Josh Reeves | Scientology & The Hollywood Machine

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00:44 Alright, Hireside Chatters. We know the world is largely run by unseen hands in a vast web of international corporations banking oligarchs secret societies think tanks bloodlines religions disinformation agents and alphabet agencies And it's not an easy task to deconstruct it As soon as we examine the power and influence of one far-reaching network, we're exposed to another with dominion over a different sector of societal control. And the pattern repeats until our dying day." Yes there are many hands in the cookie jar and today were going to look at some threads on this spider's web that haven't been brought to light as much as others and I think you'll be surprised more than once

01:22 Our guest today is a great documentary maker and all-around master of multimedia who I've been wanting to get on THC for quite some time. His name is Josh Reeves, and he's put together some really great films that avoid rehashing the same conspiracy 101 bullet points and cover some well sourced information I really don't hear anywhere else From his first with 9-11, New World Rising to my personal favorite The Lost Secrets of Ancient America and his examination of the Rockwall in Rockwall Texas Josh never fails to impress. And now his latest film The Spellcasters Hollywood Scientology the CIA and the Truth Movement dives into some of the previously mentioned unseen power adds new pieces to the ever expanding power pyramid puzzle and exposes some leading truthers as connected agents that might be hard for some people to hear

02:09 But suck it up and put on the big boy pants, because it's happening people. Josh my man welcome to The Higher Side. Well thank you so much Greg! It is a great honor for me to be here Yeah man long time coming thanks for doing it You've got several films that would make great topics for show and maybe we can start with a little bit about your path through some of this research Because elements of older films definitely helped you make some of the most important connections in the spellcasters right? Well, absolutely. It's one of those things I talk about a lot where and i'm sure you found this in your own work and your own research but sometimes the truth finds us in the oddest places we're looking at certain topics and not really thinking about others and then inadvertently those other topics seem to rear their head in places again where you're not really looking for it so same thing as you mentioned with my lost secrets of ancient america work you know in the rock wall stuff I wouldn't have thought

03:00 because I did those Secret Riot volume one and two films previously to doing the Lost Secrets of Ancient America volume one. And, I kind of figured when I was going into that topic, it was like oh you know it's kinda relief for a minute just kinda step away do something different and I never dreamed that those elements that I exposed in The Secret Riot Volume One with groups like Council for National Policy would have reared its ugly head again in that work and sure enough they did because one other people that's been very complicit in covering up This rock wall thing that you mentioned was a guy who was the longest sitting congressman in US history and he wound up being a member of this group and has done a lot of work towards covering up. He's a Freemason as well there in Rockwall so again you just never know where these things are going to take you with my new film The Spellcasters I had originally intended for it only be a real kind of honest investigation into who truly controls Hollywood, I never dreamed that it would have taken me through the routes that did

04:01 Especially in terms of the connections to Scientology, the CIA and then of course as you mentioned with various other Truth or People and what not that seem to be involved in this. And I'd come across little Just little tidbits of this stuff while working on the cigarette volume one in two thousand nine and then volume two to thousand eleven but i never quite knew how it fit. And so that's really where this film raises its more than just about you know next pose a hollywood really gets into all the elements of mind control and how these, Really what boils down to information warfare against the people are being executed again so it's really a wide ranging film that may seem like it's about one topic but. The more you watch it you seem to find out that its connected all these other various things and of course im working on volume two right now will expand more on that, get a lot more into the music industry side as well

04:53 Right on. Yeah, it's definitely an evolution this kind of research is always a process new threads come out and connect to places we didn't expect So just to give people a little context if they're not familiar with your work, you did the Secret Right series which looks at networks of power on kind of the right side of the American two-party system. And then you did The Lost Secrets Of Ancient America and just so people understand this rock wall in Rockwall Texas it Emits a type of frequency right there. They're trying to tell us that it's natural, but you've looked at it And there are qualities to it that clearly aren't right I mean It's a pretty impressive thing as far as ancient American secrets and I rarely hear anyone mention this thing well It's yeah But if you know it's more than just like my work in my opinion or anything that its

05:42 you know, not a natural formation. Let's just get that clear I don't want people thinking that i'm just creating some conspiracy to say that this thing is not natural when all the experts there are plenty of people who came before me who have done expert analysis and analysis on the materials and whatnot and that's really what it boils down to in you know there's been uh few attempted whitewashes of this information but the thing about that they never bring to the table is they never actually show what the materials are made up of. And it's made up a lot of very different, very rare crystals and minerals that have been sourced from various locations and then brought together to create these composite stones you've got stuff like zircon garnet. Zircon and garnet are the two most prominent minerals found in these stones in these minerals that are found in these stones do not naturally occur

06:33 anywhere near, within hundreds and hundreds of miles of where the rock wall is located. That's the number one thing there is no naturally occurring any geologist that knows the area takes a look at your will tell you that they're actually is know naturally occurring rock in this area whatsoever so anything found their would be an anomaly that's one other things it the people like the Smithsonian in the scientific community when they've tried to downplay it as a natural formation bay sort of whisper the caveat. They say, well yes it's a natural formation but we never found another one like anywhere else on earth. Next! I mean they try to move away from that and that is really the key. They have never found another one like it yet they know for a fact that its a natural formation but being made up of zircon garnet tourmaline even got some very rare earth metals in it The kicker for me was niobium content now if people look at niobium

07:26 Niobium is a material that we didn't even know existed until the late 1800s or so. It can only be extracted from another element called Columbite, so in order to get that material, you've got to be able to have columbite extracted from first. Now we use niobium in the modern day to create jet engines rocket engines we use it to reinforce pipelines is because you can essentially pass a lot of electrical current through it without getting an overabundance of heat and also contains tourmaline. Tourmaline is the only mineral that you can apply high level frequency too and the crystal will never shatter this another element at this

