John Klyczek | School World Order, Edu-Conditioning, & The Technocracy

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the fireside chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a- I'm Greg Carlwood

01:27 These are the Hireside Chats. Coming in hot, Hireside Chatters! From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and while we might talk about false flags, deceptive marketing screen addiction chemtrails unhealthy food the various players of the Capstone Cabal or the Rockefeller Rothschild debt-based system rule there are few factors as impactful on a society as its education system Because it's our access to knowledge and how we think about thinking that determines whether or not we'll drink the system's Kool-Aid, or get caught in its many traps. It is our discernment reasoning and logic that either lets us know to read between the lines of our corrupt system, Or the lack of these skills that has one waiting in line to cast a vote for Joe Biden

02:12 It's even this foundation that determines if we ever really find our true will, or if we get caught up in a meaningless cog-in-the-wheel job for the megacorporations that would rather suck out your potential than have it realized. That dear people is why the Empire has put so much effort into controlling the youth, dumbing us down building a pipeline of obedient workers and as todays guest John Klyzak puts it teaching us what to think rather then how to think Well, we've talked about the education system before and if you thought it couldn't get any worse you are wrong. Because what John's new book School World Order The Technocratic Globalization of Corporatized Education does is build on that background of great education advocates like Charlotte Iserbyt and John Taylor Gatto and breaks down the next stages of the schooling systems master plan. If

03:02 If you don't know John, he has a Master of Arts in English and has taught college rhetoric and research argumentation for over seven years. His literary scholarship concentrates on the history of global eugenics in Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. He is also a contributor to the Center for Research on Globalism and several alternative news websites but But that is not all, folks. John also holds a black belt in classic taekwondo and is a certified Muay Thai kickboxing instructor And with that class is in session so let's get into it Here he is the technocracy resisting teacher The school world order exposer and a passionate advocate for what's left of our children's minds John welcome to the higher side Hey Red thanks for having me man That was a great introduction

03:49 Thanks man, I try. And I have been looking forward to this ever since Chris Milligan mentioned your book as one of the new releases from Trine Day when i talked to him last year Now that I've read the book it's definitely impressive It's a pretty ironclad case for some scary applications of technology into the classroom Everything is sourced and the end notes are Pretty much a book on their own and it seems like you've outlined the next phase of the agenda as well as anyone could i guess to kick this off tell us about the creation of the book your definitely in good company with some other trying day authors that use source yeah so.

04:29 Well it kinda started off kind of has really just can i came about education was not necessarily something. I planned on writing about because that's where i work and when i feel like poopoo right sleep so to speak but at the time when i wrote one of the first articles that became with first chapters in the book, I'm in Illinois and governor Bruce rounder was basically stalling on the budget and what was happening with since he wasn't passing a budget we couldn't get funding for education. And essentially what i saw it was a scheme to bankrupt public education, enter there by fill up with privatized education and brown himself is a big proponent of what they call school choices you from isn't for corporatization schooling through charter schools are things like that will break out later

05:17 he actually owns his own charter school as well so what i saw happening there made its way to my front door and one of my departments actually got shut down and it just started off kind of like, let me just write about this if you know maybe education is going in this direction. I had plugged some of the research of charlotte thompson-izerbeet in the article i had also noticed that bruce rauner was big on a lot of buzzwords the charlotte warned about for many years so one of them was school choice and she said to you from ism for the corporate station schooling through charter schools, vouchers education savings accounts tax credits for tuition things like that. The other one is use the phrase called cradle two career which is a euphemism for workforce training it's to replace academics with work force training. And so i saw those things kinda going down and no i saw the economic situation i can put all together in this piece

06:14 And Charlotte actually ended up writing me. I guess she read it, it was on News with Views and at first I'm looking at the email and thinking like oh this has got to be a virus or scan this can't be her For whatever reason I couldn't find your email I wanted to send it to her but I couldn't find it I am not that good at social media stuff I'm getting better I'm learning So she reached out to me we just became friends ever since She helped me encouraging me also just partnering with me sending research all the time sending articles all of the time What's funny lot of times would be like i'm working on something that i had mentioned and she would send me something to plug right into it at the same time i was also reading anthony sutton is introduction to the order of skull and bones america secret establishment.

06:59 and at the time i know that school in bones were influential in world war two things like that i didn't know they were very influential education actually the first chapter in that book is all about how the order controls education And i saw basically the implementation of hegelian is a mat work in this problem reaction solution scenario okay so that's going bones as one of these organizations that basically promoted again is america the philosophy of helium isn't. And what are those tenets of the galley and was basically that history progresses through ideas, ideas that conflict okay you call one idea the main idea of the time is the thesis

07:42 The opposing ideas usually are called the antithesis. Okay, these two different opposing ideas they clash and then through this class or this conflict comes a synthesis right in the colloquial world we might know this as problem reaction solution so you create the problem Elicit a reaction and therefore you can bring in the solution and this is kind of what i saw happening with the bankruptcy of public education creating that crisis to basically offer privatization as the solution so it fit right. And come to find out though as i'm writing actually, the reason that anthony sudden actually even wrote that book or knew anything about your school bones because

08:24 He got that information from Charlotte Isserby, her father and grandfather were both bones men. And she basically leaked to Sutton the black books And the black books are these address books that all bones men get after they graduate. So you should understand, you know, school and bones is a senior society which means that it's not a freshman society meaning it's not meant to socialize or fraternize on campus during the years of your education It's meant to socialize or create social relationships as you leave college and those are relationships with a lot of old money families You got stuff like The Vanderbilts, The Whitneys, The Cabots

09:05 And then you got others recognizable like Rockefeller, but that's kind of more of a new money family. But these old money families and then later new money families... through those address books they basically have a network to consolidate their businesses and things like that so when you get the address book it doesn't have people's names also has no what is your profession, i think like that sorry looking for lawyer are you looking for finance here are you looking for somebody that's in the mining industry. Okay and to make sure you networking proper circles such as books to sudden and sudden basically realize what he had a problem figuring out when you wrote some academic tomes called western technology and soviet economic development three volume series that you roll is that stanford the hoover institute

