Atlantic Ocean back and forth You know mm-hmm and a high altitude where I'm being bathed in in radiation right there's nothing I can do about it except

56:44 Try to fortify myself, but I probably will die of cancer. I worked with it I've even swallowed some of it accidentally because when you're working with test tubes and things You have to suck yet. He's stuck up the stuff in with pipettes pipe Yeah, and you have cotton swab at the end Well if that cotton swab gets wet cuz you suck too hard hit your get down on your mouth, you know yeah And you've been exposed to a lot of radiation over the years too. I was exposed to a lot of radiation, and I really should be dead of cancer by now but trying to take good care of myself And with all the x-rays and things that where people are exposed to, the worst problem of all is nasty rotten food. Sometimes literally that I can hardly stand some of the food over here having tasted really good food and when you go back to free medical care over there Here you lose your home in order trying to get yourself cured or something We don't have inheritances anymore

57:39 When I'm overseas and I see that, I asked my friend George. It was his mother who said stomach cancer he had it too again put add those up he had it his mother had it well they have a very they had a very poor diet they didn't like they liked to eat lots of sugar and they ate they didn't like fruits and vegetables and they got stomach cancer it's very interesting Wow. Yeah, we live in troubled times and people just seem to be letting it all happen. People feel helpless you when we talked about a Gates and all them they're giving these shots over in Africa or India this

58:15 They actually have more polio now than they've ever had. Indians got so upset about it, I think they tried to sue or something at least they kicked them out because these poor people now have lots more polio than they had before the definition of polio has changed you see it used to be that if you got the fever and a headache or whatever and then aching buddy and you were paralyzed for say several days but you got over it, they no longer call that polio. You get that a lot from some of these shots. They change definitions and symptoms... Because it has to be permanent situation where if you're paralyzed for months then they'd say oh you have polio but not you-you-and-you don't have it

58:59 Well, that's a curious thing. On that subject because you do seem to know so much about the medical field and what is going on... I wanted to be a doctor! I want to help people, ya know? Right. I've kept up with these things Do you have any thoughts on the Morgellons stuff thats happening? Well thats why i say in my story I have plastic actually being created right out of their heads wherever they want Here's the thing. It's a shame I'm not going to say that Morgellons is real, I'm not gonna go that far because I don't want to get chomped on you know and broadened upon but Frankly, it's possible. It is chemically and biochemically possible because there are plastics that are so closely related to keratin in human hair that I can see if a virus which is very small... viruses are smaller than hairs most of them are. This is a mega-virus

59:52 I can see where you could get a viral infection that could take plastic, it could take regular hair and turn it into plastic. Wow! It's possible. I'm not saying that what is going on. I am saying...it is possible they say all they've done is scratch themselves and they got fibers in them. It IS possible that Nano fibers that have been subjected to radiation could maybe be activated when they hit DNA. It could even be a real kind of terrorism, imagine if you wake up and you've got hair sprouting all over your screen or something? I mean what could happen in the future these people will try anything! If they can spray whooping cough on us way back in the 50s what can they do today? And I say they...who are they?

1:00:42 So many people say I just do what I'm told. Well, my friends as long as you do what you're told we're gonna have the world We have mmm well said and Wow Judy it is about time I cut you loose But I consider this a real milestone for me just to spend some time talking with someone who's so intimately involved with this stuff And on behalf of the listeners thanks for putting yourself at risk To get the truth out it's a noble thing You're very brave and to relive this pain Every time you speak out. I'm not always brave in the middle of the night! Well, it cannot be easy and to relive this pain every time you speak out is gotta be difficult My friend but what's nice is that they call it rambling on my enemies do You know she rambles on but I think I tried to give you a rich picture of what's going on and not just keep it in one spot We can focus on one spot

1:01:34 I think it'd be kind of boring. I hope that you feel like you've learned something and I hope it's helped somebody! Absolutely, absolutely. If anybody wants to go see some of the stuff on my blogs, it's Judith Baker, J-U-D-Y-T-H, judithbakerblogspot.com You can actually get autographed books there and donations. I don't ask for...I've never asked for donations but I do tell you that there is a button But that's as far as I'll go. I really appreciate all the people are doing to it, sometimes they feel like the last witness standing they are dying like flies now so as long as i can speak and I shall

