John Klyczek | Ed Tech Privatization & Digitally Dehumanizing The Classroom

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00:54 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. I'm Greg Carlwood and these are The Hireside Chats Happy Dazer here again, Hireside Chatters from sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and ever since the state started marching kids to legally mandated public schools it's been a hotbed for behaviorists and psychologists to study and manipulate the minds of the youth away from the prying eyes of parents and guardians all under the guise of a tax funded public service

01:44 And everyone knows the elite class gets a completely different education, but nobody seems all that concerned with raising our standard as they let it slip as low as we'll let it go. But even the structure itself is a psychological mindfuck of Pavlovian training to The Sound Of Bells, A 15-year trap of authoritarian dominance, A daily half hour in the yard most familiar to prisoners and a wholesome nutrition of the lowest quality corporate food imaginable It's never been good, but in the digital age it is only getting worse. And you might remember todays returning guest John Klyzik sounding his alarm early last year when we talked about his book School World Order? The Technocratic Globalization of Corporatized Education

02:27 And before we ever knew the catalyst would be COVID, he wrote the book on all the red flags in education that signaled a move to no classrooms, computer-based learning, adaptive AI software programs, truly permanent blockchain based records and an intentional disregard and downplaying of human touch in teaching. The unquantifiable impact of the right human in the right classroom He warned us about these things in March of 2020, when we just started to hear the terms mask mandate vaccine passport social distancing and distance learning. And now he's back to break down how it all came to pass in the post-COVID world John is just the guy to do it as he has an MA in English and has taught college rhetoric and research argumentation for over 8 years. He also is director of writing & editing at Black Freighter Productions Books

03:21 He holds a black belt in classical taekwondo and he is a certified kickboxing instructor under the International Muay Thai Boxing Association. The man who saw the writing on the wall, Edgar Cayce of education, the Taoist professor himself John welcome back to The Higher Side! Hey Greg it's an honor to be back thanks so much Man such a pleasure and you deserve a serious pat on the back because you called it, you were one of the very few people talking about these things in twenty nineteen i had a couple conversations about ipads in the classroom and the gates foundations massive investment and software based education.

04:00 And I would always say to these guests, hey. I understand they want to go this direction but there would have to be one hell of a catalyst to stop kids from going to school in person with teachers and well... One hell of a catalyst we got! To break us in here let me just ask you if you could add a new chapter the book about the events at the last year-and-a-half and how kids and schools were affected what would you say about it? Oh, well you know I thought when I wrote the book that i was going to have maybe like 10 years to warn people as this stuff got slowly implemented and it would sound less and less crazy. And then people would actually listen to what I had to say about it if I had to add a new chapter... Actually I've even thought about maybe an e-book. I've written quite a few articles since. I would have to say that distance learning is pretty much here to stay

04:57 that and versions of hybrid learning, which we'll get into today. And the goal of that is to data mine the students through all the different types of softwares that I speculated about in the book. So today we'll take a look at some of the newer trends that are picking up last time. We talked a lot about charter schools and some of these devices today will talk about something called community schools, which have a relationship charter schools and then also look at the history of something called UNESCO study 11, and how basically all this stuff has been being set up since the early 80s. And I hate to say it because i'm a public educator and i'm active in my union-i'm actually a union officer but our teachers unions, at least the upper brass of these unions are not helping the situation they seem to be complicit in partnering with corporate ed tech

05:56 So, you know I guess the next chapter would be something that focuses on some of the new deregulations like 85 FR 18638 which deregulates distance learning. We look at how we're transitioning from the charter school model to the community school model and how this push towards this thing called The Fourth Industrial Revolution is getting its final nail in the coffin sort of hammered in through these EdTech partnerships that are being forced upon us because of social distancing with the help of teachers unions, sadly.

06:32 Well, that is a great introduction and you sent me a really thorough outline for this which I appreciate. And links to some of your recent bit shoot videos and recent articles and i know largely from yourself and Allison McDowell's work that the realm of education is a very important domain for the technocratic biosurveillance state's plans And if we're gonna get into this outline the first bullet point is about an article you wrote for new politics what is that article about so that one is about the dangers of edtech privatization through this new move. Towards this thing called community school so,

07:14 Previously I talked a lot about charter schools, which my book focuses on. And I touched on community schools in the book but only tangentially. I mainly focused on charter schools as the main instrument for public-private partnerships. So a charter school is a private educational corporation that is subsidized with tax dollars and they largely are geared towards workforce training and they don't have elected school boards. Those are one of the first instruments of privatization looking at how things are going now I really think that they were meant to be sort of a stepping stone towards the community school, and so the main difference between a community school in a charter school involves something called lifelong learning public private wraparound services okay? And so that means

08:05 your health care services, criminal justice at risk prevention crime prevention for students who are at risk and then it has a data mining component to track those. Okay so with the charter school you pretty much have a public private partnership but with the community schools you have the same thing except that there is one slight difference and that is that a community school can have an elected board. It doesn't have to though because they actually have things called community charter schools, so in a lot of ways especially under the new Cardona administration the secretary of Ed Cardona these are kind of being pushed as like the antidote to charter schools right? And so they're largely pitched as you can hear the communitarian rhetoric like it's more public-based

08:56 But in the Every Student Succeeds Act, in order to receive federal funding for what is known as a full-service community school you have to implement those wraparound services which include the health care and crime prevention. And then you have data track that and those have to be funneled through public private partnerships so they are another element of privatization although I would say there's more government involved in that public private partnership Right on, right on. Yes this relates to one of the videos you had sent me and in the description for that you talk about how