09:54 And basically he was looking at how the west us in particular influence the development of industrial technological development of russia. During bolshevik revolution and also during the cold war never made sense to him because i figured right if we're with these people why are we helping them from his research basically, It shows that you know the large would have been able to build up without a silly basically created the enemy. I never made sense to him until he picked up and look at those names in the order of skull and bones because what if i was names that correlated with certain banks and other industries did finance, the soviet union someone would be in the russian bank and i think guarantee trust is one of my no guarantee trust was involved in funding the nazis it might have been both five might be skewing that fact as i speak

10:45 It's a tangled web it's very tangled the precise documentations in the book right it's about almost five hundred page book is three hundred fifty pages of reading the rest of it is citation those are the actual bibliography was wrong government sources. Journals you know mainstream news and things like that accepted as credible mainstream academia but what sudden found Basically was that the order was this you could put it over all these weird things that shouldn't make sense in the seeming contradictions in the world of geopolitics. But if you lay the orders going bones over with a philosophy of galley and is problem reaction solution, it all made sense i'm figuring out these connections as i am writing and as i'm coming in contact with charlotte that chris milligan my publisher trying to

11:37 I'm still not interview with him on the opera in report and he's the one that published sudden america secret establishment. Republish it was published prior to that there is all kinds of mercantile games and censorship did they kept it off a lot of bookshelves and then basically wanna print chris like you have to say this and so they republish that man him and chrissie became research partners And they wrote another book called fleshing out skull and bones which is an excellent home on not just a sudden work but i can't remember other offers such as what's your car playing people like that. No it was something you want research to came in really handy for me because now he have all the names of all the people in the black books and who their basically associated with all the address names,

12:28 What you had listed in alphabetical order and also by year so no depending on what you're looking for like i got through these look that name for name. Over several days it comes in handy but i found madden so i figured that i asked charlotte to forward the request to chris that kind of publish what i had going together and it kinda worked out that when i was writing in what i've written has basically been right next to you know the original sources so as you mentioned based largely on something works and charlie is a beast delivered down america.

13:05 So yeah that's how it came about and you know i like to think that i'm carrying the torch of all the great work at those three have done standing on their shoulders yes yes great company here and i think its are really smart application this research because of course people know as We get older we sometimes aren't as clued in on new technology and the things that are happening to younger generations and not is basically, where your book picks up i mean it's got the history in there but its really this latest phase the technological application of these philosophies this alien. Philosophy in school system and a it's scary is pretty impactful and

13:53 So sometimes in conspiracy culture, we talk about agendas and players long after their influence has waned. Sometimes we make our own boogeyman after the power is kind of fizzled out but we do see agents of skull and bones working on this technocratic phase of education even today right? Oh yeah absolutely so today If I could give a little background. Yes, please. Because the main person I can refer to now is Mnuchin, Skull and Bones' treasury secretary. Okay? His is kind of indirect because what he's done is he helped a lot with Trump's tax cuts, Tax Cuts and Jobs Act which some people call the Tax Cuts in Robots Act because there's something called The Full and Immediate Expensing Clause which basically works like this okay when you buy new equipment

14:43 as a business, okay? That equipment will depreciate over time and over time you can write off that depreciation. The full and immediate expensing clause enables you in the coming years if you buy new equipment, you can write off full depreciation that first year." So basically what a lot of economists have looked at suggests is that what it will do incentivize automation because you can basically buy for however many millions of dollars this robot or the software program that can automate a bunch your labor and although it would cost more than it would pay your labor force for that year, you're gonna get all that money back at the end and then you gotta basically cut out all that labor expenditure from there forth.

15:25 That would play into the education because it would obviously write incentivize the automation of some of these what they call adaptive learning software which are based on that skinner box ok bf skinners teaching machine which is based on psychological conditioning principles of behaviorism. In particular operant conditioning which is a progression of behaviorism but it all goes back to the stuff called stimulus response conditioning, which came from the father of psychology as a laboratory science name phil helm what this would basically back us all way up to the point where i was gonna start instead of backing out so. There was a psychology starts with bill helms went and basically before that psychology was discipline philosophy in so you know

16:12 Large immense studying of the solar psyche ok but you know. Basically took an empirical process never gonna be able to measure that thing so what you gonna do is we can sort of measure whatever the essence of a person is based on their behaviors and we can reshape that essence by reshaping their behaviors, and we reshape their behaviors based on the social environment. So behaviors are responses to your environment. The environment is broken down into different what he called stimuli, and then you have responses to those stimuli Okay, basically this is the beginning of stuff like Pavlov's dog with classical conditioning People don't remember that story. It's basically right you can condition associations between unnatural stimuli by associating them with natural stimuli and then you transfer whatever is the response to the natural stimulant to the unnatural

17:06 So Pavlov demonstrated that a natural stimuli of food would make the dog salivate. If you rang the bell, it would then associate the bell with the food eventually. You can ring the bell without the food and since the dog associated the bell with the food it would salivate and so this basically becomes the principle for education It's transferred over to the American university system, the American education system by this guy Daniel Quate Gilman and then two others Andrew Dixon White and Timothy Dwight. These three are what Sutton refers to as the troika of skulls bones they helped set up the early university system that is they setup Gilman in particular was first president at Johns Hopkins University Cornell and Cal Berkeley

17:51 They set those trip together maybe one of those is the president might scramble some of those details there but they all basically promote not just a gallon ism what went in stimulus response psychology. Okay Basically that is carried on later it gets passed down from g stanley hall who gillman hires at johns hopkins university. He passes it down to john dewey basically pushes it at the university of chicago and columbia university he has a student. John b wattson who basically comes up with this thing called behaviorism also applies it to advertising

18:31 and then there's also el ford i who comes out of the same tradition the same school at columbia university on el ford is a guy that popularizes what he called the puzzle box experiments this is the beginning of putting rats in mazes things and their some objective you want to get any condition it to get back objective based on not just. A vague association between single stimulus and response but through series of punishments and rewards associating punishment and reward with the stimulus response BF Skinner picks that up and he applies it to the modern computer, back then it was the teaching machine. He just added some other quadrants to the punishment reward system and then basically suggested that

