Jordan Schachtel | Power Grab Policy, The Control Virus, & The Dark Winter Approaching

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00:54 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a- I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Let's go Brandon from sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and lately all i really need from the rest of the world to feel better is a sincere apology to the conspiracy community about pretty much everything

01:35 The incremental implementation of an overarching one-world godlike government? Check. Completely captured regulatory agencies that aren't doing much more than play acting? Check A manipulative media coordinating with the big machine rather than asking any critical questions of it? Check A too close for comfort relationship between the billionaire class and organized child trafficking? Check that box, too! And a list goes on I would say we've been proven right about most things, right on up to lizard people. And even there the jury's still out But the global parasite class has played their hand pushing forth in full court press fashion and hoping that they're so swift That you don't pay much attention to the details or notice the giant cracks in the mono-narrative logic along the way

02:24 Well, luckily some people do still notice and have the guts to say something about it. Despite the censorship campaign and the cancellation climate And one of those very important people is independent investigative journalist Jordan Shachtell His podcast and sub stack newsletter both titled The Dossier Have been making all the right calls throughout the last year-and-a-half An he's now making content on Rockfin as well His work lately has largely focused on the real threat, the global pandemic of authoritarianism. And that sounds like the right call to me! It's a pleasure to have him here he watches The Watchman reads between the lines and dares to tell the truth in our troubled times Jordan welcome to The Higher Side

03:06 Thanks for that amazing introduction, Greg. That might have been the number one intro I've ever received so Wow wow I appreciate that and you deserve it man thanks for doing this your work has been really on point through the COVID era and while some people might just be starting to come around I think you've been way ahead of the game and a lot of your colleagues too It is a huge and control grab based on a really aggressive campaign of fear. I know you were a journalist before this, obviously but I learned about your work through all this and it's just been great for people who are just now being introduced how would you describe the perspective you've had through the whole COVID narrative? And what were some of the first red flags you saw that this was not exactly what it seemed to be

03:58 Yeah, so I came at this from an interesting perspective. My academic studies were in international affairs and foreign policy. And I was a reporter for a little bit before I started all my own stuff with my podcast. But I kind of just took, I don't want to say a global perspective because that implies a lot. But you know, I was always very fascinated by what's going on in the world around me as opposed to just in my local community which is fine to have that perspective and I encourage people to have more localized perspectives

04:39 And then I was also, you know...I kind of had a personal interest in dystopian film and books especially on the fiction side. Yeah, it's kind of turned into a nonfiction environment. But when this whole stuff started out in Wuhan China all these crazy news stories about this new virus and people dropping in the streets and you know China was like spraying disinfectant over the streets And I was just trying to get a sense of what was going on So I started investigating this COVID stuff by reading these source materials kind of like pandemic playbook stuff

05:20 from whether it's the CDC, WHO. Like what happens in the event of something like this where they say there is a highly transmissible new virus? And the most interesting thing I found was that these guidelines that they laid out none of these governments well China in the beginning wasn't following any of these guidelines by locking down healthy people by spraying the streets with chemicals Just nothing seemed to make sense. But what I noticed is that this media narrative about these lockdowns and these restrictions caught on, they started declaring it science and you know myself and a few others questioned it based on this basis like what do you mean its science?

06:08 Where is the evidence that any of this stuff is part of reacting to the spread of infectious disease? And we challenged it from the very beginning and basically Sadly, I think the vast majority of people in the media basically labeled my crowd as akin to bioterrorists for simply questioning the fact that these governments were shutting down their entire societies through force. To attempt to stop a virus and as the last two years have shown us None of this stuff that they did worked to entertain any type of positive health outcomes. So in the end, we were right and I wish that more people... This is an ongoing

06:56 crisis of authoritarianism. And I think that at least, I see a lot of good energy on the counter narrative you know the counter revolution side where people are really starting to be fed up they're starting to have an extremely healthy distrust in our institutions particularly in United States The media, the government has really shown their cards and they I think miscalculated in the idea that they don't think there's going to be a counter movement but it is very clear you're seeing it.

07:32 especially what's very interesting that I've been following in the last couple days has been this whole Southwest Airlines debacle where it seems like the pilots are kind of fed up and there is a lot of brave people that are finally stepping out from their shadows and making their voices heard on this. Yes, that is great summary I hope you're right. Sometimes, I just don't know. I think I might be too far down the rabbit hole The algorithms might have me in too much of a conspiracy bubble for me to properly assess what regular people are thinking But yeah things like Southwest and what's going on there definitely indicate that maybe this is a wider problem Of course they just say that the flights are grounded because of poor weather and technical issues And they'll say anything they can except

08:20 that the mandates have caused the pilots to not wanna go to work and they're not gonna put up with it because that story just can't get out even though its seeming more obvious with each hour that i see something new on this I am curious though how you would compare your pre and post COVID career. Has it affected the way that you operate? Have you seen this critical coverage affect your popularity in a positive or negative way, have there been any consequences or not so much? Well early on I always worked in right of center, in the right of center media world. So if it was someone in the legacy media they certainly would have gotten rid of me real fast but early on when I was speaking out against this you'd be shocked maybe you had similar circumstances but even people that I had considered friends were like attacking me online and I was like you know I'm just questioning what the government is saying about this thing

