John Klyczek | School World Order Updates, AI Teachers, & Techno-education

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00:51 Alright, well my world's on fire. How about yours? From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and when we hear about the lofty transhumanistic surveillance state plans of the technocrats it's hard to imagine the widespread adoption and implementation of it all due to some of the technical limitations of older generations and the resistance to change that middle-aged people seem to have for their digital routines in patterns that are pretty well established if you haven't heard onboarding stuff there's a lot of people out there But as we've seen already, it's in the schools where new norms are implemented without the prying eyes of parents and the general public. Creating a whole new generation who sees no different – a generation trained to enter society assuming many of the invasive new technologies are normal ready to maintain these implementations for the rest of their lives

01:38 where once the behaviorists trained us on the punch card, lunch break and assembly line workday with school's rigid structure and Pavlovian bell ringing response. The new generation is currently being tracked and traced surveilled and onboarded to monitoring tech biofeedback devices digital currency and even AI tutors and teachers if you can believe it Where once the empty threat of a permanent record was easy for clever kids to see through, today's kids are actually being fused to one that might follow them into the workforce if they're even lucky enough to find employment based on the compliance data they've accrued from an early age in what really is looking like a data-driven gamified life. life.

02:35 He's been here twice before, once at Ground Zero in April of 2020 and again in August of 2021. His predictions have become warnings and his warnings have become dangers so let's go! The techno education critic transhumanistic corporate web tracker and the Taoist professor himself John welcome back Hey Greg, thanks for having me back. It's just here now in a way that it wasn't in 2021. So to hear how its being used in the classroom is very scary, my kids are two and four now and my wife and I are having a hard enough time when we look for schools that meet our high standards and then we say well we don't want our kids to be learning off of an iPad

03:32 And it seems like we're worried about yesterday's problems because today's problems are actually far worse. Do you find it a little easier to talk to people about this stuff now, as opposed to when the book came out? Because we actually have experience with LLMs and AI and all that stuff. You know I recently actually had half my hours replaced by a bot that basically intermediates tutoring at one of the schools where I adjuncted also tutor And the writing center director there was not exactly excited about this, this new development. So that's I've noticed just now that that's the case like I was basically online since lockdown because right? I was a, I was avoiding the needle but now because they have this bot that's going to be at least intermediating and it is more virtual tutoring

04:31 If you want hours, like you got to kind of come in more. So I, so I constantly coming in person more and I do hear people, you know, I've heard conversations critical conversations about AI. So definitely there's more awareness but to your point, I think The conversations I hear is kind of like, that's you guys are like it's good that you're thinking about it. But this is like a couple steps behind where we're at right now. You know everybody's largely concerned about just automation generally and using AI for plagiarism and when we got wind of the company well actually I asked him what's the name of the company? And then he says upswing! Then if you find anything out about it let me know so okay

05:19 I mean, I know I'm going to. And so it turns out the company is like tied into a bunch of impact investment firms and venture capital firms. So the idea is that this company basically keeps a ledger of data based on student outcomes and then it's gonna basically securitize those outcomes for impact investing side. Basically, I tried to explain that it's not just about automating and streamlining basically the intellectual labor of teaching and tutoring. It's not about cutting costs there, I said it also makes them money generates profit because the data that's gathered by using the bot, you can then use that to apply for these impact investment grants. So that brings more money in and at that point he basically said that which this is more than I've gotten from a lot of people but it was like, I don't think there's very much that I can do about that systemically so his solution has been

06:15 We're making basically making spreadsheets of our own data to compete with the data that it has, but I tried to explain that like The way that the AI scales the data, you can't spreadsheet it. You need AI to be able to individualize the data outcomes and then it can also do group analytics so could do by class freshmen junior sophomore senior. It could do by gender ethnicity socioeconomic bracket. It could go institution wide right? Anyways I'm seeing some pushback but not enough

06:51 Right. Yeah, of course where it counts is what you're seeing in the schools with the administrators but I kind of meant more like in general because I remember talking to you and hearing this stuff and thinking it was just so kind of like jumping the shark, like is this really going to happen? It may be what they want to happen. And maybe what they write in these think tank reports that they want to happen but we didn't have it and then we really did just wake up and it is everywhere implemented in every system we use being foisted upon us. It's just kind of wild. And now that that is true

07:27 You think about what's happening in schools and you're like, Oh my God. Like these kids kind of need to be protected. This is really insane but you mentioned this upswing company and their product Anna which is their AI they name it Anna always gotta give a human name this one's probably for analytics and I guess part of me is like, why is all this data important? It just seems like since COVID it's been like oh well do the test because you get the plus or the minus and like the test tells you everything but the test is wrong half the time. And then everything has to be quantified in a number on a graph

08:06 And it's just kind of silliness because I just don't think that it's that important at all, but yet. It's important for the agenda because this is really what's going to drive these kids lives and as you've talked about maybe you can elaborate, but they're violating HIPAA rules and all sorts of data that was supposed to be private has been fed into this machine because the machine must operate and consume on data on numbers Yeah, I think it's part and parcel to the emerging...the new fintech economy in the fourth industrial revolution which is largely going to be based on instead of sort of like a debt-based economy. It'll be a debt-based economy leveraged with predictive analytics and so basically the impact investment economy

08:55 and the AI economy are two sides of the same coin. So like in the instance of something like Anna, so let me just pause and explain what impact investing is right? So basically in education we have particular types of impact investments called pay for success and there's provisions for these in The Every Student Succeeds Act which is main federal bill that oversees K-12 public education in the United States. And so basically, the way these work is that a nonprofit or for profit company will put money up front to help achieve certain education outcomes but they could be healthcare outcomes or workforce outcomes or criminal justice recidivism outcomes for at risk students all these things could pertain

09:42 And they're going to put money up front and to the degree to which they achieve those outcomes, learning healthcare workforce etc. They can make that money back the government will pay them back or they can even make a profit if they exceed those outcomes okay so in other words you need as I was mentioning with the case of this company upswing you need that scalable level of data to be able to track in real time the degree to which each student achieves the outcomes. You need the AI to get the data, you need the data to get the impact investment and then the impact investment company they need that data back so they can get their money back from the government right? And so what we're basically...and the way that these outcomes monetize is basically through securities. So a good example would be and a lot of social impact investments stuff usually emphasis like

10:38 ESG, DEI and SDG outcomes right so environmental social governance diversity equity inclusion sustainable development sort of these kind of like left-of-center kind of modalities right that we've seen but there are like right wing versions of this that just kind of remove all the woke categories. And they just kind of focus on like socioeconomic outcomes, like workforce development. So one would be American Enterprise Institute and they have data that looks at how they can quantify learning outcomes in terms of future monies saved or spent. An example would be

11:24 And this was how Kamala Harris was able to basically put parents in jail for not bringing their kids to school on time. If students are tardy and they don't do good, then they're gonna not pass. If they don't pass statistically this means you're more likely to go to jail so instead of waiting for them to go to jail later we'll put mom in jail now and prevent this. So now turn that into money if we can say statistically students who don't do so well end up in jail or maybe they need mental health care Other social welfare services, this costs us money. This cost us public dollars so statistically we can quantify those monies right that would either be saved or lost based on the student outcomes and then you can basically securitize those future expected moneys into a bond that you attach to the student and then that bond appreciates based on the data produced through their learning modules etc