08:06 Plus, it has between the stones itself what has been called through the analysis a geopolymer mortar substance. It's a mortar substance that was created from three different types of quartz crystals that were brought together and mixed together and then put between these stones hit the air, they actually expand and solidify once it hits the air. And you mentioned the frequency response of this when there were archaeological digs conducted on the late 1990's They discovered that when they had their digging machines on top of where the wall was, the low frequency oscillations from the engine of these machines caused the entire wall to shake and vibrate and start producing electrical current. And there are metal rings that have been found embedded in the wall that look almost like our power outlets modern power outlets in a house you would plug something into. These rings which I've held my hand are smelted

09:05 from copper, aluminum and tin. Now there's never been any commercially found tin deposits anywhere in the world outside of Russia I mean much less in Texas so again the metallic elements and the mineral elements that make up this wall not to mention their a lot of course their alignments with the solstices or equinoxes is really really one of the main things we have but what interesting is the fact that this thing whatever it was doubled as a seawall because when you start to dig down on certain areas of it there was shark's teeth found embedded into the wall. There were sand dollars that should have been, by what they tell us thousands maybe hundreds of thousands millions years old that when cracked them open had fresh meat inside and the main kicker is is that the soil analysis... You can actually see where

09:59 If you look at some satellite images, you can see where this blue shale... a lot of the wall to get to where it is. You have to dig down really deep and pull all this blue shale because according to the soil analysis in the area, the soil is really tricky and very different right around the area where the rock wall is than anywhere else. When people are trying to put foundations on houses they have to go all the way down to the bedrock in order to be able to put stilt foundations down because of the soil. And, the reason that is is somewhere around 12700 years ago right in line with when we know there were a worldwide great flood event The soil analysis shows beyond any shadow without this rock wall was covered in a catastrophic event that happened somewhere in the Gulf of Mexico somewhere on the neighborhood 13000 years ago and when you start to look at other

10:51 evidence and what not that's what led me to this i didn't really know there was anything else around the united states about the rock wall When I was starting to really try to make the case that it wasn't a natural formation, I said well if there's any truth to this then there has to be other examples of this and other things around you know the United States that would match up with it. So I was very shocked start finding stuff because I started hearing that their mounds and some of these different mound sites found around Rockwall too which I had never heard And when she started finding out All these ancient sites around America and indeed around the world all share the same equinox and solstice alignments. That's when I started figuring out that this was not a coincidence, and then the stories from the late 1800s early 1900s from The Rockwall newspaper where multiple giant skeletons were found around the area... And then I started to find wait a minute! And I didn't even notice it had really no idea that there had been other

11:44 other ancient sites and other mound sites found all across America, specifically in the Ohio Valley where I've traveled. It's just crazy if you ever get a chance to go there and again large amounts of giant skeletons found sites with the equinox and solstice alignments And that is really what led me to all that work in The Lost Secrets of Ancient America Volume 1 and going back and actually showing people look this is the possibility who these people could have been especially when you combine of these various artifacts that are being found and the dates always going back. That's one of the things, the main reason why they've tried to downplay The Rockwall and keep it from coming out is because once you start getting into the timeline of how old this thing is, it turns everything we've been told about there being intelligent people on this planet way up because if you start looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of 432 thousand years old as what were looking at as far as This Rockwall

12:39 Wow. Yeah, man it definitely moves the needle back quite a bit and as you laid out they obviously somebody spent great effort into crafting this thing I mean what do you think the purpose of that was? Was it more than a seawall was part of a larger structure at some point have you got any kind of speculation on what that exotic combination elements is capable doing Yeah, well it's 20 miles in diameter this entire wall so and it encompasses in the modern day pretty much the entire city of Rockwall now I always get these emails and before people start emailing me you can't go out and see any of The actual wall people always even come on to know where I can go see the wall It's buried. You can there are places where you can see pieces of it that have been dug up but as far as what it was used for

13:28 That's the thing people have to start looking at things understanding that it's very difficult special when people start looking something that. Is perceived to be that old because they started looking at it from their own modern perspective you know we think of what we build a building with no use building for one purpose but this thing had a variety messages from and really, All of what it was used for, I don't think we really know. For instance one of the things that's been found are these tunnels, these underground tunnels that go down to the closest water source nearby and with some of the construction there has been a lot of speculation at one point maybe it was used

14:11 actually hide from these giants. There's been stories of some of these giants being cannibalistics, one of the stories that came from Rockwall about the Giants was this underground cavern that was found it had this giant pot in it with human bones and they've been cooked so you know appears with these underground tunnels possibly there could have been people there hiding from giants utilizing these underground tunnels to go get down the water but that seems to be something that was probably done much later. That's the fascinating thing about the evidence is The top layer of the wall is like a primitive form of concrete and as you dig down farther and farther, the stones get bigger as you go down. No one's gone down to full 100 feet yet but as you continue digging down, the stones get bigger and bigger and you start to see that this top layer was added

15:06 It was added to this thing at some point, we don't know when later on. So this thing probably took on a variety of usages throughout the years as we mentioned the evidence for producing energy is that possibly this thing could have been designed to produce enough energy to launch something it's very interesting that the exact location where this rock wall is just at the exact same trajectory for the perfect entry and exit way into space. Now when we launch space shuttles and stuff like that, they actually have to have a specific trajectory back in 1999 they were going to land the space shuttle I guess in Cape Canaveral or whatever there was bad weather and they couldn't do it so they had to bring in the space shuttle in this second best place they could for that trajectory and low behold that was right over rock wall and I actually saw it when he came

15:54 I mean it looked like what you think a plane or something crashing would look like, but just these huge multicolored streaks in the sky as it was coming back. It didn't know until years later when I started looking into the rock wall that that's exactly why It had done that. I've seen all kinds of strange events, even before I knew about the rock wall right in the area where it is. I have multiple UFO sightings there as a youngster. Missing time events...there seems to be some sort of magnetic anomaly on the bridge of Interstate 30 near where part this rock wall is located buried and myself and a friend and several other people I've talked to have had missing time events where you cross the bridge, it's one o'clock in the afternoon. When you get across to the other end, you look at your watch and you're going why is it five o'clock?