09:34 you document the history of community schooling and illustrate this history with several examples of privatized community schooling projects managed by multinational corporations including IBM and Monsanto, which is quite troubling. Monsanto has a huge incentive to get in front of people young and convince them that they're not a problem And IBM has a pretty sketchy history too in terms of managing individuals so Yeah, those are red flags for sure. But I guess you mentioned Cardona, Miguel Cardona what's important to know about him? So I think he was chosen largely because he doesn't have a lot of political baggage is one of the main reasons they picked him He is actually a teacher. He actually has taught although we moved pretty quickly into administration and he was the Commissioner of Education in Connecticut

10:30 Early on, before he was picked there were some moves to maybe get somebody like the president of the American Federation of Teachers Union Randy Weingarten in there or other high up union people like Lily Garcia. I think those people came with too much political baggage as much as they may have wanted them in there so what they did was they went with Cardona and Cardona... There's a few things that are on his agenda that he talks about Community schools is on there but two other buzzwords he likes to use have to do with equity and the other one with these alternative assessments. So basically, the equity has a lot to do with a lot of the CRT stuff racial justice social justice stuff The alternative assessments which tie into the equity stuff have to do with the fact that during COVID right everybody's learning was disrupted

11:26 Right we don't have the traditional systems and so there's a big call for teachers and administrators to roll back the traditional standardized testing that we would usually hold. to rank everybody. So in other words, how fair is it to hold students to these standardized tests if they've had this really crazy year of learning with all this experimental tech and all the chaos that involves? They want to get rid of the standardized test but there's therefore a push for alternative assessments and what these alternative assessments largely take the shape of is something called performance-based assessments

12:05 And the way they could easily implement this could just be by aggregating all of the learning analytics from the various platforms that students have been on, right? So you don't even have to take a test. Just aggregate all their different scores on all the different adaptive learning software and the Learning Management Services and things like that and then just aggregate that into a score that says how competent they are. And I should mention that these performance-based assessments do come out of the community schooling model, which was largely pushed by somebody by the name of Linda Darling Hammond. Linda Darling Hammond is the one who advised the Biden transition team to pick Cardona for the Secretary of Education. She was also an advisor to President Obama

12:51 When she was advising Obama, she was pushing something called a portfolio-based approach to quote school choice. School choice is the buzzword for public private partnerships in other words charter schools so she is favorable to both charter schools and community schools as sort of two sides at the same coin and she's a huge proponent of community schools And she comes out of that whole community school crowd I should mention that one of the institutions where those communities going institutions is called the coalition of essential schools and that was set up by somebody called Ted size or again.

13:27 In addition to the wraparound services and the data mining, there is also the performance-based assessments that are largely pushed through at tech. And we should just add one more thing which is that Linda Darling Hammond is the CEO of Learning Policy Institute at Stanford and that's funded by Hewlett Foundation which is not tax exempt arm of HP Computer Corporation. Wow, man. And you really know how this is all connected and who's responsible but for people who are listening who maybe have kids in school and are seeing some of this stuff obviously distance learning through the computer is not great there a lot of problems with it some people who are still stuck in the COVID fear bubble think its necessary but setting that aside

14:19 These things are always framed as stuff that is good for the children advancements and upgrades to education and learning how do we know that this is more like a trojan horse what would you say to people who maybe don't see why this is so negative well the first thing i would say is I recently spent 30 days at Charlotte Thompson is her beats house and she gave me access to all of her files it was 36 file cabinets full took me a hundred hours to go through it. She let me take it all home i've been building the database with it in uploading it literally take me a lifetime

14:58 But one of the things that I discovered by digging through all the stuff that she kept for at least 40 years, now it's 50 because some of it goes back to the 70s. Some of it goes back to the 60s but I don't think she was gathering it at that time. A lot of these buzzwords you see come up that seem like they're new and trendy have been around forever basically. At least for forty years okay? So none of this stuff is new this has been a long term agenda if you look at the key players involved we mentioned a couple of my bm's a big one microsoft is another when apple is another one these companies have long history of not exactly having people's interest in mind. I'm any other part of it did she get to see that this is more about corporate profit data mining values clarification social engineering is that

15:48 You can look at the way that they even promote the EdTech now and they always do it with a caveat. Yeah, you know there's been a lot of learning losses from distance learning but we still gotta do it because COVID is too dangerous to go back in person learning so basically admit that its an inferior product and then keep players involved are little bit nefarious and you know they've been driving this agenda single-mindedly for a long time. So I think those are all red flags that it's not for the benefit of the students. Right, right and it's very coincidental how much foresight they had before this random pandemic because so much planning and investment was made in these very technologies and it seems like it fits the mold of problem reaction solution

16:41 Yeah definitely you know you can even see some of the timelines that they had for the fourth industrial revolution which sometimes called information revolution. Is it big new brzezinski's between two ages because it's a technotronic era and pretty much all aim for this same moment time around twenty twenty so if your company in you got your twenty fifty year plan And you're hanging out at the trilateral commission and getting together to sort of coordinate things. It's probably not that hard to do, right? To make sure that once all that infrastructure is put in place, we can have an event that will necessitate its implementation.