12:22 But basically what this, because you're saying like this does. What is this ultimately for? So basically because by doing so you're inflating this other bubble of financial instruments that are literally attached to human beings and you're just stacking another layer of a casino economy. The AI is not just important to keep track of these monies but to your point the quantization right reducing everything to a measurable number Basically makes, the reason I use casino economy is it's the idea that you can more or less gamble on. You would probably use something like sponsor or invest in but gamble on these outcomes where the risk is managed statistically enough where right? The house always wins, right? So ultimately what it's about is supply chain management

13:12 more than it's about profit creation, like in a traditional capitalist model. It's more about getting people to behave in a particular way to keep supply chains moving and the impetus for making those supply chains move is sort of the punishments and rewards of tokenized social credit attached to these bonds. I'm going to stop because I know I put way too many irons on the fire. All good. All good. It really is like betting on the success or failure of human beings and in a lot of ways, the commodification of a life based on their compliance data and their profiles. I mean that's yeah. Like you're saying that's what the numbers are for is to make these assessments. You got to have the numbers otherwise you're just shooting in the dark but

14:01 They're not actually important to the individual, I would say because people change and i'm so thankful. Well, I guess it doesn't matter because I don't have a conventional job but when I was younger, I was always under the threat of this mistake you made is going to follow you forever. It's going to go down on your permanent record and But I knew that was dumb. But it's not so empty anymore, right? I mean there are programs being implemented in school at a grade-school level that will probably follow these kids all throughout. And just like your medical history is in this folder that goes from doctor to doctor—you know the old Seinfeld bit she could never see what's in her own file—that's kind of going to be true with kids and if the job market can actually see

14:57 these reports, that gets really scary because you kind of are shackled to your previous tendencies even if you want to change. Yeah and one of the ways that system is sort of emerging some of the pieces they're getting put in place currently under the Trump administration have to do with the push for school choice funding mechanisms so it's a basket of various different types They're basically vouchers. I mean, but some of them are called education savings accounts others are called tax credited quote unquote scholarships and basically this is ways that they're going to funnel public tax dollars and attach them to students so the mantra for someone like Corey DeAngelis who's sort of like the mascot for school choice right now

15:49 As he says, fund students not schools or fund students not buildings or something like that. It's the idea that why give money to these faceless institutions when you can give it to the student or the family and then they can individually choose to purchase different ed tech products or services, or maybe go into a private school? But this is one of the ways where if you attach this voucher money to the digital wallet companies that are being promoted to facilitate it. So I should just step back one second and note that, right? Trump ran on school... He's always been pro-school choice but the whole Project 2025 thing that he said he wasn't going to do and they disavowed but turns out they did most of it well in the education department section a big chunk of it is about school choice

16:42 And it's promoted, the authors of it are connected to various Koch brothers funded think tanks that are connected to the state policy network. We can maybe name some of those later but if you go to my articles you can go through them But these companies or these think tanks are promoting the use of digital wallets like Class Wallet, Odyssey, Merit International Student First Technologies And some of these companies already have blockchain applications like SAP Ariba. So basically what they'll do is, right? You'll be attaching... you'd be funding the student but you'll be attaching that education and savings account to that student through a digital wallet and long-term now they don't say this in Project 2025 but the way this is going to dovetail with the impact investing

17:35 You'll probably have at some point a base UBI education fund, and then you can apply for these other education savings accounts or tax-credited scholarships. And the tax credited scholarships, a lot of them have to be distributed by what are called scholarship granting organizations or scholarship funding organizations. So there's this nonprofit middle man so to speak And a lot of these are impact investment organizations, right? So you'll have an impact investment firm that will dole out the voucher money to ESA. It's a scholarship whatever they want to call it They'll dole it out through a stable coin programmable, right? And they'll transfer it through the blockchain ledger on the digital wallet. But by doing this now you've not just attached the money to the student but you've attached the funding mechanism which also means like the government regulations that oversee that because remember that the impact... It's a public private partnership so government has to oversee the data just like the nonprofit or the for-profit SGO has to oversee it

18:35 Yeah, the money has strings attached. They don't just give out the money that comes with the regulation Yeah, and so wherever that student goes whether they like back in the day let's say you didn't do so good at one school or maybe a couple teachers had it out for you at this other school. Then you move and go somewhere else and it is like a clean slate nobody assumes anything about your abilities or your behaviors and maybe you click different when in that environment all of sudden you perform in totally different manner Here in this system, right? That voucher money and that wallet net ledger. And all the analytics that come from whatever ed tech products you purchased in the, and sort of the feedback loop between the FinTech inputs to purchases and the Ed Tech outcomes doesn't matter if you go to this school or that school, or you go to this company or that company because the central node that aggregates all of this

19:31 Essentially psychological profile for this individual student bio cycle social data it's all on that blockchain ledger which basically is like dual purpose digital ID but also. data mining machine for the feedback loops that we just noted. Yeah, we're seeing a little bit of that here because I mean, I don't like to get too deep on the personal stuff but it's very relevant to this one but our daughter is four she got moved up a grade and great fine she's in pre-k who cares? The issue is that in Florida, there's a law that you have to be a certain age going into kindergarten. So now we're stuck in a weird thing where she has to do kindergarten twice because the law says that you must and my wife just hates this. I mean she's really it's really uh, A thorn in her club and so she's trying to find a school that will not make or do this

20:31 And she's learned that she has to first ask, are you part of the state of Florida is like voucher program? Because if they are then that's the requirement. But she has found out that some don't take that money and then get to make their own rules. And so we're looking at that what you're going to be in this school is that we're going to be interested in anyway. So yeah, just it's just funny you say that because the strings attached it's happening in our life. One of the companies that I mentioned is, is the one that facilitates the Florida. It's in my database and people don't want to see it can go on my website and get a subscription to the database. But yeah, one of the digital wall companies that I noted facilitates the scholarship. And there's a couple different actually, I actually have it here you say

21:16 By combining, because there's three pillars to this. There is AI tech, FinTech and ID Tech you say by combining these three the digital wallet industry is stacking and building blocks for a cybernetic matrix through which AI can data mine predictive social credit analytics by tracking and tracing how the transmission of school choice subsidies through blockchain student ID ledgers correlate with specific edtech learning outcomes in fact At least one fintech platform, SAP Ariba which collaborates with World Economic Forum partners such as IBM and Amazon distributes school choice scholarships issued by the Florida State Department of Education in addition to interfacing blockchain applications and AI tools that monitor environmental social and governance scores and other social credit metrics.