19:15 He literally said he could make a pigeon a high achiever on the proper schedule. So, he comes up with the teaching machine and this is pushed by skull-and-bones man McGeorge Bundy. So Gilman, Dwight & White pass it down to McGeorge Bundy around the 60s. The teaching machine which for BF Skinner was this analog thing like you can look at Smithsonian website see pictures of it. It's kind of like the old Viewmasters if you remember the viewmaster thing right that used to get these little discs and had pictures a Disney scenes or whatever cartoon on it, put in his goggles he hold the goggles up your face and they pull this slide and rotates the disc and you see a different picture time

19:52 Well put on that disk questions if you have to answer and then you can only go one way with the rotation so as you go through your dad for these questions that are the stimulus your answers response and then. Hey actually somebody's machines would have chocolate things that they would dispense if u got right answers reward punishment or lack of rewards And so he figured that this was a way that you could teach people. Well, you just take that and remove all the analog stuff like gears and wheels and all of that and make it digital and turn those into windows on computer screens and thats your modern teaching computer which is called adaptive learning software which runs on stimulus response psychological conditioning principle that can be promoted through munich tax cuts in jobs act

20:40 Damn that is a whirlwind but that really is the background the history of education and we can see these behaviorist techniques apply to school pretty easily using the bells as pavlovian training conditioning us for life of clock in clock out Watching the country slowly drift lower and lower across the educational categories, this idea of workforce training we often think of it as something from back in a day like assembly line. Teaching people just listen for that work whistle go to lunch and then come back for another four hours of screwing this bolt onto this piece of metal

21:23 It's not like we have a family lines anymore necessarily but it definitely seems like this idea of workforce training is just mask does education and this isn't necessarily new it's just kind of a, i knew application of this old behaviorist thinking is that fair to say. Yeah actually you know i can't wait to some of the other points which analog would be assembly line on like sort of a factory production system, will they have a new pedagogy it's fancy word for teaching philosophy call career pathways. So basically instead of having the liberal arts academic tradition of learning you know the trivia in the quadrivia three language are traditional math and science arts

22:06 You basically get put on a career path that's based on a predetermined job that you're going to work this goes with the philosophy called competency base education. Or outcomes based education and basically flip sides of the same coin or different versions of each other so i'll come as base education says we teach people, based on predetermine outcomes okay so basically we have an outcome did we want the student to reach prior today And then that usually means a particular job or particular set of jobs skills well as you mentioned right there whistle system which is the bell system, let go to what was called taylor's sky taylor back in the industrial period basically scientific method.

22:53 You broke it down to make people not just make the assembly line more efficient but actually get more labor out of people and compartmentalize what you're doing. So that just gets transferred to the career path so you only have to learn enough to perform your job and nothing beyond that, okay? And this is the competency based part. So if you have a particular outcome which is for a particular industry they predetermined you are suitable for And then you're only gonna be taught to be just competent enough to do that job and they're not going to give you anything else outside of that because, you know, that would make things not run as smoothly. Right? You might be not happy pulling your lever or pushing your button or clicking your keyboard or whatever...you might have higher aspirations and higher thoughts so yeah it fits right into there

23:41 They refer to it as a conveyor belt system in the Harlem Children's Zone. It is big charter school system. Man, this is all such great info and its funny how if we're looking at the previous age we would say that the state shouldn't control education that the government shouldn't be able to take our kids and force them to be in this school system eight hours a day until adulthood but But now, I mean it's looking like the better option compared to privatizing it for technocratic corporate control. Talk to us about how this should concern us, this pivot and how these corporations are weaseling into education because you gave the background and it's like well... The state shouldn't control this but I guess its lesser of two evils in a sense

24:34 Yeah, so there's a couple things there. So how do the corporations get in is one question because I do advocate for basically saving the public education system or defending it but i do look at right the history of compulsory education which was also set up by Skull and Bones that's Alfonso Taft at Antioch College Horace Mann people like that based on Fickian and Hegelian philosophy And you're right there is what the state controls will be used for the states benefit What is the public sector vs the state right and i don't just say that flippantly like you're gonna have a mouse would say something like, the public is actually separate from both the state and the private ride will be something like the commons.

25:19 I'm not saying you know we can actually get that far back to that type of a public education system but ultimately my solution is local control at some level and requires. Some sort of a public sphere now you know the one use harbormers commons definition or something it has a closer relationship to what would traditionally called state apparatus you know either level That is the scenario where the individual person, the individual citizen has the most control over the curriculum and what their kids learn. So that's why that needs to be preserved in some state and protected from the corporatization. The corporatization as we mentioned... Well there are two layers to that. We talked about the first one first which is actually privatization of schools themselves this means turning them into charter schools

26:08 Which are basically public private it's different from just a private school where you know you pay your own cash and then it separate from the government scenario. The corporatization of schooling means you have a private company that takes government tax dollars to subsidize it. And then the students or the parents also pay tuition, so it's both of those combined. This is essentially what I would call fascism and this is what Charlotte called it when she was at the Department of Education and she saw Reagan's Private Sector Initiative in, you know, she says people looked at her and kind of said oh we didn't think about it like it was fascism Charlotte but I don't know how else you could think about it because

26:45 Using muslimi start i know people said it's a powerful but its come to be used ubiquitously for largely what we refer to only talk about fascism minus the ethnic part in the nationalist part which is it's the merger of government and corporate sector. And that's neither public nor private. So you don't have rights as a citizen and you don't have any rights to tell the company what they're doing unless your employed there, and then you still are right? You don't have rights like a citizen there either okay so that happens through the charter schools but it also happens through the vouchers system. That means basically what their doing is you can get a voucher and then you can take that voucher so the government is going to give you some money usually federal sometimes we have state vouchers

27:31 And they're going to give you this money and you're gonna take that money to pay for tuition wherever you want to go if you want to take your child out of the public school system. Okay, but with that voucher then means that private school let's say it was a parochial school right? It could have been an old religious school Catholic School or something. Right when they start taking that voucher money They got federal money they're subject to federal jurisdiction So now you know if you took your children there to get out of the public school system or out of better said the government School system you're not because by taking the voucher and the federal money there You're taking the federal policies with it

28:07 Down the road this has more pernicious effects in the sense that it can basically destroy. The public governance of education because charter schools just like any company right there subject to the corporate council there is no elected body for a charter schoolers know we liked it school board so essentially it will get rid of. Elected school boards are the guy his name's reid hastings he did this with a ted talk thing was a ted talk does a big Presentation on what he calls self perpetuating governance and this is the model that's used for charter schools in the funds charter school all kinds of charge will be set up your school board in california.