17:25 Well said and another one of these key things people should understand is something called the good lad study obviously funded by a lot of the nefarious capstone cabal names and players we've heard before tell us about this good lads study. Okay so john goodlad was funded with money from the national institute education which was a branch at that u s department education no longer exists several Rockefeller philanthropies, the Carnegie Institute for the Advancement of Teaching and Learning and then the Kettering Foundation. And what The Good Lad Study did was it created four manuals this is in the late 70's some of them early 80's for propagating community schools these include A Place Called Schooling, Schooling For Global Age, Communities & Their Schools

18:24 and there's one called Arts in the Schools. Okay, and these are all used as basically manuals for teachers to follow protocols for implementing community schools. And I should mention that the Coalition of Essential Schools where Linda Darling-Hammond her role at the Coalition of Essential Schools CES that was set up by somebody named Ted Sizer okay? And Ted Sizer Basically is following the good lad study in fact he writes the forward to an updated edition of a place called school. Which is written by good lad so again the good lad study is basically the beginning of all the community based education stuff that they're pushing now so again if you know they push it as always this new

19:15 foil to charter schools, it's really not. It's about at least 40 years old maybe getting closer to 50 years old and maybe we should mention that from the time of the Good Lad study to when Ted Sizer sort of picks it up sets up the Coalition for Essential Schools all the way down to Darling Hammond and now Cardona there have been consistent funding from some of the same foundations, one of them being the Annenberg Foundation. So Ted Sizer gets $50 million during the Clinton administration to fund his community schools. He came up with this idea of small schools which was a concept that was picked up by Bill Ayers during the time when

19:59 That whole scandal with him and Obama, their little connection through the Annenberg Foundation. That was the connection it was Bill Ayers setting up small schools which are community schools around that same time you had the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Arne Duncan was involved in that, and later he becomes the Secretary of Education for Obama. Okay? And so from Clinton all the way to Obama and now into the Joe Biden administration which is basically an extension of the Obama administration right we have consistent funding from some of the same foundations, the same pedagogy, the same methodology, the same agenda. Another tangled web for sure!

20:43 And you mentioned that we were gonna talk about the unesco study eleven and this is the next thing on your bullet pointed outline what is so important about this study. So this is something that I found going through charlotte's archives and it basically shows that all of the edtech stuff the global infrastructure of it, It's been set up for the past four years. So, this is one of the first files I opened up actually and it was funny as I pulled it out of the manila envelope that it was in... ...I could see how it was collated right away before I even dug into it to just see how these different blocks worked together so these documents were given to Charlotte Iserby by somebody by the name of Lawrence P Grayson

21:36 He worked at the National Institute of Education while Charlotte was there. He was the U.S Department of Education's liaison with UNESCO for at least 10 years, and he was the main liaison with UNESCO Study 11. And so what he had in that file was... ...he had a package of the actual UNESCO Study 11 project which was a partnership between UNESCO and Western capitalist countries, and then also Eastern Bloc Socialist and Communist nations in a regional grouping. And so if you took a look at it, he had the individual white papers from all of the different countries that were involved in addition to the overview document. What it showed was that there was basically partnering the multinational Western corporations

22:34 with the soviet block state craft what i mean by that is that they were partnering with these multinational companies to set up the global markets for exchanging. Add tech software so you could basically ship it all way across all these borders but then there also looking into the socialist and communist statecraft in terms of how they centralize their education system. So it wanted to use the multinational companies to basically distribute the technologies, edtech products worldwide but then domestically in each nation it wanted to implement centralized modes of socialist or communist statecraft and there is a previous document before UNESCO study 11 which went with this collated file

23:23 And it had to do with the development of technology in Eastern Bloc Europe. And it literally, in there says that socialist countries are at an advantage to implement edtech because they have a centralized system so before they started study 11 which partnered with these companies, they were already saying that ultimately we want a centralized system to implement it. Okay? And then so the other things that were in that file were a bunch of academic journals and the academic journals included advertisements from the same companies at tech companies you have IBM Microsoft Apple there were in study 11 the journals also had white papers from study 11 republished and then

24:10 Through my own research looking at Charlotte's letters, I was able to uncover how Project Best which basic education skills through technology which was the document that she leaked and got fired for basically wanted to set up. public-private partnerships that would replace academics with workforce training through Skinner box computers that psychologically condition the students for workforce competence. And that was basically America's domestic version of the UNESCO Study 11 project, and I discovered that by looking at a series of internal memos that she had from the Department of Education so basically UNESCO study 11 was partnering with

24:54 Western capitalist countries, Eastern bloc communist statecraft. Regional partnerships in the United States with Project Best academic journals which were publicizing it and then there was also he had included in their law journals which we're looking into how can we restructure international laws to standardize that distribution of those technologies across borders? And this is all to set up the fourth industrial revolution and they called it in those law journals, the information revolution. Right right and to talk a little bit more about the actual tools they're using you mentioned Skinner box computers programmed for psychological conditioning

25:39 Tell us a little bit more about that how it actually applies to a kid using it or any of these technologies that they're currently implementing what is the real world experience of a child engaging with this technology so. The theory comes out of, Stimulus response psychology goes back to Wilhelm Vlint and then changes into behaviorism later, and then opera and conditioning finally with B.F Skinner The whole idea is you use rewards and punishments like animal training to elicit responses So instead of Fido's got a treat to get him to sit or roll over

26:20 you're going to use other rewards like maybe the gold star system at the school and then maybe punishments in something like detentions. That's the early mode of using Skinnerian conditioning in schools, so it's a reward and punishment system which basically targets the reflex system or nervous system to bypass higher order thinking right? In other words, you don't want the student having their own conceptual ideas about how they want to respond learning stimuli or workforce stimuli you just want them to have a reaction to it so, you take that mechanism and put it on the computer. The stimuli becomes whatever is the learning stimuli on the digital modules maybe its short answer matching question multiple choice okay your response is going to be