22:06 tricks. So yeah, I'm in the belly of the beast here at least, at least to sand to sign something about cloud seeding and no geoengineering. And I mean, I guess we can't win them all, but I wanted to go back to something you said which was That the Trump administration, though it tried to distance itself from project 2025 did most of it. So this is kind of one of your big articles really too but we know that the PayPal mafia tech bros are all up in the Trump administration and their current head of the department of education is Linda McMahon from the WWE if you can believe that

22:44 I'll make that case that they did most of it because I know there were alarm bells on the left about project 2025. Other people are saying, look this is just some far out extreme end to the right thing And, you know, whatever there's always think tanks making reports on what they should do. But talk to us about how what's in project 2025 and the realm of education is exactly what they did do in this first year? Okay. So first I'll go through the particulars of what they did, but I'll do a little, I'll tell a little anecdotal story about my mentor Charlotte Thompson Iserby which should illustrate that even if I, even if I couldn't explicate the particulars that

23:23 you should know that they're lying when they say that they don't know anything about Project 2025 and they're not going to implement it. And, that's because it was created by the Heritage Foundation okay? The Heritage Foundation... What Charlotte told me was on day one when Republican administration gets into power and just for those who don't know I mean probably most most probably do you've had her on she passed away in 2022 and she blew the whistle on this thing called Project BEST, basic education skills through technology. It was kind of a precursor to everything we're talking about but she said on day one right basically cabinet level officials you get a Heritage Foundation playbook that's what you get and that is that's basically... The Heritage Playbook is the Republican Party platform That essentially sets the agenda now

24:16 secretaries and the president, you know make an audible here or there or decide with some degree of creativity how they implement these policies. Maybe but here's the other part it's not just a case that that's the ballgame that they play the first time around that he was in there, Trump was in there. One of the people on his transition team was Edwin Meese, Counsel for National Policy. Well, Edwin Meese was also involved in the Reagan administration when Charlotte was there. So in other words right now only is it that they're doing the same thing that they did in the Reagan administration which is using The Heritage Playbook but the same people that are on a transition team are the same people so it's the same personnel, It's the same institution, it's this...it's the same model

25:02 All right, so let's just put that to the side. So when he said he has never seen it and I can't believe that that's a true statement now project 2025 is the entire executive branch, right? And so all of the different departments, Department Education Energy DOJ department state, all of it, right? So, I mean, I'm focusing on education. The document itself was like 800-900 pages. The education section 60 to 80 pages But I mean, just and I can know without any going into particular detail. Obviously the ICE operations that's obviously from out of project 2025 right? A lot of the FCC stuff is out of project 2025 but let's look at education basically well there are two parts so one thing that they didn't do was the one thing that I said they wouldn't do and that's because they couldn't do it

26:01 That was the selling point. And that was, they were going to get rid of the Department of Education. Now you can't get rid of the Department of Education without an act of Congress. So every time they kept announcing that he's gonna abolish it by executive order I'd have to go online and respond to a bunch of people that don't understand how our constitution works right? And then what I said was okay even if he were to abolish the Department of Education that doesn't get rid of all the federal entitlement programs that are embedded in the Every Student Succeeds Act. So, all that would do if he did get rid of it would just scatter like instead of having the Department of Education oversee those particular entitlements they would go to other agencies and this is how it was before so for people who don't know the Department of Education we've had federal education in this country since like the 1860's

27:02 was first an office in the Department of the Interior, then in the Eisenhower era they move that office and they create a separate department of health, education and welfare. In 1979 it gets broken up into two departments so you have the Department of Education and then also the Department of Health & Human Services which is the health and welfare part so they broke in just mean they gave them this expanded the size of these things So if he were to get rid of it all that would do was basically it would basically either push it back to some form

27:39 more or less similar to its prior instantiation, right? As basically a distributed. So like I'll just give you some examples there's federal entitlements in at least so i mentioned ESSA but then there's also the HEA which is higher education act as the individuals with disability education act and there's a workforce investment and opportunity act right so you have to get rid of all those. This was just hype to get people excited about, he's getting rid of the deep state. He's going to bloviate on this even the stuff on them title nine stuff all that does? The executive orders it a rescind previous executive orders so again it doesn't undo any of the Title IX stuff that's in federal legislation and what they said was what they wanted to do in particular was in project 2025 They said they wanted to move

28:35 Well, I won't itemize them. The particular agencies that they wanted to send things to would be Department of Justice for like Title IX stuff, Department of Labor for adult ed and career and technical ed. And then they'd move Office of Special Ed and Post-Secondary Ed to HHS. Now when you heard McMahon be grilled or, you know, for her appointment before the hearing to okay her And they asked her, are you guys going to get rid of the department? Well but we're not going to defund it. Okay so she's telling you there then she goes through and they and she says well how are you gonna enforce title nine which is another indication that they're not gonna get rid of it because if you want to make sure that you're gonna keep men out of women sports that means you're gonna have to have some kind of statute to oversee that which means you're gonna have to have Title IX which means you'd have to keep the entitlement right and so they said

29:28 Well, I don't know if it wouldn't be better served at DOJ. So like everything she said was in line with that now what turns out is that they did issue some executive orders to not abolish although that's how people reported on it but to do...I guess dismantles an okay word because even dismantle something right you're like you smash it into pieces but the pieces are still sitting there so they did some of that they moved All of the IDEA, Individuals with Disabilities Education Act. All the special ed stuff they did move to HHS but that has nothing to do with some radical move that is entirely within the provisions of The Department of Education Act which says that in order to reduce or get rid of duplicative services and redundancies

30:17 If there's anything that could be better served in one department versus the other, we can do that. So they just moved stuff over there." So the one thing that I actually... Charlotte and I would have probably depending on how they went about it would have actually been onboard with would've been the curtailing of federalized education But none of that actually happened. The things that did happen was the school choice stuff and that's the privatization stuff, that's the public private partnerships so they had two main things that they wanted to do with it well three. The third one is just issuing discretionary grants so there's all this money that comes in based on the entitlements through right? It's like monies that is a lot through the legislative process

31:03 then the department itself has its own budget. And within that budget, it's allowed... It has a certain amount of money you can use for discretionary grants And so it can say, Hey we're going to give this school this much money to do this program. and these are ways that where the department is more than just a regulatory agency but actually can influence like curriculum and policy by incentivizing with these programs. So they wanted to turn those grants into like school choice vouchers. That's one thing last I checked. I don't know that they've done a lot with that. You know something that we've noticed again going personal here in Florida

31:41 When we moved, cause we had to leave California because our kids were getting into school age and we're not going to get them 60 shots. So we were forced to leave the state because there's no wiggle room there at all. So we came to Florida for multiple benefits that being one and we've gone through a few homeschooling conferences or expos And what we found in Florida is that if you do homeschooling, the state government will give you $8,000 per kid. Hey, you're paying for the public education. You're not using it here's an $8,000 voucher. Well, what we're finding at these expos and we were looking for resources is that there's a lot of families in Florida particularly rural Florida where they're having four or five six kids getting eight grand per kid and then teaching from the Bible

32:32 And they're just kind of using that money as income. So, you know, that's not exactly great also not exactly what you're talking about either but there are just a lot of problems with that sort of system and how it's implemented but I just wanted to fast forward a little bit here to talk about the wallets because you mentioned them and This is one of those areas where how are they going to implement stable coins? How are they going to implement digital currencies? Well, a lot of it comes from the people who need money for benefits or the people who need money in situations where they're dealing with an institution that the government's involved in like school and