28:46 He said it's better than elected school boards because elected school boards are messy because people disagree and then if you finally got somebody good in for four years, they might vote them out for some reason. Then you have to start all over again and say hey it's better to self-perpetuate the policy so that you can keep moving forward with whatever progress your making. So this public private merger of the corporate sector and private sector education also takes I guess it would look more like the communist version as opposed to the fascist version but they're still public private, it's still a merger of government and business.

29:22 And those are what are called community schools, okay? A full service community schools. And those have to actually have mental health components and criminal justice components according to the Every Student Succeeds Act if you want to get grants from the federal government under the Every Student Succeeds Act which replaces the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1960 so it's the main federal law overseeing public education You have to have those components in your community school They don't have to only be facilitated through the federal level. At the state level, you have these things called P-16 or P-20 councils and basically these are state level councils that have legal stipulations for the same connections between education mental health and criminal justice. The p 16 refers to preeducation or preschool up to age sixteen

30:17 they started adding the twenty right so that means after you graduated your traditional high school education which means. It's into your adulthood and this parallels with something called united nations lifelong learning pedagogy, i'm funny enough if you look in the uk they have something to parallel is that call the post sixteen skills And so basically what you're seeing then is right at the state and federal levels globally, you'd have these different versions of what are called the UN's lifelong learning policies. Which is going to mix together international standards through public private partnerships largely ran by private companies. Yeah man just so much information and we can definitely see how

31:05 A publicly elected school board is way better than these p sixteen p twenty corporate controlled councils and it's like. You know despite everything they tried to set up with education initially the human factor still survive we all had inspirational teachers in an uninspired system and it's like what's going on now is a new phase of refinement of the same old control agenda they just have better tools now. And it's like there eliminating that human factor their eliminating the,

31:42 Local school boards who might be altruistic and actually care about their kids education and if you can put it right into the hands of the corporations, it's just such a dirty trick. And its gonna be a lot more cold calculated and effective to get that agenda through like he said you take the government money now your subject to government control And who is in these government positions? Well, it's the agents of the corporations because it's the same old revolving door that we see and GMOs or the FDA. The EPA It's like you get the corporations in there with the agencies that are supposed to police these sectors of society and then you get the full on corporate rollout. And it's just crazy that I don't hear that many people talking about it in schooling but you're nailing it man

32:32 Yeah, I should have added to it. There's another angle is that so you know you're essentially then subsidizing not just the private corporate schools You're also subsidizing the larger private industry that funnels into those career pathways So through these career pathways they also usually have not just hey, we're going to predetermine based on your psychometric and your biometric algorithms that you are only suitable for job A B or C. It's not just that but it's you are suitable for this particular company based on what is in demand for industry in your local area okay so another part of removing the elected school boards is regional governance so through these different P20s right? You don't only have the removal of the locally elected school board

33:17 But you start to regionalize things, you start to regionally plan how the various schools in that region are going to coordinate each other's curriculums based on the larger industries in those regions. And those are basically going to be pumped into not your small mom and pop business. These are gonna be the large multinational chains. So you're also subsidizing their workforce training. You're paying for them what they should be paying for their own in-house training for their own workers. You're doing that as well. it really is the same old philosophy that the elite carry which is this top down, empirical management this idea that well they need us to do what we're doing otherwise it would just be chaos out there they need our guidance they need our systems and we need a micromanage every little aspect of their lives

34:08 not only for our own profits, but because people are stupid and they don't do what we want them to do. And it's just the same backwards thinking this elitism that we really just need to get away from." Yeah and another thing about that is, you know Hegel, another part of Hegel's philosophy was that he literally said the state is God marching on earth. So for Hegel he basically a pantheist right? They would say Pan-antheists or they would say there are lot people who'd say well they're like a layer to transcendent being but largely god is coming down into all the contradictions, right? And for him God was also reason and logos not in the way that I would use it or the classical philosophers would use it but more of a pantheist sense that through these contradictions because informal logic you know there are contradictions can't exist. But for Hegel truth came through contradictions is true

35:02 And so the state was a perfect merger of whatever contradictions you had in the different spheres of the society, whether it be social stratification or caste system or whatever. So in that sense he said that the state is God marching on Earth because it is basically the physical material and energy manifestation of that transcendent thing through these different forces working together on this plane here under this material plane And another part of that don't meant that he had the slave master concept work ok so that would be an example of contradictions or these opposing forces but.

35:42 Hegel basically saw it as like this union, that the slave and the master were somehow part of this yin and yang. And they benefited from each other despite what the slave might tell you from his own perspective right? So in those two elements of his philosophy that the state is God when you merge the state with the corporate you can also say that corporations are god And that you know your workforce slaves, that they're supposed to be there. That it's a nice neat little unity and like you said its good for society because it keeps everything running smoothly and if you just give liberty let everybody have their own transcendent logos basically thats gonna cause chaos in society will crumble so we have to control it in that way

36:26 Well said yes the dynamic of slave master and how their philosophy as well it's beneficial for the slaves people wanna be controlled exactly the kind of thing i was talking about. I wanted to ask you a little bit more about who is responsible for some of this stuff today we hear that gates foundation so often but we have other players in other tangled webs of nefarious connections, What concerns you most? What players are the ones we should be watching out for today, people like Betsy DeVos I would assume. Yeah a lot of the key companies are pushing a lot of the technologies and might not be some of them most well known but certainly that's the divorce is one because not only she write the secretary education, what she has. A lot of shares in was once sitting on the board of a company called your court