16:38 Wow that literally happened to a friend of mine where high school we didn't know anything about this rockwall yet. And we'd left go to work and it was like one o'clock we love the way stopping gas, when do you want across the bridge with someone like five or ten minute trip we started getting gas were looking for like how did we are related to her life. It's five o'clock. How is it five o'clock? I mean, it was really bizarre and another friend of ours once we told him this story he never wanted to admit it and he was like you know what haven't ever told anybody this now that you guys are mentioning that exact same thing happened me I didn't tell anybody because I don't want people think I was crazy so That combined again with the materials that I can't stress enough how rare So many these materials that are found in the rock wall are like tourmaline specifically

17:23 Tourmaline, first off to be able to get it you have to extract it from quartz. It appears naturally on quartz but in the rock wall stones its not formed on any natural quartz. Its just ground up into this matrix and there was a oil geologist from major oil company who took a look at these materials and he said in his opinion based on his scientific training knowledge that Because of the materials, this is just what's so fascinating about it. I mean it's not just the materials It's the engineering elements and aspects that went into this, that predate us knowing any of the stuff like the buttressing. It has a buttressing effect built into it to where you know it won't fall over and all these very specific engineering feats especially the ability to take all the materials that its made up and then mix them altogether if you now were to take all these same materials better in the rock wall and make some together their molecular structures would just all mixed bond together instantly

18:26 for some reason, from some process unknown to us today the molecular individual molecular structures of these different minerals remain independent in situ within the rock wall stones. They do not bond this specific oil geologist told me that is not possible his exact words were that is not possible in Earth's current gravity. So The gravity on earth itself would have been completely different in order for the environment to even be able to do what is done in this wall. It really is fascinating, I don't think I've ever seen something have as much focus on it to be covered up as this and its fascinating that the people who first

19:14 deemed the thing to be unnatural were Freemasons. The guys started trying to dig water wells, you know these people around the area nobody had named a town yet everybody wanted to name it after themselves and Jonesville and Johnsonville and they're research trying to dig these water wells when I start trying to get his war will say keeping rock in even back then made me knew that there was no naturally occurring rock there so we can figure out what it was one of the farmers eventually started digging this thing up And when they started digging up, they started noticing. Wait a minute this is you know this is way too perfect so they brought in the Freemasons who had established the town and they came in and took a look at it

19:52 And they were like, well what do you think? And immediately upon looking at it. It took them two seconds of glancing this thing to see masonry work I mean they saw the stonework of their own people there so that's when they told these settlers look none of you guys are going to get to name this after yourself because this right here proves There were people here before any of us So that's why they gave the town named Rockwall after that to be neutral Because that was really the only thing they could name it Man, you know obviously this is a little off from what we plan to talk about but it's all fascinating. And one other question that has been coming to mind recently whenever I'm talking to a guest who talks about celestial alignments of some of these structures that date back sometimes tens of thousands of years

20:38 Yeah, isn't it strange that they're still aligned? Because with plate tectonics and the Earth's wobble and the fact that we're spinning at thousands of miles in these stars in the sky are millions of light years away. Isn't something weird about the fact that they're still aligned in so many cases? Well, that's again I think that goes back to the engineering aspects that were put into this. When i started going out to a lot of these sites and that is what we do in The Lawsuit Against Ancient America Volume 1, I travel all over the country to go to these ancient sites and again you know these things are still measured to this day You can literally go out and watch these measurements and see them happen even today One of the strangest things for me was at Chaco Canyon in New Mexico because

21:26 What blew me away about that, and it's right exactly in line with your question here is wouldn't these things change over time? Well what even blew me away about that place was that a lot of these have as you mentioned a lot of all these sites have solar alignments and there are other sites that have lunar alignments. And the interesting thing about Chaco Canyon is that it has both which is rare. You never see a site that actually has solar and lunar alignments, and what's fascinating about that is that these lunar alignments—some of the ones that are marked in Chaco Canyon would have taken someone living in the area for 50 to 60 years

22:10 prior to their ever being, and you know people back then didn't live that long. There had to have been someone because living there for 50 or 60 years minimum prior to these alignments being encoded into the structures because they mark and document things that only happen every once in a blue moon. Very rarely do these alignments actually happen so how was someone able to accurately know and predict these lunar alignments? And build them into this structure without living out there for at least 60 to 100 years. That's the thing about it to me that is fascinating, is that there was a high degree of knowledge and technology put into these things and today it still very relevant. Another thing I found in these ancient sites, and I've even found them locally here on other sites are

22:58 Well, the mathematics especially like with a lot of these sites in Ohio. There's one here not far from Rockwall there is a town here around Dallas called Flower Mound and I never thought for years it would have anything to do with this work and then I started looking into it and finding out wait a minute you know there was this giant mound here its 666 feet above sea level that got my attention because I started finding 666 in all ancient science build across the Ohio Valley. Now that doesn't have anything to do with the mark of the beast or anything like people think, but it goes back to the Babylonian numerical system that they numbered their gods in and 666 was a number that they attributed you to the Sun God so with these solar alignments in the sites and the connection back to be Babylonian numerical system and that's another thing Native Americans did not have knowledge

23:54 of the base 60 numerical system. It just wasn't anything that they had so again, that's when I knew that okay we were dealing with people who the evidence shows came from the ancient Middle East they had very sophisticated knowledge that in some cases goes beyond what we even have today and the evidence of their being here is scattered all across America So yeah That's really what the basis of both of those films The Lost Secrets is really all about Yeah, man. I love them and that is a thread and topic that I love when I see researchers digging in deep because growing up here in America, I would always hear about the Giza Plateau and be like oh my God! You know? I can't wait to be able to afford to go over there and see these things meanwhile