33:13 I just had this here where you write that if you've never heard of class wallet, it actually made the Inc. 5000's prestigious annual list of the fastest growing private companies in America for the third year in a row and benefit wallet is being used to disperse tax advantaged funds from health savings accounts already and as expanding, I guess This is one of those big things, you know school choice. This is how the money is distributed and for people who don't think project 2025 educational policy is implemented in the actual government policy this is how kind of the PayPal mafia is implementing some of this stuff and these wallets are active right now benefit wallet was a subsidiary of the Xerox Corporation

34:01 And it's just wild. Like if you're not involved in schools at all, you don't know this is happening but it is happening to an entire generation and a whole subset of people who need some kind of assistance. So two things one is what you do know two companies class wallet and benefit wallets these are like two inverse examples that illustrate how what we're looking at in terms of the digital wallet industry and to facilitate school choice funds is going to basically be the ubiquitous medium for distributing public funds through all federal and probably state agencies as well. Okay, so with something like Class Wallet started off largely distributing emergency relief funds for education during lockdowns but now if you go to their website you can see that they're trying to branch out into facilitate payments for FEMA HUD and HHS

34:56 Now, benefit wallets started out in the opposite. They were basically overseeing health savings accounts which you're hearing a lot about recently right? And by the way I do think that part of this all this assault on public services and social services is ultimately what they're going to do is offer these types of solutions Right. And like an impact investment, it's a middle ground thing right? It offers the best of both like the welfare state and the company town so to speak. It's a public private partnership that's going to dole out social services or

35:32 welfare monies, but based on right. Like work requirements and like, you know, analytics, right? Like you have to earn your tokens in these social programs, but benefit wall started off as like an for health funds and then it moved into education. So like this is going to be the main medium And part of its gonna be, and this was the argument they make for school choice too This mantra about waste fraud and abuse Right. All this stuff about fraud here and fraud there, so- Which there is some reality to I mean 37 trillion in debt we don't want the whole system to fall apart. No definitely but here's a funny thing about it if you look at something like it's one of the white papers that's written by one of the coauthors of project 2025 I wanna say off top my head that it is Jonathan Butcher piece in heritage about FinTech If its not him its Max Eden but I'm 99% sure its Butcher

36:23 They talk about like, right. Well it's really good because it'll help with the blockchain like right now you can get like visas and mastercard like prepaid cards they're programmed with a purchasing code And so that restricts what you can buy with it, but they're not super precise. So like you could go to Walmart and buy school supplies, but maybe you could buy food with it that you're not supposed to buy. And so there's like this certain amount of fraud that occurs and they're saying well with blockchain stable coins et cetera, with this new FinTech right now we can really have more precise programming codes for these particular digital markets in these particular schools et cetera. But in same document they go like, you know...but ultimately what's more important

37:04 It's okay if there is some fraud, if they're getting more access and spending more money. They're okay with a certain amount of fraud as long as they are the ones making them up. Yeah it's classic problem reaction solution I mean here's our fix for it and its going to be worse meanwhile you know giving the biggest budget ever to the military no need to cut that at all uh...it just gonna be the small amounts that regular people get who needed I want to talk a lot about what's happening to kids in the classroom rather than necessarily the funding arms of some of this stuff. One of the big things is biometrics, so

37:46 I was pretty optimistic about RFK Jr. being in the administration, I mean cautiously optimistic you know it seemed like he had to make a deal with the devil kind of situation but there is some stuff going on you know banning some dyes like there's no need for dyes that are toxic to be in food at all and they just flipped the food pyramid putting real food on top that's not nothing! It's gonna have implementations in school and prison lunches I suppose but This is also part of the problem reaction solution thing. It's like, okay, Americans are unhealthy. The diets are trash so we need the monitoring. We need the biometrics to make sure everybody's on track and you seem to have had some inkling that this was going to be a problem for RFK Jr or that maybe he has investments in this area or friends in this area? So this would be the way in which they can work with them. Is that kind of true?

38:44 I don't remember the particular, it was a long time ago. I remember Allison McDowell was sharing his portfolio along time ago. It was health tech biotech pretty sure there's some impact investment stuff in there too to your point with the wearables like when I saw that portfolio that made me think about this project connected to the precision medicine initiative that I wrote about a long time ago and natural news piece and the precision medicine initiative was kicked off under Obama. Fauci was involved with it, I'm pretty sure that don't quote. Off...I might not be remembering that accurately. It's been a while but the piece one of the things that stood out to me was so there is a particular subset of the precision medicine is personalized medicine. So the precision part is the personalized part personalize part is like based on your personal genetics for the most part but basically it's more of an

39:40 There's an epigenetic component to it. So, epigenetic is the theory that your genes are expressed and are changed in response to environmental pressures or stimuli I guess so it's not just nature versus nurture there's like this dialectic between the two. And this subset was called All of Us and they needed however many million people and what they wanted to do was basically put wearables on them and the guy who was in part In charge of the project was Eric Dishman and that was his background. He made like smart homes for people with either like army vets or like people with Alzheimer's and stuff, so you know things to make sure that you don't harm yourself, you don't forget to take your pills, only need a stove on all these types of sensors and things. And so he put in place on this project basically monitor peoples DNA

40:38 and monitor their lifestyle habits based on your wearables, and then draw correlations between. I mean because if you have a particular gene what's the BRCA? The breast cancer gene right doesn't mean you're going to have it just means you're more likely to get it. And so part of this study is to see okay what types of dietary habits exercise or lack thereof either keeps these pathologies from expressing themselves genetically or triggers them to things like that and so they're looking at feedback loops between your environmental behaviors and what's going on inside. Now think about everything i said about school choice impact investing in social credit

41:25 Just do that with this instead of the ed tech module, right? It'll just be another ledger. Instead you'll have an education ledger here on the blockchain and have your health ledger here. You get impact school choice tokens here. You get health tokens here. And then based on how much exercise what type of foods you do or don't eat, you can get more health tokens and things like that. And you'll have your health savings account that they'll put it in instead of your education savings account. As soon as he came out and said it, I was like well pretty sure I'm right then because this was all sort of inferring okay if this is this and that's that we put these together and keep going down the road and then he comes out and announces it to your point I think that's this administration

42:14 The lockdowns, it looked like the end to a lot of us. You know what I mean? Like no that's true it was scary but imagine so now how you can leverage sort of that all of the emotions and the fears and anxieties you have about such a scenario occurring again right like the people that were voices on our side of the argument, you put these people up as heroes. Like what? What can they get you to trust now? You know and so you use this like

42:50 In terms of HHS, right? Yeah. Bobby who is health freedom and anti mandates and he's going to put on your wearables. And on the positive side they did greatly reduce the vaccine schedule. I mean that's another positive the food pyramid in the vaccine schedule these are two things that I really cared about a lot but as you say the wearables is kind of the backdoor into Technifying everything in, in health. On the education front you had all the woke stuff, you know what I mean? Critical theory queer theory and right all that right at the, all the gender stuff and like, You know, and a lot down too because right. Yeah. I mean, you, you know, I just described to use it. I don't want to be online. I don't want to be feeding the machine so to speak but if it's a choice between teach online and get a job when they meet, I'm sorry, I would have preserved