37:20 This is a biofeedback company that basically also works with these digital therapies for ADHD. And this is the host of other companies, they're in this field called social emotional learning okay we can expand on it and another time but other companies that I would say are important contemporarily would be like IBM okay it's got the Watson if you haven't seen commercials for this if you look at commercials It's essentially an AI program because everything from finance to security education okay partners with Pearson that's another one a big one piercing education. Facebook facebook is not the one on facebook is developing virtual reality and augmented reality technologies neural link,

38:08 which is you must bring computer interface company with i know that it's got the prototype ready when i heard a story, that he saying should be commercially viable by the end of this year so its not just right first you mentioned on joe rogan any showed you did this presentation show to the actual device hooked up to this giant computer that sticks in your head and now you say that i guess we'll buy one by the end of this year. Basically brain ship is a simpler way to say it. Others that would be important like the gates foundation, gates foundation is not proper organization you know what's based on the microsoft fortune and by way of my office another company fits in here

38:50 Gates foundation i mean every chapter basically the gates foundation i went through there. Grant when we throw individually and look for anything related school choice vouchers adaptive learning software p twenty council school to work all these things in a got tons of grants every chapter you'll find something about, the gates foundation the gates foundation what they do is essentially it's another step in the history of How does whole thing came about which is true non profit organizations basically funding not just the school system itself and compulsory education but in particular stimulus response, pedagogy and workforce training methodology inside these institutions include the rockefeller foundation.

39:36 Before i came up with this rockafeller foundation has several different philanthropies besides that the first one was the general education board in the general education board. One of the people that sat on mat was daniel quake gilman ok and then also should be noted that percy rockefeller is a bones man okay so both gillman, and rockefeller are essentially bones men families both of them are involved in the non profit funding all this stuff That's what i get past the gates from me to rockefeller foundation still does a lot of general education board is no longer functioning. But the gates foundation really at least in public high is really took up the mantle of non profit funny i should also mention the ford foundation is another one and then other bones men associate with the four foundation. Is

40:25 How hard harold how there goes i want to say our q's like this and herald how the second. Man man so much stuff and it really is concerning me even just online schools that simple way to remove the human component removed the teacher completely, end it all going this crazy way and the more you can get kids to adopt these technologies in the classroom because they must, the more you can push transhumanist type agendas. I mean not to mention just a simple fact that i don't want my kids on an iPad at school because of the screen addiction and the way it rewires your brain chemistry for more efficient marketing AND the increased EMF exposure! Should 50 kids in a classroom have these iPads?

41:17 you know, right over the reproductive systems? I'm not so sure they should. And what can you do to get out of it and that's the thing as we're wrapping this up...I have heard you talk about the book before in other interviews and how you were going to end it with this transhumanist stuff that we were just talking about and Chris is like whoa whoa whoa! You can't just destroy a person's faith in the future. I mean you got to give them some hope Just as you did in the book we should naturally end with some kind of solutions to this crazy nightmare What would you advise people? I mean, you are a teacher. You're on the inside if there's parents listening What would just say to them that they should even put their attention to or even fight for okay cool So solutions like broke down into like one two three four five should put numbers at five point eight

42:13 Simplified as much as possible program. Okay, let me give the overview of them first and then I'll do the details on each one. I ran out of time on the operative report when i did this so im gonna do it differently this time which is okay Maintain public control and local control means to save your elected school boards. The second part is to abolish the psychological conditioning method in the classroom, that means not just cell technologies and all of high tech stuff but right stuff you mentioned like the star and detention punishment reward system or bell system to compartmentalize hey we're thinking about this topic now when the bell rings turn that off and now let's only think about this other subject that type of

42:54 the third component is digital student privacy which means to either eliminate ban order at least highly restricted data mining of students cuz i am not a lot. What were you in this technology right now there wasn't for this internet all the stuff i would add a lot more time writing book and i wouldn't be able to share it and sell like i am so you know i'm not saying, destroy technology and tech i'm not saying that but we gotta find out if you're gonna use it at all needs to be ethically. So you know i know this type of tag has do some kind of data gathering just keep itself up in time obviously there's a limit there but when we start talking about personal student data needs to be stuff like

43:39 If you're talking about bio data, psychometric data this should be stuff that's classified as a medical record protected by HIPAA. Right? Shouldn't be able to be trading it around and making products off of it and creating policy based on them okay To the extent that some of that might have to sieve its way through...to the extent we want to use some of these technologies We should at least have a right to be forgotten This is a law certain states are looking at And were basically If you want a company that collects your cookies, or you can say hey I want to get rid of that. Or I don't want this on the web anymore and we know stuff can take its own life once it gets out there but right some avenue where again locally and individually We can control our data for ourselves and not have other people using it for profit things like that Alright so those are the first three And then the last two basically have to do with curriculum

44:36 Those first three are more about method, philosophy and governance. These two are more about curriculum so I want to go back to the trivium and the trivium you know in classical liberal arts we could add quadrivian there but i think that the ancients always did the trivia before the quadrivium because trivium is study of word quadrivium is study of number So you have quality before quantity You can't quantify nothingness right? One or 2 is an abstraction unless you attach it something like weight height The other thing is no most of the world weather your scientist are not languages the primary mode through which we make our way through society so. Classical trivia method had three parts okay that's grammar logic and rhetoric

45:24 My book goes into detail about how those are, those terms whatever you're thinking right now based on maybe your compulsory American education might be very simplified or dumbed down versions of what the classical philosophers would have understood by it. Okay but it's essentially the art of how to think instead of what to think right? General grammar is the art of basically identifying things giving them names And that creates an inductive process where you can find patterns. Okay formal logic is basically we're we can do this truth based on what we've observed what we name identified okay and base of formal logic right we can essentially find contradictions in our own but we can't find contradictions in our own thought we can think for ourselves right and we can sit through

46:09 All the data that's out there now i don't have to have an authority tell you stuff you know i should maybe say wait emphasize it's not in the book but. There is no better school of learning than school experience i know that benjamin franklin says that expensive school for fools who don't have any other abstract knowledge or training outside of that but dumping a bunch information into your head based on your teacher or whatever the syllabus says you need to remember and then just try it out. You know, rote memorizing that is not the same thing as having an understanding where you can apply it in your own daily life right? It's kind of what you're probably doing right now if you're checking out this podcast! So that should be grounded though in things like history and civics not social studies okay social studies isn't like this amorphous thing isn't grounded in any well