24:39 Things are all around us here in North America and they're just off the radar. And it's because they were built out of earth and things that may look more natural rather than the things that the Giza Plateau is built out of, but it doesn't mean that in the back of mall parking lots or underneath their construction there isn't some amazing things like right here in your own backyard to find Yeah, there's stuff. I mean there's stuff scattered all across the entire United States and there's been so much that's been covered up and stuff that's had lakes build on it And i mean we'll just never really uh We're really never really know how much is here But I think it's important to as you said You know keep digging taking those opportunities when we can

25:18 Amen, man. And it is a sad shame and injustice the fact that so much of it has been lost but to switch gears and do kind of 180 over the spellcasters I did love this film Of course there's going to be one and more to follow because it is so deep as well But you start that film with the question who runs Hollywood? You note that so many people in this alternative realm will just chalk up to The Jews But that really is a gross oversimplification. What can you tell us about the erection of Hollywood and some of the players involved in its infancy that you get into in this latest film? Well, yeah it's a great thing! That's one things I want to encourage people especially people out there who are researching this kind stuff on their own and doing their own homework into these that sometimes... In some cases yes, I'll give ya that. Sometimes some cases that we most obvious answer

26:14 is the true answer, but not in every case. And that's one of the things that I discovered with this is that if you look at who founded Hollywood unquestionably it was the founders of Hollywood were Jewish and their whole idea getting away from them because they found out when the motion pictures technology first started to develop they figured out that...and this is no joke and this is honest truth They started setting up what they called Nickelodeon's and back then Risk a pornography Was not a naked woman. It was a woman showing her bare ankles I mean that that was considered risk a filmmaking, but they start does it people would pay money upfront That's when they knew they were on to something like wait a minute We've got people who are lining up there paying money up front before receiving any product before they get anything so

27:06 We actually get their money and then what would it when they come in what they're shown could be. Total crap but i think that's kind of ironic because that's kinda what downloading and streaming is stuff is kinda killed within the movie industry and music industry its kill this whole thing where you get there money up front and then once they get into theater what are showing scrap Well then so what how we got your money it's kids killed that whole thing but that was the business model they started up with and really it was about being able to get away from having to pay royalty fees to the edison trust. For use of their cameras in a camera technology so they said well you know what we've got money, we've got other people were gonna do we're gonna go out here at west.

27:48 We're going to start our own studios and we'll be so far away from the east coast where the main movie industry at that point was headed in located. That will be able to basically do whatever you want out here, so it was set up with that spirit in the idea of basically going against the mainstream race started out as a very underground thing and was very independent until it started producing money and once I started producing money and then you had war or two happen And you start having a shift in balance of power across the board. The powers that be started to understand what a powerful manipulation tool

28:26 Coming electronic media at that time radio you had stuff like even the HG Wells War of the Worlds broadcast Which I could have put in there in the film and I really kind of forgot to that was kind of an early You know test to test really the response of the public in a kind of gauge And really, I think with the more. I look at it. I think it was really one of their earliest forms of psychological warfare You know I really think that's what it was and so once that power was seen on by the powers that be they started trying to get their hands on and that's what we discussed in the film, we show all of the connections. So what happened with Hollywood blacklist in 1947 and how that coincides with all these other insane events world changing events affect us this very day where power consolidation and the government ability to do whatever they want in secret without having tell the American public

29:15 All that stuff came together in 1947 and it also coincides exactly with the formation of Scientology, MKUltra and the rest of it. And yeah, you just touched on something I definitely wanted to ask you about because a real light bulb went off in my head. But when talking about something as big as Hollywood, I think skeptics to the idea that it's a highly controlled manipulation machine would say that it's just too big there's too many people involved now and all that stuff but they forget that many of the founding studios are still the biggest and there have been culling events that removed a lot of the filmmakers who weren't part of the larger agenda which is the real subtext to what you mentioned, The Red Scare Blacklisting saga right? Absolutely. And that's really where you get into the whole idea of why the perception

30:06 that Jews have run and still ran Hollywood with no other involvement. That's why that has come about because a lot of these guys, once Hollywood started being taken over in 1947 they kept their mouths shut. They were essentially given the ability to be able to be in power and be in charge over this while taking their marching orders and being told what to do by the federal government or whoever else at any time. This is really why after 1947 you start seeing the motion pictures and everything coming out starting to be more manipulative. And things where they were, you know these Jewish filmmakers were making films that were predominantly revolving around gung-ho go America patriotic ideas and by their own admission they were only doing this because they turned a profit that didn't care about those ideas and have want to put those out there but because these things are able turn a profit

30:56 This is why they got behind them and then this is mirrored in the modern day with script approval. And now the Pentagon, DOD giving certain films script approval and allowing their weaponry and technology and whatever it may be to be depicted in the films in exchange for final say for what goes into the content of the film that way if there's anything that they perceive as being too close to the truth or something that may expose Lot of the black ops and things that are going on then they get the final say to say no We're not gonna do that, and that's control I mean anytime you have any government agency That it has final say when dictates the content of a motion picture or TV show anything else? That by the direct definition of it is government control of that so I was just fascinated to see that

31:48 1947 was the establishment of the entire national security apparatus. It was set up and really modeled after a lot of the Nazis that were brought over, after Project Paperclip you had all these various people that were trying to lock down the power structure within the united states to give them total secrecy and be able operate with impunity and so it's just fascinating. Look at these players who were on the ground floor of the oss during the mk ultra people like summer redstone you know who was in the oss at the same time that, no one hubbard wasn't any start to see how later on these people became the biggest things in their particular field

32:33 But all started in nineteen forty seven during the time when the mind control and trying to not only control individuals and create willing slaves but also to manipulate and to create. A false narrative in reality for the entire world that everyone believes is real and thats i mean people talk about the matrix and things like that but long before there was. This idea of a digital control realm these people were setting up a control room where they create reality through television through movies, and then they do it such away with a get people to start to believe that that reality reflects a real reality and i think we've all been at some point probably taken by this

33:16 Mm-hmm. Absolutely, man it is a deep manipulation that has been engineered for a long time and so let's bring Scientology into the mix here. You know most people they know it's popular in Hollywood but I've typically just chalked it up to some new age cult for bored actors, but as is usually the case its a lot more than that can you tell us about the origins of Scientology and why we should really keep an eye on? Well as I mentioned it started out with L Ron Hubbard who was in the Navy and then right around the time that he Supposedly left he shifted into operations in the OSS the office of strategic services which predated the CIA and around that time right after project paperclip. The government became interested in creating what's it called?