43:44 my biological integrity. So, but that's another thing that I think was much of what this administration gets away with is only because they had the last four years prior to point two as a boogie. Do you want that to come back? Do you want the, and there's a long history not just have your heritage foundation Cato your old school Koch brothers network neoconservative beltway libertarian think tanks pushing that type of culture war stuff but The PayPal mafia, Thiel and David Sachs. Right? You know the diversity myth and Stanford review. And so you know like that's they have always stoked the culture war stuff as leverage to come in with their privatization schemes. Yeah and another thing about the wearables it's like it's another step towards

44:34 Transhumanism. It's another step towards just get used to this tech being on your body and integrated into monitoring your heartbeat at all times, and your brain waves that all times. And then you get a job and your boss has all the readouts on his screen of who's paying attention and who is most focused? And you'd get a talking too. All that stuff. But you know, dr Jack Cruz, he was very optimistic on RFK jr and he's such a cynical guy which is, you know, he kind of made me more optimistic because he's like I've had these back room meetings with Shanahan and him and this is the stuff we're going to do but He has turned for sure. He's been very critical because he says

45:18 You don't improve health by bathing in blue light and EMFs, no matter what the numbers on the screen say. His whole thing is light and how it affects us and EMS and how they affect us these unseen forces on the good side, you know, sunlight on the negative side all the tech light but he's like if you care about your health, The worst thing you can do is cover yourself in all this tech and make sure you're always connected because it destroying your mitochondria. So it's just interesting, but this is what they need. They're not concerned about that. They, this is just what they need to do the monitoring all throughout and I just wanted to ask you mentioned Alison McDowell have you talked to her recently? She was very big on this stuff in the commodification of people and building profiles and putting them all on wall street and gambling on outcomes of underprivileged kids she kind

46:16 went off on me on Twitter is that I was part of the problem because she gets very vigilant about any use of crypto and just the simple fact that I accept crypto as a form of payment for the show like she had a huge problem with that but i take tea people send me coffee and tea for the...I'll take anything you know but I don't know. She's had some conflicts with other people, she just doesn't seem to have much of a compromise on this and maybe we shouldn't to her credit but have you talked to her at all recently? You know she likes to comment on things that i do because we kind of had a similar scenario. I never said it never said a crossword or whatever. We talked about

46:58 I don't want to go through the whole thing, but you know. Yeah, we came in contact when there was the thing where she was A lot of it was revolved around the crypto thing and beefing with Whitney and Ryan Christian in them. And I thought I was going to be like, hey, I'm a person that's not... you know? In the middle- I know these people but I don't so I'm detached or like hey maybe we could all sit down out. I get like, you know conflict resolution. You're gonna be the moderator! I was able to talk to her on the phone It was a good conversation for most of it and at

47:37 I won't go into particulars, he didn't like my position on that debate that she was having. I guess she wanted me to take her side and I was trying to be more neutral but ever since then very often actually i just spoke in San Francisco there's a labor AI labor in the future of san francisco at the public library and somebody redid one of the panelists i was there with reposted the video Dude, I've reached out to her like first it was you don't cover impact investing and you don't cover them So then I started covering when I covered it Like I sent her an email even though she would go in the comment section We would just not have anything nice to say And I would and I would I still reached out politely didn't never since deal never said cry and was like hey look I covered the thing that you say that I suck at not covering like You know thought maybe you know and look I still

48:35 I'm a working class Italian dude from the South Side of Chicago that's been doing martial arts for 20 years. I have very thick skin, we don't have to agree about stuff you don't have to be nice to me. Because i respect her research she has had insight in front of things it took me a little bit longer at least to articulate and its not like I never saw the value in it articulate, explicate talk publicly about it personally. You know I need to be able to do a thorough research and a thorough write on it so that I examined it enough where I can say things confidently well long story short was even when I reached out to her it was like dude... It's like every was just like so sideways and it was like it wasn't even like thanks for trying it was like something about you try to wedge and shoo-in hoard everything into the same person

49:33 Yeah. And I don't want to get too crazy into the drama because you know, this there's a lot of conspiracy world drama people it's just human nature we get in our own ways but nobody seems to be able to meet her high standards. Her standard is set so high that a single comment from Whitney Webb or myself or Ryan Christian is just, it puts us into the same... We might as well be working for Peter Thiel It's like, don't let progress be the enemy of perfection or something that they say. But again I have thick skin too. I come from retail people talk shit to my face and I still must help them solve their problem it's just part of the job customer is always right but yeah i was just a little sad by that because I think if she wants more awareness about these things there's probably a better approach

50:21 to getting it done, but her research as you say all things considered her research is pretty great. What I always say to people now because it's like to be like did she see she commented on your thing? And I'll be like I don't really want to read it now just because if I got everything right it would be the wrong topic I mean, like that's her type of response. Like if I got everything right it'd be the wrong topic you know what i mean or two layers or whatever yeah oh that was the thing she said last month i'm eight years behind all right well i mean i'm eight years behind but most people are like how did the conversation start today? Most people are just now even caring about AI so you know you have to meet

51:01 everybody where they're at and everybody's not where she's at. Most of us aren't where she is, you know? And so yeah it's unfortunate I mean... We wish her well Yeah! At any point if we want to get along then we can get along but in the meantime I don't have the energy To be so rigid about people that could be potential allies who use crypto It's like you use YouTube You know what I mean? Like it's all part of the same infrastructure at the end of the day. A company like Chainlink is designed to pull off-chain data onto the blockchain, which means all the predictive analytics and all the profiling that they do through all your social media including YouTube... That's all feeding you the ant computer so to speak, to use her terminology in a global brain and all that stuff yeah

51:56 If you want to have purity tests, I mean anyone with a cell phone is going to have a problem passing. And like you said, you use YouTube it's like probably have the Gmail address it's just ubiquitous all our tools are bloody as my buddy Gordon says. I liked the winning strategy of that when they did that game theory test with those computers way back when right in the, in the winning strategy was you always, you always cooperate until people don't cooperate and then as soon as they want to cooperate, you cooperating. That's that's my that's how I approach it. You know what I mean? So like everything all of that to say that it's like, you know, when people are impeding your ability to do positive things, you just go around but the moment they wanna tag along or more than well. I hear ya. Well, you know Allison we love you get well soon

52:51 So I wanted to come back to something you said in the beginning about, you know your own experience and your career and you actually losing hours as a tutor because the school is implementing this upswing AI. Now I watched the demo that I've heard you talk about. I might play it in the wrap up I don't know, it's a lot of visual because it's text-based. These kids are texting just like you do when you need help on any website with any company, you get the AI assistant right? So this is the AI assistant for kids in school and what's really creepy about it is that asks them about their struggles and it asks them about mental health struggles and stress and it's just like

53:35 Putting people in a situation, young impressionable kids where if they even mention anything it is just an opening of the door to getting them in the pill pusher pipeline. Oh let's talk to the school psychologist! Let's see what's going on with you? It's just so sick to me because I think one of the grossest things is preying on kids giving them Ritalin and pharmaceuticals checking up on their mental health. I mean, whatever but this is now there's an AI in their pocket that they're being told to talk to and they're forming parasocial relationships with a computer This is gonna cause mental health problems