27:10 answer on the matching or the multiple choice and then based on how effectively you respond to the learning stimuli on the digital device, you're going to either be remediated to improve. Or if you're good enough at it right? You might be accelerated maybe to like I don't know maybe an advanced AP or honors course or something like that but this mechanism of tracking you into remediation Efficiency or lack thereof in response to the learning stimuli this is known as the personalized education also relates the performance based education that we talked about earlier. And so that's basically how it works now i mean,

27:51 I heard also in that question, like what is the student's experience? So maybe loaded in that question as like how effective is it and do they like it. You know they try to make some of these a little more interactive so like they'll have video games this called gamified learning involved and sometimes multimedia video and things like that. And so you know that's to I guess trigger the reward center more to make it more fun I suppose I haven't really looked at any of the simulation video games as of late, but i remember when i was a kid they had the educational games and i never uh... i never thought they were very fun so i don't know how good they are at triggering the reward system. I remember the Oregon Trail video game i used to just all i ever wanted to do is go hunting and shoot the bear i never wanted it to go across the trail anyways anyways but so do they enjoy it? I can't tell you that! And how effective is it?

28:48 This is anecdotal that is the easier you make something the more you remove the challenges. The last rewarding it actually is right and so I would think that that would actually impede the highest levels of achievement. It might get the student who's relatively apathetic to do more, but as far as pushing themselves to dig deeper I don't think that mechanism has that involved because it's a very passive system that's basically working at the subliminal level right so looking at the lower regions of the brain more the reptile part of the brain the limbic system and things like that it's not really triggering higher-order thinking

29:32 Mm-hmm. That's a great point about lowering the bar and making things easier to create the perception that kids are just coasting right on through these programs best and brightest But you know, they've been made to be easy You could think you're doing well and then not find out that you weren't doing that great until it's too late. We all know difficult and uncomfortable challenges make us better, but we are being conditioned to be soft and comfortable in many ways but this seems like another element of that But what's also scary to me is it sounds like you're saying that from an early age kids that rebel or don't thrive in this system will be marked as such.

30:17 And that stigma is going to follow them through the whole program potentially. Which would have been a nightmare for me, because I was trouble But even still it did feel like good grades were more closely associated with compliance rather than real intelligence Now that's gonna be true on steroids and kids can get a reputation That can be hard to shake but to digitize that and connect it to a profile That's even more set in stone Nobody should be assumed to be a certain way based on their behavior at 10 years old or 15 years old. This is really concerning to me, man and it starts to sound like the prison system Good luck getting back on the good track when you've been labeled a felon It's pretty sticky label and in that minority report way what you're describing sounds pretty similar to

31:09 pre-judging based on some previous mistakes and it just seems like a dangerous game to be playing with kids. Yeah, definitely once upon a time you know you might be tracked into the behavioral disorder group or the bad kids whatever label they want to give it and you can come to another teacher next year in a different class And that teacher might not know anything about that, right? And they might see you perform differently in that class. I mean, I was a bit of a troublemaker myself and I've been tracked into honors classes but also was tracked into remedial classes because I was causing problems in the honors classes. But I remembered that I did behave differently in different classes based on the teacher

32:03 And there were some teachers that just would not let me get away with that stuff and they would shut me down on day one, and I performed fine in there. Those teachers would be like well I don't have a problem with them why do you have a problem with them? So in other words that one teacher might hold you to whatever data that you exhibited early on in the class, but if it's not a permanent ledger at least have the chance of some other teacher might see differently might be able to work with you better and your not gonna be held this other standard. But right if its on a permanent ledger that follows you with your learning analytics especially on some of these blockchains stuff they want integrate before the next teacher ever sees

32:44 they're already gonna have a presupposition about you based on this data and then since all of the instruction goes through the module even if the teacher might intuitively see something else going out to student in a lot of ways there are locked into aggregating that data they have to incorporate it to their responses in the e-learning module. So it definitely is meant to track you into basically a caste system, I would say and you mentioned the whole criminal justice thing. Remember that's part of the wraparound services so it was Kamala Harris who was arresting parents for not bringing their kids to school on time and the justification for her as well

33:28 People who don't go to school tend to become criminals so basically you're contributing the crime by not putting your kids in school so we're just gonna get it but put you in jail first so take that concept. put it on this permanent ledger and basically say to the student, hey you're not learning so well we might need to put you in a crime prevention program. You know some new dare program or something like that because you know you have the potential to become a criminal down the line just because you don't do so well on your worksheets or your learning module Yeah well said and it seems like there's a Seinfeld episode for everything but it reminds me of an episode of Seinfeld where Elaine was at the doctors office and saw her file and

34:16 said that she was a difficult patient and then she got caught looking at it, and the doctor writes down something else. And then she switches doctors, and then that doctor reads her file and instantly changes the way he interacts with her. She just can't escape what is written in this file! It's quite funny but that's just pen-and-paper in manila folders that get transferred in a physical way put that on the block chain and you'll never escape the perception and all these people in the club will have this way of looking at you before they even get to you, and it's all predetermined based on how you acted when you were really young and they know that we all lash out.