09:25 They convinced the masses that this was a life or death situation and there was no time to question authority. So it really works to manipulate people, and what I did find is that living through this pandemic mania stuff I think you learn a lot about human nature and unfortunately it went to show that people can very easily be manipulated through the form of a perceived crisis. And it was extremely effective, you kind of wonder because

10:05 I'm 32, yeah. I was born in 1989. Never really lived through in the United States a crisis that you saw in like Nazi Germany or in the Soviet Union where there was imminent crises happening and you wonder how so much of the population can be manipulated into these awful ideologies and that was kind of my experience covering this stuff is Sadly, I wouldn't say that history repeats itself but there's just something about human nature where people get into a collective group and just embrace this toxic government manipulation campaigns and accept the authoritarianism as if the government is somehow looking out for their health. And it never made sense to me. I think that some of the best people reacting to this were the libertarian folks

11:03 who are kind of the most principled on this, but a lot of people if you weren't grounded in any kind of like firm ideological embrace of freedom I'd say that most people just accepted the totalitarianism as if like the government had the right to just run roughshod over all of our rights. Yeah, it's interesting to see how people have been affected. I mean we cast a pretty wide net as a podcast UFOs the occult permaculture Bigfoot People might listen because they like that stuff and not so much the conspiracy or political stuff But i'd say we've lost a surprisingly small number of people and that's a beautiful thing considering how polarizing this is How many people are responding out of fear? And

11:53 I guess, I'm thankful for that because we are kind of out there with this minority opinion that yes. I hope people are waking up to but it's just so tough to say and when it comes to the latest threads in the whole saga, I wanted to ask you about Biden's $3.5 trillion bill back tax plan as you call it the we will own nothing and be happy tax plan. And we know that terminology from the World Economic Forum, we also know that we saw Nancy Pelosi's version of the first COVID relief bill have language in it for a central bank digital currency. So you can learn a lot from what they try to get into these big packages, what have you seen in this proposed spending plan that supports that overarching You Will Own Nothing and Like It plan of theirs? Yeah, it's difficult for me to strategically

12:50 discuss whether I want the government to just bankrupt the country and so we can get over with the fiat collapse or try to get some sense of fiscal responsibility, advocate for fiscal responsibility in DC. Especially I think Pelosi just mentioned this today again, one of the most threatening things of this gigantic bill is that they want to empower the IRS by allowing the institution to check Well, mandating that these financial institutions report every transaction to them that anyone has made through their bank of $600 or more. And in a world of... well in a country with skyrocketing inflation that almost applies to like in a year that might be like the average cost of shoes the way we're going. So they want to and this package involves I think they're giving close

13:49 close to like a hundred, they want to give like close 100 billion dollars the IRS so you'll have one IRS agent for every American citizen that doesn't conform to the regime's demands and that's a very scary place to be in. The idea that they think that some are delusional enough to think that they're just going to print their way out of inflation and that's just not the way economics functionally operates...I think it's It is aster in the making but sadly the opposition to it three point five trillion spending bill washington dc. Is an accommodation in the form of maybe like two trillion dollars spending bills so its one bad solution,

14:36 I think Michael Malice, the famous libertarian said that these Republicans are basically something along the lines of it's progressivism driving the speed limit. So we're still going... they're still on the road to collapse just a slower road to collapse so for me i try to urge people that they shouldn't feel like it's patriotic to stay attached to the dollar whatever way you can find to protect your assets. You have to really do that in today's economy, a lot of people like Bitcoin and some people like gold. Some people want to invest in real estate because of all this rapid inflation the idea that you need to stay loyal to the US dollar and keep it in a bank account. A lot of people are going end up going broke and unhappy and the government is destroying the middle class in America

15:32 The road is not feasible. So people really need to do their own research and stop letting the government determine your future well said, and when it comes to these two spending bills that does seem like a lesser of two evils false choice once again And I jotted this down while listening to you cover this on your podcast but it's $79 billion dollars that they're wanting for the IRS when I heard that number, these numbers are always so crazy. I was curious well how does that compare to the usual IRS budget? And it says IRS's actual expenditures were 12.3 billion for overall operations in 2020 up from about 11.8 billion in 2019. So from the neighborhood of 12 to 13 billion shooting up to 79 billion

16:28 I mean, wow. That clearly does indicate a giant change in how they plan to operate and that is pretty scary Yeah, it's nothing more than a giant financial surveillance tool. And I also talked about this on my podcast that it's not like they're trying to enforce some kind of law. The problem is that there are so many laws on the books that if you assign a team of IRS agents to someone who has been an outstanding moral citizen and and has run what they thought was a very clean business, they'll find something. It's almost inevitable at this point that if they want to surveil you and they keep track of every single transaction that you're making every phone call every email every interaction with regulatory agencies They'll find something there are so many laws in the books So I think it's nothing more than just when you're giving them as much money for IRS You're just empowering the governing regime Mm-hmm