54:21 I think you probably noted too that in that promo, I don't know that it's a real student interacting with the bot. It's two bots, one of them is supposed to be... They're presenting this as if this was a real student and this is their idea of a tutorial that would make you want to buy this thing for your kids or that your kids are... And by the end of it They're telling each other they love each other, or at least they're sending heart emojis. Yeah yeah the AI and the AI says it's proud of him! The guy writes oh my gosh uh Anna because that's the name of the algorithm... Anna I got all A's this semester and then the AI is like Oh i'm so proud of you congratulations heart emoji heart emoji

55:08 This is sickening. Yeah, I mean it's insanity! First of all it crosses a line that human teaching and human student would never be allowed to or wouldn't be appropriate to do That's a great point. And it also does that in the sense that this same bot is asking the student questions about health and education, that's HIPAA and FERPA there are two different sets of data that when students have documented disabilities clinically, that's our health record you don't get to know that unless the student discloses or the student asks disability services to disclose it to you. You're not allowed to even ask! So as we're gonna wrap this thing up

55:51 Talk to us about what parents should be doing now. I don't have a lot of faith in stopping things from the top down, I'm kind of more of an, I see this coming and I guess I should go find a way to do something different because I don't even have the public support to make the changes that I would want to make so... Is there any kind of network that you know, of any kind of online community or anything where there's resources for parents looking to have options outside of this system? I mean, that's what you should do now. That upswing freed up some of your time get involved in the development of a tech free school franchise. There was a big market waiting to be serviced, I think, or you can at least teach my kids

56:33 But what, what should parents do right now? I mean, what do you have any resources we can have because I searched myself and I don't find many. I mean it do offer tutoring and consultation. Well, I mean my specialties in languages in English language arts mainly composition and writing. You know, I talk, I've been so conditioned by my licensing like I feel like, yes, I can teach reading as well but technically on paper in the institutional setting you know, I'm not licensed to teach reading but what I'm just saying so there are people that offer...I was trying a network with some people in California but I'm in Chicago so ultimately we kind of

57:17 Nobody ever showed up to the meetings where we're trying to get like a list serve, like homeschoolers for co-ops and pods and things like that. You know you'd have to look around your own area I don't really know...you know? I think you've heard the story that the solutions part of the book was never...that was kind of...the publisher required that! I was just gonna blackmail everybody and walk out on ya. I mean, my thing is like this is my best analogy. Like as far as school choice goes and the voucher system like I just treat it like the jab essentially because most people a lot of the rise in homeschooling since 2020 has been getting away from getting out of critical theory queer theory but also right though the impending mandates and usually most people that did that and therefore went to the home schooling.

58:17 Technically, it would have been easier to take the job because then you don't have to find a new job. You get access to the public square and commercial services. You get more access and that's the same thing they're doing with the voucher monies. Oh, it was going to be harder to homeschool without it? Don't you just want the money? It comes with the strings attached. Just like we said though with early internet, early social media There won't be too many strings attached early on in the onboarding phase. It'll come later, so as far as that goes it's you know I mean all i can say is abstain but when it comes to AI and devices like maybe you should ask yourself what YOU are going not you Greg but you general you generic you the adult the parent are going do because even people that I've been in meetings where we were talking about the dangers of AI and data mining

59:19 at the Zoom meeting, they got an AI that's doing the taking the minutes. Yeah, taking notes I see that all the time and then they send you the email with the notes back and I just hate it And I don't want to be Allison McDowell on this and be like, You used AI! We can't be friends. Don't watch my intros. I don't mean it like that but I do mean that like dude... Like I have a Gmail still. I need to get rid of it. I need to get something better than Gmail. Right now to have to go reset all my accounts. So right now that's it, I'm putting myself on it. That's something that I need to be more cognizant of like these are the things we all need to do well for everybody that's thinking about well how can I what can I do for my kids education? And then you go and using chat GPT all day

1:00:12 Right. That's not good, but I just mean there are school resources like cause me and my wife have learned that homeschooling is probably a full-time job we're not going to undertake and we have learned that we feel as if the role of a parent and a teacher should be different. Our kids respond differently to teachers. They listen a lot better to teachers than they do parents. We like those roles being separate so we want some type of schooling and That's where we throw up our hands and are like, we have resources now that go up to kindergarten. And then we're completely at a loss for what we might be able to do. And it seems like you don't really know much of a infrastructural network thing that we could do either which is obviously disheartening but Hey I know I got to let you go here soon tell people about the links tell them where to get your articles tell them what you're working on next

1:01:10 The schoolworldorder.info is the website and it has links to all the social media, I've updated it so its got all my interviews, all my articles, all conferences and presentations that I've done there's a link to my database we mentioned today you can subscribe to that if you'd like to help support my work and Twitter Twix is the two places where most of my most up-to-date stuff is found Heck yeah. Well, I mean you wrote the best book on this stuff ever right before it all happened at a time when it was useful and there was still some things we could do and school world order got to give it to you for the pun in the title. It is top shelf

1:01:55 And I appreciate what you do. I'm sorry to hear that it's already affecting you on a professional level and it's disappointing that there aren't more resources for people who want to do something different, but problems create opportunities and you got a little bit more time on your hands now at scenes so thank you for spending time with us and uh enjoy the rest of your day. Yes sir you too All right, John Kleszak lucky number three for john and I. It had been a while and he reached out with his latest articles from unlimited hangout and i thought why not when we recorded this? He did have video i should say but it was so broken up and choppy that we just cut it and focused on the audio and making sure it was as good as it could be always the right move here and i do think

1:02:47 These things that John talks about are easier to understand now than they were several years ago, a Testament to how far ahead of the curve he has been. And to me this is a big deal because schools are where they prep a new generation for a new normal outside of what their out-of-touch parents see or know about but man my wife and I cannot help but Sort of ignore this giant problem because we feel like we will have to compromise somewhere. We got out of California, we cleared the first hurdle of mandatory vaccinations but now we have a new set of problems and as they get into kindergarten age I'm just not looking forward to dealing with it

1:03:32 I wish John had more to say about solutions. I would like to see him providing solutions for parents, he's already getting his hours replaced with AI and the conventional system why not go outside of it and teach the way you want? To families looking for that sort of thing too how much more do we really need to know about the problem itself because i feel pretty well educated on it at this point so...I know this is trendy but I like John alot and wanted to help him get his work out there even more So an AI in the classroom show felt like something we should do at least once. He is one of the good ones and I'm glad he's paired up with Unlimited Hangout to keep his investigations going! And I know every time I criticize AI on this show, I get some shit about being a hypocrite because I use it for the intro video and make songs with it but its technology that is so broad that I don't feel guilty using it round out production of the show

1:04:31 If you've never seen the intro videos, I think they're quite nice. I switch up the clips pretty often but i do stick with this old black and white 1950s Twilight Zone aesthetic and if I had the resources in the budget to actually make that stuff the old-fashioned way I would but I think it adds a little bit more to the overall production of the show but The Star is still the human content The Star are still the interviews and always will be Even though they're trying to replace me, but just because I have a podcast distributed over the internet doesn't mean I can't criticize the internet or because I use some wireless technology in my house. I can't talk about the harms if I have to avoid all fast food forever to point out how bad it is then i'll never be able to talk about processed food you know we're living in this system it's nice to call it out but we're also victims of it sometimes so