35:01 aren't necessarily our best selves at 14, but that's going to follow through forever. And I think this is really super dangerous stuff and one of the other things on this outline that i thought was really interesting is you write about the teachers union selling out to big tech and that we have some evidence of this through CDC emails what can you tell us about that? So Americans for Public Trusts leaked some emails from the AFT and NEA to the CDC. And basically they were asking the CDC to tighten up its restrictions, so you know all this talk about follow science and the CDC are experts well if that's the case why are you telling them to reduce

35:50 the social distancing from six feet to three feet, right? At the time the CDC was saying you know what you can go back to in-person learning with a three foot social distancing which to me is silly because it either travels six feet or it doesn't. If you're going to go and half to three feet might as well just get rid of it entirely okay but three feet at least probably gives you enough space where you can probably fit all the kids in the desks at the same time. Six feet's gonna require you to use hybrid Okay, so hybrid learning or blended learning is a concept that comes out of the charter school industry again. One of the first proponents was The Knowledge Is Power Program otherwise known as KIPP. So what it is basically blended learning can be just where you're actually in the room all day but you're always on a computer and the teacher is basically a facilitator. Hybrid learning is more where you're doing that but half the class is actually at home doing the distance learning

36:47 and then half the classes doing the blended learning in the room, alternate days throughout the week. And so I looked at that and it's like well that makes sense to me because if you look at the history of both the AFT and NEA they have been in bed mainly with IBM but also with Microsoft and then obviously it's tax-exempt arm, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Going all the way back to the 1960s, the AFT has been connected to The Rockefeller Foundation for longer particularly through its founding member John Dewey and that's going back basically a hundred years so in other words both of these unions have a long track record of investing in this whole edtech system for this fourth industrial revolution

37:33 the way i saw it was that you know they basically want to perpetuate this system to push all the stuff they've been pushing and basically get a return on their investments so. Break down with some historical examples but that seems to be the case because I don't see any other reason why they would go against what the CDC recommends i thought we're all supposed to just blindly do at the cdc says Right, we're supposed to trust the medical experts not tell the medical experts what we want them to recommend. It's a little bit backwards in that regard and kind of along the lines of never being able to shake this record you have a bullet point here about charter schools and cradle-to-career education and that's really the crux here it's like do we have evidence or even just whispers that are suggesting

38:27 these records for young kids will actually result in what jobs there allowed to have or encouraged to have when they're finished with education. Okay so that would tie into something called the micro credentialing and then we had these digital badges which relate to this thing call pay for success which is every student succeeds at Allison mcdowell does a really good job with her research on that something i haven't done as much into she has but basically it works like this okay these micro credentials. You can earn these through schools but usually they're gonna be directly from the company and its gonna be like narrowly defined for specific jobs skills

39:13 And so you get that micro credential and then they put it on a digital badge, and then you can use this digital badge as like your workforce competency certificate. That can improve your chance at getting particular jobs especially industries where they ask for these types of micro-credentialed digital badges okay? So it's not necessarily that will force you into that but another way to say is If you want that job, you're going to need it. And then what that also does though is it opens up the doors for something called impact investing which again Alice McDowell does an excellent job with her research on that

39:50 And basically it works like this. So there's different ways you can invest for impact financing or social impact financing, sometimes it's sustainability finance and could be for gender equity could be to improve poverty okay so in the instance of especially a student who comes from an impoverished background you can funnel basically loans into this students career pathway based on whether or not they have these micro credentials or these digital badges and then that company can basically get subsidized through the paper success programs in the every student succeeds at. And so that further incentivizes both desire and need for this digital badgers which are going to determine very narrowly specific job skills of that is

40:40 One way that we can actually see or track how these career pathways through the cradle to career education works, which by the way that cradle to career stuff comes again out of the charter schooling industry. Which was set up by, or at least it was conceived of by president of the AFT Albert Shanker and he was one of the first people to conceive of it didn't really call it charter schools at first but Not too long ago there was an article by the AFT called Restoring Shanker's Vision for Charter Schools and it basically says, we're not going to say whether they're good or bad. Let's just talk about how to improve them. And in the meantime you had Randy Weingarten of the AFT when she was the president of the United Federation of Teachers Union she ran a UFC charter school so again they'll talk about their against corporatization privatization and they are all about public ed

41:31 But they're really more about public private partnerships for workforce training. Oh, so gross! It's kind of like Boy Scouts merit badges sponsored by Google Monsanto or Pfizer it's like you've been thoroughly brainwashed with our corporate onboarding already so you'll fit right in at our company because you got all the little badges already it's just so gross NEA actually has its own micro credentials that it offers for like teacher training. So I mean, they directly give you micro credentials and then IBM is a big one that does the micro credentials but yeah you know it's all about in this new world of obey authorities without asking questions those that's perfect right? You're gonna fit right in! Yeah it's really Orwellian and dark if you ask me but you know it is what it is that's why we expose these things

42:24 You also have here some stuff about current or recent AFT Rockefeller connections. Things like the Washington DC public TV partnership for English language learners, what's that about? That partnership is run by Sharon Percy Rockefeller who is the wife of Jay Rockefeller, which I think he's the fourth or the fifth. There are six of them now going all the way down. I think he is in the fourth. Six too many! That's noteworthy because telecommunications companies were precursors to edtech companies in terms of technologies for learning. So audiovisual

43:10 industry was one of the precursors to the EdTech microcomputer industry. And so that's actually revealed in the UNESCO study 11 as well, and you can kind of see it if you just look at stuff like how companies like AT&T which are telecommunications companies right there necessary to basically provide a bandwidth for all these microcomputing courseware programs. So that public TV partnership actually It kind of harkens back to also project best again so project best one of the main contractors. Because this is during a transitional period when public broadcast tv like sesame street and stuff like that was like the premiere of i guess what you would call it at the time audio visuals as they transitioned to the micro computers on the head pilots for basically early zoom,