1:02:14 Amen. And remind us once more, because you mentioned it in the second hour I wanted to say it again, the upcoming conference that you have... Oh yes! It's going to be held in Dallas at the Crowne Plaza Hotel You can go to JFKconferences.com or we're also gonna put up jfkconferences.com and the tickets are not that expensive well they're presently $85 net $95 like that And it's for all three days. The main thing is that if there's someone who really can't afford it, contact me I'll try and find a way to get you a ticket because that's more important than money but this is not... we can't get a tax status that says we're non-profit

1:03:01 They make it really hard, really hard for someone like us. But what we do is and the books are open people can look we're not making money off of this thing but I'm selling my paintings. My paintings sell for $6000 and i do not keep the money from that. I can't afford to actually because I want people know I don't keep money on this thing. This story has never been for sale so it goes straight into the conference That's how a lot of it is being actually financed, but there are people who have really stuck their necks out here and helped finance it. These conferences are not cheap but we have probably the best one in the world on this subject. Right on! And we're going to have another because of all that's going on. We're gonna have... surely we'll have one in Washington DC

1:03:47 We almost had one in Europe, but the legalities are kind of complicated. We probably will have one next year also in Mexico City Looking that way these people are really excited. They love Kennedy and they haven't been told the truth They really want to know it even if they have to hear it through translators Right on a lot of stuff happening for sure take down the Tippett sign somebody I'm not saying take down the tip it's like but that's what I hear some some people saying all right I'll say yeah, take that tip it signed down We've got us new something here to start turning around how dare the city of Dallas be the judge and jury of Lee Oswald Mm-hmm. Great well hey Judy has been a real pleasure getting to know you and talking to you Well, thank you Greg

1:04:31 Absolutely, absolutely. Keep fighting the good fight and do take care of yourself out there it's dangerous Join me on Facebook and that's where I can help people and it makes me really happy I always tell them I have to you know be sure to see your doctor You know get the information from the doctor don't just believe me or all that But I do hope that I could help people in some way at least even though I couldn't go ahead and cure cancer like I hoped or even be a doctor, I have been able to help some people and that helps. Well that dries some of my tears. Well you're definitely making a difference in more ways than one! Thanks again all right and thank all of you just thank you so much for everybody i'm just so grateful perfect bye-bye Greg

1:05:18 Boom people, Judith Barry Baker. I feel a little special getting this interview to be one person removed from Lee Harvey Oswald. It's a cool feeling but Judy is a very kind and empathetic woman and i know she's stressed out This wasn't exactly an easy interview to secure, and her having a scientific and medical background as well as coming forward with this story where I'm sure she's taken a lot of criticism from people picking apart her words trying to find holes or ways to discredit the saga. So i understand it don't mind all the talking over me. I think she is just trying to be hyper vigilant about her words and everything that comes out because so much scrutiny

1:06:02 So I get it, the details have to be on point and consistent but as interesting as the love affair angle is. I wanted to spend more time talking about the weaponized cancer project especially after last week's show with Patrick Jordan. The weaponized cancer project and the polio vaccine connection is something that affects all of us way more than a love affair with Lee Harvey Oswald as interesting as it is. Also, if you're trying to get a feel for her truthfulness and legitimacy I think that's easier to feel out when talking about something like the medical establishment and she definitely seems to know her stuff do check out meandlee if you need any more evidence to go on because she throws a whole lot in there

1:06:45 But I thought it was a great show. I've been pretty preoccupied with the medical and nutritional conspiracies lately, not that i have a lot of other ones planned in this realm but its probably my biggest area of struggle personally you know eating right and avoiding the barrage of processed foods and eating a diet more geared for just health in general...and exercise Of course, it's all easier said than done. But if you look at the three pillars of happiness typically being your romantic life your financial life and your health I'm with someone. I love doing a job I love but that third pillar is sort of in shambles and we should always focus on bringing our weaknesses up to the level of our strengths rather than just writing them off as well, I just don't do good in that area screw that I mean everybody's capable of being in great health everyone can have a six-pack if they want one Just do the work try it out

1:10:18 be faded to telling only lies But my dreams aren't as empty As my conscience seems to be I have hour, only lonely since they exposed me On THC No one knows what it's like To feel these feelings Like I do And I blame you! No one bites back as hard on their anger None of my pain and woe can show through But my dreams aren't as empty

1:11:39 As my conscience seems to be I have hours always lonely Since they exposed me on THC But my dreams aren't as empty

1:12:44 As my conscience seems to be I have hours always lonely Since they exposed me on THC No one knows what it's like To be the bad man, to be the sad man