1:05:32 I think phasing out teachers and raising children on AI companion systems is fucking disgusting and gross. But not at all the same as what i'm doing, but everyone has their own opinion and has to draw their own line Tim Dillon actually did a great bit recently about the ICE shootings in Minneapolis saying that those videos of the deaths of Good and Pretty, I don't know if any this is real. But those videos are going around boardrooms right now saying hey we don't want this! We need to cut human error out of the equation of policing

1:06:13 Robots and drones won't make these mistakes. Robots and drones won't react out of fear or adrenaline, so the people are the problem And this is going to happen across all strata of life. Use a Waymo, they're safer than these idiots on the road staring at their phone you could just stare at your phone and let the machine drive you Let AI be the teacher because teachers do a lot of bad things and instead of taking away the screens let's just make the screens the teacher! And we can make sure everyone gets the same level of attention and no kids being neglected and no teachers will do the bad things

1:06:53 Just watch. I think we all can see the writing on the wall in that regard, so i just think that in schools it deserves a little extra attention but okay well what a week right? Epstein Week! Wow you might have seen my tweet asking if i should do something on this as a solo show or even on the subreddit someone was asking And of course, whenever I ask should I do this? People just say yes. Cause they want more content in general. I get that. But if I do that then something else is getting put on the back burner and really did a lot of diving into this. I looked, I spent a whole day basically combing through the stuff myself and we are a conspiracy show. This is a big data dump that were preoccupied with. This is kind of in some ways the smoking gun

1:07:47 Maybe not the gun but the smoke i don't know what's right before a smoking gun that's better than we were. Before I don't know but obviously it has moved the needle let's say and when i look through all this stuff myself they don't make it easy because almost any word you search is gonna have hundreds of results because there's millions documents And you can only look at 10 per page and there's many, many emails that have double or triple entries. So you're clicking that next button just so much and of course she just never know what the truth is either but they say there are 6 million files and they've only released 3.5 plus there's just still so many redactions this is interesting but I've seen a few emails where randomly the word don't is redacted anything hmmm that's weird

1:08:38 But it's been deduced that they probably made a filter for every which way you could reference Trump and that includes Don T. So then don't also gets caught up by the filter, just one of those dumb little things. The fact that you think you can release 3 million documents from this sort of person in this sort of inner circle communication and not accidentally reveal a bit too much? I mean, that's crazy! But I did also hear that the day they released the files, they pulled back a lot too. And that I can vouch for because oddly weird as I am the first term I searched for thinking about that Clinton email was Gilgamesh and initially I had like 30 or 40 results and I was going to come back to it and go through all of them but a few hours later i searched Gilgamesh again and only got one result some random newsletter that referenced the epic of Gilgamesh so

1:09:34 They definitely did pull back some stuff. But it's not really stuff we didn't already know, even if we're getting it a bit more validated I am a bit surprised to see the mainstream now realizing that its more than just billionaires wanting to have sex with young teenagers There is plenty of baby stuff in there too Some women names redacted are writing to tell Epstein about their child who was just born Is he the child's father? Are they selling him these kids from birth is this part of the pregnancy, child production pipeline that we've heard about. Who knows I think probably but they also use the pizza code a lot okay yes vindicated once again because what adult especially a rich adult would use The term pizza parties do you think they even eat pizza wouldn't that be slop for the masses

1:10:31 But even so, you would just say, Hey that was a good party yesterday man. You don't say I enjoyed the pizza party it's weird phraseology and that's just good to see because pizzagate was so mocked and Epstein wasn't even really connected to that but now it's penetrating the mainstream that is a real code people are starting to see that cannibalism as a part of this too It's interesting to see the response from people who never considered that And that old video, I think a lot of us have seen this long ago. But there was a video that was coming out of a model who ran out from this hotel, ran out into the streets and she's not speaking English. It's either French or Spanish, but she's saying, oh my God they're eating people. They're eating flesh. She goes, I promise I did not know about that. The murders yes, but not eating

1:11:31 And to me that is just so telling. I mean, I believe that video is true because she says yeah, I knew about the murders. I mean come on yeah, I knew they were killing people but eating? That's too far! And to me, that is just a little bit of nuance that makes the whole thing believable. Now the story is that she was never seen again and that she got whisked off into some car and was gone. I don't know much about her or how to follow up in any sense, but that's out there people are now looking at that with new eyes

1:12:10 So I don't want to go through everything that people are finding right now in this wrap up of an unrelated show. But I will say that I did find one thing myself that I haven't seen anywhere else again, with the weird word searches, I searched the word wizard and I got an interesting result. Epstein was going back and forth with Woody Allen's wife daughter to book a screening of a new Woody Allen film. And Epstein says to her, By the way, I think Woody would really enjoy meeting my bio-wizard who has figured out a way to keep dogs alive for 100 years or more. Despite Woody hating dogs... and I looked that up too he is known for disliking dogs but he says despite Woody hating dogs there is hope to be able to greatly expand human lifetimes within a decade. All said at dinner and that was 2014 so we're in it people

1:13:10 And I thought about this, how do you know dogs can live for 100 years? Did you start the work a hundred years ago is the bio wizard 100 years old. Either way i'm in it to hear some of the weirder stuff like that actually does intrigue me as opposed to just all the darkness that we've known for decades was happening I'm sure in this month's in the weeds, I can pull out some of the best fines and just go through them kind of quickly. But really there's just people out there that are so much faster than me. I've never been the primary guy. I like to synthesize and summarize a collection of material usually in the form of a book, but an archive of Epstein emails works just fine, but still I'll let other people do the combing through the journalism stuff. And then I will summarize the best of the best

1:14:02 And I have mixed feelings because on one hand, it sort of feels like a distraction from something. And then there's still just so many redactions and it's this whole thing of getting excited over a slow drip, drip drip that just makes me feel manipulated and strung along. So I'll let the other people sift through it all and we'll talk about what the best finds are later on And I like to do other things too, when a certain topic is dominating all conversations. And I think the next thing you'll see in the feed is a book report on Charles Ford's Book of The Damned. I already reread the book and I wrote out my outline and I think it's pretty good so I just need to take the time to actually record it

1:14:50 But in higher side news, we got a lot of THC reviews to get into. I think talking about the plus reviews will still be an interview wrap up activity but i'm not going to just skip the solo stuff. I can take it so We have the Gerald Pollack charged book report. I am proud of that! I even spun up a ton of slides to add to the visuals. I was psyched about it It worked out pretty well and plus people seem to dig it too they gave me a 4.9 Ah, I can't believe it. Pop the champagne. Wow again we almost never have interviews that score that high and we also have in the weeds episode one now i thought this was a pretty clever title for a clip show sub-brand of THC you know i thought a lot about ways to reframe and label the solo shows one hitters

1:15:46 A lot of dumb stuff that wasn't going to work, but in the weeds. I do think that's great for what it is cultural scrying doesn't really roll off the tongue you know? And this one i was a bit nervous about there were some critics that reduced it down to just me browsing twitter and maybe it didn't feel like it but i did try to curate a well-rounded diverse range of things and i tried to keep it moving So I guess it may have seemed low effort to some people, and i can only say that it wasn't. So again you're not going to please all the people all the time but an aggregate in The Weeds number one got a 4.7! And to me that is high enough to do it again. I think we'll end every month with one of these until people start liking it less But give me some time...I'll get faster at it and maybe I'll find some guest hosts and it might become your favorite thing