44:05 through something called the Cyclops Project out in the UK. I've got diagrams for it, you can see them on my database It's got like a cart with a TV and the TV is hooked up to a telephone, the telephones hooked up to a light pen. And it's got speakers that you can hear from a microphone you talk to so it was like hooking up TVs and radios through telephones to do this proto-internet thing. In the meantime one of the partners for Project BEST was the Maryland Instructional Television Corporation It was a public broadcasting corporation, but that's again not DC but it's Maryland. Same state and so I think that's an interesting connection in terms of models of edtech partnerships with the AFT. So that WETV partnership is with the American Federation of Teachers

44:57 Other Rockefeller connections current with the AFT include a partnership with somebody by the name of Marla Uccelli-Kashiop, I believe is how you pronounce that. But she was the Associate Director of Working Communities at The Rockefeller Foundation and then actually Rockefeller stuff in the AFT goes all way back to again John Dewey. John Dewey was one of the founding members When he became the chair of philosophy at the University of Chicago, he was funded by John D. Rockefeller so lots of Rockefeller money there over a period of several years that I think it amounted to $38 million dollars at the time which is moving forward with inflation today

45:40 And with the help of that funding, he basically came up with this thing called functionalist psychology which was an adaptation to the stimulus response method because Dewey came straight out of the stimulus response tradition. He studied under G Stanley Hall. G Stanley Hall was the first American to get a PhD from Wilhelm Wundt and Wilhelm Wundt was the man in Leipzig University who came up with the world's first psychological laboratory so do you use in that tradition he passes it down to john b watts and john b watson comes up with behaviors education he passes that down to el ford i can eventually be a scanner creates the modern teaching machine which becomes the adaptive learning software that we have in schools today

46:24 Also, the work of E.L Thorndike that was at Columbia University and that would have been out of Lincoln School. The Lincoln School was basically set up built on Dewey's functionalist ed psych because Dewey moved over there and became a professor at Columbia University as well. And then the Lincoln School was funded by the Rockefeller General Education Board okay? Then in the meantime right moving forward you have the president of the aft albert shanker he was a member of the trial at room commission i have a funny story about how i learned that i learned it from one charlotte's friends and hers or who i was in communication with by email. She told me that she one day confronted him as to why the aft only supports left wing,

47:13 politicians and she said he immediately got really nervous and started shaking her hand, saying oh but I'm a member of the Trilateral Commission. Which i thought was pretty odd because right again you're supposed to be like a representative of the public union which are hanging out with these corporate globalists at these non-governmental roundtables so I looked it up in his speech and at this meeting of the American Trilateral Commission he says he met quote with bankers and head of IBM And then you know the trilateral commission remember is set up by David Rockefeller and a big new Brzezinski. I should mention that Brzezinski, who not just did he help set up the trilateral commission but in his between two ages America's role in technotronic era he was basically predicting the fourth industrial revolution

48:02 His prediction is that in the future, quote home-based education through TV consoles and other electronic devices will be the future of schooling. Okay? And then he also talks about how the quote involvement of business companies in education may lead to a more rapid adaptation of the latest techniques and scientific knowledge to the educational process. So what does he talking about? He's talking about basically EdTech computers with distance learning managed by businesses, that's your public private charter school industry. Through scientific management that's your behaviorist Ed Sykes so all the stuff we're talking about Brzezinski with his buddy Rockefeller at the Trilateral Commission they were all for it and they were hanging out with AFT president Albert Shanker So you just push that forward to people like Marla Uccelli-Kashyap

48:53 in this partnership with Sherrod Percy Rockefeller. And then you can see how it links up with the Rockefeller Foundation right now has something called The Great Transition! Sounds very original, right? Maybe a little something like the Great Reset which we all know is the World Economic Forum's whole push to ram through this fourth industrial revolution. And so the Rockefeller Foundation's great transition basically it's got all that stuff in it public-private partnerships distance learning he wants quote a common platform for testing planning and peer-to-peer learning So there's your performance based assessments and then you also want digital IDs

49:28 That's your blockchain stuff that's gonna follow you around and get tracked through the internet of things in a social credit system. Well, it's a big club and we ain't in it! Now, It's not in your outline but I hope we could save a little time at the end here to talk about solutions because it's great to break down all these problems and reasons to avoid public schools for our kids But let's say we've decided that, we've heard you and we don't want to put our kids through these systems. What a lot of us don't know about are the best available options that will set our kids up for success? What do you consider to be the best alternative or homeschooling resources that people should be looking at?"

50:13 You know i originally wrote the book and public educator as a defensive public education but i've been spending my wheels hard trying to get any traction like push back against this whole edtech takeover so I still think all of the five-point plan, I laid out in the book and people can listen to the other show I did with you to get those. Those are still avenues, still strategies that we could apply it to potentially reform public schools but I think that in the meantime pressure needs to be put on the public schools by opting out and doing some more organic homeschooling type stuff. That means right? You're not

50:52 signing up for a public private charter school that's using the same curriculum and the same ed tech products, that means you're going to have to come up with a homeschool situation. They have them I want to say Logos School in Ohio if i'm correct is an example but there are home school options that you have where you don't have to be plugged into a computer If you're a parent and you feel like, well I don't feel like I can homeschool my kids because maybe my educational background is not very extensive. You know? I don't think that's necessary. It can be a learning experience for both of you

51:32 And you know there's other models like I have a friend his name is Andy Lipson he's teacher in San Francisco and he recently. He's at public school it doesn't want to do the lockdown stuff so he on the weekends has been working with a group of mothers call me today last month race, works with their kids and parents they all come together at the park and they learn together You know and even talk about it just do like basic educational lessons but they talk about the fourth industrial revolution you talk about. Vaccine passports to talk about the great resetting strategies for that so maybe that's a model i would like to see you know gain some traction where people just start to learn on the park organically on their own now there is this weird dichotomy were