17:30 Well said and you mentioned a fiat collapse coming and I am curious your thoughts on that. You do note in that podcast episode that 40% of all dollars in circulation were printed in the last 18 months? That is a mind-blowing statistic! How soon do you expect there to be something in the way of either insane inflation or a dollar collapse? I mean, how bad would you expect that to be and when would you expect people to really start to feel that. Yeah, I think people are already feeling it now. I just took a stroll through CVS this morning to pick up some stuff and I live in South Florida but I don't live in like some high end community

18:17 where everything's like upcharge, like in Manhattan or something like that. Or the best place Miami I was looking at prices and they had gone up significantly in the last couple months. You have like Old Spice body wash for over 10 bucks now, it's just insane inflation and even if you go to the supermarket now you'll find that beef steak anything like that is just off the charts, the pricing and you're already starting to see the inflation due to the money printing It's tough to tell if there's going some type of like big collapse because the Fed has so much money on its balance sheet to pump into the economy if necessary. But the fact that they're printing so much now, you have to wonder what was the inflation since the beginning of the COVID stuff? Is it what the government is saying and around 10% or is it closer to like 30%, 40%. On some items that's very consistent

19:21 So imagine if we're printing this money for the next couple of years and you have like this compounding effect so it goes 40 percent over 18 months and then the next 12 months or forty percent in the next six months are forty percent. Then before you know it you paying a hundred dollars for your burger right so it's just one of those things that you might just wake up one day and be like oh shit, You might have a million dollars in the bank, but your million dollars because of all the money printing. Your 2019 million dollars might only be worth like $190,000 in 2023 if they continue with the insanity. But there's also the possibility that things might get out of control entirely and that just I guess remains to be seen. Yeah man just scary times and you mentioned

20:12 asset protection and crypto in real estate, which is funny because those are the exact examples I was going to use in this next question. But you mentioned this plan to tax unrealized investment gains, which to me is an attack on crypto and homeowners. So many regular people right now have probably never seen much return on anything except if they were lucky enough to get into crypto or have a house because the housing market has been so good. So maybe they're lucky enough to have some net value in one of those two places, but to tax a person before they sell the asset on the potential for again that is next level crazy like we've never seen right?

21:00 Right and that's only possible if you pass these type of bills in Congress and give the government these surveillance tools to Look into or to have an institution like Robin Hood or Fidelity Mandated to report to the government if you're going like let's say you bought Tesla stock at the right time They have to alert the government. If you're like 9x on your investment, even if you haven't sold it That's such a crazy tax Janet Yellen's in favor of it though and it seems that the people in power are salivating at the idea of being able to do that. But again, you know people are struggling so much right now and It's sad I get a lot of emails from people who read my work and just talking about their lives And you get this sense

21:50 There's a lot of people living paycheck to paycheck. And I'd say that the tax on unrealized gains, that's a huge problem but those are for the people who actually have the income to be able to invest there's also a lot of people who are still stuck in a system where they don't have the capacity to really put much money away so this is like the real evil of inflation is that they're just if they Increase their income substantially they're stuck in the system where there's getting slowly poor and poorer but selling to feed a family so into work that's how reckless are governing. Regime is right now that they're just sending people into poverty with all this money printing all this financial surveillance and. Is making it more more difficult for people to reach that what used to be referred to as the american dream we have some stability and

22:46 you're able to take your family on vacation and not have to go broke but your kids through college that dream seems to be getting further and further away from us as the government becomes more and more reckless. Yes it's true and people out there are, more willing to take a chance on aboard a bennett rather than invest in their company for one k plan and that is kinda scary because peoples mindset is just like well anything Traditional or institutional isn't gonna work so let me really gamble because i'm looking for that ten x and it just doesn't exist for people in my position except for maybe this board a thing, add you know part of me. Enjoys watching that but its also really sad the mindset that gets a person to that particular place but

23:38 Another aspect of this tax plan, maybe even both tax plans is the prospect of a per mile travel tax. This is a big deal because it would hurt people who drive to work again It's like these mechanisms of incentive they want you to stay home in that self-imprisoned Position and just work through the computer and then also this would be a tax on the supply chain and truckers an anyone traveling across the country it just seems like. Again kinda like what you said in the beginning every button they could push or lever they could pull that makes things worse, there trying to pull it their trying to push it and this is another example of that isn't right if reminds me of

24:28 In a lot of Western Europe, there are... A lot of countries in Western Europe they want to discourage people from living out in the suburbs out in the countryside. So what you find is like, you know, the cities are highly populated and you leave the cities get on a train somewhere and like there's all this countryside that's just totally abandoned And they're creating these same incentives in America I think it's just more control over the citizen They call part of this climate agenda. They say they're very concerned with the climate, but then again they allow themselves to fly... All these members of Congress are flying in and out every weekend The ones that are considered more of a big deal will get on the private jets you know the Pelosi's of the world So the idea they want attacks people that actually need to commute to work it seems very disingenuous at the very least

25:23 The idea that you're committing some kind of evil deed by deciding to want to live in a residential home so you can commute to work. This whole bill is just filled with one power grab after another, and this is definitely one of the big ones." Yeah that's a great point to it like if you have to drive to work well now you better move into the city and short your commute because, you can't afford not to and it just another one of those little incremental things in they definitely are trying to. Huddle us into these smart cities as best they can