34:05 What's on my control program that it had seen the nazis have success with so they started mining other was a former nazi scientist doctor strug hold who had conducted all these experiments in germany and they brought over after war two and then he started basically giving them all his information and they start trying to figure out how to create. truth serums they wanted drugs that basically could get a foreign enemy to give them any information and so after transitioning from the OSS l run hubbard was sent over to england. Because they had noticed that during a lot of these mind control elements and aspects that the Nazis have been working on, one of the things they were combining with this and had great success in combining with was the use of black magic. And incantations and things where they could put people in a certain state and then their mind control drugs or the ability to create what they call robot assassins

35:02 they have much stronger effect with the use of black magic so l run hovered at that time was sent over by the OSS to go to england. Do you infiltrate the crowley organizations out there currently working such as the o2o, take game this various magical knowledge that they could bring back and then use in what would eventually become the MKUltra Mind Control Program. And so while he was there, he did indeed befriend Aleister Crowley and Aleister Crowley gave him the magical initiate name Freighter H., and for many years people never knew who Freighter H. was until it was later revealed that it was L. Ron Hubbard but that was when he was instructed by Crowley in The Magical Arts and he was also told about this gentleman in Hollywood California

35:52 Would just set up the first branch of the oto in america there by the name of jack parsons who was trying to do this. Ritual this babylon working ritual in order to conjure the scarlet woman do all this was immediately got a run hover interested so, That was when he went back and met with Jack Parsons, who went on to form of course the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. He went on to create these elements that they still use today in solid rocket fuel boosters that are pentagram shaped and the pentagram shaping them actually allows the fuel to burn at a more efficient rate And they're still used in ICBM missiles and everything else to this day This is where L. Ron Hubbard started to see

36:35 Learned these magical arts you could combine them and use the phraseology And that's really what it boiled down to was the phraseology the speaking the cadence This was really the early days of what would become NLP Neuro linguistic programming which is also developed there with the MK ultra program so once this information was attained L Ron Hubbard in 1947 started to write a Based on what he had discovered from Alistair Crowley and his experiences with Jack Barks, they started to write what would eventually become Dianetics. And it's interesting that the way that his writings were set up for Dianetics are modeled almost word-for-word in some cases

37:17 to Alistair Crowley's own work and then some of the things in the very early MKUltra documents, there is stuff where L. Ron Hubbard took things that you can see in these MKUltra manuals that are in some cases are taken word for word where he didn't even change the wording they were exactly the same so once they started to figure out The information is far as black magic and be able to create. I control people really boils down to what his son described as a soul cracking yeah, That's really what it is all about, being able to use these techniques that open a person up and make them susceptible to control by these entities which seem to be demonic in nature. Scientology then calls thetans and tells its flock that they are dead alien souls who will give you money so you can help exorcise them from you but when reality is

38:13 is they're allowing their subconscious and conscious mind to be opened up. At each successive level you go up through the OT levels, you are opened up more and more control. And L Ron Hubbard's own quote was Scientology a very effective mind control system that would turn people into willing slaves could be deducted from Scientology. That was the entire point of it in his technology that he later used Invented also would go on to create the CIA remote viewing Technology in the early 1970s so all of this stuff, and I mean it's just mind-blowing We were only only scratching the surface here. I really want people to see the film because you know It's almost three hours And I'm certainly not going to give all the information away here in the interview But there's just more to it than I can tell you and I hope that people will definitely go and check it out

39:05 Absolutely i mean just seeing some of the footage itself that you have is worth the price of admission cuz u can talk about it all day but you gotta see some of this stuff and man i mean you really just. laid out the crux of it. So many people think of L Ron Hubbard as just some crazy sci-fi writer who came up with this idea for a money extracting religion, but when you get into these military connections he's sent to infiltrate the OTO seems like what you're saying is Scientology is this amalgamation, this branch of MKUltra that has structured like a magical secret society and

39:42 Just like what you said I mean and with the OTO. I've talked to people who have studied it in depth and some people who are even members of it, and they always talk about the goal is to strengthen the connection to the spirit world to communicate with entities but it seems like You know Scientology is some type of Trojan horse to get people involved and of course take all their money but at the same time yeah like you mentioned with each level your kind of manipulating peoples minds and bodies to be more open, to taking in entities. And that is provocative man it's very provocative. It also fascinating too that a lot of the original signatories on Scientology from its founding

40:26 You know even though l run hubbard had rules against people from the FBI CIA any sort of government outfit agencies going through Scientology training and or auditing sessions. Many of the signatories and the people who originally signed the incorporation papers for Scientology many of them there were current FBI. Current OSS I mean you had all sorts of people that were in these agencies from the very beginning and some of them became, I think it was one guy that became the first he was a very first number one OT level 7 which is one of highest that there is he was NSA agent

41:05 And even though the rules stated that no one could do this, of course they did it in secret. That goes back to a lot of these safe houses and these places where they were doing some of these... Well, they had various sites where they would tell the practitioners of Scientology that L. Ron Hubbard was going to write The Next Levels or whatever it may be. Oh he's going here and he'll transmit The next level to the other higher ups in Scientology from these locations, but essentially these locations were nothing more than fronts. And they were using all of the data and the knowledge that they had gotten from people in these auditing sessions

41:44 They were then selling this information off to the highest bidder, including the KGB and Russia in the heart of the Cold War. L Ron Hubbard and Scientology were using these safe houses to sell information and knowledge that they gleaned from their auditing to the highest bidders so when you start to look at those connections and connect back to some people in the modern day that have connections back to the KGB as well then you start to see this bigger picture that this is essentially just an espionage group That is basically using weaponized humans. Through the ability to be able to control them in their every thought and then of course as you mentioned the perfect front for all this, of course the perfect front that you have people.