47:01 First causes which is my last point right it's a metaphysical curriculum so we know history meaning right we should know like. Who what where when and why how he got here a lot of stuff i talked about just like what we talk about with eugenics, If you want to know where we're going, and we're all on this river of time. We can't get off it and we're moving forward together and we gotta make decisions about how its going forward Well if you wanna know where were going, we have to know where we came from And if you could graph that on a line You could see the angle that its moving towards Then you can see stuff like hey This looks like that eugenics stuff from before I don't think I wanna do that okay? Civics is giving you specific tools To apply grammar logic in rhetoric to actually Wade through The public sphere right

47:44 Being able to handle yourself right at the local school board understanding state laws local laws you know getting out there and being. You know what i can't citizen activist that understands how the law works right now i mean even yours once upon a time when there was no bar system, there is no jd you know lincoln went to a loss quite done process stuff in one also i mean learning how the mechanisms of our public system works based on the history of how it came about. That needs to be grounded in the last principle, which is curriculum of consciousness studies that basically means metaphysics. So what I came to find is that one of things driving the transhumanist agenda here is empiricism, the empirical method and then leading into skepticism and then performance identity

48:37 Well the thing with empiricism is that you can only measure so much. 99 points and accuracy right that's your nature of induction to get a sample you can never measure the total you can only measure this so no matter how accurate is always a piece missing so you can never know the absolute truth So that means at that point you have to make a decision do you want to be a pragmatist which leads the performance identity which leads transhumanism which means it. There is no truth your idea there's nothing grounded what is human being you are no different than a, another corporate material, another commodity that can be manufactured and produced and interfaced with electronic devices. You're no different than that you're just all that so much smush. You can either take that route when you get to that place where your empiricism reaches its limitations or you can go back to the classical world of metaphysics right? New Age stuff that gets into all sorts of like supernatural stuff and different layers of deities and platonic forms instead it doesn't have to be that complex

49:38 It just means that there are some first principles, some first causes that we need to base our empiricism on so that we don't go into rabid skepticism and performance identity. This means stuff like transcendent values, okay? Like a priori values meaning like everybody has the right to make their own decisions about how they want to live. A priori meaning prior to what I measure not to measure in a bunch of people who'll go oh you're deserving of something but your not because i didn't measure you Before I measure any, before I see or observe somebody. I can say yes you have value in that you have the right to make your decisions about how you want to live That's based on stuff like natural law which comes from these metaphysical terms like The Greeks had the Logos The Chinese had the Tao The Hindus had the Urta You know later that would become the Dharma and Buddhism If you go back to the Persians they had the Asa And these are all ideas that reality is grounded in truth and this truth is transcendent

50:35 And that based on the truth you can actually know things a priori and then you can do things to put things in their proper order we have right living, where is the golden rule right if we were all basically put here by the same principle. Right which puts us in unified order and none of us asked to be here Transcendent we ended up here then we all are on a equal playing ground we all have the same right to make your own decisions and this is the philosophy that should guide how i'm gonna play with this technology if you're gonna mess with it wow man. That's such a great breakdown of some other solutions and i'm with ya there's definitely a lot of

51:15 logistical infrastructural things like the first few bullet points you mentioned there and then yes that last two are the things we really can bring into our kids lives. First hand i mean let's assume their a lot of parents out there listening who have kids in the grade school pipeline now They probably can't do much about that the kids have to go to school there probably working a job so they can't do homeschooling situation are their specific tools for say developing sound metaphysics or. Trivium tools that are geared for younger children that you know about people could maybe start implementing at home to offset some of the damage of the public school system

52:02 Well so you know i actually want to work on that actually wanna put something together like that and i've been really re engineering my own curriculum. No am i on academic training i didn't get all of that i went down the opposite of the classical trivia The best way i could put it would be a flash because the construction that's largely what i got to work my way back to this kind of on my own using all things and describing right, i can't largely talk myself is based on your digging around your business media you know he's got some good resources you can use chris likes trivia by the one books as publisher. There's one by miriam joseph that i have its little dance

52:43 I think it's a good crash course if you want to just like classical learning and history of philosophy and metaphysics and stuff like that. There is a guy, not in the conspiracy stuff or nothing i know of he teaches high school at a classical school And he's got these little lectures his name is Bruce Gore. I love this stuff because its for high school class but it's dense so like you know... It's accessible for anybody! I like to put them on sometimes when i'm trying to refresh bullet points on a philosopher if im foggy and you can click those and just watch those. Is christian guy so he's gonna give history religion too but that's important stuff should be part of what we study in the weekend have a discussion about, what are the first causes these things like the dow cs lewis referred to as the dollar knows christians would maybe rather prefer the term low cost

53:37 So those are some good online sources you can play with. There's a, I think the wooden books is a rather simplified version and hopefully one of these days i'm gonna put some resources on my website schoolworldorder.info and maybe make a book out of it but yeah Can I add something else because you mentioned parents? And I should say this too that another important part of this is that parents need to take care of their kids parents need to teach your kids. I don't have kids so I don't want to lecture parents on how to be parents but That is one of the main things here because see a lot of parents think that, oh well the teachers are experts and so are the administrators. So I can kind of defer and then if they've got really fancy technology, technology is the smartest stuff in the world right? Technology's infallible! So if I got experts with technology I can kinda bow out and let my kid do their own thing

54:27 And I don't have to go to the school board meetings and things like that. But what you said is, what can parents do on their own? Well, what parents can do on their own is instill – What are the values you want your kids to have? Do you have values that you want your kids to have but you don't want other people to replace them with? All right? Hope they're based on things like The Golden Rule, if you know what I mean. You see it in the everyday world. Go to the grocery store something how often do you see the kids misbehave and they're just hyper or something give me device give the device because it's like your get out of my way and go mess with this like your letting devices. And basically the government be the parent and can't do that if u cant do that everything i said doesn't matter

55:09 Amen man amen i really love these subjects because im kind of at that stage a life where me they're gonna have kids or not and probably i am it's a lot of these things come up in. I think about how extreme do i wanna go given the fact that i already have the job i have so this stuff is gonna be in their sphere of influence and i think you, homeschooling feels like too much pressure so i also think maybe i should send my kids to a public school because i want them to understand you have to deal with all different kinds of people and then i can offset that at home with various techniques on my own i mean i routinely said that i think.