25:59 And let me ask you about big incentives for green energy. Obviously, this is another one of the big agendas that's kind of not getting as much attention as COVID but it seems to be merging as well. But have you seen anything related to green energy and noteworthy moves in that direction that also take us down that path of the climate agenda? Right. I think that they run in parallel to each other, this whole what they refer to as the Build Back Better campaign. One of the fundamental platforms with that campaign is this whole thing where the earth is dying and we need to stop breathing basically in order to... They're trying to position

26:42 the climate crisis as like, the big crisis now as opposed to COVID. I just saw these US politicians—I forgot which ones they were but i just saw a clip this morning and they were basically saying oh you think that COVID was bad? Wait till the climate crisis gets out of control and then... Of course there's no specifics so you ask them okay so what's the climate crisis and what can we do about it what are these statistics that show there's a climate crisis? And they'll never really show you statistic, but they'll tell you contribute to carbon. Like all of these kind of like scammy programs like this ESG stuff and this carbon credits that are just enriching certain people in certain industries. They'll tell you to contribute to that and that's how you solve the carbon climate crisis. You can buy up carbon credits it's just so ridiculously absurd

27:35 It's just one more tool to get people to embrace having the government control every single aspect of their lives. This like scorched earth mentality that never applies to the elites, it's only the everyday person who needs to work the nine-to-five they need to sacrifice but a guy like John Kerry, the Biden administration's climate czar and it's kind of fascinating they find the same people for all these jobs It's like the third Obama term, basically. That John Kerry is flying around telling people that they need to take seriously the threat posed by climate change while he's private jetting throughout the world and the hypocrisy is on display but at this point they're almost flaunting the hypocrisy I don't buy it that they're genuine about this stuff for a second

28:30 I'm right there with you yet taking private jets to climate summits having these nine thousand square foot homes. There's completely hypocritical it's about control just like covid it's not about keeping you safe it's about control but, i like that you mentioned the esg thing adam curry has been talking about this and an investment sense for people who don't know that publicly traded companies are now getting these ESG scores for their wokeness. ESG stands for environmental, social and corporate governance if your company has a low ESG score investors and advertisers will flow to accompany with a better score

29:09 because there's these watchdog agencies out there that are like, well look at this guy. He invested in a bad company they have a low score and it's crazy but if you don't play ball then you're going to weaken the flow of capital into your company cause investment firms don't want the headache and I also just noticed something else this morning when i was scoping out Amazon to check on potential supply shortages of household items while I notice they now have green label where certain things are marked as climate pledge friendly and when you click on that and it describes what that little emblem is for, it says Climate Change Friendly uses sustainability certifications to highlight products that support our commitment to help preserve the natural world because time is fleeting. And clearly this is another step towards

30:02 You should buy these things over those things which is not far from you can only by these things and not those things and it's just a scary. Totalitarian tiptoe towards that world the people been warning about the thing is just they slowly built up position that day of, become a middleman in financial transactions and they're just basically like raising the cost of doing business, but it's the ESG. It's become like a club or a cult where you need to accommodate or buy them off essentially to do business in these major financial institutions and it is utterly ridiculous I would definitely recommend for your listeners

30:48 Alex Epstein's The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels is an excellent book that really breaks down the far left so-called climate agenda operates and how there is no real sense that they even know you can't run an entire nation on solar or wind energy, it's such a small component of the grid. It's actually very unreliable people are like living in fantasy land and these are the same people that will reject nuclear energy so they set these unachievable goals but the people who really know I think are just wanting to, like these ESG people want to take a cut and wants to make sure that only people who are ideologically compliant with ESG can remain successful.

31:34 Yeah, I struggle to know what to think about certain energy sources because of course nuclear there aren't a lot of disasters but when there is one it's pretty bad and you're talking to a guy who lives in San Diego so we just had this big oil spill along the west coast as coming all the way down here and that's really shitty but there are things like title energy and geothermal energy that Really i haven't heard any true criticisms on and it just seems like their priority is to push us towards things that are meter of all and controllable and they don't really care about what's better for the environment that's not the issue that's just a cover story so its more about how can we shut you on and off if we want i just saw another article that came out npr four five friends mine sent me so clearly was in everybody's algorithm

32:28 but it was about how we really need to get rid of these gas stoves. They say 35% of gas stoves or stoves out there are still gas and it's very dangerous and it's killing people, and it's bad for your children." And it's like yeah well electric stoves are less secure if you wanna cook food and be connected to the grid in that same way so it just seems like across the board it's that push to metered surveilled processes and nothing that really is truly long lasting or beneficial to large scale communities. Yeah, from my perspective

33:08 I'm very much on the liberty-leaning side of things. And it goes to show that when the government gets involved in trying to regulate electricity, President Trump famously talked about how the light bulbs and shower heads he was campaigning kind of jokingly but half serious on the fact that there's no shower pressure anymore and that our ovens are taking too long to cook, and new washing machines don't work because there's all these ESG compliant energy efficiency standards. And for me it just shows that when the government is trying to get involved in regulating our lives they end up destroying them