42:27 Perceive what this thing actually is it's great to be just some kooky called started by a sci-fi writer that the front that is why it so perfect because when people don't go any farther than that. Just as we mentioned earlier what people just think oh well it's just the jesus control hollywood and they don't know any farther than that then you're able to keep that Perception of knowledge in a controlled way because people are only thinking well it's just this and nothing else so there's no reason to look into it that's where they get you and I think thats why they've gotten away with this for as long as they have. You mentioned thetans and for people who don't know Scientology all that well, thetans are what they call alien ghosts or it's a big part of their religion. Not ghosts but actual souls. Alien souls and which is really this is basically a code for demons right I mean that's your contention because they're not going to tell people hey let's open you up to demons so they made up a word to kind of put a different packaging on it

43:26 Yeah, absolutely. And it's amazing when you look at as you mentioned the OTO there earlier that was one of things for me four years from studying Freemasonry and looking at the different levels of Freemasonry specifically in Scottish Rite Masonry and how each successive level in Freemasonry is the same way Each successive level that you go up through masonry The rituals and what not are in the ritual books If you actually go through and read them, and I have that's what they are. They're these kind of a what's the word? I'm looking for their kinda like dressed up versions of these same sort of stories and these things where they do the same thing. Each successive level of Freemasonry opens up your soul to control, and eventually once you get to the highest levels supposedly your fully controlled by one of these entities. And the same thing with Scientology as well once you reach the highest OT levels You may just look at it appear to be just a normal regular person but this is where the completely

44:27 Thomas takeover by whatever these entities are the state and again come into play and this is not contested i mean a run over zone son we've got interviews in. Audio with him in the film where you know his very own sun says yeah absolutely scientology's actually based in black magic and it's all cracking is absolutely all about, Being able to open people up to control and my summation what worries me the most is. You know i see the argument you can make well if they want do that each other then whatever it's not my business, and i would agree but as you'll see when you watch my film what appears and worries me is that they wanna unleash this on everybody and they wanna do it in ways and make things where the ultimate goal is to have this

45:15 soul-cracking ability be able to be unleashed on people without them knowing at this point in order for them to be able to do this you've gotta go through these levels, you gotta go through the auditing, through the training. The ultimate goal is to be able to have maybe through technology I'm not really sure at this point but some sort of ability where they can do this and unleash it electronically whether it be from films internet or everything else and get this soul cracking to happen on a level where they don't even have to have people go through the various OT levels. And that's very scary. Yeah, it definitely is and In the film you talk about Scientology and its beliefs on aliens, and we just kind of talked about that little bit. That it's kind of coded language but this might get into kinda the disinfo elements or their larger agenda, their larger manipulations of culture but how does Scientology's beliefs on aliens relate to the way aliens are portrayed in Hollywood? And in general culture is there connection there? Are they trying to manipulate us to think a certain way

46:17 Well that was something i wasn't aware of until i got into this film some years ago somebody had said to me. Hey have you ever watched battlefield earth no i'm not watching how do you watch that crap is it you know, terrible i heard it was terrible and scientology when are gonna watch it and someone said oh no really you gotta watches and i'm like why won't i want to just what ok so i watch it and i was blown away i was waiting in this is This is taken verbatim absolutely from stuff like zachary sitchin and some of the ancient sumerian texas it was basically on a knock you wanna want. You got a race of aliens we're coming to earth mine for gold in the intergalactic mining company and basically enslave humans

47:07 And when I started putting together the connections to the CIA with L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology, and I started noticing in researching more you don't find see that's the thing is what people understand is there are many many people who become Scientologists and are Scientologist for decades years and years and years and unless they have the money to pay for the upper level OT auditing sessions They don't get this information the the xenon stuff in the space alien stubborn resident does not get introduced into the picture Until you reach the very upper echelon levels, you know We with the internet and whatnot in our modern day. We have a much larger grasp for this information than people did 15 20 years ago But you know

47:57 you know when people talk about oh Scientology is into aliens that's the thing they don't get into that till the very upper echelon levels and when you start getting up to those levels, thats when they start to talk about you being able to become once your Phaetons are at full operating procedure I suppose. You're basically have the ability to be able to manipulate what they call MEST. M-E-S-T Manor Energy Space and Time in any high level OT is given the information that essentially reads like the Sumerian story. You know, we were seeded by these extraterrestrials We have this power blah blah blah this that and the other but again only really a small percentage of Scientologists ever get to the information about the extraterrestrials in the aliens so when you look at how through the years aliens have been depicted as

48:56 as hostile and coming to earth due to wipe us all out and kill us. And then Scientology says, well no these other extraterrestrials came a long time ago and trapped these other ones here and they died and now their souls are in us and that's what causes our misery and this and the rest of it...and it kind of doesn't make sense because on the one end they tell you well it's these dead alien souls that cause all our misery activating them and making them active in you that's how we make you better. Wait a second here, something about that just doesn't sound right but it really was fascinating for me to see how the disinformation and how the scaremongering towards extraterrestrials specifically when you look at the fact that in 1947 was really when what kicked off UFO hysteria in this country and really kicked off the whole mass UFO sightings and how

49:53 directly correlates with the same year with bronze well within k ultra with elon hubbard first starting to write the scientology stuff all that's happening in the same year was not a coincidence and this really has become what i believe, the way for them to give us one narrative that we've all taken because for years you know this four years they told us that. UFOs aren't real aliens are real if you believe it all your cook and your nut and now over the past decade that shifted around. Another going out of their way through TV movie in the rest to try convince us that extraterrestrials are we so that's one of the fascinating things is that, you can see that for whatever reason why did that shift