52:17 people wanna have a certificate or be accredited at the end of their education in order to move into higher learning or job etc obviously you don't get that from some other things i'm suggesting right so going and learning organically at the parker doing some lessons i guess with an online tutor who doesn't have accredited school did he she is tied to But learning itself should be done for its own sake and it should be organic. So I think that if you can put pressure on the public schools by taking your business elsewhere, either at the home school or doing some one-room school house system at the park...I think these are ways to put pressure on the schools but otherwise there's that five point program that you could take a look in my book and on the previous show that I did with Greg. Yeah yeah

53:07 Not bad advice mean we gotta let the free market work right because they'll pile on as much of this as we allow them to but if we react and there's no kids in the school than they will acquiesce and say okay fine cove it. Shots are not required, but if we just don't react and we just put up with this shit They'll keep piling on more and more And another silver lining it's great that you mentioned. It is this op has Allowed people an opportunity to find the others in That same way in the way of like here's a bunch of kids studying in the park maybe I should meet these parents and get my kid engaged with these because

53:49 it is true fearlessness in a culture of fear and if you build those relationships and that network now how are they ever gonna break it up a lot of us are on our own right now we just been navigating as best we can but this forced a lot of our relationships to change and in that opportunity We get stronger bonds that can't be broken by anything cuz if you are finding people that you can resist this coronavirus chaos with i don't know how they'll ever break apart i don't know how the other.

54:27 brainwash you or get you into a fear campaign because this is their grand finale, if you ask me. I mean this is the biggest fear campaign of our lifetimes and I think it prepares you better for navigating the next one with people who are also on that same page so it is a beautiful opportunity. I hope people are taking it Yeah and i should add that they're not mutually exclusive like you know you can take your kids out of the school you could homeschool in a program that doesn't plug them into a buncha data mining edtech then on the weekend you could go and meet with these other families and do this organic thing in the park

55:06 And then in the meantime, since you're paying public tax dollars to support these public schools. You could still go to the public school boards and tell them no we don't like this that's why I took my kids out and hey maybe if you change stuff maybe i'll bring them back so all three of these things should happen at the same time to apply pressure from multiple angles and like you said vote with your dollars and don't participate in stuff you don't want to participate on yeah just one more thing i should add is as me and my friend Andy were talking about You can't plan this all the way out. You can't be like, well we'll do this and this and then the outcome will be that. All you can do is know that this situation right now... We can't just keep capitulating to it. We have to do something different And then most immediate thing is get out of it. Then let that organically develop into other relationships that build momentum and cause schools to react what we're doing as opposed to constantly responding to what they are changing from one day to next

56:03 Yes, cheers to that. And also before we go we gotta plug the stuff you got going on You've got this bit shoot channel now that could definitely use a bump in the algorithm I think you are one of the leaders in this space and should be and should have a view count that is appropriate for being a leader in this space. People should subscribe to you there if they are bit shooters, but you're also working with Whitney Webb's website and a few others tell the people where they can find your work around the interwebs Okay, yeah. So I wrote that Study 11 piece for Unlimited Hangout and was able to connect with Whitney Webb and that's been really cool she is awesome! And I got another article... We just talked about it actually its pending the one on the unions so I'll probably be writing almost exclusively for unlimited hang out if not exclusively so you can check my stuff out there I'm trying to do every month its hard to keep up with teaching everything

57:05 In the meantime, there's a YouTube there but go to Bitchute. By the time I get any kind of traction they'll just delete me from YouTube so go to Bitchute and I'll try to get on other platforms as well. The more support I can get, the more I can produce. And I can teach a few less classes. As I mentioned, I'm an adjunct so that means I have to actually double the amount of classes that tenure track people do because they don't have other what they call releases for administrative work and stuff so I have to take six classes instead three. So if y'all can help me by supporting Unlimited hangout, but also I've got a database that i've been putting together. It's a web brain database So it's got all these interlocking nodes Uh that connect like all the stuff i've talked about it puts it in like a 3d map

57:51 It's got links to various web pages and articles related to those nodes. And then it also I've uploaded into those nodes all these rare documents that Charlotte gave me, and i'll be updating it every week. I got a few subscribers there like said its $5 a month is like 20 cents a day really cheap if I can get more people doing that I could teach couple less classes I can produce more videos So those are the three main areas a limited hangout my bitch you and then my web brain database which is that my website school world order. Info and then there of course there's my book which is linked to that on my website as well trying to books right on well very cool the book in website,

58:35 are obviously both school world order and kudos on that excellent branding there. I hope this interview throws some fuel on your fire because you're quite dedicated and hardworking, and I would just love to see it fully appreciated. Thanks for taking the time and for doing what you do keep fighting the good fight and take care. Oh man it's been a pleasure in honor Greg thanks so much for having me back You got it The power of Christ compels you people. John Klyzak breaking it all down, connecting the dots at a very deep level

59:12 It's no surprise he is working with Whitney Webb and Unlimited Hangout or Allison McDowell because they are all top tier researchers. And they come to these interviews with such an impressive grasp on this revolving door of companies, organizations, various industry leaders and project financiers I'm sure it can sound like a information avalanche sometimes But we are so lucky to have people like this watching the Watchers, you know? Sometimes I think the resistance movement is reliant on a scary low number of people. Not only do i have a lot of respect for John's work but also just anyone who reaches the levels that he has in martial arts it's not easy