33:50 Right, I agree with that and they definitely have different motivations too. And let me ask you about the Facebook whistleblower story because i haven't actually talked about it with anyone here but it is just so clearly a plant real whistleblowers have to flee the country they don't get 60 minute specials blue check marks on social media or red carpet rolled out for them in Washington DC But what would you say the point of it really was? Why push such a plant forward to the main stage right now. It's hard to tell, what I think is that and this is just my speculation well To be clear I believe that she's a totally phony whistleblower and You could tell by the PR campaign

34:36 I think Edward Snowden is the example of what happens to a true whistleblower. You end up having your passport deleted and the government's hunting you down, someone like Julian Assange too even though he's not an American citizen or Ross Ulbricht who is still in jail for the crime creating marketplace but the Facebook whistleblower...I think it's a campaign and I'm not sure who are people that specifically find it Certainly with the consent of the government, the ruling regime. She's like very much part of this regime narrative that social media needs to be more regulated

35:16 And I think Facebook, they significantly accommodate the government's requests. But for them it is still not enough. It reminds me of how China deals...China already has a significant stake in almost every corporation like Alibaba and WeChat that kind of stuff. The Chinese government has a lot overarching authority over how they monitor the communications on these platforms, but they still want more. And I think that this is what the whistleblower is trying to accomplish. They want Facebook even more tightly secured to the government's agenda. They don't want any separation there so while

35:59 conservatives think that Facebook is like, you know Mark Zuckerberg is just this big D platformer which is mostly true and the company is now a force for censorship. I think what the left thing not really the left but the ruling class in the United States especially the federal government they do not want Facebook to have the autonomy that they still have so they're using I think this whistleblower chip away at what's left of Facebook's independence from government oversight. I agree with you and i had this quote down that you had written, the facebook whistleblower is such an obvious fraud her advocates know that we know that she's a fraud they are hell-bent on imposing a complete censorship regime on us but they have miscalculated The one party system will not prevail in the long run

36:54 And that's well said. They might not prevail in the long run, but they're getting close enough to make me nervous and some are even suggesting the Green Pass or COVID pass could be implemented to access the internet most likely after a major outage that they would blame on a solar flare or something headlines are already priming us for that too Klaus Schwab has called for a citizenship of the internet and warned of a cyber pandemic It does seem like a bridge too far to actually get us to that point of login with something like an ID card, but the idea is in the air. What do you think? It's hard to take anything off the table nowadays if you were to talk to me a few years ago I would think oh it's too much The government would never try something like this or these international forces

37:46 like the World Economic Forum and these big institutions that have a lot of sway, these UN-attached institutions. You can't write anything off anymore and it's one of the big lessons that I've learned since COVID-19 stuff started to happen is Especially, you know when you're looking at what's going on with this White House and you hear that Biden like had a set created for him. There's all this fake stuff going on and Kamala Harris was supposedly showing children around the White House And even those children apparently had to audition for the role So you never know what's real and what's fake With what's going on with all these plans that they have I remember during President Trump's tenure

38:34 If you can get to the standard where you have the FBI operating as this agency that wants to essentially launch a coup against sitting president of United States and spy on them, no plan is really out-of-bounds at that point when you reject the mandate of the people and decide that as the government security apparatus should be able to rule American citizens. I can't discount anything. If the government isn't showing me evidence, i'm not going to just blindly believe anything anymore. I guess I could leave it at that Right, right. Man I really do like that Trump left the Paris Climate Agreement and I like the language he used around COVID him saying that Biden wore the biggest mask you've ever seen might be my highlight of the whole four years but man I wish she would have fired Fauci or done something to push back The Big Pharma overreach it just seems like He really could have done more there if you ask me I agree with you

39:37 Well, I think that it's fair to defend him as a businessman. It's very important when you're supporting future candidates for political office need to know where their motives lie having spent a lot of time in Washington DC. I think the vast majority of politicians including people who run for president, their impulse is they just want to have power over you so i think that there are some exceptional figures like Senator Rand Paul or Thomas Massey a great congressman. I think if you want to change the system people need to be elected whose first principle is to defend your rights and I don't think that Donald Trump was in that category So when he was presented with solutions like when they started with the 15 days to stop the spread He didn't really see that as alarming because his perspective was not

40:38 aligned correctly on protecting people's rights. And you're right, he did give Fauci and Deborah Birx the keys for the castle for too long and I certainly criticized him for that but again these institutions have a lot of power and it's very difficult even to combat them even if you're president of the United States unfortunately So it leads to a greater conversation about how do we want to engage with this system moving forward. Yeah, you're right there's a lot of nuance there for sure but

41:15 with all the criticisms I had. It's hard to not want to go back right now, given the first year of the Biden presidency we're not even through it and it's just been so crazy but we are recording this on October 12th and it probably won't be up for a week but there's a lot of talk about the October 15th date various industries going to strike over the mandates. We saw it happen with Southwest like we talked about, I was literally just in Huntington Beach yesterday and saw all the ships backed up just floating in the ocean they say there's over 500,000 shipping containers on over 200 barges that just can't pull into port