50:34 Why do they spend those many, many years trying to convince us it wasn't real and now they're all about trying to get people through shows like Ancient Aliens and whatnot to believe these things are real? It's because they want to have a controlled rollout of this that will then help solidify the agenda for global control. Right and just like you mentioned ancient aliens right there in stitching a little earlier this to me was A real revelation because it explains why a major Network history channel owned by the same people who are you know? Manipulating culture, and don't have our best interest at heart. It explains Why they would push and show like ancient aliens so hard because clearly there is an agenda behind it And it seems like you're really nailing him

51:21 Yeah it really is all about being able to have the people believe that. The story i mean this really is mind blowing especially with a seven spell casters and i couldn't even really put into words when i first started realizing that okay i get this now, the knowledge that the powers of be have about extraterrestrials has been what they've been trying too Keep from us from all this time now apparently whatever Scientology knows. About extraterrestrials ties into that directly and I think we really started to see why from the very beginning Because L Ron really his work and all this stuff Started out strictly as his work for the government in the creation of these mind control things now once he had this knowledge And acquired this knowledge. That's when he starts a wait a second here, and that's what MK ultra and the levels of Crowley

52:18 OTO stuff and Scientology mesh all together. Because he was saying, well of course they're going to use it for this usage but I can use it for my own usage and that's when I started seeing that whatever these two entities know about extraterrestrials, they have a mutual beneficial interest in keeping the status quo of disinformation going as far as what it entails. And when you look at how Scientology views themselves... I mean they make people sign billion-year contracts where like your literally that means that you are tied to them through successive incarnations. So right there, beyond any shadow of a doubt you can see that they believe in the transmigration of souls and reincarnation. They believe that Scientologists are doing work

53:07 That is beneficial and necessary not just for earth but for the entire universe they believe themselves to be these constantly reincarnating individuals in that anybody who. Is against them or tries to stop them should be dealt with any mechanisms are usages that can be used against should be using is a very interesting interview with it's a famous you can go find on youtube one of the famous interviews with tom cruise and its like an internal scientology. Interview in this interview he says,

53:42 It's all about KSW man, KSW. It's all about KSW and you're like okay? So what does that mean he says keep Scientology working That's what the term means ksw means Keep Scientology work now one of these Crowley talked about is That he talks specifically about language in the use of language to have multiple meanings And how you would say a phrase into the profane it might mean one thing or another But to the magical initiate it means completely something different. That's what the KSW keep Scientology working He isn't just meaning keep it going and keep it active by saying keep Scientology working he is referring working as a Magical term that is used for magic in practice Just like we mentioned with L Ron Hubbard and Jack parts is doing the Babylon Working ritual by Tom Cruise they're saying

54:35 you know, we got a KSW keep Scientology working. He is literally saying we have to keep the black magic in practice and we have to keep it going and that's why they are now having these campaigns to sort of expose David Miscavige because they are literally going to bring Tom Cruise up as the titular head and hope say, well you know Scientology yeah it was bad we had bad people running for a while but it's good now and they want to merge all these different religious beliefs along with the stuff like Zacharias Sitchin and the idea of humans being seeded by extraterrestrials. This is how they want to bring Scientology in as the one world religion they wanna merge all these things together They wanna show the general public that we've been wrong about the ancient past We've been wrong about religion

55:26 and that Scientology is the only religion that reconciles both, and it's the reason why it makes sense. And Tom Cruise has now just recently in the past few months moved into the former headquarters of Scientology in England. L Ron Hubbard's former residence is now where Tom Cruise lives. That's interesting man, and yeah even if you're not even if you don't call yourself a Scientologist You're still absorbing a lot of their ideas that they're putting into your head through there are stranglehold on media and Let me take this to a weird place or try that maybe connect it to the stuff we were talking about earlier with the lost secrets of ancient America but when we're looking at these

56:08 mounds and stuff all around the world really often these alignments to star systems in particular a lot of them are aligned to Orion and Just as Scientology seems to be obsessed with manifesting spirits And opening doorways here on the physical plane or within physical bodies you can almost make the case that these ancient cultures were going the other way and somehow trying to transport themselves through some type of gateway or portal up into the stars, whether consciousness or in a physical way. Do you see any parallels here? Do you see any indications that they might have been successful in doing something like that or that there might be an underlying theme that connects these two subjects?" Well it is interesting and I'm not really for sure...I don't know if I've come to the point yet where I could effectively

56:56 put a connection between those two subjects. But I will say this, in a lot of the ancient sites that i've visited across the United States specifically at places like Moundville and Alabama one of the things that was fascinating to find is how a lot of these sites are built to mirror what is talked about in the ancient Tibetan Book of the Dead and the Egyptian Book of the Dead and that is this process...and also in The Emerald Tablets of Thoth is the process of essentially being able incarnate in various existences and forms essentially at will. Now this is what you find in the heart of Freemasonry as well, and also the Rosicrucians' idea of the ability to transcend the death of a physical body and incarnate in another physical body at will. This knowledge

57:50 encoded into a lot of the ancient sites like Moundville in Alabama, and it shows that the people who built these things would have had to have knowledge that went back to the Ancient Babylonians, the Ancient Sumerians as well as the alignments to the Denim Portal. And yes supposedly these different alignments to these different sites when you are at the site when these alignments happen supposedly that's conditions are right for these portals to open where entities can travel back and forth from the locations say the den of portal denim star system to earth when these alignments happen now as you mentioned.

58:28 the idea of well specifically at Malibu Alabama they had something like five thousand people building this ancient site for you know who I have many years and then all the people who built it disappeared disappeared off the face of the planet no remains were ever found nothing these these people have and they were just never quoted by the people time as just having disappeared so it makes you wonder did day Go through one of these portals or whatnot and you mentioned something of bringing stuff in instead of going back out I think we're almost talking about two different things. One, I think is the ability to be able to Transcend the death of the physical body and incarnate in another material body at will but what's different about that from Scientology? Is it Scientology is not talking about?