1:00:03 It's a real nice life asset to have as long as you can avoid the kind of Cameron Poe Con Air situation. You gotta register your hands as lethal weapons and all that! But, for his work I just wanted to highlight how goddamn accurate he was right before COVID hit That first interview is great and this book is awesome but the timing was super unfortunate because we recorded it when I thought it was still pretty easy to write COVID off as a news cycle scare, another bird flu or something where it's just a news story for a couple of weeks and then it's over. And in between recording with John and releasing it to you guys that is when we went into lockdowns and all that shit so for me...I felt weird putting out an episode that didn't address that stuff at all when it was clearly at the forefront of people's minds

1:01:02 The material is very related but the predictive nature of what he was saying in the book and that first interview doesn't hit as hard when. We're seeing it enacted and we're all under a lockdown it's like well duh anyone could predict computer based learning now, But don't forget how long it takes to write a book, so he was on these things well in advance. And when I see John doing presentations on his YouTube or bit shoot with under 100 followers on his channel... something is wrong! One of my favorite parts of what i do one of the perks of this job

1:01:42 that does actually keep it fresh and motivates me is when I can really make a difference in the attention and appreciation that one of our guests gets. Obviously, sometimes I have someone on like David Icke or Andy Wakefield where THC is just one of many interviews and we're probably actually on the receiving end of more new exposure than they are but other times THC is a nice bump from what a person might be used to It's all relative, but in those times where I feel like it does make a difference. It feels good when i can feel like putting a show out with them is contributing to that work paying off and this kind of research can be tiring and isolating you gotta be really persistent and dedicated And when you feel like there's nobody to talk to? And you're looking around and all the sheeple just don't know what you're talking about or see why it's important I mean think about how it feels

1:02:43 to just be the kind of person who listens to a show like this and shares these general opinions and philosophies, but you can put it down and take a break anytime you want. And by contrast scale that up to being someone who puts in the hours to know a subject like this inside out writes the premier book on the subject and still feels that odd man-out feeling from time to time It takes some real perseverance and I respect it a lot. That's all i'm saying in Hireside News, I have been inspired by Pam Popper and No Agenda actually to try and have a real world meetup here in San Diego. I want to meet more locals who are ideologically aligned my wife would probably like to meet some cool moms and I want to get a better grip on which businesses and business owners are on our page

1:03:39 And I have a decent opportunity in what i do, and should use it. It might not be there forever you know? So I have a place in the gas lamp picked out...it should be great for a casual hang! I'm going to do it sometime in September and I think the best thing is just put out an announcement on the podcast feed rather than tacking onto one of the next few episodes Maybe I can rope in Alex from Skeptico or Sophia Smallstorm to hang out with us, but I don't know. But I don't want to do a convention or presentation or anything like that but I do want to have a nice cathartic hang with like-minded people and i've even thought about building out part of the website in the future where people can host and coordinate their own THC meetups across the country whether I'm there not because I'm sure a lot of people feel like I do

1:04:35 We do have the forums, which you know there is a thread for organizing meetups but it's not getting the kind of volume that an announcement on the air is going to get. Alright and another thing so I wasn't gonna plead for anything extra just because we're having a baby I certainly would appreciate more plus signups as always, but i'm not one to ask for anything more than that at this point. But I have gotten a fair amount of emails and messages about wanting to contribute a little more or asking about a registry and honestly...I think a registry is a bit too personal? People have said hey man! I wanted to throw you a little extra cash as a congratulations and I can't find a convenient way to do it

1:05:21 And that's true, there isn't one because I don't typically ask for more than a plus subscription. But I guess I would just say that if you're one of those super kind and generous people that would want to throw me a few extra bucks as i'm stepping into this new chapter of life You could use PayPal to send me anything by using my email thehiresideschats at gmail dot com Or, I'm also on Venmo as Greg-Carlwood. There should be only one and the profile image is of my upside down dog if you want to be really really sure And i feel kind of icky right now... I see so many hey! I'm getting married buy me a shot here's my cash app window writings now and I just think it's kinda a tacky trend

1:06:12 But I do have this network of listeners and a show committed to sponsorship and ad-free listener supported income. Though it's not like people ever really get a baby bonus at their jobs, but they certainly should! So for those people who have asked the Hireside Chats at gmail dot com through PayPal or Greg dash Carlwood on Venmo And of course you could send anything to my P.O box or crypto addresses which are both in the show notes But ultimately, really all I want is for more free listeners to opt into hearing the full show because it helps our guests as well. It's less than a hundred bucks for a full year and the complete archives you get everything i've ever done in the Plus Show RSS feed that's the support I prefer because it's on merit and it's not just me asking you for something You're deciding to purchase a service you like

1:07:10 And even though all the books on subscription-based businesses say that if you have 3 to 5% of your free audience opting into the premium service, that's about as good as it gets. I refuse to believe that! I know every free listener would enjoy a second hour of the show and i should be able to get them just on the quality of the show itself Maybe I'm naive, but in today's episode with John the extra hour is full of good stuff. Well not good stuff but bad stuff that it's good to know about The formation of vaccine passport partnerships in the schools and what's going on right now and who's involved The history of behaviorists in education tech and R&D

1:07:55 eugenics in education and American history, globalism and test communities for new education programs the Watson AI program and school authorities and the call for mandatory COVID vaccinations. For good measure John definitely deserves a solid attaboy for all he does I know i'm laying it on thick but is that part of the thing? This episode pairs really nicely with the last time Jon was on. The whole thing about corporate sponsored micro-credentials was pretty messed up, on top of everything else I do hope Jon does put together some resources or becomes a resource on the solutions side of all this...I would guess that's in the cards but encourage him to do so if you agree with me and i guess that's it! I'm getting out of here

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