55:50 the single most important thing i could teach my kids is to optimize their expression and language so that they can. Get through a lot of various situations by expressing themselves succinctly and accurately, this seems kind of similar to the trivia course broken up into grammar logic rhetoric And even in the book you say these are not subjects and the classical sense at all their methods of dealing with subjects and i think that's really wise i mean that's really the crux of what i was trying to get to it with those kind of thoughts is like i just want to teach my kids how to.

56:27 Navigate reality without necessarily taking them out of reality i don't wanna have the weird kid who doesn't know how to communicate with other people because they went to some ari fairy southern california school, you know that i mean those concerns there i also want them to have. Be forced to get certain vaccinations to attend public school i dont want them to have these technologies in the classroom that are doing active harm regardless of what i teach at home so these are real concerns but I've always kind of thought the best approach is one foot in one foot out because if you're all the way out then good luck and if you're all the way and your also screwed. And i guess,

57:11 What do you think of these things like homeschooling or montessori schools or these other types of schools that obviously the stuff we're talking about isn't bleeding into them necessarily but they also seem so far off the reservation that. When your kid gets through some of that they might have a hard time integrating into our general society there might feel like they were sold some, weird fringe ideologies that necessary don't necessarily match that well with the general population is it's a weird, danger balance but what are your thoughts on just other forms of schooling there are not public school but places we would send our kids.

57:54 Okay yeah i like what you said I really think it's a good philosophy one foot in one foot out another words like this is the world we live in right me like here one foot and one for all right now. You're posting on youtube and thing i mean are your kind of feeding the beast at one level but were also right where not talking against to be so it means kinda like that, the wife can't have kids but if we could You know, I think i would largely do what you're saying and I think I would keep them in public school. Could you do homeschooling? Yeah! I don't think there's anything wrong with that either if you do homeschooling please be sure that you don't apply for tax credits for tuition or anything like a voucher education savings accounts because as they mentioned that's largely going to mean that you have to follow the ESSA standards, the federal standards and if you do that largely what they're going to do is

58:44 make you use not just the methods and the outcomes but down the pipe it'll be that you have to use software, adapt learning software. You have also have some biofeedback stuff right so that you have to meet all those requirements and most homeschools by the way do in they are online and they do incorporate much of this stuff we're talking about okay? So at end of day I don't think there's a whole lot difference in terms of curriculum Right unless you go totally private or parochial that is very different cuz then you do get classical stuff will get formal logic you will get quadrillion tree will get history of philosophy ok all that stuff i don't know a lot about monastery school. No my wife has mentioned it before and just never ever came up in the research i dont know

59:35 What is status i think it's a magnet school but i don't know public private what its status is. My only concerns about that would be like the governance issues but i mean in terms of curriculum unless it's at parochial school, you're like religious school or catholic school something like that your large pretty much the same crackers ways where people can. there's a flexibility there but it largely the same i should say you know by the way you know there are also classical schools that are charter and public private. I have looked deeply knows what i would be suspected those two because i imagine that even if they can maintain

1:00:14 A lot of the traditional curriculum they still have to fit in some of the other. New methods and so you know with classical learning if i get a lot of social justice type your social studies mixed in with it, i think public school or home school is what i would personally do And it's easy to say that when you don't actually have to worry about what's gonna happen. I'm looking at totally academically abstract, in terms of policies and stuff. It's a different game when you got your little boy or girl and all the emotion attached to it. Yes well honestly as scary as it can be, as daunting as it can be to kind of weigh all this stuff

1:00:56 a part of me also thinks if you're just thinking about it you're already so far ahead of most the people in this society so even if your giving it concern. Don't let completely no destroy you don't want to depress you just realize that your audio out of the game, even considering these things and talking with your partner bottom cell I don't know that gives me a little bit of a silver lining but man. So i just want to add this real quick too because you know like you said the one foot in one foot out whichever option you take that's the important part which is, You are in charge! Your'e the parent so you say what'd you learn today and he could say my dad would tell myself like hey why didn't they tell you this or why didn't they tell you that? He didn't tell you about what we did with Native Americans did he every day I come home there was something that was like huh like I'm supposed to question what they taught

1:01:45 me. If you at least do that, like you said another part of the golden rule is we all have to say I am not one of these precision ed IQ people. People have said I'm smart and it's just being as honest with what I don't know and saying why don't I know it? And trying to figure out why I don't know it. We all pretty much have the same capacity to be honest with ourselves In that regard you are just as important is the professor with a phd and i'll tell you how many times can i go to read stuff synthesizing probably one of the people at the department philosophy. Is this right my understanding this right and it will check out or won't, what when i start to extrapolate out in other topics and make connections they don't know what im talking about only know what they've been taught in their specialization

1:02:35 That is the product of any institutional compulsory corporate whatever, any institutional education system. The opposite of that is this trivium method where you think on your own and ask your own questions You think something and then you think about what you thought Does that make sense? Is there a contradiction in what I thought? And you can weed that out! And you can instill that spirit into your child regardless which system you pick I love it yes i agree with you no stock in eugenics but even if there was some truth to eugenics there's always outliers is always people who. Buck the trends you know these a lot of times these are distributions on a grand scale so,

1:03:22 There's no value in teaching people from a base level that they're less valuable than other people. It's obviously better to teach everyone the same because this particular person might be one of those outliers, even if there was a basis and truth which obviously we're saying there isn't so regardless it's better to just ignore that stuff or at least actually not ignore it because that's how creeps then but you vigilantly against and opposed to some kind of stuff Awesome. Well, John this has been super enlightening we've had several guests talk about how the top layers of the elite are sort of weeding out the middle layers the management class that wants to implement the agendas and instead they're just going straight to technology to do that because it'll do it way more flawlessly and this seems to be as true in education as it is anywhere