41:59 I'm also hearing that Amtrak employees are primed to strike, dock workers truckers. It's hard to know what's hype and what's actually going to come to fruition but What are you seeing when it comes to real resistance of the mandates and worker shortages now or in the near future? I'd like to see more. I'll start with that because you're right, you know? You hear these news reports and then you hear from the commentariat class on Twitter and other social media sites you kind of wonder like how much of this is actually legitimate. I'd love to see more people come out against the mandates, but what i've seen sadly is that these corporations even if they're not mandates even if the Biden administration is issuing guidelines like that 100 employee rule that you need to give them the shots a few hundred employees or more and they never really established a legal framework for it but these corporations just accepted it for whatever reason because I think there just wasn't enough pushback

42:58 And you mentioned the barge issue. That's kind of fascinating and I think that story should be in the news every single day because you have like food spoiling, items going bad... Talk about supply chain issues! That's just unbelievable that there are ships out there and not enough people to unload them so if there is an issue at this starting point at the port imagine what the rest of the supply chain is looking like It's definitely not a sign of good things to come. It's tough because when those types of people strike, it might create even bigger problems in the United States but you know I'm just not seeing it yet. I'm not seeing enough evidence to confidently say that these industries are revolting against the government. I don't see the evidence for that right now hopefully soon

43:52 Yeah sadly I'm right there with you and when i hear the news talk about. The supply chain and the ships backed up they try to dismiss it as well looks like they'll be less plastic stuff to buy for christmas, And it's like well there's a lot of stuff on those barges and in the shipping containers is not just cheap plastic shit for christmas is not just furbies and tickle me almost that's a lot of stuff i read. One article about farm equipment that independent farmers in particular can't get the right access to tractor supplies are just a whole,

44:31 slew of farm equipment or little pieces for repairs and Again, big farms don't have a problem Monsanto's got what they need Tyson chicken You know Of course we did have that thing where these giant food producers had had a hard time complying with six foot distances and all that stuff and it caused a little bit of a shortage but to squeeze out independent farmers once again just another notch in the belt of those trying to snuff out, the last independent food producers and then you got of course all kinds of supplies for electronics

45:07 It's really troubling just the supply chain shortages and I haven't really like you i have a really gone into grocery stores and seen. Mass empty shelves but everybody keeps saying they might be coming and it's just good to be prepared i would say yeah that's the last thing we need right now as a country to have another like toilet paper and paper towel shortage I'm sure you remember like February of 2019 we had the same kind of rumblings and then there was a run on the supermarkets. And back then, we didn't have nearly as many problems with what was going on in the farms and with the ships being backed up. We didn't have those logistical issues so i can only imagine what it would look like if you flip that switch. If you remember

45:58 Another thing that could cause alarm is that during those early months when we started to do the 15 days of South to Spread, the financial markets were slammed. So for the health of people's economic and just general well-being You fear that something like that might be coming. So, you know I don't want to tell everyone listening to make sure they're stocked up on supplies but people need to be smart about sustaining their livelihood especially in times like these where your seeing evidence that there is some funky stuff going on and it's not being communicated to you in a good way so people definitely have to keep their guard up in essence

46:41 Yes, and whether or not we actually end up with massive shortages is hard to say. But even if we don't shouldn't we make ourselves less vulnerable to the possibility of having them? Shouldn't we reel back globalism and start making things here anyway because it seems like a fragile and risky process when you think about all the steps in the chain-of-custody To get stuff here And the terrible conditions are the people working in these places that we shouldn't be supporting either And that's another one of those things that I would have to give Trump credit for at least talking about. I don't know if we did much about it when he was around, but you'll never hear Biden say a critical word about globalism and that's a shame. Yeah well i think he's too far gone to have an original thought at this point. It's very sad to see that yeah he's just very much certainly under the impression as

47:36 It's interesting how little trust there is in this administration, especially because I come from the right. So when I talk about these issues like with what's going on with the Biden administration it's pretty much unanimous you don't get this sense by watching Fox News or anything because they're part of the establishment as well but like I think right-leaning, just average American doesn't buy any of this stuff. They think that the Biden presidency is totally fake that he has like no control you can observe you don't need to be an expert in cognitive science to observe that there's something... He's not up to a functional standard that you'd want your president of United States to have

48:18 You know, there's so little trust that even when he got his booster shot or supposedly got his booster shot on live TV and that makeshift that TV set that they created. the comments on my feed were unanimous. They said there's no way he got the shot, you know it's all fake they probably gave him saline so that's like the kind of distrust is it's like almost all bullshit for these people and they have the right to kinda believe that because you have this guy who's barely functional reading off a script and you just think what the heck is going on with his presidency? I don't think for a second Biden's the one calling the shots Well, even he says that he isn't I think he's so far gone there's definitely been times where he starts his speeches with. I've been told to say or they want me to let you know and these kind of things it's like You're saying the quiet part out loud buddy. You're not supposed to say that part. I think he's suffering unfortunately and

49:18 I think his wife might be committing some sort of elder abuse at this point, because if Kamala were to take over now there's no role for the good doctor of education Jill Biden and some people that are close to Biden. So i think it'll be interesting to see because I have a very hard time thinking that he can get really far past one term. He is basically missing in action The entire presidency and they're like, you know it's like the weekend of Bernie's presidency so they're gonna have to shift over to someone eventually because I would hope that they know or maybe they don't know that. The people just aren't buying into it but I think that they've gotta be.