59:17 doing this through multiple incarnations, it's strictly about the current incarnation being controlled by something outside of itself. Now could that mean that at some point these two things could reconcile and they could have something to do with each other? Absolutely, but I don't know that we've gotten to the point yet where we can say that's absolutely the case. But it is a fascinating connection Greg, I never really thought about it like that. Well its just funny because in our typical mainstream culture nobody's talking about portals or what seems like almost teleportation on an intergalactic scale but the ancients seemed to be at least

59:56 have these kind of belief systems and then covertly we're hearing things like in our modern times where these secret groups and black magic groups are also kind of working in that same wheelhouse even if their agendas and motivations are different you know it even comes up with some researchers talking about deep level science projects like CERN and the Large Hadron Collider, you know the idea that they're trying to open up some type of portal that has more nefarious agendas behind it than just colliding some particles. And they have these ritual workings in front of their facility with the whole Shiva statue and the weird things you can see there. So there's definitely strange elements to secret government projects, to religions that are Trojan horses for demon possession

1:00:41 And, you know I don't think the ancient stuff is nearly as nefarious as what we're experiencing now but it is involving the same type of stuff. It's just kind of strange Well I think what it is that people see this in the spoke after that's kind of where the stuff where i was connecting the scientology and CIA stuff to the truth movement and disinformation agents that's kinda where that comes into play because I think a lot of this stuff as you're talking about the people have gotten onto is really indeed what they're trying to cover up yeah why do you see certain figureheads and certain people who won't talk about those subjects at all and never bring them up because that does get into that. And I'm working on, uh...I hope to have it if we can get all the funding that we need to-to get it done by next year That's one of things I'm going to discuss in Lost Secrets of Ancient America Volume 3 is because I've actually gone out and documented

1:01:32 Stargate's and locations of stargates across the United States, and I'm going to be revealing. I don't want to give it away here now But I will be revealing in that film the evidence that we found for one of these massive star gates being here in the United States And a massive structure being built on top of her to cover up a few They've hinted about it in Hollywood movies as well. And there's all sorts of iconography and things that surround this, and it appears to me that yes there is one of these ancient portals here in the United States. Again a lot of this stuff has been disinformation and what not has been put out to cover these things up because they at some point

1:02:15 are planning on using these things now whether that's some people speculate some people think well they want to open up these ancient portal because they wanna bring you on a knock back through to come rule over all those things are speculative at this point but again when you look at what they're trying to get us to believe Versus what they are trying to downplay and the things that try to tell say or cookie crazy in probably not real. And then you over here when your saying that's cooking crazy but yet, you're trying to get me to believe little green men are coming this come to stick things up a butt while i'm asleep you know i mean those of the things where you start to see wait a minute.

1:02:50 They're trying to get me to believe, not believe things that are plausible and then the implausible things are things that have been shoved down our throat through shows like Ancient Aliens and the rest of it. So I think people eventually are going to figure this stuff out And you know this stuff is not gonna have as much of an effect on people as its had up until the present time mm-hmm Well man, that pretty much does it. Fascinating stuff and we definitely left a lot on the table for people to discover when they see the Spellcasters films and other ones Before we go please remind people where they can watch your films and support that independent work you're doing so well Absolutely Greg thank you so much I appreciate the opportunity to come out with you today man will definitely want to do another show with you in the future Please let me know if there's other films of mine that you haven't seen

1:03:35 or whatever and you want me to send you some stuff over, I have no problem doing that. People can go there to my website we've got a download shop there's lots of audio books in there that i've done that people can download all my films are there We've got DVDs and Blu-rays for sale but also as you mentioned My work is 100% when we get no outside funding we don't get Fox News checks neither does Greg So, you know all our films are all funded by you the listener and people out there I mean right now we're only trying to raise $1800 just so we can get out spellcasters volume 2 before the end of the year and not very many people can make a documentary on such a low budget. And that's because I do all the elements of this from the researching, the writing even to the composing of the music and editing and everything. So yeah you know just going in getting some downloads and making a donation for our work on our film so we can continue would be a big help for people out there. Thanks again Greg! I really appreciate having me today. You got it and thank you man. We will have to do it again but until then just keep doing what you do. Absolutely. Alright take care

1:04:35 Wow, now that is a solid round of conspiracy goodness. Big thanks to Josh Reeves! He really knows his stuff. Scientology of course pops up here and there but it's never really been the focus of a THC episode largely because I find it silly but maybe how was naive clearly it seems that I was The Plus Show here does get pretty wild and honestly this isn't something that I really thought about when starting THC+, but even the $5 paywall is good sometimes if you want to talk about something to more of a closed group rather than it just being out there for anyone to grab and share around, and start trouble with.

1:05:15 If you heard the second hour, you probably know what I'm talking about here. But several alternative researchers and personalities get called out for being agents of the Scientology machine including one guy I kinda like And my attitude is look...I had Josh here to talk about the Spellcasters and that is a big part of it but each person, each listener has to decide how big a deal links to Scientology are for them To do that, you probably need to know more about the organization. I think Josh makes a really great case for this group going very deep. If those handwriting analysis tests are legit and L Ron Hubbard actually wrote letters the authorities attributed to Lee Harvey Oswald and then one of these agents of Scientology writes THE book on JFK conspiracies turning everyone's focus somewhere else… well that is worth paying attention too!

1:06:08 But regardless, I love the topics of this show. We spent a good deal talking about the rock wall in Rockwall Texas which is just fascinating and then all the content of the spellcasters i mean we've talked about L Ron Hubbard and his attempts to create a homunculus moon child with Jack Parsons but to say that Scientology is a cult built on opening up individuals to demon possession I mean that goes deep and that is interesting right? I loved it. And the second hour is even juicier, please sign up for THC plus so I can afford more bars on my windows bigger locks on my doors and more drugs to deal with this Rockefeller Rothschild prison planet as best I can! No I'm like 40% joking on that but do remember if you go to the new

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