1:04:17 And before we go anything else to tell the people about getting the book checking out the website or following up on some of this stuff following what you're gonna be working on next. Yes so your website is school world order dot info there's a link to the book trying days website and get it straight from there, yeah i can't listen as honor its own their time barnes nobles any other major distributors I made my first social media account which is a twitter so i did my first post on there. So if you want to follow me on that, however that works, you can do that I'll send out my articles. I'm still writing articles a lot of it's expanding on the book stuff that didn't make it in there one of the first things I published was some of this stuff about Jose Delgado who started The Brain Computer Interface is how he connected to Skull and Bones so if you go on my Twitter, that articles there maybe that will give you taste of you know if you want to buy the book right? And there are excerpts from the website oh! The website also should mention its got 2000 citations which are 100 pages of citation

1:05:15 if you're somebody that likes to check citations and hey where do you get that from while reading it, open up in the back part of the website resources section. Any can just follow along with the notes and most of them are online sources even journals most of my day other stuff that's pretty books might have to buy it or something but you can't pretty much link anything in that book any citations all footnoted if he wanted to check as you go so thats interactive network beautiful beautiful man Well, you are a true master of your domain. This is all very much appreciative I'm in awe! I'm lucky to get any credit for any of this at all because it's all you man But I guess like school I get credit for a lot of stuff. I probably shouldn't so It all makes sense Very cool well keep fighting the good fight and do take care out there Yeah thanks for having me on man. It's been pleasure real fun

1:06:08 And boom goes the dynamite dear people school world order hell of a book hell of a topic. John is a helluva guy i am definitely happy to have gotten this one out to you next, of course it's probably pretty obvious at this point but this is another interview that was recorded several weeks back when we were still in the old world But I didn't really feel the need to preempt the show to say that this time because it is a topic that's a little more connected anyway. In fact, John messaged me just the other day about how obviously we didn't talk about this coronavirus thing in the interview but so much of it is very relevant to this current technocratic lockdown and the big plan to connect your biometrics to a form of ID

1:06:58 And of course, get them while they're young is always in play. So this is a timely one and it's relevant It's just weird to think about the fact that when I recorded this... ...I thought that night I could still take my wife out to dinner! I did want to add though that John wrote a really great piece and I think I'm gonna link it to you in the show notes That adds a coronavirus context to everything we talked about today It's about two pages, but let me just get it started for you. He writes... "...the Department of Education's new proposed rules for federal regulations of distance education and innovation will effectively open the floodgates for online education corporations to put public brick-and-mortar schools out of business by streamlining adaptive learning and other artificial intelligence technologies

1:07:49 that replace human instructors with competency-based education software, which provide direct assessment through subscription based courseware that data mine students' cognitive behavioral algorithms to personalize digital lessons. very synergistic with what we talked about today and make sense right now that were scared to gather in a room together everything goes online. Every concern raised in today's show comes to fruition not much faster and it's also fitting that the same people are involved,

1:08:25 This is a pretty great one to me i love coming back to the education system we've had some awesome episodes on it but adding this technocracy context is exactly how to further these conversations and i even said in the episode that i'd send my kids to public school so they learn have to deal with all sorts of people But as we've navigated the few short weeks since recording, I have to say that my wife and i have changed our minds most likely. If it's going to be all iPads and metal detectors and vaccines, It's no longer worth it! And when I look into these Montessori or Waldorf schools even though I run the risk of raising a weirdo kid The vaccination rate at these schools is like 7% and they use no electronics in the classroom

1:09:15 So I think about this and the types of parents i would meet, and I'm a lot more comfortable that I'd be entering into a local network of families that are more likely to be like-minded and helpful in a crisis like the one we're having. I think a lot of us have realized lately that we love our friends and family but it's isolating to be around too many people who don't share our conspiratorial thoughts on something like this If we're entering a world where people shame each other for gathering together, or neighbors start calling the cops on little parties. Or we start getting harassed or even beaten for not wearing a face mask in public I think we all feel like we can't just overlook these differences that we have with the people we love when shit is getting as extreme as it's getting! I obviously don't even have kids yet and i'm not saying I would cut anyone out of my life... Not at all

1:10:15 But it's just hard to go on pretending that we can just avoid talking about conspiracy stuff in our friend groups anymore. Like we could when it was just some abstract philosophical difference, if that makes any sense? And I guess I'm just retracting what I said and maybe the second hour where I mentioned that... ...I tend to want to have one foot in and one foot out Well, that might not apply to this new reality where they need a pound of flesh for you to participate in their systems. It's getting too expensive for me and I'm trying not to speak in such absolute terms. I never want to be overly dramatic like this is gonna last forever and we're all screwed! I don't know anything more than you do but a lot of us feel like we've lived a life over hyped cable news bullshit

1:11:10 We've heard little conspiratorial fear-based sagas like Jade Helm, so our first reaction should be to be skeptical. But this got real a lot faster than we think any of us realized and so now we have to hold both ideas in our head is this just another hysteria fakeout situation or are they really making a play this time? But either way, John really killed it today. His book is great and he's a teacher so he's used to speaking at length but man I wish i had his energy level! Just not wound that way... And I'm also not surprised that he's big on martial arts A taekwondo black belt is nothing to sneeze at and not learning to fight or play guitar are probably my two biggest regrets in life So kudos to him

1:12:03 He also mentioned not loving social media, but he has created a Twitter account so that he can talk to people about the book and all that. Look him up under Daoist Professor it will be in the show notes as well I'm surprised that wasn't taken but hey! He got it If you like the first free hour of the show, the second hour was a serious deep dive into eugenics and man does he know alot about history and players who have tried to bring aspects back in shoehorn it into society at many different points on timeline. We also talked about that drive to tie genetic data to student ID and also digitizing healthcare databases to be merged with that student data

1:12:46 And we threw several other conspiratorial logs on the fire as well. You know the drill, TheHigherSideChats.com if you want to be a plus member I got a lot of archives of extra hours you've never heard If you like the interviews we do around here why not take the full dive? And with that I am gonna get out of here. I've done my part, your move Robert Barron philanthropist technocratic takeover tyrants and agents of the school world order agenda Your fucking move Have a drink and a smoke Listen to the cast We shine a shiny spotlight Put criminals on blast

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