50:03 quietly alarmed about the polling that's showing this administration in a free fall. So if there is a narrative change, you'll start to see it in the corporate press and New York Times Washington Post they'll start to have... They're basically acting as regime stenographers right now for Biden administration. Biden can do wrong wrong there's nothing wrong with him I think you'll slowly start seeing If they want to shift gears to another if they want to go to Harris or do something else, I think you'll start seeing it in these corporate press papers that are basically tethered to the ruling authorities at this time. And I think we'll start seeing them actually ask the questions that we've been asking for years about Biden's mental health and his capacity to be the president. And I think that will be a big cue

50:53 Yeah, cheers to that. And on the subject of other hopeful signs we waffled a little bit throughout this are people waking up or aren't they? Well As we're trying to tie a bow around this conversation, what else are you seeing that maybe does give you a little confidence that the tide is turning for the authoritarians? Outside of people maybe coming around to Bitcoin and freedom-based financial opportunities. Are there other things that actually give you hope for the next five or 10 years? I think again, that people underestimate

51:32 the effect that Bitcoin can have on society. That it's a tool, it's kind of like a Trojan horse for freedom and the government is so far behind on this that you know in the cryptocurrency world in general The Biden administration just announced this weekend that they're like oh we want to regulate these cryptocurrencies You know they sound like talking to senior citizen about the latest internet technology There's certainly a disconnect between the government's understanding. So I'm hopeful because the government is so behind the eight ball on understanding the threat this poses to them, that they will be too late for them to react when they finally realize that these forces for freedom have inundated society and on a local level with the COVID stuff, I'm really enjoying these parents

52:27 revolting against the school boards that are either trying to put their kids in masks or threaten to shut down the schools, or you know put these like social distancing policies in place. That's super encouraging to me. The fact that the regime is so alarmed that they're starting to like sick the FBI on these people...that I think is actually an optimistic moment because they are so threatened by this revolt and these parents, and local communities are starting to really push back against the stuff. And I hope we see more of that. I agree yeah the mama bears are out there in full force i've seen some really compelling bit shoot videos that were really just moms who saw their kids friends fall ill after getting vaccinated and just

53:17 Turn the camera on press record was like what are we doing i've seen it first hand and you know there's as they say nothing worse than a woman scorned in that woman is a mother i think its even tenfold so. That's a thing i been trying to watch for that when you mess with people's kids, it sometimes breaks the programming and lucky for us there are indications of that is happening and Another closing question I had for you was what would be your assessment of journalism or your message for other journalists? It seems like the aspiration should be to build an audience on Patreon, or Substack, or one of these truly independent platforms rather than get a job at some media company. And with that, I would say then what's the real point of a journalism degree because that four years in college could just be spent

54:12 promoting truth and gaining an audience online. But we do need all hands on deck right now, I would say what would you tell journalists or potential journalists out there? I'm definitely right there with you Greg that I think journalism degree is useless if not a sign that you've been propagandized by the machine If you want to get involved in like maybe visual effects or some type of production, there are courses schooling for stuff like that. But no one needs to learn in an academic setting how to inform the masses about issues that are important and that aren't discussed I think with a good mentor you can very much become a solid journalist

55:01 Some people just enjoy conforming to the machine, but on the other side there's a big audience for people that are kind of like unwavering and willing to just In this industry, it's just very easy to fall into that trap where you want to be well-liked instead of more of a truth teller. But those people tend not make it I think he needs have like a really thick skin to be able to state your and you do this every time you drop in new pockets to stay your opinion that a lot of people might find controversial, that they might disagree with. That they might send you nasty letters and emails so definitely I think

55:45 the thick skin might develop more over time, but I think a lot of people that get into this space need to be ready for some hostile critiques and to just keep an open mind. It's definitely not for everyone but we need a lot more people that are willing to really fearlessly approach these issues. And i think in the end people will reward you like...I've been blown away at I've been lucky enough to have a lot of people that have come over to my sub stack because they just appreciated that I was willing to cover these tough items that a lot of people shied away from. So if you're willing to really put the work in, I think that the possibilities for especially someone that's coming out of college or in college, there are still a lot of stuff that you can get done and you can still build an audience rather quickly by just

56:42 Reporting the truths that remain so under reported or completely unreported in today's society. Well cheers to that for sure i definitely can say I have gotten so much support for such a fringe counterculture, type of content that i'm just maybe im not so alone you know maybe these are such counterculture fringe opinions at least people are interested in them and thats a beautiful thing but man this has been really educational and cathartic, I am sure alot of listeners will agree if they want to support or follow your work where are the places they should do that.