1:16:45 So a 4.7 and a 4.9 from my solo offerings, I think solo stuff was a good move now we also had the return of Harold Kautz Vela one of the most popular THC episodes from the past largely considered a classic. I know a lot of people were happy to look at their feed and see his return pop up but i think most people were less excited about the actual content and the updates and is latest focused on this multidimensional healing stuff. Again, mixed feelings because I think some of us are more intrigued by the dark and scary Oh the black goo came from space and it's taken over very provocative And then we're told actually it's going through a healing process and a lot of people are just like GAYYYY! You know? And I get it It's not as exciting or compelling

1:17:44 It sort of takes a right turn and shifts the whole vibe, but is it not good news that this isn't the problem that Harold thought it was eight years ago? Isn't it a good thing that some sort of integration process is unfolding. I it's you know whatever but I do think Harold is genuine and isn't trying to just spin a story for attention or it might've been more Epic. You know he might have just doubled down if he wanted to just be provocative But I also think these healers who do these sessions can get a little, what would be the right term? I guess they can get an elevated feeling of self-importance. Like his team is at the center of this big story turning the trajectory of the entire human timeline. I know he's talked about there being levels to it and it's not just as simple as I'm reducing it too but I still can't help but have that feeling a little bit

1:18:41 I think the most compelling stuff we talked about were the grays as future humans, trying to reach back through the timeline and tell us to protect our human genetics. As to not go down the CRISPR mRNA path because it turns us into them and they want to fix that. I don't know the logic of it. You know, that's not unusual to say that the grays are us from the future, but put in the context of the technocratic stuff, I was pretty compelled by it But I just think that if you were in that timeline towards the end of it, and we were all corrupted and we were these broken frail little gray weirdo bodies. These technocratic husks would our main concern be to go back and tell the people to not follow that path? I just think we'd be like, well, we're fucked how do we fix ourselves? You know but

1:19:41 It is an interesting premise and I do think I need to do a solo show on the Nick land stuff. Cause it's very adjacent, and he did just do a public talk with Curtis Yarvin which is probably boring but it might have some nuggets. I didn't find Nick land or Curtis Yarvin in the Epstein files but of course, Yarvin is funded by Peter Thiel and Peter Thiel all over that stuff. In fact The one phrase people are talking about is when Epstein says I represent the Rothschilds. Well, that is from an email sent to Peter Thiel it's almost like an introductory email between the two of them. That's a thing there so many little reveals in the Epstein files and not really any huge ones. So do we need to comb over every little thing? Another thing I found myself was that I always had this

1:20:36 impression of the Chris Tucker situation as he went on this flight with Kevin Spacey and Virginia Gu Frey's protege, as we talked about in the nobody's girl presentation. And he went to Africa and he probably engaged in some depraved stuff that he felt guilty about later. He saw some depraved stuff and then he left Hollywood and became a Christian I will always kind of maintained that narrative, but the Epstein files revealed that that is not true. I don't have the exact email with me right now, but Chris Tucker wrote Epstein years later about meeting up and I'm talking like six, seven years later. So he clearly wasn't turned off from Epstein by just that trip alone. And what's crazy is it's an email between

1:21:32 Epstein and one of his like assistance and the assistant says chris is here as well as a son so it's like you know if your gonna be late in your talking to your assistant, i'm gonna be there soon let me know if he gets their nices oh he's already here any brought us on that kind of the context of the situation so i looked up chris tucker sign what the hell. Chris tucker son is older probably in his twenties now he had a cameo and rush hour three so he was like eighteen at the time of that movie. So he brought his adult son to a meeting with ebstein probably too engage in some nasty shit and that's just sad me cuz i kinda liked chris tucker, can i could it least give him

1:22:21 Some grace that he went too deep and then retracted and became a Christian or some whatever, but that was sad. So little things like that, like I don't think I need to do a big solo show on the huge reveal that Chris Tucker maintained his relationship with Epstein way after that trip. But these little things that you can pepper in do somewhat add up to a big thing? I dunno so much to do so little time But enough of me trying to soften the blow. The Harold Kautzweil interview got a 4.4 want, want sad? Very sad. I hope the general consensus is that an update from him was appreciated it wasn't exactly wasted time, but the next chapter in the black goose story just isn't as satisfying as the first that's probably how I would feel as a listener. I'd have gotten excited to see it

1:23:21 My memories of the first interview would have came rushing back. And then I ultimately would have thought, eh, that was fine. I think a 4.4 constitutes fineness so it is what it is. I think interviews might continue to get outranked by my own material and I still find that to be so weird when I'm rolling with it. The numbers don't lie But big ups to John and his dedication to trying to educate people on what is happening in education. I wish we could do more to stop it. I wish we had better alternatives, really? I'd love to stop it fully but we can't make people see a problem they don't want to see and on this show We talk all the time especially since COVID about parallel living and parallel economies

1:24:12 It does happen with food and medicine. You most likely can go to the neighborhood organic grocer or find a holistic health person when you need one, but alternative schools are just lacking and homeschooling is not as feasible as it sounds A lot of people want to homeschool because it's about control and reducing outside influence on their kids. I don't really come from that perspective except for a couple of very specific influences, but I think other adults in their lives is a good thing, but they just have to be quality people. Oh, I dunno either way. I appreciate John greatly let's go to the meetup calendar

1:24:57 All right. Saturday, February 14th that is Valentine's day we got woo tree night at the U tree in, in Stoke on Trent United kingdom and then we also got February 21st the backbone bar in Turgan gold coast Queensland Australia gotta love it March 7th Rosa Cretion park meet and greet in San Jose California And then March 9th North coat point, Auckland New Zealand men. They're getting into it internationally and then check this out Saturday March 14th poor house barbecue can not in new Hampshire a nudists barbecue and bonfire at the Barter town resort Okay Let your freak flag fly I will say that it says on here that is for

1:25:51 Voluntarianism, people who are into that and conscious libertarianism. That's good. So have some fun wear clothes if you want but you don't have to sew a little light going all the way through March with only five events and most of them being out of the U S but there it is if you feel that you could use some extra juice in your local social network circles, it's there for ya And that's the show. Thanks for listening, sign up for plus if you want to hear the second hour with John or a second hour of in the weeds are all sorts of stuff we got going on right now and the higher side chats.com it is what it is take care of you and yours I've done my part your move AI educators digital everything advocates and school world order implementers your fucking move

1:26:43 I blew another first date Where i told myself, I'd keep it light She may not be as awake as me But we can have a good time staying up tonight She was giving look Things were starting to cook but then she ruined the fun And I just couldn't bite my tongue How could you think they handled COVID well? Those masks were just for compliance Had nothing to do

1:27:21 take yikes you know that was all fake if you got the jab I told myself she may not start in a cup, she ruined the gender drip engineered for Sandy Hook it's when you look where i told myself i'd keep she making out with Nick cause she ruined the fuck just couldn't buy hands aint real

1:28:48 Is that because you realize there's a disclosure game being played by shady intelligence guys? Cause beings have been here for not just since 1947, it was any other first date where I told myself I'd keep. We can have good times but then she ruined the fun