57:22 So most of my published work now is at dossier.substack.com, it's called the Dossier on Substack and then you can for all of my low quality posts follow me on Twitter just at Jordan Schachtel S-C-H-A-C-H-T-E-L and then I do a weekly live stream with Rockfin every Wednesday. So it's rockfinn.com and you can just search me in the search box, and it is a really cool site with a lot of funny comedians that are your buddies over there and there are lots of interesting topics over there too so I'd highly recommend that as well. And thanks for having me on Greg! Really appreciate it. You got it man this has been excellent and you're one of the good ones and I appreciate you taking time and the work you do keep fighting the good fight and take care Yeah thanks so much

58:15 The power of Christ compels you people! Hard to not revisit the notorious news cycle. And even though we typically have a long lead time on episodes, we flip this around to you pretty fast It's too important not to really Big thanks to Jordan for his continued dedication to the work I'm not so much in the mood to talk about masks or PCR tests or the things we've been going over for a year, but there are new elements that are very much worth talking about. The mandates—gotta talk about that! And these supply chain issues which are very much interlinked and are very much the things people are worried about right now moreso than a virus

59:01 But I would say we've already had some serious wins. The mandates for vaccination keep getting pushed back further and further, I was hearing October 15th but now i hear all kinds of dates! I think San Diego's police and firefighters have until December 1st now. I'm hearing a lot of mid-November dates none of these companies really want to be liable for this there is no real law in the books so if you've been fired over it I hope you're pursuing that option If you still have time but there are tensions at your work, I would advise you to say to your employer look i don't feel comfortable with this risk. I am requesting that you pay for a physical so we can get my current health on the record and then after you make me get this shot will have very clear indications as to what might be responsible for any potential damage

59:56 In my opinion, even suggesting a preliminary physical is enough to get their mental wheels turning and they're not going to push it on you. Somebody just asked me on Twitter the other day, they said hey I'm a huge fan of the show and i'm at a crossroads because I really want to seek higher education on campus but they're demanding a vaccine what would you do? And I said, well you're talking to a guy who lists dropping out of college and saving the money as one of the smartest things i ever did. So I would say instead of pausing your life for four years while you rack up immense debt just go do the thing you wanted to do or go to a trade school. I've got several friends who actually went to one year or less trade schools and are now making pretty damn good money at a job that they wouldn't have been able to get otherwise

1:00:48 It's just another example of how we are still thinking traditionally in what we were taught, were supposed to do in life. And now that comes with this new vaccine requirement and you should sit and contemplate how much you need these institutions? How much you need this particular job? I'm not saying throw it all away but think about creative ways to get what you want and keep your autonomy I definitely don't think the right approach is, well i'll get this jab because my job is making me and then it will all be over. A job that would demand such a thing is not a job you want. I'm not saying quit without being prepared but you had time to prepare You should still be preparing and as soon as you are prepared get the hell out of there! I know alot of you guys are under some serious pressure but we have seen The Needle move our way this week

1:01:44 And now Colin Powell died, but they are careful to say of COVID complications not COVID itself. Even though Fauci said that this vaccination is a 100% guard against hospitalizations and death I'd love to hear him bring that up in these stories They never do! I also hope that soon we'll see regular people start turning their outrage towards the shot makers and government puppets who have consistently moved the goalposts on this thing They did say it would keep you from getting sick and then that was obviously not true so they said well you won't get sick as bad or be hospitalized and you definitely won't die. And now what are they gonna say? Hard to keep blaming this on the unvaccinated, only the dumbest of dumb people will support that narrative. I've lost my patience but i am trying to stay focused on celebrating wins

1:02:41 As worried as I am about the supply chain and inflation, I am happy that we got all kinds of unions going on strike. And companies are backing off their vaccinate or vacate dates. If you do want to look for another job there is a website called redballoon.work It is a monster dot com for those employees and employers who are against these mandates RedBalloon.Work So see, things are popping up out there and why even wait for the next one? Maybe there's something you can already do with the skills you have. Maybe people could use a new website or an app for finding locally grown food... ...or Made in America products! There are so many tools that we could use to strengthen the people living on the outside of these mandates, so dive in! We need a lot more than YouTube alternatives, ya know?!

1:03:36 But I really appreciate Jordan's work, been following him for a while now. Very informative and often funny Twitter profile. Definitely deserves to be in that 100k plus follower club! Another indication that there is more of us than they want us to know about If you liked the first hour of this interview join PLUS to hear the second hour What are you doing? Who listens to half a show week after week It's crazy But today we talked about Australia's problems, nations who handled COVID with a softer hand and what that data shows. The relationship between vaccines boosters and COVID cases from the countries that are a little further down the path with the booster thing latest reports on COVID shot damages and testimonials

1:04:26 We talked about alternative platforms, Disney's Fauci documentary, why Fauci is deeply evil. The militarization of the private sector post-mandate Financial control digital currencies and purchasing restraints Lots of interesting stuff and really I think that the big machine is just running barely fast enough to escape the collapse of its own narrative And that collapse is catching up And if you don't want to hear about COVID, we got hundreds of shows in the archive for you to catch up on if you're a new Plus member or thinking about it. But you know how it all works. TheHigherSideChats.com or find me on Patreon if you are in that ecosystem. Happy with this interview though very cathartic for me very busy and stressful week over here on my end so I am going to wrap this up quickly but big thanks to Jordan

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